Liveblog: Canadiens will draft third

Three

Nothing changed for the Canadiens.
They finished third from the bottom in the final NHL standings, and the draft lottery draw left the Canadiens picking third when the draft is held in Pittsburgh on June 22
Edmonton moved up a notch into the first spot, bumping poor Columbus to second.

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When CBC Radio’s beautiful and talented Andie Bennett asked Andrei Markov about the progress of P.K. Subban, the defenceman gruffly ansered “Next question.”

When pressed, Markov declined comment.

What to make of this?

In his RDS column, Renaud Lavoie sugests Markov was expressing a negative attitude toward Subban that is prevalent in the Canadiens’ room.

I don’t buy it.

As François Gagnon said onL’Antichambre Monday, this was more a case of being Markov being Markov: Self-consciously inscrutable, indifferent to his responsibilities as a leader in the room.

Look, P.K. is not everyone’s cup of tea.

He’s a hot dog, which for me is not entirely a negative. Bell Centre fans appreciate players with panache, and Subban is their man.

He’s a 22-year-old work in progress. And P.K. matured as the season progressed.

P.K. led the team in ToI, averaging more than 24 minutes per game. Playing in all situations and matched, with Josh Gorges, against the opponents’ best forwards, P.K. was plus-9 on a last-place team.

He made $875,000.

Markov’s salery was $5.75 million. He averaged 18 minutes in 13 games and was minus-4.

Next question.

• Good reading: Mitch Melnick’s year-end summary. My favourite part is Melnick’s demolition of  the know-nothings who knock Carey Price.

• I can’t believe Chris F. Lee is working the playoffs

621 Comments

  1. mrhabby says:

    Draft…..Habs pick ryan murray. Habs start the rebuild with him.A sure fire starter next year.

    • punkster says:

      We may be the only two here who would like a D as first pick. It’s so lonely at the top.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        How good is this Murray fellow? He didn’t have a very good WJC.

        But analysts call him the next Scott Niedermayer. If that’s the case, then by all means let’s draft him.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • mrhabby says:

        P. From all accounts murray and yakupov can start asap. Habs need players that make immediate impact…hope your well.

  2. The HonestFan says:

    I like Burke ..he’s a good frontman just his band s#*ks.

  3. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Good reading: Mitch Melnick’s year-end summary. My favourite part is Melnick’s demolition of the know-nothings who knock Carey Price.

    Good reading: Mitch Melnick’s year-end summary. My favourite part is Melnick’s demolition of the know-nothings who knock Carey Price.

    Seriously… I could not agree more. But then, the trolls and the ignorant will continue posting online, till that sacred day that teleportation becomes a reality, and two people arguing online, can, for a small fee be ported to an octagon for good old fashion brawl, OR, for a LARGE fee one person can pay to have the troll ported to said octagon with or without his consent…

    Those gonna be the days.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Aaaaaa I see you are wishing the same as I am. Sometimes the only thing that shuts fools up is a fat lip.

    • matt jordan says:

      I’d love a good ol fashioned Bru ha ha with some HIO posters.

      It could either take place on or off the ice!

    • The Cat says:

      The only real problem with Melnicks summary is that these people who knock Price dont really exist. Everytime I see a media person, theyre pretty much kissing Carey’s ass ad nauseum…’Not fawning over’ doesnt equal knocking or dissing, but in the mind of real Price fans, Im sure it does.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • nova scotia vees says:

      Such a wonderful debater! Why you must be a Mensa candidate. Heaven forbid someone should hold a different opinion than yours.

  4. steve17 says:

    Regardless of the outcome of the draft lottery, I say Montreal should keep their pick and trade Subban, Weber and Diaz to Edmonton for their pick. Edmonton needs defence. If they have to, the Habs could switch their lower 2nd round pick this year for Edmonton’s 3rd round pick. If Montreal ends up with 2 picks in the top 4, they can turn things around in a hurry. If they bury Gomez in hamilton and trade Gionta for a 3rd round pick, they can take a run at Suter if he makes it to UFA on July 1st. The Habs have enough very good defencemen on the way and could pick up more in the later rounds this year. This would give them potentially 2 impact forwards they haven’t had since Lafleur.

    Habfan17

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks for making this the FIRST post I read!

      Now I know why the Jackass is a loud animal.

      • steve17 says:

        I guess you are one that thinks Holmgren is a jackass too. Let’s say Edmonton holds on to the 2nd pick and takes grigorenko and he tunrs into another malkin and Subban never gets to that Norris trophy level, then who is the Jackass? Montreal has NO impact players in the system up front and lafleur was the last impact player the Habd had, other than Roy! Era does not matter.

        Habfan17

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Ahh, the ‘if’ factor.

          You’re right, let’s do a minority report on Subban’s future. Trade him now, just in case. :eek:

          ———————————————————————-
          “I got a feeling, a feeling deep inside” – Lennon/McCartney

          I’ve got a feeling

          • steve17 says:

            I am using the same logic the other poster used. The reality is, no one knows what the future holds and sometimes you have to take calculated risks . Sure the draft pick may not turn into another Malkin or Bure. people thought Holmgren was insane trading Carter and Richards, but there were reports that they thought they were above the team, now signs that Subban may think the same way are coming out. Holmgren made his team better and the Habs have a chance to do the same thing.

            Habfan17

      • steve17 says:

        Don’t come here if you don’t want to read posts you don’t agree with oh great gazoo! You are just showing your ignoraance with your statement. Actually you are very loud!!

        Habfan17

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Now now, as an armchair GM you are free to your opinion…

      So let’s break it down, you want to trade away the teams clean no 1 dman who’s only going to get better for a draft pick that might or might not be any good?

      Lafleur? It’s 2012, get up to speed, 90% of todays NHL players would skate circles around your childhood heroes, or man crushes, or what not…

    • Marc10 says:

      Subban plays 25+ minutes and is our best D at 22. Trading him for an umproven player is the definition of insanity.

      Trade him for an established number one center that’s in a similar age bracket and then we can talk.

      • steve17 says:

        There aren’t any that have the impact that is required at a salary that makes sense. Montreal has enough very good defencemen in the system. Again, If the new GM clears out players like Gomez, they will have the cap space to go after Suter if he is available. Beaulieu, Ellis, Pateryn, and Tinordi are a year away and then there is Bennett who played very well with Pateryn in University and Dietz and Didier. Sure Subban is a star but that doesn’t mean he isn’t expendable. Last season I would never have listened to anyone who would trade him, but now there is too much noise coming out of the dressing room and maybe his head is too big for his britches!

        Habfan17

    • Cal says:

      Trade the captain. That’s a big Homeresque DOH!!!!
      Subban! Wow, just wow!

  5. habsfan0 says:

    Tonight’s draft lottery is being held at Toronto’s Sports Network studios here in Hogtown. If Laffs win lottery, I smell a rat.

  6. The HonestFan says:

    Trade the ’12 1st round pick, to Columbus ………for big Nash

    • matt jordan says:

      Didn’t Brian Burke try that?

      I really hope the Canadiens DO NOT start trading first round picks.

    • Mark C says:

      No thanks. I’d rather not trade a blue chip prospect for the right to pay a 30-goal scorer $7.8M a year.

    • Cal says:

      We already have 2 30 goals scorers. Neither cost anywhere near what Nash gets paid. If Habs get #1 pick, they get a player for 3 seasons at roughly 2.25mil per season.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Yeah, because he´s big right? He is a 30 goal, 55-70 point player with a too high cap hit. Good player but unbelievably overrated here as is Getzlaf. Nash will also be 28 at the start of next season…

  7. Adidess says:

    Samovich, I empathize a lot with what you’re saying.

    I have been reading this site for a long time and people are generally quite sensitive to ethnic and cultural differences. If there is one stereotype people still think is ok to throw around with no nuance or second thought, it is the lapidary ‘Russian players have no heart’ statement. It is unfair bc it’s not a fact. Many have been saying this despite the fact that they recognize Malkin, Datsyuk and Ovechkin have been consistently among the best players in the NHL since joining the league. This phrase gets thrown around often here and everywhere else in Canada based on very selective assessment of Russian players.

    The only thing fair with respect to fans worry over Russian players is the KHL option, which is closer to a real issue. I am with you.

    Edit: You’re non-Russian, so apologies to all Russians

    • Samovich says:

      Thank you, I agree with what you say, All I ask is to observe the language that comes with Russians, and the KHL option. Heck its an option! for Russian players to get payed well, and be at home in their country, language and culture! What a crime!! Are there odious things that the NHL and KHL have to work out? of course, but if one reads, closely you will see words like” Defect, flee, jump ship and a host of other words, this is simply not helpful and are insulting words to Russians and other Europeans.

      What if a player wants to play in his own country? SO what?

      • Adidess says:

        The KHL option/threat is not as clearcut. Russian guys drafted in the top 5 or 1st round tend to stay in the NHL, but when a team drafts a Russian player in later rounds, there is that suspense about whether the young player will be willing to patiently grind it out in the minors in order to make it to the NHL or whether he will leave for the KHL where he can be at home and make more money. It’s good for Russian players to have the KHL option but NHL fans want/expect to see all good draft picks play for their team.

        You can’t blame NHL fans who worry about whether players will choose to stay over there instead of coming here. What I am saying is the KHL is somewhat of a legitimate worry, the ‘have-no-heart’ thing is not.

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        I want a top pick. It would really suck to suck this bad and have suckers like the Leafs outsuck us down the stretch and suck away our draft pick.

  8. Stev.R says:

    I hope Winnipeg wins the draft lottery, thus knocking Toronto down one more spot

  9. disgustedhabsfan says:

    Well said comrade Samovich.

  10. Samovich says:

    Hello, Fellow Habs fans, I just want to say that this myth of Russian players Having Skill and no ” heart” is crap, Don Cherryeque and out right racist. Malkin scored 50 and lead the league in scoring, with very little fanfare! The Russian People have plenty of Heart!!, the significance of Stalingrad, the Siege of Leningrad, and the bravery Russian people displayed, suggests that they have plenty of heart and soul.

    What does this have to do with Hockey, you say? well plenty, yes, I concur, many enigmas and mysteries and riddles inside the Russian Hockey player, For every Valary Kharlamov( look him up) there is a Nicholai Borschevsky( look him up too)But was seems to annoy me, as a long time Hab fan form Canada ,is this sanctioned racism that seems to be permitted in the name of Hockey Parlance.

    When Russian players play well, they are ” skilled and well adopted”… when they don’t, they are, ” -have no-hearts” . Alexandre Daigle was a ” bust” but Nikita Filatov had no’ Heart or Desire’. The laize a faire moronic masses that seem to disapprove of Don Cherry echo his ramblings in the same xenophobic breath. And just for correction, AK 46, is from Belarus, Many players are from Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, and other parts of the former Soviet Union.

    In the end some are good hockey players some suck, just like any other country. To Say one group has no ‘Heart’ and another does not, is racist and without serious analysis and knowledge, kinda’ what one can accuse of Don Cherry.

    Thank you, from a loyal Habs fan and non-Russian.

    • Les Canayens says:

      Seeing as hockey is a sport where the chirping on the ice is 20X worse than the normal inappropriateness express by fans, these kinds of misconceptions will be perpetuated, if only to serve as munitions to chirpers.

    • smiler2729 says:

      And Ulf Samuelsson was far from the typical Swede…

      The stereotyping is a bum rap but there is something to be said for the grit factor (especially in playoffs) that North American players initially had over Europeans but that has all but disappeared in the last ten years with the Datsyuk/Zetterberg types… Maybe it was their game shape

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree. The main considerations when you draft a Russian which may differ from other countries prospects are indeed the KHL and the language barrier which can make a junior and sophomore year very trying…especially if the player falls in disfavour with a coach say like … well I wont name names.

      I also think the drive to win the Stanley Cup could be a greater impetus to Canadien players than most any other country’s youth.. but in this again that fervour increases as the player becomes more entrenched in the league.

    • boing007 says:

      You’re right. Team Russia was kicking Team Canada’s ass in 1972 until Clarke broke their best player’s leg.

      Richard R

  11. GrimJim says:

    Apologies if this has been posted already but Arpon Basu recaps the Habs season and gives his take on the state of the HAbs
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=627060

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I was starting to feel good about Roy as coach. Now I am not so sure. Kiss of death?

      • Bripro says:

        Did you read some of the comments?
        The opinions are as varied as a spectrum.
        Conclusion?
        Regardless of who they pick, they won’t please everyone.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Yes Bri. I get my fill of comments here. :) love Guy as a player. Not sure I would take organization tips from him though. Roy, well I kinda like my coaches a bit on the fiery side.

          • Bripro says:

            If Roy could instil his sense of grit and urgency, it would be a refreshing change.
            But I think in the end, he’ll alienate the media and seriously clash with some of the players.
            As for Lafleur, I sometimes get the impression he misses his 15 minutes.

  12. The Cat says:

    Please enjoy this catchy mexican song. Im sure someone could modify the lyrics to include Gomez.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzdVFLK_O44

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  13. Bouleau noir says:

    The more it went the better Blunden looked out there, his size, speed and willingness to play hard would combined with an improved set of offensive/defensive’s decisions making as the season went on….. our 4th line would looked great next season if composed of Blunden-White-Moen…. with someone like Staubitz as a substitute to Blunden when facing the more intimidating teams during the regulard season.

    • mark_ID says:

      Agreed

      “Step off George”

    • shiram says:

      Not so sure about White as C on the 4th.
      4th line C needs to play tough PK minutes, and be able to win key faceoffs. White is no better at faceoffs than anyone on the team now.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Pleks and Eller as PK? White as 4 the line center. That’s the same trio that finished 28th. The tankers will be happy with that lineup. Guess we’ll see.

    • adamkennelly says:

      Blunden can stay with White and Stauby on our 4th line but he needs to take some fighting lessons…too often I saw him in the middle of scrums doing absolutely nothing..want to play 4th line in the NHL, you need to have an edge – which doesn’t always means responding, sometimes it means initiating which realistically only PK and White ever did on this team last season.

      • Bouleau noir says:

        White miss most of the season, had he not his face-off skills surelly would have had progressed more than it did, being a right-handed as he is allready is a big plus for an alternative to lefty Plek for taking face-offs during PK, Conneyworth used him allready in those circumstances instead of Eller which is also a left handed.

        Unlike Blunden Staubitz’s limitations makes him a borderline 4th line player but he should be kepted around for his fighting skills when need be during the regulard season….. Blunden is more versatile with potential PK specialist and odd third line filling…. a very good 4th line player as long as he keeps working hard.

      • habstrinifan says:

        You are right re that he does not seem to be the type to ‘initiate’ a fight.. whereas White would.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Totally agree. In fact while White is a more willing and maybe better fighter I think Blunded brings a better all-roud game and has more size and wont back down. His hits are amazingly clean and without blowing the opponent out of the rink.. stops him dead in his track without affecting Blunden’s momentum.

  14. nova scotia vees says:

    Who is Mitch Melnick and why should I consider his comment to be the definitive take on all things Hab related? Who did he play for or is he just the greatest hockey seer ever?

  15. 44har48 says:

    “P.K. led the team in ToI, averaging more than 24 minutes per game. Playing in all situations and matched, with Josh Gorges, against the opponents’ best forwards, P.K. was plus-9 on a last-place team.

    He made $875,000.

    Markov’s salery was $5.75 million. He averaged 18 minutes in 13 games and was minus-4.”

    You are killing me with this Boonie…but this is exactly why I read your stuff!

  16. 44har48 says:

    Anyone thinking Rick DiPietro and other top picks that just didn’t live up to potential, the market we play in and the expectations in Montreal of a top 3 choice at 19 yrs old???

    Anyone thinking we should put a good package together and get an NHLer with that pick?

  17. mark_ID says:

    One player I’d like to quickly talk about is Blunden…….

    My buddy is good friends with Blundo…we are all from Ottawa, and they used to play Gloucester Rangers hockey together.

    Anyways, this past summer when I saw the the Habs had traded for him…..I immediately texted my friend(who is a Sens fan)

    He told me that Mike essentially barely even picked up the phone during the summer….because he saw this year as one of his last chances to really prove himself at the NHL level, considering he is already over 25 years old. He spent the whole summer training hard.

    I was happy with the way he played this year, and although I don’t know if he can be slotted into our fourth line next season…..I am very happy knowing he is taking a tremendous amount of pride into training hard to remain an NHL player and help our team.

    Hats off to ya, and hopefully he can continue improving, and add big body depth to our energy line.

    “Step off George”

    • The Cat says:

      He is one of those guys that has a place on the 4th line IMO. But you know sometimes, players get pigeon-holed into being career AHLers; just like DD had to be amazing to break out of that.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • smiler2729 says:

      I think Blunden proved that he’s definitely NHL material as a 4th line role player with even some 3rd line upside.

      I hope he stays…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • neumann103 says:

      I am not someone with a size fetish or who loves fighting or is always complaining about a lack of sandpaper etc. All to the effect of I am not someone who is looking for a reason to keep marginal 4th liners with size on the team.

      I think both Blunden and Staubitz acquitted themselves really well this season. I have commented previously on seeing Staubitz live in Buffalo twice and what a surprisingly elegant skater he is. Blunden doesn’t quite have that unlikely grace but he does have a ton of speed for a big man. I think they both competed hard this year and should be signed. They probably compose half of a 4 man rotation to fill out the fourth line. Neither is a liability.

      I did think that Blunden was done a huge disservice when Martin consigned him to the doghouse after his clean hit on a bad change vs the Rangers led to a bad penalty kill situation. One of the things I would most like to see next year is an end to selective doghouse relegation for players who are making an effort, while others get a free ride.

      “Et le but!”

  18. Timo says:

    Is today an apology day? First the laffs, now the flames? Where is the Habs’ apology?

  19. LafleurGuy says:

    Love Ice Girls! Especially Cohibas Lanceros!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  20. Habspark says:

    Errr…. Re the Draft, maybe I’ve missed something, but can anyone tell me why there is no chat here around Filip Forsberg?? He reads like the clear No. 2 selection to me, and if the Oilers (if they hold on to the second pick) decide to go with a D-man after two forwards in the last couple of drafts, then it would seem that our choice could fall between Fors/Grig/Gal, personally, I’d pick Forsberg: I prefer “nasty skill and willingness to through opponents” to Galchenyuk’s “silky moves”… Would be interested to hear feedback on this…

    • 44har48 says:

      Well I for one must admit that I don’t know $%&^ about the NHL draft this year. It seems Yakupov is a can’t miss and then it severely drops off to the unknown for forwards. Maybe he is just another question mark, (like them all in my book)!

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      From what I’ve read, Forsberg is the safer pick of the forwards, as he is the most likely to hit his potential. But he also has the lowest ceiling of the four. Won’t really know till 5-10 years.

    • mark_ID says:

      Ok…I don’t know a whole lot about Forsberg, apart from what I saw at the world juniors……..but what I see when I look at him, are his stats.

      8 goals, 9 assists, 17 points in 43 games with Leksand this year.

      Now I know he is only 18. I also know that the Swedish Elite League is somewhat low scoring……but that doesn’t seem like someone who would be able to even jump up to the NHL next year. I dunno…..just doesn’t seem to special to me.

      Would love for someone who has seen him play more, fill me in on his potential though

      “Step off George”

    • neumann103 says:

      One of the most reassuring things about the draft position of the Habs is the worst case scenario is they get Forsberg.

      I know about most of these prospects purely by reputation but when it looked like the Habs might finish 5th or 6th I was hoping for Forsberg.

      “Et le but!”

  21. LafleurGuy says:

    Love Cuban cigars! Especially Cohibas Lanceros!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  22. Kooch7800 says:

    Apparently Parenteau wants to stay with the Islanders. Too be honest playing with Tavares why wouldn’t you.

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/nyi120410.html

    “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Seemed pretty obvious. With him likely off the table, and the chances of us being in on Suter or Parise slim at best, trade is looking like the most viable way to add a top 6 winger.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        Parise is a real “blue-chipper” IMO, if the Habs can deal with the Gomez contract and perhaps even Kaberle, I would back up the Beer Truck (full of cash) for that guy. Moves have to be made to get that done

        “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
        Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          Agreed on how good Parise is, but reports suggest he’ll only leave NJ to go to a cup favorite which we’re likely 2 or 3 years away from.

          Likely Detroit, Vancouver or even Nashville will be more appealing. I’m also interested to see how SJ does. You have to imagine that if they don’t make at least the conference finals there will be major changes. I could see them making a push.

        • ont fan says:

          Parise is going to get 56 million over 8 years. 25% of that, the first year. He is going to a contender or with a team where he likes who’s on it. That’s not us.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Doan?

    • Strummer says:

      There has been a lot of commentary on Parenteau on this site this past season.

      I don’t get why.

      What’s so special about him?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  23. Say Ash says:

    So, are we getting ice girls this year or not?

  24. C-Sword says:

    We should go after Galchenyuk if we can’t pick Yakupov. No d-man please, we’re having a hard time scoring, we need forwards capable of putting pucks in the nets.

  25. Dr.Rex says:

    IF I was to become GM these would be my first priorities:
    1) Demagnetize Scott Gomez’s key cards to the Bell Centre.
    2) Hire Kato Kaelin as my assistant GM in order to entertain the media. HE will have a six press conferences a day that will cover nothing specific. Eventually the media will grow tired of his babbling and back off the team. I wll take him out to MCDOnalds each day before a game. Boone will write articles about how many nuggets he ate and Kato will be tested regularly to measure the EDTA levels in his blood.
    3) Have a special ceremony night for all those fans who grew up in the 70′s. WE will call them the lost generation and it will give them a chance to get together and discuss their favourite topic of “I remember the days when…..”
    4) Eventually I will have to hire a coach……..Kato and I will flatter Mikey Babcock a bit and he will be our man. Detroit files for compensation and eventually settle for Paloosh and 3rd.
    5) IF we remained in 3rd spot I would make a strong point to my draft team (Timmins) to go with Galchenyuk. Yakupov if we win the lotttery.
    6) Cole gets the C………………Gio understands after a pre game talk at McDonalds
    7) Trade Kaberle and Engvist to the Jets for Tanner Glass….Only deal available so I ran with it.
    8) SIgn Chris Kelly to a 3 yr 8.1 m deal on July 1st to solidify 3rd line with Eller and Bourque.
    9) Give strong offer to Ryan Suter but he chooses Philly instead so I then sign Bryan Allen to a 4 year 16 million deal.
    10) NO offers made to Darche, Campoli and unfortunetely Moen signs in Detroit for a way for Wings to get back at me for getting Babs.
    11) Extensions for Price and Subban….No details released as of yet. Fans will be surprised by bargain deals because they forgot they were both RFA’s and not UFA’s.
    12) Merci beaucoup nos fans. Everytime media asks me about my lack of french Kato responds by giving the media a extremely detailed description of the three loud noises he heard the night before while in bed and explains he only wet himself because he had too much soda before he went to bed.

  26. Rickly33 says:

    I thought the topic was the draft lottery?

    • Dr.Rex says:

      WHen Markov got an assist on PK’s goal in Vancouver he jumped into the air into Subban’s arms. Are the reporters suggesting he was faking it?

      WHen I came home from a business trip last month my gf did the exact same thing. Was she faking it? IS she cheating on me? Does she say next question when people ask her about me? Does she hate me? IS there some enormous amount of animosity between us? IS it over between us? Oh wait Im probably just making things up.

  27. boonie says:

    Great summary of a bad season by Mr. Melnick.

    He offered the first negative analysis (yep, not “woo hoo the boogie man has left the building”) of the departed “one trick pony”, Jacques Martin. Who, seems, oddly to be gaining a cult following as a real good hockey coach who implemented the only winnable system for a bad team.

    He railed against popular perception to knock Plecs and Markov. Ouch. Not unwarranted, but ouch.

    Unfortunately, like everyone else, he seems to want to fuel the Price V Halak debate.

    We need to spot being in awe of Mr. Carey Price. Outstanding talent – check. Outstanding pre-NHL resume – check. Outstanding SV% – check. Outstanding playoff results at the NHL-level — not yet. He saves us games, he costs us a some games (even the best aren’t perfect every night – that’s not a knock just reality).

    The real question must be, “should we have traded Halak for Lars Eller?”.

    Would have been better served with a top tier backup or 1A type goaltender than a 22-year old who hasn’t yet cracked the 20 goal mark (lacking PP time, no wingers, …)? Yes.

    Could we have fit him under the cap? Yes.

    Could our recently fired GM (thank-the-dear-lord and/or Mr. Molson) have erred and picked the high point of Halak’s career to trade him for an underwhelming return? Sure the heck looks like it.

    We now enjoy the hindsight of knowing that Gauthier was a lousy trader (average returns for vets at the most recent deadline, nice secondary deals for depth D and a relative steal for Wiz, but add Kaberle and Bourque to his resume and it sinks like a stone). Could it be that he did’t shop Halak but made another bone head knee jerk reaction when St. Louis made him an offer.

    I’m not a Halak guy or a Price guy. I’m a Habs guy and wished we still had what could have been the best one-two goaltending punch in the league. We would have had leverage as Price enters new contract negotiations; have had insurance in case his concussion issues are worse than feared; and have had a solid #2 that could have won some meaningful games and maybe gotten hot enough to get on a streak, spelling the uber talented young Carey for a long playoff run.

    That’s gone now. Instead, we have Lars Eller. Less performance to date than his talent would indicate. Of course, that’s how this rant got started in the first place.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I was a Halak guy when he was here, and I’m a Price guy now that he’s gone. It seems simple to me.

      We can moan and groan about the past all we want, but I think it’s time to stop the debate after two freakin years.

  28. Mattyleg says:

    I had a dream on Saturday night that Guy Carbonneau was named GM.
    Prophetic?
    Only time will tell…

    (It’s my birthday today… what’ll the Habs get me???)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • PeterD says:

      Dream?
      Nightmare!

    • punkster says:

      Hey, Happy Birthday!

      Now for heaven sake man, badmouth someone. Anyone.

      Hey I know, badmouth Price. Nobody on this site ever does. It might just start an interesting thread.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hmm…
        I’ll go out on a limb:
        I’m with Timo.
        I don’t get the EllerLove.
        He doesn’t make decisions quickly enough, gets caught in possession way way too often because of it, then takes stupid sticking penalties because, unlike a good beaver, he can’t keep track of where his wood is.

        He’s only 22. That’s a very good thing. Hopefully he’ll grow up and become wiser and more effective player.

        Hopefully.

        [edit - Thanks for the wishes, btw!]

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bripro says:

      All the best Matt.
      Hopefully next year, your poetry doesn’t tank the team. ;)

      • Mattyleg says:

        Thanks Brian!

        Ode To Tank Corps 1:

        Some negative fans known as ‘Tankers’,
        Thought themselves super-clever ‘draft-bankers’,
        They berated all season
        The Habs and their legion
        Of fans who think tankers are (get off those steps, you boys).

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      That would be like putting a teacher with only kindergarten class experience in charge of the toughest class in the school.

  29. cjhousegirl says:

    Concerning Markov re: Subban. When Markov picked up his first point of the season on a goal by P.K. Subban Markov joyously leaped into Subban’s arms. I think that says a lot more than whatever Markov didn’t say for some reporter at an end of a season presser.

    Regardless of what Markov may or may not think of him, Subban is the future and the present of this young team, and it’s Markov that now needs to find his place within it. When you play only 20 games over two years things change in the room. People change. The leadership structure changes. Markov is no longer a core player or leader. The team has had to move on from him out of necessity, and maybe he’s finding that difficult.

    Hopefully, Markov is able to play next year and at a level that he and we all find acceptable. Markov shouldn’t be talking about any of his teammates until he can bring something to the ice on a consistent basis. He needs to find his own game before opening up about anyone else’s.

    • boonie says:

      If you’re right that Markov is no longer a leader, and PK clearly didn’t need his tutelage, then why keep the guy? Seriously…

      Anyone?

      • cjhousegirl says:

        Because we lack depth on D and Markov can still be a useful player. I don’t know that Markov is a top 4 defenseman anymore. I guess we’ll find that out next season, but he can still help to run a PP that much was obvious in his 13 games. Puck movement was much better and Markov is still very good at keeping the puck in at the blueline. That’s something that most of our D don’t seem to do very well, including Subban, so we never had much possession time in the offensive zone on the PP, as soon as someone banged it off the boards it was out.

        Preferably, I see Markov as a #5 D going into next year. Markov – Emelin should be our bottom pairing. With Gorges and Subban as another pairing that means we still need two top 4 D for next season.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah, I didn’t always like all the people I worked with, but when the chips were down, we were all doing the same job, and we supported each other. Our personalities didn’t gel, but we did our jobs professionally.

      Markov is a quiet guy and a vet. PK is a big mouth and was a rookie last year. Perhaps they don’t get along great, but that doesn’t mean a damn thing. Not all hockey players have to be besties, you know.

      I agree with what you’re sayin’!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • PeterD says:

      I agree with you…
      Markov is nearing the end of his career, PK is just starting his.
      I would clearly rather have PK around the way he is now for the next 10 years than a declining Markov.
      I project that PK will improve each year until he is a true dominent defenseman in the league…1st team all-star.
      Markov?…not so much from here…I think his best days are behind him…
      However, if he can spend the summer strenghening and improving his knees flexibility he will be a very good top end D-man for a few more years.

      • cjhousegirl says:

        I think Subban will be a dominant defenseman by the time he’s 26-27 too. Most defensemen’s prime begins at that age. Subban not only has an offensive game that will only improve with time, but his physical game is coming along nicely as well. With his dedication to strength and conditioning, he is going to become an immovable force quite soon.

    • Bripro says:

      You have to think that perhaps, as pointed out earlier, he’s just shy. And, there’s the possibility that he chooses not to either glorify or trash a team-mate to the media.
      It’s fairly obvious by his demeanour that question period irritates him. He’s a very private person, that’s obvious.
      As for his abilities, we’ll see in September if this coming summer will serve to bring his power legs back, because that too is obvious; that his legs aren’t there right now.
      Perhaps Subban irritates him, but he’s courteous enough not to say so.

  30. frozengolf says:

    Here is my fantasy offseason:

    -We win the lottery tonight and pick Yakupov in June.
    -New G.M. (Brisbrois or Brisson or Bergevin, any of them would be fine with me) buys out Gomez and the new CBA allows us no cap hit (like the last CBA).
    -We trade Plecanec, Gionta, Weber an a 2nd for Nash.
    -Our top line next year is Nash, Yakupov, Eller,2nd line is the DD line. Two strong scoring lines.
    -We keep all of our young junior talent (Tinordi, Gallager, Beaulieu, Ellis, etc.) on the farm for one year.
    -Next year we pick up Sidney Crosby as free agent, bring up all te kids from the farm, and we are instant Stanley Cup contenders…sigh,I can dream, can`t I?

    _________________________________________________________
    “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If Eller was the centre of Nash and Yak as the first line we would be in deep doo doo.

      If Eller was our number 1 centre this year we would have beat out Columbus for the number 1.

      Eller CURRENTlY is a third line centre. hopefully he will develop in top 6 but currently he isn’t ready for that yet. Don’t rush him.

      We need a Winger. I would rather have Pleks -Yak and Gio as a line

      “Like Canadian Hip hop..check us out http://www.groovecontrolmusic.com

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I’ll play.

      Draft Yakupov or Galchenyuk
      Brisebois or Bergevin new GM
      Steal Tippett as new HC
      Robinson brought in as assistant
      Buyout Gomez
      Trade for one of Dustin Brown, Chris Stewart, Ryan Clowe.
      Start dating Alison Brie, Zoe Saldana, Rashida Jones, or Mila Kunis.
      Win lifetime supply of Guinness.
      Finally beat Mike Tyson’s Punch Out on Nintendo.

      Greatest summer ever.

    • punkster says:

      Here’s my fantasy off season:
      – break 90 consistently
      – land a 12 pound or more pike
      – spend 20 minutes alone with Sofia Vergara

      Bet I have more fun!

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Cal says:

      I do not believe there will be any Cap amnesty. The only reason that teams were able to buy out bad contracts was because for the first time the NHL had a salary cap.

  31. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So we got Price bashers, PK bashers, Markov bashers.

    Who else can we bash on this team?

  32. matt jordan says:

    Mitch Melnick is totally right.

    “To the legion of hockey brain dead Price bashers who spend their time “analyzing” hockey by watching slow motion replays on TV – you embarrass this market.”

    This was hands down the worst edition of the Canadiens ever assembled (at the puny price of $65M) and the only reason there’s hope for the near future is the backbone of this team, Carey Price. Everyone knows that, even Leafs fans know this.

  33. habs-hampton says:

    Repost:

    For you Price bashers, maybe you’re heard of a guy playing in the USA called Martin Brodeur. Check out his stats for his first few years. I know, he was playing on a crappy team, but guess what … so was Carey!

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=262

  34. Habshire says:

    Brian Wilde just said that Price played with a compressed spine this year. First I’ve heard about this.

  35. habsfanforever7631 says:

    About the PK Markov thing, I agree with Boone, if you watch most of Markovs interviews he’s short with his answers and doesn’t talk much.
    But Still I think Markov should have said the usual “Yeah I think he came far.” or “He’s a young guy and he’s still learning, but he’ll be a good player.” even if they don’t like each other he should of said that. Probably Markov was somehow trying to be funny.
    But now the media will probably come out with stuff like PK’s teammates all hate him and all the other stuff, let’s not start the whole trade PK thing again!

    • D Mex says:

      Beyond a decent selection of scripted responses and an apparent desire to learn as he goes, I wonder about Markov’s capacity to freelance in english any time I watch him in front of the cameras.
      When combined with what may be ‘ pride ‘ (I haven’t seen him ask to have a question repeated or explained), this may explain the ‘ next question ‘ responses to a degree. It does for me.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  36. Ian Cobb says:

    Question!!
    Will Markov, (now that he wants to) be permitted to play for the Russian National team against PK and Team Canada.?????

  37. Mr San Diego Hab says:

    If interested, I am looking for a handful of people who would like to join my fantasy playoff league.
    This is a free league so it is just for fun.
    Auto-draft is later tonight (7pm WC time) so get in now.
    Here is the info you need to sign up:

    http://www.fantasypostseason.com/user/register

    The league access information is:
    League ID: 18626
    League Password: 111111

    • smiler2729 says:

      I’m in

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  38. habsfanforever7631 says:

    2 questions

    1. If we end up drafting third, Will it get you mad if we draft galchenyuk instead of Grigorenko?
    2. Since the Habs are not there this year, how will you follow the playoffs?
    A. Every game?
    B. Pick a team and follow them?
    C. Watch a game here and there?
    D. Not at all?

    Personally I am more C because the Habs are not there it will hurt to watch the playoffs.

    BTW, already missing Habs hockey.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      1) I will not be mad if the Habs draft Galchenyuk, I will have to assume that the Habs scouts put in hours, upon hours, upon hours to arrive at the decision. I would be mad if they Traded the pick to Tampa for Lecalvier’s contract that is worse than Gomez’.

      2) I’ll watch lots of games and adopt whichever team my heart leads me to. I always enjoy watching San Jose, they physically dominate teams, but never seem to be able to score clutch goals. I haven’t watched many Rags games this season, be interested to watch them, and fellow PEI native Brad Richards.

    • frozengolf says:

      1. No, I would prefer if they pick Galchenyuk, I’ve heard Grigorenko floats too much.
      2. I will be cheering loudly for anyone who plays against the Bruins. Go Washington!

      _________________________________________________________
      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

  39. petefleet says:

    A few things that I need to get off my chest:

    It was a bad year for the Habs but for all the right reasons. Huh? It’s not like they played like the Leafs or the Bluejackets. Yes, I know the Leafs finished ahead of them but honestly, did you wantch any Leafs games? They really suck.
    PK, liked or not by Markov, is irrelevant. PK is the future of the organization. Next year might be the year he finishes +20 and scores 50+ pts. You know what that means? Norris Trophy. Markov will be lucky to finish the season in one piece. Bad contract. PS: I liked what Markvo was able to bring to the table all these years, but you can’t deny what your eyes can see. He’s slow and will be next year unless one more year of rehabbing will make a difference.
    Carey is the stud I never thought he’d be. His demeaner in the net used to drive me crazy. His laxadaisial approach to the game made me scream at the TV more than once. That said, he has arrived, not withstanding the handfull of bloopers that made their way in this year at the worst possible time during a game. Why can’t he shit to bed when the game is out of reach, not when it’s tight…..oh yeah, because he helped make the game tight.
    Pleks is still the best all round player on the team, period. His skill set is in a league of it’s own with only a half dozen other NHLers, maybe. This guy is a keeper and will have a hell of a year starting Oct 2012.
    Rene Bourque is being thrown under tha bus because he’s not French? Because he only scored 5 goals for a new team in a new city that he probably had no interest in going to? I don’t know. I do know that if by Xmas of 2012 if he hasn’t lit the lamp 15 times, I’ll be on the bandwagon driving him out of town but not at this point, not yet.
    Last but not least….this team is close. It was obvious to anyone who watched all the games this year. I can count the embarrassments on one hand. most games won or lost were close. Don’t pull the pin on the Habs grenade yet.
    Really this is last…Nathan McKinnon, a good Halifax boy, is guarenteed #1 next year, could we not finish last just once to enable us to get a real, bonfide superstar? Probably not.

    ******************************************

    “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

    RGM
    ***Habs Forever***

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I think Pleks is a good NHL player that needs to play with “better” wingers to have success offensively. He does not make the players around him better. I like him and think he brings a lot to the team. I agree he is a keeper.

      As for Mackinnon, if the team has the same group of D next season, they have a shot at drafting first.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Good Post Pete!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  40. mark_ID says:

    I hate to even comment on this, but I for one am a little bothered by the way Markov treated the question regarding PK.

    Hopefully, it is just his dry sense of humour, but still. This is the last thing this team needed, considering the season is over(entirely to early)

    Markov is supposed to be an assistant captain and a leader on this team. Why he would arrogantly say ‘next question’ as if he does not care for PK is beyond me.

    Could we honestly see Cole or Gionta ever saying that about any of their teammates?? Don’t think so. They would have nothing but praise to say about their teammates.

    If you don’t like someone, fine…..but keep it within the team. There is absolutely no need to create more contraversy….after a season that had entirely too much already.

    Really dissapointed in #79….

    Hopefully i am just overreacting though.

    “Step off George”

    • Les Canayens says:

      Here’s Subban wearing Russian hockey team gears after they won the Junior Worlds, as a results of a bet with Markov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6KvubJC4E

      So Markov saying “next question” maybe just a friendly jive to Subban, which the over-sensitive Montreal sports journalists, dying for something to put as content the next day, are too eager to interpret it as something controversial.

      edit: here a better video: http://youtu.be/WmrMGjGtSz8

      • mark_ID says:

        Yea it is so true with the Montreal media…..so I hope you are right. Markov should know better though lol.

        Ps….didn’t think Markov looked that great at all for those 15 games or so…..just saying. So he is one of the last people who should look to criticize others(if that’s what he was doing)

        “Step off George”

  41. H.Upmann says:

    I was a fan of Halak, but I can’t even begin to imagine what this team would look like without Price. More than a laughing stock I bet.

    • ElMcFoldo says:

      Price is the backbone of this team. Those who can’t see that are fools.

      This team has so many pressing issues to deal with but let’s focus on the positives for a moment, shall we?

      1. Carey Price- Is there a better goalie to start a rebuild with than him?

      2. P.K. Subban- A top pairing workhorse with a remarkable passion for the game and skill set to match.

      3. Max Pacioretty- An absolute beast of a forward whose best years are still ahead of him.

      4. A top 4 pick in this years draft- Other than Grigorenko who scares me a bit, this should land us another solid piece of the puzzle.

      5. New CBA= good chance to clear off some dead weight
      If there is a penalty free buyout clause, Gomez and maybe Kaberle could be sent packing allowing us a relatively clean slate.

      6. Desharnais, Eller, White, Emelin and Leblanc are young and still have plenty of room to grow.

      7. Gionta, Georges and Cole are all good veterans who lead by example.

      8. I like Thomas Plekanec despite an underwhelming year. He will be an asset whether we keep him or deal him. I wouldn’t rule out dealing him if the right deal were out there.

      9. Gallagher, Tinordi and Beaulieu all look like good NHL prospects. Our AHL depth should start to gradually improve next year.

      10. Budaj had a nice end to the year. I think he can be trusted to hold down the fort when Carey needs a rest next season.

      • Stev.R says:

        Kaberle wouldn’t be bought out even if we could. Where else are we going to find a guy who can put up points like him, for as cheap as he is? He may not be as reliable defensively, but there is only one Lidstrom in the league. Put him with a strong defensive partner and it will help lower some of the defensive gaffs he makes.

        I think there are questions surrounding all of the draft prospects so I don’t think singling out Grigorenko is warranted. He has just received more attention as he is ranked so high.

        Plekanec’s “underwhelming” year is based more on perception rather than actual production.

        It’s spelt Gorges.

        Other than that I agree with everything you said I believe.

  42. Bripro says:

    I just got off the phone in a conference-call with Stephen Bartlett, Pat Brisson, Jay Grossman, Gilles Lupien and half-a-dozen other agents.
    God knows why they were calling me in the first place.
    All I did was ask Markov if he and the rest of the team would be interested in playing some pick-up hockey on simulated ice against a contingent of HIO guys, and he answered “next question!”.
    When I told him that was the only question I had, he said “his people” would get back to me.
    I assured them that I would only pick loyal HIO fans, not the tankers or trash-talkers.
    They directed me to some remote area of the NHLPA website, where I had to agree “To the following terms and conditions…..”, reminded me of intellectual property notices, exclusions, liabilities, and privacies.
    All I want to do is keep the hockey mood going, in a positive manner.
    Brisson thinks I’m aiming for his job…. I asked which one?
    He took the 5th. Does that mean he’s our next GM?

  43. smiler2729 says:

    So does the GM-To-Be-Named use the pick or deal it in June?

    What teams with mid to low 1st round picks would be willing to move up and what are they willing to give?

    Has Markov immersed himself into the Big Bucks Busts we want moved with Gomez, Kaberle and Bourque?

    Is Plekanec in play?

    Is Emelin signed beyond this year or the KHL seducing him back?

    Does Cunneyworth deserve a longer shot at helming the team (yeah, he can take french lessons, merci beaucoup, bonjour la visite, un chien-chaud et la poutine, mon ami, Jean-Guy)

    Instead of bitching about Price & PK, can we not just talk in the reality of the now?

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Check with Serge Savard, it was reported on the last thread that the new GM is a firgure head and Serge has all the power.

      • Bripro says:

        Did they say “figure head” or “bobble head”?

      • smiler2729 says:

        Oh man, I hope not.

        Remember the two-headed GM in Dallas, Brett Hull & The Other Guy? Yeah, that worked out.

        _______________________________________________
        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
        Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
        Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  44. K-hab25 says:

    Team GAA last year 2.51 good enough for 8th overall. Defensemen on that team – Hamerlik, Spacek, Gill, Subban, Wiz, Sopel, Mara. Team GAA this year 2.61 good enough for 11th overall. Defensemen on that team – Subban, Gorges, Kaberle, Emelin, Diaz, Weber, Campoli. Ya I think the Halakite, Price haters are right, it’s Prices fault we’re 28th overall.

  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    You think our fans and media are nuts?

    Google Ozzie Guillen.

    Holy Moly!


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The guy is a complete moron, the fan base of the Miami Marlins is a huge percentage of Cuban descent people who can’t stand Fidel, and that idiot stands up and says he loves the guy. Unbelievable.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I thought they hated Fidel for his attacks on freedom of expression.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The time has come for the U.S.A. to end its undeclared war on the nation of Cuba and normalize relations. Its people are educated and share the same values we do in North America, there is a lot of common ground. Instead of trying to engineer social change in the Middle East, it should take modest steps to do so in its own backyard, and embrace its neighbour, and not allow a political conflict from half a century ago to dictate that a barrier must exist between millions of people.

        ———————————
        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  46. New says:

    Thanks for the Melnick link. Sometimes I read too many of the comments or pay too much attention to some of the media. It is helpful to remember that not everyone has an axe to grind or looks at things with blinders on. One heck of a great read Boone.

  47. Rob says:

    This has probably been the most entertaining page of comments I’ve read in a long while. The usuals are here doing their thing, but some of the comebacks and one liners have been top notch! Special mentions to Mattyleg, Mr. Biter, and Ozmodiar. Thanks for the laughs.

    The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  48. smiler2729 says:

    The know-nothings that knock Price should be reading and writing their titilating turd at http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32

    Get yer Garry Unger, Ed Kea, Bernie Federko and Mike Liut retro jerseys too…

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  49. johnny boy says:

    RE: Possible work stoppage. Does anyone know what happens to player contracts in the event of a work stoppage? For example, if the NHL loses a year to a labour dispute, does that take a year off of Gomez’s contract?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I believe it does.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • 24 Cups says:

      It did last time.

      In a crazy way, a lockout would be beneficial to the Habs. It would allow the team to eat a year on the Gomez, Kaberle, Bourque, Gionta and Markov contracts while all the kids get to gain some valuable experience in Hamilton.

      The downside being that players such as Price, Subban and MaxPac would be a year closer to UFA.

  50. johnny boy says:

    taking a little break from work and musing about Habs needs. Irrespective of who the Habs draft and which (if any) prospects make the team in 2012-13, the Habs need to add 2 top-6 wingers and 2 top-4 D-men. Presuming they find a way to move and/or dump Gomez, Bourque and Kaberle, this would be the core of next year’s team.

    Desharnais – Cole – Patches
    Pleks – New Winger 1 – New Winger 2
    Eller – Gionta – Leblanc
    White – Moen – Darche

    Subban – Gorges
    New D#1 – New D#2
    Markov – Emelin

    Price – Budaj

    Reserves: Geoffrion, Staubitz, Diaz, St. Denis

  51. New says:

    So the way I understand it the Canadiens will likely draft 3rd or 4th? The excitement is about the 14% chance they might get to draft 1st and not the 30 % chance they will be shoved to fourth?

    I feel so sorry for these players. They try so hard to weight their words and not play into the hands of the sensationalists. Half the year is spent trying not to upset people who are trying to be upset. They don’t even order seperate checks in the hotel for fear someone takes it as a slur against a team mate or a political statement.

  52. JUST ME says:

    Just heard Brian Burke`s press conference. I mean i`m still trying to close my jaws. I am trying to imagine how we in Mtl would deal with 7 years without playoffs and i understand why the fans in TO are within the best of the league. They may be loud and obnoxious but they sure are disciplined. We would have made a street protest long ago and Francois Gagnon would be like a fish in the sea of angry drooling reporters sensing blood…

    Burke maintains that they need big guys to win games,big orange cones. He even said that the penguins system is crap cause they got Crosby in the lottery . Penguin`s system my a** he said. This guy is really outdated and pretencious.

    • Thurston says:

      I guess Brian Burke forgot he got Bobby Ryan in Anaheim thanks to that same lottery.
      Burke is a blowhard. Simple as that.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Pittsburgh also drafted Fleury and Malkin with top picks, Burke is an excuse-making a-hole.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  53. ed lopaz says:

    I don’t know why its so sensitive a subject.

    When Price plays dominant hockey (as he did for almost the entire season 2 seasons ago), the Habs win more often then they lose.
    that is precisely how they ended up with 96 points 2 seasons ago.

    When Price is human, average, or whatever you want to call it, the Habs lose far more often than they win.

    I don’t need any stats to prove the above.

    All I had to do was watch the games.

    This has been a reality in hockey, at all levels, – not just on the Habs – for years.

    Look at the teams that have success, and you will find hot goaltending.

    Its the “consistency” that becomes the issue.

    Last year Price was “consistently” hot, and one of the league’s most valuable players.

    This year Price did not bring his game to that same level.

    • K-hab25 says:

      Price lost the exact same amount of games in regulation this year, as he did last year. He lost 11 in ot/so this year, 6 last year. He started 70 games last year, 65 this year. Basically what I’m saying is the difference in Prices play this year, as compared to last, is minimal. Yet I keep hearing how great he was last year and how “average” he was this year. The reality is he had a healthier better team in front of him last year, than he did this year. I also don’t need “stats” to “prove the above.”

    • RGM says:

      Here’s the problem as it relates to Price playing like Superman relative to Price playing like Clark Kent – if Brian Gionta or Erik Cole or Lars Eller have an off night and it coincides with a Habs loss, they don’t get singled out for it. We don’t see a cadre of dedicated Saku Koivu or Guillaume Latendresse or Matt D’Agostini fans suddenly light up the boards lamenting the fact that those three are gone and doing magical and wonderful things in another organization.
      18 players in front of Price are held to a different standard than Price when the team loses. If the Habs lose 3-1, it’s not because 18 guys couldn’t utilize 60 minutes and muster up 4 goals, it’s because Price “let in a demoralizing goal” at the 8:58 mark of the second period and it was so demoralizing that 18 guys just couldn’t get enough umption in their gumption to go out and get the marker right back.

      This is not a blanket statement. There are of course numerous intelligent people that realize it is always the fault of Scott Gomez and/or Tomas Kaberle. I kid. Winning and losing hockey games is a team effort. Price is happy to give all the credit in the world to his teammates when he posts a shutout. He is equally likely to assume his share of responsibility when the team loses. But there are far too many people on this site and elsewhere that heap a disproportionate amount of the blame for a loss on Price, who are “coincidentally” never there to give him an “atta boy” when he makes 35 saves in a narrow 2-1 victory.

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  54. HabFanSince72 says:

    Subban and Price are the present. Let’s talk about the future.

    On the other thread Mr Boone has gotten a head start on the Grigorenko as lazy Russian meme – BEFORE HE IS EVEN DRAFTED! –
    (Add Mr Boone isn’t even a member of the French Media ® )

    So let’s run through the list of draft picks, and get an early start on the memes.

    Which one is the locker room cancer ® ? the smurf ® ? The Lazy Russian ® (all of them?). The Francophone who doesn’t want to play here ® ?


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    • Ali says:

      Yeah, its quite annoying, but he’s also lobbying for Julien Brisebois to be GM, someone with no hockey background at all. And the guy plays for Roy, who can’t be described as an easy coach to play for, and puts up results. The guy LOOKS lazy because he makes the play seem simple. He’s compared more to Malkin than he is to Yashin.

      • RGM says:

        Julien BriseBois has no hockey background at all? 9 years in management in the Canadiens organization and you say he has no background in the sport. Aye-iy-aye.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      To be fair, Mr. Boone’s qualms about drafting Mr. Grigorenko isn’t limited to his nationality. He clearly states that he prefers drafting Mr. Galchenyuk because of his playing in a tougher league and being touted as a #1 pick as a 17 year old, before his injury.

      I do take the reports of Mr. Grigorenko with a grain of salt, wary that it may be a smokescreen by a team trying to engineer a player’s fall right into their lap. I remember also that Mario Lemieux was knocked for being lazy before he was drafted too. Sometimes big centers with a long stride fool us into thinking they’re not trying very hard.

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  55. FanCritic says:

    If management, Coaches and Players think PK is a problem for the team than maybe a trade would be the thing to do. something like. PK,Eller and a 2nd rounder to Nashville for Shea Weber…

    • RGM says:

      That’s an awful lot of assets to give up for a guy that’s a year away from potential UFA status. It is my lifelong dream to see Weber in a Habs uniform, but patience is a virtue…

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  56. shiram says:

    Let’s get rid of PK so that in a season or two HIO can complain about giving up on PK and young players never succeeding in MTL.
    Let’s get rid of Price so that in a season or two HIO can complain about giving up on Price and young players never succeeding in MTL.

  57. habs-hampton says:

    So once we cut Carey loose, who is the replacement?

  58. Chuck says:

    So it’s settled… if the Habs win the lottery they need to use that 1st pick to grab a decent goaltender!

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  59. Ian Cobb says:

    The media will try to read anything into a story!!
    Markov was a great Russian, Future?
    PK is chocolate lightning with a killer smile and some thunder! He loves and own’s Montreal!

    • Lafrich says:

      Dude. You seem like you are a good guy, and I am assuming you mean no harm, so, as a word of advice, I’d be careful in the future with the “chocolate” reference.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Not at all!

        • Lafrich says:

          Understood. I am sure you said it in a positive way, and you have now referenced a time in which you have used the term directly with him, but these are public boards, with people who do not know you personally, and do not know that you have a relationship with PK, so I stand firmly believing that the reference should be kept personal, as posters may read and be misled. How’s that for a run-on sentence?

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Too many people worry about offending. Ian’s words would not be taken as offensive by anyone, chocolate or otherwise….unless they were looking to create a problem.

            Go Habs Go!!

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          • Rob says:

            Anyone who “infers” racial prejudice based on something as innocent as what Ian has said here, is not someone whose opinion is worth changing anything for. This is not, by the way, a knock on you Lafrich. Just stating that I don’t feel like Ian, being the person that he is, needs to worry doing anything differently, at least not in terms of how he conducts himself on and for this website.

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        • habstrinifan says:

          Didnt see anything wrong with chocolate reference Ian.. from your caramel chocolate brotha.

          OK now I think we are getting pretty close to some king of political incorrectness. So I am gonna keep quiet.

    • Clutch10 says:

      ” chocolate lightning ” love it

  60. Timo says:

    For a change Boone makes a good point. If Markov is not happy with Subban he can shove it where sun don’t shine. What was his contribution to the team in the past 2 years?

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Timo! Bingo!!

    • Bripro says:

      I met Markov last summer at the local Costco.
      I offered my hand, which he shook like a wet noodle (here I was thinking he was going to crush my hand, considering he has inches and 30 pounds on me).
      I asked him if he was excited in coming back, and guess what his answer was……(ready for this?)?
      “Next question!”
      He’s a true one-liner, and arrogant to boot!
      At least with PK, you get a shallow, no-frills, smiling face willing to give you the time of day.

      • Timo says:

        I met (saw) Markov several times at Troika. He always has a “don’t effing disturb me” look on his face. Snob, that’s how I’d best describe him. I would never bother chatting up a hockey player anyway (there is nothing I want to say to them) but he looked like a guy who would walk past a kid waiting for him in a rain for an autograph and wouldn’t even acknowledge.

        • ooder says:

          you went to Troika??? that place is garabage

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          • Timo says:

            It is. I prefer Hermitage on Queen Mary. Decor is nothing to look at but chef Oleg is very very good.

        • Max says:

          Markov is a classic dry witted,dour and sullen Slav. I don’t really care about his personality as long as he can play well. I’m expecting big things from him next season.

          In Russia,people don’t smile for no reason like the Americans, and people who smile all the time are considered a bit “off”.

          It’s just a cultural thing.

          • jakobsbror says:

            I concur. It’s a cultural thing, Markov was probably attempting at being funny, in a Slav manner, but it did not translate well to English. Frankly, I see the question as a direct attempt from the interviewer to slander or diss PK. What could Markov say? Joke the question away, and I’m glad he did.

            That you misunderstood Markov is one thing, but make the whole thing have a bad spin tells more about yourselves than what you accuse Markov of being.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Ha!!
        I think that’s his sense of humour.
        I never considred him arrogant.
        He’s pretty shy, and I guess his attempts at humour don’t always work.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Interesting. So the “Next question” is not something he did deliberately or planned, it’s an expression he picked up from Drew Rosenhaus and has been running with. Kind of gives context to a puzzling incident.

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      • HabFanSince72 says:

        My cousin is Markov’s dental hygienist.

        When she or the dentist asks him “Can you open wide please” or “any problems with cold or hot liquids?” he always says “next question”.

        Everyone gets a kick out of it.

        As a joke they’ve replaced all his fillings with mercury.


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  61. Bripro says:

    Although I agree on almost everything Mitch Melnick summarized, IMO he’s being unnecessarily hard on Pleks.
    How do you expect a player who’s paired on 22 different line combinations, with over-achievers like Bourque, to succeed at the same level that he had when he was paired with Kovalev and AK for a long stretch?
    He deserves better. Hopefully next year, he’ll have the wingers to prove that Melnick, on this one, was barking up the wrong tree.

  62. Propwash says:

    Put any other goalie behind this team, and I can pretty much guarantee that the outcome of the season would be the same. To expect lights out goaltending night after night just does not happen in the real world.

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    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Kind of an over-generalization. If the Habs had Lundqvist, Rinne or Quick (this year) then their record might be better (probably not by much). Put anyone else in, and their record may have even rivaled Columbus’.

  63. Ozmodiar says:

    >He’s a hot dog, which for me is not entirely a negative.

    If there’s one place where a good hot dog is appreciated, it’s the Bell Centre.

  64. habsnyc says:

    I am not a Price basher, but Melnick proving that Price is the second best goalie on a last place team over the past 15 years is possibly the best ammunition anyone could ever give a Price basher.

    Classic.

    I mean it used to be that a compliment was being the best goalie in a decade on the best team. Now greatness is measured by being the second best of the worst. Seriously the best laugh I have had in months. And that people look at it as some kind of compliment is just icing on the cake.

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    • christophor says:

      That argument went completely over your head then.

      The problem is this; there are two groups:

      (1) A large group of people stand by the usefulness, on their own, of traditional goalie stats. These people might say something like, “if Price is good, how can he have the 20th best SV%?”

      (2) Another group of people don’t see stats as very reliable indicators of a goalie’s performance. They think they say something useful but only in a context. These people think it’s hard to tell how much a goalie is responsible for a team being bad and how much a team is responsible for a goalie being bad (the same works for good teams and good goalies). If a goalie on a bad team has better stats than virtually all goalies on all the bad teams in recent history, then that’s a pretty reliable indicator that the badness belongs to the team and not to the goalie. In fact, it suggests that the goalie is the least of the team’s problems.

      To call this is a bad argument for the reasons you give is to assume that Price is responsible for Montreal being a bad team. You need to ARGUE for this. You can’t just assume the contrary of position (2).

      • habsnyc says:

        trust me, the argument did not go over my head. Melnick attempted to disprove an assertion that Price is not a great goalie. He attempted to disprove it by saying that within a body of goalies who are on worst teams, Price stands out as better.

        This proves that Price is not a terrible goalie. It does not disprove the assertion that Price is not a great goalie. It was Melnick who failed to disprove. I demonstrated the irrelevence of his disproval.

        None of this has anything to do with what I think of Price – lots of potential, not yet actualized over an entire season. It has to do with the idiocy of saying someone is the second best goalie on a worst team over the past 15 years. It is such an irrelevent assertion as to be laughable.

        You know why Steve Stamkos is great? Because no one needs to use convoluted stats to say he is great.

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        • christophor says:

          Ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that the reason players are great is because they’re great. Brilliant explanation.

          Also, just because an explanation is more complicated doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I look at it this way: if the argument that Price’s numbers are actually quite good for a team that is in 28th cannot be used as an indicator that Price himself is pretty good, then is there any way of being able to tell how good a goalie is on a last-place team?

      Seems like habsync has put Price into a lose-lose situation. One can’t say Price is any good if he has bad numbers on a team having a horrible year. However, even comparing his numbers to other goalies who happen to be on last-placed teams still doesn’t take away the fact that the team is in last and therefore Price couldn’t be that good anyways/no one can claim Price has been good.

      The only way to be considered good is to be on a good team and have good numbers. Nevermind that that would mean that the rest of the team in front of him would also be playing much better. Or can we only say Price is good if he plays on a bad team, but single-handedly steals X number of games so that the team is at the top of the conference?

      • habsnyc says:

        No, I did not put Price in any situation. Melick called him the second best goalie on a last place team over 15years. I would totally avoid making judgements such as those, because to me, they sound exceedingly stupid.

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  65. habs-hampton says:

    Good article by Melnick, especially his assessment of Price. Now, you can analyze stats all you want, and the measuring stick for goalies these days is Save Pct. It used to be GAA in the old days. What doesn’t get measured (and really can’t be) is Save Pct. weighted by the Quality of the Shots. I will argue that with the inexperienced d-men in front of Carey, he faced WAY too many good scoring chances and too many 2nd chances. The Habs sometimes outshot the opposition, but really how difficult are those saves when the shots are taken from the boards below the hash marks?

    • PureGuava says:

      But was the D really that bad? Price makes a big save every 3 games, or wins a shootout here and there, and they look a lot better.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

      • shiram says:

        Beyond Subban and Gorges the D was horrendous.
        People can talk about how Emelin/Diaz did good for rookies getting used to new rules and League, but they just were not good enough.

        • dhenry1234 says:

          Not good enough this year. But I see them as still developing NHL players. They were not good enough this year but there’s still potential there.

          I prefer Emelin over Diaz because I think Emelin brings something to the habs team that we haven’t seen since Komisarek was paired with Markov.

          If markov can make Komisarek look good, I sure think that he would be able to make Emelin look even better.

          • shiram says:

            Sure, and I’m not throwing them under the bus.
            In normal circumstances, Diaz would have played in the AHL, and maybe Emelin too, but with the injuries they had to step up, and did good considering their status, but the Habs D corps was just not strong enough to support so many rookie players.

      • habs-hampton says:

        Any team that has Campoli and Kaberle playing regular shifts has a bad D corp..

      • Chuck says:

        20 losses this season when the Habs scored 1 or fewer goals for him.

        It wasn’t just the defense that was bad; the offense sure wasn’t helping him out a lot, either.

        I just don’t understand why when some folks are presented with stats that show that he’s a very good goalie that they still feel the need to minimize his accomplishments. They’re as bad as the ‘Pricebots’ who they claim have a blind allegiance to Carey.

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      • Price07 says:

        Was the D that bad? Kaberle (Carolina GM Jim Rutherford said it was a big mistake signing this guy and happily pawned him off onto us), Campoli(remember no one wanted this guy and was signed in september?), Diaz (who?), Weber (done nothing defensively), Gorges is solid but not a top pairing D and Subban is a sophmore, give Price a break his D was terrible.

  66. PureGuava says:

    I’m so sick of this Boone. Every time somebody tables a legitimate criticism of Price’s game, they are branded a traitor and a moron. He was not good this season, not by a long shot. He crapped the bed in a contract year! Further, if you surround him with any other goalie that can play, he crumbles. He’s got Josh Gorges blocking 73 shots a game, and he still never manages to come up with a game-breaking save. Let’s make the first priority of the new GM, the same as the old one(s) – Protect Price at any cost. Let’s sign him for 7 yrs at 6 million a season. He’s not a bad goalie, and one day he may turn out to be a very good one – but this Price blanket of blind love is dangerous.

    Keep on drinking Bob and Pierre’s Kool-aid. They consensus is that they were wrong on just about everything else they did….but Price has always got a free ride.
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    • punkster says:

      Ya, really, the guy’s a stiff.

      As Boone pointed out the other day: “Carey Price is the only goaltender in NHL history to have two seasons with a save percentage at .920 or better by the time he’s 23 while playing over 40 games in each season. Goalies that have had one by that age? Roberto Luongo, Henrik Lundqvist and Tuukka Rask.”

      So PG, who should they sign to replace this horrible excuse for a goalie?

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Mattyleg says:

        The world never ceases to amaze me.
        This time it’s: People actually respond to this guy.

        Every day is a new discovery!
        ;)

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      • PureGuava says:

        Give the D a break, their franchise goalie never bailed them out.

        Gill, Gorges, Emelin, Subban – and even Diaz all played well! The team had one of the best PK percentages in the league.

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        – Robert Anton Wilson

    • habs-hampton says:

      Boones the man! This site is dead without him. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, but at least its out there for discussion.

      In Carey’s defense, maybe you’re heard of a guy playing in the USA called Martin Brodeur. Check out his stats for his first few years. I know, he was playing on a crappy team, but guess what … so was Carey!

      http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=262

    • Habsrule1 says:

      You’re just wrong. It’s not complicated. Most NHL goalies would have worse stats with a defense like Price had in front of him. There’s a reason he was picked for the ASG even with so-so stats. The people who made that decision know how well he has played, given the team’s play. If he wasn’t as good as he was, they could have easily taken Cole or Pacioretty instead.
      Just keep watching. You’ll see it eventually (I hope).

      Go Habs Go!!

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    • dhenry1234 says:

      I’m curious PureGuava; What goaltender would you rather have playing for the Habs?

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Definitely a Stanley cup winner like Anti Niemi.

        Dammit, where’s that confounded sarcasm button.

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      • K-hab25 says:

        Halak of course.

      • PureGuava says:

        Not saying i’d rather have another goaltender, i’m stating that this love affair with Price is not justified.

        Is he good? Sure!

        Is he great? No…maybe someday.

        I could cherry pick some stats to tell you that he sucks, and you could show me some that prove he’s the greatest goalie ever – that’s not what i’m interested in.

        In the five years that he has played here, he was awful for two of them, average for two, and good for one of them. This is a fair assessment of his career thus far. Am I saying go out and get another goalie?!? No. I just don’t see the same goalie that you all seem to. I wish I did. I see a goalie that has not once lived up to the hype. I see a goalie that got two coaches ran out of town by a bad General Manager to protect his investment…that has yet to pay off. Price seems like a great guy – hell, I like him, I just don’t know if he’s the answer to our prayers. Signing him long term, for xxxx amout of dollars does not seem like the best move for the team. I’d give him 4 years for 5 a season or something cautious.

        Not these 7 or 8 year deals that people keep lobbying for.

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        – Robert Anton Wilson

  67. The Cat says:

    I dont understand what Melnick and other Pricebots dont understand or maybe they cant read I dont know…Most people arent knocking Price, theyre just saying he isnt excellent, hes good yes but not excellent. If Price is excellent, then all goalies (except 4 or 5) are excellent also. This is not knocking him or insulting him. ‘Not fawning over’ doesnt equal ‘knocking’ or ‘dissing’.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • PureGuava says:

      Exactly!

      I would love it if this guy lived up to his billing – but 5 seasons in, he has not. This year I really liked the way he stood up for himself in interviews, and showed great character. He has emerged as true leader on this team, but his play was no better than average.
      For years we have been told that he is a great goalie – i have yet to see it.

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      – Robert Anton Wilson

    • GrimJim says:

      Let me quote from PureGuava post seven minutes after yours:

      “He was not good this season, not by a long shot”
      “He crapped the bed…”
      “he crumbles…”

      How is that “not knocking or insulting him”? How is that saying “he’s good yes but not excellent” as you content. It’s not you that Melnick et al are directing their counterarguments at but the commenters posting stuff like I quoted above.

      • PureGuava says:

        Price apologists cherry pick excerpts from peoples post too!

        Is that you Mr. Harper?

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    • christophor says:

      I think they’re all just saying that if you compare him to anyone in similar situations over the last couple of decades, he’s a standout. Another word is “excellent”. The main idea they keep trying to knock home is that you and others have a simpleton grasp of what stats are and on how the goalie-team dynamic works. You’re seriously more confident in claiming that Brian Elliot is a legend than that Price is excellent? If not, it’s because you understand that pointing at a few stats out of context is useless. And, yes, I think Halak is very-good-to-excellent with a lighter workload.

      Edit: to say that Price should have done better given the circumstances is to say that he should have accomplished something virtually all goalies have failed to accomplish in recent history, and that is to be well-ranked in stats while tending for a terrible team. This also means it’s very reasonable to think excellent goalies like Rinne, Thomas, Fleury, (Halak?), etc. would not have done better, maybe worse.

    • ont fan says:

      We have problems all over the place and fans want to talk about the few pieces we already have in place. Our defense is not good enough, we have one good line, and not much in Hamilton. Defending Price, PK or any other young asset is wasting our time. That’s what we understand.

    • habsfan0 says:

      I’m old enough to have seen the great Habs netminders play…Jacques Plante,Lorne Worsley,Ken Dryden,Patrick Roy. Not only were these individuals very good to excellent regular season players, they were MONEY goalies, those that elevated their games in the post season when a crucial save was needed late in the 3rd period of a very close game or in sudden death overtime. NHL history is dotted with goalies who always seemed to make great saves during the course of the regular season, but just couldn’t make THE CLUTCH save come the post season. Curtis Joseph & Roberto Luongo are 2 names that come to mind. And for those who argue that Luongo won the Gold Medal for Team Canada during the Vancouver Olympics, I would suggest that Canada won the Gold in spite of Luongo, not because of him. If you recall, Team USA scored the tying goal late in the 3rd period of the Gold Medal game, forcing overtime. And if it wasn’t for “Golden Goal” Sydney Crosby’s shot,who knows what would have happened.

      History doesn’t regard “great” goalies as those who shone during the regular season,but came up short come playoff time. It is the elite few,those who REFUSED TO LOSE,who would take their team upon their shoulders leading them to hockey’s greatest prize are the ones that are immortalized.

      One of the intangibles that make such a goalie,IMHO, is a certain unceasing arrogance, a feeling that NOTHING will get by a goalie, even during the most pressure packed Stanley Cup overtime game. It is this quality,among others,that I believe Patrick Roy had in spades, which led to 4 Stanley Cups, 3 Conn Smythe Trophies, and a Hall of Fame Career. When Roy won his 2 Conn Smythes with the Habs, not many would argue that those teams were spectacular in any way, shape, or form. But it was Roy’s ARROGANCE, his refusal to buckle under ANY circumstance, that contributed in no small way to his all but unbeatable record of 10 straight overtime wins during the Habs Stanley Cup run of 1993.

      During last year’s playoffs against the eventual Stanley Cup champion Bruins, Carey Price did,undoubtedly,play very well. But when push came to shove,he allowed 3 OT goals in a 4 game span. If he had stopped just one of those goals, the Habs would have won the series,and who knows how far they would have gone. While I may be wrong, I don’t believe Patrick Roy allowed 3 OT playoff goals during his entire career,let alone during a 4 game span of the same series.

      While Price is still young and learning to play his position, it is noteworthy that Roy won his 1st Cup and Conn Smythe as a rookie at the age of 20.

      Does Carey Price have this unending,burning desire to win, at all costs?

      Does he have the ARROGANCE which propelled Patrick Roy to such lofty heights?

      Sadly, I just don’t see it.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        A few points:
        1. If the Habs need a legendary goalie like Roy to win the Cup then that doesn’t bode well for the team.
        2. In defending Price, I don’t believe anyone is proclaiming him as the next Roy, Brodeur, Dryden or Plante. Most are just irked by criticism saying that he isn’t a goalie worth building around as if it were possible to get someone better (I don’t think the Habs are going to pry Quick away from the Kings).
        3. The 3 OT goals let in by Price last season… it’s dangerous to play the what-if game. What if Markov, Wiesniewski or Gorges were healthy and playing. What if Pleks hadn’t hit the crossbar in OT. What if the Bruins D hadn’t managed to kick out the puck during a wild goalmouth scramble. To put it on Price to someone “refuse to let the puck in” doesn’t make sense either.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I think your definition a “Pricebot” is anyone who prefers Price over 90% of the other goaltenders in the league. Or maybe someone who prefers Price over Halak. Because you are of the opinion that there’s nothing that good about him, that he’s just average. Well, many posters here including me don’t think he’s merely average to good. That doesn’t make us Pricebots.

      Now, in my view, a Pricebot would be someone saying that they would take him no question over Quick, Lundqvist or Rinne while downplaying their contributions to their respective teams.

  68. Hali_Hab says:

    Holy much to do about nothing!!

  69. Chrisadiens says:

    Ive never watched the lottery before. How does it work? Is Yolanda Vega there with lottery balls fluttering in a see through container?
    “And the first ball up….is Habs and the next…. is…”

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Stev.R says:

      I believe they randomly assign each team in the lottery a bunch of 5 digit numbers (how many 5 digit numbers depending on what probability they have to win). They then have a bunch of balls with numbers on them and 5 balls pop up and then they look up which team had that 5 digit number. Whoever has it wins

  70. EricInStL says:

    PK is a problem in the dressing room. Why I guess it’s pretty easy to see why, he does not conform to the Canadian way of playing the game. No showboating, paying your dues etc….

    The dressing room is divided. Management must check to see who is for him and who is against. Then make a decision as to keep him or make a major splash and trade him.

    It’s as simple as that. You cannot have a divided room going into the next season. Also will Roy be able to coach him ?

  71. Propwash says:

    Boone nailed it re. Markov and Subban IMO.
    It’s just another thing for the media to blow out of proportion and come to their own conclusion without even looking at all the facts.

  72. dorvalhabsfan says:

    So i guess Todd is a nobody eh Boone? way to throw a colleague under the bus :P

    Go Habs Go

  73. Kooch7800 says:

    I wonder if PG wants a do over for the Markov deal. He didn’t look like the same player when he was back this year but he hasn’t played in two years. His passing is still there but I am curious to see how well he does next season. PK is now more valuable than Markov and he is just finishing his second full season.

    PK does need to play less minutes though. He wasn’t good in the first half of the season and picked it up as the season went on and was awesome the second half

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    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      I do wonder though what kind of a return PK Subban would merit… i mean even Gretzky got traded right? I dont know what i would want… i mean a D man… but then whats the point of trading a dman? maybe Edmontons pick… we can pick #1D in this draft and a top line Forward?
      but im brainstorming for fun. but its serious food for thought… if Subban IS a problem… he should go even if the return is below market value

      • LizardKing12 says:

        “If” Subban is a problem they should find a way to fix it not trade him away. I am sick and tired of trading every talented player that has a bit of attitude and getting virtually nothing in return. PK Subban is a world class talent and has the potential to develop into one of the best defenseman in the NHL. Right now he isn’t at that level yet and teams don’t trade away top end talent for potential, we would not get a good return on PK and would spend the rest of his career crying about it. So what if the kid is a little cocky, he is 22 years old and already playing the most minutes on the team. He is our best dman and it would be insane to trade him away just because he is a bit arrogant.

  74. Habshire says:

    This is similar to the late Chris Farley on Saturday Night Live. He would interview an actor and ask him about other movies. Kind of funny there.

    If you’re going to interview Markov ask about Markov. How hard can it be.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I loved those skits.
      “Ummm…remember that time…. when you were in that scene….ummmm… with that guy?”
      “Yea.”
      “………that was awesome”

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  75. Chuck says:

    Defense is played by 5 skaters, not two. But yeah, some of the defensemen sucked hard, too.

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  76. Habfan10912 says:

    Valid points but on too many nights the team was trapped in their own zone and the turnovers, yikes. Forwards do shoulder some blame but I still think the defense was and is too soft and pourous.

  77. bleublancrouge says:

    Heh those of you who believe that probably would have rather drafted pouliot at #4 correct? 7 years later there should have been a good team in front of him just once.

    I would change my name to bluewhitered but I don’t want to start a controversy

  78. bleublancrouge says:

    Please join the nordique forums Shiloh not even marty brodeur would accomplish something with the personnel infront of him price has had… you know as much about hockey as everyone here? saying that in itself tells us all something never mind you’re skewed view of our goalie.

    I would change my name to bluewhitered but I don’t want to start a controversy

  79. bleublancrouge says:

    Yes well by your thought process if we can even call it that even kopitar is unproven… how many cups has LA won in that time span?

    I would change my name to bluewhitered but I don’t want to start a controversy

  80. habs-hampton says:

    I was talking about this years team. That’s when his stats went average. Also, you want to get rid of a guy because the guy he replaced is playing great in another city???

  81. Chuck says:

    You’ve been suspended from HI/O for 5 days.

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  82. PeterD says:

    Oh, don’t forget that Castro has kept Cuba and it’s people in a supressed state of abject poverty ever since.

  83. The Cat says:

    I think I got fired once for mentioning that about Castro at lunch lol

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  84. The Jackal says:

    Replacing dictator with dictator is not really an upgrade. Hopefully you don’t think Hugo Chavez is a great figure as well.

  85. The Cat says:

    Yeah but isnt that from the embargo?

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  86. Un Canadien errant says:

    The reason for the poverty of the people of Cuba is the economic blockade by the USA, not the Cuban government. If the U.S. ended this idiotic policy and normalized relations the Cuban people would prosper.

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  87. habs-hampton says:

    I’d consider anything, but goalies his age with that much upside are few and far between.

  88. habs-hampton says:

    Always keep in mind that if you have great forwards, good d-men and no goalie, you become the Flyers.

  89. Cal says:

    Kopitar at 5 would have been a smarter pick. It would have negated the trade for Gomez.

  90. Dr.Rex says:

    ONLY IN MONTREAL !!!!!!!!!!!

    The reporters and journalists should be ashamed of themselves. HOw do these people sleep at night let alone look in the mirror.

  91. Cal says:

    Markov’s sense of humour is very dry. We all saw how he reacted to the PK goal on the PP Markov’s 1st game back. Yeah, he “hates” PK all right.
    Making K2 out of the Marianas Trench.

  92. The Jackal says:

    Right Shiloh? They must be really bored knowing the Habs coverage is almost over for this season. If I were them I’d enjoy my 6 month vacation.

  93. Les Canayens says:

    This is Markov’s type of humor on PK: http://youtu.be/WmrMGjGtSz8

    (PK had to wear Russian hockey team gears after it won the Worlds Junior, as a result of a bet with Markov)

    So his “next question” is more like a friendly jab to PK.

  94. The Jackal says:

    That’s not entirely true.

  95. Habfan10912 says:

    He’s a tankers dream. :)

  96. HabFanSince72 says:

    Did he mention the word ‘truculent’?


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  97. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I’ve been hearing all day about how Burkie apologized and I was a little worried that they might turn it around, but then I saw the “apology”, lol. No worries here :)! When I heard he was sticking to the ridiculous lie that 8th place isn’t his goal and that he could have made the playoff, but he didn’t want to I relaxed a little.

    P.S. If the Leafs win this lottery, we’ll spend forever listening to the Darren Dregers of the world tell us how the genius Brian Burke skillfully “acquired” Nail Yakupov.

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  98. habfan01 says:

    No. They will be “more hostile” next year.

  99. HabsinLA says:

    To the Oilers? I think Burke burned that bridge long ago in Anaheim.

  100. Michael says:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Montreal+Canadiens+will+face+monumental+task/6427813/story.html

    “…so far in his career, Price has lived up to the hype only once in five seasons.”

    “Sure, he wins the Molson Cup trophy by default every month, even during a season when he was nowhere near this team’s best player. But when you finish 28th in the league, you’re a bad team. When a goalie starts 65 games for you and wins 26, he’s part of the problem.” (emphasis mine)

    I guess it also takes a pair to talk about “the hard evidence of the written word” without reading said written words. I eagerly anticipate your apology.


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