Sunday CH videos

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If Edmonton can win in Anaheim Sunday night, it would drop your Montreal Canadiens into 29th place.
The Canadiens head into the final week of their schedule looking at a Top 5 lottery draft pick.
At HIO Central Scouting, we are becoming intrigued by Alex Galchenyuk of the Sarnia Sting.

Sarnia’s Nail Yakupov and Mikhail Grigorenko of the Quebec Remparts are projected to go one-two in the June draft.

If the Canadiens are picking at three, Galchenyuk might be the man.

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A cool fan video put together at McLean’s Pub in Montreal:

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And just because it’s the funniest darn thing on the Internet:

573 Comments

  1. Mondou6 says:

    The Draft Lottery process is interesting. It’s not really a drawing for “the number one pick”, it’s actually a weighted drawing among all non-playoff teams for the chance to draft 4 positions higher.

    So if we finish 3rd worst, then we could only pick 1st, 3rd, or 4th. (4th if someone behind us wins the lottery and passes us.)

    The worst team has roughly a 50% chance of getting the top pick, 25% chance of winning the lottery, and 25% chance that a 6-14 worst team wins the lottery, and therefore can’t move up to #1.

    Columbus is only screwed if a 2-5 worst team hits the lottery.

    The Habs want to win the lottery, but if we don’t win, then we want a worse team than us to win it. If a better team wins it, they could jump ahead of us in the draft.

    Only the NHL could come up with something so unnecessarily complicated.

  2. Rob says:

    Don’t know if this question has been asked already, but has anybody figured out who holds the tie breakers between the Habs, Oilers and Leafs?

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      In the standing look at the ROW column (regulation and overtime wins) as the team with the most of these finishes ahead, Leafs would finish ahead of Montreal in a tiebreaker which is good.

      • Rob says:

        ahhh, yes, they have that info on NHL.com. Excellent. So Minny is the only team we currently have to worry about losing the tiebreaker to.

        The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          Correct Rob, and Minny wins tonight so it’s very doubtful there will be a tie breaker with them. Things are looking up. The info is also on the TSN website.

  3. egold98 says:

    Does anything think Montreal should try and trade their draft pick for Rick Nash? I can see him complementing Plek and Gionta perfectly…

    The team can also go the route of drafting Filip Forsberg to play LW on that line and hope he pans out at a very young age similar to Landeskog in Colorado.

    If going with a center (and that would probably be the best route), gotta go big with Mikhail Grigorenko if available. Alex Galchenyuk (as Boone is beginning to like), or even Radek Faksa would do – both are big playmaking centers with strong 2-way capabilities.

    So I want to know, Nash, Forsberg, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk or Faksa?

    Lets talk a little hockey here instead of constant GM chatter…

    • matt jordan says:

      Columbus would want more than Montreal’s first round pick. Columbus apparently considered , Brandon Dubinsky, JT Miller, Tim Erixon, Christian Thomas and a first round pick from the Rangers, but still turned the Rangers down.

      Here’s a link.
      http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/02/nash-may-wish-to-broaden-trade-list.html

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      Personally I like Forsberg, close to a year younger than many in the draft, big, skilled and according to scouting reports he brings it every night. I worry about a Russian who may bolt to the KHL if things don’t go his way and the word is Grigorenko has a questionable work ethic. I am concerned about Galchenyuk’s major injury at an early age. Faksa is intersting, would love to see the Habs trade for another high pick, perhaps throw in a pile of second rounders and something else (maybe unrealistic) and end up with Forsberg and Faksa. They would have to give up way too much young talent to get Nash, time to rebuild with young players.

    • Mark C says:

      I would be fine with any of those players other than Nash and Faksa.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      We need the future, not Nash. And if Gionta is still here our rebuild is not serious. We can probably get some kind of pick for him.

      All traces of the Smurf ™ Protocol need to be erased.

      • The Jackal says:

        Dunno, a guy who works hard and scores more than 25 goals… Put him with Pleks and get another scoring winger on that line and we have a solid top 6, then put LL with Eller and our pick on that line and we now have scoring depth and a solid 4th line. We need a stay at home tough guy D and we should better off.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        A pick for Gionta? We don´t need players for next season? We want to get rid of Gomez, Kaberle (I agree with that) and then trade Gionta for a pick? What next? Trade Pleks so that we struggle to reach the cap floor?

        I agree about Nash though. He´s also criminally overrated here due to this size as is 9-goal scorer Ryan Getzlaf.

    • Nitroslices says:

      The Blue Jackets want 2 top 6 players, two high prospects and a #1 draft for Nash…….TOO HIGH. If you don’t like Crazy Gauthier’s proposed Gorges, PK, Pleks & a #1 draft for Vinny L from the BOLTS (which was refused by the NHL; thank GOD), you wont like the Nash one.

  4. Keener_7 says:

    Hi everybody,

    Long time Habs fan from the east coast now living in Alberta. Just signed up on this site, though I have been reading for 3 years now, figured i would say hi.

    so cheers. and go habs go…. ummm errr…. somthing like that.. lol

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Welcome aboard the Titanic, where people fight over the deck chairs even as the iceberg looms.

      Hope you have a long fuse and a thick skin :-)

      LOVE Alberta. Big Rock beer, the steaks, the Chinooks. Go most years to Lake Louise.

      Have fun!

      • Propwash says:

        Best Big Rock beer commercial ever! My friend’s cousin directed it. Too bad they didn’t win the contest though.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdMEe4DmyQ

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      • Keener_7 says:

        It’s all good, I have seen what goes on here. I’m not usually very vocal, just like to sit back and enjoy the show. I’m headed to Banff next weekend actually, very nice scenery I must say.

        BTW Prop, that commercial is great! thanks for the laugh.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          If you have the time, go north from Banff to LL, rent a canoe (not sure if the ice is off yet or not) and then drive north another 2 hours to the Columbia Ice Field.

          Your eyes will bleed with happiness.

          • Keener_7 says:

            Was there this summer. Stayed in Jasper for 2 night then drove through the park and stopped at most of the attractions. Stayed in LL for the night(very spectacular) , but didn’t rent a canoe. Next day we just drove to Calgary and visited some friends before returning home. So now I have to check out Banff and some of its hot springs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Welcome Keener, your life will never be the same.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Welcome aboard! Now give us your candidates for GM. LOL!

  5. Montreal1993 says:

    So the new season of game of thrones is starting tonight !!

  6. slapshot777 says:

    So far so good Minny leading Chicago 2-1.

  7. slapshot777 says:

    The biggest problem facing the new GM right of the bat, is what to do with the Gomez contract.

    Since Gomez is currently out of the lineup with a concussion and not likely to return for the rest of this season. Question is what can he do with Gomez?

    While Gomez is injured he can’t place him in the minors and with the current CBA expiring, what will be in the new agreement to hopefully take care of the problem.

    Can the new GM sign a UFA or UFAs with money he would hope to have from sending Gomez to the minors. If the smaller market teams get their way this dumping expensive contracts in the minors will no longer exist.

    I think we will be stuck with Gomez for another year at least. Unless there is something in the new CBA ( like a buyout amnesty clause) if not there is no way to clear Gomez off the books unless the new GM can get creative and trade him.

    I hope the new GM can come up with some solutions because I really don’t want to go through the same crap next season as this season.

    So my wish list for the off season is to be finally rid of Gomez and Kaberle this gives us eleven million to play with. This can make the difference in putting good players on the ice who can possibly score or watching two old soft players floating around the ice, like their auditioning for stars on ice.

  8. Bripro says:

    OK, so I came on earlier and caught the tail end of a post that was deleted. It had to do with cheerleaders? Did I misread that?
    So, where are these cheerleaders everyone wanted to know about?

  9. HabFab says:

    By request and for the enjoyment of their HIO fans only.
    Ladies and gentlemen, may I present HabinBurlington accompanied by Punkster on the horn;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3RZ-7iVLc&feature=related

  10. habs_54321 says:

    anyone know how to pull up the recent audios of pierre mcguire i wanted to hear his comments on the gauthier firing last week i checked tsn montreal radio section but cant seem to locate it..

    • zorro says:

      Mr. Mcguire says he would love to get an interview, for the GM position.

    • Bripro says:

      Mitch Melnyk tried to get him to say that he would like the job, but he was very professional about it and stated that it would be wrong to try and sell himself on a public forum (like the radio station) in order to make himself noticed.
      He admitted that he would definitely be interested in speaking with Savard/Molson if approached, but left it at that.

    • Phil C says:

      Here is a link to his comments on the Ottawa sports radio station. The one dated 30 Mar is the one you want, they practically interviewed him on the air.

      http://autopod.ca/chum/22/podcasts/

  11. Habfan10912 says:

    Tonight I am a huge Wild and Oiler fan.

    • Captain aHab says:

      You and me both buddy.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • j2w4habs25 says:

      i hope they can pull this off

      Carey Price #31

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      Yes, go Oilers and go Wild. Noticed that Gaborik got his 40th today. As soon as Sather dumped Gomez’s contract on Gainey he used the money saved to sign Gaborik. So Sather basically traded Gomez for Gaborik and McDonaugh. A great trade for Sather, a horrible trade for Gainey. Would like for someone to explain to me why Gainey had to throw in McDonaugh to take Gomez off Sather’s hands.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        And that my friend is why BG and PG no longer are employed.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        We’ve been debating that for years. Something to do with bread, and thoroughbreds, and some photos Sather has of Bob in a hotel room in 1977.

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          There is no reasonable explanation for it, trading for Gomez AND throwing in a top prospect. It is one of life’s mysteries I have no explanation for. I have great admiration for Gainey as a player and person but this trade was/is a head shaker.

          • Price for PM says:

            You’re right! Sather would have traded Gomez for Higgins alone. Why he chose to throw in our top D prospect at the time is beyond me. What the hell was he thinking? I can see Garth Snow making this trade, but Gainey, come on. Mad and disappointed.

            “Because I always try so hard to win and had my troubles in Boston, I was suspended.”

  12. j2w4habs25 says:

    I HEARD “WE WILL, WE WILL , ROCK YOU!!”
    JUST REMINDED ME OF A GAME AGAINST THE PENS IN 2003 OR 2002 NOT SURE BUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE ARENA WAS CHANTING THAT IT WAS AMAZING, I WISH I CAN FIND A CLIP OF THAT

    Carey Price #31

  13. Habfan10912 says:

    Its tough to score on this Panther team. A lot of folks are wanting a 3-6 match as opposed to a 4-5. Careful what you ask for.

    • matt jordan says:

      I don’t know about that… The choices are the Rangers, Bruins, Penguins, Flyers or the Florida Panthers… Out of those five, its easy to pick the team out which is not a contender.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Agree Matt but the first round almost always sees an upset. I just think that this Florida team might be capable of a suprise. I love playoff hockey!

  14. Dr.Rex says:

    The Cowboys are called “America’s team” when clearly they are not. The Packers are by far and away yhe most popular amongst football fans. SImply a marketing slogan like Hockeytown in detroit.

  15. DorvalTony says:

    “Desole Serge, je dois demissioner, bonne chance avec Camille Laurin comme DG.”

    yfrog.com/5bpu27j

  16. db says:

    So PA Parenteau just mentioned again that he’d love to play for Montreal…

    Although I don’t think he would be able to reproduce this season (with Tavares), I do believe that he’s a guy Pleks or Eller would love to have on the wing. I hope a new GM really “listens” to what the players are saying.

  17. Cape Breton says:

    They call Detroit “Hockeytown.” But check out all of the empty seats in today’s game vs. Florida. And it’s been like this for a long time.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Unemployment in Hockeytown is high, the area is broke

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • Cape Breton says:

        But why do the announcers keep saying it’s the 200th and something sellout in row?

        I agree with you on the Bruins thing.

        • smiler2729 says:

          I don’t know maybe the tickets are bought but don’t get re-sold (scalpers).

          __________________________________
          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

          • Cape Breton says:

            Bottom line: Every time I watch a Detroit game at home, the empty seats stand out like a flat tire.

        • croozer says:

          It’s like Toronto – high priced- lower bowl tickets are mostly corporate or scalped. Seats are sold but empty half the time.
          Announced attendance usually refers to seats sold – not the turnstile count.
          Tv Cameras rarely show the upper cheap seats , which are usually filled.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Like in Toronto, corporations buy the seats, deal out the ducats to clients and employees, then they stagger in after dinner at Hy’s – generally near the end of the first period.

          I’ve been to Detroit (though not a game). Its makes Cleveland or Baltimore look like civilization.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      They call it hockeytown, it is a wonderful marketing slogan. Ask most people in that area what their sports priorities are. I suspect Detroit Lions, then Detroit Tigers, never mind the endless Michigan Wolverines.

      I don’t say any of this disrespectfully, but the smartest thing Detroit ever did was coin a phrase like Hockeytown USA. Now the fans feel an ownership of it and perhaps even believe it. Anyone that grows up anywhere near North Dakota and Minnesota knows that hockey in that region is actually near the top of the food chain. Hockey is nowhere near the top of the foodchain in Detroit, and I didnt even get to the part about the Detroit Pistons, Nascar Racing and Michigan State.

      And also, Smiler is right, the place is going through economic hell to boot.

      • Cape Breton says:

        I understand the economic thing, but don’t tell us it’s the 200th and some sell-out in a row when it ain’t!! And for sure, like the Bruins in Boston, the Red Wings aren’t even on the radar in Motor City.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Well I still believe what I typed, but evidently they do sell tickets.

          Here is the facts according to ESPN.
          http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

          • Cape Breton says:

            Every time I watch a Red Wing home game the empty seats makes me embarrased to be a Gordie Howe fan

        • Cape Breton says:

          And another thing, I see where the Red Wings are doing the Florida, Carolina, Phoenix,and other US hockeyless markets on their TV adds: Buy one ticket and get 4 free meals and thirteen upper bowl seats and 16 Pepsis.
          Hockeytown???? Pathetic!!!!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            It is brilliant marketing on the part of the Red Wings. It helps keep the team relevant. Very smart on their part.

          • ont fan says:

            So go try and buy a ticket for the lower bowl for a Red wings game. Good luck. Those tickets are sold.

  18. jols101 says:

    Excited about this years Draft. From my understanding, and correct me if i am wrong, in the Lottery Draft the Habs can move up by 4 picks but can only drop by 1 pick. So if it stays the same the worst we can do is a 4th overall pick. We will get a great player no matter what: Grigerenko, Galchenyuk or Forsberg, any of which will be an impact player for the Habs.
    There should also be some good talent left when we get to our 2nd pick. Hopefully a dark horse that develops into a solid NHLer…
    After such a painfull season we should all be excited about the Draft in June. Can’t waite…

  19. L Elle says:

    Maybe it’s a generational thing, but I find the drunk in the video hilarious.

    How many people have I heard, butcher that song, in said condition. LOL

    • Mike D says:

      LOL – that reads like an Anti-Staubitz campaign! Also, plenty of positive remarks about Gomez.

      Take your propaganda elsewhere, hippie! ;-)

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Mustang says:

      You can look at all the stats you want but that will not make me change my mind………….Gomez is over the hill and basically sucks. He is so predictable……he will carry the puck over the blue line, slow down, curl off to one side, then pass the puck, maybe even to someone wearing the same colour jersey as he is wearing. 2 goals for $7M, that is 3.5 MILLION DOLLARS PER GOAL.

    • punkster says:

      Thanks Frank. Now, please understand this is not an attempt in any way to support Gomez. My view of his year, based on his regular stats, advanced stats and on my own observations watching the games, is negative.

      As for advanced stats, I hope people take the time to understand what these stats mean, how an individuals’ results are compiled, how results compare, and how TOI and the opposition they play against affects the results.

      Posters will naturally key on the Gomez results, if positive, or on a top players’ results, if negative, to belittle the stat or statistician. Fact is Gomez is mentioned favourably only twice, in the Events Per Minute and the the Success Rate When Attempting to Maintaining Puck Possession.

      Think about it. He has played only 38 games, often against the lower line players on other teams, with a mixed bag of wingers. He’s bound to have a couple of positive stats. They don’t in any way excuse his season but they do point out that advanced stats do have some validity.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • neumann103 says:

      I missed what happened in the Stalinist purge of Andrew Berkshire but he was a good contributor. His defense of Scott Gomez based on a somewhat overly deterministic reading of statistics was a little over the top, but it is not like he was that “I support Scott Gomez” teenager from the short bus.

      Chris Boucher is generally worth reading and he points out some of the weaknesses of the specific metrics (disproportionate time on the PP inflate Gomez and Kaberle’s numbers). I think there are likely some others like how position played (particularly Center vs Wing) affects different events.

      But if you read all three parts some things emerge that are either confirmation bias or evidence of some meaning. Over and over you see Pacioretty, Plekanec, Eller and Subban at one extreme of the spectrum and Staubitz at the other. Particularly interesting is the strength of Eller in a lot of these metrics despite lacking any PP time. He plays the entire length of the ice and compete level is high and it shows in these measurements.

      “Et le but!”

  20. KLear says:

    Brendan Gaunce. Canadian. Over 6 ft 200 lbs. Google it.

  21. Timo says:

    So who is projected to go #4 and #5? Is there another Claude Giroux in the making?

  22. Hobie Hansen says:

    Let go Blue Jays!

  23. rated_R says:

    After watching that Galchenyuk video, I’m on the fence between Grigorenko and him if we had the 2nd overall pick. Alex shows a lot of character on the ice and looks like an all-rounder player which will fit with the Habs. Looks like he can shoot and pass too. On the another hand Grigorenko, he has the potential to be the “superstar” we’ve longgggg waited. It’s a flip of a coin. I guess it’ll come down to Timmins and his staff and how they feel about their character in their interviews.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “Alex shows a lot of character on the ice”
      You’ve reached this conclusion based on what now? While you’re at it, please explain how you’ve identified “all-rounder” ability in a four minute video of some guy with the puck in the offensive zone.

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
      – Sean Bonjovi

      • rated_R says:

        Alright dude who quotes himself. What makes you think I haven’t read about him as well? I think of Ovechkin as a player with a lot of character on the ice and passion for the game. I see that in Alex and in Nail but not in Grigo.

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          “What makes you think I haven’t read about him as well?”
          I’m sure you’ve read plenty about him. I’d guess that a lot of “your” opinions are really someone else’s opinions. I wonder why you would try to pass them off as opinions you formed “After watching that Galchenyuk video”.

          “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
          – Sean Bonjovi

          • rated_R says:

            Do you have anything better to do than bash on someone else’s OPINION?! You’re pathetic. It’s how I view it. Let it be, you troll. Only losers have signatures like yours. Self centered much

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            :)

            “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
            – Sean Bonjovi

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Is the name “Dude Who Quotes Himself” taken?

          I know “Dude Who Talks About Hisself in the Third Person” is gone, though he’s not posted lately…

      • LA Loyalist says:

        He conducted an interview, as follows:

        Hi Alex, just a few questions:

        1. What’s your goalie’s name?
        2. How many zones are there in the rink?
        3. Would you best describe your job as waiting at your own blue line for someone to pass you the puck?

        Something along those lines. Rated__R is nothing if not thorough. That’s why he’s “Rated_R”.

    • chanchilla says:

      if galchenyuk would;ve played a full season i bet he’d give yakupov a run for his number one spot. I fully believe that he’ll recover from his injury and be either the best or second best choice in the draft.

  24. Ian Cobb says:

    Now I need some input here. Pertaining to the draft. Maybe they have changed things up or I am not understanding the format?

    The way I understand this is that the bottom 5 teams names go into the hat and in the order they are picked out of the hat is the way the 1st 5 draft.
    But in subsequent rounds they pick in the order that they finished in the 30 team league. Or does the draw from the hat stay in place in all further rounds???
    Anyone know???

  25. Mike D says:

    Nice little piece on Habs prospect, Greg Pateryn.

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=625054

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • fastfreddy says:

      I don’t mind the selection of hometown french players, if they are worthy of a first round selection. I mean if the guy is talented then draft him. But let’s NOT just draft a first rounder based on the french language. Let’s draft those players in the later rounds.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Habshire says:

      Hopefully he can use his knowledge of biomechanics to educate his teammates on how to avoid injury.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Hopefully this guy becomes Brent Seabrook cuz I’d hate like hell that we’d get burned in the Grabovski to Laffs deal.

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  26. Ehabs9 says:

    Call me greedy now that it looks like we’ve got a top 5 pick locked up. But if I were the next GM I’d be looking at what Columbus wants for that 1st overall pick, given that it’s said to be up for grabs. I’d like to see Yakupov and Galchenyuk in Habs jersey in the future! They play well together already, and they’ll develop together.

    • DearyLeary says:

      We don’t have enough to acquire Columbus’ pick. Especially if they’re looking to trade Nash away and need a new face for their franchise.

  27. Captain aHab says:

    Well one more Minny win in their remaining 4 games and we’ll be close to a lock for a top 3 pick.
    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I’m worried about the Wild. They finish up:
      @ Chicago
      @ Nashville
      v. Chicago
      v. Phoenix
      Our boys might have to earn their draft pick with some loses of their own.

      “Patch the holes, ride it out, Play for 2015″
      – Sean Bonjovi

  28. Mike D says:

    Oh man. Watching the Pens-Flyers game on NBC and whoever the dude is doing the play-by-play is f’n brutal. No wonder hockey isn’t more popular in the U.S. I swear he has an aneurysm every time the puck gets within 5 feet of either goal crease. So awkward. Also very annoying. The worst part is that his build up is so big and voice and lungs so spent, that if one of the teams were to actually score, that part of the call would be totally anti-climactic.

    To make matters worse they have Milbury on between periods and McGuire adding some colour during the game from between the benches. Yeah Mike, tell me more about what you would do as GM, and Pierre, why don’t you go all-out and tell me what X-player’s dad had for dinner that time you ate with him 3 years before the rest of the hockey world knew what a talented youngster he was. F’n chuckle-heads.

    /end rant

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Mattyleg says:

      Awesome.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bripro says:

        You seem to be enjoying all of the rants, these days.
        McGuire? Really?
        Mibury..no problem. The man doesn’t know his ass from his elbow, but PM? Sorry, I couldn’t disagree more.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I’ve been sick for a month and work has been overwhelming, so I can appreciate people’s venting. Not in my usual happy place.

          As for McGuire, I can’t stand the dude, and Mike’s assessment is bang-on for me. He can go take a flying leap with his ‘monsters’ and his ‘personal stories’ with every player in the league that tell us nothing apart from the fact that he wants us to think he’s everyone’s best friend.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFab says:

            Matty, your friend was back yesterday under a new name. Made about 5-6 posts and then was erased…again.

        • HabFab says:

          I remembered having seen pro PM comments after posting earlier about him being kin. By the way, I quickly was able to determine the connection was on my uncle by marriage side, so that dubious honor falls on my cousins head not mine :) We all have our little quirks but we still love you :)

    • smiler2729 says:

      That’s Mike Emrick, he’s a Hall of Fame play by play guy, to each his own.

      I think he’s great.

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • boing007 says:

      Agreed. That NBC announcer is annoying. Either he has high blood pressure or he pops bennies during the commercial breaks.

      Richard R

  29. Bripro says:

    Regarding french players, or Quebec-born players..
    I don’t believe when they say they don’t want to play here.
    Look at how Louis Leblanc reacted when the Habs picked him. And his entourage. Every Quebec kid as well as many from Ontario, the Maritimes, hell…all over the Country want nothing more than to play for the storied Canadiens.
    I think the problem that has been created is that the organization overlooked too many of them, and they’re now well-entrenched in their own organizations. None of them will admit that they want to play here, because 1) it alienates the team they are currently playing for and 2) their egos were probably a little hurt if they were overlooked at the draft (e.g. C. Giroux).
    If the team does decide to attempt the old formula of local kids first, it’s good for the team, it’s good for the organization, and it’s very good for local minor hockey.
    But at the end of the day, the most important is to ice a winning team, and if they can’t find enough local talent to foster, then it’s regardless of their birth-place.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I totally agree, Bri.
      “French-Canadian players don’t want to play here” has attained the same kind of ‘truth by mantra’ as a lot of other stupid things said on this site.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bripro says:

        Then you might want to be gentle after I replied on your “awesome” comment.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t think that “French-Canadian players don’t want to play in Montreal.”

        I do think that “SOME French-Canadian players don’t want to play in Montreal.”

        There is an important distinction there.

        Not everybody is wired the same. A hometown kid can get the highest highs but also the lowest lows. Look how it turned out for Mike Comrie in Edmonton…the crowd love him his first few seasons, but rapidly turned on him.

        Scott Gomez can get away from it all because he doesn’t live in Montreal. Mike Comrie lived in Edmonton during the summers and his family continued to live in Edmonton.

        Look at the adoration first given players like Guillaume Latendresse or Maxim Lapierre and then how nasty public opinion got at the end.

        A hometown kid like Latendresse had to deal with the BS that he was only on the team because he was a hometown kid. There was no benefit there…his hometown status actually hurt him.

        I would actually expand it to that many hockey players want nothing to do with Montreal, French-Canadian or otherwise. And who can blame them: you not only have to compete against the other players in the league, but you have to compete against the legacy of Richard, Morenz, Beliveau and Lafleur. Those are long odds. Throw in the tax situation, inclement weather, the mismanagement of the franchise and what’s left? The glorious history dates back to before the majority of today’s players were born.

        Some guys love playing in front of the loudest and biggest crowds in the league, but many are just as happy to earn their big paycheques in the obscurity of Phoenix, Columbus or Anaheim.

        • Bripro says:

          I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying Chris, because there’s a lot of truth to it. And you mentioned what is IMV the biggest reason:
          “the mismanagement of the franchise”. Period.
          It started with Ronald Corey, and went downhill from there.
          I still believe that most would like nothing more than to play for the Habs. Hopefully, with Geoff Molson at the helm, the organization will go about it in a more fostering and structured manner.

          • Chris says:

            As other have pointed out, the mismanagement predated Corey. You could really go back to the summers of 1978 and 1979 when the Canadiens had huge upheaval.

            The team president (Jacques Courtois) retired, as did the long-time general manager (Sam Pollock, in 1978) and three star players: Yvan Cournoyer (the team’s captain), Jacques Lemaire (the team’s #1 center) and Ken Dryden (the team’s star goaltender). After being passed over for the GM position, Bowman left the franchise in 1979.

            Not many franchises can see the exit of a team president, general manager, head coach, and 3 key players all in the same calendar year. A huge leadership void was created that was patched over but never completely fixed.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Bang on.

          “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Scotty leaving signaled the beginning of the downward trend of the Habs. If he had stayed I wonder how many more cups we would have won.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

        • Mattyleg says:

          So I’m dying of a cold.
          FML.
          Anyway, a buddy of mine pointed out something interesting to me:
          The Habs-Leafs game as season closer could be interesting if a higher draft-pick hangs in the balance.
          If the loser gets a better pick, what happens to the game?!

          If we win, and pound the Leafs into dust, do we still get to celebrate? Will people boo?

          If we try to ousuck the Leafs, what does that do to pride, morale, and most people’s faith in humanity?

          Echhhhh…. I hope the results of the remaining couple of games will prevent something as shitty as that happening.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. Rad says:

    I say the Habs need to trade for a second 1st Round draft pick this year, so they can draft another very high-potential forward. With so many d-men rated highly, we would have a good chance of getting a top quality forward in the middle of the 1st Round. Forwards I like there are Radek Faksa, Thomas Wilson, and Teuvo Teravainen, a skilled Finn who could be the 2nd coming of Saku Koivu. We will also have a very good prospect available at our top pick in the early 2nd Round. Available players there could be someone like Martin Frk, Zemgus Girgensons, Sebastian Collberg, or a big Russian winger like Nikolai Prokhorkin or Anton Slepyshev. Habs need to grab a good Russian prospect somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd Round IMO.

  31. slapshot777 says:

    Having French players on the Habs is all well and good. The only issue I have with a French player playing for the Habs is that he be there on his own merit and that he be good enough to play.

    I don’t want him on the Habs just because his name is French and he can barely skate or hold on to a hockey stick. I want a competitive Habs team one that will be in the hunt for the cup on a regular basis like Detroit.

    I don’t want the Habs as a hockey team filled with French players because the media, politicians think it’s the right think to do.

    It was mentioned last night on the Hot Stove that Molson and the Habs want to get back on track and be competitive before Quebec gets their team and could possibly be better than the Habs right out of the gate. They said that would be a bad thing.

    This is why I want the Habs to make sure that the GM and coach whomever it may be, whether French or Anglo be right for this team and have the smarts to do this makeover with minimal turnover to make the Habs competitive again.

  32. Bripro says:

    That looks like cousin Wayne in the cruiser. There goes the family’s integrity.

  33. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    That Queen cover is the perfect goal scoring song for the 2011-2012 season.
    It’s time to drunk tank!

  34. HabFab says:

    Interesting info on the top picks from CSS.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=625180

    • Mike D says:

      Interesting that Malcolm Subban compared himself to MA Fleury, but the NHL scout said he’s more like Carey Price.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • HabFab says:

        Also that Yakupov said that Galchenyuk had better hands then himself.

        • LafleurGuy says:

          But are they better than Palushaj’s?

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • HabFab says:

            All joking aside , one of the guys with the best hands is Alexander Avstin and he can’t do jack squat come game time.

          • Mike D says:

            So true Frank. I had a look at Avtsin’s stats with Hamilton this year and was totally unimpressed. Last year he got a pass as it was his first year playing in NA and getting adjusted to the smaller rink size etc., but I expected a much better season for him this year and was sorely disappointed.

            I really hope he pans out. A big, highly skilled winger with all that potential it would be a shame if he didn’t put it all together.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  35. FanCritic says:

    Half the team should be french. start looking at good ones. it’s not a real Montreal Canadiens team the way it is. I want to see the good old days again with the flying frenchmen.

    • HabFab says:

      Have you read through the posts below?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Noticed your favourite player is Price, should we start by trading him away for a french goalie?

      • HabFab says:

        Noticed you were standing too close again to a deleted post and ended up on the bottom of the page :)

      • FanCritic says:

        HabinBurlington – you don’t get it . I didn’t say they all had to be french.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am all for the team to have the best players possible, especially players from Quebec. In theory these players should have a greater vested interest in the team, because hopefully they grew up cheering for the team.

          But it is a 30 team league, to say half our team should be from Quebec and at the same time say you want the team to win, well it isn’t going to happen.

          We should be scouting Quebec better than any other team in the League, but at best this may represent 1-2 more players from Quebec every season or two. Because there will be times in the draft where the player from Quebec who is best available may not be nearly as good as the guy from Belarus or Edmonton. So we take the best player.

          I just think you overgeneralized the statement. So I decided to take your idea to the extreme and start by trading our best asset for a player who meets the criteria.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Quit living in the past. There are 30 teams not 6…..

      The majority of the French players don’t want to play here….I wonder why that could be. I want a team that wins.

      Get with the times and evolve

      “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

    • Cape Breton says:

      Can’t be done anymore unless you want to fill the team with Quebec Beer League guys.

  36. awesomerino says:

    Assuming, as I do, that Kaberle & Gomez’s contracts are both buried in Hamilton, let me ask you this:

    If Eric Staal were available for our lottery pick, Lars Eller, and Nathan Beaulieu, do you make that deal? Keeping in mind that the Habs would keep PK, their 1st and all those 2nds in next year’s crazy deep draft, and start next year with Staal, DD, and Pleks as our top 3 centers?

    • ProHabs says:

      Craziness, never. Stall has maybe 4 dominant years left and makes a ton of money that would go against our cap. There are no guarantees with our lottery pick, Eller and Beaulieu but chances are all 3 of them are going to be very good to dominate players and all are young. They could be dominate players for 10 years and will make minimal money for the first 3.

      If the new GM even considers doing this, I am becoming a Bruin fan.

    • Mike D says:

      Not a F#&*!n chance! That’s wayyyy too much for Eric Staal. He’s a very good player but some people over-value him IMO. He’s not Sid or Malkin by any stretch of the imagination.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • boing007 says:

      No.

      Richard R

    • Talik Sanis says:

      No. That is a horribly lopsided deal. We’re in position to get a player who is superior or at least equal to Stall, will be so for a longer period of time, and will cost far less against the cap. His size alone does not make Stall a superstar; he’s fallen to the level of an overpaid first line center.

      As a fast rule, there should be no more trading of draft picks for older players. We’re not at a point where we can benefit from doing so. We’re rebuilding, and it will take far too long to surrounded Stall with the players we would need to be a contender for the Cup and not just the playoffs. This process would be delayed significantly due to our having traded away our first from this year and crippling our future core by loosing Eller and Beaulieu.

      As for Kabrele, why bury him, really? I hated the trade at the time, he’s proven every bit as soft as I’d feared, and, yes, he’s horrible without the puck, but he still has a great deal of value when actually protected by a competent defence core, something we did not have this year. As a puck moving fifth defenceman, he can still put up 40-50 points a year, and will likely fetch a more than reasonable return at the 2014 trade deadline, as evidenced by the Marek Zidlicky trade.

    • Habshire says:

      On Hotstove Friedman mentioned that in the new cba burying players in the minors may no longer be allowed. The poorer teams consider it a disadvantage that the richer teams can afford to do this and they can’t.

  37. HabFab says:

    NHL Central Scouting just released updated rankings;
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=8063

    • Mike D says:

      That report is old news ’round these parts. It has also been completely dismissed by many other scouting reports.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • HabFab says:

        Mike, saw him play a couple times and felt him more Yashin then Malkin. But what do I know? Not a scout nor do I have access to him for personality evaluation. Just my opinion and actually before these stories broke.

        • Mike D says:

          Fair enough, Frank. Thanks for your insight. Ironically, I watched a Sarnia/London game earlier this season and thought Yakupov (pre-injury) floated a lot too. He got the secondary assist on Sarnia’s first goal (a blah assist at that) and was heavily shadowed by one of London’s better two-way forwards (can’t remember who ATM). Nothing he did really impressed me, but scouts love him and that is their profession, so like you, I’ll defer to their expertise.

          Cheers.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

  38. Phil C says:

    @ Mike D

    I like Grossmann as well. You are right that that three guys I mentioned might not be available, but you might as well dream! Garrison may have benefitted from Campbell, but I would be surprised if Suter no longer had success without Weber, but it is a risk.

  39. habsfan0 says:

    No matter who the Habs draft in June, how likely is it that he will be with the big team next year?Not very, IMHO. The only way this team makes significant strides come 2012-13, is through free agency and/or trades.

  40. ZepFan2 says:

    About the video of the drunk guy.

    It seems a bit unfair that booze is legal and weed isn’t. A weed smoker wouldn’t be yapping so much and most definitely would not be singing (unless there was a good song playing on the radio). Unlike the intoxicated philosopher/entertainer in that video, the weed smoker would simply enjoy the ride. Just sayin’.

    Now excuse me while I kiss the sky!

    ———————————————————————-
    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

    The Soft Parade

    • HabFab says:

      From Mike’s list of D below, you would pick Clayton Stoner…noi?

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Haha

        The name is certainly an interesting one. :smile:

        ———————————————————————-
        “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

        The Soft Parade

      • HabinBurlington says:

        You never miss the opportunities presented to you, do you?

        • HabFab says:

          “we make”

          Come on, how come everyone is getting a vote but me. It is not fair! Boone, who is giving out these voting privileges??

          That is the one I canceled to you below.Yes, I also bite my tongue but since it was still showing when I went to respond…viola!!!
          :) :) :) :)

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Just got back from some spiritual nourishment and this is what I see? Why
          I’ve never……… :)

          • HabinBurlington says:

            You didn’t wear that new Tank Thong out this morning you were talking about on the About Last Night Thread did you?

          • HabFab says:

            Prayed for the me too I hope, need all the patience of Job these days surrounded by the tankers, halakist and mccheesist.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Praise the Lord and pass the joint! :wink:

            ———————————————————————-
            “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

            The Soft Parade

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Leagalising weed would contradict the anti smoking efforts made by the government. The fact that the effects of marijuana are far less disruptive than that of alcohol are, unfortunately, irrelevant in this matter.

      Just sayin’……..

      • ZepFan2 says:

        The feds can do all the anti smoking campaigns they want. It’s not going to stop those that choose to smoke. It’s a waste of tax payers moola.

        Maybe they should focus more on the harder drugs like crack?!

        ———————————————————————-
        “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

        The Soft Parade

        • HabinBurlington says:

          One could say virtually everything the feds or provincial gov’ts do ends up wasting tax payers moola.

          I have lost faith in all of the Big 3 parties in this country. I still vote, but my company does a great deal of business with various levels of gov’t run institutions and I am at a loss as to how they all operate.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Burli, agreed!

            I vote, but I’m leaning towards destroying my next vote. This way I’ll have nothing to bitch about. :razz:

            ———————————————————————-
            “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

            The Soft Parade

        • RobertAlanFord says:

          i couldnt agree more.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          I smoke cigars and love them. I do however find it very interesting that the most ardent anti smoking Zealots are the same ones who scream the most for legalization of pot (which I don’t mind) but find the double standard in the smoking debate laughable.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • ZepFan2 says:

            I don’t smoke tobacco and could care less if others do. That being said, I’m in full agreement that smoking should be outdoors only. That includes pot smokers as well…when it’s legalized. :smile:

            ———————————————————————-
            “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

            The Soft Parade

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Don’t smoke them the house or the wife would kill me, however one should be able to open a Bar (18and over) where the patrons if they so desire want to smoke inside or out. The patrons or staff all know what’s going on in that bar and have a choice if to go or not. If the bar fails or makes it depends if they can bring in and keep their clients happy. BTW no smoking in resturants is fine with me.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Agreed! As long s there’s a section with vaporizers. :smile:

            ———————————————————————-
            “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

            The Soft Parade

          • Mr. Biter says:

            I’ll bite to that.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    Very tough week ahead for the Habs.

    We play Tampa at home, Carolina away, and ebd the season against the Leafs.

    All of those teams are out of the playoffs.

    Although they are teams we typically have problems with, I can see us getting 4 points.

    This might land us in 4th or even 5th place.

    We could draft as low as 6th if we’re not careful.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  42. Cape Breton says:

    The video on the drunk guy isn’t funny, it’s stupid.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Phenomenal Rock Opera song turned to crap by Joe-look-at-how- funny-I-am-when I’m drunk. I’m thinking there was collusion by the involved police officer(s) for the filming to go on that long. Appeals to people who throw bananas………

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  43. HardHabits says:

    Here’s the full tape of the epic bout.

    • neumann103 says:

      Who won the Undercard contest:
      Stupidest Tribal Tattoo

      “Et le but!”

    • HabFab says:

      I thought Trudeau was the socialist in this bout. Shouldn’t it read “kick some fascist ass”?

      • HardHabits says:

        NDP are the socialists. Under Chretien the banking system was reformed. Canada avoided the USA style melt-down. Canada was also the only country in the G7 to post surpluses and pay down the debt during the Chretien era. Liberals are centrists.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      HH, you’re a great poster – as an Economist…

      How does a “fiscally responsible” government pay for “socially progressive” programs? It’s an oxy moron.

      Perhaps you mean libertarian type government non-involvement as in ” I don’t care what you do with your freedom, just don’t ask me to pay for it” ?

      Clarity. It’s what’s for dinner.

      • HardHabits says:

        There is no contradiction. Chretien’s Liberals balanced the books and kept Canada progressive.

        To think the two are mutually exclusive leads me to believe that you are buying into the propaganda of either the left or the right. Lets just say I loathe Harper’s conservatives as much as I loathe Quebec’s socialists.

        I am a centrist. Socially progressive and fiscally responsible. No contradiction there. It’s why some of the less erudite here call me bi-polar or say that I flip flop. I see both sides of issues and look for synthesis as opposed to seeing all things in black and white where taking sides in one position is de rigueur and the tendency is to portray the most pure adherent as the one who pushes the most radical extreme.

        Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am…

    • New says:

      I don’t know whether I agree or disagree with you but I am sure this Trudeau – Brazeau is the best way to settle political disagreements. Don’t just confine it to house vs senate, make it a regular part of question period.

  44. RobertAlanFord says:

    Galchenyuk has been injured all year after having surgery to repair a torn ACL in his knee. I think we’ve had our fair share of this drama.

    Unfortunately I’ve only seen videos online of Grigorenko so my evaluation is no better than the next guys and of course it makes a good impression. I did however go to a Sarnia game in Ottawa when Yakupov had just returned from his injury and I can honestly say I liked what I saw, but ………if thats whats going first overall, It may be worth considering putting that first round pick next to one of our centers and bringing in a star calibre player or two. GMs around the league would be beating down the door for the first or second overall. Even if we pick 3, 4 or 5, it makes sense to swap it away. We still have two second rounders, one of which will be in the top 30, so dangle it while they’re hungry and whoever jumps the the highest gets it. Might even be enough to lure in a taker for the Gomez contract.

    Next year is a deeper draft and we have three in the second so we can skip out this year and focus more on evaluating the youth that we already have in the works. Leblanc, Beaulieu, Kristo, Tinordi, Gallagher, Holland, Avtsin, etc….. With four more in the top sixty in 2013 we’ll have more than enough young talent in the system.

    Whoever takes over as GM for the Habs is walking into a really good situation

    Just sayin’……..

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You make good points, all the more reason it is imperative we make a good choice in who the GM is. Pivotal to say the least.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        But we must still make the playoffs next year or the negativity here would drive sane posters to drink or smoke more than this year has. And then by next years end (if no playoffs) the new GM and/or coach would be idiots (or worse) and new people would need to be found.That is the chains we carry as Habs fans.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

  45. Clay says:

    Anyone with either a good sense of humour, an appreciation of quantum mechanics, or a dislike of Mitt Romney – or all of the above – should read this. Brilliant article!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/a-quantum-theory-of-mitt-romney.html?src=tp&smid=fb-share
    And with that, I bid you all farewell for the night.

    __________________________
    ☞ Wow, that’s a nice lookin’ pair of Crocs!” Said no one ever.☜

  46. TomNickle says:

    If the new management team decides that it wants to rebuild on the fly and remain competitive in the near future there won’t be many faces shuffled around.

    The way they would very likely do it would be to draft Grigorenko and slide him in with Eller and Leblanc next year and leave the top six forward group in the same shape as it is today with Plekanec, Bourque and Gionta playing behind Desharnais, Pacioretty and Cole.

    They would make a short list of UFA defensemen and very likely aim to sign two of them to play in a group already consisting of Markov, Subban, Emelin and Gorges.

    Guys who would probably fit the profile would be Joe Corvo, Brad Stuart, Barrett Jackman, Nicklas Grossman and Cory Sarich.

    That gets you a quick rebuild and with the right coaching staff is a team that can compete for a top spot in the East.

    If they want to make their own impression on the team it’s highly likely that Bourque, Plekanec, Markov and Gorges will all be moved within the next full calendar year with an outside chance of Gionta moving in addition.

    I don’t include Gomez and Kaberle because I’m assuming they’ve already played their last games as Habs.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I made the assumption that Gomez will be gone one way or another. But to get rid of Kaberle along with Gomez will be a pretty tough chore.

      The best case scenario would be that each team gets a penalty free buyout so Montreal disposes of Gomez. That would make buying out Kaberle and having to deal with half his cap hit, or whatever is equates to a little easier.

      But if there is no penalty free buyout period I don’t know how we could possibly buy both of them out and I just don’t see them playing in Hamilton?

      • TomNickle says:

        Kaberle will be traded. And there is a market for him. Teams that don’t need to play him like a #3 or #4 defenseman yet need an improvement on the powerplay and have cap space will be more than willing to acquire him.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I hope you’re right about Kaberle Tom? Again this week, with all the news surrounding the Canadiens, Gauthier was vilified across the NHL for picking up Kaberle. The word has been out for a long time and was echoed again this week that Kaberle stinks and is nowhere near worth his contract.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Yeah, doesn’t help us move him, does it?

          • Mark C says:

            The Wid were able to trade Marek Zidkicky, who had another year at $4M left on his contract. I would be shocked if Kaberle has no trade market.

          • boing007 says:

            So, if Kaberle was vilified throughout the NHL what’s the probability that some NHL teams would like to have him on their team? Near zero, I think.

            Richard R

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Might be better and easier to move Boroque thans Kaberle and as a 5/6 d-man he’s not bad just expensive.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I think your assessment is quite accurate, you have to think that line-up could be real effective. Maybe Bourgue needs a little Deeep Heat in his can before games to keep him moving. The guy has lots of tools, hopefully a new year can re-focus him.
      On D I would add Garrison from Fla and M.Carle from Philly as potentials. Dreger was on 990 the other day saying Fla has been trying to sign him and he is not interested. He has 16 goals this year, a friggin’ laser shot, and is +8.
      As an outside shot, I would take a chance on trading Plekanec IF you could sign Parise. There aren’t many scenarios where moving Pleks would make sense but I think this would qualify.

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

      • TomNickle says:

        Here’s a risk I would take with any of Plekanec, Bourque, Markov or Gionta.

        Trade one(maybe package) to one of the following teams. Minnesota, Columbus, Calgary, Dallas or Winnipeg for a 1st round pick in 2013.

        • ABHabsfan says:

          Good deal if we can get it. Gotta use the dough to get Parise though, the only FA forward worth chasing IMO. Would you trade with TO? they are sure to be in the bottom 5 next year

          “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
          Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

        • ont fan says:

          There is probably going to be a glut on the market for veterans with Calgary and the Sharks making big changes, so it will be interesting who can be traded.

    • mrhabby says:

      Tom. I guess that’s the big question. Iam still leaning for the latter. I would like to see a cleansing so to speak….team is at a crossroads.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Nice post.

      My worry is whomever we draft we don’t want to “Eller” him (play him under pressure when he’s not NHL ready).

      This team has done Eller no favors, let’s not repeat the mistakes of he, poo, the tender one… the list is far too long.

  47. savethepuck says:

    Too bad Sarnia couldn’t of made a long playoff run so our scouts could have had a good look at this guy. Didn’t play all season and remained in the top 5.
    If we draw the lottery ball, it’s Yakupov, if not, we can be picking between 2nd and 5th I think. Due to some reports questioning Grigorenko’s heart, I’m not sold on him.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Mike D says:

      There was only one bad report on Grigorenko and it was dismissed by numerous other reports. Not saying he’s a sure thing to become an elite Center in the NHL, but just saying you shouldn’t let one scouting report persuade you too much.

      Fortunately we have Timmins and I trust his judgement.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  48. Phil C says:

    The blown ACL at such a young age is really a concern about Galchenyuk, especially since the Habs can’t really afford to take a risk in this draft.

    As well, his hands look amazing, but in the video posted above, his foot speed did not seem great, but I admit I have not seen him play, so I will be happy to hear other more informed insights on his skating.

    I wonder if this draft will end up like the 2008 draft where all the best 1st rounders ended up being defensemen (other than Stamkos of course).

    • HabFab says:

      In Timmins I trust!!!!!!!!!!

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Other than Luke Schenn too (mean snipe)!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Andrew, there is an interesting story brewing in Toronto regarding Dion Phaneuf and Luke Schenn. It is being reported that Dion is not much of a fan of Luke’s and his leadership is really being questioned. Then you throw in the fact that last Philly/Toronto game Dion tried to have his way with younger brother Brayden Schenn.

        Hey are you in Burlington ON or Burlington Vermont?

    • savethepuck says:

      Last scouting report I saw, 8 of the top 12 were DMen

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • ooder says:

      look at Gorges.. he hasn’t had an ACL since junior.. doesn’t seem to bother him to much

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  49. Old Bald Bird says:

    Post after post assumes that we need and will get a big Dman for next year, but I am thinking that we should limp along with what we have. Bringing someone in will tend to block the way for one or two Dmen, such as Tinordi or Beaulieu, who might very well be ready the following season.

    There are enough potential Dmen in the system that I think we may want to leave openings for them, and FA’s will only come for contracts of 3 or 4 years. I dunno about trades, but they’re easier to speculate on than pull off.

    The notion is that we want to build something resembling a perennial contender, and I am not convinced that shoring up the D for the next year or two will help the team towards that long term goal.

  50. boing007 says:

    A healthy Alex G looked very good to me. He just turned 18 in February.

    Richard R

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Some of these Moneyball, sabermetrics guys can summarize how many major injuries an athlete can withstand before there career is at an end. To me, it’s strike one on Galchenyuk.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  51. LafleurGuy says:

    Just to add to the thread Mike D. started on UFA physical defencemen, I guess in giving away Woywitka for nothing, it was a better transaction than giving away McDonagh for LESS than nothing! If the Rangers win the Cup, historians can ink a chapter on the big assist Gainey gave them (and Gainey II). Not quite as big a story as “How I Got to Draft Guy Lafleur,” by Sam Pollock.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  52. Viruk42 says:

    Not sure how I feel about Galchenyuk. I’m sure he was affected by his injury and long layoff, but his (and Yakupov’s) Sarnia were eliminated last night in the opening round, in 6 games. In those 6 Galchenyuk had 4 points (2-2), and was -6. Add in his 2 regular season games and his 2011-12 season in 8 games, 4 points, -10.

    I was hoping he would come back from injury and shine in the playoffs, but that doesn’t seem very shiny. It’s tough to judge a player based on just 8 games…

    Let’s just trade up and grab Yakupov – not like Columbus would want to have another Russia fail miserably with them, ala Zherdev and Filatov.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I really believe Columbus will be trading their #1 pick this year. Between that draft choice and Rick Nash, they should be able to acquire alot of other good/great players and some top prospects.

      I am not sure how this will affect them, but they are hosting the All Star Game next year, they will need a player or two from their roster to make the team.

      • Mike D says:

        Some have mentioned that CBJ might be hesitant to draft another Russian-born player with a lottery pick given their experiences with Filatov and Zherdev. As such, they may trade down a few places to draft a player like Forsberg, Galchenyuk (who’s American born), or one of the good Dmen, and in addition acquire either a good roster player or prospect in the process.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

  53. aussiehab says:

    its going to be a very long off season. can’t really say itll be summer here, but off season nonetheless. we’ve all heard about the 1st line center and the scoring winger and the hard-nosed defenceman who will come in and lay down the law but i get the impression the habs might need a lot more than just those three guys. hopefully the next gm can figure out what is needed and then the new coach can figure out how to best use it all on the ice.

    but hey, at least there’s next year.

    -T

    • LA Loyalist says:

      What we need more than players is a fresh vision of who we are going to become. What in corporate speak they call a “mission statement”.

      We need to change the culture. Millionaires who come here to float are not welcome and we will sit their sorry asses regardless of how rich they are. That Gomez gets his useless minutes while kids who need the ice time don’t blows the mind.

      Until the floaters club is disbanded, we can get G*d in here to play center and it won’t help.

  54. punkster says:

    It seems there’s a kid in the draft
    Who really excels at his craft.
    His moves are exciting,
    He skates like greased lightning.
    Will we choose him or just get the shaft?

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  55. punkster says:

    Somebody close the window please. It’s getting drafty in here.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  56. LafleurGuy says:

    None of the graduating juniors are as highly rated as Eric Lindros was, but the overall return the Nordiques got for the Big E were Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, 15 million bucks, and picks that were used to pick Jocelyn Thibault, and Nolan Baumgartner. Flyer GM Bobby Clarke did not win a Cup as GM. So…., better to have Bombast Burke’s luck in Anaheim when a prime player forces a trade (Chris Pronger), than Bobby Clarke’s luck.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  57. HabinBurlington says:

    Oh my goodness! Question, is it the two girls holding the sign, or the guy on the left side of the picture?

  58. Kingofswing74 says:

    It’s looking like it will either be MTL or EDM drafting 2nd. If edmonton drafts second it’s hard to see them picking anyone else but D Murray or Dumba, seeing as theyre so deep at offense. Galchenyuk is enticing but TSN has LW Forsberg and C Grigorenko in front of him on the depth chart. I would be ecstatic at having Forsberg, Grigo or Galchenyuk on habs roster. So EVEN IF our pick falls to 4 or 5, there are some great forward picks available. But i’m pooling for Grigo at 3rd overall. Columbus will take Yakupov, and EDM would be insane to pick at fwd again, all they need is a franchise defenceman and they’re a dangerous team for a long time. Grigo is all but a hab if habs brass want him.

    • ProHabs says:

      Grigo, is he the Russian that plays for Quebec or the injured American/Russian that is now back playing for Sarnia. I don’t know which is which.

      Whatever the case, don’t pick any pure Russian. THey will hold a gun to your head with the KHL threat and then you end up bend over a barrel.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Galchenyuk who plays for Sarnia and appears to have recovered from his knee injury was born and raised in the United States. All of his development hockey was in the U.S.

        Grigorenko is the player now with the Remparts.

        What percentage Russian becomes acceptable?

        • HabFab says:

          Actually his dad is Belorussian not Russian.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I haven’t read the thorough book here yet on whether or not Belorussians fall into the same category as Russians. Thankfully this site provides great racial profiling information, so I should find out soon :)

          • Kingofswing74 says:

            I don’t think that was necessary, were not racial profiling. The Russian thing is simply a factor because there have been so many disasters with russian players fleeing to the KHL, and using it as a sort of weapon in contract negotiations etc.

          • Mike D says:

            LOL @ Burly’s comment! Well played, Gerald :-D

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • jo_maka says:

            Actually, the difference between Belarus and Russia is the same as the one between some french speaking areas of Ontario and the province of Quebec .

            So Bielorussian is as Russian as Claude Julien, Benoit Pouliot and JM are Quebecers
            _________________________________
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        • Clay says:

          39.7% is generally considered the upper limit ;)

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        • LA Loyalist says:

          It’s not about %, it’s about character. I would seriously look at game video of any kid i was drafting that high and look at weird things like (in random order): (this is in addition to talking to people and the usual scouting, etc.

          – does he have a relationship with his goalie?
          – how is he on the bench? Is he playing with his dick or is he up watching his buddies?
          – how is he on his next shift after getting scored on?
          – how is he when his coach asks him to do something different? (changes up the power play unit, or…)

          My point is that cumulatively you are looking for leadership and character, not a selfish prima donna.

          Someone who is not only great, but makes the players around him better and gives them confidence. He doesn’t have to be the Captain, but he needs to have character.

      • Kingofswing74 says:

        Grigorenko is the russian that plays in the Q, Galchenyuk is the american/russian that plays for Sarnia. I have the same fears as you, I would be scared to have a russian franchise player. Malkin/Datsyuk are the exceptions. I think Forsberg would be an awesome choice…Swedish franchise players are so awesome…

        • Clay says:

          To all of you who think you aren’t being racist here, please take your exact words, but instead of ‘Russian’ replace that word with ‘Jew’ or ‘black’ and see if it sounds offensive. And then please think before you make broad, sweeping generalizations.

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          • Kingofswing74 says:

            I think everyone needs to take it easy. Obviously they are sweeping generalizations, and obviously we don’t know anything about these kids! There’s no reason to make this some kind of racial debate. Like i previously stated, there is cold hard proof of the KHL causing contractual and obligational problems with some russian players, and it DOES scare scouts away. Grigorenko came over to quebec to play junior however, which shows that he does have the intentions of playing hockey in north america.

          • Clay says:

            I am taking it easy. Please consider my advice, because it’s good advice, and offered without malice. We all have an obligation to fight racism, whether it be overt, covert, intentional or not. I don’t think you were intentionally being racist, but it was racist nonetheless.

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          • HabFab says:

            So Clay, would that be a White Russian or a Black Russian?

          • HardHabits says:

            Israel and Africa would need to have hockey leagues for that to be true.

          • Kingofswing74 says:

            Rereading the comments, i see what you’re saying, maybe the generalizations were a bit much, and no it was not intentional. I do however feel that racism is a bit of a stretch in this situation. Swedish players, looking at the list of active swedes in the nhl, are some of the classiest players in the league, AS ARE some of the russian born players. My comment about being worried about a russian franchise player was more geared towards the problem of the KHL.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @King of Swing, I understand your comments as it relates to the threat of the KHL as a means of bargaining power. Over the past few weeks though, there have been some very sweeping comments made. Thanks for making your point clear.
            Cheers, have a good day!

          • LA Loyalist says:

            You’re the one that’s sweeping with the broad brush.

            Look at the list of Russian stars in the NHL in the last 10 years or so. I’m betting that roughly 50% of them are great team guys (Malkin, Markov…) and 50% of them are talented talented but moody and selfish (You know the list, I’m sure someone will post it.

            Further, they are the only ones who have an alternate league to use to leverage in negotiations. Is Diez going to say ” I want a raise or I’m going back to play in Switzerland?” Hell no, even though that’s a pretty good league, it ain’t the NHL.

            They are different, the culture is different, the motivation is different.

            I like Russians, I’d take Kovalchuk or Ovechkin in a second. My kid has had two Russian coaches, his best friend on the team is Russian. But they are different and that’s a consideration in balancing a team.

            Sorry you’re so lazy that you have to paint with a roller.

      • New says:

        Rick Westhead wrote a one sided piece on the KHL in January http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/international/article/1111783–khl-gun-slinging-owners-drugs-dodgy-air-travel-all-part-of-the-game .There is some truth in it I imagine. The interesting part is the observation about the price of oil being the major factor in the KHL surviving. It also points out that many players from all countries go to the KHL because it pays more or is a chance.

        So Stamkos for instance could ask for the max and a bag of chips or he would go play in the K.

    • zorro says:

      I’m sure all these kids are great hockey players, but which one will show up every night?

  59. ont fan says:

    So what does Edmonton, Minnie, Leafs or Ducks need for their top picks. Gotta look long term.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Ducks need a Craig Ludwig / Rick Green type to settle their own end, then they will need to replace Saku and Selanne and Jason Blake, if not next year, then the year after.

  60. Mike D says:

    Since many have stated that we could use another physical presence on the back end who can clear the crease for Carey and make opposing forwards think twice about going into the corner in our zone, here’s a list and a few stats about some Dmen who will be available this summer. In no particular order:

    PLAYER – HT/WT – AGE – CAP HIT
    Bryan Allen – 6’5″ 226lbs. – 31 y.o. – 2.9mil
    Cory Sarich – 6’4″ 207lbs – 33 y.o. – 3.6mil
    Shane O’Brien – 6’3″ 230lbs. – 28 y.o. – 1.1mil
    Sheldon Souray – 6’4″ 237lbs. – 35 y.o. – 1.65mil
    Kurtis Foster – 6’5″ 226lbs. – 30 y.o. – 1.8mil
    Clayton Stoner – 6’3″ 225lbs. – 27 y.o. – 550K
    Bryce Salvador – 6’3″ 215lbs. – 36 y.o. – 2.9mil
    Milan Jurcina – 6’4″ 253lbs. – 28 y.o. – 1.6mil
    Jeff Woywitka – 6’3″ 227lbs. – 28 y.o. – 650K
    John Scott – 6’8″ 270lbs. – 29 y.o. – 512K
    Matt Carkner – 6’4″ 237lbs. – 31 y.o. – 700K
    Filip Kuba – 6’4″ 225lbs. – 35 y.o. – 3.7mil
    Pavel Kubina – 6’4″ 258lbs. – 34 y.o. – 3.85mil
    Nick Grossmann – 6’4″ 230lbs. – 27 y.o. – 1.625mil
    Colin White – 6’4″ 215lbs. – 34 y.o. – 1mil

    *Note – I realize that not ALL of these guys play a physical style, but all are at least big bodies.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • HabFab says:

      You forgot the big guy… Hal Gill.

      • Mike D says:

        Didn’t forget him, Frank. I debated including him (and I love Skillsy to be honest with you) but he’s a known quantity and while he’s huge, he’s not physical. I’d be happy to have him back, truth be told, but my post was directed at posters who are wanting physical Dmen.

        I added the “*Note” at the bottom because I’m not familiar enough with all of the players I listed to say factually that they are phyiscal players. Obviously most of them are, but some aren’t even though they have the size to be.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Props to you Mike D. for the sweatwork to compile fascinating info. Did Woywitka get much icetime this year? Unlike other fans, I see the waiver claim actions in the pre-season as the biggest bungle by Gauthier’s management. Did they know anything about Betts other than his stats on his hockey card? Woywitka was SIGNED, and then was removed from the 40 man protected roster and then claimed by playoff bound(maybe) Dallas to make room for Betts. In the aftermath, no Woywitka, no Betts!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Cal says:

        Rangers took Woywitka.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Very good point indeed, i recall reading a PHilly blogger talking about how foolish it was to put Betts on waivers, his point was if he is healthy he should be playing for the flyers.

        Pro Scouts should have known there was something fishy going on when Betts showed up on the waiver wire.

        • Mike D says:

          Yeah, the Rangers did to us what we tried to do to Philly with regards to Woywitka and Betts. Too bad Betts was injured at the time causing the pick-up to be nullified and also leading to the trade for Nokie.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

      • habstrinifan says:

        Sorry LafleurGuy. I have been citing the Woywitka loss thru waivers as one of the STUPIDEST moves by PG.. the minute it happend. Woywitka has size, pedigree, youth (small contract), and had one of the bets pre-season of the camps, such as they were.

        This was an absolutely stupid move by PG.

      • Mike D says:

        Happy to do it, LafleurGuy. Woywitka missed some time with a foot injury this year but still only played in 27 games which means he was a healthy scratch a lot too. Mind you, he plays for the top team in the East with a good young D-core so he likely would have got more playing time with other teams.

        And yes, losing him to waivers was a mistake by PG. One of many.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

    • TomNickle says:

      No offense and I like that we’re thinking the same thing, but you left out the best available guy. Brad Stuart.

      Here’s my short list in order of preference.

      1. Brad Stuart
      2. Nicklas Grossman
      3. Milan Jurcina
      4. Colin White
      5. Kurtis Foster

      • Mike D says:

        Hi Tom. I left out Stuart on purpose because I think the Red Wings will re-sign him. Of course, that’s pure speculation on my part, but it’s based on them having the fewest number of Dmen on this year’s payroll (I.E., they don’t have a bunch of other Dmen in their org. to choose from immediately, and Detroit tends to stick with who they’ve got rather than be a revolving door for players). Plus they could use a bit of grit and Stuart is one of the few guys they have who brings it.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • martincurran55 says:

          What about Suter with Nashville?

          • TomNickle says:

            Suter’s a long term solution but with this team he’d be filling a short term need.

            This team already has Emelin, Beaulieu and Tinordi all best suited to play the left side for the next decade and it also has Subban and Ellis as long term solutions on the right side.

            This team should be seeking short term stop gap measures on defense.

          • Mike D says:

            @martin: See my lengthy response below to Phil C, or Tom’s reply immediately above for the Coles Notes version, lol.

            @Tom: Bang on. Not too mention we have other hopefuls like Pateryn and Bennett and a whole slew of others, of which SOME should make the show eventually. Plus St-Denis and Nash who might be capable late-bloomers.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

    • Phil C says:

      Out of your list, my votes would be O’Brien or Allen, and maybe Grossman.

      However, I believe that Emelin may not be ready for top-four minutes next year and Gorges is more of a 4/5 guy due to his lack of offensive skills. That leaves only Markov and Subban as the only bonafide top four defensemen. Help is coming on the farm, but all the Canadian propects will need at least a year in Hamilton.

      Therefore I think the Habs really need a top four defenseman more than they need a big physical third pairing defensemen. O’Brien is close to fitting this decription as he has size, toughness, as well as putting up 20 points this season. But I think the Habs should take a run at Ryan Suter if he becomes available. Quality defenseman like that only come available occasionally and the Habs would be remiss if they didn’t try. He is the total package, offense, defense, toughness, big minutes. I really don’t think you could over pay for him, as long as the term is reasonable.

      Jason Garrison is having a break out year in Florida. He is logging top two minutes while putting up 16 goals and 31 points. He has good size at 6’2″ 215 and leads Florida at +5. He would look great paired with Subban.

      Another bonafide top-four guy that might hit free agency is Matt Carle. He is the Flyer’s top TOI/G, plays in all situations and can move the puck and put up points. Not really a physical player, but he is plus 8 with the Flyers this year and was plus 30 last season.
      If the Habs could land a guy like this, then they could go for one of the cheaper physical defensemen in your list.

      So my free agent wish list would be:

      Suter, Garrison, Carle, O’Brien, Allen in that order, with maybe one of the cheaper guys on your list if the Habs can land one of the big fish. Of course, they would have to somehow lose the Kaberle contract to make this work.

      • Mike D says:

        I think Emelin will be fine as a top 4 guy next year, especially if paired with the right partner. I think a bigger concern is the possibility of him going back to Russia to play in the K. While I hope this doesn’t happen, and don’t necessarily feel that it will, too many have completely overlooked it as a possibility. Him staying will likely be dependent on what we offer him versus what he’s offered by a team in the K. Keep in mind he has a wife and kid (kids?) who I believe stayed behind when he came here. If he is having those thoughts, hopefully Markov can be of assistance in convincing him to stay here. I think he has a huge upside and will be able to contribute more offensively too as he develops his NA game.

        Suter would be nice, but he will be way too expensive even without Kaberle considering the contracts we have coming up this year and next. Also beware of the good Dmen who play with even better partners. Both Suter and Jack Johnson are good Dmen on their own, but they also benefit from playing with Shea Weber and Drew Doughty respectively (historically now for JJ). Not to say these guys aren’t good on their own, but they might not be as good as we think given who they’ve been partnered with. No one ever put Komi in the same category as JJ and Suter, but did anyone think he would be THAT bad without Markov as his partner?!?!?! I call this phenomenon the Komi-complex (TM), lol.

        I looked at Garrison but am confident FLA with re-sign him. He’s young, playing well for them, and they have plenty of cap space. He also shouldn’t be too expensive so I think they can afford him. Matt Carle was also left out intentionally as I think he will be too expensive and want too much term for us to consider him. I think we need to look at guys who will be reasonably priced and willing to accept no more than 3 years with 2 being ideal. Essentially, I see them as place holders for when Tinordi and Beaulieu (hopefully Ellis too) are ready to make the jump without compromising their development. If things don’t work out, we can always re-sign or replace them. If the young guys develop faster, then the place holder can be easily traded with a well-priced short-term contract and maybe even bring a decent return. I like Bryan Allen but he may be get offers that price him out of that range (either $ or years, or both). Shane O’Brien might be the best fit keeping those factors in mind. I also like Jurcina, Grossmann, and Woywitka.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

  61. habstrinifan says:

    It is of course a benefit that we are getting a high draft pick. But why are so many assuming or at least penning their line-ups based on that draft pick playing with the HABS next year. From what I understand there is no Seguin or Hall or even Tavares in the draft talent this year.

    The GM to be needs to direct his efforts at acquiring one or two pieces from UFA’s etc and setting up plans for a very in-depth evaluation of players like Tinordi and Gallagher and others during our rookie camp and pre-season camp.

    One week into his tenureship (hopefully before the draft) our GM must know how and where he is going to dispatch players like Kaberle Gomez and Bourque etc.

    He must also have formed an idea of the relative worth of Geoffrion Nokie, Staubitz, White, Blunden Diaz, Webber , etc when compared to other 3rd/4th line players around the league and start charting out replacements or their ‘position’ within the team.

    That is one of the major problems he will be facing. We have to many players who are ‘clouding’ the talent picture.

    If you see Gallagher and Tinordi in the line-up and players like Weber, Diaz, Geoffrion etc are relegated to full AHL then you can feel optimistic that clarity and decisiveness have taken hold in management.

    This is one pre-season where it may be more important who we let go than who we bring in.

    • HabFab says:

      Do we really want to see Gallagher and Tinordi in Montreal next season? It would certainly not help them in their development and we would have a terrible team for them to make it out of Junior.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I would prefer using them while adding some other pieces than continuing with players like Geoffrion and Weber and Diaz and others. If you admit that we need to add two or three ‘huge pieces’ in the ‘right places’ and that we cannot add alll our talent from ‘outside’. Then you ad dthe ‘huge pieces’ and give your best prospects time the chance. Gallagher certainly has shown that he has the consistency and growth curve (all his career) to prosper. Tinordi adds a specific piece to the puzzle allows us to ‘obtain’ those other huge pieces.

        Basically I am saying that if you see Weber Diaz, Geoffrion, Palushaj, Bourque etc on this team next year then dont expect significant improvement.

    • ont fan says:

      It’s pie in the sky to think about any real help next year. Gearing up for a couple of years from now when the big contracts are gone and the prospects have sorted themselves out.

  62. HabFab says:

    See that the top “home boy” ranked sits around Nashville’s second and our third round pick!
    Boy, has Quebec minor hockey ever fallen on hard times!

    • habstrinifan says:

      The powers that be in the QJMHL have been sitting on their hands and gnawing at the Canadien’s responsibility while the evaluation of the players in their league deteriorates, least in the eyes of the pro scouts etc.

      One of the items that they need to look at is the age and level when body contact is legal in Quebec. I heard a very thorough discussion of this some months ago and many were asking that the policu be changed.

    • Mike D says:

      Part of the reason for that Frank, is that the Q arrogantly refused to participate in Hockey Canada’s Program of Excellence for junior hockey some years ago. That is why the O and W produce a far greater number of NHL-talent players.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • habstrinifan says:

        Amazing Mike. Just another reason why instead of yelling about the Canadiens not paying attention to QJMHL, their admin should get off their butts and make the changes needed.

        • HabFab says:

          Jamesion, in the early 80’s after the influx of European hockey players, the powers that be noticed that the European players had a more highly developed skill set. To counter this Hockey Canada instituted it’s Program of Excellence focusing on training the coaches to better train the kids and then development camps for the more gifted players. United States developed a similar program. Quebec for political reasons optioned out of this until just lately. The results for Canada and the US were tremendous, while Quebec has got so far behind, that Atlantic Canada with 25% the population is out producing them, never mind Ontario and Western Canada. Very sad state and the Habs get abused for not picking the home boys. The top ranked Quebec born player this season will probably go in the third round.

          • Chris says:

            But two Quebec-born players last year (Couturier and Huberdeau) went top-8 last season. These things are often cyclical.

            And there were plenty of arguments being made at the time that the reason for Canadian hockey producing fewer offensive wizards was too much coaching, not too little coaching. No less a player than Wayne Gretzky has opined that Canadian kids spend too much time running drills and going to hockey camps as opposed to practicing “skill” moves with friends or playing other sports that develop your other skills (Gretzky was a very good softball player, while Joe Nieuwendyk was an elite level lacrosse player).

            I remember reading interviews with Pavel Bure, Alexander Mogilny and Alex Kovalev at various times over the years where they were questioned on how the Russian system at the time produced such sublimely talented kids. In all three cases, they said that their skill was largely developed through little games they invented for themselves…very little coaching was involved.

          • HabFab says:

            Don’t get me wrong, there have been great Quebec born players over the past 30 years, talent is talent after all. But like the Habs this season, no depth!

      • HabFab says:

        Am aware Mike, I have been preaching that sermon for awhile like yourself.

      • Chris says:

        I think there is more to it.

        Quebec also produces more than its fair share of Olympic athletes…Quebec has a much more varied sporting palate, with many top athletes diversifying away from the North American professional sports (hockey, basketball, baseball, football) that so dominate the rest of the Canadian landscape for youth sports.

        And even still, the QMJHL continues to push out great players into the NHL and competes well at the Memorial Cup. I think the QMJHL gets a bad rap because they play a more open style that didn’t translate well into the Dead Puck Era NHL. Old habits die hard, and teams are perhaps more dismissive of Quebec based players than they should be.

        • HabFab says:

          Sorry Chris, but check out the top prospects in the Q. Not many local boys.

          • Chris says:

            What were Quebec’s minor hockey registration numbers like in the 1990’s? I know that they are the only success story in the country (hockey participation rates are falling across the country, but Quebec’s have been increasing since 2003-04), so perhaps we shall see a turnaround in players in the near future.

          • HabFab says:

            I have heard although not read it myself that they have seen the light and joined the program.

  63. Clay says:

    Just when I thought I was out… they pull me back in

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  64. HabFab says:

    See Justin Trudeau won his boxing match last night…can he skate?

  65. Habfan10912 says:

    Yes sir. I knew you were lurking.

  66. Gabs about Habs says:

    Just curious about our draft pick. Assuming we get to pick top 5, will that pick be ready to make the jump to the NHL next year or not.

    • Chris says:

      Yakupov should be ready to make the jump, and perhaps Grigorenko.

      But after that, I don’t see any of these guys making much of a splash for at least a year or two.

      One of the reasons for this is that you need to have an opening.

      With Plekanec and Desharnais (assuming they are both still here), the #1 and #2 centre spots seem to be filled. The team is also solid at right wing with Cole and Gionta. Pacioretty obviously has the #1 left wing spot nailed down, but there might be room on the second line for a left winger.

      Given that most people want to see the team draft a centre, I don’t see any of Faksa, Galchenyuk (who almost certainly will get another year in the OHL by whatever team drafts him to recover his game shape from his knee injury) or Forsberg as a sure bet to make an NHL roster next season.

      Of the guys drafted last season, only Nugent-Hopkins, Landeskog and Couturier were regulars at forward, and Couturier spent the season as a third line forward limiting him to 13 goals and 25 points. Numbers like that would have Habs fans labelling him a draft bust.

      If you go back two years, only Hall, Seguin, Skinner and Burmistrov have become NHL regulars amongst the drafted forwards. And Burmistrov hasn’t made a big impact yet, while Seguin struggled for most of his rookie season.

      Realistically, anybody drafted this season is probably looking at a minimum of 2 years before they make a sizeable impact in the league.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Once again, brilliant Chris. I posted a note after Hobie Hansen’s comment on the asset management options with such a high pick.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Cape Breton says:

        Word is that Forsberg is a star in the making.

      • neumann103 says:

        I keep saying that I don’t expect 2012-2013 to see any of the Habs current prospects make the big club- and probably not their speculative but elite draft pick either. *

        2013-2014 however should be huge with decent shots of Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, maybe a Czech, a Swede and maybe a couple of the 400 US College kids Bob drafted making the team and beginning the window of opportunity to make a run. With Pleks, Markov and Cole as the veteran leadership and the core of MaxPac, PK, Price approaching prime years that is the time.

        Next year cannot be another disaster like this one. But it is not going to turn on a dime, and attempting to do so would be an error of Burkean proportions. Much as the Tank Crowd will hate it, 2012-2013 is about patching some holes, aiming for that 6-8 spot and maybe winning a playoff round (Mediocrity!) on the way to the real goal.

        * I did have one speculative 2012 roster with Forsberg pencilled in on Left Wing, but that was just funnin’

        “Et le but!”

        • Chris says:

          I wouldn’t be surprised to see the team turn around quickly. How many other teams are picking up a top pairing defenceman and top-6 right winger for free this summer? Montreal effectively does so with the returns of Gionta and Markov. Add a year of experience to the youngsters (Subban, Diaz, Emelin, Weber, Eller, Desharnais, Pacioretty, Leblanc, White) and you’ve got potential for a much better team next year. Not a contender, but a much better team.

          The big breakout might be Eller. He’s shown flashes of putting it together and is starting to go on Cole-like gallops down the wing. At 23, he’s just hitting the age where power forwards really start to hit their stride. I’m hoping for bigger things from Eller next season.

          Like you, I don’t expect any of Tinordi, Beaulieu, Gallagher or Kristo to be with the big club next season barring injury call-ups.

          • neumann103 says:

            Eller is my second favourite current Hab after Plekanec. He is a complete player and will only get better. Not sure what the haters are on about but even this year’s production is excellent considering the role he has been given (3rd line minutes with no linemates, tossed around to the wing, lots of PK duty, near zero PP time, being benched pretty much any time he took a penalty).

            Maybe I am just a glass half-full kind of guy. I agree the hill to climb is not huge. But I think the team plus Gionta/Markov is maybe a 6th place squad. I contrast this with all my Leaf fan friends. The Habs are really only missing a couple of top 9 wingers and a net clearing shutdown D man to be a pretty respectable team. The leafs need about 5 top 9 forwards, at least 3 D men and a goalie or two to not utterly suck.

            Interesting that you point out Weber. That kid could be the prospect that gets traded away and comes back to haunt. One of the things that most appalled me about the Kaberle trade (which admittedly mainly bothered me on the cap hit and length) was that given his weaknesses are the same things that weber gets pilloried for, why not just play weber some real minutes and let him develop?

            “Et le but!”

          • neumann103 says:

            And I guess what I really should have said is that I don’t think the incoming GM needs to make a bunch of panic moves. Next year almost takes care of itself. The year after is when things ought to start happening

            “Et le but!”

    • JUST ME says:

      Stephane Leroux who is in my book an expert in junior hockey says that Grigorenko would benefit from being in the NHL cause the fancy passes he makes are way ahead of the junior`s abilities.

      Other than that i do not think that it would be fair to put the team`s fate within a junior`s hand. We need to look elsewhere. Trade a few passengers and underachievers and hope for the best.

      I think that part of our problem is that we rely on too many American league caliber players not ready for prime time yet. Let the youngsters earn their grades and be patient. In a year or two the Gallaghers,Leblancs and Beaulieus will be more able to help the big team. Let`s not burn them in the NHL before it`s time.

      • Cape Breton says:

        The young guys don’t appear to be learning anything the AHL. Most of the call-ups amount to nothing.

        • HabFab says:

          Or maybe they are just not very good, the talent level in Hamilton was pretty low this season. They too sit at the bottom in the standings.

          • neumann103 says:

            They emptied the cupboards of prospects in Hamilton in the last year and a half to plug the leaks in the big club roster. Next year’s Bulldog squad should be pretty talented. Look forward to Gallagher and Beaulieu lighting up the AHL. If still available I would love to see the Habs take Malcolm Subban in the second round. Goaltending is still an issue.

            “Et le but!”

        • punkster says:

          Ya. Max, DD, PK…they all suck.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Cape Breton says:

            I knew that was coming. But there’s only 4 and Max, Price and PK are special and DD has a ton of heart. The others are rotting away.

  67. Marc10 says:

    HIO Central Scouting… I love it!

    And maybe that’s the way to keep us outpatients from reaching for the meds this off season…

    Pick the right one Timmah! Pick the right one!

  68. John Q Public says:

    Drunk Guy for GM!!!!

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Dale Tallon?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He has CHarisma :)

      • ont fan says:

        Was surprised to hear last night, a lot of GM’s on other teams were intrigued to become the Habs GM. Patience to pick the new guy. Resumes are going to come out of the woodwork. If Savard contacted Scotty he would give his advice on the new GM.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yah I heard that as well, interesting times ahead as we wait and see.

        • Cape Breton says:

          Why is it that MacGuire is so disliked amongst the commentariat?

          • habstrinifan says:

            Because it is easy to follow the crowd I think.

          • Mike D says:

            Because many of us have heard him speak over the years. He also tends to contradict himself quite a bit when you compare early opinions with later ones. He tends to be a downer of the decisions Montreal makes as well with regards to drafting (which is one of our strong suits).

            Mostly though, he’s an annoying little sh*t.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • Cal says:

            Hasn’t done anything in the NHL since 95 but talk about it on tv. I’ve been talking about hockey for 40 + years, too. It doesn’t make me think I’m qualified to be a GM.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @Habs Trini, I am NOT following the crowd in my views towards MacGuire. I have carefully explained to you before how and why I feel. If anything, I think more of the crowd (who watch Pierre on TV) are the ones following and that is there reason for liking Pierre to be GM.

          • neumann103 says:

            Because he appears to be a bit of a buffoon. That may be unfair but it weighs heavily when most people are desperate for a baseline level of professional competence to right the ship.

            I have always liked the guy as a broadcaster. He offers more than the average “he came to play” cliches. Most of the guys on my hockey team have an almost visceral hatred for the guy, but they are Leafs fans so make what you will of that.

            I think it is reasonable to question whether his broadcasting skills and apparent knowledge of the player pool outweigh the management issues of his time in Hartford (a disaster by all reports, but he was young) or his lack of recent experience in NHL management. Look there are a lot of people who say that guys like Savard, Bowman, Lacroix have been out of the GM’s suite long enough that they couldn’t step in and they were all successful GMs and have been out of NHL management for less time than McGuire.

            “Et le but!”

        • habstrinifan says:

          I like that suggestion.. I hope Savard talks to Scotty. May I up the irritation factor by stating my choice duo.

          Pierre McGuire/Vinny Damphousse. Ducks as tomatoes come hurling! Oh Yes it seems that the fervor for Roy has cooled if you read between the lines… both on Roy’s part and from the team. I think that is a good thing. Roy to me seems very emotionally connected to a Quebec franchise.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Disrespectful of me. I like Dale Tallon, and was in Vancouver when he was the second player ever chosen in the modern era draft behind the phenomenal Gilbert Perrault. Come to think of it, as a second overall pick, Tallon had a pedestrian career, and is not remembered as a Canuck great. Caution to those of us with high expectations from our high pick. Tallon would be a very good choice for GM.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • habstrinifan says:

          But he is committed isnt he?. If they could get him I would be very pleased.

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Hate to see Tinordi go through what Luke Schenn has been going through. True dat, that Schenn was “denied” further development time in either juniors or the AHL.
            (this ended up on the wrong thread)
            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Yeah, Tallon has had only one year in Fort Lauderdale, and Florida would probably want compenstion. Hey! We could give them our first round draft pick!

            “May you live in interesting times.”

  69. HabFab says:

    See Stubbs advocating that we could support Nashville in the play-offs due to the amount of ex Habs there.
    I don’t know about anyone else BUT I want them suckers to loss and fast…we have their second rounder. The faster they lose, the lower the pick (or higher if you think that way).

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yes plus AK and SK don’t exactly stir up many fond memories.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        AK still shows up on the scoresheet. Seems SK has lost icetime to bro’ and Gaustad and Radulov. No animosity for these types of snaggle-tooth preds so it would be “amusing” for a wallflower to win it all. Kinda like Stephen King’s “Carrie.”

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The one team, if they make it in, that has a contingent of ex Canadiens that I could support is Dallas.

      Ribeiro is a little s%*t but I don’t mind him. Souray is a warrior, Ryder is a good guy and all though he wasn’t here very long, Robidas is a wicked defenseman.

      One heart and soul guy who’s a UFA on that team, Adam Burish, would look good on a line in Montreal with Moen next year.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Faking injury is common, but can’t recall any other incident where the player was so embarrassing in juvenile behaviour afterward. Claude Lemieux was a tough hombre, but the only tarnish was his habit to fake injury. No where close, though to the juvenile Ribeiro act.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  70. Hobie Hansen says:

    I don’t care who the Canadiens draft as long as the decision extremely well thought out and is made by the smartest group of guys possible. The new GM and scouting staff and whoever else…

    If Galchenyuk truly deserves to be chosen a head of Fosrberg and the majority of people on the staff believe this, than pick him. We want as close to a guarantee as you can get and not some sexy pick that has extreme potential but is a little shaky at the moment.

    • AndyF says:

      Realising you can’t conclude very much from a compilation video, but…

      I noticed that Galchenyuk’s linemates had very good chemistry. Are his goals more the product of a very good line combination?

      Fail to Fail for Nail

    • LafleurGuy says:

      History portrays the key move that propelled the Avalanche nee Nordiques to two championships was the acquisition of Patrick Roy, but I put to you the case that of equal significance was the forced trade of Eric Lindros shortly after the draft the netted the Nordiques Peter Forsberg and 3 other NHL-level players. I or my monkey could do the obvious and draft any of CSS and Trevor’s recommendation. The brilliance would be on how to parlay this one valuable asset to something potentially more. A marker of a young players maturity and more to the point their prime is when the stars are seriously considered for captaincy. Sid at age 23. Ovechkin at an older age. Stamkos has an “A.” And then there is Phaneuf, but I digress. The maturation of Yakupov/Grigorenko/Galchenyuk may be in advance of Price/Subban/Pacioretty, and maybe not. I’ll be amused when Mystery Man GM steps up to the podium, June 22nd, looks down on Gary Bettman, and then announces to the Pittsburg crowd and the world which 18 yr. old is then a Hab. I would be ecstatic if a trade happens that amplifies the value of that draft position.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Chris says:

        The Lindros trade was a bigger deal to the Nordiques/Avalanche success than the Roy trade. Roy was obviously a huge piece of the puzzle, but I suspect the Avalanche might have gone out to get another goalie if they didn’t end up with Roy. Belfour left Chicago around that time, Vernon was available from Calgary and even a guy like Sean Burke might have been a viable option.

        But that Eric Lindros trade was ludicrous. In exchange for that one player, the Nordiques received:

        Peter Forsberg – future MVP

        Mike Ricci – solid checking line winger with some offensive talent, later traded for first round pick (Alex Tanguay)

        Ron Hextall – #1 goaltender, later traded along with first round pick for Mark Fitzpatrick and draft pick (Adam Deadmarsh, later traded for Rob Blake)

        Chris Simon – enforcer, later traded with Curtis Leshchychyn for Keith Jones and two draft picks (Shjon Podein and Scott Parker)

        Steve Duchesne – offensive defenceman, later traded to St. Louis for Garth Butcher (included in Sundin trade that brought Sylvain Lefebvre and Wendel Clark, who himself was traded for Claude Lemieux), Bob Bassen and Ron Sutter (later dealth for Uwe Krupp)

        Draft pick used to select Jocelyn Thibault – Thibault, a young French Canadian goaltender that was seen as the top goalie prospect in the league, was the key player used to secure Patrick Roy and Mike Keane from the Canadiens.

        So you could argue that one player Lindros led directly to the acquisition of Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci/Alex Tanguay, Uwe Krupp and Ron Hextall/Adam Deadmarsh/Rob Blake. Indirectly, the assets acquired for Lindros led to the future acquisitions of Wendel Clark/Claude Lemieux, Patrick Roy, Mike Keane, Shjon Podein, Scott Parker and Sylvain Lefebvre. One player led either directly or indirectly to 10 different roster players that contributed to one of Colorado’s two Stanley Cup victories.

        Unfortunately for Montreal, that trade ensures that no team is stupid enough to make such a similarly lopsided trade, and nobody in this year’s draft even comes close to matching the hype (or talent, if we are being honest) of Eric Lindros.

        • Habs64 says:

          Mike Ricci was a centre his whole career not a winger.

          • Chris says:

            Whoops…the stupid thing, is that I knew better too! :( Thanks for the correction.

            My brother competed in discus and shotput in high school when I was growing up. I would go to all his track and field meets. As we grew up about an hour from Peterborough, we usually met the Peterborough high schools in the central Ontario regionals, then saw everybody in Eastern Ontario regionals. The one year, he competed against Mike Ricci, Owen Nolan and Tie Domi…that was pretty neat!

            I ended up throwing discus in high school and got absolutely obliterated by Ethan Moreau (he was an Orillia high school product, which produced a ton of great throwers in track and field) at the Central Ontario championships. That guy could throw a discus! :) I was throwing mid-30’s in Grade 9, which wasn’t great but got me out of our weak county championships. Moreau was throwing in the 70’s. He an his teammate passed on the first 4 of 6 throws, and then just absolutely launch the bloody things, beating the rest of the field by a good 20 metres. It was hilarious watching them tell the field judges to keep moving back, with the rest of us snickering at their cockiness. I think there were probably 20 jaws on the ground after he threw. :)

            My other brother was a sprinter who competed against Glenroy Gilbert, later part of the 4×100 m team with Bruny Surin and Donovan Bailey, throughout his high school career. Gilbert would run the races in his track pants because he knew he was going to obliterate the field. Really nice guy, though, and he was absolutely huge even in high school!

    • ont fan says:

      Doug Mclain said,” Make no mistake about who’s drafting this year for the Habs, Timmins and his staff will be making all the decisions on who they will picking.”

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Would be OK. Unless we want someone who pounded the pavement and watched the draftees play. If this were the case, Andre Savard and Pierre McGuire would be the leading candidates!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • HabFab says:

          And what do you think Timmins and his staff actually do? By the way Andre Savard is a pro scout which means he scouts other NHL and some AHL games. Pierre MacGuire would as a media analyst, scout even less Junior and College games. His knowledge would all be from what he reads.

        • Chris says:

          When exactly would Pierre McGuire have time to “pound the pavement” and watch the draftees play? He has seen the guys at the World Junior tournament, and that is about it.

          McGuire has a full-time job as an NHL analyst. He doesn’t attend junior hockey games at the frequency that some here seem to think. He’s too busy working NHL games and with his various media responsibilities.

          The guys at the World Junior tournament are, for the most part, 19 year olds…they have already been drafted. If TSN was covering the U18 tournament, then I could perhaps see how McGuire might have some inside information. But they don’t in general, and McGuire certainly isn’t sent there when they do.

          McGuire’s vaunted knowledge of junior players is based on the fact that he actually has access to scouts around the NHL who feed him information, as well as a good research department at TSN. Most junior hockey games are played on weekends (Thursday through Sunday), exactly the time that analysts like McGuire are the most busy with their TV duties for the NHL. I would be a bit surprised if McGuire has been to 20 junior hockey games outside of the World Juniors this season.

  71. Cal says:

    Repost from earlier thread:

    With the end a week away, let’s play GET RID OF THE LOSER POINT. THE EAST:
    1-NYR GP78 W50 L21 OTL7 =100 not 107
    2-Bos GP78 W46 L28 OTL4 = 92 not 96
    3-Fla GP78 W37 L25 OTL16= 74 not 90!!
    4-Pitts GP78 W48 L24 OTL6 = 96 not 102
    5-Phil GP78 W45 L24 OTL9 =90 not 99
    6-NJD GP79 W45 L28 OTL6 =90 not 96
    7-Ott GP78 W40 L28 OTL10=80 not 90
    8-Was GP79 W40 L31 OTL8=80 not 88

    9-Buf GP79 W38 L31 OTL10=76 not 86
    10-Winn GP79 W36 L34 OTL9=72 not 81
    11-TBay GP78 W36 L35 OTL7=72 not 79
    12-Caro GP79 W31 L32 OTL16=62 not 78!!!
    13-NYI GP78 W33 L34 OTL 11=66 not 77!!
    14-Tor GP79 W34 L36 OTL 9=68 not 77
    15-Mtl GP79 W29 L35 OTL15=58 not 73!!!

    Under a fair point system- Zero points for a loss- FLA would not be in it, let alone 3rd in the conference. Habs would be the 2nd worst team in the league instead of the 3rd. Carolina would be 2 wins better than the Habs.

    THE WEST
    1-Van GP79 W49 L21 OTL9=98 not107
    2-StL GP79 W48 L21 OTL10=96 not106
    3-LAK GP79 W39 L27 OTL13=78 not 91
    4-Nas GP79 W45 L26 OTL8=90 not 98
    5-Det GP78 W46 L27 OTL 5=92 not 97
    6-Chi GP79 W44 L26 OTL 9=88 not 97
    7-Pho GP79 W39 L27 OTL13=78 not 91!!!
    8-SJo GP79 W40 L29 OTL10=80 not 90

    9-Dal GP79 W42 L32 OTL 5=84 not 89
    10-Col GP80 W41 L33 OTL6=82 not 88
    11-Cal GP80 W35 L29 OTL16=70 not 86!!!
    12-Ana GP78 W33 L34 OTL11=66 not 77
    13-Min GP78 W33 L35 OTL10= 66 not 76
    14-Edm GP78 W31 L38 OTL9=62 not 71
    15-CBJ GP79 W 27 L45 OTL7= 54 not 61

    In the West, Phoenix gets a playoff spot they haven’t earned. Calgary’s bad season is disguised, as well.
    How about it? Get rid of loser points? Or make all games worth 3? Right now, it a bull sh!t point system, making some games worth more than others.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree Cal, simple logic says that all games played should provide equal points to the standings.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Cal, if I have a vote id get rid of the gimmick shoot-out and have games end in tie. I like your point system better.

    • Chris says:

      It will never happen because you are ignoring that teams change their playing styles in response to the “loser-point”.

      A study by a couple of hockey-mad agricultural economics profs at the University of Guelph (I know one of them, hence knowing about the study) found that more games went to overtime since the introduction of the “loser-point”. Teams were less inclined to go for a win in regulation when they knew that waiting for overtime or the shootout guaranteed at least one point.

      Similarly, before the shootout, teams were less inclined to go for it in overtime because both teams have a point in the bag, versus going for a win and possibly ending up with nothing.

      Getting rid of the “loser point” is a non-starter. The best case scenario is to make every game worth 3 points: 3 for a regulation win, 2 for an OT/SO win, 1 for an OT/SO loss and 0 for a regulation loss. Given how conservative many of the GM’s and owners are in the NHL, though, I doubt anybody would go for that system even though it has the obvious attraction of encouraging teams to go all-out for regulation wins.

      • HabFab says:

        “Loser point” is the wrong terminology here. Officially it is known as the Bettman Parity Point System. And you call yourself a scientist ;)

        • Chris says:

          I don’t like the loser point terminology, personally. Hence the quotes. :)

          I know what the league was trying to do, and if we’re being honest, they succeeded. Overtimes used to be just awful hockey…neither team was willing to take risks. The guaranteed point made things better, and 4-on-4 opened up the ice to make a goal even more likely.

          Throw in the much criticized shootout and you get an event that sends most fans, especially kids, home happy. As much as many traditionalists hate the shootout, the kids absolutely love it. Since they are the future season ticket buyers, doesn’t hurt to try to rope them in.

      • neumann103 says:

        I hate the loser point. I am fine with ties, but realistic enough to know we are not going back.

        Since this is no going away, it does need to be fixed in the only way possible as you indicated:

        Make Every game worth 3 points
        3 for a regulation win
        0 for a regulation loss
        If it goes into extra time
        2 for an Overtime/Shootout win
        1 for an OT/SO loss

        This should help to address the whole playing for a tie incentive and not kill as many races in the standings. The only real problem with this is that you will have all sorts of idiot analysts talking about some team’s great 130 point season and comparing it to the pre-loser point era, but we already have to disregard so much nonsense we can just add it to the pile.

        “Et le but!”

      • boing007 says:

        The Shoot Out gimmick had its trial run. It stinks. Get rid of it.

        Richard R

  72. HabinBurlington says:

    I would love to see us get Galchenyuk.

  73. Cape Breton says:

    How about Bowman as GM for one or two seasons and bring in MacGuire as his understudy to prime for taking over?

  74. HabinBurlington says:

    Au revoir!

  75. HabFab says:

    It was English :)

  76. HabFab says:

    Some hockey bunnies at a game with a sign directed toward Seguin and a flavour of the month if you get the drift.

  77. LafleurGuy says:

    good start!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  78. Mr. Biter says:

    Finally man apart comes out of the closet to reply after one of my posts. Only took you two years and you were never even mentioned or thought of in my post. Gotta keep that in mind. You sir are a Troll for as for as long as I have been on this site all you have done is bash Bob Gainey and Carey Price and revel when the Habs lose. A real Habs fan. I realize that for some reason you have a deep hatred for BG.You don’t remember how bad the Habs were before BG came here and he has not been the GM for 11/2 years now. i realize he was and “advisor” but neither you or I know if it he had any real powe or a position out of respect for his years with the club. No our decline started with the Goat as GM. Refused to bring in toughness, re-signed AM instead of Wiz (which cost us this year),did not re-sign JH, TP, Hammer, then traded awayCammy, Gill and Spacek but if you go back after our playoff loss many posters wanted the 3 d-men gone for being old and slow (many also no regret that wish) and TP for his lack of scoring. Why PG did not re-sjgn one of the best face off men in the league was beyond me.In fairness he did bring in Cole and Staubitz (way to late in my opinion) but overall The Goat hurt us way more than BG ever did. Injuries also have hurt us the last 2 years and mostly it was not the “Smurfs” getting injuried. Added toughness was needed and either JM or PG wanted none of that. White, Staubitz,(Bluden/Moen)Wiz on last shift in Boston last year and there may have still been a fight but a “beatdown” never.
    Now back to your favorite target BG, yea he made a few mistakes but until he gave the team over to The Goat the team and franchise were in a better position than when he arrived. And before you mention Gomez some one posted earlier this week Gomer’s stats for 5 or 10 years before he came here and he was in the top 10 for points over that stretch I believe (not my numbers someone else’s so don’t know if true or not).
    Also I post and reply to any posts win or lose if right or wrong not just show up after loses to bitch abould Gainey or Price.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  79. Mr. Biter says:

    As expected, no reply.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  80. HardHabits says:

    Next year is 2013.

  81. Cape Breton says:

    The Classic game on ESPN earlier today had Mario Trembley’s first game as coach on home ice in Montreal in October of 1995 vs. Toronto. With 0.8 seconds left Pierre Turgeon scored to give Montreal a 4-3win and Trembley kissed Keane on the ear, jumped up and down on the bench, grabbed fomer owner Corey and high-fived every Hab player as they headed off the ice. Not long after, the franchise killer (Mario) pissed off the franchise (Patrick Roy) and the team has been sucking wind ever since.

  82. Cape Breton says:

    “The teams before him were much worse than today” ???? I don’t ever recall the Montreal Canadiens finishing last overal in their conference.l

  83. Bripro says:

    @dtoight, you’re on an iPhone, aren’t you?

  84. Mr. Biter says:

    dtoight, agree with most of your recent (today) posts but I think we tried to get the production this year from AHL players and rookies and it did not work out so well. Having said that the Rookies and AHL’ers now will have a year of NHL experience and the new Management can access which ones can play at an NHL level and who can’t. Very important but painfull step this year but we hopefully know who will be around next year and who won’t with the younger players and what positions we need to fill with FA’s.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  85. Captain aHab says:

    So you stopped before the three pole dancers came on?

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  86. Bripro says:

    Ah c’mon Shiloh, you’re taking the thing too “personnel”. ;)

  87. Ian Cobb says:

    Shiloh! I am with you on this one. I have a great sense of humor and I never take myself to serious! But why put this stupid drunk guy on here? Am I missing something?

  88. boing007 says:

    Were they female cops?

    Richard R

  89. Chris says:

    As was pointed out last night on the CBC hotstove, there are no guarantees that such a thing will be possible in the next CBA. Most of the smaller market teams (which make up almost 2/3 of the teams in the league) want that banned in the next CBA as they feel it gives teams like the Rangers, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Canucks and Red Wings an unfair advantage.

    And I agree. I hate that the rich teams have the luxury of burying their mistakes in the AHL. That defeats the spirit of the salary cap.

  90. otter649 says:

    Go to Capgeek for the correct information about buying out Gomez……

  91. fastfreddy says:

    Same for the rest of the rounds?

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  92. LA Loyalist says:

    Doesn’t it sound incredibly cheesy? Like something Gary Bettman came up with after a dinner with a potential Las Vegas ownership group.

    It’s kind of embarrassing, actually.

  93. Cape Breton says:

    The most recent lockout turned me into an NBA fan. Ever since the resumtion of NHL I don’t watch NBA. Next season, however, I will be an NBA fan again. Why??? There appears to be another work stoppage in the cards.

  94. rated_R says:

    After the first round it goes by standings

  95. Mr. Biter says:

    Pole Dancers and female cops? Now I’ve got to watch.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  96. Cape Breton says:

    Right on Ian. THat video was stupid. What’s up with Boone putting that on?

  97. HabinBurlington says:

    Is there a noticeable playoff fever in the Miami area surrounding the Panthers?

  98. Bripro says:

    Are you down there for that? You lucky sap!
    I hope you get to cheer us with a glass while we’re up here moping.

  99. LA Loyalist says:

    It’s not about him personally, he acquits himself well enough. But is he a captain in the Habs tradition? He probably would be in the bottom 5.

    Not good enough.

    I’m talking about changing the culture.

    We’re going to finish near the bottom of the league? And you think leadership has nothing to do with that?

    We need young skilled tough players and management needs to give them a clear vision of what to do and the tools to do it.

    I don’t know if Shakespeare watched much hockey, but he said “Where the offense is, let the great ax fall.”

    The ax has been falling, so far great. But it’s not done.

  100. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Look, if we can make a trade involving Gionta in which we get another decent top 6 forward back, it´s one thing. Trading him for a pick it´s a completely stupid idea and saying/writing “We can probably get some kind of pick for him” goes beyond that.

  101. Price for PM says:

    Gionta is hard working and has as much heart as Koivu. He is an asset and a positive influence on the younger players.

    If you want to get bigger, lets talk to San Jose about Marleau or Thornton for DD and a 2nd round draft pick and a prospect.

    “Because I always try so hard to win and had my troubles in Boston, I was suspended.”

  102. The Jackal says:

    Grapes? That you?

  103. Price for PM says:

    I agree. We should always draft the best Canadian player available. We could have Getzlaf now instead of the departed Kostisyn. But could we really take a pass on Grigorenko or Gallyenchuk to go for Ryan Murray or another defensemen? We have been crying for a big center for ages. What to do? You could be on to something, drafting all Canadian or all North American players could be an interesting tactic to use at the draft.

    “Because I always try so hard to win and had my troubles in Boston, I was suspended.”

  104. issie74 says:

    St louis has Hitchcock,that usually translates into success .

    NorthTOHab

  105. jols101 says:

    Hehehe, i don’t think Garth Snow is the brightest GM in the League but even he would’nt do that. I mean even if we could’nt get Parenteau signed it would be a great deal for us…

  106. nickster13 says:

    That would be highway robbery, so I love it. But they won’t do it.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

  107. Price for PM says:

    Gomez and two second round picks for a fifth round pick. How does that sound?

    “Because I always try so hard to win and had my troubles in Boston, I was suspended.”

  108. HabinBurlington says:

    Don’t forget, the rumour was out there that PG had a deal in place with Gomez to NYI a year ago, but Gomez allegedly used his limited NTC and ixnayed the deal.

    While I think the trade you proposed is a pipe dream, I wonder if now Gomez would stop such a trade. He has to realize now if he wants to play in the NHL he must go anywhere otherwise its Greyhound buses from Hamilton’s bus station.

  109. Price for PM says:

    Holmgren deserves way more credit for pulling this one off. GM of the year on this one alone, plus taking a chance on Jagr should be noted as well. Holmgren has got balls. The Bryz contract is quite silly though. Time will tell how brilliant these moves were, but I’d take him over the GM we don’t have now.

    “Because I always try so hard to win and had my troubles in Boston, I was suspended.”

  110. smiler2729 says:

    Milbury’d do it

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    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  111. smiler2729 says:

    Galyenchuk is American born and raised (his father is from Belarus)

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    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  112. HabinBurlington says:

    Yah Galchenyuk was born and raised in the U.S. His father is from Belarus, but the kid has spent his entire life playing North American hockey. At the start of the season, many thought it would be him or Yakupov in the #1 spot until he was injured. Bit of a wild card taking him with the injury, but I think the potential upside is huge.


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