Liveblog: It’s Devils vs. Kings for the Stanley Cup

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Adam Henrique poked a loose puck past Henryk Lundqvist less than two minutes into overtime to secure a 3-2 New Jersey win.
The Rangers, who finished the regular season atop the Eastern Conference, had rallied from a 2-0 deficit to send the game into OT.
On Wednesday night at the Prudential Centre, the great Martin Brodeur will make the 200th start of his playoff career.

Brodeur has not played in the Cup finals in nine years.

Ilya Kovalchuk scored and assisted on the winner to raise his playoff total to 18 … finally overtaking Claude Giroux for the lead.

879 Comments

  1. Hali_Hab says:

    So i have never been to Shawinigan , but if i ever make it there i am going to find those people with those annoying horns and snap them. MAN could you imagine being the poor bastard that has to sit next to one of those idiots.

  2. Hali_Hab says:

    Would it kill Sportsnet to put a game clock on their online feed? it is 2012 and all. My tv has been hijacked by my wife. Not that i miss the crappy sportsnet commentary … but a game clock would be terrific.

    • TomNickle says:

      There’s your real mistake. Not having control of your television.

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      • Hali_Hab says:

        Tom the worst part is i gave it up willingly because i Completely forgot about the game. I was sucked in to a few hrs of watching Arrested Development and completely forgot about the game.

        • TomNickle says:

          That’s your TV man. Go get it!

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      • Timo says:

        Remote control clause always has to be clearly stated in the marriage contract.

        • TomNickle says:

          Yep. I remember the days when I planted the seed. Whenever there was a hockey, football or baseball game on I had complete control. It just set the standard from the beginning. Living the dream ever since.

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  3. TomNickle says:

    If anyone needs help picking their lottery numbers in the coming weeks I’d recommend speaking with Ilya Kovalchuk.

    The Devils and Kings were the two teams he considered signing with as a free agent. Weird coincidence.

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    • Hali_Hab says:

      I totally forgot L.A. was in on him. weird.

    • Max says:

      Do you have his number Tomas?

      • TomNickle says:

        No Mackes I don’t.

        Question. Do you make it a habit of referring to people by a name that they don’t introduce themselves as or don’t wish to be called?

        It’s a very arrogant and annoying thing to do. Please give it a rest.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Max you’re edging ever closer to cyber-bullying.

        HIO isn’t the place for personal vendettas. I understand you two had a blowup the other day, but now let’s bury the hatchet and move on.

        If you have to have a personal mudslinging match, take it offline, where we won’t get splattered.

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        • TomNickle says:

          I can look the other way when it gets out of control Normand. Having said that this guy is a racist and has no place here in my opinion. First it was Russians and now it’s French Canadians.

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  4. Pucknut says:

    That was a quality blocked shot By Ellis. Looked like Gorges.

  5. Hali_Hab says:

    Gerrard Gallant. Please.

  6. Boomer says:

    We should send Girard an invite to camp this summer

  7. Boomer says:

    POUDRIER!!! VEILLEUX!!! POUDRIER!!!!

  8. Boomer says:

    Come on Strummer cough it up! who is it? you’re killin me
    Crawford?

    • TomNickle says:

      It is Crawford. He already had a good understanding of French to begin with but he’s been taking lessons for a while

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  9. Hali_Hab says:

    Sportsnet has to have the WORST hockey stream ever!!! no commentary or score..?!? weak.

  10. HabFab says:

    Some stats for those so inclined, most seem to be redundant to me but in the interest of fairness;
    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/5/27/2964183/habs-prospect-nhle-for-2011-12-season#storyjump

  11. TomNickle says:

    So Arpon Basu has tweeted that in addition to Geoff Molson being in attendance at the Memorial Cup Final, Bob Hartley is too. Hartley really has no ties to Shawinigan or the London Knights.

    It would appear that his hiring is now inevitable. And here’s what I want to know. Six games into Rick Dudley’s time as Assistant GM in Atlanta Hartley was fired by then GM Don Wadell. Wadell was let go at the end of that season with Dudley taking over as GM. Was Wadell let go because Hartley was the right choice and where did Dudley stand on that?

    Hartley has an impressive winning record as a Head Coach but here are my questions.

    1. What led to his dismissal six games into a season in Atlanta?
    2. Why didn’t he take a professional job in North America instead of going to Switzerland?
    3. If bringing a measure of class back to the organization is a top priority, why hire a man to Coach who couldn’t lose a game without turning it into a circus?

    I expect the Head Coaching hire to be announced publicly tomorrow or Tuesday. The Habs can’t afford to wait until after the Finals to sign their coach.

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    • ZepFan2 says:

      From what I’ve read, Hartley is there to help with Vellieux.

      “With veteran coach Bob Hartley in Shawinigan to help protege Eric Veilleux on the bench, there’s an above-average chance the Cataractes will be firing on all cylinders for the tournament.”

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    • HabFab says:

      Actually the Shawinigan coach is a protege of Hartley and he has been there since his Swiss hockey season ended giving advise.

      • TomNickle says:

        Thanks Frank. Had no idea. I’m hoping that’s all this is.

        Still think they’ll be naming a coach tomorrow or tuesday.

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        • ZepFan2 says:

          Yeah, you’re most welcome! :wink:

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          • HabFab says:

            So Zep, trivia question. What rock band had the best group of guitarists? As I listen to your link and more after…

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Please…Yardbirds, without a doubt.

            Clapton, Beck and Page.

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          • HabFab says:

            Funny but I knew you would know somehow… :D

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Haha

            I better have known considering Pagey’s involved.

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          • ZepFan2 says:

            Yup, and they’re quite good.

            I see Youtube is your friend, eh. :wink:

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          • HabFab says:

            As a band they do an excellent cover…Biblically speaking ;)

          • boing007 says:

            Saw all three of them: the Yardbirds with Jimmy Page at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium with my two younger brothers in 1966. Five groups for two dollars, including Moby Grape and Captain Beefheart. Oh yeah, plus the Strawberry Alarm Clock and the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. Close to the stage. Also saw Clapton with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker at the Whisky a Go Go in Hollywood. And a second time, several months later, at the San Fernando Valley College Auditorium. With Canned Heat: Don’t forget to boogie. In Toronto, at the Rockpile, 1969, saw the Jeff Beck Group with Rod Stewart, Ron Wood and Nicky Hopkins. The Trifecta!

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          • ZepFan2 says:

            @Boing

            Must have been a hell of a concert. All those bands, nice!

            Strawberry alarm clock… :smile: My first 45 was Incense and Peppermints.

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          • boing007 says:

            @ZepFan2

            One of the members of the Strawberry Alarm Clock lived across the street from my girlfriend at the time. Never met him, though.

            Richard R
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          • ZepFan2 says:

            @Boing

            Cool! Disney was right. It is a small World after all!

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          • boing007 says:

            @ZepFan2

            I took that Disney ‘It’s a small world’ tunnel ride in the early 80s. No, it was 1979. One of my aunts worked as a secretary for some of Disney’s greatest cartoonists at Disney Studios, near Griffith Park. She got us free tickets to go to Disneyland that year.

            Richard R
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          • ZepFan2 says:

            @Boing

            Okay, you’re starting to freak me out now. :smile:

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      • ont fan says:

        Hartley was interviewed earlier in the week and said he was there to help advise Shawinigan.

    • Boomer says:

      1) 0-6 record to start the season got him canned
      2) maybe the offers weren’t there for a job in North America, can’t say for sure tho
      3) agreed, he does tend to blow up after a loss, but what worries me the most is his coaching style, Guess who gave him his first assistant coaching job in the AHL… HIs first name starts with J and his last name is Martin…
      :0
      i think we got ourselves another exciting “defense first” coach boys…

    • Hali_Hab says:

      Hartley does have ties to Shaw… this was pointed out to me during the semi final by Commandant.. as Hartley was in attendance at that game. As for Molson being there.. He’s rich!!! and a hockey fan, i am pretty sure if i had his money i would be there to. Not to mention the vested interest he has because of the habs property playing in the game.

      • TomNickle says:

        Molson is there as an honorary president. As for Hartley, HabFab covered that off.

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    • Hali_Hab says:

      If the coaching race is really down to Hartley and Crawford .. you would think that Hartley would have the edge just based on the fact the Bertuzi case goes to trial this year. I cant see any sane GM taking on this potential distraction. In a town like Montreal for that matter. Could you imagine the filed day the media would have.

      As for Hartley i am not really stoked on the idea of him behind the bench. He lost the rooms of the last two NHL teams he coached.

      I Hope there is another option that is not Carbo or Therien out there.

      Thoughts…..

      • TomNickle says:

        There isn’t a coach to have ever gone behind a bench who hasn’t lost their room at one point. For some it happens quicker than others.

        Carbonneau better not end up anywhere near the position. I absolutely loved him as a player but his lack of accountability for his dismissal is sickening.

        Therrien can keep doing whatever he’s doing too. No interest in him at all.

        If it weren’t for Crawford’s trial he would be an ideal hire because of the versatility of his coaching. He’s developed players into stars, managed difficult personalities very well and done a great job with young players and their development.

        I still have a gut feeling that Denis Savard will be the coach. His relationship with Bergevin is great and the turmoil in Chicago leaves him on an island.

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    • commandant says:

      Veilleux is Hartley’s protege.

      Veilleux asked Hartley for help immediately after Hartley was done in Switzerland.

      Hartley’s been heavily involved with Shawinigan of late.

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      • TomNickle says:

        Thanks

        :)

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  12. Strummer says:

    From Steve Simmons’ Toronto Sun column today

    … The Sunday mystery: Name the former NHL coach who is taking French lessons daily hoping to have a real shot at being the next coach of the Montreal Canadiens? …

    Anyone care to speculate?
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  13. Sir.Plekers says:

    Heard Marc Bergevin is going to be shopping Pleks…..FOR DRAFT picks……………….

    SHould have been mcguire. :(

    SIR PLEKERS

  14. HabsFanMTL says:

    i was in my car about an hour ago i heard on Cjad Radio that Hartley was reportedly speculated by RDS or someone there that he was our next habs coach and it would happen soon. Anyone else here something to that effect?

    • Boomer says:

      not taking away anything from Hartley but is there no better option available?

    • EsseV says:

      its a rumor ive heard since last thursday maybe (alot originating from shawinigan). that hartley would be named monday or tuesday and that they were waiting for his commitment with shawinigan to end. I guess we will have our answers by the next 48 hours

  15. frontenac1 says:

    I tip my hat to Commandant! He does his homework! Cheers!

  16. habsfanforever7631 says:

    The horns are really getting to me…

  17. jols101 says:

    Speaking of Shultz does anyone else hope they change this rule in the new CBA so a 22 year old who has never played a game in the NHL can’t become a UFA. It’s silly. I feel terrible for Aneheim, they are getting screwed and did nothing wrong. Even if he signed with the Habs (he won’t) I would still feel bad for Aneheim. Schultz will be a Laff or a Canuck and I hear he is going to be scary good….
    Habs could get screwed like this with Kristo, although Kristo isn’t projected to be as good as Schultz…

    • commandant says:

      No I don’t think they will change this.

      Players are not indentured servants.

      It takes 4 full years of foregoing NHL and AHL paycheques before you can become a free agent.

      IF you really are willing to pass on getting any pay for 4 full years because you want to be a free agent, you should be able to do so.

      Just cause a team drafts you, if you don’t like them, you need some way of not being forced to play for them…. and in this way, 4 years of no pay, you get that.

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      • jols101 says:

        I hear what you are saying commandant, but I believe in “paying your dues” as a young NHLer.
        Blood, sweat, and tears should earn a NHL player UFA status, not deciding to finish University before making the jump.

    • Boomer says:

      I hope they do but agree with Comm that they won’t

  18. Psycho29 says:

    I don’t know how long I can listen to those horns…..

  19. FanCritic says:

    IMO – Carbonneau is way better coach than Crawford or Hartley…

  20. Boomer says:

    Domi’s kid is looking like a solid pick in 2013… Man that draft pool is lookin sick… we picked the wrong year to bomb lol

    • Boomer says:

      I would love for FRK to slip to 33rd then we could snage him with our 2nd round pick… But I think Gomez has a better shot at scoring 30 goals next year

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      That Matheson guy that so many like is at 31 on this guy’s list.

      Malcolm Subban at 78? Wow. And that Vasilevski guy at 63? I’m not surprised at the precise number, but rather how far back they are compared to some earlier lists proposed by other draft “specialists”.

      • Boomer says:

        Yea, I guess the only list that Really matters is Trevor Timmins… I just hope to GOD that Grigorenko is not higher than Galchenyuk , but i have faith in Timmins, no doubt he’s seen what so many others have

      • commandant says:

        Pronman bases his lists on “advanced stats” and as such his lists differ greatly from other people.

        Last year he had Landeskog at 14 and was insisting he wouldn’t be a good scorer in the NHL.

        He’s admitted his mistake on Landeskog… but his over reliance on things like Corsi, and totally discounting intangibles, will lead to more of these mistakes going forward.

        He clearly understands how to watch the game, because he’s able to figure out who will do well in Corsi by watching them, and in leagues where this stat isn’t kept. But his over reliance on this moneyball approach doesn’t work in Hockey IMO.

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  21. Boomer says:

    This summer will get really interesting if Justin Schultz becomes a UFA, any idea why he doesn’t wanna play in Anaheim?

    • jols101 says:

      From what I have read on other blogs there are 2 prevailing reasons:

      1- He wants to play with his best friend Jake Gardnier for the Laffs or

      2- He wants to play at home, he is a BC boy, so the Canucks

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      From what I’ve read there isn’t any strong reason against signing with the Ducks, just that through this loophole he now can choose his team and the city he’ll live in for the next few years. Most players would love to have this option, but the draft precludes that possibility. He’s in an enviable position, every team will want a shot at a big, strong defenceman with skill like him.

      http://thehockeywriters.com/justin-schultz-saga-a-detriment-to-anaheim-ducks/

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      • Boomer says:

        cool ty
        I’m pretty sure the posts you’ve read about him wanting to play with Gardiner were posted by Laffs fans lol… It’s like saying Tavares wants to play in Mtl cause he’s best friends with Subban , or Ovie and Markov…
        Testing the waters and having a say on where he can play at such a young age definately makes sense.
        thanks guys

  22. jedimyrmidon says:

    Two Habs prospects for the honorary face-off, pretty cool.

  23. habs001 says:

    It would be interesting to know where the habs stand in top 100 junior players drafted by nhl clubs and still playing junior hockey…

  24. jols101 says:

    Final game of the Memorial Cup. Should be a dandy…the only sure thing is that a Habs prospect will be the first to hoist the cup at the end of the game.
    I kinda hope it is Tinordi but won’t be upset if it is Bournival. Just hope both of them and Ellis play a great game and leave it all on the ice. No regrets….

  25. habsfanforever7631 says:

    So who’s watching the memorial cup game today?

  26. Psycho29 says:

    Not sure if it was mentioned in this lengthy thread, but the Journal de Quebec says via a very good source that the circus wont be coming to town. Patrick Roy will NOT be the next coach and Bob Hartley is being rumoured.
    CJAD also had this at the top of their newscasts this morning…

    http://www.journaldequebec.com/2012/05/26/roy-seloigne

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Some Canadiens fans are worried that Danny Kristo’s decision to not turn pro this summer but rather return to the University of North Dakota is a bad portend of things to come. They liken it to the Justin Schultz situation with the Anaheim Ducks. Mr. Schultz is setting up to become an unrestricted free agent by spurning Anaheim’s offers, and who can blame a player in his shoes for choosing his own future as opposed to having it dictated to him by the NHL’s rules?

    http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2012/3/14/2870063/anaheim-ducks-justin-schultz-contract-restricted-free-agent-wisconsin-badgers-bob-murray-contract

    In Danny Kristo’s case though, I am not concerned. He has never expressed any reluctance to join the Canadiens, as Justin Shultz has. His reasons for going back to school is that for him playing at the University of North Dakota is a boyhood dream. His options are taking a year off hockey to become a UFA, signing with the Canadiens and playing in Hamilton next season, or playing another season at UND and shoot for a Frozen Four berth and even a national championship. It shouldn’t be seen as a bad omen that he chooses to stick with his team and teammates and takes another shot at a championship.

    His links to the Canadiens are not strong, but neither are they tenuous. He’s good buddies with Louis Leblanc, having roomed with him in the USHL. He also played this season with Mark MacMillan at UND, so it’s likely that the two Canadiens draft picks talked to each other about the Grand Club.

    His goalie at UND, Aaron Dell, had a tryout at the Canadiens development camp last season, and there was a rumour that he had signed a contract, but ultimately he returned to UND for his final season. Mr. Dell will be back at the development camp this summer, and it’s not unlikely that he may be offered a contract that he accepts.

    Taking all this in consideration, with the fact that there will be a flood of rookies joining Hamilton this fall, he made a good decision to follow his heart back to UND, which won’t hurt him since he hasn’t dominated competition at the college level to the point that he doesn’t have anything left to learn there.

    • steve17 says:

      Great post. From what I have read, Kristo wants hs shot at the frozen four and believes he needs to get stronger before moving to the next step.

      Habfan17

  28. punkster says:

    Holy crap…just checked in and there’s NO NEWS???

    That’s it for me and this chickens**t outfit…trade them all while their value is high.

    DO IT MB!!!

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  29. frontenac1 says:

    Wow! Lotsa scenarios being advocated! Great to get the old grey matter stimulated. With Marc, Timmons and Dudley, I am more confident than I have been in years that as Savard said,”Good Judgement is the most important thing”

  30. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    I think Marc Crawford is the best choice for the Coach’s job.

    He has always been a coach who favors an aggressive, offence-oriented system of hockey that is the polar-opposite of Jacques Martin and Bob Hartly’s “systems.”

    His coaching style is one that works well with the players that we have, you don’t pull a trailer with a Ferrari, and you don’t enslave players like Gionta, Cole, and Pacioretty to a mindless, washed up, pre-lockout system (favored by Hartley), you let them produce to the best of their abilities.

    We don’t need Bob Hartley, I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole, he is basically JM, only with even less charisma.

    The fans of Les Canadiens need to see offensive Hockey, this team has barely scored goals for the past three years, it’s time to stop this madness.

    Critics will always point out that Crawford did nothing in his last 5 years in the NHL.

    On the contrary he did the best he could with what little he had, his last Vancouver team in 2005-06 was full of players who were past their prime, or under-performing. his LA teams from 2006-2008 had no goaltending whatsoever, and washed up veterans like Rob Blake playing major roles. Scotty Bowman on his best day would not have guided that team into the playoffs. ditto his Dallas teams, and add in the distracting ownership issues that the Stars had at the time.

    He has the credentials, the Cup win with Colorado in 96′, and the right mentality for this team. He is bi-lingual, which should keep all the PQ rats off his back.

    the only problem is that pesky court case……………….

    • martincurran55 says:

      Yeah, I like Crawford too. However, I think he would be eaten alive with the Montreal media. They cannot let things go, and the Moore incident will be brought up several times. There is really no other coaches currently available that I like. I don’t want Hartley, as you mentioned, he is the same as JM, which is exactly the opposite direction we want to go. Patrick Roy is an interesting choice, but I think that can go very bad as well, if things don’t go as planned. Very interesting to see, but I wouldn’t mind if they hire Crawford. Quenville would be an awesome coach, but is not going anywhere. Quenville was actually Crawfod’s Asst. coach, when the 2 were in St. John’s for the AHL Maple Leafs.

    • martincurran55 says:

      Yeah, I like Crawford too. However, I think he would be eaten alive with the Montreal media. They cannot let things go, and the Moore incident will be brought up several times. There is really no other coaches currently available that I like. I don’t want Hartley, as you mentioned, he is the same as JM, which is exactly the opposite direction we want to go. Patrick Roy is an interesting choice, but I think that can go very bad as well, if things don’t go as planned. Very interesting to see, but I wouldn’t mind if they hire Crawford. Quenville would be an awesome coach, but is not going anywhere. Quenville was actually Crawford’s Asst. coach, when the 2 were in St. John’s for the AHL Maple Leafs.

    • Max says:

      Great post Eastern Ontario dude. I agree completely with everything you mentioned! Post of the night award to you.

  31. pmaraw says:

    playing a game of nhl 12, one of my teammates was a columbus fan. I asked him who he was hoping they drafted and he said ‘i have no idea, hopefully someone good’ lol guess they dont follow the players as closely

  32. Xsteve50 says:

    Here is food for thought…NOW wait before you jump to any conclusions. To Edmonton, Price, in return Edmonton`s first and second picks, then find a way to get Subban he will likely go 25-35.

    • Ali says:

      you want to wait 3-4 years to have an nhl calibre goalie? no thanks.

      • Xsteve50 says:

        we can easily find a shot term fix Budaj being but one option.

        • Ali says:

          i said NHL calibre goalie. Budaj is not a capable STARTING goalie.
          And why trade an established nhl goalie for one who might not make it? Look at the goalies taken in the first round over the past 10 years, most did not become starting goalies. Price is one of the few exceptions.

          • kempie says:

            ^^^^^^^
            This is the correct idea. We’ve paid our dues as far as developing a top tier NHL starter. It hasn’t been easy some times but now we have one. I don’t think anybody has the patience to go through that again, and why would they?

            Edit: Now that I think about it more, I’m really not crazy about reinstating the brother dynamic either. Especially not playing goal. I’ve got the Subban brother that I want on this team.

          • Max says:

            Price is a middle tier NHL goalie.He hasn’t accomplished anything yet at the NHL level to make him a top tier guy.

          • kempie says:

            Plays 70+ games a year behind one of the worst D in hockey and still puts up pretty decent numbers. It’s not easy to accomplish much playing goal for a lottery team.

          • Max says:

            Budaj is a pretty good goalie but he needs more work to prove it. He should be able to comfortably handle 25 games next year. Definitely not an all star but a solid back up.

    • Habsolutely says:

      I’ll pass. Pricey will be a Hab for many years to come. I’m just waiting for him to ink his deal.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Monkeys should never be allowed to make trades. :razz:

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    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I’m all for getting Subban. Wait …

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I will admit that the cost of getting Price was high (5th overall pick). However, most goalies drafted that high rarely amount to anything, and the fact that Price has been competent for so long bodes well for the team (he’s, what, 24?).

      Sure, guys like Miller, Thomas, Quick and Rinne were either undrafted or picked later on (probably due to how goalies develop), but there’s no way you want to trade Price away and gamble on getting another starter goalie with a lower pick.

      It’s hard to find potential franchise goalies, and now that the Habs have a guy that is much closer to fitting the bill than any prospect that’ll take 3-4 years to develop, why consider trading him away even it is for good assets? It’ll be very hard to replace him, and without a starter the team will be in the same place.

    • steve17 says:

      Sure, trade Price to Edmonton for the first overall and their second round pick. Throw in Pulashaj or Weber to make it happen. Then trade Subban to L.A. for Bernier and their 3rd round pick. Then try to sign Shultz, who does not want to sign in Anaheim, and Suter.
      I would rather see the Habs draft Dansk instead of Subban. Trade Kaberle for anything, dump Gomez if they get the amnesty clause or in Hamilton. Trade Gionta to the Devils for a 3rd round pick. Trade Plekanec and Holland to Columbus for the 2nd overall pick. With Beaulieu, Ellis, Gallagher, Kristo and Tinordi, the Habs will be fine on defense. With the first round picks, take Yakupov, Forsberg and Grigorenko.

      Habfan17

    • habstrinifan says:

      I like the idea of getting Subban.

      But I think you would need to jump to conclusions.

      First we jump to some conclusions! Re both Subbans.

      Conclusion 1) that Subban would develop into one of the best 5 goalies in the league.

      Conclusion 2) that Subban,( yes that one) is a cancer in the room.. fights with everybody; talks back to coaches , hotdogs it etc etc.

      Conclusion 3) that Kristo could become another Schultz or in the very least another Klink.
      So we send Danny Kristo AND Subban to Edmonton for their 1st and 2nd pick

      Then we find a way to get Subban.

      Neat trick eh! With a GM move like that revisionist history (which will be needed) will be very easy cause any way u cut it… we got a Subban.

  33. HardHabits says:

    What’s hockey?

  34. habsfan0 says:

    Given all the negative reviews that Brian Burke has been getting,including losing Rick Dudley to the Habs,I think he will try and make a big splash by attempting to land the Number 1 pick in a trade involving Kadri, Schenn, and one of his young goalies.He’ll also try and land Luongo.

    • Habsolutely says:

      Any GM who would trade the chance to draft Yakapov for Schenn and Kadri isn’t qualified to manage a beer league team.

      • Lizardking89 says:

        Exactly the Laffs don’t have the assets to get Edmonton’s pick. But you’re right that it’s time for Burkie to make a splash this is a make it or break it year for ole sourpuss and that joke of a franchise.

      • issie74 says:

        Yes but this is Burkie we are talking about.2 firsts an a second to Boston,for Kessel.His thinking was a 21 year old who would make his team better for many years.Just wait until he sees Dougie Hamilton in a Boston Jersey.

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        • Habsolutely says:

          Schenn and Kadri for Yakapov is a steal, of course Burkie would do it in a heartbeat. It’s the Edmonton GM that would have to be insane to do it. That’s why it’s utterly ridiculous to think Edmonton would draft Murray instead of Yakapov. GM’s draft the best player available and there is a reason for that. Edmonton could draft Nail and then turn around and trade him for a good yound D, a good draft pick and a good prospect. Thats why it’s foolishness to think they would pass up on him just to draft Murray.

  35. TomNickle says:

    Anyone care to elaborate on the opinion that this draft doesn’t have a good deal of excellent forwards.

    Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Faksa, Teravainen, Collberg, Matteau, Girgensons, Frk, Sissons, Digiuseppe, Hertl, Aberg.

    The names aren’t very flashy in large part because there isn’t a great deal of North American born forwards ranked close to the top of the draft. Which I’m sure has something to do with this opinion that the forwards leave a lot to be desired.

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    • ont fan says:

      Actually, I wish we could nab 2 of them. Say 3rd and 8th. Not popular, I know, but a couple of years down the road we could be happy campers.

      • TomNickle says:

        I would part with two of Markov, Plekanec, Gionta to get another top 3 pick if possible. I’m sure that opinion won’t be popular around here but in an ideal World I would go get Yakupov and Galchenyuk.

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        • piper says:

          Edmonton may be interested in Markov but I doubt either of the others. Maybe the Swiss duo….I know…wishfull thinking.

          • TomNickle says:

            If Edmonton is about winning now they need to add veterans.

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          • piper says:

            thats a lot of money (cap space) though Tom

          • TomNickle says:

            True but in the case of Gionta and Markov they’re only under contract for another two seasons.

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          • Bigdawg says:

            Markov + something for EDM’s first could make a lot of sense for both teams.

            I can see something like Markov+2nd for EDM 1st+something..maybe a 4th

        • Habsolutely says:

          Good luck getting Markov, Plekanec, or Gionta to wave their no-trade clause to go to Edmonton. Totall pipe dream.

          • TomNickle says:

            Any defenseman in this league would be nuts not to want to play in Edmonton for the next five to ten years.

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          • piper says:

            yea, that too.

        • DorvalTony says:

          Mary Milbury’s not a GM any more.

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        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          We get #1 overall, Canucks get Pleks, Oilers get Luongo plus something else from Vancouver and something else from us. Done deal! :)

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    • piper says:

      If Yakupov and Galchenyuk are gone which I think they will be I say Habs should trade down and see whats available at middle of the round. Don’t like what I’ve heard about Grigorenko work ethic and he could go to the K. I mean we’ve been through all that crap before.

      • TomNickle says:

        If Grigorenko were going to the KHL he never would have come to North America in the first place. The only way I can see Galchenyuk being off of the board when the Habs pick is if Edmonton trades out of their pick. It’s very likely that the top two picks of the draft will be Murray and Yakupov regardless of who makes the first two selections though.

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        • piper says:

          I hope your right about Murray and Yakupov but I think Galchenyuk may go #1.

          • TomNickle says:

            No way in hell he goes #1. You can put a stamp on that. Either Murray(only if Edmonton can’t get out of the #1 pick) or Yakupov if they do. Not trying to be a know it all here but there’s no way that happens. Murray and Yakupov are the best at their positions by a country mile and the debate from here forward will be over them and then everyone else behind them.

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          • Habsolutely says:

            No way Edmonton doesn’t take Nail with the first pick. No way. I’m willing to put money on it.

    • commandant says:

      Short of moving one of Price, Subban, or Patches, I don’t think we have the assets to get another top 5 pick.

      Quantity doesn’t equal Quality and teams aren’t usually moving top 5 picks for 30 year old good, but not elite players.

      If they wanted to do the deal, I’d do it… but I can’t see it from an Edmonton, Columbus, Leafs, Isles, perspective.

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  36. Mavid says:

    I will be cheering for NJ..for me it is all about the fans which ones are more deserving of our holy grail…at this point its NJ..I have found that the cities that close to boarder Canada seem to be better hockey places..coincidentally I happen to be going to NJ next weekend to watch some drag racing..so I will see if its true..maybe I will change my mind..and I am also a Brodeur fan..and I like hearing the name Gionta..dumb I know but that’s how I feel..

    • Lizardking89 says:

      I’ll be cheering for LA. Aren’t they deserving as well? They’ve been in the league for 46 years and never won the cup. NJ won the cup in ’03 and I’ve never liked their style of play even though they don’t play that way anymore.

  37. habsfanforever7631 says:

    @Commandant
    Just to be sure, I am not aposed to the fact of the habs drafting a forward. I actually want them to draft a forward, I know that we have just 1 or 2 good forward prospects so we are in need of drafting a forward. But I was just saying that I really like how Dumba plays, and if Yakupov and Galchenyuk go 1 and 2, it shouldn’t be ruled out that we could draft a dmen, that’s all.
    If everything goes well, I think the Habs should get Galchenyuk with there third pick.

    • TomNickle says:

      I think that if you want the Habs to draft a defenseman, be prepared for them to trade down if they’re going to. No reason to take a defenseman at that #3 pick.

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      • commandant says:

        Agreed, and even if Galchenyuk and Yakupov go 1-2, I’m not convinced that Dumba is the best defenceman in the draft.

        I’d still go Grigo at 3.

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        • TomNickle says:

          Yep. This is just me. But if I were going to trade down, I would go right down to #10 and let the draft come to me. If the idea were to get a defenseman there will be plenty of good ones available at that pick.

          But I wouldn’t, we’re on the same page here. Take the best forward available with the #3 selection.

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      • piper says:

        Where do you think Griffin Reinhart will be picked. He looks like a sure thing to me.

        • TomNickle says:

          Any of the defensemen other than Murray could go anywhere in the top 15. There’s also Dumba, Trouba, Maatta, Pouliot, Reilly, Ceci and Finn. Every one of those guys is in the same company as Reinhart so I think when it comes to the defensemen beyond Murray that anything’s possible. The order that they go in will depend on the combine and interviews with each team prior to the draft.

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          • DorvalTony says:

            NickleInsideout.com

          • TomNickle says:

            I’m very flattered that you’ve taken such a fascination with me over recent weeks Tony. You’re making me blush.

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        • commandant says:

          I’ve got Reinhart in the 8-14 range. IMO.

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  38. ooder says:

    so apparently there are rumours of Carbo coming back. I am really not down with another mute coach who refuses to talk to his players; especially with Kirk Muller gone.

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    • TomNickle says:

      This is just the media getting a head start on the dog days of summer. First it was Roy, then Therrien, then Crawford, then Vigneault, then Hartley and now Carbonneau. It’s just their way of dealing with not knowing a thing about which direction Bergevin’s headed. Crawford and Roy are the only ones who have good ties to the organization.

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      • ooder says:

        I am honestly expecting a complete surprise for coaching. The last rumor that the media got right was the MAB trade. I hope Bergevin, who is a young guy, knows the ineffectiveness of the old school mentality.

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        • TomNickle says:

          I don’t think it’s fair to say that all of those candidates have an old school mentality. Each one coaches differently. But having said that of the candidates mentioned by the media only Crawford and Roy are realistic. Hartley and Therrien both had bad parting of ways with friends of Bergevin, Carbonneau had a bad one with the Habs and Vigneault just signed a contract extension.

          I think it will be off the radar too.

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          • ooder says:

            oh that’s not what I was saying at all. I was just saying that the old school mentality is not very effective. I didn’t mean that all those guys had an old school mentality .

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          • TomNickle says:

            Gotcha.

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          • habstrinifan says:

            I dont think Roy is in the picture. I think the day Savard was hired as an advisor was the sign that Roy had ‘eliminated himself’ because of his demands and that Molson had taken a right turn re filling the front office.. a right turn and a ‘right’ turn too. I posted then that Roy wont be hired period…. I remember Cal making a positive reply.

            I may be wrong. And Roy’s post playoff interview did show a sort of subdued humility when asked about the question to the point that I think a Roy/Carbonneau/Robinson trio would have been exciting and would have provided enough of a check for Roy’s personality.

            I do believe that yesterday’s ‘rumour’ that Roy is definitely out is true… just dont see Roy (unless as a team as described above) being the type of person Bergevin would confidently hire right now. Although I could see a more ‘seasoned’ Roy in the future. So I dont think Roy is realistic.

            I think Hartley or Crawford with Carbonneau as assistant is realistic.

            Of course all guesswork here. And I would be really impressed if Bergevin hires someone not mentioned prominently by the media. It would raise his esteem even more.

        • habstrinifan says:

          “The last rumor that the media got right was the MAB trade.”

          Dis on the media all you want but, fair is fair ,the media absolutely got the GM search and Bergevin hire right.

          • ooder says:

            in all honesty.. i compltely missed that.. i guess i should have wrote:
            the last rumor that i remeber that the media….
            :p

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    • habsfanforever7631 says:

      If he comes back as a assistant coach, he’ll need to talk to the players even more.

      • ooder says:

        but can he? I mean if it’s not his personality then what is the point of bringing him back. According to Kovalev Kirk Muller pretty much did everything that accounted for the habs success. ie PP and PK

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  39. martincurran55 says:

    I have read some postings by people talking about how happy and proud they are of Kristo going back to school finishing his degree. Now please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t we be in the exact same situation that Anaheim is currently in with Shultz. If we don’t have him signed by next years draft, will he become a UFA? Because if this is the case, then how come I don’t see too much literature on this topic?

    • HabFab says:

      He can’t be signed while in school as per NCAA rules. Since he has decided to finish school and not leave early, not sure he can declare himself a UFA unless he drops out before the school year is over.

      • TomNickle says:

        He does in fact have to officially quit or complete school before signing an entry level deal.

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      • martincurran55 says:

        OK, thanks for the clarification. Well, lets hope he gets straight A’s and signs with the habs the day after graduation.

    • commandant says:

      Kristo could be a UFA right now if he wanted to. He’s 4 years out from his NHL draft and if he de-registered from school he’d be in the same situation as Schultz right now…

      He’s going back because he wants to stay in school, not because he wants to spurn the habs and sign elsewhere, as he already has the option to do this.

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    • habstrinifan says:

      Maybe a) becasue Kristo’s stock has (justifiably) fallen and b) which could be the result of ‘a’ that it is a good thing he has gone back to school.

  40. Chrisadiens says:

    In a NYR blog, in the comments section, there are 2 people arguing and swapping their home addresses so they can fight. At least things never get that crazy around here. Lol. I was gonna provide a link but the language is very vulgar.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  41. commandant says:

    Look at the top forwards and elite first liners around the league… the majority were taken in the top 10 picks of the draft, with only a few exceptions like Getzlaf, Perry, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. The lowest drafted Art Ross Trophy winner in History is Bryan Trottier… and he was taken 22nd overall… you just don’t find these high end forwards in great quantity outside the top 10.

    Now take a look at the top defencemen. Shea Weber, Duncan Keith, Zdeno Chara, Nick Lidstrom have all won recent Norris Trophies and none came from the first round. On our team we have Subban, Markov as our best two and neither are first rounders. Around the league we see way more #1 Dmen who were draft steals than #1 forwards.

    Why? Defencemen develop slower than forwards, sure there are always high ranked defencemen, but you can find defence gems in later rounds… you have a really hard time finding high end forwards in later rounds.

    Teams have recognized this in the draft. The last three years we’ve seen Jared Cowen, Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy, Cam Fowler and Brandon Gormley slide way down the board on draft day as teams took forwards ahead of them. Why? Because finding those forwards (Especially Centres) is near impossible if you don’t get them early.

    We’ve also seen that there really isn’t a lot of young forward for young defencemen trades in the NHL…. not of prospects. It just doesn’t happen very often. But when they do happen the forward moving is of lower quality than the Dman

    Carter “0 points” Ashton for Keith Auley.
    Kyle “Trade me” Turris for David Rundblad

    So no, I don’t think things are as simple as Draft the defenceman, trade him for a forward later.

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    • TomNickle says:

      In one of the very few times that Pierre Gauthier was forthcoming and transparent he alluded to the philosophy that defensemen are a better bet in the second half of the first round because some really good ones fall down to you. Beaulieu at 18 was a pretty good steal. You’re absolutely right about this thought process Ben. Elite forwards generally have the skills in place by the time they’re drafted, most times with the exception of their shot which usually develops later on because of added strength and coaching. Creativity and vision can’t be taught so naturally when draft eligible players display elite level versions of these traits they become more valuable and better bets to realize their potential than forwards who don’t have those characteristics.

      Unless you’re sitting on the opportunity to get a Chris Pronger in the top 3 of the draft you take a forward in my opinion. I would far rather take a chance on Grigorenko, Galchenyuk or even Teravainen than make the safe selection at this pick like Ryan Murray. I’m sure I would feel differently if this team didn’t have Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, Beaulieu and Ellis but in reality Marc Bergevin is staring a future elite level blueline in the face. No need to add Murray and hope he becomes elite when the dynamic of your team can change for the better for the next fifteen years by taking a close to equal gamble on that elite forward.

      We have Price and Subban who will very likely be elite players for over a decade. Add a centreman who has the ability to become elite in this draft with that #3 pick and you truly have a core that teams gush about with a centrepiece at each structural level of your team. Adding one of those two centreman allows you to build around these three players with a clear understanding of what your team will need to supplement these guys.

      It’s the most efficient, promising and structurally sound way of taking this team into the future in my view.

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    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      These were not drafted Top 10 forwards to name just some and more than the “few exceptions”…

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      • TomNickle says:

        And out of the group you mentioned only three of those players are worthy of having a team built around them. They happen to be the first three you mentioned. Taken 11th, 17th and 22nd.

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        • Gumper Knows Best says:

          The poster above did not mention “building a team around” he mentioned “high end 1st line forwards. And the reverse can also be said. There were several dud forwards in the top 10 that GMs believed they could build their teams around

          • TomNickle says:

            The best forwards in the game come from the high end selections of the draft. I don’t think a few names can disprove that point. No offense or anything.

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          • commandant says:

            I mentionned a guy who would be elite and mentionned the Art Ross Trophy… this is more than your average first line forward, its a true elite player.

            And there are very few players in that list who can compete for that…. maybe Giroux is the only one… but there are already 4 recent Norris contenders named who were 2nd/3rd rounders.

            And yes, some forwards have busted… some Dmen have busted too, like Cam Barker, or Tomas Hickey… the point still remains, its easier to get a Norris defenceman in the 2nd/3rd round than it is to find an Art Ross winning forward.

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  42. Hobie Hansen says:

    I know this won’t be an overly popular comment around here but here it goes anyway.

    CBC played their Don Cherry movie again last night and I had a chance to watch it. I think there’s a couple different versions because part two ended last night when he began his broadcasting career. The part two I’d seen before showcased his entire broadcasting career and it was really sad when his wife Rose died of cancer, last night showed none of that?

    Anyway, you have to give Cherry a lot of credit for his time in the AHL and his coaching career. People overlook that all the time and make jokes about him only playing one NHL game.

    The guy was completely out of hockey in his late 30s, working for $2.00 an hour painting houses. It was quite the remarkable story about his battle to become the coach of the Boston Bruins and winning coach of the year. The part about him being appointed coach and GM of the Rochester Americans and him building the team from scratch with no NHL affiliation and winning the Calder Cup was unbelievable.

    Another thing I didn’t realize is that he lost to Montreal in the finals twice before the playoff configuration changed and then of course he lost in the conference finals in the famous 1979 game. The Canadiens basically ruined him. Totally different perspective seeing the Habs crush his and his family’s dreams year after year.

    Oh, and it was interesting to learn that it was Red Fisher that told Harry Sinden that Cherry said he was too cheap to book a charter flight and that was the final nail in the coffin between Cherry and Sinden.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Hobie, you seem like a bright young man. And I know you protect Cherry on this site.

      I was around and old enough to remember Cherry, the coach.

      And if you want to point out how Cherry’s rise from nothing to head coach of the Bruins is a remarkable achievement, you would be entirely correct.

      However, as a $750,000 tax payer’s salary spokesman for hockey and for the NHL, Cherry has had years of opportunity to influence 2 generations of Hockey families.

      His views regarding European and Quebec players are ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated, bigoted garbage.

      No one in Canada should be given a forum, paid by the taxpayers, and then lower themselves to bigoted generalisations that European’s and Quebecois born players are not as “tough”, not as hard working, not as committed as Good Old Canadian born players.

      Canada is a country that defines itself, prides itself, on multiculturalism, on immigration, on tolerance.

      Cherry is free to believe what he wants.

      But when he speaks through a publicly sponsored forum and to a national audience he has a great opportunity to communicate good, and instead he chooses not to.

      Try looking at the lives of Beliveau and his like and spending more time invested in the GREAT people the NHL has produced.

      Don Cherry should not be anyone’s role model.

      It is time that the CBC be held to account for the money they spend, and I’m sure they could find a colorful and at times controversial analyst who does not spew bigotry and intolerance all over the airwaves.

      • HabFab says:

        Ed, off subject but I agree with most of your comments over the past week in regards to the students. Was involved in a similar situation back in the 70’s as a student rep myself in Montreal, our school opted not to join and fortunately the madness was short lived back then. The involvement and even pressure from outside unions was an eye opener to me perhaps establishing my distaste for them ever since.

        • commandant says:

          Hockey Night in Canada is NOT paid by taxpayers even if it is part of the taxpayer funded CBC.

          Hockey Nigh in Canada is one of the few profitable shows at the CBC, and in fact saves taxpayers money by being profitable and the profits it does make can be used to offset losses on other CBC properties.

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          • Bigdawg says:

            Yes the show is profitable and it would still be profitable without the bigot (possibly even more so)

        • ed lopaz says:

          ya, my son just graduated Dawson.

          I was thankful they did not participate.

          anyone who can’t afford the tuition is free to fill out an application for loans, and grants.

          when I went to the University of Montreal MBA program, I took out 10,000 in loans and that was 1989.

          we have it easy in Canada and especially in Quebec, when it comes to University tuition.

          we also have terrific government support programs.

          the entire protest is unjustified and a joke!!

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I agree with you Ed. He does fly off the handle and make spur of the moment comments that border on racism. I can see how he can rub people the wrong way.

        He is a fairly simple man though, as we know :-). And when you take into account that the Canadiens and their French players crushed his dreams and all the fierce international battles he and Canada has had over the year with Russian/European players, his insults and comments make a little more sense. I’m pretty sure those countries and their media have had some very choice words for Canadian players as well over the years.

        He likes simple, tough hockey where all the players stick up for and protect each other. I think Marc Bergevin said something similar in his press conference when he was appointed GM? I heard Ken Hitchcock talking about how he likes and respect Cherry this playoffs as well.

        Anyway, I like him because he says what’s on his mind and never backs down from anybody. He speaks from the heart in a world where so many people are afraid to.

        • Bigdawg says:

          That doesn’t justify bigotry especially on TV even more so on CBC. I don’t care if you are 15 years old or 150 years old. And BTW -French Canada did not crush Cherry, he did not lose to a province he lost to a team of players. Cherry was just not a winner and that’s it.

        • DorvalTony says:

          A bigot is somebody who has a different opinion from you.

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      • 24 Cups says:

        Well said, Ed. All I would add is that Cherry’s segment is entitled, “Coach’s Corner”. Yet he rarely adds much in the way of enlightened analysis of the game we are watching. It’s all about his predetermined rant on his favourite subjects. I also distain Ron MacLean for his dog and pony deliver.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I’d have to disagree with that. Cherry still has a great feel for the game. He’s always pointing out key plays, turning points and important moments in games.

          When he talks hockey he’s always bang on.

          • TomNickle says:

            I disagree Hobie. When he decides to share good information with children he’s spot on. But when he goes on about forwards getting their sticks in the way of shooting defensemen there are things he doesn’t take into account. Like for one that the game is so fast these days that players need to take away time and space and by not getting in the way players usually provide a clear lane to the net which is deadly.

            Kelly Hrudey and Kevin Weeks are two great examples of colleagues of Cherry’s who at this point have a significantly larger scope of knowledge about the game than Cherry himself at this point. They offer more and better analysis consistently.

            Cherry at this point in his career just comes off as pissed off at the World that his vision of the game of hockey is dying if not dead already.

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    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      People that hate Cherry fall into 1 or more of the 4 categories.

      1) They are jealous of his self made success
      2) They are liberal Liberal NDP PQ Bloc partisans and they hate anything conservative Conservative
      3) They can’t hear or listen or comprehend any other opinion contrary to their predetermined ideas
      4) They never played the game

      • ed lopaz says:

        I am none of the above. Nor do I hate Cherry.

        .

        • Gumper Knows Best says:

          You completely disregard his repeated calls for hockey safety and a host of other good stuff he has done like CF troop and other cause awareness. He gives a lot of time to charity. Sorry, but you fall into at least one of the mentioned categories.

          I am sure all the liberal progressive crap being spewed on CBC falls right into your wheelhouse and the rest of the Cherry haters.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            “I am sure all the liberal progressive crap being spewed on CBC falls right into your wheelhouse and the rest of the Cherry haters.”

            There you have it folks. Tolerance personified!!

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        • Bigdawg says:

          People who hate cherry haters are one of two things:

          1) Pro Bigot
          2) Bigot-tolerant

          If you think…”he is too old its not his fault” “he comes from a different time (and space)” “his comments are not biggoted” “French canadians and euros killed his dreams, he is entitled to feel that way”…then you belong to category 1) or 2)

          Replace French Canadian or Euro with Black, Chinese or Indian and tell me if you still feel the same way about Cherry

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Only a Stephen Harper loving conservative would say that.

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      • punkster says:

        What about a conservative Liberal, liberal Conservative, mildly socialist, anti PQ/Bloc, anti Reformer who thinks jealousy is childish, listens to all sides of a discussion, played the game in his youth and is able to make up his own mind without pinning labels on people with differing viewpoints?

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • HabFab says:

          Now make up your mind, this is very important. Be thee a conservative Liberal or a liberal Conservative….

          • punkster says:

            Depends…on whether I’m wearing pleated pants or not that day.

            The whole verbal attack/belligerent response/insulting behaviour method of discussion on media blogs these days just makes me lament the future of this interwebby thingy.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW!

        Wonder where the categerory list is for people who hate people who hate Cherry.

    • EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

      And I thought that I was the only one here who doesn’t hate grapes!

      I have never been a fan of his opinions on the Boston Dirtbags, but I have always admired his support of the Canadian Forces.

  43. habstrinifan says:

    I am going to post anew on the Devils success as raised by Commandant. His observation stuck with me and wont go away. If only because while occupied in the one of the biological processes, I kinda did have the same startling flash. “Heck are those Devils ‘ever’ not good?”.

    I immediately made a link with their long-term success, with optimism, to what what Bergevin seems to be bringing to the HABS.
    Good front office.

    And I know it is said that no hockey people reads this site. But geez I kinda hope by some chance Monsieur Bergevin or Mr Dudley catch the next sentence… maybe even abesented mindedly as they watch paint dry during a biological process.

    That Robinson fellow seems to always be somewhere doing something for NJ…. maybe..just maybe..

    • HabFab says:

      Exactly! And the reason for my hoping to see a young smart guy take over to develop a long term and constantly competitive team. People talk about 5 year plans but in truth there must be a now plan, 1-year, 2-year, 3-year, 4-year and 5- year plans for any organization.
      I’m not so sold on bringing our old greats back to coach…mainly because they are now so old…it has been awhile since we were great. I want the best we can get considering our limitations.
      By the way, Gainey came back with the intent to create that strong front office and look what happened…not going into my theories there but want to point out that the concept is simple but implementation rarely so!!

      • habstrinifan says:

        “concept is simple but implementation rarely so!!

        So true… so very true.

        But the one thing that gives me reason for major optimism is Bergevin’s approach. Last year I kept posting that PG’s greatest drawback (and JM’s) is that they never seem to put their ideas/concept to the acid test of ’round table’ review.

        Bergevin seems to be confident enough to have everyone (and some major hockey minds too like Dudley) knock around ideas before HE makes the final call.

  44. habsfanforever7631 says:

    I really like Dumba. I know the Habs need to draft a forward, but Dumba is a really good player!
    I saw somewhere a scout wrote that Dumba was a P.K. Subban with more smarts.
    The team that gets him will have a great dmen on there hands.
    Lets say Yakupov and Galchenuk get picked first and second, then we should consider drafting Dumba. Noone is a lock in this draft.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      The age old question. Do you draft by position or do you draft the best projected prospect regardless of position?

      • habsfanforever7631 says:

        Yeah also the dmen are better then the forwards in this draft.

        • habsfanforever7631 says:

          If we draft him, we will have subban Dumba tinordi Beaulieu Ellis Yemilen Markov as our dmen going on in the future.
          We could always trade one of them for forwards.

        • commandant says:

          There are more dmen than forwards…. I don’t buy that the dmen are better than the forwards available at pick #3.

          I also do not believe Dumba is a “smarter PK Subban”. Dumba’s biggest issue is that he has no clue how to play positional defense in his own zone.

          Dumba looks more like Dion Phaneuf than PK Subban, IMO.

          I don’t have Dumba in the top 3, he’s closer to 5 or 6 and isn’t the best defenceman in the draft.

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          • HabFab says:

            Your ranking of Samuelsson is much higher then Central Scouting so am curious as to your thought process?

          • commandant says:

            First off, Central Scouting hasn’t been an accurate predictor of draft rankings for years. They are a good guide for identifying the 200 or so players who will be drafted, but actually ranking them is not something that they are particularly accurate on compared to the actual draft order, or compared to the other draft scouting services out there… like McKeens, hockeyprospect, ISS, FutureConsiderations, etc….. who have shown over the last few years to be far more accurate with the actual ranks vs where a player ends up being picked.

            As for Samuelsson he has been damn impressive down the stretch in the WHL season. Its no surprise that shortly after he joined the Oil Kings, the team just took off. He gave them a second line that they desperately needed (and they even performed like the first line in the Playoffs and MemCup). His finish to the season was outstanding… and for that reason we put him in the late first round. He proved that his time in Sweden was an aberration IMO, caused by the fact he was playing in a men’s league and with very little ice time.

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          • habsfanforever7631 says:

            http://www.mynhldraft.com/2012/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Mathew-Dumba

            This isn’t only my opinion, but alot of scouts thinks hily of him also. You have your opinion, but why are scouts everywhere having so much hi expectations for him?
            And I’d take a young Dion Phaneuf on my team any day!

          • commandant says:

            Forgive me if I don’t take a site seriously that posts this at the bottom of their review.

            “Would you like to write a player profile for any prospect that may be entering the 2012 NHL Draft? Email profiles of any player (even players not on our list) to our Webmaster. Credit will be given to the author of the profile.”

            But besides that, I do have Dumba as a good player…. as the 5th best player in this draft, but he’s not as good as Galchenyuk, Yakupov, Murray, and he’s not worthy of the third overall pick IMO.

            Also like I say below, just because there are more D than forwards, doesn’t mean the best player available at 3 should be a dman.

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          • HabFab says:

            @commandant…agree that Central Scouting isn’t that accurate but then neither is anyone else as it becomes team based needs and assessments. My main reference prior to the draft is watching their changing rankings during the year and then after the draft I rank how Timmins did by how many picks we have top 100 North America and top 40 European….weak I realize :) but for that first year… my comfort zone.

          • commandant says:

            The most accurate list will be Bob McKenzies that will be released draft week.

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      • Hali_Hab says:

        It’s funny if we were to draft a D man like Muarry or Dumba it would put the GM in a nice position to make a really strong trade. With that wealth of young D prospects it would open up our ability to offer something desirable if the opportunity to trade for a really top level talent presented it self.

        • habsfanforever7631 says:

          The forwards arent that good in this draft, so why not stock on d, and then later on trade for a better forward to a team that needs dmen.

          • commandant says:

            Why do you keep repeating that the forwards aren’t good in this draft? Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, and Forsberg are excellent.

            Just because there isn’t the normal depth of forwards that you see, doesn’t mean the guys at 3 aren’t good.

            There is a difference when commentators talk about the entire first round, and when they talk about the top of the draft.

            Overall Dmen where better than forwards in 2008 too, but that didn’t stop the draft from producing a guy like Steven Stamkos, or later in the first round Jordan Eberle.

            All drafts are gonna have some good forwards in them… the key is to find them… and at 3 you have an excellent chance to take a great forward.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      Dealing for Kaberle was just another crisis to crisis move by Hab management to shore up the PP.

      I don’t really see him being moved this summer or fall. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays here for the entire season (or more). That will allow the younger players to develop in Hamilton and give the Habs’ PP some added depth. Kaberle’s terrible play in his own end will just be a liability that the team will have to live with.

      At some point in time he might be moved for a mid level pick which will basically make-up for the pick we would have gotten for Spacek.

      I don’t really like any of this but it is what it is. It will proably cost either Weber or Diaz a chance to see what they can do as a regular Dman.

      • HabFab says:

        Certainly this is a test for Bergevin, defense is in dire need of size for the upcoming season. And I can’t see the need for both Weber and Diaz or St Denis for that matter, IMO we can only afford one of that size defense man.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I agree. Two big steady, gritty, inexpensive fairly young D-MEN (like Brookbank).. and keep one of the three you mentioned as 7th or 8th defenseman… mostly on the bench.

          Then spend huge bucks and managerial moves/thought on major ugrade up front. I think the ancialliary need for more grit up front can be filled by people presently in the organization.

        • Gumper Knows Best says:

          What about Ottawa UFA D Matt Carkner? Tough 5-6 man. Inexpensive. Make $700K last year. Sign hime everbody grows 3 inches and 20 pounds.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I’d like Carkner too but I’m not sure he’s capable of playing a regular stretch of games as our 6th defenseman. I would rather him than nothing so he could dress 50% of the games but Bryan Allen is the guy they need in my books.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        Let’s see if Kaberle shows up to camp in shape. He had those fat rosy red cheeks all last year and that’s not the sign of a guy in top shape. He owes the Habs. I hope he works hard and actually needs a shower after the game.

        Crisis move? Of course it was with a last place PP. Then if the Habs did nothing, the whiners would have whined more

        • habstrinifan says:

          Maybe that was the poblem the last few years of his career. He did spend the final month or so of the season with his wife and new child (I dont think he returned into the lineup after taking leave for the birth???).

          Maybe things have changed there and he will have a free mind. I sure hope so because unless he is dealt, we have him for a while at a high price for what he has brought.

          And yes I am a critic of the move. And I dont think a whiner. I think PG acted, as he seemed to always do, without doing the hard work ‘scouting’ around the league for an alternative.

          Based on PG’S comments after the move, I think it was also precipitated by JM.

          • Gumper Knows Best says:

            Kaberle played March 12th-left-came back for the last 2 games.
            Wasn’t calling you a whiner and that wasn’t the intent. As you know there are some that are never happy. Make a move and it always gets criticized-don’t make a move and it always gets criticised.

            As for taking on someone for the PP, it worked well the year before with Wisniewski-not so good with Kaberle and the contract.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I started reading it but stopped when I caught the gist that it may be a justification for Kaberle based on some PPG stat. I am still unable to think of the Kaberle move by PG and not get riled… especially because it was unnecessary and expensive and in the long run did not address the real problem… that the missing ingredient in the power play was the coaching input of Kirk.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Smart move on his part to go back and finish his degree.

      RW could be really crowded in Hamilton next year, especially if there is a lockout.

  45. Gumper Knows Best says:

    I thought Hartley was going to be named Coach, but now I have some second thoughts after connecting the dots.
    Seems like Bergevin is surrounding himself with people he knows and trusts and will unlikely make a wild card move. He also wants NHL head coaching experience behind the bench

    So what do the dots say? Will Bergevin hire one of the fan favorites, or will he hire probably the guy he really wants and that looks like Marc Crawford.

    After reading Bergevin’s remarks, he has high esteem for Quenneville who just happened to be Crawford’s assistant for a year in Quebec and when Crawford won the Cup in Colorado.

    Then last year when Quenneville was getting attacked in the media
    ” I’m sure the criticism will bother him in some shape or form,” former NHL coach and friend Marc Crawford, whom Quenneville considers a mentor, told the Sun-Times.” MENTOR!

    The last question is the French speaking issue.
    When Pierre Lacroix hired Crawford back in 1994, this is what he had to say.
    ” As Lacroix explains, Crawford worked to learn French over the summer, and was proficient enough by training camp that he was able to give his opening speech in French.” Any Rosetta stone courses being delivered to Crawford’s home?

    Then just 4 days ago with Dallas Stephane Robidas had this to say.
    ” C’est un gars qui est très exigeant et il va te le laisser savoir si ça ne fait pas son affaire. Il a un caractère bouillant. Quand il est à l’aréna, c’est le travail, mais à l’extérieur de la glace, c’est une bonne personne», a affirmé Robidas qui ajoute que Crawford aimait bien discuter un peu en français avec les joueurs québécois de Dallas. Et je sais que Crawford et Quenneville sont de grands amis.»

    Even though Bergevin only played 9 games for Vancouver in the 2003/04 season, Crawford was his coach…Bergevin also played 5 years in St. Louis 1997-2001, when Quenneville was head coach.

    A guess is Crawford will be head coach with some younger home-growns to keep the RDS crowd happy and there is no short supply for that. With that in mind, the shelf life will be about 3 years and they will have a succession plan in place. The Hamilton job will also be interesting.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I would be ok with Crawford and I think the Freanch press will be too. My personal preference is Hartley. I have a feeling that Carbonneau is in the picture, particularly as an asst in waiting/learning. Either Crawford or Hartley has the experience to teach Carbonneau.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        Who knows what Hartley’s 1st choice would be-that is if he had choices? He won a Calder Cup in Hershey when now Calgary GM Jay Feaster was President and Hartley is also Godfather to Featser’s son… Just that would prove a closeness and trust beyond the profession.

    • Hali_Hab says:

      This was Tweeted last night by Eric Engels

      Been told Patrick Roy is out of running for #habs coaching job. Candidates include Guy Carbonneau, and Tampa asst Martin Raymond.

      Bob Hartley is a candidate as well

      My personal pick would be Gerrard Gallant but out of the options above i would have to go with Carbs hands down. He won the east and was given a the bone by Gainey last time around.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I actually might have trouble continuing to cheer for my lifelong team if it were led by Carbo. We’ve been through a lot and deserve so much better than this retread with almost no coaching experience.

        • Hali_Hab says:

          Really? I though Carbo did well considering the team he had. In fact i would say that he got the most and then some out of the roster of players he had.. sprinkle in the “code’ of BGL and the antics of premadona Kovalev i would consider his head coaching experience a success.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            Carbo has little experience, can’t be bothered to coach anywhere, and when he has tried briefly with the younger players, he hasn’t succeeded.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        I always thought Carbo’s firing was more an order from Gillet where a lot of pressure was put on from Pierre Boivin during Centennial year.

        From the Center ice interview when Boivin was sitting in a chair that looked like a Throne

        “Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau know what it takes to win. They know we are NOT in a rebuilding mode. They know their responsibilities.”

        “It is up to them to assure the maximum is brought out of all players and that the team enjoys a season not only nearing the fans expectations, but meeting those of the organization also.

        Looks like Boivin caught the disease known as Corey Panic. Gainey, the class guy that he is, wouldn’t give up the owner. GMs take the heat for owners.

        Poor Carbo. He had to deal with the lazy floater Kovalev and a George Laraque that didn’t want to do his job anymore and all the party hardy boys on that team.

  46. joshbenn says:

    If Yakupov is picked first then Galchenyuk at second, who would you pick at third if you were MB? Personally I think it would be a toss-up between Forsberg, Grigorenko and if we pick a defensmen Dumba.

  47. HabFab says:

    Top twenty draft rankings from the Q, for those that care about such things only about half are Quebecois. The reason for the lack of Quebec developed players playing for the Habs or anyone else is the poor amateur organization. The top Quebec born player here is projected for the 3rd round at best;

    http://www.allhabs.net/canadiens-prospects/20-meilleurs-espoirs-de-la-lhjmq/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • Cal says:

      Ever think the reason could be as simple as how expensive it is to get a kid through the minor league systems? The costs are unbelievably high.
      The Q is doing well as a league and is winning Memorial Cups at a fair rate, so where is this “poor amateur organization” you’re talking about?

      • HabFab says:

        Costs the same elsewhere…I’m a broken record here. After the influx of Europeans in the 70’s and our exposure to Russian players. Canadian and American hockey people realized that we were lacking in individual skills when compared to the Europeans so both countries developed a plan to counter this. In Canada, it is the Hockey Canada Program of Excellence started in 1982. Focused on training programs for the kids, coaches, officials and administrators from all levels and then hockey schools for those showing advanced skills as they got older.
        Quebec opted out for political reasons and as the rest of Canada and America got better, they continued on their past. Today Atlantic Canada with 1/4 of the population of Quebec produces more NHL prospects.
        So if a kid entering organized hockey at 5-6 and plays until 15-16 then three full generations of kids have gone thru this program (as the system is being constantly tested and improved) while Quebec did what?

        • Max_a_million says:

          Actually it’s really cheap in Canada and Northern US compared to many other places. Playing hockey in mid to Southern US is mind bogglingly expensive.

          So yes it’s really expensive, but that’s true everywhere and in many places it’s 10-20 times more expensive.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I agree with you and especially as regards to the Program of excellence impact. Anyone who has even the slightest rooting interest for the Q is denying reality by not accepting the fcat that ‘Quebec borned and trained prospects’ have not been faring well in recent drafts.

          I am hoping that forward thinking management of the Q step up to the plate and acknowledge the need for changes in methods etc.

          I think Quebec has finally opted into the program. Also the age and rules surrounding the introduction of contact may have played a factor. It is a complicated difference with the OHL for example, but there is a difference.

          Hopefully the Q will take all the steps necessary for the benefit of the kids born and raised in the province’s hockey systems.

          The cost argument is a red herring. It applies all over the country.

      • ont fan says:

        It’s also a big commitment.. Unless you are totally in as a family it’s tough.There are so many alternatives for the kids today.

  48. steve17 says:

    Even if bergevin says he likes Pulashaj’s offensive skill set, I believe it is ime to trade him. He has had opportunity with injuries and Montreal has a lot of right wingers in the system. Gallagher, Kristo, Quailer, and Avtsin. Right now Cole is on the first line, unless they trade him, Gionta is on the 2nd. If Plekanec is not traded, then you have DD, Pleks and Eller at centre which means unless he is returned to Hamilton LeBlanc is the 3rd line right wing. The 4th line should be Staubitz, White and Blunden. In his limited time, Blunden had almost 100 hits, 2nd among forwards. He has size and never quits! Moen should be on the 3rd line, unless Geoffrion proves he can fill the 3rd line left wing spot. The habs need a big left wing for their 2nd line behind patches and a mean defenceman who is not a liability. So, if Pulashaj is to get a chance, then a couple of things need to happen, LeBlanc to Hamilton, a centre traded, Gionta traded, and players like Gallagher would have to fall on their faces in training camp. he almost stuck last season! Pulashaj will need to prove he really wants it and will do what is necessary. One of his weaknesses is just that, he is weak on the puck and easy to knock of it!

    Habfan17

    • HabFab says:

      Believe it was Dudley, but in truth he was asked to evaluate our prospects in the minors and Pulashaj definitely was one of the top there.

    • Hali_Hab says:

      I think trading him would be crazy. At this point i don’t call playing max 8 minutes a game (and that is being generous) with Darche and or Noki “opportunity” in fact i would call it the exact opposite. An opportunity would be putting the player in the best situation to succeed. i.e. by playing him with offensive line mates more on par with his ability’s. This organization is famous for doing this year after year and it dives me mad. If you want to call up a player to play on the fourth line then call up Schultz or some one along those lines you don’t call up a projected offensive player and stick him on the fourth line. This does nothing for development it shatters a players confidence if anything. The crazier side of this is that then the organization wonders why the kid didnt “pan out” ! its called development and the habs are horrible at it. Max Pac spoke out against this very issue a few years ago, remember?

      Then if you were to follow the next step in the process Montreal would Trade the prospect and we would go on to see him blossom in a differnt organization. Tell me you haven’t seen that scenario multiple times before.

      As for your point about all the other prospects such as Gallager, Kristo etc. Why would you trade a player like Pualshaj who is miles ahead in his development and way more nhl ready then the other players you mentioned? This is another flaw in the development process, Not only are you going to trade away a prospect who has been handled poorly now you are going to replace him with someone younger and expect more out of them! That my friend is a flawed process. Because 9 times out of 10 i can tell you how that story plays out.

      The fact that this process is continued over and over again makes me question the mental capacity/ability of the brass in the front office and behind the bench. It is essentially like shotting your self in the foot over and over and over again. The comedy/tragedy in the whole thing is that they never learn , the continue to repeat the process.

      Players that are ready for the NHL should come in to a situation and be insulated by the current roster and allowed to find their groove at their own pace. It doesn’t work to have them come in when they are not ready and heap a truck load of pressure on them. And you mention that Gallagher almost stuck last year out of training camp. You are right he had a great camp with multiple scoring chances (not goals). The last time the habs kept a young prospect around before his time based on a good training camp was Guillaume latendresse and we all know how well that worked out for him. Gallagher belongs in Hamilton for a year or two, no need to rush him. That goes for all our prospects even the ones playing in the Memorial cup this weekend.

      • JF says:

        Good post. I’m hoping that under Bergevin we’ll stop seeing this scenario over and over again. The signs so far suggest that he is intent on renewing and rebuilding the organization at all levels. One of the areas that needs it most is player development. Your post makes glaringly evident the flaws in the Habs’ system – a system in which plain common sense seems to be sorely lacking. Players should be developed with a particular role in mind and brought up to play that role, not slotted into the lineup anywhere as though they were interchangeable.

        • Hali_Hab says:

          Thanks JF .
          I agree Bergevin seems to be re working the whole organization in regard to player development. Which is enormous and cant be underestimated. It’s funny in the past it always seemed that in Montreal a player had to come in and score 30 goals or be considered a ‘bust’ as the habs were always playing for current year , hoping to some how win a cup when they were in fact miles away from being a contender. They would never let players develop under this scenario because they were always playing as if they were going to win the cup when in fact they were no where near it. When instead they should have been grooming players in those years to build a solid contender for the future. It is a shame because a lot of tallent was wasted during those years. I attest this to something i call “living on glory’s of the past” There was some false sense of entitlement there. Inability to change and stay fresh or adapt handicapped the organization for a while. On the positive i get the feeling that with the recent hire’s that Molson and Bergevin have made the habs have finally come out of living in the past.

          • JF says:

            I think it’s not so much that the Habs were hoping every year to somehow win the Cup; it’s more that the goal every year was just to make the playoffs, with the Cup a distant possibility. So player development, trades, free-agent signings were all geared towards this immediate goal, with no long-range plan in place to build a contender. From everything Geoff Molson has said since firing Gainey and Gauthier, and from everything Marc Bergevin has done since taking over as GM, I am confident we’ll see this short-term approach abandoned. Building a contender takes strength at every level of the organization, and I think Bergevin will do a lot of work in this direction over the summer and into next season.

        • Hali_Hab says:

          Great point about just trying to make the playoffs. You hit the nail on the head.

    • 24 Cups says:

      steve17 – Pulashaj is on the clock this year for sure. He’ll be in tough against Leblanc for the 3rd line RW spot and doesn’t have the skill set to be a 4th liner.

      I can’t unserstand why some Hab fans want to trade Gionta. He has met expectations since he has arrived but then seemed to fall out of favour due to being injured. Hardly fair in my eyes. Not to mention the team lacks veteran leadership so why would we trade away one of the few leaders we have?

      • HabFab says:

        Steve, I’m glad Hab fans can’t trade or draft or sign anyone!!!

      • habstrinifan says:

        I agree with the main theme of ‘lets wait and allow Bergevin et al time to do their stuff and add and subtract as they see fit… wih everybody in our organization. There are maybe 3 veterans who can be considered consensuschoices for trading or dispatching

        However, just like you consider Palushaj to be on the clock, I think a player like Gionta also should be on the clock. Forgetting his illness, I dont think his captaincy has been stellar on or off the ice and Bergevin may decide a change of captain may be necessary.

        JF also makes agood point re development. “Players should be developed with a particular role in mind and brought up to play that role, not slotted into the lineup anywhere as though they were interchangeable.” And so a player like Palushaj may be a prime candidate to trade in order to cure the “too much of the same’ syndrome, and not specifically because of lack of NHL skills.

  49. H.Upmann says:

    Just had a random thought: PG and JM picked our captain… Forgot about that. Think it’s time for the players to pick their own C again

  50. athanor says:

    Just wondering.
    Is this “Memeorial Cup” that Arpon Basu is at some kind of internet thing?

  51. joshbenn says:

    At #32 (if the devils give up their pick) do anyone think it would be worthwhile drafting Oscar Dansk? I know commandant has him at 38 with the likes of Colton Sissons, Tanner Pearson and Martin Frk in the early thirties as well but I think it might be worthwhile drafting a highly rated goalie who will have a while to develop with Price and Budaj as our current goaltender tandem. also is their any chance at drafting him at 50 with the Predaors pick?

    • Boomer says:

      IMO Frk, Sissons and pearsons are gonna go in the first, though if they slip to the 2nd round it would be great to have one of them :)
      For our other 2nd round pick i wouldn’t mind seeing daniil zharkov, he’s 6’3 over 200 lbs and has decent hands and feet. and he’s a left winger which is where we’re weakest down the pipes. It’ll definately be interesting to see :)

    • steve17 says:

      I think they should take Dansk! They have no one in the syetem right now and if something should happen to Price, what would they do? I think if he is available, the Habs should take Kerdiles with the other 2nd round pick. Scissons is a right wing and Montreal has many quality right wingers in the system, Gallagher, Kristo, Avtsin, Quailer, not to mention that is where LeBlanc will probably end up. Person may be a good fall back, but when you can get a power forward that intimidate with speed and size, you take him. If the Habs had a player like that for the 2nd line behind Patches, it would be great!

      Habfan17

  52. frontenac1 says:

    Bravo jols, We are sing”in in the same choir! Let’s hope management is too!

    • jols101 says:

      Haha, i enjoy your posts too. We are defenitley on the same page. It seems a lot of Hab fans are, we just need the new Mngt. team on board…

  53. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Who in God’s name is Martin Raymond, and what would he possibly bring to the table??

    • Hali_Hab says:

      He was the assistant coach in Hamilton for the 09-10 year, previous to that he was the head coach of the Red men for 14 years, leading them to a Queens cup. Not to mention a OUA East title and taking the team to back to back appearance’s in the CIS National Championship. He would also have some familiarity with the youth currently on the roster and some of it coming up from the farm. That’s what he brings.

      I also read that the hab’s had two interviews take place in flordia. It was said that they also interviewed the other Tampa assistant coach Dan Lacroix.

  54. otter649 says:

    What comes next ? Habs sign their new head coach or sign Scott Mellenanby…….

  55. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Ok guys, sorry about the Thornton suggestion, I had no idea that he re-singed, honestly!

    (but I do think we need more of a kick-arse factor in the future)

  56. Boomer says:

    none of my posts are working lol
    I’ve been banned!?!?!?!?

  57. jols101 says:

    I am happy to read that fellow Hab fans see the need for the Team to get bigger and tougher. I hope the era of “turn the other cheek”, “we will get them on the power play” crapolla is out the door with PG, Gainey and JM. It was a horrifying time to be a Hab fan in my opinion and I hope we are never the door mat of the NHL again…
    At the trade deadline last year we finally made a break through with the addition of Staubitz and then there was the return of White, unfortunaltely Moen was injured the last few months. I think those 3, Moen, White, Staubitz is the no brainer 4th line next year. I hope Management agrees. When i hear members on here still mention waste of space guys like Darche, Nokilinen or Pulushai, I cringe because if posters on here still think like that maybe Management will too.
    I think with those three guys, the Habs have good toughness up front and now need to work on the back end. I would love to see Erskin and a big nasty UFA dman too protect Price and our more talented players. If Management does that, I believe we can go up against anyone physically, which is something we have been sorely lacking the last 3 seasons. Of course, Managemet still has to find the right UFA to play with Pleks and Gionta so we have good secondary scoring. We have a great core all we need to do is get a lot tougher and a little more skilled and above all, stay healthy…Go to it Bergevin et al…

    • commandant says:

      I’ll agree on Darche and Nokelainen, but I’d still like to see Palushaj get another opportunity.

      Here is a player who is an offensive contributor in the AHL, and everywhere he’s played and our coaches never gave him a chance to play with any offensive players.

      Putting Palushaj on a line with Staubitz, Nokelainen, Engqvist and Blunden is a total waste.

      I still think there is a chance this kid could be a good third liner, but no one will ever see it if he never gets any opportunity to play with another talented player.

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      • jols101 says:

        Agreed Commandant, I added Palushaj
        (thanks for the spelling)only because they kept trying to force him on the 4th line were he does not belong.
        He is a player that needs to play with other players that have skill. If there is no room for him on the top 3 lines he should play in Hamilton and get top minutes. Let him develop in Hamilton and if there is an injury to our top 9 and he is playing good hockey call him up to fill that spot but not the spot of a 4th liner…

      • Hali_Hab says:

        I heard in interview with Dudley two days ago in which he was asked about players currently in the habs system that he felt could contribute currently and in the future. Palushaj was one of they players he talked about.

        Reading between the lines you got the sense that Dudley was of the mind that Palushaj was not utalized properly or given the right circumstances to succeed. He also went on to praise his offensive skill set.

  58. ProHabs says:

    Even though it was a miserable year for the Habs, this was my favorite play of the year.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOnXZpPwkoU

  59. Un Canadien errant says:

    What can you guys tell us about Yanni Gourde? I know he’s small (5’8″, 160), but he’s described like this by The Hockey Writers:

    “A player with a great offensive talent, a good peripheral vision, soft hands and an incredible skating, Gourde can also play with an extra edge and is not afraid to mix it up even tough he is not very big as shown by his 70 penalty minutes this season.”

    http://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-undrafted-gem-yanni-gourde/

    Has anyone seen him play? He sounds like David Desharnais, except without the knock that his skating needs work.

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    • ProHabs says:

      Have never seen him play and he should not be a guy the Habs should even be considering. Toooooooooo small.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Relatively unhelpful. His lack of size is a given. I’m asking for comments from people who have seen him play, and whether his skill set outweighs the disadvantage of his lack of stature.

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        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • commandant says:

          He’s already signed with Worchester Sharks (San Jose Sharks affiliate).

          Now of course, like any player on an AHL only contract (as opposed to a two way) any NHL team can “steal” him by offering an NHL 2-way deal. While not a rule, most players (and agents) will give the NHL team who is running the AHL team they are with the opportunity to match the offer if another team tries to swoop in and steal them. So we might not have a shot at Gourde.

          That said, Gourde is clearly offensively skilled. But there are plenty of guys like him, and for every David Desharnais, there are ten Phillipe Lefebvre, Danny Masse, Phil DeSimone, and Thomas Beauregard types who don’t pan out.

          He’s a long term project… and one that may not pan out.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Thanks commandant. I understand that he’s a long-term project, but what caught my eye in this writeup was that his only ‘flaw’ seemed to be his small size. Almost seems too good to be true.

            I think we obsess over size, and it’s only going to get worse in Gary’s new NHL, but I also think that some players will be successful because they are small. Their quickness and elusiveness will be impossible to match for the bigger players. Their small size will have forced them to learn to play the game a different way, like David Desharnais does. He surprises other players because he makes original plays, because he’s so small that their usual moves to steal the puck or knock him off it don’t work. I think David Desharnais wouldn’t be as successful if he had turned out to be 5’11”. He would have learned to play like everyone else, and wouldn’t have developed the special skills he has now.

            As far as getting Mr. Gourde, I’m intrigued but not advocating it really. I don’t know enough about him, never saw him play, so I’m not a fan who swears by him. Also, I guess we’re pretty tight against the 50 contract ceiling, so there’s only room for so many longshots I guess.

            I do understand that he’s essentially a free agent right now, in that any NHL team can sign him, no team owns his rights. But if he produces next season, he won’t be seen as such a long shot after all, and he may be in a good situation to pick his team.

            ———————————
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  60. FanCritic says:

    Habs management don’t read what we put on here someone pointed that out but I guess it’s ok to comment.

  61. Old Bald Bird says:

    Engels on Twitter:

    Been told Patrick Roy is out of running for #habs coaching job. Candidates include Guy Carbonneau, and Tampa asst Martin Raymond.

    Bob Hartley is a candidate as well.

  62. frontenac1 says:

    Shawn Thonton as a Hab? He is the type of guy you absolutely Hate on the other team but would love to have on your team. However as a Hab? Man,I am experiencing a high level of cognitive dissonance and uncontrollable facial twitches. The Horror!

  63. RJ says:

    Devils vs. Kings final. Forget it…two years in a row I will not be watching the finals.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  64. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    (Okay, let’s be honest this is not the crazeist idea that I have posted)

    It has become obvious to me that Shawn Thornton is a UFA this year, if he “follows the money” as most players do, then I think signing him would be a huge improvment on our fourth line, he would be cheap too, 950K at the most.

    Add in Bryan Allen, and John Erskine and/or Barret Jackman, and no one would be pushing us around.

    The only question is: would he be willing to jump to the Habs, even if they offer him more money then the Bruins?

  65. frontenac1 says:

    Try to pull a Sather and trade Kaberle and his crazy contract,or at least get him a bigger stick .Trade the Swiss guys and get a big experienced D with a bit of a nasty streak.Someone to protect Price and the kids as they are called up and worked into the rotation.Bryan Allen would be excellent but as a UFA he will be in high demand and might be too expensive. Maybe John Erskine.He has one more year with the Caps at $1.5 mill.He is solid ,a good mentor and has not had a minus year in about 5 years.

    • db says:

      I agree on the Swiss kids, really like them but they just don’t fit and deserve a shot elsewhere (I think we’ll do the classy thing and not get fleeced on those). Allen may be expensive but I think he’s worth it for 2 years (especially if Kabs can be moved). Erskine would be great value to us..

  66. Bruins and Caps made a trade today…Chris Bourque to Bruins for Zach Hamill….I thought you could not make a trade during the playoffs?…..many TSN fans thought so as well…is this another Bruins-only rule???

    • ProHabs says:

      I think you are allowed to trade during the playoffs but teams don’t as a respect to keep the attention on the playoffs and the teams advancing in the playoffs. The Bruins however have no respect for anyone so they decided to make a trade.

      • commandant says:

        There is no games until Wednesday so I figure they are okay with that.

        Also there is no RULE against trades right now, the NHL just asks and suggests that you don’t steal attention from the playoffs… since the coverage of the playoffs is dying down for a few days, I think they are fine with it.

        Interestingly people think the trade deadline means no trades can happen after it. This isn’t true. You can trade after the deadline… you just can’t use any players acquired until the next season.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      The Bruins have lots of egg on their face with this deal. Hamill has been a complete bust, especially seeing he went 8th overall. Four of the next six picks were solid choices.

  67. frontenac1 says:

    Habs should sign Moen and Staubitz period! I might be wrong but I think White is already under contract..Get that fourth line signed Marc!

  68. Habfan4lfe says:

    Devils vs Kings. Snore fest but I bet ya Bettman has his feet up on a desk going “ahhh..and it only took a few fixed officiating games”

  69. habstrinifan says:

    Video responses to two non hockey items posted yesterday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/25/montreal-pots-and-pans-video-bill-78_n_1546694.html?ref=mostpopular#s=1023005

    a)Boone remark re non-white presence.

    b)The overly reactionary somewhat fascist views of teh protests may want to consider the implications of the new laws against protest.


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