Liveblog: Kings win 4-3 in OT, advance to Cup final


Dustin Penner ends a great game a little over 17 minutes into OT.
Los Angeles advances to the Stanley Cup final for the first time since 1993.
The series will begin May 30.
Phoenix battled to the end, but the Kings are unbeaten on the road, 8-0 in these playoffs.

A capacity crowd in Glendale were treated to a dandy in the desert.

The game had 92 shots on goal, 98 hits, temper tantrums in OT and a less-than-warm handshake line.

And let’s hope some of that wide-open style carries over to the final.


  1. 24moreCups says:

    I haven’t really watched these rounds of the playoffs like I did for the first round so I was wondering how Kyle Chipchura has been playing?

  2. shootdapuck says:

    Galley says no team has managed a two goal lead in this series?

    Come on!

    Last game was 2-0!

  3. HardHabits says:

    I like the contrast between the Phoenix and LA fans. Phoenix has Mrs. Humongous Cleavage representing and LA has Mr. Fatty Phat the Gangbangster.

  4. EricInStL says:

    That LA jersey is one ugly jersey…..

    Loved those gold and purple ones.

  5. shootdapuck says:

    Are those the most famous Tata’s in the Southwest?

  6. H.Upmann says:

    Um….. Can we keep a side cam on Tippett?

    • EricInStL says:

      There was a time (maybe a couple of games) where a local strip club had 2 tickets near the bell center penalty box and had 2 of their finest get lots of ”face” time. After a while it stopped, wonder why….

  7. kempie says:

    Yotes trying to be too cute. They need to take it to the paint and start pushing & shovelling.

    LA is getting very easy to dislike.

  8. shootdapuck says:

    Bettman has the fix in!

    That was a penalty on Hanzal!

  9. shootdapuck says:

    With that call is the fix in?

    Or what!

  10. Habilis says:

    Great game so far, setting up for a thrilling 3rd. As an aside, does anyone else here think that these nightly protest crowds would be alot smaller if the Habs were still playing? Jean Charest might want to consider blaming Pierre Gauthier in his next public address. Couldn’t hurt at this point.

  11. shootdapuck says:

    Guess what? PJ Stock loves Richards.

    What shock the cheap-shot artists stick together!

  12. ProHabs says:

    I wish George Larocque had done the job he was paid to do in Montreal.

  13. HardHabits says:

    Wow. We have ourselves a hockey game here folks.

  14. C-Sword says:

    Hate him all you want, you’d rather have Richards with the Habs than Pleks

  15. Mavid says:


  16. frontenac1 says:

    Yotes! 2-1! Aaarrrrrooooooo!

  17. shootdapuck says:

    Justin “high stick to the eyes” Williams?

  18. frontenac1 says:

    Smitty takes another one off the old bean ball.I think he likes it!

  19. shootdapuck says:

    Who could have guessed PJ Stock has a pet peeve!

    Just to go with his chipmunk on speed!

  20. frontenac1 says:

    PJ makes absolutely no sense in both official languages

  21. mrhabby says:

    Pj just zip it will ya..such a dope.

  22. commandant says:

    What we know at the Mem Cup.

    Knights will be either in the semi-final or final.
    Edmonton will go to the tiebreaker Thursday.

    If Shawinigan wins tomorrow, they go to final; Knights to semi
    If Saint John wins, Knights to final, Sea Dogs to semis
    The loser of tomorrow plays Oilkings on Thursday.

    Go Habs Go!
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  23. Mavid says:

    Boob’s caregiver…hehehe

  24. otter649 says:

    Was talking to my brother from Vancouver Island on the weekend & his friend/co-worker was in Phoenix on vacation so he got discounted tickets for game two of this series while at the game bought a 50/50 ticket & won the jackpot worth $17,000 USD not bad for a spur of the moment descion to go to the game……..

  25. shootdapuck says:

    Strange how the better Babe alerts happen in Glendale?

  26. shootdapuck says:

    Boob Cole’s caregiver Galley hasn’t realized the change in the Phoenix goal either!

  27. Mavid says:

    interesting how the conversation goes from intelligent hockey talk to HEY look at the hooters on that one….LOL

  28. Mavid says:

    great mutt and jeff….yes Gary tell us one more time that he hit the seam..

  29. mrhabby says:

    Big boobs behind yotes coach.

  30. Mavid says:

    Fairy Alert

  31. frontenac1 says:

    1-0 Yotes!! Aaaarrrrrooooooo!

  32. jols101 says:

    Wondering about our big upcoming RFA signings, Price and Subban.

    Price has already got 2 contracts under his belt and is due for a large raise. Rinne got 7 million/year, what will Price ask for/demand?

    Subban is only coming off his rookie contract but Drew Doughty set a nasty precedent by getting 7 million/year coming out of his rookie contract. Sens in the same boat with Karlson. I don’t think PK has accomplished what Doughty and Karlson have but he is close.
    What will PK ask for/demand?

    Anyone see either holding out like Doughty did in LA this year?

    • kempie says:

      Well, Price will be looking to get paid. I say he’ll end up north of $6M. There will be Rinne comparisons and some debating but I see it being between 6 & 7M. I have no problem paying him that next year but it makes me nervous to commit to paying a goalie that kind of money 8 or 10 years from now.

      PK has to compare his worth to Josh Gorges. JG is at $3.9 and played top pairing minutes last year, partnered with PKS. So there ya go.

      I’d like to see some negotiating with Pacioretty on an extension as soon as the dust has settled a bit. His price is not exactly trending down.

      • jols101 says:

        I agree with you on Price and on getting Patches an extension but i think PK and Gorges are not in the same ballpark. I think PK will sign for 4.5 to 5 million/year

    • ProHabs says:

      If I was Subban or Price, I would be sitting out. The Canadiens need this guys bad and Subban and Price know it.

    • Malreg says:

      Rinne is not comparable to Price because Rinne was a pending free-agent, which adds a lot more value to negotiations.

      If they went to arbitration(which I don’t think Price is eligible for?), Price’s camp would not even be able to use Rinne as a comparable.

      I’d be shocked if his contract went over $5.5 million. I’m expecting something like 4-6 years at $5 million a year.

      For PK, I think both camps will want to go for more of a shorter term compared to Price. Probably something like a 2 year deal, where he will still be an RFA at the end of it(like Price’s last contract). Maybe 2 years, $3.5 – $4 million a year.

      He does not have the same pedigree as Doughty and will be nowhere near Doughty salary and term wise. Doughty was a 2nd overall pick, a Norris Trophy candidate and a gold medal winner at the age of 19.

      Karlsson will come close to Doughty I believe, as he is another Norris candidate, and he completely dominated the league this season. He had 25 more points than the next closest defenseman, and was 3 points shy of a PPG season.

  33. Mr. Biter says:

    Tabernack, go to for some great eye candy of “Ice Girls” before the live blogging begins. I may have to change my Aviator. Almost forgot then click on NHL Home.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  34. HabFab says:

    Patrick Holland, this kid should have been a goaltender…how do you say flack! He cracks me up.

    PattyShwayz After a long hypothetical study took place in my imagination, I have determined that it would not be wise to live your life in third person.

  35. jols101 says:

    Anyone on Twitter figure out what Subban was Tweeting about earlier?

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Lots of great hockey conversation the past few days here. Granted traffic and posts are way down, but coherent and intelligent posts abound. Therefore, I will continue to be quiet and just read. Happy day after Victoria Day Weekend everyone.

  37. Chris says:

    The other day, I got to remembering one of my favourite demotivational posters, where the punchline is “Blogging – Never Before Have So Many with So Little to Say Said So Much to So Few.”

    There should be one for Hockey Inside/Out…has a website ever produced so many people who go off and start their own blogs? 🙂

  38. Chris says:

    Short-handed time on ice per game amongst forwards:

    Tomas Plekanec – 3:13 (2nd overall)
    Jordan Staal – 2:38 (10th)
    Anze Kopitar – 2:14 (21st)
    Mike Richards – 2:02 (30th)
    Ryan Kesler – 2:00 (32nd)
    Jonathan Toews – 1:52 (38th)
    Patrice Bergeron – 1:48 (40th)
    Adam Henrique – 1:47 (46th)
    Patrick Elias – 1:46 (48th)
    Mikko Koivu – 1:43 (51st)
    Derek Roy – 1:42 (53rd)
    Tim Connolly – 1:41 (54th)
    Saku Koivu – 1:40 (58th)

    A priority for the Montreal Canadiens if they want to return to the playoffs is to find a defensive centre that can alleviate those leg-destroying SH minutes that Tomas Plekanec is logging.

    Plekanec will turn 30 years old at the start of next season. He’s no longer a youngster that can bounce back shift after shift like he could a few years ago. The wear and tear of getting hit by shots, chasing the puck around and battling for position takes its toll, and the Habs dearly need Plekanec to return to his 60-70 point form if they have any aspirations of climbing back into the playoff picture.

    Defensive centers should be available. Jarrett Stoll will likely get offered stupid money based on his playoff performance this season, but there are other guys out there:

    Jay McClement (6’1″ and 205 pounds) was right behind Plekanec in short-handed ice time last season and is decent at faceoffs (better than 51% the past two seasons), still has some years left as a 29 year old and should be relatively cheap. Last season, he made $1.45 Million.

    Chris Kelly has long been valued as a defensive forward, but his playoff performance last year followed by a 20 goal season this year probably makes him too expensive.

    Perhaps old friend Dominic Moore could be had. He’s coming off a dismal season (4 goals, 25 points, -18 in 79 games) but he is good on faceoffs, can skate and we know what he brings to the table.

    The problem with the above names is that they are all (except for the likely expensive Stoll) left-handed shots, and the Habs well-publicized need for a right-handed centre led to acquiring duds like Nokelainen and Engqvist, so I suspect they are still on that hunt.

    Regardless, something has to be done to cut Plekanec’s SH time down to 2:00 minutes per game or less so that he has a bit more energy and can focus on his offensive game. Lars Eller was starting to pick up some of that slack later in the season, but I’m not sure that is the ideal role for him (unless his faceoff skills improve tremendously this summer).

    • Malreg says:

      It doesn’t help that we always lead the league in penalties taken.

      Even if we pick up another solid SH forward, it won’t drastically bring down Plekanec’s SH time. He’s one of the best in the league at it, and he has said before he loves doing it, so it’s hard to justify not using him as much as possible.

      An interesting stat to think about is how many more points would he have to put up in order to justify cutting one of the league’s best penalty killer’s short-handed TOI by a third?

      • Chris says:

        The number of penalties the team takes has been a big issue in recent years. Plekanec is a very good penalty killer, but that kind of play really does grind on players. Plekanec typically gets off to a good start to the season but seems to lose steam as the year goes on. Cut those hard minutes down and perhaps he will have a bit more gas in the tank in February, when the team has taken some nosedives in recent years.

  39. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    do any of you draft junkies know where Tom Wilson is projected to be taken?

    he looks SO AWESOME, I can easily see him pounding the stuffing out of Lucic in a few years……

    • 24moreCups says:

      I was reading up on him and also thought he would be great to draft if we can pick him up with our second round pick, he apparently plays like Lucic.

      From what I read though is he can go around late first round or early second, I guess we’ll see.

    • Mark C says:

      Too early.

    • jols101 says:

      Your post made me look him up and yes he looks great, the kind of player I hope our new GM will have high on his list…

      He will probably end up a Bruin and we will get some 5 “10” kid in the US development system…

    • commandant says:

      He is projected late first round by many.

      I wouldn’t touch him that high, kid can skate, but he has NO HANDS.

      I’d rather not use a late first/early 2nd on a bigger Travis Moen. You can get a scrapper with no offensive talent much later.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • 24moreCups says:

        Anyone in particular that you like for the 2nd round pick?

        • commandant says:

          If you want that type of Player, big, nasty, and offensive talent, I’d take Henrik Samuelsson. Ulf’s kid would drive the Bruins nuts too.

          Not sure if he’ll be there, but if he is, I take him at 32.

          Other guys I’d look at for a power forward, Stefan Matteau, Colton Sissons, and Nick Kerdiles in that range.

          Jarrod Maidens who I profiled the other day could be a steal if he falls to the Nashville pick, but his conscussion issue (didn’t play a single game after November) is the reason he’s falling, and is scary, but he could be worth a gamble to a team with 4 picks in the top 63.

          Go Habs Go!
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          • Mr. Biter says:

            So we have the #2 pick in the 2nd. round?

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

          • commandant says:

            New Jersey is likely to forfeit their 1st rounder (they could choose which 1st rounder to forfeit over a 4 year period for the Kovalchuk circumvention attempt).

            Since this is the lowest they will likely draft (by making the final four) it should be this year, meaning there are only 29 picks in the first round.

            The 2nd round will have 31 picks, as San Jose gets an extra pick at 55 for not signing Pat White, so we are back to 63 in the third and 93 in the fourth.

            Go Habs Go!
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  40. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah, Subban just tweeted that there is big news coming.

    I wonder if it’s REAL big news, as in something cool, or ‘real’ big news. As in something dumb.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    Hockey’s Future just changed their site layout, in the last couple of hours apparently. Looks a lot better, the prior look was a little bit dated, now that I think about it.

    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  42. jols101 says:

    When are teams allowed to make trades again? As soon as the playoffs end? Or can trades happen right now?

    • commandant says:

      Teams can make trades at any time….

      Heck a team can make a trade 5 minutes after the “trade deadline”.

      The only thing the trade deadline is, is the date you need to acquire a player before in order to use that player that season and in that year’s playoffs.

      The NHL asks teams not to announce a major trade during the playoffs because they don’t want it to overshadow the playoffs, but there is no set rule stopping them.

      Go Habs Go!
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  43. HabFanSince72 says:

    In other news, tuition isn’t the only thing Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois doesn’t think he should have to pay.

    What a twerp.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Cardiac says:

      What kind of apartment is this kid renting at $950 a month???

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • L Elle says:

      I’m officially sick of them.Today I went down and observed them for about 15 minutes. If this is the future of our planet, we are doomed.

      Talk about rebels without a cause. Don’t tattoos cost that 300$ they don’t pay for anyway? And what about that punk with the Bruins jersey?

      Self-entitlement, thanks to their upbringing. It’s time the parents took an actual interest in their children and demand they go back to school or else. Luckily their was a huge downpour, and they all dispersed without police intervention.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        It’s not the future though. The vast majority of CEGEP and University students did not go on strike.

        “And what about that punk with the Bruins jersey? ”


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  44. Cardiac says:

    Not sure if it’s been posted already, but Renaud Lavoie is reporting that Vigneault is getting a two-year contract extension with the Canucks:

    I guess those who actually thought he could/would come back to the Habs can now scratch him off their list.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

    • habstrinifan says:

      Chalk one up for Marc Bergevin in not falling for the knee-jerk popular assumption that Alain Vigneault was the ideal candidate to coach the HABS NOW…. and I stress now. He is not the right man for the requirements as they stand NOW.

      Another test passed Monsieur Bergevin!

  45. frontenac1 says:

    Trade the Swiss guys already!Get John Erskine from Caps and try for Bryan Allen as UFA. Also trade or bury Kaberle Rotate in the kids from the farm regularly.It aint rocket science! Hola!

    • Cardiac says:

      a) Why does everyone have a hard-on for this Erskine guy? Sure he’s big, but…

      b) Who wants to take our Swiss crap? If they’re so crap, what makes you think other teams would want them?

      c) Kaberle needs to get in shape and a longer stick. I’m not ready to give up on him yet. You stick him with a stay-at-home defenseman during even strength and a good shooter on the PP and he’ll be fine.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • ont fan says:

      I heard everyone is willing to take our crap. I guess other teams don’t have scouts. Lucky us.

  46. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    anyone up for Marin Frk with our #33 pick??

    He was originally slated to go late 1st round, but slipped down due to injuries.

    He is projected as a power forward.

  47. HabFab says:

    @ed lopaz
    – Shawinigan Cataractes goaltender Alexandre Dubeau and late-blooming overage Drumondville forward Andre Bouvet-Morrissette invited to the Habs combine camp.

    This is not the same Morrissette you have been pushing or is it?

  48. Phil C says:

    How quickly a team’s fortunes can turn. Many speculated that the King’s GM would have been fired if they had missed the playoffs and that his trade for Carter was a desperate attempt to save his job. Now they look almost unbeatable and most of their core is signed for next year (Carter, Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Doughty, Greene, Mitchell, Scuderi, Quick), so this team could be good for a while.

    The addition of Carter gave LA two scoring lines, instead of just one. The difference between one scoring line and two is the difference between missing the playoffs and winning the cup. It is absolutely essential to a winning formula because any well-coached team can shut down one line, it is much tougher to shutdown two lines. Vancouver looked unstoppable last year until Kesler was hurt. Boston was lucky in that sense.

    This is why I really hope Montreal can find someone who can play with Pleks and Gionta. It was so hopeless last year seeing Pleks out there with Moen and/or White. It doesn’t seem like anyone in the organization is ready for that role (Bourque seems washed up, I like Eller in a third centre role, Gomez…nevermind), and they do not have the assets to make trades. Louis Leblanc? Maybe if he has a good offseason and fills out, but I would rather seem him start in Hamilton as a top line winger and learn to score and play big minutes like Pacioretty did. LL is a year away, IMO.

    The free agent pool for left wingers is thin, so it is a tough situation for the Habs. Unless Bergevin gets creative with a trade for a young talent that is ready to break out or manages to land one of the few UFAs capable of playing top-six minutes, I think Montreal will have trouble scoring goals again next season.

    • TomNickle says:

      When we go from Plekanec to a Kopitar level player and Desharnais to a Richards level player then we can talk about comparisons between the two teams.

      When we have a winger who is as dominant physically and defensively as Dustin Brown and the kind of depth on defense that allows us to push everybody else around, then we can make that comparison.

      • Cardiac says:

        LA was/is so deep in defense, they gave up a great defenseman and former third overall pick Jack Johnson for a supposed washed-up troublesome Carter. Seems that trade is already paying off.

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

      • Phil C says:

        Part of my point was that even with Kopitar and Richards, the Kings were going to miss the playoffs. A team can be greater than the sum of its parts. DD playing with Pacioretty and Cole was as good as any in the league for the second part of the season. The Habs need to find that chemistry on their second line as well.

        • TomNickle says:

          I don’t know who said they were missing the playoffs but I think the Sutter addition had more to do with the playoff spot than the Carter pick up.

          I think you’re making some pretty big leaps here.

          • Chris says:

            They were not in good shape on trade deadline day…they were sitting in 9th place, two points out of 8th but also four points out of 13th.

            Sutter made a difference, and that was surprising. But there is no question that Brown’s play spiked to previously unseen levels for him…a guy that had never exceeded 33 goals or 60 points in a season went off for 8 goals, 23 points and a +12 rating in 21 games after the trade deadline, a tear that he has continued in the playoffs.

            Either the trade rumours put a burr under his saddle or Carter’s arrival relieved some pressure, because those numbers far exceeded his performance under Darryl Sutter prior to Carter’s arrival. In the previous 28 games playing for Sutter, Brown’s 7 goals, 13 points and +7 rating look comparatively weak.

            With Jeff Carter in the lineup, the Kings were 11-5-0 and averaged 3.06 goals per game under Darryl Sutter, versus 14-8-11 while averaging 2.21 goals per game without Carter under Sutter. If you throw in the playoffs, the record with Carter jumps to 22-7-0, with the team averaging 2.97 goals per game.

            Carter isn’t the only difference, but his presence sure sparks something in that roster! A 0.75 goal per game jump is hard to explain!

      • Chris says:

        From the blueline back, the Habs compare well with the Kings. Doughty is obviously an elite young defenceman, but the rest of the Kings’ blue line is composed of solid but unspectacular veterans (Willie Mitchell, Rob Scuderi and Matt Greene) and youngsters who came into the playoffs quite green (22 year old Slava Voynov and 24 year old Alec Martinez).

        Compare that to Montreal. I’ve always called P.K. Subban a diminished version of Doughty, but he’s closed the gap far more and far quicker than I thought he would. A healthy Andrei Markov is better than any of the Kings’ other defencemen. Gorges and Emelin give the Habs a pair of good defenders that can block shots, while Diaz and Kaberle are not bad 5th and 6th defencemen.

        Quick is playing out of his mind this year, but Price has that ability too.

        So the difference is really up front, and the Kings struggled mightily all season to score goals until turning it on with the Carter trade. Why? Certainly not because of Carter’s production which has been quite pedestrian during the playoffs (beside his hat trick the other night). Instead, as Phil pointed out, the Kings have more balance in their forward ranks.

        Williams/Kopitar/Brown give them a very good top line that can put points on the board. Williams does not get nearly enough credit, but that’s probably just karmic justice for being so reckless with his stick when he was young.

        Penner/Richards/Carter is an experienced second line with offensive ability and size that can punish teams that load up on the Kings’ top line.

        King/Stoll/Lewis give the Kings a shutdown line that can win faceoffs and shut down the other team’s offensive guns.

        Fraser/Richardson/Nolan are a fourth line whose sole job is to hit and kill some minutes while the other guys rest up.

        Now look at Montreal’s forwards…

        Cole/Desharnais/Pacioretty produced admirably this season, accounting for 82 goals and 186 points this season. This compares quite well with the 68 goals and 189 points put up by Justin Williams, Anze Kopitar and Dustin Brown, the top scorers for the Kings.

        Mike Richards put up 18 goals and 44 points this season for the Kings in his role as a two-way center, numbers off his career averages due in part to a lack of offensive depth on the Kings for most of the season (sound familiar?). When you see that, it doesn’t look that much of an improvement over the 17 goal and 52 points season put up by Tomas Plekanec in HIS role as a two-way center struggling with a lack of offensive support from his wingers.

        Jeff Carter (6 goals and 9 points in 16 games) helped alleviate that pressure, something I believe would also have happened if streaky Brian Gionta (8 goals and 15 points in 31 games) had not been injured.

        Both teams see their offensive firepower fall off dramatically after that, although I think the Habs will be much better next year with Eller having another year under his belt and I truly believe that Rene Bourque will be better next season (although he will remain a frustrating “tease”).

        What the Habs desperately need is a true shut-down center to relieve some of Plekanec’s defensive responsibilities and another scoring winger to replace Andrei Kostitsyn’s lost goals up front. A fourth line is a relatively easy thing to replace.

        I don’t think the Habs are that far off the Kings’ model, because the Kings themselves looked about as far away from their current success if you looked at them on trade deadline day.

        Teams can get hot, and Dustin Brown’s ridiculous jump in play has keyed an offensive resurgence for the previously moribund Kings. The question for L.A. is if this is a new “normal” for Brown or if they are benefiting form a once-in-a-career hot streak from their captain.

  49. HabFab says:

    And yet another Timmins media interview, who knew he was so articulate?

  50. HabFab says:

    Big announcement coming soon… All my #twitts and #subbaniacs stay tuned… 9 minutes ago.

    Perhaps this is the media buzz in Montreal, not a coach announcement?

  51. Chris says:

    Regarding Nathan Beaulieu:

    If you’re looking for a good comparable to his development path, you probably don’t need to look much further than his former teammate Simon Despres.

    The 6’4″ and 220 pound Despres already possessed a frame suited to the NHL and was a steady defenceman throughout his QMJHL career. He almost made the Penguins defence corps out of training camp, as they were looking for more puck movers on the back end, but he was ultimately assigned to the AHL where he put up solid but unspectacular numbers. He was also called up to play 18 regular season games (averaging 14:13 in ice time, including 1:06 on the PP, per game) and 3 playoff games (averaging just under 10 minutes per game), acquitting himself reasonably well.

    Like Despres last season, Beaulieu faces a bit of a logjam. Barring summer trades, Andrei Markov, P.K. Subban, Alexei Emelin, Josh Gorges and Tomas Kaberle are all pretty much guaranteed spots on the roster. This would leave Tinordi and Beaulieu battling it out with Yannick Weber, Frederic St-Denis and Brendan Nash for the final spot, barring the Habs picking up a veteran defenceman through free agency (which I believe is likely).

    Tinordi might have the better shot, as the Habs need a physical stay-at-home defenceman more than they need another offensive defenceman (barring another injury to Markov, in which case they could call up Beaulieu anyways). But Tinordi will have an adjustment to make in dealing with the size, speed and strength of professional hockey players as opposed to the junior hockey players (many of whom are as young as 16-18 years old) that he currently plays against. Tinordi is a man amongst boys at the moment, but there are no guarantees as to how his game will translate when he is a man amongst men.

    • HabFab says:

      Poor Diaz…sigh!!

      • Chris says:

        Whoops! The stupid thing is that I REALLY like Diaz. Good catch! 🙂

        Hockey hasn’t been on my brain this spring, but I remain ashamed that I forgot him!

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Don’t be surprised that the Habs will trade Weber in order to open up one or two spots for their prospects.

      Another scenario for them is to bury Kaberle in Hamilton.

      • Ali says:

        re: Kaberle: One can only hope…

      • Chris says:

        I think trading Weber is likely, but not so much to open up spots for their prospects as simply that he doesn’t seem to fit with the team’s long-term plans and they should try to capitalize on an asset while they can.

        Weber doesn’t look like he is going to crack the Habs’ roster, but he absolutely can be a top-6 defenceman in the right environment. He is a good skater with a good hockey IQ…he just needs the right opportunity. He may need to reinvent himself a bit (continue working on his defence and perhaps try to master the shot-blocking art), but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him follow in the footsteps of a guy like Stephane Robidas, who certainly didn’t look like he’d become a top-4 defenceman when he came up through Montreal’s system years ago. Robidas is also undersized (5’11” and 180 pounds) but has become a very good player. Weber (5’11” and 193 pounds) has that same potential.

    • Ali says:

      agreed re: Tinordi. Think he would be best served with time in the AHL first to get his footwork nailed down.

    • JF says:

      What about Diaz? I thought he did reasonably well last season, and I seem to remember your saying you liked him.

  52. Un Canadien errant says:

    My expectations for this summer:

    1) A grand-slam homerun of a first-round pick, then judicious, inspired picks in the second and third rounds like we used to do, in the vein of Sergio Mommesso and Claude Lemieux and Patrick Roy, followed by a succession of great finds in the lower rounds like Morgan Ellis and Brendan Gallagher and a couple of Andrei Markovs and Jaroslav Halaks. During the broadcast, Bryan Burke fulminates as it appears his tie is strangling him after each of our picks.

    2) Another bullseye free agent signing à la Erik Cole.

    3) A long lost draft pick or two comes home and contributes immediately, à la Alexei Emelin, 2011’s prodigal son.

    4) An overlooked LHJMQ free agent product sneaks in at camp and snags a roster spot. I want a hard luck/feel good story about how he played in the Bayou League for a season, where they have staged alligator fights to rev up the crowds and ‘get ’em goin’ ‘, Don Cherry style. Bonus points if he’s referred and vouched for by an ex-Hab great. Extra bonus points if Max Pacioretty says he played with him and he’s the second best player he’s ever played with.

    5) Colon Campbell’s email account is hacked again, and the rest of the emails are revealed to the public. It’s not good. Implicated among others are Bill Daly, Stephen Walkom, Terry Gregson, Marc Savard’s nurse, Jack Edwards, Dennis Leary, Claude Julien, Zdeno Chara’s wrestling coach, and a group of broadcasters known only as Shoe-B-boy, Mini-B-boy and B-boy-Prime. The US Justice Department investigates, along with the Royal Mounted Constabulary in Canada. The probe widens and includes Jeremy Jacobs, who quickly flips the team to a consortium led by Jean Ratelle and Raymond Bourque. He’s led away in handcuffs at his hastily called press conference to present the new owners. Gary Bettman stridently denies any wrongdoing by the league, and announces that an internal investigation will be conducted by the same firm which did the due diligence on Boots Delbaggio, John Spano, Charles Wang, Len Barrie and Oren Koules. He also states that he is resigning as NHL Commissioner effective immediately to spend more time with his family. Meanwhile, the NHLPA’s Don Fehr holds a press conference with thick binders stacked on his table and on the chairs nearby, on the tables behind him and in boxes on the floor. He picks one up at random and idly leafs through it as he claims his group is ready for the negotiations to begin. Reports out of Toronto claim that a trophy-engraving company has ordered an asterisk punch as well as an industrial strength polisher that buffs out scratches on a silver-nickel alloy. A day later, Gary Bettman is arrested on board a private plane as it taxied for takeoff. A flight plan had been logged for the Turks and Caicos.

    That is all.

    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  53. Bripro says:

    For some reason, all of my post are blocked. Here goes on a different computer.
    Is anyone else having this problem?

  54. TomNickle says:

    I’ll just apologize for the generalization now.

    I can’t believe how passionate fans here were about change. Change from Martin, Gauthier and Gainey.

    These fans seem to want Kaberle, Gomez and Bourque gone. If you’re in this boat I have a question for you. Do you really believe that Geoff Molson is of the opinion that those three players are the only reasons why this team hasn’t won a Cup in the last twenty years?

    You’ve verbally assaulted the former management teams of this organization from afar for targeting unrestricted free agents and yet the majority opinion among you is that you want to pursue free agents now. Give us Parise, Semin, Stuart and Suter you say. And you don’t stop to think for a moment that….

    a) These players may not want to sign in Montreal and
    b) The new management team may want nothing to do with free agents.

    You wanted change. So embrace it. This team may not hire an experienced coach. It may pull somebody off of the street who it believes in. There’s also the slim possibility(yes that’s sarcastic) that they don’t believe the veteran players on this team are capable of leading a team to a Cup. They might just believe that they can purge the roster of all of its veteran players over the next three years and build something sustaining instead of a revolving door for young players and veterans alike.

    Be prepared for notable names to move or put some money away for consistent runs to Costco for Kleenex.

    Many of you call me dogmatic and a “know it all” who refuses to see things from every angle and yet here I am, again telling you that you wanted change(haven’t seen disagreement on this yet) and yet you still sit there bitching about the potential changes on the horizon, unless they’re to your liking.

    • Ali says:

      We have an inexperienced GM, but if he surrounds himself with experienced guys (Carriere, Dudley) I’ll have faith in the braintrust until proven otherwise. I think there will be big changes on the team, mainly because they have nothing vested in any player on this team. Nobody on this roster, or in our whole system as a matter of fact, is anybody’s “guy”. That makes it easier.

      I don’t like that the coach will be chosen mainly because of the language he speaks, but that’s the way it is.

      But there will be change. And I hope for the better.

      • The Jackal says:

        Change is coming for the better. I think most fans are expecting change and a new approach for the management of the team. I hope they build to be competitive every year.

        On the subject of the coach, he will be picked for his ability, not because of the language he speaks. French may be a requirement, but ability is the primary quality that is looked for. That being said, there are many candidates who are capable and bilingual. It’s a myth that the Habs hurt themselves by wanting bilingual personnel for key positions.

        • TomNickle says:

          What you call myth some will call math. But I don’t believe the consequences are as severe as some make them about to be.

          • The Jackal says:

            True, the candidate pool is smaller, but there are many capable people who are bilingual, and because of that, the Habs don’t hurt themselves by opting for those who can parle both langues.

            Anyway not to be boring or anything but it irks me when people lament the language issue mostly because to me suggests a misunderstanding of why its important to Quebecers and to the team, and to me that shows a disconnect a cultural disconnect which unfortunately exists regarding Quebec.

            Now…. if all we had were French speaking Ron Wilsons…

          • mrhabby says:

            but will the so called changes keep the habs out of the playoff run..the sound of cash registers ringing maybe to hard for molson to give up hence a quick retool and the use of UFA’S.

            you are talking about a fairly substantial purge of players which i really have no problem with as long as the plan is to be replace with an increase in top end talent and i mean top end talent.

          • TomNickle says:

            Mr Habby,

            I don’t believe they’ll make changes with the goal of getting worse in mind.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        Carriere is the gem. He just doesn’t suck the media like so many others

    • The Jackal says:

      You say you want a revolution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change the world
      You tell me that it’s evolution
      Well, you know
      We all want to change the world
      But when you talk about destruction
      Don’t you know that you can count me out
      Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
      All right, all right

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Tom, there’s an episode of “The Office” where Jim and Pam are on their honeymoon, and Oscar states that the Coalition for Reason is weak, the sane faction is short a few members.

      Since the Canadiens are out of the playoffs, there’ve been fewer posters around, especially with the poor quality of hockey on offer. Most people have checked out and are waiting for the coaching hire and the draft.

      I think the majority isn’t those posters who stridently advocate for one player to be drafted over another, or for a player to be traded or not traded, etc. The majority is those who have posted once or twice that they trusted Mr. Molson and Mr. Savard to get the best man possible for GM, and then applauded the eventual choice. The majority is those who are taking the same approach to the coaching decision, that it’s hard to make an informed decision without being in the interview room, and trusts that Mr. Bergevin and his team will hire the best candidate.

      In my mind, the majority isn’t the most vocal posters, but those who understand there’s big important work to be done, and that the hire of Mr. Bergevin was a big chunk of that. The majority understands that there will be important changes to the team, but also that it isn’t bereft of talent and potential, and while Hamilton can’t be counted on for next season, the future looks brighter than it has in a long time.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      • Chris says:

        Good post!

        Like you appear to, I’m content to let the summer play out. Bergevin is an intriguing choice (and I will confess that he was not on my radar) and I am optimistic that his hiring signals a willingness on the part of the franchise to explore all options, not just the obvious ones, and hire the guy who makes the best impression and has the best vision for moving the team forwards.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Tom, your posts usually have a specificity of issues which make the “dogmatic”, “know it all” (your words) accent of those posts a further engagement of the reader’s attention. For your writing usually commands that the reader accepts the need for a level of provocative thought studiously supported by insightful delineation, or move along to the armchair aphorisms of contributions like mine.

      The kindest thing I can say about the above post is that if you group it with 3 or 4 of your other contributions, any Sesame Street graduate would be able to identify this one as meeting the standards of incongruity found in the ditty “one of these things doesnt belong”.

  55. frontenac1 says:

    Can’t argue with any of your points Gumper,except I think you might see RC stay with the big club as an asst. As he does know and has a good rapport with the younger players.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      RC is one of the most class guys you could ever meet. Sometimes circumstances dictate paths of action that don’t necessarily relate to the individual. They just need to be done for peception in the world of business and marketing

  56. ed lopaz says:

    so I figured I would just throw my 2 cents in here about Hartley


    it reminds me of when Martin was chosen.

    I just can’t get excited about it.

  57. Bripro says:

    Is anyone having difficulty posting?
    This site today is treating my posts as spam.

  58. Jim Edson says:

    Boone why do you harp on the last game in Glendale line daily?

    It isn’t happening for QC or Peladeau!

    Bettman and Geoff Molson will stick him for an expansion franchise and 300 million. Why, just because they can!

    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  59. Ian Cobb says:

    Some good posts about our new potential personnel soon to arrive. But the fact is that, we just do not know who will be hired.

    They might even go to the draft with just Bergevin and super scout Timmons.

  60. Gumper Knows Best says:

    Would like the smart learned Habs posters thoughts on this and please correct me if I’m wrong.

    Regarding the Habs prospects, do y’all remember what Bergevin said?
    Didn’t he say something like “Sometimes young players are brought up too quick, but sometimes young players stay down longer than they should.”

    I see Bergevin giving the young guys a real shot and why not?

    Look at Ottawa’s Erik Karlsson 31/5/1990.
    21-22 years old: 81 19 59 78 +16
    20-21 years old: 75 13 32 45 -30 (MINUS30!)
    19-20 years old: 60 5 21 26 -5

    Sure, they get to UFA status faster, but why not give the kids a shot if they can handle it? Quickest UFA status is 7 qualified NHL years for the good ones….and no, I won’t go into the other Groups here.

    The kids today are so much more mature and ready (no one needs names) and with the CBA and RFA/UFA status, there are much shorter windows.

    • Malreg says:

      If I remember correctly, what he said was along the lines of you can hurt a player if you rush him when he’s not ready, but you never heard of a player’s development being hurt by being left in the minors too long.

      So it’s the opposite of what you think. Unless one of them blows everyone out of the water at training camp, it’s safe to assume all of Gallagher, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis, and others will all spend a full season or more in the AHL.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Sorry Gumper, but you got that quote wrong. The meaning is also almost completely the opposite of your proposal.

      “But Bergevin had a message for anyone expecting instant help from the draft.

      “There’s no need to put a player in the NHL if he’s not ready because all you can do is damage the player,” he said. “There’s an old saying – you’ll never hear management say we left him down (in the minors) too long, but they will say we brought him up too fast.” ”

      I’ll take Mr. Bergevin at his word, and expect that he won’t bring up youngsters who should simmer in Hamilton just because he has roster pressures in Montréal. I think he’ll plug holes with cheap free agents rather than test out the Brendan Gallaghers and Jarred Tinordis.

      A player who I can see getting a shot is Mark Mitera or even Greg Pateryn, both are big stay-at-home defencemen who would fill a need. Those two, being older and more mature, might be given a shot at the #6 D spot even if other prospects show more promise. Their role would be more limited, less would be expected of them than our first-rounders, so they might have a better chance to succeed.

      Which means to me that Marc Bergevin and the organization have gained a lot of good will in the last couple of months with the changes brought in, they’ve bought some time, so they won’t be in a ‘win now’ mindset. They’ll do what Mr. Bergevin talked about during his introduction, which is build the house, one step at a time. He’ll acquire more assets in the draft and in July, and slowly build. Part of that building process will be giving our youngsters a chance to progress and succeed in Hamilton, rather than sink or swim in Montréal.

      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  61. db says:

    What I would do if I was the Canadiens GM and it was as easy as EA NHL…

    UFA targets:
    *Zach Parise
    *Shane Doan
    PA Parenteau
    David Jones
    Taylor Pyatt

    *Ryan Suter
    *Dennis Wideman
    Barret Jackman
    Matt Carkner
    Bryan Allen

    *only to be targeted if capspace is shed, ie Gionta, Markov, Kaberle. Gomez is assumed gone.


    extra: Leblanc Blunden(Pyatt)

    Extra: Weber


    UFA/RFA moves

    Gomez. Hamilton, trade or retire.
    Moen. Resign, 2 years 4 mil.
    Eller. Resign, 3 years 5 mil total.
    Geoffrion. 2way deal.
    Palushaj. Sign and trade.
    Darche. Thanks but no thanks.
    White. Resign 3 years 3.5mil.
    Blunden. 2way deal.
    Nokelainen. Walk away or trade.
    Staubitz. 1yr 700k

    Campoli. Walk away.
    Emelin. Resign, 3 years, 5 mil.
    Diaz. 2way and trade.
    Subban. Resign, 4 years 14 mil
    St. Denis. 2way.
    Kaberle. Gone, trade or Hamilton.
    Weber. Trade, 2nd-3rd rounder?

    Price. Resign, 7 years 42 mil.

    Trade bait
    Gionta, Pleks, Markov, only for the right deals.. cap space and draft picks before the draft. All this within a couple of months… I’m in Mexico now, this is as close to EA GM mode as I can get (but they choose the coach for you :p). It’s also been a while since I’ve seen line combos 😉 I can debate this for hours… this is just off the top of my head. Cheers..

    • gohabsgo25 says:

      why spend money on this year ufa’s when next year’s is gonna be one of the best. i do agree we should sign david jones but spending money on useless players is not wanted.

      • db says:

        I was actually trending on dumping useless players like Gomez, Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, Darche, Palushaj, etc. I don’t want to watch another year with Blunden and Nokelainen. There are some solid bottom 6 players this UFA that can fill roles (not just space) on our club. Our minors are empty, so keep LL and others there.. Our D is soft, if Suter, Wideman or Jackman can be landed for a couple of seasons, why not? Parenteau and Jones are gamers.. these guys come to play and are all hitting their prime. We have a solid core, this UFA crop can help make this team better.

      • Chris says:

        It’s only a good year provided the guys on that list don’t get re-signed before making it to UFA status. In recent years, precious few star players have actually made it to free agency by the time all is said and done.

  62. Bripro says:

    Why are all my blogs treated as spam?
    Is anyone else having this problem?

  63. Bripro says:

    Why are my posts not showing up?
    Is anyone else having problems posting?

    EDIT: This is the link I tried to post before about Beliveau’s recovery.
    It’s in french. I translated most of it before, but it didn’t show up.

  64. Bripro says:

    Here’s a link to Beliveau’s recovery. It’s a french article, well written, and I made the attempt to translate most of it the first time, but the submitted comment never appeared. So I hope most of you can read it.
    It chronicles his various health issues throughout his life and how he’s still overcoming them.
    And he talks about the new management look.

  65. Bripro says:

    Here’s an interesting french article of Beliveau and his recovery.
    Bertrand Raymond makes covers Gros Bill’s early years of health complications, from is famous “heart of an Austin in the body of a Cadillac”.
    A few years ago, his treatments for a throat cancer left him without taste or salivary glands. And then his recent cerebral haemorrhage. His second in two years.
    He suffered temporary paralysis of the right arm, the mobility now returning. And he cautiously walks with a cane.
    But he’s heartbroken for no longer having the strength to write back to his fans as he used to….to every one of them.
    At 81, he doesn’t have it in the tank anymore.
    But he’s still got a heart of gold.

    As for the habs, he likes our new GM selection and hopes that he takes his time in creating a successful team, without panic moves such as (his example) Ryan McDonagh.
    Once a Canadien always a Canadien.

  66. Gumper Knows Best says:

    As correctly predicted 4 weeks prior to the naming of Marc Bergevin as GM when the many didn’t even know he existed, here is the new predicted Habs hockey set up. So listen up 🙂

    Bergevin is waiting for the Memorial Cup to be over out of respect to the City of Shawinigan Quebec, Canadian Major Junior Hockey in general, and Canada wide junior hockey fans.
    Once finished next Sunday, look for a Monday-Tuesday announcement. Bergevin could wait until the SC finals are over, but it is irrelevant as there are no Canadian teams left to spoil or distract from the spotlight.

    Due to almost the process of elimination, Bob Hartley will be named head coach with a 3 year contract, or 2 plus 1 year option. This is the safest, short term solution while Bergevin figures out exactly what he has and creates the team he wants while other candidates will appear down the road. Bergevin may force his contact Denis Savard as an assistant, then let Hartley choose the other. Savard would bring an interesting dynamic.

    Hartley is now 52 years, has probably matured from his many experiences, and has won everywhere he has gone. A Memorial Cup participation-a Calder Cup-a Stanley Cup. His knock was that he was a youngster career killer back in his early NHL coaching years when he was in his late 30′s early 40′s. Hartley can handle the press and doesn’t need to be baby sat.

    The Habs do not need a Patrick Roy at this moment. There are just too many unknown variables with him for the rookie GM. It’s about TEAM and not about EGO and WANTS. Crawford? Jeff Molson doesn’t need anything else and the Moore trial is on the horizon. Carbo and Therrien are the past…

    Super scout Timmins will be allowed to get out from under the imposed shell. One wonders if and how many times he was overruled then muzzled. Confidence is key.

    Media under-rated Carriere will stay as Bergevin’s right hand man, and known rink rat Rick Dudley, aka Mr. Hockey Player Encyclopedia will join the team. Look for a mini scouting purge, then a beefed up Pro and amateur scouting department both in North America and Europe. There is no salary cap on administration and for many known reasons, there will be greater emphasis on both Quebec and Eastern Canada.
    Look for some specialists or more assistant coaches to be hired plus greater emphasis on the relationship between Hamilton and Montreal.

    Cunneyworth might be offered Hamilton, yet will also be allowed to choose his destination elsewhere. He was a trooper. Don’t be surprised if Clement Jodoin is purged and replaced by some solid, bilingual progressive Q coaches to plan for a possible succession.

    • jols101 says:

      great post

    • j0nHABS says:

      Hartley as coach does seem like it is going to happen.
      Good post!

    • habsfan0 says:

      Sounds COMPLETELY logical.

      Which is why it probably won’t happen.

    • 24 Cups says:

      ” His knock was that he was a youngster career killer back in his early NHL coaching years when he was in his late 30′s early 40′s. ”

      Seeing as that the Habs are basically a team of young players moving forward, is this liability that you stated not a major concern? How does anyone know that Hartley can now develop and nurture young players and prospects?

      Why has no other NHL team ever given him a gig? Would he even be discussed if it wasn’t for the French factor?

      Hartley and Crawford won Cups in Colorado, there’s no denying that fact. Of course, the other side of the coin is the superstar players who were on that team. Maybe even Jean Perron could have won the Cup:-)

      I still think the tie-breaker has to be the candidate who can work best with the younger players.

      • Gumper Knows Best says:

        He is now 52 and Ken Hitchcock also had the same knock when he was younger as did Michel Therrien. I hope and believe, like in regular society, that people learn and evolve. Thoughts?

        • 24 Cups says:

          It would be interesting to see what would unfold in the interview process, as well as the rumour mill around the league. Hartley’s bad rap with young players, Crawford’s court case, Savard’s firing in Chicago and the stars of yesteryear who state they want no part of the Montreal pressure cooker.

          It’s kind of hard for me to get excited over the coaching pool of prospects.

      • Chris says:

        I personally wonder whether Bergeron, himself a bit of an darkhorse pick, won’t be given free reign by Geoff Molson and Serge Savard to choose a talented young head coach prospect.

        Every time a head coaching job comes up, the same recycled names come to the fore. If there is one positive of recent years, it is that sports teams across all sports are starting to look beyond those tired names and trying to mine the diamonds in the rough.

        I wouldn’t be surprised to see another darkhorse chosen as head coach with an experienced set of assistant coaches propping him up.

    • pmaraw says:

      you havent even been an hio member for four weeks….

    • habstrinifan says:

      Well done!

      If the pool of candidates only contain the suspects currently being bandied about then I would be very happy if Bob Hartley is the choice.

      As far as timing. I am hoping that he is waiting so that Larry Robinson’s departure from the Devils could be facilitated.

  67. commandant says:

    For those who want their hockey watching to start a little earlier, Tinordi and the Knights are back in action at 7pm vs Edmonton.

    Go Habs Go!
    Visit Your NHL Draft Headquarters

  68. 24 Cups says:

    Down Goes Brown’s latest.

    No mention of any sister-in-law comparisons.

  69. Bripro says:

    Gardening all weekend. Laid down enough sod to cover PEI.
    So I haven’t had a chance to talk hockey shop at all this weekend.
    What did I miss? Except of the LA – Phoenix game….
    I was reading in this morning’s gazette regarding the fact that the NHL has issued a statement as a precursor to the upcoming negotiations.
    I would bet that Buttman will lock the players out again.
    That will be what….. the third time he’s created a mgmt / player conflict since the little gestapo has been in power?

  70. issie74 says:

    Tinordi,Beaulieu and Ellis getting koodos on Sportsnet these days.

    Kypreos said Beaulieu best all round defenseman in the tournament.

    Tinordi and his defense partner better than Pheonix 1st pair.

    Praise also for Ellis.

    Bulldogs looking up for next year.


    • jols101 says:

      Been watching all the Memorial Cup games and I know it is popular opinion on here that Tinordi and Beaulieu should spend a year or two in Hamilton but they are both very impressive in different ways. I would not be surprised to see one, if not both, start the year with the Big Club…

      • petefleet says:

        You are just trying to get people excited!!! Actually I am anyway. Can’t wait for September preseason game in HFX and regular season games in MTL.


        “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

        ***Habs Forever***

      • 24 Cups says:

        If Tinordi plays for the Habs next year then the team runs the risk of him turning into the next Luke Schenn.

        Lots of young players look great in the Memorial Cup as well as the fall NHL camps and exhibition season. Then they hit the wall after about a half dozen games.

        • jols101 says:

          I agree, that is why i wrote that one, or both, might start the year on the Big Club. If they hit that wall then they can be moved down to Hamilton and play top minutes…

          • 24 Cups says:

            I think that waivers might also come into play when the final cuts are made.

            Diaz, Weber, St-Denis and Emelin all must pass waivers. Nash doesn’t (assuming he’s even still in the picture).

      • Chris says:

        I would be shocked to see either guy up in Montreal next season.

        Tinordi’s game is strength, and he’s going to have to adjust big-time to the increased size and speed of professional hockey players. A year in the AHL won’t hurt him.

        In Beaulieu’s case, he also needs some seasoning and is disadvantaged by the fact that he is behind Andrei Markov, P.K. Subban and Tomas Kaberle (barring a summer trade) when it comes to offensive blue-liners. There isn’t enough PP time in Montreal, so it would be better for his development to get first-wave PP time (as Subban did) in the AHL to continue his development.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I cant agree with the statement that Beaulieu is the best all round defenceman, based on play. Is he basing this on Beaulieu’s skillset or play in this tournament so far.

  71. jols101 says:

    To; Marc Bergevin,

    Please, hire someone, fire someone, sign someone, or trade someone.

    These Playoffs have officially started to “drag” on, your faithfull Hab fans need something to get excited about. So, please Mr. Bergevin, do something, anything will do…

    • Bripro says:

      Trade Gomez….

      • petefleet says:

        Who in the name of all that’s good and holy would do such a thing? Oh right, Gainey is in hockey again somewhere. Anybody else will only offer a bag of pucks and that’s only if the Habs pay his contract. Oh well, he’d still be gone wouldn’t he? We can always hope.


        “It just goes to show how difficult predictions are, especially ones made about the future.”

        ***Habs Forever***

  72. superkev420 says:

    Dont post here often, but ill write first if i get the chance!

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