Liveblog: Game 51 – Canadiens drop third in a row, 4-1 to Detroit


The beat goes on

For the first time this season, the Canadiens have dropped three straight games in regulation time.

Detroit jumped out to a 2-0 lead on goals by Henrik Zetterberg and Riley Sheahan.

AfterBrendan Gallagher scored on a second-period power play, Niklas Kronwall restored the Red Wings' two-goal advantage heading into the third.

With the Canadiens pressing late in the game, Detroit got a 3-on-1 break and Zetterberg fed Gustav Nyquist for the insurance goal.

The home team was without Pavel Datsyuk, Johan Franzen and Stephen Weiss.

It didn't matter.

The Canadiens had a 31-26 shot advantage.

That didn't matter either.

No comeback

Gustav Nyquist, completing a 3-on-1 break, scored the only goal of the third period.

Canadiens outshot the Wings 9-5.

Snakebit team

After Riley Sheahan took advantage of an Alexei Emelin misplay to blast a laser past Carey Price, the indefatigable Brendan Gallagher got the Canadiens back into the game, tapping his own rebound past Jonas Gustavsson on a power play. It was Lil' Poison's 13th, seven on the PP.

Momentum seemed to have shifted when the Tomas Plekanec line had a dominant shift in the Detroit zone.

But then shoddy zone coverage by the David Desharnais line opened a nice shooting lane for Niklas Kronwall and it was 3-1.

It could be worse. Price made brilliant saves on Justin Abdelkader and Brendan Smith.

Wings had a 13-9 shot advantage.

Scoring drought continues

The Canadiens had 13 shots on Jonas Gustavsson.

He saw and stopped all of them.

With Brendan Gallagher and Akexei Emelin in the penalty box, Dan Cleary did his best Tomas Holmstrom impresion, parking in Carey Price's crease and blocking his view of a Henrik Zetterberg long shot.

The goal was one of eight shots by the home team.

The second period will begin with Brandon Prust in the penalty box.

Long time no Joe

Let's hope the Canadiens, who haven't visited Detroit since Dec. 10, 2010, remember where the bathrooms are in the Joe Louis Arena.

Travis Moen opened the scoring that night, with assists by Mike Cammalleri and Jeff Halpern. Benoit Pouliot got the other Canadiens' goal in a 4-2 loss.

The Canadiens are clinging to third place in the Atlantic Division. Their closest pursuers, the Leafs, were smoked 7-1 in Dallas Thursday night.

But the playoff race is tightening.

And the Red Wings, sitting ninth in the Eastern Conference, need points.

• Michel Therrien on thin ice? François Gagnon and Bert Raymond weigh in.


  1. Mavid says:

    GO HABS GO!!

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  2. WAR72 says:

    Many posters willing to give emelin a break because he was injured…
    But MB gave him huge money while he was still injured. What gives?
    MB didnt realize it would take time for him to get back the way he was? Did he really think the guy would come firing on all cylinders?
    This season is a writ off for emelin, and that is a joke.
    Emelin does not spdeserve that kinda money and he isproving it.
    MB is showing what a rookie gm he is.over and over..

  3. adadi says:

    Habs not looking good in their zone.

  4. twilighthours says:

    HFS72, was it Thai or Indian?

  5. johnnylarue says:

    Is it just me or does “Abdelkader” sound like one of those 50-cent words Boone is always using?

  6. durocher says:

    Good things some Habs seem to have a chip on their shoulder tonight

  7. adadi says:

    Patches is so soft on the boards.

  8. habsfan1001 says:

    another chest for gionta

  9. mrbell04 says:

    Good intensity so far!

  10. adadi says:

    Does Gionta every take a shot that’s not from 80 feet out.

  11. habsfaninboston says:

    Nice to see Borq hitting again.

  12. jols101 says:

    Love Bork when he does stuff like that. Too bad it’s not very often.

  13. Keith says:

    Bourque with a good hit!

  14. CH Marshall says:

    Test 2

  15. DipsyDoodler says:

    If you got points for hitting the chest, like in fencing, Gionta would be top scorer on the Habs.

  16. adadi says:

    Please take Larry off the wing.

  17. Nakasuga says:

    Live stream anyone?

  18. CH Marshall says:


  19. Habitant in Surrey says:

    PK & Murray ? …rediculous

  20. adadi says:

    Subban. Murray. Sheeesh!

  21. CH Marshall says:

    Gimme a break. If Price was a Leaf those TSN boys would be on their knees so fast

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Enjoy the game everyone, Go Habs Go!

  23. Maksimir says:

    Boone – don’t be jealous of Alfie’s hair.. I’m sure you had long fllowing locks in 19xx..

  24. Reflektor says:

    PK fluffs off tsn’s stupid ‘got to impress Babcock’ meme.

  25. Propwash says:

    TSN is just pissed that a Maple Leaf isn’t in the Olympics.


  26. adadi says:

    Too much whining about TSN, just flip the dial and watch RDS. Their play by play guy is the best in the business anyway.

  27. rljmartin says:

    CH Marshall… Thanks… I present Vicky (HabFan) and Isabella (HabFan-to-be). Ditto to Truro.

  28. Maksimir says:

    TSN Plays of the Week – showing 4 goals against Habs..

  29. adadi says:

    Therrien: We are going to grind (our teeth), get backed into our zone and never control the puck for more than 12 seconds.

  30. SlovakHab says:

    Happy Birthday today to Habs prospect Martin Reway.

  31. theox_8 says:

    I’m expecting a big game from the boys tonight . Hopefully it goes good, and hopefully emelin plays the body instead of the puck tonight .

  32. Reflektor says:

    Is Dredger in a high chair?

  33. Strummer says:

    How bad has Eller sucked the last 23 games?
    And Emelin too?
    To think we blamed our crash and burn last season on the loss of these 2 guys.
    If they were contibuting like last year this team wouldn’t be floundering as badly right now.

    “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

  34. HabinBurlington says:

    Kind of funny that neither Jones or Dreger have coached anything. Dregers opinion = Jack Squat.

  35. Haberoooo13 says:

    Unbelievable….like Boone wrote, i watched 15 seconds of TSN and they pile on Price????

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  36. jols101 says:

    Good ole TSN, spent the first 5 minutes taking pot shots at PK and Price and then moved right to their favorite subject – The Laffs – who aren’t even playing tonight. They are an embarrassment to professional broadcasting.

  37. adadi says:

    Watching a game at Dodger stadium. Now that is something I would like to experience.

  38. adadi says:

    Hey Boone, any insight on F. Gagnon’s tweet about locker room dissension.

  39. twilighthours says:

    @Jols, cheers. Thanks for the info

    @Sprague, you’re a freaking genius

  40. adadi says:

    Hey Boone’s here. How you doin’ you old goat?

  41. John Q Public says:

    For a hockey site I have to google the meaning of so many words.

  42. rljmartin says:

    Off topic but can anyone out there tell how to add a pic to my profile? Can’t find any option in the edit profile screen.

  43. Alvin says:

    I dunno I’m torn between watching Lone Survivor or Habs vs Wings

  44. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    All I know is if Murray becomes a plus D-man with PK, just give the Norris to PK…no nominations, no ceremony…just give it to him.

  45. Reflektor says:

    Added pressure as tsn’s brain trust says Subban and Price need to impress Babcock.

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Very frustrating, just wrote a somewhat lengthy response to Eddie, didn’t save it and of course it didn’t post.

    Can this website at least tell us what can’t be said? I included no names like John_son, no swear words etc…. It is ridiculous that they want us to exchange thoughts etc… but arbitrarily don’t let posts through.

    Very frustrating

    • adadi says:

      Boone Have you fed the hampsters tonight?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Same thing happens to me on Explorer…especially the longer posts. Like I’ve said before, this site’s programmer is incompetent. We should be yelling for his or her’s firing instead of MT.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I have Textarea Cache as a Firefox add-on, so at least my comments get saved temporarily. But even reworking a comment may lead to a lost post. One time, I did change it enough to pass the filter. Another time was unsuccessful. At least, thankless to the add-on, I had something to work with on both occasions.

  47. Alvin says:

    Habs do not have goal scorers anywhere in their system.
    This is a major problem.

  48. habsfan0 says:

    No matter the result in tonight’s game, I believe Budaj starts tomorrow against Washington.

    • adadi says:

      Starting Price was the right thing tonight. You can’t sit a goalie the game after he gets lit up. I’m guessing Waite’s call.

      • habsfan0 says:

        The Habs modus operandi this season was to always alternate goalies in back to back games.
        I think starting Price tonight was the right choice as well. I think Price might be getting somewhat mentally tired so starting him on the road is probably the prudent thing to do because the last thing a tired goalie needs is to lay an egg in front of the home crowd and get booed for it.

    • monmick says:

      … and lays another beating on Holtby…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  49. Eddie says:

    I think fans know how to be patient. Why are we blaming the fans all the time?

    I remember 1993 like it was yesterday. My first child was born that year and he was only a few months old when I was screaming for joy in the other room.

    I, and millions like me, have waited patiently ever since.

    We have not even made it to the Finals since that year, and if it wasnt for the crazy luck we had in 2010, this team would have gone these past 20 pls years having never won two playoff series in the same season.


    Yes, think we are very patient.

    It’s not the fans who should be blamed for adding Bouillon, Briere, Murray and Parros to what is actually a very solid core of NHL talent.

    Sure we should be realistic. I agree.

    But had those summer of 2013 signings turned out to be even marginally successful, we would be battling Pittsburgh and Boston for the Conference Championship.

    The fans ave every right to be frustrated.

    • shandrew says:

      Yikes Eddie my first child was also born a few months prior to the ’93 cup – I also agree with everything you said. Except I’m one of those guys who think Therrien is evil so I would have thrown him to the wolves also

  50. naweed235 says:

    Does anyone know of a site where it is possible to watch full replays of games? I am going to miss the game tonight and if somehow they win, I’d like to watch it.Thanks

  51. ooder says:

    Ok so I am a little late to the party but for the first time I heard the : “we are a grinding team” rant.
    Holy crap he sounds so dumb yelling that. The accept it part was hilarious. Like a crappy parent disciplining his child.

  52. johnnylarue says:


    The problem as I see it, Norm, is that, while most people can get behind the concept of “building for the future” in theory, the average sports fan–i.e. one whose favourite team becomes a partial substitute for spiritual discipline/religion in his or her life–is not adequately equipped to deal with the abject misery which goes along with these necessary transitional years.


    In fact, you might say sports fans specifically prefer the sense of instant gratification they get from victory in sports to the standard “death is the great reward” trope offered by many religions… but that’s another topic altogether.

    I believe Angèle Arsenault said it best, “Tout le monde veut aller au ciel, oui, mais personne ne veut mourir.”

    That having been said, you can’t dabble in a hobby-religion such as hockey without getting the occasional back-spray of vitriol from disgruntled fellow fans on you, unless you choose to watch games in a vacuum and never talk about it otherwise. Tiresome (and mind-numbing) as it often is, the spiritually downtrodden need to vent.

    Just think of the HIO forum as their Wailing Wall. 😉

  53. Danno says:

    Do they sell these at the Joe Louis Arena?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
    Updates, highlights & great discussions on all things Habs

    • rljmartin says:

      Living in Colombia, haven´t had one in ages, do they still make them?

    • sprague cleghorn says:

      January 24, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      Mae West should marry Jos. Louis and have beautiful cupcakes”

      Believe it or not, they are connected:

      The daughter of “Battling Jack,” a boxer, MAE WEST became a fight fan. Often photographed in a ringsize seat, Mae also befriended certain black pugilists such as Chalky Wright, William “Gorilla” Jones, and Joe Louis.
      • • Born in Detroit, Michigan, Joseph Louis Barrow [13 May 1914 – 12 April 1981], best known as Joe Louis — — and nicknamed The Brown Bomber — — is considered to be one of the greatest heavyweight boxing champions that ever lived. Joe Louis held the title for over 11 years, recording 25 successful defenses of the title. But the former sparring partner probably wouldn’t have gotten a chance to BE champ if it weren’t for the Brooklyn bombshell.
      • • Asked how she used her influence to give Joe Louis the biggest break he ever had, Mae West explained the situation to Jet Magazine’s editor.
      • • Joe Louis was scheduled to fight Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom, a native of New York City’s Harlem who was born on 6 September 1903. In 1932, Slapsie Maxie had earned the title of “Light Heavyweight Champ of the World.”
      • • Mae West grew concerned after Julian Black, Joe’s manager, revealed that he had agreed to the match only one one condition — — that Rosenbloom “would agree not to do any slapping” [and make Louis look bad, thereby damaging his box-office appeal].
      • • Smelling trouble, Mae West phoned her former lover, Owney Madden, who was in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Madden said, “I don’t think Joe Louis should fight Maxie. Tell Joe’s manager to get in touch with me. I’ll give Joe a chance to go a few rounds with the champ — — Jimmy Braddock.”
      • • The match was set for 22 June 1937 — — and Joe Louis would become the new champ.

      … ‘ow could we forget that?

  54. MikeHabs says:

    Changes are needed with this team and I am really tired that some fans think things are fine just because of the standings. I don’t see how they don’t realize that teams that were way behind such as the Leafs two weeks ago (9 points), are either catching up or have. This is unacceptable! The system Therrien has in place doesn’t make sense for the roster at all. Dump and chase? Really? When we have smaller, speedy forwards. It’s rattling. Plus his comments and how he thinks they are doing or on specific players is just a head scratcher. He needs to go. This team isn’t as bad as they have been. A change in system is required however.

    Should Beaulieu stay up with the Habs?

  55. Habcouver says:

    Pardon me if this was raised already but what was the meeting between MB and PK about?

    Waiting patiently for #25

    • Mattyleg says:


      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • jols101 says:

      MB asked PK if he could fire his agent because he is asking for way too much money.

    • adadi says:

      Know one knows for sure. Some are saying it has to do with his contract. However, I doubt this is true as his agent would have never allowed him to do that. Some are guessing it has something to do with what Francois Gagnon tweeted last night about “some players no longer being happy with MT”.

      • rljmartin says:

        Being happy at your work is not a necessity but it sure helps!

      • Frank2468 says:

        I just hope it doesn’t end up like 1995 all over again. If M.B finds out it may have been P.K who said anything if he even did. Cause that would be the kicker. Keep the coach and trade your star player cause we don’t like to win in Montreal. Is the twilight zone going to reappear? I can see it now Rob Serling saying “Just when you thought you had an all star defense man with a Norris trophy on your team some how the G.M shows a side of Houle and a hint of Tremblay in the twilight zone” Do dodo do do dodo dodo LOL

  56. jols101 says:

    I’m not a huge Therrien guy, some of his moves and ice-time distribution really leave me scratching my head, but i think the biggest issue is simply lack of talent. Look at our top 6 – Bourque/Moen-Pleks-Gio and Patches-DD-Gallagher.

    Look at those names hard and then take off your Habs colored glasses and look again, and then compare it to other team’s top 6 and seriously ask yourself – do the Habs stack up ? I’m not convinced.

  57. Un Canadien errant says:

    I don’t understand why so many posters are losing their marbles. When the season started the general consensus on HIO was that the Canadiens would fight for a playoff spot. Few expected them to be at the top of the standings like the Penguins and the Bruins, or the Blackhawks in the West. So far, we have overachieved, but are now mired in a slump. This is hardly surprising. Over the course of the season, we’ll have hot streaks and cold snaps.

    Further, we all seemed to agree that the correct course of action was to be steady as she goes, ride out some more veteran contracts, and develop the kids in the pipeline. That has been happening. Last summer we jettisoned Tomas Kaberle, and this summer Brian Gionta will come off the books. Placeholders and complementary pieces like George Parros, Douglas Murray, and Francis Bouillon were patched on to the team, but most will not be retained, as Jeff Halpern and Yannick Weber were let go last season. The inexplicable Daniel Brière detour will also not seriously affect our journey.

    Meanwhile, the youths in Hamilton that we possibly may have slightly overhyped in our feverish collective mind have shown to be mere mortals, to not be quite the world-beaters we had them pegged as. They’re getting some beneficial games in the AHL or other leagues, as they learn their trade. We have to be patient. That’s what we swore we’d do, in unison. Gone were the days when we would rush kids to the bigs before they were ready, we intoned in July. The song remains the same, or at least it should.

    This is where the rubber meets the road, folks. We can’t have an emotional collapse because we were exposed by Evgeni Malkin, Sydney Crosby, James Neal and Kris Letang during a road game. We’d have been suckers to bet otherwise. We had to expect this. We vowed that we would ride out these storms to reach the promised land.

    So let’s stop foaming at the mouth because the Sens got Bobby Ryan and the Leafs got James van Riemsdyk, yet Marc Bergevin “sits on his hands”. For Marc Bergevin to get in the game, he needs some trading chips. René Bourque at this moment is barely enough to ante in. We don’t have a 6’3″ 240 lbs defenceman formerly drafted fifth overall to swap with, one who we know has topped out and we can safely part with. When we have a surfeit of draft picks and prospects, then we’ll be in a position where not only we can, but actually we’ll have to trade quantity for quality, as the Sens did.

    Let’s not have a nervous breakdown about, say, the imminent return of Davis Drewiske. Again, despite what the Chicken Littles squawk, he is eminently disposable, and does not “clog up” our roster, regardless of his menacing one-way contract, which so many posters fear but misunderstand. He makes minimum wage, and can be sent down to Hamilton with no cap hit. The worst that can happen is that he gets claimed by another team on waivers.

    We should favour stability over kneejerk decisions, and by that I mean let’s not fire Michel Therrien and keep the coaching merry-go-round spinning. As much as many posters love Mike Babcock, he’s not available for hire. The only star candidates out there, Dallas Eakins and Paul Maurice, have already been snapped up. There’s no wizard out there who can turn Josh Gorges into Rod Langway, Lars Eller into Bobby Smith, or Brian Gionta into Yvan Cournoyer. We have the team that we have, there’s no miracle worker who can change that.

    This is where the rubber meets the road guys. We knew what kind of season we were in for in September, or at least we thought we knew, and mostly all of us made pious promises that we didn’t want to sacrifice our future for rentals, and that squeaking into the playoffs wasn’t our goal, we wanted a strong organization with a deep system full of prospects putting in a full apprenticeship in the minors, and young players fighting for a roster spot. The way to get there is to stay the course, and not to abandon ship at the first squall.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    • Eddie says:

      Normand, I for one never claimed to have all my marbles, so I’m proud to say I’m as crazy as ever.

    • docketrocket says:

      Thoughtful post. Hope it works out like you think it will.

    • CJ says:

      Great post. I agree with nearly everything. However, I was left with the understanding though that a one way contract can no longer be buried in the AHL. Davis, if sent to Hamilton, counts towards the cap. The only reason there is cap relief now is that he has been on long term injury reserve. When he is healthy, whether he is in Montreal or in Hamilton it will count towards our cap hit, at least at 75% of the value of his contract if in the minors. Perhaps I’m wrong.

      As noted I agree with everything else. Great post!

      • twilighthours says:

        I thought that if a player’s salary was below $900K, and he was sent to the minors, it didn’t count against the cap.

        But I really know very little about the cap.

        • CJ says:

          I truthfully am not 100%. I’m curious as to what the answer is and hope someone on this forum knows.

        • jols101 says:

          Yes Twi you are right. For example if they sent DD down only 2.6 of his 3.5 million would count toward the cap. If they sent Drewiske down once healthy his entire salary wouldn’t count because he makes less than 900k.

          It may actually be a little more than 900k, I’m not positive on that but for some reason I’m thinking 950k.

    • twilighthours says:

      Not too many marbles to lose here, Normand. But I believe the team could be better than this.

    • adadi says:

      All that you said is well and good but I would say that the Habs are no longer apt to raise young talent. In my mind. I see no up and comers at this point. Also, we have taken someone who had the potential to be a good top six forward in Larry and mucked him up by giving him 4th line mates, by changing them every 12 minutes and by now playing him on his off position which we already know will not work. Forgive me but the coaching is inept and is now becoming comical (murray and PK).

    • GrosBill says:

      Good post,

      That is how I have viewed it so far, temper expectations. That about sums up my expectations going into the year and I am not shocked to see the team in the situation it is in (though slightly better than I would have thought in the standings).

      I want to see them win and be elite as the next fan, but I knew MB wouldnt right the ship in a season and a half, or if he would at all for that matter. Either way, there was much work to be done, there still is.

      I am not happy to see them in a slump atm either, but not totally shocking either.

      Havent read a post from you in a while, welcome back.

      Go Habs

    • rhino514 says:

      This isn´t a team in need of a rebuild. Getting one more decent piece to stabilize the defence, or possibly a rugged winger, even if he ends up being a rental, won´t jeopardize the future.
      Markov is showing sings of slowing down in the second half. Emelin is not himself and needs to regain confidence. One smart acquisition could help these guys and be the difference between being a good solid team, or having the whole team defence implode.
      I´ve never understood why many consider there are only 2 alternatives; standing pat, or giving away the future. There are many shades between these two extremes.

    • JUST ME says:

      Good comment UCE!

      It`s deja vu all over again. Things and people never change in MTL. Before the season they see things as they are and know what to expect and what not to expect. But somehow god knows when suddenly expectations change usually after we win 3 games in a row.
      Off to the cup we go ! But when we lose 2 in a row…

      But were we fed up with Jacques Marrin and Pierre Gauthier and the wagon with no more wheels ! And then the new management, clouds went away and brand new blood on the second floor, behind the bench, in Hamilton , sun was shining.

      But wait now we must hate Michel Therrien and hold a grudge against him for what he did years ago, he cannot change and evolve but we sure did ! sigh…

      And that Bergevin guy ? How come he did not bring the cup after 18 months ?

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      It’s not the overall record. For me, it’s the trend. I am far from the keenest observer on this site, but at one time, Habs seemed to be tough to play against and to score on. Now, other teams are whizzing thru and by the defence as if it wasn’t there — which it sort of isn’t. The team seems clueless and dispirited, and personnel decisions seem to be all over the place. Look, it could be a temporary slump, but we are fans who are pretty darn alarmed at what we have been seeing lately. We’ve been here before after all.

    • JF says:

      Excellent post. I’ve been telling myself this all season and said something like it (although much more briefly) farther down.

      Marc Bergevn is building through drafting and development. There are no shortcuts. Once we have sufficient depth in our system – perhaps after one more good draft – he will be able to use some of our picks and prospects to acquire missing pieces. For the moment, he has no choice but to ice the team we have, while riding out bad contracts and waiting for the kids to develop. He will add temporary bandaids as necessary, but I can’t see any major moves being made until he feels he has the chips to play with.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Fair enough, but MB has made some poor choice in the personnel decisions that he has made, and MT’s on ice, personnel choices also leave one scratching one’s head. Beyond that, you’d think if the objective really were long term that the rookies wouldn’t find it so hard to get a little ice time. Why wasn’t at least 1 of the young D’s up for the season? Are we now going to have 2 or more rookie D’s next year? Inquiring minds want to know. Why is Chucky playing out of position and getting no PP time? 🙂

        • JF says:

          Fair questions. I also would like to see rookies get more ice-time. Bournival, for example, looked great playing with Plekanec and Gionta, but has recently been mostly on one of the bottom two lines. As for the young defencemen, I heard not too long ago that both Beaulieu and Tinordi were struggling in Hamilton. Now that Beaulieu is here, I hope he’ll stay, and I’d like to see Pateryn brought up as well. As for Galchenyuk at centre, I don’t think he’s good on faceoffs yet, so we’d have to be prepared to lose a lot of those. But yes, if we’re truly rebuilding and not looking for results, it would make sense for him to be at centre. But a coach has to care about results to some extent because his job depends on winning.

    • scamorza says:

      agree with most myself -a good team, will fight for a playoff spot hopefully do better than last year and keep fine tuning w/o giving up top prospects. Am concerned with how the d has played of late we just have one too many that are too old and slow- murray is great on the pk and blocking shots but otherwise a liability. Markov great on the pp but is challenged with speed especially in transition so unless they get more support from the forwards in the neutral zone we will continue to get burned. Like the fact that they brought up Beaulieu maybe time to bring up Pateryn as well.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Nice to see a post from you bud.

  58. VintageFan says:

    This latest “rebuild” is beginning to look like just another change of four quarters for a dollar. Or perhaps more appropriately, a Loonie. Does anyone remember the Harold Ballard years in Toronto? The building was full, the team made baskets of money, the team had a couple of very popular stars, but the team was never really competitive. The ownership and management didn’t care because the money kept rolling in. Plus ca change, plus ca reste meme!

  59. habstrinifan says:

    Just listened to Pierre McGuire on tsn690. Was anyone else listening. I am not saying he was or anything.. but he sounded weird if he was drunk.

  60. Eddie says:

    Remember when Gauthier traded for Bourque and someone, I think it was Healy, was laughing because he said the whole league knew Bourque frucked the dog.

  61. B says:

    This seems like a long time into the season for two teams from the same division to be playing their first game against each other.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  62. rljmartin says:

    A little tired of hearing how the HABS played over their heads and are doing better than expected especially if you look at the standings. Have worked in education all of my life and most of the time, if you expect little you get little. We must have high expectations even from weaker students. We must also have high expectations for the team…. that goes for the owner right down to the fans.

    Look at the beginning of the year, they started with injuries and played better hockey even with replacements. Now HABS are playing poorly while many teams have improved substantially. Why?
    I do not believe the answer is because they are a mediocre team with too many missing pieces. The start of the season was real, not fantasy. Something else has gone wrong and sadly, no one in the organization knows what it is.

    Yes these players are professionals making millions but they are still human. They are not machines.

    I for one am not ready to lower expectations.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Sounds great.
      I just hope you don’t get some fancy notion about higher expectations for HIO members.

    • bwoar says:

      It’s a hockey team, not a classroom. Why expect that it works the same way? You don’t believe what’s happening right in front of you, it sounds like.

      The reason for the downturn is simple: the team has easy success when the season hasn’t yet become serious. Now that the games are tighter, more intense, special teams are coached up, scouting has had 1/2 a year, etc. etc. the lack of skill and stamina on the team is exposed.


      • rljmartin says:

        So you are suggesting they started at their peak and everyone else got better and eclipsed them? If that is true, my question still stands….why?

        Expectations works in all walks of life…. ask any employer, owner or boss.

        • bwoar says:

          I answered in my second paragraph. It really is as simple as the team didn’t get better as the rest did, since we don’t have the talent.

          I know plenty about expectation as a parent ; -) But dealing with millionaire hockey players and expecting them to simply ‘do better’ won’t simply make it happen.


    • Habs1962 says:

      lets hope your right !
      I await the team to start playing better. A number of guys like Eller, Borque, even Prust and Gallagher can play better and some will. Gally coming back will be helpful.
      The D should get back to where they were. Emelin needs time to get back to where he was.
      I’m thinking we haven’t played well and still getting points so that’s encouraging.
      Lets see…

  63. JohnBellyful says:


    If MT brought out the best in Subban, what has he done for the other players?
    Did he not get around to them?
    Or did he, and is this the best we can hope for?

    Resident scribe Pat Hickey reports: “Therrien insisted the defensive zone coverage wasn’t at fault (in Wednesday’s loss). The coach said the Canadiens were turning the puck over in the attacking zone and getting caught in the transition.”
    Turning the puck over in the attacking zone? Isn’t that called a dump-in?
    As for transition, is he talking about swift-skating players being turned into grinders?

    Last one: Why do I think Subban/Murray won’t be such a bad combo, and that the Swede, while built like a block, is no blockhead and has shown he’s capable of making smart passes?

    (The first five might be easier to answer)

  64. Eddie says:

    If we deal Bourque I hope it’s to Pittsburgh.

  65. frontenac1 says:

    -16C, 20cm of snow coming in, AAA Alberta beef for the “Que, Red Wine, Single Malts, Cohibas, Herb…….Vas Y-Les Boys! Let “r Rip!! Saludos Amigos!

  66. DipsyDoodler says:

    OK it’s go time. Big decision.

    Big ballsy decision to make.

    I’m walking home in the freezing cold and picking up either Thai or Indian.

  67. Eddie says:

    Long before the Habs started playing 500 hockey, which is not good enough to make the playoffs, a certain Carey Price was standing on his head. This bad hockey has been going on for quite some time with no significant changes.

  68. B says:

    In their last 10 games, Montreal has 28 goals for and 36 goals against. During their 10 game point streak back in late Nov / Early Dec, they had 32 goals for and 19 goals against.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  69. Haberoooo13 says:

    Very big weekend for Habs direction this season and for Therien’s future with the Habs.

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  70. CH Marshall says:

    Woooo I can watch tonight!

  71. JF says:

    Unless it becomes clear that Michel Therrien has completely lost the room, I do not believe he will be fired this season. Nor does he deserve to be. The Habs are a .500 team that had one good stretch and are now going through a bad one. They may or may not make the playoffs, which is pretty much what the pundits predicted before the season began.

    Bad games against the Kings and Blues showed that the team has trouble against big, tough, tight-checking teams – which is not news to anyone. Wednesday’s game against Pittsburgh simply showed that we don’t have the horses to compete with an elite team when that team is on its game. Again, no surprise.

    For the rest, the games tend to be close. The Habs are competitive, winning some and losing some against teams of roughly the same calibre as themselves.

    It is Marc Bergevin’s mandate to turn the Habs from a mediocre team into a good one. Until he makes the necessary moves to do this, which will not happen overnight or simply by waving a magic wand, Therrien should not be blamed because the team is not competitive against the elite of the League. Not that he should not receive his fair share of criticism; he’s made plenty of mistakes and no doubt will make others, and I’m sure he rubs some of the players the wrong way. But I think his job should be safe for now barring an open rebellion by the players.

    • Eddie says:

      Absolutely agree. He’s also had picked by Bergevin less than 2 years ago, we made the playoffs last year, and were in a playoff position now.

      All the logic points to Therrien keeping his job…………

      But I’m not convinced.

    • bwoar says:

      Bergevin should get on with it. I know change doesn’t happen overnight, but it’s been a while since…. anything.


      • JF says:

        How exactly is he to get on with it? The roster is unbalanced and has some holes, but the Habs do not have enough depth in the system to trade for impact players – to make the kind of trade that Ottawa, for example, made over the summer for Bobby Ryan. One more good draft and maybe we’ll have that kind of depth. Meanwhile, some of our prospects should be ready to fill roster spots next season; Beaulieu should continue to play, Pateryn and perhaps Tinordi should graduate. Others, like Collberg and maybe De La Rose and Bozon, will be a year closer.

        • bwoar says:

          My reply disappeared. Grrr. Summing up:

          I think MB should be looking to move veterans and start turning the team over. It’s not enough to just sit and wait and hope the prospects turn out. I sure hope that’s not all the guy has in store.


        • CJ says:

          I agree. I think we are a year behind ottawa in terms of depth. We need one more strong draft. Adding picks will be key.

          • bwoar says:

            I’m waiting, and waiting for those picks to be added. And in the end I think we’ll be disappointed, because it won’t happen. I put the likelihood of the Habs being a bubble playoff team this time next year at 95%. I just hope it’s with 2-3 more young players in the lineup.


        • Habs1962 says:

          Ottawa gave up an NHLer, a top prospect and a first for Bobby Ryan who will probably move on after next year, on a team that won’t make the playoffs this and possibly next year…. this is not the kind of thing the Habs should be trying.
          MB will build slow and steady.

    • B says:

      The Habs are a .590 team ranked 10th in the 30 team NHL.

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • habcertain says:

      the measuring stick for the team, and MT, should not necessarily be points in the standing. to your point we are a mediocre team that may, or may not, make the playoffs. I measure success in terms of how Chucky/Eller/Bournival/Gally, and the kids on the farm when called up, show progression. I expected to see some of our young d-men make strides to the big club, and while we may want to put that on the players, it is MT who’s makes the call as to weather he wants to take some of that development and turn these kids into bona-fide NHL players. none of that is happening. if not for Price, the win-loss record would not support the continued backing of MT.

  72. joewindsor habfan says:

    Going to the game tonight
    bitterly cold outside hope the habs can light it up tonight!

  73. JUST ME says:

    Show some character. Come out mad,pissed,unforgiving for fan`s sake ! Go habs go !

  74. Eddie says:

    One more chance for Habs to bounce back

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