Liveblog: Kings win 2-1 in OT, head home up two

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Jeff Carter, quiet for most of the night, showed some hustle and beat Martin Brodeur to the stick side, 14 minutes into overtime.
Los Angeleses of the final in OT, which has won both gam is 10-0 on the road in the playoffs.
The Kings charter home after the game with an early stranglehold on the series.

And L’Antichambre says Patrick Roy is out of the picture for the Canadiens head coaching job.

They say Michel Therrien or Marc Crawford.

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  1. habsavvy says:

    Marc Crawford has always been my choice.
    too bad we can’t hire the best coach. as always must be 1 that speaks french.
    that will undoubtedly prevent us from ever winning a cup.

  2. Habs_4_ever says:

    Luka Rocco Magnotta’s How To Completely Disappear And Never Be Found…Not very effective!

    Sorry for being off topic!

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  3. commandant says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Savard over Therrien, but Roy and Groulx are preffered imo.

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  4. JohnBellyful says:

    MB: Rick, I invited you to sit in with me, Scott and Trevor as we go over the prospects for this month’s draft just to keep you in the loop. I didn’t want you to feel left out but as you know, we gave our word to Toronto that you wouldn’t say anything about what you learned from the Maple Leafs’ scouting reports. Got that? You can’t say anything that would reveal confidential information.
    Okay, let’s start. We won’t bother with the Top 10 picks because everyone around the league pretty much agrees on those and Rick, you’ve already seen our top two choices. What we’re going to do here today is look at the prospects after the Top Ten. Here’s how Trevor and his scouts have got them arranged. Let’s go down the list, starting with the first guy. Trevor?”
    Trevor: Hard-nosed. Soft hands. Good in the corners. Needs to work on his skating. Could put on some weight.
    MB: What’s that, Rick? Three words. First word. One syllable. He’s riding a bike. Cycling. Cycles.
    Trevor: Bikes. Bikes! Sounds like bikes. Yikes. Trikes. Likes!
    MB: Way to go, Trev’. Second word. Two! Likes two. Likes to… Third word. Two syllables. First syllable. Golf. Swing. Even. Par! Second syllable. Golf again? You’re setting the ball in place. Pointing… Tee! He likes to par-tee. Okay. Trev’, drop him down the list. Who’s next?
    Trevor: Great playmaker. Excellent vision. Wicked wrist shot. Great burst of speed. Only five-foot-ten. Played poorly in the playoffs. Team eliminated first round.
    MB: Rick, you wanted to say…portray something? Okay. Ten words. Ten words! Okay, first word. Pull. Past tense. Pulled! Second word. Two syllables. Oink, oink. Pig! Not pig. Eating pig. Kind of pig meat. Pork! Ham! Okay, ham. Second syllable. Rope. String! Pulled hamstring. Third word. Sleeping. Nighttime. Opposite of nighttime. Daytime. Shorten. Day! Pulled hamstring day. Fourth word. Two syllables. Buzzing.
    Trevor: Bee. Second syllable. Four! Pulled hamstring day before. Fifth word. Two syllables. You’re playing. Shorter. Play. Playoffs! Pulled hamstring day before playoffs!
    Marc: Sixth word. Diving into the water. Swimming. Dragging someone back to shore. Save. Saving! Pulled hamstring day before playoffs saving. Seventh word. Woman. Smaller. Girl! Pulled hamstring day before playoffs saving girl. In! Ninth word. Fire. Flames.
    Trevor: Burn. Burning!
    Marc: Pulled hamstring day before playoffs saving girl in burning …
    Scott: Building! Pulled hamstring day before playoffs saving girl in burning building!
    Marc: Well, that certainly moves him up the list. Great character. Courageous. Willing to sacrifice body. Showed determination playing injured. How come we didn’t hear about him being a hero?
    Trevor: My guess is, he didn’t want anyone to know he had injured himself – Rick’s nodding his head – and he probably asked the girl to keep the whole matter quiet – right, Rick? Yep! – but she couldn’t keep it secret so she spoke to … one of Toronto’s scouts. Rick? Okay, now it all makes sense.
    Marc: Well, this is certainly productive. How many more players do we have to go through?
    Trevor: 200
    Marc [groan]: I don’t know if I can play charades that long. Rick, do you know Morse code?
    Rick: -.– . …
    Marc: Great! Next one, Trevor …

    • punkster says:

      One word…no 2…no…2 syllables…first syllable sex, no X…ok, second syllable…cross, no religious…ok, going away on holidays…no religious holiday…christmas…no lent…yes!…

      XLent!

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      This is a fantastical report. Rick Dudley isn’t bound by Marc Bergevin’s and Brian Burke’s gentlemen’s agreement to not speak about the draft, but to not work on the draft. So the Morse Code or charades option isn’t even open. Now, if Rick Dudley was a bit of a fanboy about the draft, and wanted to poke around a bit, strictly as a hobby, on a day off, I guess that would be allowed though. How might that go? Would it be enough that he wore a Hawaiian shirt and one of those ridiculous Tilley hats?

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      • JohnBellyful says:

        I talked to Rick. He said he didn’t consider it work. He thought it was fun. A real charades buff, that guy.
        As for the Morse code stuff, just another way to release all that pent-up energy. Once a player, always a player, but when you don’t play anymore …

  5. TomNickle says:

    Funny that Crawford is bashed here every day because he was fired for missing the playoffs in three locations.

    Pat Burns was fired three times.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      He’s not a candidate though.


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      • TomNickle says:

        And my point is that if he were alive and healthy right now that he would be at the top of the list.

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      • shiram says:

        hehehe

        Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

    • Max_a_million says:

      Pat Burns only missed playoffs once. Made it past the 1st and 2nd round many times.

      • shiram says:

        Scott Gomez only missed the playoffs twice, made it past the 1st and 2nd round many times. :p

        Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Okay Gomez Player/Coach next year, with emphasis on coach.

        • Max_a_million says:

          He is not a coach who soley has responsibility for a team. He is one player on a team, that has happened to be on good teams. This argument makes no sense. Find another coach so it’s at least an equivalent argument.

          • TomNickle says:

            So now his accomplishments prior to Montreal don’t mean anything?

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          • shiram says:

            Aww and here I thought my smiley face indicated quite clearly how serious that post was.

            Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I got you Shiram :)

          • Max_a_million says:

            sorry I missed the joke Shiram. I am hungry and your poutine body form always distracts me so.

          • shiram says:

            Cheers Max, I too am famished, but lunch is not for another 45 minutes! Crappy salad too.

            Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

          • Max_a_million says:

            I had crappy salad for breakfast!

      • TomNickle says:

        He was fired in Toronto right before missing the playoffs and was fired in Boston after a bad start.

        Funny Savard and Therrien had to be compared for similar but not nearly identical careers and Crawford and Burns who are more alike based on their careers can’t be.

        You sure do like picking your spots don’t ya.

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        • Max_a_million says:

          Nope not at all.
          Crawford does not make the playoffs, and does not win playoff rounds. Pat Burns did both of those things often. It’s a competitive league, failure will happen on occasion, people are not perfect, circumstances arise.

          It’s a just a regular thing for Crawford to fail. He has a long track record of failure.

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah Max. Clearly. Your disregard for circumstance is hilarious.

            Uniformity with no rhyme or reason to draw from. If only life were as simple as that thought process.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            Winners win, losers lose. Marc Crawford loses a lot, with a lot of teams, in a lot of places. Just sayin’

            Pat Burns won a lot, with a lot of teams in a lot of places. Just sayin’

            I would hire Pat Burns right now if he was available. He was a great coach, Crawford unfortunately is not.

            I realize you like to qualify some losses as better losses, except in the NHL a loss is a loss. Everyone is a professional player. Find a way to win.

          • TomNickle says:

            Marc Crawford has won more than any other coach available. He’s also won a lot more than he’s lost.

            He’s also not had the benefit of capable goaltending. Something Burns always had.

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    • LizardKing12 says:

      Pat Burns if memory serves me well was fired from toronto and boston but he was not fired from Montreal. Pat Burns never missed the playoffs 5 years in a row. Not to mention he won the Jack Adams 3 times with 3 different teams. Pat Burns is a hall of fame coach, Crawford unfortunately is not.

  6. commandant says:

    Denis Savard would be a good choice IMO.

    At least in comparison to Therrien.

    Let’s be honest though, Bergevin and Dudley were both part of the regime that was in Chicago at the time, so they will know exactly what they are getting. If the hire Denis, there will be a good reason why and it shoudl help calm fears that he was some kinda idiot coach in chicago, which he wasn’t.

    • TomNickle says:

      That’s been my opinion Ben. Unfortunately Savard lives with his family in Chicago and may not want to relocate. So we may never know if his dismissal was really because a new voice was needed or if he was doing a bad job.

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  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’ve never really followed basketball but I have to admit the NBA playoffs are more exciting than the NHL. Talent is allowed to shine rather than suppressed. Plus, the VIP fans are cooler (Chris Rock & Jack Nicholson versus Vince Vaughn and that woman Mike Fisher is married to).


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    • shiram says:

      I really liked seeing Steve Nash play, he had a great control over the game.
      Regular season is not so great though.

      Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

  8. FanCritic says:

    I think we should talk about building a winning team first and give them to Roy he won’t be any worst than Therrien,Crawford or savard.
    Therrien couldn’t win a cup with some of the best players in the NHL, yes he won the Eastern Conference Champions in 2007-2008 like I said with some of the best players in the NHL.

    Savard lasted 147 games with Chicago got the boot. Crawford won a cup in COL 1995-1996 with maybe the best players in the NHL at that time never won anything after. I would give Patrick a chance if he wants it maybe some of you guys might have to eat crow… for your comments.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Ok…I’ve been corrected. Roy is not the best available option. What I was saying is I think he’s the best option of the list we have been given lately. I don’t know that for sure, but I think he’d do the best job.
      I don’t think writing off coaches for winning because the teams were great makes sense. Many coaches have lost with great teams. It’s hard to win the Cup, regardless of having good players.

      Go Habs Go!!

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    • TomNickle says:

      Speaking for myself. I prefer Crawford or a young coach(Lefebvre, Vincent, Raymond) open to being coached himself by a group of mentors.

      Having said that, I wouldn’t have any problem with Roy because there wouldn’t be a dull moment.

      Roy would be completely unpredictable and history indicates that he would be a highly emotional coach who stands just as good of a chance of doing harm as he does of doing good. But again, I wouldn’t have a problem with him being hired on entertainment value alone.

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    • D Mex says:

      Coaching is part of the process to build a winner. Are you suggesting someone else step in to do the leg work and then hand it over to Roy ?

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      D Mex

  9. b_whalen13 says:

    Sorry if this was already posted. Arpon Basu took in the NHL Combine this past week in Toronto, and caught up with Trevor Timmins.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=633573

  10. shiram says:

    Penguins aquire rights to Vokoun from Capitals.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=633705
    7th round pick was the return.

    Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

  11. HFX-HabFan says:

    Penguins get the rights to Vokoun from WSH for a 7th rounder.

  12. shiram says:

    So Tim Thomas is taking a sabbatical to focus on the 3 F’s….

    Eff the Bruins, Eff the Fans and Eff the League.

    Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

  13. Max_a_million says:

    NHL coaches with no Head coaching experience in NHL before being hired and winning pct:

    Lindy Ruff – .562
    Kirk Muller – .544
    Joe Sacco – .510
    Glen Gulutzan – .543
    Kevin Dineen – .573
    Mike Yeo – .494
    Barry Trotz – .537
    Jack Capuano – .480
    Paul McLean – .561
    Dan Blysma – .655
    Todd McClellan – .657
    Guy Boucher – .570

    Some of these coaches are considered to be among the best in the NHL. Guess what all of the current NHL coaches were at one time rookie coaches with no NHL coaching experience including Dick Irvin, Toe Blake, and Scotty Bowman.

    Being a rookie coach should not be a disqualifying factor.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      To put this in context, are you saying that Junior Coaching and AHL Coaching are equal in experience towards helping at the NHL Level?

      When someone says Roy is a rookie with no experience, it is being directed at zero pro experience, having only worked with young boys essentially.

      I have no issue with the stats you provided, but in order to make comparisons, just want to make sure we are not comparing apples and oranges.

      Edit: Every single name you mentioned had multiples years of Pro coaching experience, none came direct from Junior Hockey.

      • Max_a_million says:

        i think a good coach could come from the Junior ranks just as easily as he could come from the AHL or assistant positions yes. Easily so. Especially someone with 18 years of experience in a pro locker room yes.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think a good coach can come from Junior also, but is more likely to have difficulty with the transition because the players are now pros. Peter DoBoer is the best example of this. Someone posted the other day, how after he was fired by Florida he called and polled the players from Florida to find out what they thought his strengths and weaknesses were. They told him to stop yelling at them so much like they were kids and rather treat them like pros.

          I would prefer our new Head Coach have some pro experience, the Habs head coaching position should not be going to “raw rookie” head coaches with zero pro experience because they were once a player.

          Of course just an opinion of mine, would love to see Roy coach the Hamilton team first for a year or two.

    • TomNickle says:

      Every single one of those coaches either coached in the AHL or were assistants in the NHL prior to being promoted.

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  14. joeybarrie says:

    I have to agree with the posts that say how is Roy the best option available?
    ZERO nhl coaching experience.
    Currently the GM, Coach, VP and owner of the Remparts. And I say this because being completely in control of everything may work for him in the Q, but the NHL is different.
    He has no other coaching experience in the AHL or any other league.
    Some one put that Roy has not been involved in an altercation is 7-8 years….. NOT TRUE. He was in a fist fight in 2007. He had that issue with his son in 2008. And another with his other son in 2008.
    You may ask why that is important to this, well how he leads his current team is indicative of how he will lead our team.
    He rejected the head coach offer for the Avalanche in 2009.

    I dont know much more than the average fan, but i do have common sense. and my end point here is to question why so many are so sure he is going to be a great influence on our team. FIRE alone does not do anything as a coach. JM has done more here in Montreal than most coaches have in the last 20 years. He had no fire in front of the cameras. I think people want Roy, because he is ROY. They want the fire cause JM didnt have fire. They want something different just because its different.
    WAKE UP TO REALITY. JM is not the reason we did not win a Stanley Cup in the last 5 years. Nor is Carbo. Its a function of many different things. And fixing one in a certain way is not going to make it happen. Sutter in LA is not the best coach in the NHL. In Fact after a 5-6 year away from NHL coaching saying he couldnt coach and serve as GM, im sure there were a lot of question marks around him. But his team is about to win the Stanley Cup.

    I just find it funny people think a coach with no experience and only has a Memorial Cup to his name in his first year as coach by the way. Which is more indicative of a good team than a great coach. Especially since Michel Therrien won the Memorial Cup before Roy did……….

  15. Max_a_million says:

    Yikes the Denis Savard votes are starting to come out. Is there any argument at all that this guys was not over his head coaching in Chicago??? He makes a great case for Quenneville for sure. Savard has easily proven he couldn’t do it already.

    • TomNickle says:

      In his only full season with a Blackhawks team that was unbelievably young(Oilers now young) he had a record of 40-34-8.

      He was fired with a 1-2-1 record the following year and was retained in the organization.

      I’d be okay with a guy who helped develop Kane and Toews.

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      • Max_a_million says:

        The players didn’t want him. That was a quick mutiny. The management had seen enough. Kane and Toews are world class talents (3rd and 1st overall picks). It is not as though he made Stroganoff out of wasted bits of meat. I don’t think he deserves much in the way of credit there. These guys were made to be superstars before they ever reached the NHL, Denis did not make them such.

        • TomNickle says:

          Apparently saying he helped in their development translated to him being the reason they’re stars. Take a breath.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            What does it take to help the top pick in the draft be a star?
            The guy who sharpened his skates helps him, the athletic trainer, strength and conditioning coaches, valets, locker room attendants, nutritional experts,

            Savard wasn’t a good coach. Kane and Toews would be Kane and Toews without Savard’s help.

          • TomNickle says:

            Ask Alexandre Daigle, Brian Lawton, Nik Zherdev, Nikita Filatov, Kyle Turris and hundreds of others.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            You are contradicting yourself with your argument. You should be a big Therrien supporter. He ‘helped’ Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Staal, Letang, Malone … As far as it comes to ‘helping’ wouldn’t this be la creme de la creme?

          • TomNickle says:

            I’m not contradicting myself in the least fella. Everybody is different. Therrien may have helped the young players in Pittsburgh develop but in the midst of all of that he coached through the media more often than not. Savard did no such thing in Chicago.

            Take your argument somewhere else if your agenda is to do nothing save for put words in my mouth.

            Thanks.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            Therrien did more than Savard as a coach, and he ‘helped’ lots of younger top picked highly touted players develop into superstars. that’s why you like Savard, so maybe you should rethink how you feel about Therrien? He would be liking having Savard, except better!

          • TomNickle says:

            You’re missing what I’m saying completely and focusing on one part of it.

            I dislike Therrien as a candidate because he’s a tyrant who coached through the media by calling players out through reporters. Savard didn’t do that.

            Therrien was a blow hard who wore his emotions on his sleeve in both Montreal and Pittsburgh.

            Savard wasn’t.

            Savard’s helping a couple of young players develop is not the reason I think his candidacy would be valid. His making the most out of the roster he had while with Chicago is. He got an incredibly young team to play over their heads. Therrien got an expected result with Pittsburgh and had some of the best goaltending and defense in the league while with the Habs.

            Different candidates.
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          • Max_a_million says:

            That’s fine I dislike Therrien as well, and agree with your points on him.

            I don’t see how Savard helped much, and if he was coaching them over their heads he wouldn’t have been fired. That team had 104 pts the year he was fired.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Many rookie Head Coaches fail in their first job as NHL Head Coach, heck all coaches eventually fail (unless you coach in Buffalo where championships are not a goal). Peter DoBoer failed in Florida learned from the experience and is now doing well in New Jersey. Denis Savard had his first opportunity in Chicago, failed, but not miserably as they did retain him. Seems to me Montreal would be a pretty good fit for him on his second go around. He understands and knows the Montreal pressures, he has had many years of Asst. Coach experience, has had a kick at the can with a young Hawk team and he fits the non-coaching criteria which our organization requires. In fact he also brings some cache, I would be fine with such a choice.

      • Max_a_million says:

        You don’t fire a good coach after 4 games into a season with a good roster. Chicago kept him on to not coach. I would much prefer to have someone new who could be great, as opposed to someone that has proven they do not have the chops. If you are only four games into a season, and you believe in your coach, it doesn’t matter if you lose the first four games 10-0.

        • TomNickle says:

          They moved on because they felt that Savard had developed the kids as far as he could and Quenneville was brought in because they were ready to go to the next level. That’s the Blackhawks public reason.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            Don’t both sides in such things usually put their best foot forward?

            Isn’t it bad form, and not usually done to say ‘yeah our coach isn’t good enough, so we got a better one’. Even in the real non-sports world people usually put a good positive foot forward in such things.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I would rather Quenneville over Savard also. I don’t think Savard is ideal, I just am not a fan of Therrien and have concerns over Roy.

      • boing007 says:

        Me too.

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    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      On good sources he is battling some personal demons and moving forward, yet he could be still be in a fragile stage

  16. shiram says:

    Scary stuff concering Boogard and the amount of prescription drugs he received while playing for the Wild and Rangers.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/156927415.html

    Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Incredible. Partly it is VIP syndrome, and partly the fact that players travel so much and get so many injuries they end up having multiple physicians.


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      • joeybarrie says:

        If my wife gets a prescription from her doctor and then another one from her dentist even the Target Pharmacist can tell. When she had one she couldnt take with another she was informed by a 90k a year pharmacist for a discount chain.
        So i find it astonishing that a professional hockey team investing millions of dollars in an athlete can mishandle medication. And i find it equally astonishing that a doctor in a small hospital in middle America has to be held accountable for what they do, but one working in the public eye for a sports team can get away with anything.
        Yet so many people find the American system so far superior to so many…

        • shiram says:

          I think some team just do not really care about some of their player’s.
          Also the league turns a blind eye on it.

          Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Only if she goes to the same pharmacy.

          Poly-pharmacy is quite common amongst drug users and it is very hard to stop. It’s especially difficult if you have multiple doctors in different states. NY State for example had a mandatory reporting program for all narcotics, but they had no access to prescriptions filled in other states.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Well considering E-health in Ontario has about the same cost as many countries GDP and it still has shortcomings, I am not too quick to pronounce our system much better.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Grand Prix canceled its first day because of student protests.

    Two profs at UdeM wrote an editorial in the NY Times comparing Charest to Putin and urging American tourists not to visit Montreal, and its “Orwellian” nightmare. (A minor quibble, but journalists who criticize Putin end up dead – so there’s at least one difference.)

    (And at least some students have a legitimate grievance: anyone studying with those two profs’ is paying too much tuition.)

    In my neighborhood Friday police cadets were keeping the streets closed to traffic for the Tour de l’Ile. A protester went up to a cadet and started banging his pot 2 inches from his face.

    This is of a piece with the protests about Cunneyworth’s mother tongue.


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    • Cal says:

      Those same “professors” never mentioned the cost of tuition, making it seem that the students were being screwed over. The NY Times didn’t do any fact checking, making it the equivalent of a blog.
      As usual, it’s we taxpayers who are being screwed over and inconvenienced by these ignoramuses collectively known as “students”.

  18. TomNickle says:

    To be clear. I’d be happy with anyone other than Michel Therrien or Guy Carbonneau.

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  19. Ozmodiar says:

    Sounds like people aren’t buying the RDS report that says Roy is out of the running.

    • Phil C says:

      I believe he is out of the running because if the reports are true that Roy demanded veto power on personnel decisions, (and it seems very plausible given how things run with the Remparts), I think there is zero chance of him being hired. No GM in his right mind would agree to this. Roy needs to be GM/Coach. Molson had that option when hiring the GM, but that ship has sailed (thankfully).

      Let’s say Roy agrees to coach without veto power. GM’s tend to take a longer view of team building than coaches do, so eventually Roy will be unhappy with a move the GM makes. How do you think Roy would handle this situation in the press? My guess is not very well.

      Let’s get a coach how knows how to work within a team without having final say. You can have influence without being in charge.

      And let’s find someone who has coached men before. The Habs’ bench is not the place for on-the-job training.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Media have been so wrong so far that I’ll wait until Bergevin speaks.

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  20. Habsrule1 says:

    I would like to see Roy as coach. Simply put, he is the best option available. Now, if Vigneault, Babcock, etc, etc were available, I would want them, but we’re going to pass up Roy for Crawford? Therrien? Ridiculous.
    If the GM is afraid to hire Roy cause if the team loses, he’ll be fired instead of Roy, that says a lot about the GM.
    Hire Roy. Get him a good team. Win.
    Pretty simple.

    Go Habs Go!!

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    • The Cat says:

      Why hasnt Denis Savard been included in the rumours? Im pretty sure he has more of a shot than Crawford.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Max_a_million says:

        His coaching stint was dreadful. Hopefully that is why.
        65-66-16 with a team that went to rack up 104 pts after he was replaced.

        • boing007 says:

          Right, after the arrival of Kane, Sharp, Toews and all the others.
          The Blackhawks were not a star-studded team when Savard coached there.

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          • Max_a_million says:

            They had those players when he coached there. They had 104 points the year he was fired.

    • TomNickle says:

      Saying that Roy is the best option available is at minimum incorrect and at best speculative.

      He has coached zero games at the professional level.

      Pascal Vincent is a better candidate.

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      • Habsrule1 says:

        Maybe Vincent would be a good candidate. I was speaking more of the names that we have heard. Technically, it can be argued that any coach that has had head coaching experience in the AHL or NHL is a better candidate, I suppose….or even assistant coach experience in either of those leagues.
        But you guys truly lose me when you seem to think Roy will get a free pass. I don’t buy it, and yes….I do understand “how things work” in Montreal.
        I hope we get the chance to see how it would really play out. The media in Montreal would love to throw Roy under the bus just as much as anyone else.

        Go Habs Go!!

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        • The Cat says:

          Roy will get much more of a free pass than anybody else in memory, simply because the media are calling for him. The media didnt call for Carbo, JM etc

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          I don’t buy it either. Very speculative.

        • TomNickle says:

          Patrick Roy would immediately be the most notable, successful player and biggest personality this team has ever had at the Head Coach position. You want him as coach and you’re entitled to your opinion. But to say that he’s the best option available and completely disregarding the love affair that the city has with him is naive.

          Pascal Vincent
          Clement Joidoin
          Marc Crawford
          Michel Therrien
          Martin Raymond
          Daniel Lacroix
          Denis Savard
          Sylvain Lefebvre

          All have more experience at the professional level. They just aren’t Patrick Roy.

          I would be content but not necessarily happy with anyone other than Michel Therrien. He’s a tyrant and more so than Roy a “me first” guy.

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      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        I disagree with your assessment Tom.

        I understand that experience is important (in any field), but at some point, it is hard to judge just how important experience really is. Do you really think that Pascal Vincent is a better candidate than Patrick Roy because he’s coached one year (as an assistant) at the pro level? Really?

        I have heard a lot of talk about how Roy isn’t a great candidate because he lacks pro experience and that coaching kids is easier than coaching prima donna players. I think Roy, who has not only been a Hall of Fame player, in Montreal no less, but has also been coaching for several years now, would get the benefit of the doubt as soon as he would step into the room. This is a guy who has paid his dues coaching Junior hockey. What dues did Carbo pay? DeBoer went straight to the NHL from junior and did just fine. Hunter was criticized but did manage to get his team to within one win of the Eastern Finals.

        Roy has pro experience. He played at an extremely high level in a pressure-cooker environment. He has head coaching experience. What more do you want?

        • TomNickle says:

          I don’t have a problem with Roy becoming Head Coach. None.

          I have a problem with him being called the best available candidate. He hasn’t proven that he is.

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            Again, I was only referring to the names we had heard mentioned. I think he is a better candidate than many you have mentioned because he knows what it takes to win in Montreal, and for all the reasons Jan mentioned. I won’t repeat them.
            Again, I don’t want him to et the job because his name is Patrick Roy. I want him to get the job if, after interviews are over, Bergevin sees him as the most capable to make the team win.
            I guess by that logic, if he chooses Therrien, I’ll live with it.

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          • TomNickle says:

            Paul, please don’t take this the wrong way. This was never about you or your motives or opinions. This thread was bread from what many here believe to be the agenda of a loud portion of the media. Not you.

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            All good Tom. I personally doubt any coach would be left alone after a long losing streak in this town, but hell, I’ve been wrong before.
            It really doesn’t look like I’ll be finding out anyway.
            I kinda like your idea of Pascal Vincent though. He’s done what Roy has, more or less, in Junior, and is assistant coach in Winnipeg now.
            For some reason, I trust Bergevin to get it right….even though I can’t get my head around Therrien at all.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Denis Savard or Martin Raymond get my votes.

    • shiram says:

      Heck I’d like to see Clément Jodoin a try before Roy, even if supposedly Jodoin is better at working with kids and developing them. I also don’t see how Roy is best choice, what quantifies that? He is probably the most popular well known name being thrown out there, and he has great experience as a player, and some experience coaching, but never at a pro level.
      Once more, I hope Bergevin surprises most of us with his choice.

      Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    Given all the discussion regarding who should coach, I just feel compelled to mention Gomez, since he has received very little “airtime” here lately. :)

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Does anyone know what the current status is regarding Serge Savard? Has he remained on with the Habs in a Bob Gainey type role, senior advisor, or is his term with the Habs now completed with the hiring of Bergevin?

    • shiram says:

      I’m thinking he’ll stay untill the Head Coach is picked, at the very least.

      Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

    • TomNickle says:

      When Geoff Molson announced the hiring of Bergevin I believe that he said Serge Savard would always be available for advice but I don’t believe there was any formal position given to him.

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  23. TomNickle says:

    Ed’s point goes further beyond agenda. If Roy were to be appointed as coach he would get more rope than any coach in the history of this franchise from day one.

    Team hasn’t been successful in year one? Gauthier’s fault.

    Team isn’t successful in year two? Bergevin’s fault.

    Team doesn’t score enough goals? Not enough talent, Bergevin’s fault.

    Team not tough enough? Bergevin’s fault.

    The only scenario where Roy would take blame for his team is if he gets close repeatedly and fails. And if that happens, nobody will be complaining about his coaching. Roy coming to the Habs is a dream scenario for him, if he’s been offered the opportunity and hasn’t jumped all over it, he’s a fool.

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    • shiram says:

      There is this sense that Roy would indeed be handled with white gloves and be given alot of leniency, and I can’t say I like this.
      Words that he should have say on the draft and trades are so ridiculous.

      Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        ” … given alot of leniency …”

        That beats are current system: asking for the coach to be fired as soon as the team has a short losing streak.


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        • shiram says:

          Aim for the middle ground, where a coach can still be accountable, but given enough rope to instill his culture.

          Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

    • New says:

      I think it is important to remember that Bergevin, Dudley, and Mellanby have not been immersed in this cultural debate and might in fact be looking for the best coaching team available to mesh with the players they have or need to go out and get.

      Canadiens fans could have something to rant about all summer after the surprise wears off.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I just think this is simply ridiculous. ‘m a HUGE Patrick Roy fan, but the blame will be mostly his if Bergevin does a halfway decent job getting and keeping players that we need to win. Fans are smart enough to know if the coach sux or the GM sux, or in the most recent example, they both suck.

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      • TomNickle says:

        This isn’t your opinion people are referring to when they say that Roy won’t get his fair share of the blame. You’re giving WAY too much credit to the media and fans who adore Roy.

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        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          There are definitely MANY people who want to see Roy and would give him much more rope, but I don’t see that as a negative. I think at this stage, we need to realize it will take at least a couple of years before we are truly competitive. I think most fans understand this.

          Also, there are MANY people who do NOT want to see Roy as coach, and I’m sure would be just as willing to throw him under the bus as the other side would be to give him a chance.

  24. ed lopaz says:

    I am reading below the posts that still support Roy for coach.

    Let me explain very quickly what the problem is.

    There is a “faction” of French language media that are very “radical” in their views, political, linguistic, etc.

    These people are supporting Roy for coach.

    These people will run Bergevin out of town, if they have to, to protect Roy.

    They are the French language equivalent of Don Cherry on the English side.

    Irrational, anti everything Anglophone, etc.

    The posters here who support Roy need to understand this point clearly.

    Boone and Stubbs are rational, tolerant, people who give players and coaches a fair shake.

    The “dark side” of the media in Quebec are not to be trusted.

    Bergevin, I know, understands this point very well.

    Watch your back if you hire Roy and things don’t go well Mr. Bergevin.

    .

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Gimme a break.
      Hire the best coach available without worrying about yourself and what will happen if the team loses. If the team loses because Roy does a bad job, he’ll be fired, regardless of media and fans. If they lose cause Bergevin doesn’t get the players we need, then eventually he’ll be fired.
      Don’t turn this into something it’s not.

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      • ed lopaz says:

        you simply don’t understand the way things work in this town.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Ya sure. I only have followed the Habs and lived in Montreal for 30 years. I’m clueless.
          Let’s not hire the best coach (assuming he is, which I’m not sure about) because I might be in trouble if we lose as opposed to the coach being in trouble. Makes a lot of sense….and shows a real weakness in the GM.
          Roy is a strong personality and loved by many right now. If he loses 10 games in a row, I guarantee fans & French media will be clamoring for him to be fired.
          I guess you just don’t know how things work in this town.

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          • TomNickle says:

            You’re way off base in my view Paul. Any failure this coming season will fall squarely on Gauthier’s shoulders. This new management team and the soon to be coach will have a full season of rope.

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            Well, then that’s even more reason to think Roy will not cause any harm to Bergevin….at least not this year. Whatever failures there are will not too negatively affect Bergevin or Roy for this season.
            I just cannot get my head around everyone wanting Bergevin fired next season if the Habs lose 10 in a row. The target is always the coach first, and it will be no different for Roy. I know because I’m a huge Roy fan, but if he sux, I’ll want him gone.
            Besides, we can all tell when the coach sux or when the GM is not doing his job. It’s ridiculous to me that people think the media or fans will run Bergevin out of town if Roy does a bad job. But hey….I guess time would tell….if Roy was even hired, which I doubt he will be, so this convo is pretty irrelevant lol

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          • TomNickle says:

            The target is usually the coach first. But in this scenario you’ll have the second most distinguished player to coach in the modern era behind Wayne Gretzky. Who by the way escaped the axe in favour of a GM.

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      • TomNickle says:

        I’m not going to speak to the French media angle in this. But to hire Roy is to acknowledge that you will be fired before he can be. You agreed with me on this last week Paul. When you hire Roy, you can’t get away from him even if you want to.

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    • Max_a_million says:

      Isn’t that backwards logic? Watch your back if you don’t hire Roy, and things go badly. Especially if he is guiding the Nordiques to incredible success.

      • TomNickle says:

        Roy has reportedly been after a GM/Coach position in the NHL. If that’s true, what’s to stop him from going out of his way to get the GM fired when things don’t go well?

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          GM/coaches are pretty rare these days. I doubt Roy would even want both. It’s one thing to do all that in the juniors, but much different in the NHL.
          And hell, if he does want that, it surely will not be with the Habs, so he can find that elsewhere.
          It’s not quite that easy to just get the GM fired. This isn’t a movie.

          Go Habs Go!!

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          • TomNickle says:

            Roy is pretty rare. And it isn’t that uncommon.

            Bob Gainey
            Pat Quinn
            Darryl Sutter

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            You mentioned 1 out of 29 teams in the league (Gainey & Quinn no longer do that).
            I’d say that’s rare.

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          • TomNickle says:

            There are none right now. I’m not sure what your point is though Paul. You’re saying that Roy can’t ask to be a coach and GM at the same time because it’s rare in the NHL today?

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            Of course it can happen. The Habs are not looking for that so if he wants it, he’ll have to find that job elsewhere.
            Or he can pretend he just wants the coaching job and somehow conspire to get Bergevin fired.
            And then the credits will role.

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Agree 100% Ed.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Another way to look at it it it this. If the team loses the fans and media will be less than patient. There will be trouble.

      All that hiring Roy means is the particular form the trouble takes will be different than if Therrien is hired.

      Given that we want stability (apparently) it could be argued that Roy might be a good choice, assuming he and Bergevin are on the same page.

      Look at it this way: let’s say Therrien is appointed and the team starts off poorly. How long before the fans and media start grumbling? In days.

      There will always be craziness around the Habs, and I don’t expect it will change. Bert Raymond and Rejean Tremblay will always be unctuous f**ks, and that won’t change either.


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    • shiram says:

      I hope he never plays in the NHL again. I dislike this guy, alot.

      Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

    • commandant says:

      Haggerty is a hack and a homer.

      The guy is the journalistic equivalent of Jack Edwards.

      I got this far, “It was a glorious, borderline Hall of Fame career on the ice, and a quirky journey off it”

      He has less than 400 career NHL games… Borderline Hall of Fame

      Boston sportswriters are insufferable.

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      • shiram says:

        Yeah I caught that one as well, Thomas is good and he won a cup, but the Hall is for a longer term than Thomas’s.
        There’s no real juice from his team-mates either.

        Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

      • Max_a_million says:

        I disagree having read him a lot. Haggerty is always very fair, and insightful. So he has some exuberance for Thomas, not a crime.

    • Phil C says:

      Do any of you pyjama-capologists know why Thomas’ salary still counts against the cap hit for the Bruins? I know he is over 35, but isn’t this the same as retiring?

      • shiram says:

        Yeah and if some guy over 35 retires, he still counts on the cap.

        Need a new Head Coach? Why not Bykov?

        • Phil C says:

          Okay, I get it now, I thought retiring got the team off the hook (doesn’t seem fair). I think the Devils put Mogilny on LTIR to circumvent the cap with an over-35 contract. I guess its too late for the Bruins to do that.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Any contract signed after age 35 is a 35plus contract. The current CBA stipulates that the contract is enforceable no matter what in order to prevent giving older players B.S. contracts which they have no intent of honouring in order to circumvent cap.

        However, Boston will get to put Savards contract on Long Term I.R. thus freeing up about 4million capspace.

  25. Phil C says:

    The fact that Pittsburgh won the cup after they fired Thierren did not look good on the coach. But there were two key moves that came within two weeks of firing Thierren: they traded for Kunitz and Guerin. Crosby then had a legitimate winger and the Penguins then had two scoring lines. The Penguins subsequently went 10-1-2 in March and 6-1-1 in April, and ultimately won the Cup. Bylsma often gets credit for this turnaround (and subsequently Thierren gets the blame for the prior underachieving), but a strong argument can be made that it was the roster changes that turned the team around. Dustin Brown said in an interview yesterday that signing Carter transformed the Kings this year because it gave them two lines with multiple threats to score. I think a similar transformation happened when Kunitz and Guerin were signed in Pittsburgh in 2009.

    I’m not saying I want the Habs to hire Thierren. Of the retread options, my preference would be Crawford. But if Bergevin chooses him, that’s good enough for me.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Not to mention a team with some of the best offensive talent in the league was allowed to play offense. That is what they talk about when the reasons for firing him where brought out. His style of play didn’t mesh with having some of the best players in the world in Crosby, Malkin, Staal … Seems like bad coaching to me when you implement your system in such a way that does not best fit your talent. I don’t buy any strong argument for Therrien. He cost us the series against Carolina with a boneheaded penalty when a coach should be thinking above the game, and never cost his team with such a selfish stupid act.

      • Phil C says:

        They were allowed to play offense when they had all the tools to do it. Crosby and Malkin can’t do it alone, just like Kopitar and Richards did nothing for the first half of this season.

        I agree with you about 2006 though. The Habs had their foot on Carolina’s throat in game 3 and let it slip away. Some credit has to go to putting Ward in net in game 3 as Carolina would have not won anything with Gerber. Losing Koivu was a huge blow as well. Not many teams lose their number 1 centre and go on to win the Cup.

        • Max_a_million says:

          Therrien made a huge blunder that turned the tide there. Ray Shero thought that Blysma would be better for his team, as did the players. Blysma was a rookie coach that so many are afraid of here. I think Therrien won with talent in spite of coaching, and that Kunitz and Guerin may have helped yes, but the change in style was a big contributing factor.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Bylsma was a rookie NHL coach, he had under his belt 3 Years AHL Asst. Coach, 1 Year NHL Asst. Coach, and 1 Year AHL Head Coach experience. I don’t equate that with being a Junior coach.

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    A disturbing story, showing how many of the NHL’s own team doctors were giving out presciptions of various drugs to Boogard, some based on him just sending them a text.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/sports/hockey/in-hockey-enforcers-descent-a-flood-of-prescription-drugs.html?_r=2

  27. TomNickle says:

    So I enjoy a hockey-free weekend and I come back to see the requisite media hype train has not only left the station but is speeding out of control during these Stanley Cup Finals.

    “L.A. Kings dominant against overwhelmed Devils”

    “Jeff Carter, the underdog feel good story about a good character guy”

    I think it’s maybe just a little over the top to call two overtime wins dominant. It might also be a bit of a stretch to call a guy who couldn’t look at a bottle without finding the bottom of it, a guy who mailed it in for much of his time in Philadelphia and then completely in Columbus a good character guy.

    Next up for the blown way out of proportion train.

    “Quick the next Martin Brodeur?”

    “Kings poised to become next NHL dynasty”

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    • commandant says:

      A 6 vs 8 seed… nothing says Parity quite like the results this year. Plus, we’ve had how many Overtimes this year? Seems like its every other game.

      We actually did a 3 part series on how its happening in all sports, and then a point counterpoint on whether its a good thing.

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      • TomNickle says:

        New Jersey getting to the Finals is just a product of the Eastern Conference in my opinion. As long as the Flyers and Penguins don’t have excellent goaltending they’re vulnerable. The Rangers and Bruins are probably the only two teams in the East who are head and shoulders above everybody else from top to bottom in terms of talent.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          Boston will be interesting next season, first Rask now has the Bruins over a barrel for contract negotiations with Thomas semi-retiring, but he is also coming off knee surgery and this will be the first time that he is indeed the #1 goalie with no veteran around to usurp the role.

          Do you think they are going to resign Pouliot?

          • TomNickle says:

            Hard to say. Chris Kelly would be my first priority if I were Peter Chiarelli.

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    • Captain aHab says:

      I was watching the Reporters this weekend and one guy nailed it: there is simply no compelling story in this series…it is 100% boring. So small stuff will get blown way out of proportions to fill the void.

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      • TomNickle says:

        Darryl Sutter’s emergence as an elite coach again after being away from that part of the game for a long time is a great story in my opinion. Too bad he has the personality of a wet cardboard box.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The on-ice product is so dull all that’s left is hype.

      It’s become like football without the forward pass.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    At the risk of sounding negative, why does everyone think Bergevin is “doing a great job”?

    Not that he’s doing badly, but so far all he’s done is kinda fired Cunneyworth but not really and hired two cronies: one of whom has had 9 jobs in the last 12 years and the other who managed to be less astute than PJ Stock when he was on HNIC.

    Having as upper management a trio of ex NHL journeymen excites you? Why?


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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Seems to me he is identifying areas where Mgmt. can improve the organization. Adding the position which he filled with Scott Mellanby is an area of development of our players which has sorely been lacking. Add to that the fact the choice of Mellanby specifically has very good character and experience makes this move a postitive one. Bringing in Dudley widely viewed as one of the lead scouts around along with the experience he has appears to be a very good move, and perhaps most importantly shows that his mgmt team will together and not be a group led and run by one individual only. He has shown delegation and leadership.

      I am sure part of the praise is due to the fact that the team needed change and his changes appear to be positive. No doubt we are in a honeymoon period, but rather than questioning his doing a good job many here have embraced this change.

      Your comparison of Mellanby to PJ Stock I think is unfair, and on top of that did you think MB hired him to run the teams play by play booth?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Because he’s NOT PG? :)

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    • TomNickle says:

      He’s always working. On his way to Toronto for the draft combine he stops in and sees Don Meehan who represents around a third of the roster.

      He’s surrounding himself with hockey people, journeymen or otherwise. Pierre Gauthier wouldn’t even look to a mirror for advice from an outside source.

      The thing I find interesting that could be critical moving forward is the relationship these men have. I read a very interesting piece about the Green Bay Packers under Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson. Almost every member of those regimes were close friends with strong personal ties before coming together in management or talent evaluation roles. However, apparently they disagreed very heatedly quite often and some felt that was a big reason why they were successful. Until they came to near unanimous conclusions about players, transactions and decisions on direction, moves weren’t made.

      Hopefully there’s healthy disagreement within this group.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      @HF72, Do you think MB has done a less than acceptable job so far?

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Rangers apparantly interested in Radulov, really can’t see Torterella and Radulov getting along.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=397511

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Be great for us non Ranger NYers to watch playout.

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    • TommyB says:

      Sure, but you’re assuming Tortorella is still there next year. He’s getting past his shelf-life once again, until he gets re-cycled again.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Good point Tommy, the fact that Torts was calling out Gaborik while the guy was playing through a torn Labrum leaves one to wonder how that plays out with the rest of the room.

  30. commandant says:

    Anyone seen that show “Preppers”. I think we’ll be seeing Tim Thomas on that show soon based on his facebook last night.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      http://watchseries.eu/serie/doomsday_preppers

      watchseries.eu has to be one of the bestest sites ever. Of dubious legality, but we’ll let the lawyers trash this one out.

      Am I ever glad I invented the internet.

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      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …watched the National Geographic ‘Bullets…’ …far out paranoid wing-nutz …but the LA urban botanist foreboding the Big One in California was half-way reasonable

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    Lots of passion today, which can be good, but a lot of it seems overboard. People are expression anger and frustration already, before a decision is made, at the mere thought of a candidate other than their favourite possibly being chosen.

    I’ve posted consistently about wanting Patrick Roy as the head coach of the Canadiens, and tried to present the positives he would bring to the team, and how to contend with some of the weaknesses in his resume.

    Unfortunately, a lot of the posts regarding the coaching choice tend to be very negative, like political attack ads. Marc Crawford is a borderline criminal, Michel Thérrien is a goon who can’t coach, Bob Hartley was going to blow a fuse and cause a riot every time his team lost.

    Rumours are taken as gospel, and we flip our lid when they’re shown to be unfounded. The Hockey Writers, a website-blog tries to scoop everyone with a hasty post that Bob Hartley was about to be named the next head coach of the Canadiens. One by one, like dominoes, reputable news outlets give in and trumpet this, being careful to credit the source so as to be able to absolve themselves of blame if this is eventually discredited. Even Sports Illustrated falls for it.

    We’re outraged that The Hockey Writers pulled this stunt, yet when RDS commenter Gaston Thérrien explains his opinion that Patrick Roy must be out of the running due to his various interpretations of the absolute lack of news emanating from the Canadiens on this, it’s again treated as if inscribed on stone tablets handed down at a burning bush.

    Yet when a solid article explains how Patrick Roy is a good coach, well-liked by his players, a coach who was demanding but supportive of his players and who could adjust in game to various systems and situations, a true and passionate ‘winner’, citing three of his current players on the Remparts, with names and quotes, this is skipped over and no discussion ensues.

    It’s a little tough to have this discussion when we talk at cross purposes with each other like this, where we point to every other candidate’s warts and act as if the hiring of anyone else but our favourite in this horse race should be the subject of a public inquiry, or at least a good flogging.

    Can we agree that whoever is hired by the Canadiens will have been thoroughly vetted by the brain trust now in place, references will have been checked, backroom channels will have been tapped to find the dirt on every one of these gentlemen, and that the last man standing will be the best possible choice in these circumstances? And can we give this poor sap a moment of grace and the benefit of a couple doubts in his first year or so?

    ———————————
    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …nope ! …if it ain’t Roy, Normand …no grace nor benefit of doubts
      …sorry, mon ami :)

    • Bill says:

      I can agree with all of that. The only candidate I’m really against at this point is Therrien, who didn’t impress in his first outing with the Habs and who couldn’t get to the Promised Land with a super-stacked team.

      I was against Roy, but looking at who is left, I have no doubt they could do worse.

      One thing I want to see gone is the coaching carousel. Whomever the Habs hire, he’ll be well-qualified and competent, I am sure. He’ll also be Bergevin’s guy. There’s no good reason to fire a coach every couple of years, and plenty of good reasons not to. I’d like to see a stable regime, with Bergevin in place for a decade, and a coach for a good five years.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Marc10 says:

        I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. There aren’t many experienced candidates left.

        I like Roy, but I have the feeling he’ll be seen as too inexperienced to get the job

        Between Crawford, Therrien and Hartley (when he was still available), I prefer Therrien.

        He wasn’t all that great in his first year with the Habs, but I thought he did reasonably well with the Pens. He wore out his welcome (as any demanding coach does) and they won with Bylsma, but I don’t think he did too badly bringing them up into the team they are today. In the year they made it to the final with him, Detroit was the better team and deserved to win. He missed his chance the next year, but I don’t feel that’s necessarily something we need to worry about. Our window is in three years.

        Now if you want to talk about someone not winning with stacked lineups… well that’s Crawford.

    • Clay says:

      To sum up your post:
      “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled” — Mark Twain

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I like the quote. Nice.

        ———————————
        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        What am I bid for a used windmill, a tattered copy of An Inconvenient Truth and an Obama bumper sticker? :D

    • Cal says:

      There’s relatively little discussion because your posts are novel length. Get what you need said using less words and you’ll have people actually reading your posts instead of skimming.

      • Clay says:

        I read them because he has something intelligent to say. You are apparently – judging from your comment – suffering from the same malady of much of society; you need your information in short, easy to digest 10-second sound bytes. No attention span.
        IMO, this is a huge problem in North America. It’s why we let things like Harper and Bush happen…

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        • JohnBellyful says:

          tl;dr :)

        • Cal says:

          Not at all. I read novels, but don’t expect comments to be longer than a short paragraph. If you can’t get a simple point across that quickly, you’re wasting words and a lot of time.

          • JohnBellyful says:

            The only time that people who write longer pieces — myself included — waste is their own in composing them. And we don’t think of it as being wasted. As for words, well, you know what happens when you get things for free. It’s like a buffet with no charge. Sometimes you take a few more nouns than you should have, and you find adverbs you never see at home, so you decide to make the most of the opportunity.
            Hmmm, this is longer than I intended …
            Maybe I should have gone with: Oh well!

    • gmur says:

      I thought this was the place to express opinions and comments about the Montreal Canadiens. I didn’t think it was the place for objective observations and platitudes about the hiring process for NHL coaches.

      In Hartley, I think the Canadiens missed out on a coach that has won at many levels and would have brought all the qualities that many Habs fans are looking for… plus he’s never coached here. After the house-cleaning that has taken place from the top down, and the veteran hockey administrators that have been put in place, how can the most public figure for the Canadiens be someone who has already been fired by the Habs (Carbonneau, Therrien) or someone who has yet to coach a game in the NHL (Roy)? Apparently, the last option is Crawford. His work as an analyst is less than stellar, in my opinion. He seems to come up with vague, self-evident generalizations about games and players that are more irritating than informative (Quick has been the best goalie in the playoffs, eh?). If he is hired, I can only hope that his coaching skills outweigh his ability to synthesize and communicate information for listeners… though I’d wager that’s an important skill set for an NHL coach.

  32. Adidess says:

    @HFS72

    Cool to know you’re watching. Late stage of NBA playoffs definitely more compelling than NHL, I have to say. Spurs-Thunder, Mia-Bos are great match-ups

  33. HabFanSince72 says:

    Celtics choking big time against Miami. Up 18 at one point. Now only up 5.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  34. 24 Cups says:

    Comment 666 – the sign of the devil.

    • Bill says:

      Comment of the Beast

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I always need to retort these references with a comment about My Dog Popper’s seminal album “668: The Neighbour of The Beast”, with its classic cover of a pizza deliveryman ringing the doorbell at door number 668, but looking over worriedly at the smoke and eerie red light emanating from the crack below the door of number 666.

        http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2124C80332173DB4

        Also like to tell the tale of how my friend Shafqat hated my guts for a while after I casually mentioned to his mom that their phone number contained the numbers 666, and that to some people, …. She had a conniption and called the phone company right away and had her number changed and he had to go around and get everyone to update their address books. For you young ones, this was a big deal and kind of a hassle, until I invented the internet.

        ———————————
        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • Bill says:

          I’ve looked everywhere online for an image of the album cover, to no avail … do you have a link??

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            My Dog Popper was a huge band for me, but they’ve kind of disappeared, you can’t find much on them, same as with The Nils, Three O’Clock Train or The Sons of Freedom. I should have invented the internet sooner, like, in the eighties.

            ———————————
            In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • ZepFan2 says:

            I found it

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            “Bring it on home, Bring it on home to you…” – Plant/Page

            Bring it on Home

  35. Gumper Knows Best says:

    I’d like to ask 1 more question of the learned HIO posters.

    I have followed the coaching question here-TSN… but also on RDS-Journal de Montreal/Quebec-La Presse- TVA-Radio Canada and what repeats itself is continued lack of respect or anglophobia bordering on, and sometimes crossing the line into bigotry.

    Not once have I ever read that there should be a respect of English speaking Habs fan either inside/outside Quebec-or in the rest of Canada or the United States or around the world.

    No, people like Bertrand Raymond spew their junk and garbage such as a REAL francophone Habs coach will be able to better express his emotions to the media 20 minutes after a game than a bilingual anglophone. So no appeal-just a francophone coach, or war.

    While many may deem this complete garbage, a good number follow this monkey and others of his ilk that grace RDS or Talk Radio at 98.5 FM formerly CKAC. Just read the blogs and comments there!

    Apart from that, there is never any blow back by the frightened Quebec anglo media or anyone else. We continue to take it as we have for the last 40 years as our rights have been trampled without a whimper due to political correctness and weakness of spirit.

    Why do these people get away with this crap? Why doesn’t any in the anglo media challenge them? To keep the peace? What peace? What are you so bloody afraid of?

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I admittedly do not read the French media, except My occasional visits to RDS …but wouldn’t You say that Bertrand et ilk are the minority ?
      …why be concerned by minority opinions ?
      …sorta like writing off the United States because of Rush Limbaugh

      • boing007 says:

        Rush has quite a large minority. In the millions, all across the country. Bertrand Raymond probably has thousands, but mostly in Quebec. But a significant number all the same. I’ve been yelled at for speaking English on the streets of Montreal. Not cool.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …a ‘minority’ is still a minority
          …I left Quebec for the reasons that concern You …yet, I separate (excuse the pun) that from My Habs, as much as possible

          • JohnBellyful says:

            A 49 per cent minority, for example, is still a minority but a segment that carries a lot of weight.

  36. frontenac1 says:

    Teabag Timmy is a racist. Nuff said.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      To disagree with Tim Thomas as it relates to his views on Politics, Faith and Lifestyle is one thing, to call him out as a racist I feel is completely over the top. I understand he snubbed Obama, but I am not convinced this was based on race as opposed to his clear politial leanings which are polar opposite from the current Democratic Party. I don’t say this to justify his actions, but accusing people of being racist is a very very strong accusation and I think is a topic which should be handled with proper facts to back it up.

    • jols101 says:

      Timmy “The Tea Bag” Thomas has 3 kids all their names start with K.
      As in KKK- Coincidence, I don’t think so…a lot of those crazy far right types are racist. They long for the good ole days…

  37. boing007 says:

    Report this comment!
    This guy suggested:

    habitant5
    2 days ago

    Habs and Oilers would make great trading partners, as Montreal has an abundance of good defensemen as well as defensive prospects, while the Oilers have young fowards Montreal really lacks, thanks to poor drafting for the last decade.

    Let’s make a deal!

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  38. AceMagnum says:

    Fire Therrien!!!

  39. Dr.Rex says:

    Does anyone know if Mike Babcock has been taking the same french class as Crawford? Or FElipe ALou?

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …Babcock would be the only option out there to make Me change My mind about Roy

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Question for you, Are you at all concerned that Patrick could potentially have his way with the media, and essentially be given a blank cheque while MB would take all the heat if indeed the situation does not work out well?

        I really do adore, appreciate and love Patrick Roy for the years he gave us and the Cups he helped win us. Having said that, I can’t help but feel many media feel the exact same way. I really would enjoy it if indeed Patrick could be a great coach for the Habs, but I can’t get over my concern that he would have his way with the media, the public etc….

        • D Mex says:

          Not sure if you’re suggesting this ‘ blank cheque ‘ would come from team ownership but, if yes, it seems like a highly improbable scenario to me.

          It’s one thing for Marc Bergevin to select and set parameters for his coach, whether Roy or someone else ; it’s something entirely different to have it forced on him.

          Molson thinks far too much of Bergevin to even contemplate the latter situation IMO.

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

          • HabinBurlington says:

            No as it relates to media and fans, I think we all know they can have tremendous influence.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …I think that is a red herring Gerald in all seriousness
          …yes, if Patrick is a good and successful Coach, He definitely will have all of Us eating out of His hands …including, foremost, the wretched media
          …Patrick will be ‘box-office’ …and Marc Bergevin appears to Me to have a strong self-identity to not be intimidated by it
          …if Patrick bombs ? …same, I believe Marc Bergevin has the grit to deal with it professionally

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Okay, thanks appreciate response. I am not trying to stir pot, was genuine question.

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …He would take a lot of heat off the Players as well Gerald

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      Alou was like Chretien-NOBODY understood them in either official language

      • Dr.Rex says:

        I remember when the spos were 7 games up on the braves in 1994 and Alou commented in his post game gathering “we win nice”.

        IT was all that needed to be said.

  40. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Whom do the Toronto Maple Leafs believe will be the best player available when they draft 5th overall? Which player is receiving more hype and better reviews than even the consensus/obvious #1 overall pick? Who’s the next Nazem Kadri?

    The answer to all of these question is the same answer!

    “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
    – Sean Bonjovi

    • HabinBurlington says:

      We could just ask Rick Dudley and make sure no one knows we asked him ;-)

    • Bill says:

      They’ll get a good player.

      I think McKeen’s has it nailed: it goes Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Murray. I think Toronto drafts Dumba, or possibly Grigorenko.

      Habs should find a way to trade up and get Galchenyuk, he looks legit.

      But if they can’t, and I’m them, I take Grigorenko, not Forsberg. His stock has fallen mainly because of mono, IMO.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    I do not want us to trade away our 3rd pick overall. Regardless of the offer, I say this because no one is going to offer Malkin to us for this pick. I want us to enjoy the fruits of our labour (the season that sucked) and actually have a future all star on our roster whose contract and term we control for a number of years. To trade for another player whose caphit is egregious just means we have many more years of crappy 3rd and 4th line players. We NEED to have young stars with lower caphits in order to build a complete team.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I don’t know what a ‘caphits’ is, but I agree
      …until it happens though (Galchenyuk), I’ll be sweatin’
      …I can’t see Columbus being moronic enough to pass-up Gally, and that Burke feller pulled-off getting the Sedins 1 & 2 for the Canucks way back when
      …the only exceptional thing Burke has pulled-off, but has milked into NHL lore
      …would commit harakiri if Burke finessed Gally from Our Habs :(

      • HabinBurlington says:

        My point is simply that we have to balance our roster with young talent and veteran talent. To trade the pick for a veteran means we are back to having an imbalanced roster where all the money is tied up in 4-5 players. When Chicago won the cup they have Toews and Kane still in 2nd contracts with minimal caphits. We are already committed to Gionta, Plex, Markov, Gorges, Bourque, Cole, and soon Price and Subban. We need some cheap help in the next few years.

        My hope as it relates to Columbus is that they fear drafting a player with a Russian styled name after Filatov and Zherdev. I would be happy to flip a 2nd round pick and something in order to secure 2nd pick.

        Total agreement on harakiri if Burke gets Galchenyuk.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …this may be the reason Burke went into conniptions over Dudley
          …hope Dudley crossed His fingers when He ‘swore’ not to have any input until after the draft :)

      • dhenry1234 says:

        Shallow and pedantic.

    • Propwash says:

      It’s kind of a grey area whether or not a no. 3 pick will work out to be an all-star. Once the pick is made, I really hope he will get developed properly and not rushed up.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        More often than not the 3rd pick does become a very valuable player I want us to have that opportunity. To develop ones own all star is so much more advantageous than having to trade for one.

  42. TomNickle says:

    If the team is looking for a guaranteed upgrade on Jacques Martin, Marc Crawford is the only available candidate who makes that cut.

    If the team is looking to build something special and sustaining, hiring a young coach and surrounding that coach with the proper mentors is the way to go in my opinion.

    **********************************************
    Our GM doesn’t need to leave his tie undone to create the impression that he’s working hard!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Tom, I think I can see myself accepting and appreciating Crawford as coach. I know you have defended with some good facts and figures etc.. over the past few weeks. Having said that, being realistic, what do you think is the worst case scenario with Crawford as it relates to the lawsuit filed by Moore and what ramnifications would this have on the Habs?

      • Despite the recent article on some blog bringing up Moore’s lawsuit, no one should be concerned. If it was going to prove a distraction, Bergevin wouldn’t be considering Crawford as a candidate.

        I feel for Moore, and despise Bertuzzi, and I have stated in the past that the NHL handled his suspension wrong, but two facts remain constant: Crawford is involved in the case peripherally and Moore’s injuries were ultimately caused by more than one player falling on him. Lost in all this, is that at one time, Bertuzzi had a case against Crawford that was either dropped or dismissed in court.

        I know this is still a passionate subject for many, and understandibly. Not trying to stoke any fires here – just some facts.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      Who is the young coach? The one that could support the RDS and friends pressure? What young coach can do the 43,218 media people after every practise and game?

  43. HabinBurlington says:

    So we don’t really know how close or not Hartley was to being Habs coach, yet many media members were quoting and requoting sources saying Hartley was the coach. Turns out they were completely 100% Wrong, because indeed Hartley is not the coach of Habs. So how correct are they now when they give us these reports of Crawford or Therrien, Roy out of picture.

    So how many of RDS, Gazette and TSN media are tight with Mellanby, Dudley and Bergevin? Okay perhaps they know Dudley fairly well, but really how much of a relationship do any of these media really have with Bergevin?

    Part of me wonders if the media aren’t just some new Internet based company spitballing the usual names acting like they have a fricking clue. Oh I am sure Montreal have talked to these individuals, but how many other individuals does MB continue to talk to that they have no idea about?

    I find it interesting when a few days ago, reports of interviews with the Tampa assistants was reported, yet no report that they were then out of the running.

    I don’t know, kind of fed up with the speculation. Just draft Galchenyuk, worst case let MB or Dudley run the bench for a year and next year we find our Yoda to coach the team.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      You nailed it!

    • The report involving the Tampa assistants was false. Team 990’s Tony Marinaro is a personal friend of Martin Raymond, and he was told Canadiens never called asking for permission to speak to him.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Really? Thanks for that information Robert. However, this again speaks to how so many of these reports we read are speculative at best it seems.

        • Marinaro is not a guy I would usually call a 100% source on all things Canadiens, but this is indeed what he said during his “Montreal Forum” show this past Thursday. And yeah, you really have to watch where news eminates from in this day and age. Only in the past few weeks I’ve seen the media actually quote from the Fourth Period.com and the Hockey Writers.com.

  44. frontenac1 says:

    I have been saying for a few weeks now,Beware of Dark Horses. Could it be Raymond,Groulx or someone else? Sometimes the obvious is obviously wrong.MB might just surprise us all.We live in interesting times,enjoy the ride amigos!

  45. JF says:

    In fairness to Michel Therrien, he got a mediocre Habs team without Saku Koivu to 7th place in 2002, then coached that team to an upset of the Bruins. The Habs were poised to take out the Canes and go to the Conference Final when Therrien blew a fuse behind the bench, and everything came unravelled. Hab fans dwell on that and continue to blame him for it instead of contrasting his passion, his defence of his players, with Jacques Martin’s expressionless demeanour. In 2008 Therrien took the Penguins to the Cup Final; although he had the team floundering badly at the mid-point of the next season, when he was fired. I’m not saying I’m in favour of the Habs hiring Therrien,just that he’s probably a better coach than most here give him credit for.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I don’t think most are saying Therrien’s abilities as ‘a coach’ are that egregious JF …speaking for Myself, I prefer not a recycled average coach

      …I am looking for new-blood with potential to be an exceptional Coach …including ‘ a persona’ that matches what I hope Our Team will become

      …IMO, Therrien has not that persona, nor do I think he has the potential to be an exceptional coach …Roy does

      …if Roy is not in Our stars ? …then, someone like whom HabInBurlington suggests as a yet unidentified ‘darkhorse’ candidate

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Beware the Darkhorse!

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …and ‘beware’ makin’ wagers You can not afford to lose :)

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I never said what my wager was, t’was you who immediately hoped I would lose my home, must say was hurt to read that. :)

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …o’ stop cryin’ …I edited it to hope You lose Your beer allowance for a week …get a grip :)

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I saw the edit Christopher, thus the smiley face I inserted. I guess I didn’t want to give up my beer money for a week either. ;-)

            Edit: Now had you said I have to give up my golf allowance, those would be fighting words!

      • JF says:

        I actually agree; I just don’t think Therrien would be the disaster some think; if Bergevin is determined to go with experience, I’d prefer him to Marc Crawford, who is stained in my eyes with the infamy of the Steve Moore incident. I like the suggestion of Martin Raymond with a couple of veteran assistants.

    • boing007 says:

      In hindsight, we should have kept Pat Burns.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  46. Gumper Knows Best says:

    Preface to the question for the learned HIO posters.

    6′ 2″-220 pounds soon to be 24 year old Jordan Staal and Sidney Crosby are UFAs next summer 2013 and Malkin the summer after. Pitt GM Ray Shero knows he can’t keep them all long term as both Crosby and Malkin will want contract length and close to the 20% max. salary allowed by the present CBA. Staal will also want serious money and length.

    Staal is a proven top 6 and had a break out regular season and playoff year, finally getting healthy.
    25 goals 50 points in 62 games
    6 goals in the playoffs, that was double the 3 goals of both Crosby and Malkin, and 9 total points in 6 playoff games best on the Pens.

    You are the Habs GM.

    Ray Shero comes knocking on your door and proposes a trade for your 3rd overall + a little extra such as a 3rd or 4th pick or a depth dman for Jordan Staal. He does that for cap relief and getting a good player while the Habs get the real deal in the big strong center we always needed that knows defence.

    Doing that we can then move Plekanec as Staal does everything he does but better.

    Do you do the trade if you can get Staal to go long as a condition?

    • steve17 says:

      I would not give the 3rd overall pick, I would give Pulashaj, Plekanec, and Weber.

      Habfan17

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        I’m not sure that would solve the Pens cap issue to come with TP at $5M cap hit for 4 more years. They need relief.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Palushaj and Weber have no value.

        So what you are proposing is Plekanec for Staal.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …nope

    • HabFab says:

      Nope, Galchenyuk should be a 30G / 70P player and Eller is developing into 20G / 40 P player.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        “Should” is the word, and another question re Eller.
        I know he’s only 23, but usually top 6 show up at that point. Maybe 2 years of turmoil and misuse didn’t help, but just last year he had 16G 28 points, but 4 of those goals and 5 of those point came in 1 game .

        He had 58 games out of the 79 he played without a single point. Does that concern you?

        • HabFab says:

          Nope, and I used him as our strong defensive center role player as Jordan performs for Pittsburgh. Galchenyuk alone has the potential to be better then Staal.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Interesting proposal. On the surface one might say yes but in this salary cap era you need these high draft pick player to perform at a lower salary for their first few years to best manage the cap. Since with the third pick you should grt a top six forward or top 4 dman I’d pass. Made me think though.

      ———————————–

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        Good point, yet if Gomez gets buried we would start the year with $27M to spend if the cap stayed the same. Even with all the RFAs to sign, I still see at least $10M left probably more.

    • JF says:

      No. This year and next, we have a chance to fill a few of the holes created by Gainey’s largesse. Habs should hang onto draft picks; they represent potential depth.

    • mrhabby says:

      Ray shero would laugh at that offer……not going to happen.

    • It’s not a crazy idea, but to my mind the 3rd overall is just too plum a prize to give up for a guy who can walk in a year — better to go after him if/when he turns UFA in 2013.

      If Yakupov and Galchenyuk go first and second though, I can see Bergevin trading down two or three spots to get a decent roster player in return and still land a nice promising prospect in the 1st round.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  47. HabFab says:

    Tiger Woods wins today and ties Nicklaus with 73 wins for second life time.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      He hit am amazing chip shot on 16 for birdie. I bet Berl hits shots like that all the time. Poor guy just needs a sponser Burl that is not Tiger. :)

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    • stevieray says:

      the birdie , flop shot that went in on the 16th was th eicing on th ecake …to bad we had to listen to Jim Nance and Sir Nick go om about it as being one of the better shots they ever say …whereas Nicklaus said it was the ” Best ” shot he ever say ! Would of liked to have heard Johhny Miller’s take on it ..who I feel is twice the announcer those to clowns are ….

  48. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ok you know what? I’m chillin here on a rainy Sunday afternoon, enjoying a few tall cold ones, among other things, watching The Empire Strikes Back, and it has just dawned on me…YODA should be the next coach of the Montreal Canadiens!

    He’s small but tough at the same time. He can speak any language in the galaxy! And damn man, I bet he’d look pretty dope behind the bench in one of them Don Cherry suits!

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Tiger wins at Nicklaus’ Memorial course, Muirfield Village …tied with Nicklaus in overall victories …now only behind Sneed

    …gee, if I only knew what Viagra could have done for My golf game :)

  50. HabFab says:

    Craig Button now thinks we go with Galchenyuk with our third pick. Don’t know whither to be happy or afraid.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=397353

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Not sure either. I’ve fliped floped more then Tim Thomas and American politicians. I’ve just placed faith in MB. I think we come away with a good player. Whether that is Galchenyuk, Murray, Nail, Forsberg or someone else he’s going to help the team in the coming years.
      That being said from what I’ve read and not having seen any of these guy play live, it sounds like Galchenyuk would fit nicely in the Habs future rosters.
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    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …that link doesn’t take Us to Button Frank :(
      …but it does include link to Button’s Mock Draft showin’ Grigorenko as # 3 for Habs, and Galchenyuk # 5 for da Weeds
      …which is hilarious :)

  51. commandant says:

    Parity is happening, not just in hockey but across all professional sports.

    The 5 year rebuild? No longer necessary.

    The being top of the conference in order to contend for the cup? No longer a necessity.

    Free agency and the salary cap have changed things.

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  52. frontenac1 says:

    Always said that Cunney is a keeper! How about Cunney and Big Bird as assistants and take your pick for Head Coach?

  53. HardHabits says:

    I have mentioned on numerous occasions in the past how history has shown that since the conference format was introduced every team that won the Cup was top five except three that were top ten.

    It looks like this season a team that finished 13th over-all will go home with the hardware. An exception. Possibly a precedent. Only time will tell.

    The Kings finished the season under Sutter with a 25-13-11 record, which when calculated with the skewered extra point for the OTL translates into a .622 win percentage. Over the course of a season that translates to around 102 points, good enough for 7th over-all. Suffice it to say that they finished the season on a high note.

    It is better to finish 8th in the Conference after having been 13th at the ASG break rather than finish 8th after having been 4th.

    • HabFab says:

      Was thinking of exactly the same thing but then we have the 13th place team meeting the 8th seed so an unique season for sure. Guess it shows that Darryl needs to stick to coaching and forget managing ;)

  54. Carta-Hab says:

    I think Galchenyuk is the type of player the Habs have needed in a very long time.

    He is a big bodied, young, elite, number one center which the Habs should take every reasonable measure to acquire.

    I honestly think that Nail and Alex represent the pinnacle of this years draft class, and that after they are snatched up, the pickings start to look a lot slimmer.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that Montreal holds the 3rd overall draft pick. Everyone on this site knows how often an opportunity like this has come around for this team. They need to hit a home run with this pick.

    I, like others, worry that Galchenyuk will be gone by the time the the Habs get their shot. That being said, I pose this question to you:

    Do you think the Habs would be able to flip picks with Columbus, and if so, what would it take to get this deal done?

    I think Montreal has a lot of attractive assets which could make this deal happen without destroying what future this team has waiting in the wings.

    In fact, I have thought about this a lot today, and wanted to throw this deal out there:

    Montreal’s 3rd overall pick, one of their 2nd round picks in this years draft, and David Deharnais for the 2nd overall pick that Columbus currently holds.

    Now, I am a big fan of DD. He is a terrific play maker and the results this past year speak for themselves. However, we all know his limitations. We also know the Tomas Plekanec, who is currently signed long term, has been in limbo in terms of linemates every since DD has begun his ascension. By trading him, Plekanec automatically becomes their #1 center, and by virtue, gets two quality wingers to play with (Pacorietty and Cole). It also means that Lars Eller get promoted to second line center, which also gives him more opportunity to grow as a player. The other benefit of this is that there will be a vacancy for the third line center position. Up to this point, Louis Leblanc has been bounced around time as a center and on the wing. He will now have the opportunity to play his natural position.

    I think that Galchenyuk, given his injury, should be given a year in the AHL to get back into form. He will also play on what should be a STACKED Hamilton team, which should have a legitimate shot at the Calder Cup.

    Anyone else want to throw in their 2 cents on flipping the pick, and how to get it done?

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    • jmsheehy19 says:

      DD and a 2nd seems like an overpayment to move up one spot, but like you I’m worried CLB will take him with their pick. I feel we got screwed by the lottery as much as they did as I think they would have picked Yakupov first and EDM would have been more open to selecting Murray 2nd.

      As others have stated, Grigorenko or Forsberg will be a nice consolation prize, but I really want Galchenyuk.

      Our first along with our 2nd/ or Kristo/ or Holland/ or Bennet would be my offer, but only if Timmins really thinks Galchenyuk is that much better than the other forwards we’d get instead.

      • Carta-Hab says:

        I have a feeling that Galchenyuk is going to be an absolute monster along the same lines of Malkin, if not better. I also think that the ceiling for Forsberg is much, much lower than Galchenyuk.

        As for Grigorenko…I don’t know. I have to admit, I am in no position to say he will turn into a dud, but a I have a bad feeling about him long term.

        At the end of the day, I just think that Galchenyuk is a player that Montreal MUST acquire. Given this is a fresh start to the franchise, what better way to get off on the right foot by acquiring the mythical franchise center.

        Mike Milbury, Don Cherry, and PJ Stock….The three stooges of HNIC.

        Mike Milbury, Don Cherry, and PJ Stock….The three stooges of HNIC.

  55. FanCritic says:

    Therrien is a bad as Ron Wilson. would you want Ron Wilson for a coach…

  56. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=397511 ; TSN ‘Rangers Contact Predators About Acquiring Radulov’

    …Radulov & Torterella ? …hmmm

    …if Radulov prefers the NHL to the KHL and has learned a lesson from his screw-up in Nashville, he will be in-demand by more than a few teams

    …before his screw-up, I was looking forward to possibility of he and Parise as UFA signings this summer

    …the hypothesis of Roy as HC and Radulov may make it make sense for Us

    …I am sure Columbus can not be so stupid to overlook Galchenyuk …it’s likely the Oilers will take Yakupov, though I think Dumba or Murray makes more sense for them …that sets a table for possible Grigorenko reunion with Roy as well

    …top 2 lines of Pleks between Radulov and Grigorenko (start-off Grigorenko as a winger)

    …DD between Patches & Cole ?

    …or, an ‘outside chance’ of adding Parise ?

    …Pleks between Parise & Radulov
    …DD between Patches & Cole
    …Grigorenko between Eller & Gionta ?

    …ain’t summers the time to dream ? :)

  57. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Can we at least all agree that no matter whom the Leafs pick at number five Brian Burke will claim he’d have picked him at #1 and Darren Dreger will immediately proclaim that player the best prospect in the draft.

    P.S. …and then begin presenting trade scenarios involving this prospect in exchange for John Tavares + defencemen and prospects and other draft picks.

    “I’m not opposed to trading Plekanec and/or Markov”
    – Sean Bonjovi

    • HabFab says:

      Both Dreger and Buttons are projecting the Laffs to pick Galchenyuk, typical TSN homers!

    • H.Upmann says:

      went on to a Blue Jackets forum to get a feel of what the fans are hoping for… apparently Ryan Murray felt he was grilled with harder questions by the Columbus than the other teams. Lots of fan banter about EDM and the Jackets swapping picks etc… seems like their fans are into Galchenyuk and Forsberg as well.

  58. HabFab says:

    @stubbs….FUNNY!!

    Timmy Thomas singing….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrCMIG53XQ
    this song especially!

  59. habstrinifan says:

    You think you are having trouble dealing with all these ‘not so ideal’ scenarios. I just returned home from family wedding, read the all but confirmation of Therien, and left my one and only serviceable suit on the hood of my car… where it got rained on.

    This this is gonna drive me nuts.

  60. HardHabits says:

    Isn’t hockey amazing? Wow!!! Hockey is good. Really, really good. Go hockey!!!

  61. KLear says:

    The irony of all this is Cunneyworth is the most tenable of the coaching candidates. He doesn’t have the negative history of neither Carbo nor Mike, and no baggage like Crawford. He’s no nonsense, wants the game played hard, and suffers no fools.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Cunney is a good coach and did well in hamilton but as the HC in Montreal he didn’t fair so well.

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      • LizardKing12 says:

        Agreed he didn’t do very well as head coach in Montreal but I don’t think it’s indicative of his coaching abilities. To some extent I think his hands were tied by Gauthier and he couldn’t run the team the way he wanted to. Also that whole fiasco with the french media and PG and Molson basically making it very clear that he would not be the coach next year means he probably didn’t have all that much pull in the room. It’s hard to run things your way when everyone knows you’re as good as fired already.

        I think Cunny will eventually get a head coaching job in the NHL and he might end up being quite good at it. Wherever he ends up I wish him well, coaching the habs this season was not an easy feat and he showed a lot of poise and class.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        He was a lackey, pure and simple.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  62. HabFab says:

    Yakupov and Murray both to Edmonton this week for more interviews.

    IMHO from what I have read and heard, we are focused on either Galchenyuk or Forsberg.

  63. frontenac1 says:

    Understood. Hola!

  64. frontenac1 says:

    Habfan, be carefull with polls. Last night on AC,they polled their viewers and 86%wanted Therrien, 14% wanted Crawford. As John Diefenbaker once said”Polls are for dogs to piss on”

  65. frontenac1 says:

    I’d be willing to have a look at both Raymond and Groulx! New blood my friends!

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I had to take a ‘double-take’ the other day listening to Edmonton’s GM Tambellini on TSN noting ‘We had to WORK very hard for this’ …referring to their top first round draft-choice

    …as if that was their goal to start last season

    …I must say, ‘working’ to have a top-3 to 5 selection in the draft is very intoxicating and tempting, as per Our own salivating indicates this post-season

    …tempting enough to bury Gomez and Kaberle in the minors ?, sign zero over-priced UFAs ? …play Our Kids and prospects come what may only to give them invaluable ice-time and experience ? …a ‘No Winnin’ For MacKinnin’ mantra for 2012/13 ?

    …knowing, after the sacrifice, We will be ‘loaded’ for the next decade ?

    …could You look Yourselves in the mirror ? …as Tambellini obviously has no problem doing ?

  67. HabFab says:

    See that Crawford has taken the lead and Therrien has gone from 3% to 5% in the poll. Some fans are obviously trying to get their ducks in a row.

  68. twilighthours says:

    Loving the Tim Thomas story. What a maroon!

  69. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    Does anyone know anything about the rumors of Columbus wanting to draft Forsberg??

    It might be our only hope

  70. 24 Cups says:

    Thanks to whomever posted the McKeen draft rankings.

    We only need one team to pick Forsberg or Murray and we’re good to go.

    Assuming of course that Timmins/Dudley see it the same way as most HI/O fans.

  71. steve17 says:

    Why not hire one of Tampa’s assistant coaches as the head coach, then hire Lemaire as an assistant/mentor for the first season and add Robinson as the other assistant. Then which ever one they hire will have the wealth of knowledge that Lemaire and Robinson would bring and the Habs would have a new bilingual coach who is not Therrien!!

    Habfan17

    • JF says:

      Jacques Lemaire refused to return to the Devils last season, and Larry Robinson has said he’s not interested in Montreal. He may have said that simply because Jersey’s season isn’t over, but I’m a bit mystified as to why he would want to rejoin the Habs. They snubbed him over his jersey retirement, delaying until it was too late for his father to enjoy it, and they insulted him a couple of years ago by not returning his telephone calls.

      That said, I think I’d rather Bergevin chose an inexperienced coach with veteran assistants than simply recycled someone. In fact, considering how apparently exhaustive the GM search was, it’s surprising that only the very obvious candidates have been considered for coach. I’ll be disappointed if the media, who were dead wrong about Hartley, are right this time and Bergevin does not go beyond the obvious.

      • steve17 says:

        I heard 2 weeks ago that Robinson did say he would listen to the Habs if they called but only for the assistant coach position.

        Habfan17

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Big Bird misses his polo ponies.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • boing007 says:

          There are plenty of places to play Polo in and around New Jersey.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • steve17 says:

        Maybe as a mentor/assistant to Raymond for one year, Lemaire would say yes! We can hope. I am with you, a fresh rookie NHL coach would probably be better than a recycled NHL coah, especially if that coach has ties to juniors, had been successful, and is an ex NHL player.

        Habfan17

    • ed lopaz says:

      Martin Raymond could be a great choice

      14 years of University hockey as head coach, 2 years assistant in Tampa.

  72. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I see McKeen’s have goalies Andrei Vasilevsky i & Malcolm Subban at 23 & 24 for the draft

    …IMO, I think both will not last that long considering some teams needs for an elite goaltender, like Toronto and Tampa for example …but, if either serendipitously falls to Our position in the second-round, I would grab one of the 2 …PK’s brother especially

    …at some point, We will need ‘insurance’ for Carey …and presently have zero options in Our system

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  73. commandant says:

    One good season does not a good coach make. The Flyers fell apart under Stevens after that 08 season and Laviolette had to come in to rescue the team.

    Ask Flyer fans what they think of John Stevens, and the comments aren’t pretty.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      You do realize that using fans opinions to rate a coach is pretty much a mixed bag. Take this forum of Habs fans and see about the agreement on most Hab coaches. Some will support some will not.

      To say John Stevens was terrible is an overstatement. However, he indeed was eventually fired. Laviolette rescuing them resulted in 1 further round victory than what Stevens had accomplished, not sure that is huge accomplishment. As I recall that was the victory against our own Habs who were completely outsized and out of gas as they prepared for the Flyers, not sure it was tactical coaching that made them so much better.

      I am not a big John Stevens fan, but his overall coaching record over his career is pretty good.

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5176

      • ed lopaz says:

        I met John Stevens while he was coaching the Flyers.

        My son and his son were at the same summer hockey camp.

        Stevens seemed like a decent guy to me.


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