That’s why they’re the champs

Tough to beat them with 18 shots.

The Canadiens wasted a dominant first period.


  1. SeriousFan09 says:

    Darche is not an NHL forward, he was a nice little feel-good story through the injury-plagued season but the playoffs have proven he can’t handle this level of hockey. He just doesn’t have it in him despite all that valuable heart.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  2. twocents says:

    Hey Chris, I responded again way back in that dead thread. It happens to to be pertinent to this conversation. Check it out.

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    He’ll need more than that, Cammalleri just had an MCL sprain and AK didn’t have a ligament tear, ACL tears require surgery and several months of recovery.

    Markov can command 7 million in his next contract year in free agency, the team would be fortunate to sign him to 6 per year on a 5 year term I’d say. Regardless of some injury troubles, the one that really sidelined him was a freak accident and won’t repeat thanks to the new kevlar hockey socks he wears. He’s still a Top 10 NHL defencemen and teams will give up a lot to get them including outspending each other in the cap.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  4. Will Longlade says:

    They will be packaged with a goalie w/a ton of upside and sent to the Oil for their pick and Cogs.

  5. CBrady12 says:

    Why does everyone want to see a kid play who doesnt try and really doesn’t care???? Not playing really doesnt bother him…hes collecting his cheques. I am less perplexed about JM not using him than why everyone seems to think there is an upside to playing this kid. He scored 7 goals this season in 60 games this season. Darche scored 5 in 30 games…. I dunno, I guess I would just rather see a guy who gonna go to war and do whatever it takes to win than some kid with some skills but no heart and no work ethic. 

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    Do you have a lot of close personal chats with the Montreal Canadiens? If we can’t afford passengers, WHY is Darche playing under a minute a game? Because he’s not an NHL forward and having him on the bench is a farce, on for under a minute, only one of 5 Canadiens to go – on Sunday afternoon.

    If Sergei was that much of a problem, he would’ve been kicked in the summer or this season, the way Gainey dealt Grabovski because he was a complete ***.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  7. TripleX says:

    The point was that the coach gave Kessel the opportunity to redeem himself.  SK has never been given a decent chance to prove his worth.  When he has played well there is NO reward and when he makes a mistake there is NO chance given for redemption.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  8. Ian Cobb says:

    The 2 K boys will be a package deal for one top 6 forward or a top D. We may have to sweeten the pot if we can find a club to take them. But they are done here me thinks.

  9. likehoy says:

    if that’s true, he’ll require surgery and will be out for 6 weeks like AK and cammy.

    next year is markov’s contract year, he’d be 32. I wouldn’t sign him to more than 4 million per year given 3 serious injuries in 1 year. his legs will be gone by the age of 35 (just like alex kovalev). markov could still provide a stabilizing force on defense with a good break out pass, and can still control the PP, but we won’t see many rushes up the ice from him anymore.

    i think ideally we’d have to sign markov to a 7-8 year deal, cap hit of around 3 million. something like

    6-6-5-4-3-2-1-1 (cap hit at 3.5 million)

    he’s become a target, and it’s frustrating to watch people always gunning to take him out.

    - What if Jaro Halak’s hand was indeed shaking? What if you took the CHOKE out of Ovechkin? — History Will Be Made

  10. Chris says:

    Oh, believe me…I understand fully well what you are trying to convey.

    I could show you lots of plays where he did make an effort.  What’s the point?  Most people in here have formed their opinions, one way or another.  I’m not really all that interested in arguing it, to be honest.

    I despise Scott Gomez and feel that he has been not having a great playoff, despite his point total.  He’s had a couple of good games, a couple of crap games, and a few that were thoroughly mediocre.

    I’ve found that Tomas Plekanec has largely been invisible in Games 1 and 2 of the Pittsburgh series, creating very few chances and losing faceoffs at a prodigious rate.

    That is hockey…guys go hot and cold.

    Sergei is definitely cold.  But he’s got a coach that detests him breathing down his neck, so I give him the benefit of the doubt a little because that is an awfully deep hole to climb out of:  one mistake and it is time to get chained to the bench again.

    It is a double standard that exists in every rink in North America.  Sergei is Martin’s whipping boy, especially now that Latendresse is gone.  A significant portion of the fan base is now piling on a struggling player that clearly has NHL talent, and that usually doesn’t stop until the whipping boy is run out of town.  But instead of patting themselves on the back for a job well done (Yahoo!  I helped run one of our few NHL-calibre forward prospects out of town!), they will just set their sights on the next player.

    I’ll but my money down on Benoit Pouliot being the next target in 2010-11, unless AK46 has miraculously not been traded yet.

  11. HardHabits says:

    As Chuck noted, maybe you should change it and lift the hex on poor SK.

  12. GrimJim says:

    You are really going to get on Sergei for passing/shooting the puck between his legs during what was likely pre or post practice?

    I heard a great story once about this third-string US college basketball player. At a shoot-around before one of the team’s practices he was joking around taking shoots from halfcourt and the asistant coach yelled at him saying he should be taking shoots from where he normally plays in a game. So the kid looks at the coach, walks over to the bench, sits down and starts shooting baskets from there.

    Maybe SK should take a stick and puck to the press box :-)

  13. likehoy says:

    halak off the wall? good one! haha

    you know who could use some averse effects of ritalin, Andrei Kostitsyn.

    - What if Jaro Halak’s hand was indeed shaking? What if you took the CHOKE out of Ovechkin? — History Will Be Made

  14. Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    Team 990 saying Markov has torn ACL.

  15. habs4ever2894 says:


  16. GrimJim says:

    Wait a minute, you point to Kessel as an example of benching a player to motivate him and yet you’re saying this isn’t a viable option for motivating SK? Kessel is a more skilled player than SK, why is it okay to bench Kessel but not SK?

  17. CBrady12 says:

    teammates dont like him, coach doesnt like him…..why?? cause he doesnt care and doesnt try! they say it themselves… this team cannot afford passengers and even though he has SOME skill, Darche plays with more heart and more effort….he will do ANYTHING to keep a goal going in while hes on the ice. Sergei ??? probably not

  18. CBrady12 says:

    Im not saying thats the only reason hes out. Its one example of many plays where he produces no effort plain and simple. Its an EXAMPLE used to make a point my god Im not stupid enough to think that its the ONLY reason hes not playing. why do you not understand this?


  19. avatar_58 says:

    Halak is too cool for drugs man

  20. avatar_58 says:

    That’s what I get from this

  21. habs4ever2894 says:

    But lets say Halak was off the wall regularly and has the Ritalin prescribed it would no doubt help his ability to perform on the ice.

  22. likehoy says:

    actually if you take ritalin without having it prescribed, it can have an averse effect to what you want.

    had some friends take it in hopes of concentrating better to study and they became off the wall.

    - What if Jaro Halak’s hand was indeed shaking? What if you took the CHOKE out of Ovechkin? — History Will Be Made

  23. SeriousFan09 says:

    Darche out to play another 57 seconds. JM just outright refuses to play SK doesn’t he? Sad.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  24. CBrady12 says:

    was one pass made to the point??   uhhh the point man he should be covering pinched in and kept the puck in the habs zone and sergei just let him skate right by….buddy guys who know ALOT more about hockey than you made that his last shift so no matter how much blabbering you do about coverage, ur still wrong

  25. Mark C says:

    The margin of error is ever so slim in the playoffs, but that is one reason to add him to the line-up. Play the brothers together with Metro, give them a few selected shifts early (o-zone or neutral zone face-offs, when Pitt has one of their bottom two lines out) and see if they get on the same page. If not, bench them, like what happened to the 4th line on Sunday. There is a lot of upside in doing this, with only minimal downside.  

  26. B says:

    Habs have 4, Pouliot, Lapierre, Bergeron and Darche
    Pens have 4, Dupuis, Letang, Talbot and Fleury

  27. 100HABS says:

    Agree – put the Kbros together with any forward, I don’t care. Except Gomer, he stays with Gi. You could put Camy with Gomer and the 2 bros with Pleks for a few shifts – could be interesting. That kind of kick in the ass may be just what they need. And Pouly did not look out of place on the 3rd line. This is better than Moen as a top-six IMO.

  28. Chris says:

    Unfortunately, Martin does not have a high trust level for young players at the best of times.

    His trust level for Sergei Kostitsyn is non-existent.  Don’t see this one getting resolved, especially with Sergei being an RFA this summer.  I would be shocked if his agent did not beg the Habs to trade his client.

  29. habs4ever2894 says:

    Now that i think about it it’s probably banned….

  30. 100HABS says:

    Agree 100% – whenever it’s an important game, I always try to be live at least at the end of the 3rd or through OT. It’s just not the same when you’re trying to send positive vibes, yelling “Get that puck in cammyyyy!” if it’s not live.

    That said, I’ve got to put the daughter to bed and being able to do that and not miss a minute is a whole lot better than seeing it live but missing 15 minutes of gametime. I catch up by skipping all the blah blah in the intermission. That option is another plus!

  31. CBrady12 says:

    you still arent getting it. 


    How does a rookie learn to overcome his mistakes and make up for them if they get benched after they make the one? 

    First of all, hes not a rookie. Second, he would get a chance if he was trying. Standing still on the ice while you get skate circles around is not trying. 

    The key is effort. Again, effort. The kid shows no effort on the ice most of the time. 

    Ill give you an analogy cause you dont seem to understand. 

    If you are a new guy at work and ur job is to monitor a server to make sure it doesnt go down. Then one day it goes down, but instead of monitoring it, you were on HIO. Well, ur boss wouldnt be too happy even though ur new because you werent putting any effort into your job. So even though ur new and made a mistake, ur gonna get in trouble because you werent trying to do your job

  32. Chris says:

    What’s more, I could show a video compilation of a shift or two for every Habs player where they quite simply looked lost on the ice.  One need only look threw the video footage of Games 2-4 in the Washington series…NOBODY was moving in the defensive zone.

    This is a mountain being made out of a mole hill.  Goals in the NHL often result from broken coverage, tired defenders and mistakes.  You can try to minimize the mistakes, but they happen.  Could Sergei have looked more active while doing his job of guarding the point?  Sure.

    Should he have been exiled for that play?  No. 

  33. rwolowid says:

    HABFAN in leafland

    Re Cooke on Subban

    What is really suspicious is first Evander Kane then Subban

  34. Hayward4Price says:

    You’d be more accurate by saying SK was having a cup of tea vs. covering the point-man to a T.

  35. FormalWare says:

    No; for the Habs–and their fans–it is definitely “sweat”. They have one victory in their last 7 home playoff games!

    Still–can’t wait to sweat this one out! Go, Habs, Go!

  36. habs4ever2894 says:

    Serious Question: are Goalies allowed to take ritalin if prescribed?

    I ask this question because from what i hear Ritalin can make you have focus and constant concentration at what you are doing. Is it possible that an NHL goaltender who takes Ritalin before a game has an advantage? 

  37. CBrady12 says:

    good point

  38. Habscore says:

    Hey! Where are all the supermarket (METRO, IGA, SUPER C, etc) specials on the chicken wings boxes for 6.99$ like two years ago when we made the playoffs ???

    – YES HABS CAN!! –

  39. Go Habs Go Theme Song Guy says:
  40. VancouverHab says:

    Agreed: some people here talk like JM is really an idiot (not just ‘a guy who knows a billion more than amateur-fan knows but is doing things I don’t understand or like so I’ll say a bad thing about him.”)

    JM is not being “petulant” or “childish” in benching SK. SK is a flake, and repeatedly makes massive errors at the NHL level and (we can reasonably assume) has not shown off ice a desire to intensify his mental committment.

    JM want to win more than we want his Habs to win. If he thought SK would help, SK would be playing.

    I’m a minor nobody youth coach: but even I’ve had players who had high skill but absolute lack of desire during competitive games, and I’d be happier if they would just not play at all (youth teams the kids all play…)

  41. Rudy says:

    Lets hope for non US Anthem booking.

  42. SeriousFan09 says:

    Penguins have depth to play with right now and Alexei Ponikarovsky is looking like a total bust for the Penguins and has been about as useful for the Pens in their playoffs as SK has for our side so it’s entirely possible.

    Veterans may have earned the right to make mistakes, but how does a rookie learn to overcome his mistakes and make up for them if they get benched after they make the one? It destroys confidence knowing that a singular mistake will end their game because they will make mistakes as they are human and will err at times. IF anything, the veterans shouldn’t be allowed to get away with mistakes since they’ve done something 10,000 times and should know not to make a ‘rookie mistake’ as it were.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  43. ths says:

    Put the Tits sisters on the fourth line between a healthy centre no sense having a fourth line on the bench all night

    Cmon JM ! Live a little ! Take a walk on the wild side.

    Where all the Russian girls go :


    Sergei lives out on Nuns Island

    In the training room he is everybody’s darling……….


    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

  44. Ian Cobb says:

    Can’t win without good communication.

  45. Ian Cobb says:

    Maybe so spats.

  46. Habscore says:

    Haha! I love this pic!! I saw it in 2 different newspapers. I was all-smiles and giggly in front of my passengers. lol

    – YES HABS CAN!! –

  47. likehoy says:

    watch the video again, the pointman never pinches in.

    - What if Jaro Halak’s hand was indeed shaking? What if you took the CHOKE out of Ovechkin? — History Will Be Made

  48. DLHABSNUT65 says:


            Just incase you haven’t seen the latest in the history will be made clips!!! GO HABS GO!!!


  49. Ian Cobb says:

    Metro is the smallest power forward in the league, love him.

  50. Hayward4Price says:

    I’m all for second and third chances for that matter.  The problem is that there is very little margin of error in the playoffs…especially for a team like the habs.  Everyone has got to be on the same page and bringing everything they’ve got each time on the ice.  Having one K bro in the lineup at one time is about all the team can handle unless they are both showing signes of life.  Until then you put int he less talented harder working guys to keep the flow and momentum going.

  51. HardHabits says:

    I would’ve thought it’d be “Home sweat F. home!”

  52. Ian Cobb says:

    Yes, we need great goaltending, but the team is playing together and for each other. This is still a TEAM sport and the coach is a part of a team my friend.

  53. Les-Habitants says:

    Because his performance is so unreliable.  He absolutely has better upside than Darche, but I think JM does not want to be experimenting.

    That said, I would have inserted Sergei into the linup.  There is no point having a 4th line that only plays 4-5 minutes.  Sergei has shown he can be an intelligent defensive forward from his work on the PK, and the brothers have played well together in the past.  Metro is an intelligent center man, and you could turn this 4th line into something of a threat.


  54. CBrady12 says:

    Dude, ur missing the point. The reason a vet can make a mistake is because they are vets. They have earned the right to make mistakes and continue playing. This comes from a combination of skill and effort. Every veteran on any NHL team have worked his ass off to get where they are. Every young NHL player needs to work hard every game and practice to EARN the right to play and to make mistakes. Unfortunately Sergei has all the skills to be a great player but is unable to give any consistent effort like he did his first season. Remember those days? He was a pain in the ass, he played hard, skated fast and made things happen. Again, unfortunately, he started to think he was a vet after half a season and since then he hasnt been the same. I am not trying to run him out of town, if he played the same way he did when he first came into the league every game…I would love him. I am just fed up of having players on this team, especially young ones, who dont try their best.


    Ill ask you this, if Sergei played for the Penguins, do you think he would be playing tonight? I dont 

  55. Hayward4Price says:

    It’s not a matter of being run out of town…besides in the shape he’s in I’d be surprised if he can run to the corner without getting gassed.  All anyone wants is some semblance of effort.  What’s most frustrating is he was lights out in the Olympics.  I guess that was his 2 weeks of effort for the year?

  56. Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    JM putting SK on the point during a powerplay? hahahaha! imagine JM even putting SK into the line-up AND also playing him

    it’s so funny that it’s sad. damn that kid has skills… i wish he and JM would bury the hatchet. they both have to get over themselves.


  57. jbroderi says:

    i respect your consistency

    like i mentioned above, sk or darche isn’t winning us the series either way, so we should be concerned with our top 3 lines keeping up the good work.

    go habs


    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  58. Chris says:

    Probably won’t see this reply, but #1 overall picks are almost always star players.  The Oilers would be harpooned by their fan base if they traded a pick that has a 80-90% chance of becoming a superstar in the league for a pair of guys that might have a 50% chance of becoming stars and a 50% chance of bolting for the KHL within 5 years.

  59. ShangaDoo says:

    I like Darche and all but I’d rather see SK-Metro-AK

    I’m perplexed as to why JM does not like this kid

  60. Mark C says:

    It should never have to come to that, but it wouldn’t be the first time. The B’s had to do it with Kessel in ’08, benching him for 3 games during the series and it work as he scored 3 goals in 4 games, with 2 big goals in game 6 to force a game 7. It wouldn’t sacrifice the rest of the team. Just have Muller pull him aside and level with him, let him how he’s getting another chance and to up the effort (and improve d-zone coverage).     

  61. TripleX says:

    Ian, great goaltending can make any coach look like a genius.  The garbage pile is heaped high with coaches who looked like Scotty Bowman one season then are fired when a hot goalie suddenly turns cold.

  62. HardHabits says:

    In case anyone missed it. The Kirk Muller fist-pump.

  63. TripleX says:

    Do Ron McLean and Cherry dare show their faces at the Bell or do they hide in the safety of beloved Toronto?

    I think they despise Montreal too much to ever set foot in the Bell.

  64. CBrady12 says:

    My god, obviously Im not saying that is the only piece of evidence. I think I’ve posted enough evidence already. thanks for calling me delusional though, sheesh and you call ME delusional

  65. BeachHabFan says:

    LET’S – GO – MET – RO

    that guy was so good a few years back with boston and philly during the playoffs, i’m hoping his shoulder is feeling stronger so he can wreak some havoc tonight. we need a decent 4th line presence, imposing some physical wear and tear, getting faceoffs in Pitt’s zone, and maybe even adding scoring depth. bring it, boys. i don’t care if AK scores, i just want to see him throw a some hits and get his head in the game.

  66. andrewberkshire says:

    Brian Gionta was directly at fault for FOUR goals in game 1 against Pittsburgh. Should we bench him? No. How about the coach decides to COACH Sergei and tell him that’s unacceptable, and we use our best players instead of Ben Maxwell and Darche.

  67. joeybarrie says:

    The PVR is great, especially since I can set it with my cell phone. So if I’m gonna be late or something. AWESOME.

    However, there is something about watching live games. Knowing that everything is hapening at this moment and everyone is experiencing it with you at this same moment… Plus holding in the pee, and running back to the tv is part of the tradition. The notion in my household that everything revolves around the game while its on, is something I cannot trade in.

    I will say though, hitting the FF button just to hear that THUD, and the your watching LIVE tv is disappointing.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  68. Chris says:

    You know how I love tee-ball, Steve.  ;)

  69. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’ll stand up for guys who are trying to be run out of town over mistakes that people have been making all year long but they haven’t gotten benched for. O’Byrne having to wait until Game 4 of the playoffs to get his start while Markov had to do the magician’s act of making MAB look like a 1st-pair defender was another decision that brings about the same result. A veteran can make a mistake and face no consequences, a young player is on a 1, 2 strike policy for the season.



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  70. Mike Boone says:

    Sweat. Play on words in reference to how hard they work

  71. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Martin and Gill are allway’s talking to themselves,it’s real trippy if you focus on it…And it seems too be a good thing …I’m doing it right now ,lol

  72. Hayward4Price says:

    worry about SK’s ego and try to get him motivated in the playoffs (when motivation should not be an issue) and sacrifice the rest of the team.  I like it!

  73. 24 Cups says:

    My gut tells me that Metro will have a stellar game tonight (if he gets the ice time).

  74. Hayward4Price says:

    Don’t think the pic reference is too far fetched…I think you have to read between the lines as to why HIO posted that pic of all the other possible pix.  Delusional would be trying to defend SK’s play in the clip that started this string of comments.

  75. silent_witness says:

    The Bell Center Faithful will show the cheer-only-when-we-score Mellon arena fans how its done. The 4 Québecois will tremble when we proudly sing our National Anthem.

    Win with the Habs, Die with Habs… GO HABS GO for Life

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