Quick hits

Now that the gala celebration of Chris Nilan’s birthday is history, circle this date on your calendars:

March 8.

Boston at the Bell Centre.

There will be blood.

By then, the trading deadline will have come and gone.

Will the Canadiens beef up before Feb. 28?

Strip away all the nonsense – and there was a lot of it in that 8-6 goon show – and the bottom line is what’s it been for a long time.

Two words: Too small.

Michel Bergeron convulsed his fellow Antichambre panelists with a length rant about Hal Gill: “Six feet-22 … and he has to go to the bench so the trainer can help him get his gloves off” when the game gets rough.

Funny stuff – but Gill wasn’t the worst of the Canadiens. That dubious honour was a three-way split among Scott Gomez and his linemates: Lars Eller and Andrei Kostitsyn.

They were each minus-four on the game.

 

They played their last shift three minutes into the third period.

Gomez was 0-7 on faceoffs. How does an experienced Top Six centre – and we won’t even talk about the salary – win NOT ONE FACEOFF?

Eller played 7:21. How are you on for four goals in 11 shifts?

Well, at least the kid’s benching saved Eller from getting punched out in the waning seconds of an 8-6 game.

Tom Pyatt wasn’t as lucky.

The Canadiens’ fourth-liner was cut to ribbons in a fight with Gregory Campbell because the Bruin had an elbow pad loose. So the plastic cut into Pyatt’s face as the son of the NHL’s chief disciplinarian rained punches on him.

 

Tomas Plekanec managed to win 12 of 25 faceoffs. But the Canadiens’ best forward was on against Zdeno Chara more often than not, and he struggled against the Boston colossus.

Weird stat: Chara was minus-1 on a n ight his team won big. 

David Krejci and Nathan Horton were plus-5 and Milan Lucic was plus-4. They are big forwards, and no one in a white jersey could handle them (at least until Benoit Pouliot KOed Krejci).

The Bruins spent the night in Carey Price’s kitchen. The Canadiens’ goaltender has had better games, but he didn’t get much help from his teammates.

James Wisniewski had two assists and brought the power play back to life. But Wiz has issues in his end of the ice, and maybe 24 minutes was a bit much for a guy who’d missed the previous two games with strep throat.

It was a stupid game, with all the goonery hugely appreciated by the crowd at TD Garden. 

I bet you didn’t know The Departed was a documentary.

Not much time to lick wounds. 

The Islanders are at the Bell Centre Thursday night.

More once I’ve slept on a disappointing game.

152 Comments

  1. showey47 says:

    Just throwing another name into the “adding toughness” ring. How about someone like zenon konopka from the islanders? Won’t bring much offensively but leads the league in penalty minutes. What i like is his 58% in the faceoff circle,only taveras took more faceoffs for the islanders. Perhaps another player we could look at from the islanders is big defencman milan jurcina. Has a 0 +/- rating on a team loaded with big minuses.

  2. andrewberkshire says:

    I disagree Robert. That same flawed logic brought us Laraque. If anything I think this game showed how mentally weak the Bruins are. It was probably the worst game the Habs played all season, but they kept letting us back in it over and over again. The best way to respond to that kind of goonery is to kill them on the PP, and we did that tonight, and would have won if even half of Boston’s BS was called the way it should be.

  3. sidhu says:

    Getting rid of AK46 is addition by subtraction

  4. phillyhab says:

    I agree.  A bizzare game — and had we won we’d have a good shot at the Division, but I’m not sweating it.

    I don’t think this team needs to be tougher.  We don’t need to win fights, we need to win games.  I like that nobody backed down against a bigger team with way more experience in fisticuffs.  We lost because our defense was GOD AWFUL.  The move Ryder pulled at the end epitomized it — they made a slow D look still.

    GOMEZ SHOULD BE SCRATCHED.  And I’d rotate in Picard and rest Spacek.  He got his ass kicked tonight.

  5. WestHab says:

    Eller reminds me of Max Pac of last year. look what the time in Hamilton did for Max. Eller realy needs time down there, it will make him a better player.

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  6. Habitoba says:

    Great, trade for Umberger! How the hell can the Habs do that? “Yes, here’s Andrei Kostitsyn and Pyatt. They probably won’t do much for your team but we’ll take one of your better players in exchange anyways.” They would need something in return and we can’t keep giving up our top draft picks or we’ll have nothing wating for us in the next few years. They would want a Subban or a Cammellari thrown in there and how many of you would scream if that were to happen. We have no bargaining chips that we can use because of our lack of depth and injuries. We just have to ride this season until the end, I’m afraid.

  7. OneTimer says:

    That may be the case, but unfortunately for us it’s clearly not happening in MTL

  8. andrewberkshire says:

    You know what was hilarious? When Claude Julien got fired by the Devils right before the playoffs.

  9. Chuck says:

    I’d go with ‘smarter’.

  10. Desi says:

    I pity AK.  How’d you like to play on a line with Gomez and Eller?  Ak was playing 3-on-5 hockey all night against a mean Boston team.  I wouldn’t blame him if he refused to report  to the next game the way Little Tits did.

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    Blowing a 3-0 Playoff series lead remains his most memorable moment in hockey.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  12. Naveed says:

    Columbus is a seller this year… They can take some picks and some prospects such as Bournival & Maxwell or even Yemelin. Trades can be made if adequate pieces are put together. The Habs have a great farm system and prospects within their organization. The Bulldogs have been leaders in the AHL for about 5 years now. Other teams look at that…

  13. phillyhab says:

    SIGN ME UP! 

    Smart, skilled forward who can play winger and center.  Proven playoff player.

    Signed at $3,750,000 for two seasons…  maybe if we could move Kostitsyn?

  14. Naveed says:

    That was pretty funny but totally expected from crazy Lou… Coaches are expendable!

  15. andrewberkshire says:

    The one thing I can be thankful to Mike Richards for.

  16. SeriousFan09 says:

    Issue is they’re in the PO race out West, need to likely send them a 1st-rounder or a good prospect as well. Still might not interest them, Umberger is huge for them in what he brings to each game at times.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  17. Chuck says:

    To a team with the worst goaltending history in the past 25 years, too.

  18. Wayne says:

    It’s not really a flawed logic. Laraque was a bust pure and simple. Besides, the Bruins didn’t really run amok when he was here, did they? No, they thought twice about it. Tonight was inevitable since we canned Laraque and didn’t replace him. The Bruins wouldn’t have mucked it up like this if they knew we had at least 2 meatheads to their 4. We only have 1/2 a meathead in Moen as it stands. I don’t dispute the Bruins lack of class either, it’s a given.

  19. Habitoba says:

    Right… I keep forgetting about Bournival. It always felt like O’byrne left in the off season, considering the amount of games he played for us this year. I suppose there’s also Gallagher who’s just as small as Desharnais and clearly gifted.

  20. Exit716 says:

    I’m sure Eller will go if and when Gauthier addresses the forward position. Right now it’s about saving face for Gauthier rather than letting the kid develop in the AHL.

  21. Exit716 says:

    He had to review his notes, Robert.

     

  22. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    MIKE GRIER? Have you ever watched a Sabres game? He is useless… slow, weak, stone hands. I’d laugh if i wasn’t frightened by the thought.

  23. andrewberkshire says:

    We didn’t win though, and Boston is now the only non-expansion team in the east that hasn’t been in the conference finals since 1993.

  24. light_n_tasty says:

    Thankful?  If the Bruins win that series we are in the cup finals!

  25. king ddd says:

    for f**k sakes can people cut down on the get neil to montreal ASAP. yes i myself wanted him with the habs, but c’mon niel is one guy. ok so in a match like today say he goes against thornton, then what, who goes against mcquaid,  hortoon , lucic, boychuck? can niel clone himself to fight them all. if you want the habs to toughen up, it would  another makeover. one guy isnt going to change the team.

  26. Stooof says:

    Someone explain how Campbell made it through that game with 0 PIM.  

  27. Chuck says:

    Photo of the night:

    http://habsinsideout.com/images/46330

    Too many good captions come to mind.

     

  28. RGM says:

    You know, usually after a Habs loss I tend to be pretty gloomy for the rest of the evening. This game? Not so much. It reached a point in the second period where it wasn’t about the W and the two points so much as it was about establishing dominance. In the first period the Bruins imposed their will on the Canadiens. When 5’7″ Brian Gionta went flying after that puke Marchand and incited a brawl, that intimidation stuff stopped. It ended. The rest of the game was a war between two teams that are both primed to prove a point this season. They won some of the scraps. We won some of the scraps. With the exception of three guys that were stapled to the bench, this team came together in a big way tonight. They all had each other’s backs, they all stepped up to defend one another. After the ridiculous Subban/Gill stuff in the media the last couple days, we saw exactly what Hal and PK think of one another out on the ice tonight when they engaged in Bruins that were messing with them. The team lost the game but it showed a ton of pride and character in the defeat. They don’t, right now, have the personnel to go to war and be successful every night against a team of thugs & goons like those on the Bruins and Flyers rosters. But they showed that they have the fire to be willing and able to step up to the plate. It’ll be up to the general manager to get some extra bodies to ensure that they can get on an even keel and go in there night in and night out and emerge on top.

    Go Habs Go!

  29. BeachHabFan says:

    we need a mean streak or we’re playoff qualifiers and not much more.  i freakin hate seeing our goalie get smacked in the head without a really nasty retribution. they tried, but shoving ain’t responding. without a mean streak we’re not goin far in the playoffs (besides Bos and Phil, wash has chimera, erskine, ovie’s hits; the pens have cooke, talbot, rupp, orkpik…) i love what pyatt brings in terms of speed and pk, and he was great in playoffs, but we need a tootoo/umberger/arnott type to, shall we say, ‘multi-task’ more effectively. Weber has shown a lot of potential, but i’d feel much better would with a guy like carkner back there to smack people around once in awhile

    i’ve defended gomez a bunch of times but man, he was brutal. he drew one penalty, and that was it. that’s two games in a row he’s stank up the joint.

    in terms of the rough and tumble, the boys held their own – price was fine, pouliot did great, nobody backed down, moen whipped ference – and those last three fights (spacek, hamr, pyatt) were bulls–t — WHY DID MARTIN HAVE THEM ON THE ICE???? you’re down by three – you’re gonna lose, so lose hard. moen did his job protecting pleks after the slash, but fer cryn out loud jacques, throw on some guys who can at least hold their own out there. darche, gill, halpern, moen and hamr would have been my choice – none of them killers but none of them a-list talent and all of them could have defended themselves a bit better.

     

  30. ooder says:

    wonder what will come of gomez and ak46

    i feel bad for eller being stuck with those 2 bums.

    they were just sitting there laughing and talking while the rest of the team was working there asses off and fighting back.

    and scott gomez has an “A” on his shirt?!?!? this is an insult to gill, gionta, pleks, gorges, markov

    you name it.

    Gomez a leader… would a leader play this badly in a 4 point game? would a leader sit back on the bench and joke around with another underperforming underacheiving player…

    name me one time when koivu, gionta, markov, gill were sitting on the bench laughing it up in a game like this after playing so poorly?

    is there any professional pride left in thsoe 2…

    i would be humiliated sitting on the bench watching teammate after teammate being involved and fighting for every inch of ice or against someone else..

    pathetic… i said earlier that unless Gomez has an amazing playoff run.. this season is a failure of epic proprtions for him… even ignoring the paycheck… he is brought in for a purpose and all too many times he has underachieved and not answered the bell

    as for ak46.. well when one of your supposed assistant captain’s and top centers is joking around with you, well not much of an example is being set.

    although at his stage ak46 should know what is expected of him and shouldn’t beed constant motivation

    sorry for the rant guys

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

  31. light_n_tasty says:

    So, were we too small to play the Bruins for the previous 5 games?  We lose by 2 goals to our bitches.  We’ll still win 5 of 6 against them.  I mean, they need 8 goals to beat us.  How often is that gonna happen?

    Oh, and Gomez is useless.

  32. Robert L says:

    One very important point made by Bergeron on L’Antichambre had to do with the Martin going into the third period, knowing much of what would happen, and using only three lines. No doubt that Gomez and his mates deserved some punishment. Myself, I’d have thrown them out for the final two minutes of the game.

  33. Black Snake Moen says:

    For the love of god, trade for Chris Neil and give the Sens AK and whatever draft picks they’d need to take him off our hands.  He has got to go.  Call up Ryan White, I love Tommy, but he’s in been in a real slump 5-on-5 for a whole year and others guys should get a look.  He showed balls tonight, but of course that clown Campbell won’t hear a peep about smashing a guy with an elbow pad.  What a coward.  Same goes for boychuk and Thornton.  Classic bully/mob mentality syndrome.  They hear all those idiot in the crowd start yelling and they decide that means they can go after a clearly defenseless Spacek.  They are so lucky Wiz is forced not to go anybody because of our depth issues.  Seriously have you ever seen this guy chuck em? Boychuck would be flat on his ass right now.  

  34. habs001 says:

    are we keeping ak46 because he may produce with another team? it is a pretty good bet he will not produce in the playoffs for us…eller after a slow start played well for a while but now he just looks like he is out of gas..right now even a moore or lupul type player would help the team more than eller…eller will be much better next year..while pyatt gives effort he has no scoring abilities and his d play has dropped..pouliot has to produce more in big games and in the playoffs…but we still have to give this team a lot of credit as it has performed way above its overall talent level…again i ask if our forward line up was the leafs,flyers or bruins would not most hab fans have very few positive comments about that roster…but than this shows you dont win games on paper…

  35. SUMO says:

    Emotional game tonite. Appreaciate all the contributors who tried to keep it pos+ and non-antagonistic in here. Hard to do when emotions run hot.

    Our young nucleaus is going to be pretty special; Price, Subban, Weber, Pacioretty, Eller, Deharnais and Pouliot. These guys were not intimidated and they battle. 

    Gomez is untradable; AHL? It almost looks like hes quit on the team. Something is not right with him.

  36. Naveed says:

    The Habs need to beef up because every other team especially our rivals understand how to defeat the Habs…Beat them down! Philly & Boston will continue their show of force and the NHL will condone any act these two teams in order to continue filling up seats in the U.S.
    Our defense was exposed. Our forwards were hammered without retribution. Subban and Price were targeted throughout the game and no one could really defend them.

    In my humble opinion, I believe the Habs need to make major changes to their 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines. You need to bring in grity players like Jason Arnott, Chris Neil, Jarko Ruutu, RJ Umberger, David Clarkson, Mike Grier, Anthony Stewart etc…Gomez needs to be put in the pressbox or buried on the 4th line… We need a true big time center like Arnott. Our defense needs big, strong and experienced bodies. Defenseman who are willing to play dirty and mix it up. I know we have a limited cap space but I think Gauthier really needs to make some major moves and bring in some energy.

  37. Robert L says:

    The score is an illusion and past wins don’t much matter now. The Canadiens never led in the game. All that Montreal proved was that it needs more size and toughness.

  38. BeachHabFan says:

    i feel better reading your response. they did indeed stand up for each other, i just wish they had at least one other guy who was a proven fighter besides moen. now, back to the jamesons…

  39. Habscore says:

    On ‘l’Antichambre’, they showed JM having a deep discussion with the Refs on their way to the locker room. The discussion seemed very serious!! About time he spitted some words about the unfair officiating.
    ……………………………………………………………….

    YES HABS CAN!!

  40. Robert L says:

    Game’s over by then.

  41. SeriousFan09 says:

    If there was a campaign to get Umberger to the Habs, I’d be all over it, after Nash he’s the best player in Columbus right now and a resolute player who doesn’t seem to be slowed down by anything but Neil is hardly a game-breaking force. He’s one of three guys you line up on a checking group to really cause chaos.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  42. Naveed says:

    True… But the addition of two big bodies would make an impact. I hope a culture change would be considered in the summer

  43. sidhu says:

    Big character game tonight.  We didn’t give up, even at the end we scored on the PP and didn’t back down from the goons. 

    It was painful — in such an emotional game, against a big rival, a 4-pointer — that Gomez and AK46 were so lax on the backcheck.  They didn’t seem to care at all. 

    I’ve knocked Pyatt, but he at least showed some heart tonight, which Gomez and AK46 failed to do. 

    As for Eller, the guy rarely quits, but he may be a fish out of water at this point — he should be in the AHL where he can truly develop and gain some confidence offensively.  (If he to ever produce, it won’t be through some magical miracle in the NHL, it will be through development in the AHL.)

    The Habs needed to bulk up even before tonight — but tonight should be the final evidence necessary to convince PG that we are too small. 

    Forget Philips (he has a terrible +/-) and forget Kaberle (he will cost us our youth).  We need to get tougher (see Ryan White, David Clarkson, David Backes). 

    Can’t wait for March 8.

    Go Habs Go!

  44. Naveed says:

    I’ve been a fan of Umberger ever since he dismantled the Habs in the playoffs a couple of years ago. I think he can be a great addition to the team. If you bring in Umberger & Neil along with a top 4 defenseman… The Habs would be better for it.

  45. king ddd says:

    if they can throw in jared boll it would be sweet, but our coach isnt the type of coach who uses his toughies well

  46. SeriousFan09 says:

    Boll probably wouldn’t get much time from JM but he’d like Umberger, solid two-way player who’s a leader on the ice. Tough but talented is the key, JM doesn’t like the first without the other really.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  47. Timo says:

    To sum it up. Great game, lots of positive. 

    Good night all and may Gomez never ever see ice again.

  48. Naveed says:

    I think Martin now understands what his team is facing… When his favorite player Pyatt gets destroyed by Gregory Campbell without any punitive damage from the officials. It must make him think… He did say he will never forget what the Bruins did tonight. Expect some major moves by the Habs during the next two weeks

  49. WestHab says:

    Bazzar game. I just whish Carey wouldn’t have been so nice to tt.

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  50. king ddd says:

    i ve never seen the guy play but but boll is young, big and is a decent scorer for a fourth line player . with all due respect to pyatt( i just have more respect for him after tonight) boll would be an upgrade over him.

  51. RJB says:

    Short memory ladies and gents, Isles tomorrow and the good ol’ make me laughs on Saturday. Good chance to get 4 points and back on track.

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” – Bilbo Baggins

  52. anotherhab says:

    It all stems to JM and perhaps and hopefully not PG that we can win with speed and don’t need some toughness and size !!! Pleks, Gionta, Gomez, AK are part of our top 6 and lack toughness — this is hockey not pingpong!!!!

  53. Chuck says:

    It would have been good to see, but Carey was undoubtedly thinking of his team first. Busting up his hand in a meaningless fight would have been the absolute worst thing that could have happened to this team.

  54. FormalWare says:

    I’ve been a Lars Eller booster, all season–but I’ll admit, right now, that he’s got to be moved. Moved off the wing! Moved off a line featuring two floaters! If a centre position isn’t available on the big squad, right now, send him down, for awhile. “Fish out of water,” someone posted. Agreed. It’s too bad!

  55. WestHab says:

    gomez may be the one smurf too many.

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  56. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gotta respect what Pyatt did tonight but he’s not a real grit player and he doesn’t seem to have any offensive talent for the NHL level, any kind of real grit player would be an upgrade for the Habs.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  57. king ddd says:

    lmao, lets all hate on AK, but mark my words AK is a trade away from reaching the belarussian superstar status, jus ask his bro and Mr.grabowski

  58. PeterD says:

    After what we all watched tonight…Gomez, and AK and Eller floating around in a game where the other guys were clearly out for blood, Habs blood, it needs to be very clear that we can not afford to carry players whose stock is declining more than it is rising and that don’t seem to give enough of a crap to bother showing up for the team.

    In hockey, players and picks (ultimately players) are considered assets. In the investment world, stocks are considered assets.  In the case of a stock, when a stock continues to perform and has some short term performance issues the investor needs to consider whether to continue to hold them or sell them and cut their losses.  If it is considered that the stock is only suffering a short term set back then they will continue tohold them.  But the successful investor will often cut their losses quickly to prevent a massive slide in overall protfolio performance.  Remember the NOrtel success story and then ultimate colapse a few years ago?   Nortel performed so well everyone bought in and then once Nortel started collapsing a lot of investors hung on thinking the price will come back, but guess what, it didn’t.  Those that saw the stock had seen better days and that it would not again reach it’s high level of performance and sold the stock (even at a loss) locked in value, those that hung on, lost all value that they once had in Nortel.  So what does this have to do witwh Hockey and the current version of the Habs?

    In the case of Gomez, and AK, their stock has dropped and I do not believe the team will see any significant regaining of previous performance or in AK’s case the acheivement of his perceived potential.  Eller, I think has longer term upside and we have not seen enough of him to consider cutting our losses.

    However, In the case of Gomez and AK, these team assests are becoming a drag on the teams performance and need to be moved and dropped from our “portfolio”.  Neither player will again acheive the type of success they once acheived or rise to some mythical dreamed of potential that has been hoped for in AK’s case.  Tonight’s game it was very clear we need more size and toughness up front and on the D.

    I would encourage the team to cut it’s losses, sell the assets that are dragging us down and not helping move us forward and bring in assets that can and will contribute to team success…and at this point I don’t care if we overpay in a swap of Gomez and AK for what we may not think is value for value back…AK is dead to this team and as we see with his brother, he could acheive much higher levels outside of Montreal…but really who cares if he does or doesn’t perform on his next team?  The bottom line is he is not, will not or can not perform for us in Montreal, and with that in mind why would we want to keep him around any longer.  Gomez just does not seem to get that he owes his employer a quality performance to the best of his ability every single night, not just when and if he decides he wants to perform.

  59. badbalance says:

    These kind of games are bound to happen, at least it wasn’t a blowout and it stayed within 2 goals. Could’ve went either way, D and goaltenders were taking an offnight. Hopefully this game is a good team builder, sticking up for each other against the big bad bruins.

  60. Chuck says:

    The ultimate worst thing about tonight’s game is that the NHL will use it to trumpet to all of the mouth-breathers why hockey is the greatest game on the planet.

  61. WestHab says:

    Whenever A bruin player had a Hab in that kinda of position they didn’t stop punching. Carey and Pouilot both took pity when they had the chance to pulverize their oppoent. Does this mean they were afraid of retalition or just classier?

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  62. Kooch7800 says:

    no one really.  Why did we let Greg stewart go?  He wasn’t that bad defensively and was physical.  A lot more than Pyatt.

    Poor guy got tuned last night

  63. Chuck says:

    Keep in mind that the ultimate goal for a hockey team is not to win a particular game, but to win the Stanley Cup. For the ‘Big Bad Bruins’, their goon tactics have won them exactly ZERO Stanley Cups since 1971.

    If anything, last night showed why the Bruins will NOT win the Cup again this year: staked to a 2-goal lead due mainly to Hab defensive errors, they played a style of hockey that allowed their opponent to score SIX goals on them, including four on the power play.

    If the Habs played even a LITTLE more responsibly on defense, the media in Boston this morning would be freaking out about how the Bruins’ lack of discipline had cost them the game.

  64. StevieRay says:

    Want a shovel ?? I ‘ll even did the hole

  65. Chris says:

    Sure.  Carolina won with a good mix of big strong players (Cole, Staal, Brind’Amour, Ward, Commodore) and speed (Whitney, Williams, Stillman, Hedican, Cullen) in 2006. 

    Anaheim also featured a good mix of strength (Getlzaf, Perry, Penner, Pronger, O’Donnell) and speed (McDonald, Niedermayer, Selanne)  in 2007. 

    Chicago had some strength (Byfuglien, Keith, Seabrook, Louwer, Ladd) mixed in with their elite level skill guys (Kane, Toews, Hossa).

    My point was that the Habs struggle with the Flyers/Bruins like teams in the playoffs.  It doesn’t mean everybody does.  It doesn’t mean the Habs can’t win the Stanley Cup…Pittsburgh wasn’t blessed with a lot of grit when they won two years ago.  It just means they will be in tough if they face either of those teams, as the physical grind of playing against them night after night wears down the Habs’ skill players like Plekanec, Gionta, Gomez and especially the defencemen.

  66. Kooch7800 says:

    You mean trading for Gomer.  Even Gainey would not be insane enough to give Gomez that kind of dough.  That was all Glen Sather

  67. Kooch7800 says:

    We are stuck with Gomez.  No one will take that contract.  The only thing you can do is bury him in the minors a la souray or Redden

     

  68. Chris says:

    We’ll obviously never know the answer, but I simply don’t believe that the Habs would have been killed in any series in 2009.  A great example of this is 1986…the Habs finished the year 6th overall at 40-33-7, which indicates that they were a decent team.  They finished 6th in goals for, and 4th in goals against.  Again, great numbers.

    The story the numbers don’t tell is how much THAT team was falling apart down the stretch.  The Habs closed that season out 10-16-2.  Jean Perron had become a pariah to the players, who basically stopped listening to him. 

    We know how the story ended.  The team’s veterans, led by Bob Gainey and Larry Robinson, basically took the bull by the horns just before the playoffs.  Patrick Roy, who had been somewhat average in the regular season as a rookie, suddenly turned into Jacques Plante.  And all the dangerous teams that might have feasted on them (Philadelphia, Washington, Edmonton) were upset before the Habs ever saw them, throwing the doors open for anybody to win.

    I don’t think that 2008-09 team was quite as doomed as everybody made them out to be.  I’m not sure they win any playoff rounds, but I certainly think they would have been competitive with most teams.  The teams leaders tried to carry them:  Koivu, Kovalev and Higgins all played well in that series.  The difference between 1986 and 2009 was that the team’s young players and role players in 2009 wet the bed.

  69. Mark C says:

    I bet you didn’t know The Departed was a documentary.

    All-time classic line, Boone!

  70. Chris says:

    Good catch…I forgot that Leighton took over in the finals.

  71. habs001 says:

    good points…but i also believe we are fairly weak at forward talent level…if we had 3 more gions types instead of pyatt,pouliot,moen we would be way better off yet we would be even smaller…

  72. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Frustrating loss, but the boys battled hard until the end.  I haven’t read the comments but i’m sure they are filled with rants about our size, our toughness, Gomez-AK-Eller, Martin, PG, etc.

    Before everyone starts to panic about how this team isn’t built to beat a team like Boston, remember that this team has been beating Boston pretty consistently for the last 3 or 4 years (minus an unfortunate playoff series).  The Bruins needed that one, and deserved it.  No need to worry.

    If I were Gomez I would feel pretty bad about tonight.  I think the media is too hard on Gomez, particularly when comments are made about his salary.  It’s tired, and he shouldn’t have to be reminded that he is overpaid.  I’m sure he realizes it just as much as the rest of us.  He’s a professional, and he will bounce back.

    No need to fret so much about size.  The Canadiens will never be built like Boston, at least not in the next few years.  Fans can keep crying about size and toughness, but it’s not going to help.  The Montreal Canadiens, as far back as I can recall, have never been built like Boston (size, toughness).  Stanley Cup Count: Montreal 2, Boston 0.  I’d buy it if they consistently use their style to outplay the Habs, but they don’t. 

    Bottom line is, we all hate the Bruins.  We lost a frustrating/spirited game we all wished we could have won.  Imagine how Boston’s felt the last 7 or 8 games.

  73. SeriousFan09 says:

    Chris, the way the Habs were floundering in 2009 any of the other 7 playoff teams would have smashed us to bits, 2008 and 2010 are good examples but who the Canadiens in 2009 had nothing to do with whey they lost, they defeated themselves and that is why Gainey blew the team up.

    They obviously need to add some muscle, but the use of Pacioretty and their policy of drafting and signing undrafted free agents that tend to be 6′ over would indicate that they’re on the right track to deal with the issue. It’s just never going to be solved fast enough to some people’s content.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  74. Jdub1985 says:

    fyi … it was Boucher in 2010 and he wasnt hot – the habs handed him 3 SOs on a silver platter :)

  75. habs001 says:

    maybe weaker vs montreal but if stats mean anything the bruins have scored 24 more goals than the habs…given up 14 less and have picked up 9 more points on the road…

  76. Chris says:

    The issue is not that the team is too small, it is that it is not particularly adept when games become extremely physical.  And I don’t think that that requires a suspension of disbelief.

    In 2007-08, Montreal was summarily turfed in the second round by a big, fast and physical Philadelphia team that was intent on driving the net (think of the damage that Umberger did against the Habs that season) and punishing the less physical Montreal defencemen.  Montreal lost in 5 games and was outscored 20-14.  Montreal DID beat Boston in the first round that season, but the series went a perhaps not so surprising seven games despite the fact that Monreal entered the playoffs as the first seed.

    In 2008-09, Montreal was annihilated in the first round in four games by a big, fast and physical Boston team, being outscored 17-6 in 4 games.

    In 2009-10, the Canadiens upset the fast and skilled Pittsburgh Penguins and Washington Capitals before being utterly trounced by the big, fast and physical Philadelphia Flyers, being outscored 21-7.

    Losing once to a physical team that has the speed to skate with you is an anomaly.  Losing twice makes you think.  Losing three times in three years to that type of team is a trend. 

    What is the culprit in those games?  Montreal’s defence is obviously vulnerable to those types of teams, as evidenced by the dramatically higher scores in those series than what you typically see against the other teams.  The other culprit is an offence that disappears.

    If you want suspension of disbelief, it comes in when people discuss how the Habs lost those playoff rounds.  The popular party line amongst many Habs fans is that we simply ran into hot goaltenders:  Tim Thomas and Martin Biron in 2007-08, Tim Thomas in 2008-09 and Michael Leighton in 2009-10.  The reality is that in all those games, Montreal generated lots of shots from the perimiter, but struggled to get to the net against the likes of the physical defence corps (think Chris Pronger, Matt Carle, Kimmo Timonen and Brayden Coburn or Chara, Ward, Montador and Chara).  They fired pucks into those goalies…in not one of those series did I really have the impression that the goalie “stood on his head”, but simply that the Habs made those goalies look good by not being able to generate the kind of net traffic that gives goaltenders fits.

    Montreal fans love to trot out the average size and weight stat as evidence that there is no statistical evidence to the team being too small.  The problem is that we willfully ignore that even the team’s biggest players (Hal Gill, Benoit Pouliot, Lars Eller, Alexander Picard, Andrei Kostitsyn and Travis Moen) are not particularly physical, with the exception of Moen occasionally.  We willfully ignore that the Habs top-6 plays very small and really have trouble scoring goals when faced by powerful defencemen that know their game.  We willfully ignore that with the possible exception of Roman Hamrlik, the Habs defencemen are almost universally brutal at keeping the front of the net clear of traffic because they lack the size and strength to out-jockey the guys who are fighting with them for that real estate.

    Pacioretty has improved a ton in the physical department.  But the Habs simply don’t have the muscle to compete with strong defencemen up front.  They have to rely on speed and agility.  When they run into opposing fowards that can skate with them and imposing defence corps that can’t be burned with speed, the team really struggles.  Unfortunately, two such teams lurk within the East (Philadelphia and Boston).

    I still haven’t seen any compelling evidence that convinces me that the NHL is not a rock-paper-scissors league.  The Habs are the scissors, cutting teams up with their counter-attack and darting forwards.  They don’t do well against the rock, the physically imposing teams like the Flyers and Bruins, come playoff time.  We’ll see if the narrative changes this year.

  77. Jdub1985 says:

    Who currently in the minors could make a statement for the Habs?

    I remember greats such as Dwyer and Langdon. How about Henry?

     

  78. temekuhabs says:

    just watched the game, and though we lost on the scoreboard (and in the alley) I was pleased that mostly everybody “stuck up” for their teammates. NOBODY backed down with 59 sec to go, even when the oposing coach had that LINE out there against Pyatt, Spacek et al. Them Broons know if they try to match us straight up, (speed, skill) they will get killed. So, in goes the “goon up” plan. Im sure PG will bring up or in a coiuple players, so that the Phlyers and Broons will think twice about roughing up our skill players.

  79. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Tonight’s game was one of those double-expresso games. The ones that jolt us awake from the happy slumber of complacency brought on by too many late-game rallies, and stellar Price performances. Our record masks an age-old flaw that gets suddenly revealed whenever we play teams like the Flyers, Bruins, and even the Leafs. We are small down the middle and we have no “true” fourth line — i.e. one capable of going out and banging the opposing d-men, rattling the goalie, and dishing out pay-back when opponents start running the likes of Pleks and Gionta. Don’t get me wrong, I love Halpern. But we desperately need some tough wingers alongside him. Think Moen when he was younger and still hit with effect.

    Meanwhile, I’m tired of complaining about Gomez. We NEED a big second-line center. Just don’t see how it will happen. And AK I’ve been holding out hope for. But that hope is waning to nothing. It’s sad to see so much potential squandered. Eller, meanwhile…, well, everyone knows he should have been in Hamilton for months now. Certainly since Desharnais was promoted and took over Eller’s center position. Is Gauthier merely obstinately holding out hope that that trade won’t look as lopsided as it was?

    Finally, there is no getting around the absence of Markov and Gorges. Gill and Subban were particularly bad tonight. And overall, our defense looked completely rattled in our own end. Nervous with the puck, and flat-footed against surprisingly fast Bruins forwards (why, again, did Gainey not want to re-sign Ryder in 08?).

    The rest of this season will still be fun, and we are likely to make the playoffs. But we won’t go far without a valid second line, nor an effective fourth line, nor a slow, aged (or, in Subban and Weber’s case, inexperienced) d corps. 

    I await Gauthier’s moves. Mind you, his record so far (as nicely measured by Godin and Leclerc in Rue F. and LaPresse) doesn’t fill me with optimism.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  80. MathMan says:

    Two things.

    “Too small”: seriously, this is immensely overrated. Especially in a game like this (see below), the Habs’ like of size was not a primary driver in the outcome. This gets trotted out every time the Habs get beaten by Boston (or Philly), but it’s a facile explanation that sidesteps looking at the real causes. It’s a story that lives on its own inertia, really; it’s never really been a problem, but since it’s reputed to have been a problem forever, it lends weight to the idea that it still is.

    It never comes up when Montreal beats Boston — which is still the more common occurence, oddly enough given Montreal’s supposedly crippling lack of size. (And it’s not been a major factor in the playoffs either despite publicity to the contrary that sometimes stretched suspension of disbelief — the 2007-2008 Philly series was especially egregious in that regard.)

    As usual, the Habs weren’t intimidated by the Bruins and, as usual, the sideshow had no real bearing on the game.

    Second: on that note, let’s talk about the game itself and its significance. How often do you see 8-6 games?

    You don’t. It was a fluke, a freak occurence. I don’t see how it is sensible to draw any kind of conclusion from this. It’s pointless to try to dissect a freak show when 99% of the game look nothing like this.

    So relax. A single freak game is not indicative of a major problem that needs an immediate and radical fix. Odds are something like this won’t happen again for 3 seasons.

    I’m more worried about what it means for the Habs, as they try to catch up to a Boston team I genuinely believe is weaker than Montreal. But then again, the 6-spot is not a bad place to be, as opening the playoffs vs. Boston is a pretty good spot for the Habs.

  81. tophab says:

    did any of them big strong fast teams win the cup ?  NO’ so whats your point?

  82. StevieRay says:

    What about my boy Benny …. one punch put down on Kreijc.. ever took his helmet off first ..
    Float like a butterfly ….sting like a Bee !!
    As for Gomez .. well if he doesn’t turn it around PG must address it …

  83. zak says:

    Sather must have been doing cartwheels when Gainey wanted gomez.Sather signed him but Gainey traded for him. 29 other GM’s wouldn’t touch that contract.There’s a sucker born every day eh.

  84. zak says:

    When Licic was giving Cary a rough time Gill should have flattened him.Instead he wrapped his arms around him . Knuckles Nilan said on the CJAD post game show you hug you mother. He was disgusted.We need Zack Skortini and Chris Neil on the 4th line

  85. Cool Ice Price says:

    I’m get sick to my stomach everytime I see Gomez & AK.

    Gainey’s WORST move move by far getting Gomez. What can they do now. That move will haunt the Habs for years!

  86. The Cat says:

    The Bruins are a superior team in mostly every way, but the habs have the voodoo on them kinda like Chicago does on Vancouver. So, that coupled with the fact the bruins lost a 3-0 series lead to Philly and that Halak did the impossible and survived a pepperring of biblical proportions against Washington kinda muddles how these 2 teams compare to one another.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  87. SeriousFan09 says:

    Boston’s lost 3 of their last 4 playoff series to Montreal. They’ve lost of 8 of their last 10 regular season matches to us. If not for a horrific night by the Gomez line, this would have been a W by the Habs. The Bruins are not the Flyers, they’re not even in the same ballpark. Their team is generally lead-footed and the Habs most of the time just burn them with skating.

    Chara may measure to Pronger in dominance at the blue line, but the comparisons between their blue lines end there, the Canadiens would never have been able to get six goals against the Flyers and their D the way the Habs are right now. Richards is better than Bergeron, Giroux is better than Krejci and with Savard on the shelf why even bother bringing up Carter? I hate the Flyers but they are also a much better team than Boston.

    Nothing happened Lucic and Moen because Lucic only hits people when their backs are turned or he thinks he’s getting an easy fight. He’s a habitual coward when it’s time to show how ‘tough’ he actually is.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  88. rhino514 says:

    Completely off the topic, but regarding the Subban-Gill story which was a joke, the comments by Picard weren´t. And they seem to be simply a footnote.

    He actually said “i´ve seen things here that wouldn´t be accepted on three quarters of nhl teams”.

    I find this comment out of place for a player tomake about his team. I wouldn´t want a guy suiting up for me who says something like that. Imagine if player taking normal shifts for the team would have said something like that.

    It also makes you wonder what indeed is going on in the habs locker room. The habs are usually represented as a team with average or slightly above average but with great character and where every player is on the same page; a team of mature, unified players.

  89. G-Man says:

    Seems to me the Habs had a big game against the Flyers recently and did the same thing: completely messed the rink.

    With a chance to take over the lead in the NE division, pow, splat,boom! An 8-6 loss. The whole team sucked, just like that night in Philly.

    It being the 10th of February, it is easy to say this: Habs will not go far in the playoffs. A first round exit looks very likely. This team is way too soft and it’s sandpaper guys aren’t tough enough to be on any other team (are you through talking to Lucic, Moen? Is that all you’re going to do? Really?).

    The Habs may be fast and flashy, but the lack of physicality in their play makes them an ideal opponent for the rough and tumble teams like Boston and the Flyers. Hate those 2 teams all you want, but they realize that goonery works in tandem with skill. Montreal has too little of both to compete for the Cup.

  90. KamiDave says:

    That’s exactly it, it never comes up when we beat one of these teams like Boston, (size) yet when we lose it’s the sole reason. Besides the outcome, tonights game didn’t make the Habs look like a pushover team by any means. 

    I’m from the west (BC/Kamloops, come to Montreal about once a year and stay in NGD usually, god bless Cosmos and their greasy, fantastic food) and rarely get to see any Habs games live, a nice robe selling rabbi sold me some tickets last time I was in town and I saw one of what I feel was the best (and I think I read most penalty filled of the season) and baddest games between these two teams, (I believe the score was 7-5 us) and this wasn’t far off from that as far as what happened. 

    There was a lot to like, and I, like a lot of people here would want to see Boston in the first round more than anyone else. May not be rational, just sort of my gut feeling. 

    Either way I never post based on the fact usually whatever I’m thinking has already been posted far more intelligently, just want to put my two bits in that I didn’t feel that tonights outcome was a size issue. That and wanted to say Mike Boone is super sexy.

    But yeah, Gomez, not so good tonight. Whatever. 

    Oh, and man I hate Lucic!

  91. habs001 says:

    you are the most realistic of all fans…many times you have stated the habs are several years away from being a top contender…but as fans many of us get fooled when the team wins a few games and we dream that this team can suprise and win the cup…but the reality is that this habs team would be one of the weakest teams ever to win the cup..

  92. sidhu says:

    Who cares – I’m glad he got his bell rung.

  93. bigdave says:

    he looked a hell of alot bigger when he took on Cammy!

     

     

    “The Allo Police Media – a collection of bitter ex-coaches, players and wannabees whose collective lack of success accounts for their present positions in Sports’ equivalent of a Jerry Springer Show”

  94. Chuck says:

    Well, he looked pretty small crawling around the ice looking like he had dropped his dentures.

  95. SlovakHab says:

    David Krejci is not a big forward. About the same size as Plekanec. 180 lbs.

  96. anotherhab says:

    Did you watch the fight!!!!  Even my wife caught it and she doesn’t watch hockey!!! he was beat down by an elbow pad — hence the severe damage!!! Collie should be proud of his son!!!!!  

  97. larisalapointe says:

    With an elbow pad? Yeah he’s really the man.

  98. bigdave says:

    And take away his elbow pads!

     

     

     

    “The Allo Police Media – a collection of bitter ex-coaches, players and wannabees whose collective lack of success accounts for their present positions in Sports’ equivalent of a Jerry Springer Show”

  99. Mike Boone says:

    Exactly. I’m sure his father will ground him for the weekend.

  100. habsfan321 says:

    I’ve said this on Twitter, but it’s worth repeating. If this didn’t happen on the ice during a hockey game, Campbell would be arrested, charged with aggravated assault and be facing potential jail time. He repeatedly bashed Pyatt’s head in with a weapon, in this case an elbow bad.

    I have no problem with fights, I love them… but this was extremely dirty. I would suspend him for 5 games minimum. If daddy doesn’t want to do anything about it, Bettman has to step in.

  101. temekuhabs says:

    Think anything will happen to him Mr. Boone??

  102. ooder says:

    easy.. it’s hard to boost the plus side when you don’t put up any points when given roughly 20 minutes of playing time

    ——————

    GWG = game winning gionta!

  103. OneTimer says:

    Sigh…I defend Gomez when I can, but after a game like this, I don’t know if I can do it tonight

  104. habsfan321 says:

    I would make Gomez a healthy scratch tomorrow. If that doesn’t send a message, I don’t know what will.

  105. SeriousFan09 says:

    Agree, at a certain point it becomes relevant. Souray was -28 with the Habs in 2006-2007, no one else was worse than -10 amongst regular Ds. Andrei Markov, who is the only person Souray was behind in total TOI was +2.

    Gomez needs an intervention from the entire team.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  106. Bill says:

    I haven’t criticized Gomez in a while, but how can he be -14?? That is so much worse than any other Hab! And hey, former Bantam superstars and arm-chair analysts, spare me the whole “+/- is a meaningless stat” routine, because when you are that much lower than anyone else on your team, it does mean something.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  107. Bill says:

    Claude Julien is a clown and a scumbag. I was glad when he got fired by the Habs and I’m just as glad every time the Habs beat him and eveyr time the Bruins choke in the playoffs.

    Has there ever been a game between the Habs and Bruins that that fat, bald walking phallus hasn’t put goons on in the last minute? Hammer and Spacek are old veterans, not scrappers, and have been in the league too long to have to get jumped like that.

    Julien deserves to get mugged. He’s got no class, no brains, and no guts.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  108. Keith says:

    And no balls as well.

  109. Robert L says:

    Most of this version, doesn’t quit.

  110. SeriousFan09 says:

    Still, they could’ve given up as we’ve seen in previous Habs teams where everyone including the kids just folded up when a game went badly against them save Gorges, Markov and Koivu.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  111. temekuhabs says:

    Didnt have the “pleasure” of watching the game, though I have recorded it. I’ll make my own observations after I view. Thought Julien had more class then to send out the thuggery in a 8-5  game?? 

  112. Keith says:

    Good analysis Chuck, and I like it that you see some positives from this game, but the Habs do need to get some size (with a little skill) in the lineup. I would have White in the lineup on March 8th and by then PG could have swung a deal for some size perhaps.

  113. HardHabits says:

    My aren’t we a ray of sunshine this evening.

  114. Chuck says:

    Strangely enough, a lot to like tonight.

    They potted SIX goals on statistically the best goalie in the league, and though Price was scored on eight times, I’ll argue that he still played the better game. His 16 saves–many of them fantastic–in the first period gave them something to play for in the second period and for the rest of the game.

    They were the authors of their own destiny. They lost because, quite frankly, they played defense like crap. It wasn’t a case of them trying to play a run-and gun game and fail, and they didn’t get beaten by a team that far outplayed them, either. Simply put, the Bruins made fewer mistakes. Had the Habs eliminated just two of their bone-headed plays, we’re in overtime with a point in our back pockets.

    The Habs showed absolutely no quit, either. In a game in the opposition’s building, where they’re making mental errors left, right and centre, where the opponents were intent on taking runs at our players and gooning it up right until the end of the game, not one Hab backed down from a confrontation. Pyatt may have got his ass kicked, but he didn’t refuse to dance. Spackec got hit hard, but didn’t back away. Same with Hamrlik, Pleks, Pacioretty and Gionta. Subban was cheap-shotted all over the ice, but kept coming back for more. Moen and Pouliot won their battles (Pouliot with the punch of the night), and Thomas can count his lucky stars that Price didn’t take the fight seriously and do to him what he does to steers on the off-season.

    And did I mention that the power-play showed signs of life, too?

    The Bruins were intent on playing as intimidating a game as you will see this entire season, and when the dust settled, we lost to the Bruins tonight by two goals. Considering how the Habs have absolutely owned the Bruins over the last 8-or-so games, that’s not really a lot in the bragging rights department that go to the guys in black. They can go to sleep knowing that they threw everything thay had at the Canadiens tonight, and it was still barely enough to get the job done.

     

  115. Chuck says:

    He should have also been assessed a game misconduct for willingly punching an opponent with equipment below his wrist, which is exactly where his elbow pad was when he was hitting Pyatt in the face.

  116. Mike Boone says:

    Boychuk bravely took on Jaro Spacek.

  117. Bill says:

    No, it was 6’0″, 197lb Campbell. Not a huge size differential there. Credit to Campbell for a serious beat-down.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  118. B says:

    I thought it was 6’2″ 225 lb Boychuk who bravely took on 5’11” 187 lb Pyatt. Credit to Pyatt for not backing down.

  119. Kooch7800 says:

    We will lose tonight cause that type of game is emotionally draining and the fact they got beat in every aspect is hard on the mind set.

    Unfortunately, Campbell won’t be touched cause his daddy

  120. Jdub1985 says:

    I hope this guy Cambell who thought it was necessary throwing 30 haymakers into Pyatts face, suffers. In a sport where violence is reglated by respect … (Pouliot dropping Kreji and then backing off) …. This guy Cambell and 2 other behemoths that decided to fight 40+ year old men that have no fight experience, they crossed the line and, I at that point could careless about the tonight’s loss or tomorrows game … that seriously disturbed me and I have no regret when I say I hope a guy like Cambell gets whats coming to him. It is absolutely repulsive and sickening that one human being could continually to beat another human being when they’re down and out, you could perminantly damage or kill somebody. Cambell – if there is a G-d, you have a bad thing coming. As far as I am concerned, this team needs an enforcer, and if there has ever been any doubt – tonight the proof is in the pudding (Price was literally punched down by Lucic and that hunchback got 2 goals and played the entire game untouched) Un####believable.

    I hope Pyatt and the other helpless habs recovers quick and I give them my blessing!

  121. Top Corner says:

    Exactly….and yet there the 1st to WHINE about concussions and woe is us……Goons..and losers !!!

  122. Chuck says:

    Hey, I didn’t say that it was ALL good (Boone pointed out many of the deficiencies above) but it was hardly as bad as many of the sky-is-falling crowd would have you think, either.

  123. Habitoba says:

    Is it just me or did Spacek slip on a stick that was laying around just as he was setting himself up for the fight? It sure looked like he lost his footing, tried to straighten up but got clocked instead.

  124. B says:

    Sorry, my mistake then. I double checked the NHL game stats and Campbell was not listed in the penalty summary. I guess they are still trying to catch up. At least it is not as ridiculous of a size mis match as I thought (even though Pyatt is not a fighting type)

  125. habs001 says:

    a must game coming up vs islanders and it will not be easy and sat game will be way tougher than some posters think as the leafs top 6 forwards will give our d major headaches

  126. Robert L says:

    With respect, I think the individual stats tonight were irrelevant, mostly. But I do get what you are suggesting about a few Habs not mailing it in.

  127. SeriousFan09 says:

    Some reminders about tonight:

    This is only the 2nd time in the last 10 RS meetings that the Bruins have defeated the Habs.

    Max Pacioretty was slashed so badly he had to go the bench immediately. He then scored a goal. Bruins went after his head in garbage time, he came back with another goal. We’ve got a power forward whose response to being hit is scoring goals and he apparently is made of the same stuff as Gorges.

    P.K. Subban is a 25-point defencemen this season, he’s tied for the lead in goals by rookie defencemen and is 3 points behind ANA’s Cam Fowler for the lead.

    Yannick Weber got his first regulation NHL Goal and two more assists, he’s got 10 points in 26GP.

    Do we need more grit in the lineup? Yes but it’s in the system, patience. Conboy and White will get real looks next year, White likely even in the next few days because the clock has to be ticking on Pyatt, he doesn’t have NHL offensive ability, guys like Colton Orr have more points than he does. Eller may be getting sent down to HAM soon. Seems to be out of his depth ATM.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  128. Scott in Montreal says:

    Great point about Max. For me, this game was defined entirely by Claude Julien. Julien came into this game knowing his team needed to clear the “we’re the Habs’ bitches” meme and on that count, he got the job done. They played all-out physical, and all game long – and sometimes dirty, too. Julien knew which team would come out on top in the end. It is not a strategy any team can use for more than a handful of games in a season, because the physical toll is pretty high on your own guys too.

    The indulgent gooning at the end of the third was out of line, however. The league should fine Julien. Putting thugs out at the end to beat guys like Spacek and Pyatt was no-class. Remember when he was fired by Gainey? Phone call. Remember when Lamiorello fired him? Two weeks before the playoffs. There is something particularly despicable about Julien for him to merit such treatment from two of hockey’s most revered gentlemen. We saw a bit of that tonight.

  129. Wayne says:

    Courtesy of Stubbs’ Twitter: Hilarious.

     

    http://twitpic.com/3y6dl4/full

  130. Chuck says:

    If the reporter had any balls, he would have followed it up with a question on Thomas’ thoughts on how his team fought.

  131. larisalapointe says:

    “He fought with ‘fighter’s manners,’ as far as not hitting you when you’re down,” Thomas said. “We were just in the All-Star game together. We’re on friendly terms. It was business. But once business is done, it’s done.”

    Quote from USA Today. There goes the ASG snubbing theory. :)

  132. Habnofear says:

    This is NHL hockey and you need skill,speed ,defence ,scoring,toughness and SIZE!The folkes in BeanTown know this AND NOW THE FANS IN MONTREAL REMEMBER THIS and the the only one’s that don’t, run the team and should know better?

  133. avatar_58 says:

    That game could have gone either way. If not for Gomez and AK46 being disasters and #58 taking a selfish penalty this game was largely winnable. I thought it was the most exciting game all year. So they were beaten. So what. One game out of four is it? Cry me a river. At least they stood up for themselves and put on a hell of a show.

    Bring on the 8th. Can’t wait

  134. The Cat says:

    I agree.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  135. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because it replaces one five minute player with another, get someone who’s useful for more than killing penalties like Pyatt or throwing punchs like Orr.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  136. mbplekfan says:

    We have a five minute player in Pyatt so why not get one with toughness?

    Pyatt adds nothing. He skates really fast and thats about it. The team needs toughness. You have to give up something to get it.

    We have lots of penalty killers. We dont have bangers and fighters.

    We got pounded tonight. The tsn guys were right when they pointed out there isnt anyone on the Habs bench who can answer to Chara, Lucic, and Thornton.

    Im not suggesting the second coming of BGL but some grit and size is needed.

  137. MathMan says:

    I agree — the Habs are much too small to compete against a team like Boston… ;)

  138. Chuck says:

    Since Gainey re-made this team before last season, the Habs are 8-2 versus the Bruins.

    Man, I sure hope that Gauthier lands a few knuckle-dragging meatheads at the trading deadline so that this team will have a chance at beating the big, bad Bruins.

  139. Led says:

    I’m thinking about the few things that Gomez does well (or is it the only thing?); he effectively beats guys through the neutral zone with ease, maybe he should try to beat the last defender more often and take a shot on net.

  140. Steve C. says:

    It’s easy to complain when your team loses, and although I respect his skills and his strength, Lucic is a coward.  He can’t take a hit without going all goonery.  I’m saying this now, but I said the same thing when he unprovokingly popped a Thrashers player a few weeks ago, I think it was Enstrom, I could be wrong.  Subban and Horton get into it late, but there’s Lucic needing to plough P.K. in the boards.  And there he was at the end of the first period shoving Price with no other white shirts around.  Great guy, this Milan Lucic.

    And no, I actually wouldn’t want him on my team.  It may lead to a W, but it’s no way to win.  If you’re gonna fight, do it with someone who’s actually willing.  But those Bruins are all the same.  Campbell fighting with his elbow pad sticking out, Chara jumping Pacioretty during the 2nd period line brawl when his back was turned.  Eh, I just hate the Bruins.

  141. Habitoba says:

    Exactly. We all know how the George Laraque experiment went. He’s now a Green Party-Vegetarian-love advice column writer. But he does all of that with his fighter’s code.

  142. christophor says:

    I don’t want a big body that can’t also play normal hockey. Tonight was not normal hockey. There are a limited number of goon teams. 

    More grit, yes. But also grit that can do something. Lucic and Horton, though I despise them, are not useless outside of 8-6 goonfests.  

  143. SeriousFan09 says:

    We don’t need a 5 minute per game player like Orr and Carcillo is a dirty puke, too often out of control even for the Flyers, he was benched in the Cup Finals because he wouldn’t rein it in and cost his team.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  144. andrewberkshire says:

    3rd round draft pick for Colton Orr? Are you serious? Maybe a 9th round draft pick if the draft still went that long.

  145. Led says:

    I hated Pyatt last year but then in the playoffs he was an extremely effective defensive player. I think in essence he safely fills a roster spot and not much more. I like the kid now but I agree that there should be someone somewhere who would be a cheap upgrade.

  146. mbplekfan says:

    I think Pyatt showed his guts and determination and its going to get him sent down. He doesnt score and adds no toughness. Nice guy but he’s pretty useless.

    Gomez embarassed himself. He needs a meeting with the coaches and PG. His contract and play are killing the team.

    Short term fix is to call up White and release Pyatt outright. PG needs to find a defenceman or a forward with size and toughness who can knock heads and stand up for PK. 3rd round draft pick should be enough for a Colton Orr, Daniel Carcillo type.

    Sorry to say it but that game will be shown around the division and other teams will take note.

     

  147. Chuck says:

    “Hahaha… the calves that I rope in the off season put up a tougher fight than you!”

  148. Led says:

    The (justified) benching of one line made this team tired by the 3rd period nevermind 2 or 3 series.

  149. habs001 says:

    in the playoffs we cannot have just 3 lines playing as the forwards will be dead tired by the  second or third round…

  150. EricInStL says:

    Boone give it a rest. Stupid game ? I don’t think so. This is a wake up call. But no one will answer in MTL.

    Also the Boston fans loving the goonery ? So what, if we all remember no one ever booed when Nilan was gooning it up with Kordic, etc

    Fans will cheer if they ever kick someones ass at the Bell center.

    Jeez the guys showed heart and determination, but at one point someone has to go see PG and tell him they need some muscle.

    Teams will take lots of liberties against the players. At some point you have to make a stand. Ask Subban and Gionta about cheap shots, someone has to protect them.

    But I doubt things will ever change in Mtl, hope that nice little team works for them.

    “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”–Winston Churchill

  151. Led says:

    This is the kinda game where I miss Sheldon Souray. I know he’s an overpaid pylon but he was always like the tough big brother who took care of you. He would of done some damage with his wrist guard tonight.


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