Liveblog: Senators 5 – Canadiens 2

Canadian Tire Centre

Takeaways:

• Nathan Beaulieu did not looked out of place. But the only youngsters with a shot to make the team are Jarred Tinordi (the only Canadien to play all six exhibition games) and Michaël Bournival.

• The EGG line (Eller, Gallagher and Galchenyuk) lookedout of sorts … and not at all like three guys who will be the second wave of the power play this season. Two penalties each for Eller and Galchenyuk. The Gs combined for ZERO shots on goal. And Eller was 2-10 in the faceoff circle.

• Good for Ryan White, who hung in gamely with ferocious Chris Neil and was ready to go with massive Matt Kassian. White had 27 PiM.

• In three preseason losses to Atlantic Division rivals, the Canadiens have been outscored 16-9

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Kevin Allen of USA Today has the Canadiens finishing fourth in the Atlantic Division, behind Boston, Detroit and … Noooo! … Toronto.

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From Maritime Ronn:

Danny Kristo sent down to Rangers affiliate Hartford Wolf Pack.

Sather should have no worries until January:

Historical Hartford Snow Fall History:
5.8 days in January – 12.3 inches total.
4.7 days in February – 11.0 inches total

December may become an issue, as overnight lows average below freezing at 21.3F with snow possibilities.

 

588 Comments

  1. Psycho29 says:

    New Thread!

    Guess who’s first, losers!
    ;-)

  2. Stevie.Ray says:

    Can a player placed on waivers refuse to be claimed by another team. For instance, St. Pierre was placed on waivers for the purpose of joining Hamilton. St. Pierre is 30 years old and know that he isn’t going to be making any NHL teams. He is a career AHLer. And a good one at that.

    But what if Phoenix decides they want to claim St. Pierre off waivers and St. Pierre doesn’t want to go? He made his decision this summer that he wanted to play for Hamilton. It’s close to home, he just moved his family there, kids just started school, and he is in a good situation to be a leader of a promising AHL team. Maybe he does not want to head off to the desert and play for a less than stable organization. I wouldn’t want to.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Assuming I understand the rules correctly:

      If Phoenix is claiming him off waivers, it means they intend to use him on their NHL club, which in turn means St. Pierre would earning roughly 10x his AHL salary. Which means he would be a fool to veto such a scenario. Either that or a (slightly misguided) man of principle!

    • D Mex says:

      Seems to me contract terms would come into play : 2-way vs minor league deal (?)
      If the former and he refused to report, I suppose he would, technically, be in breach, but common sense says that an employer (even PHX) wouldn’t push a bubble-level athlete to go where they don’t want to be.
      2¢ …

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

  3. Stevie.Ray says:

    I missed the game last night. How did Beaulieu look? I read he led the team in ice time.

    I stand by my prediction that he will be a full time player once playoffs begin, and will be in a similar situation to Tinordi at this time next year.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Boone said: “Nathan Beaulieu did not looked out of place. ”

      However, with the predominantly AHL line-up, I’m not sure what that means….

    • H.Upmann says:

      I don’t know anything about hockey, but it seemed to me he looked poised out there and knew what to do. One thing I noticed was that he is a smooth skater. Definately clear that he has talent

    • johnnylarue says:

      Beaulieu looked good–he already shows NHL-level skating and passing ability, toughness, and great offensive awareness. He should be a regular by this time next year, if not sooner as an injury call-up.

      The D in general was a mess last night, though. Most of the D squad was frozen with panic anytime Ottawa had the puck in the Habs’ end. A natural reaction for a bunch of juniors/rookies + an almost rookie (Diaz) playing against a predominantly NHL roster–and a pretty good one, at that.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Let me be the only dissenting voice, and state that Nathan Beaulieu needs to acquire a work ethic, and not rely on his natural ability and float through the steps. He needs to grow up, and mature physically and in terms of his attitude. I want him to spend at least another full season in the AHL and pick up some work habits from the other go-getters down there and the coaching staff. He’s only 20, he’s a prime candidate to apply the maxim of Marc Bergevin that you don’t often regret leaving a player in the minors too long, but often regret bringing them up too soon.

  4. Propwash says:

    How I imagine Therrien announcing cuts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M2R3P-IN-Q

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  5. Hobie Hansen says:

    Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 2m

    No big surprises in #Habs cuts today; Dumont, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Bournival among those still around.

  6. Mattyleg says:

    In other news,
    On the same day that Grand Theft Auto V came out, I went out and bought a Super Nintendo (SNES) and NHL 94.

    Amazing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Strummer says:

      you will experience the post ’93 Cup hangover

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • shiram says:

      Matty’s a hipster!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hipsters play NHL94?

        I thought they just sat around waxing their moustaches, riding fixie bikes and getting tattoos of owls smoking pipes.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          Retro is a staple of hipsterism I thought.
          So a hipster would never be caught playing the newest hockey game, as obviously, perfection was reached all those years ago.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Can anyone explain the fixed gear bikes? I don’t get those at all, such an affectation. “I will use a bike that is markedly technologically inferior, goes slower and requires greater effort to go comparative distances.”

          A friend of mine has one, and I can’t pin him down on it, why he went and bought one of those instead of a bike that actually works. He’s possibly abashed of his choice, hasn’t really been able to provide an explanation or reason for his owning that bike, in Whistler of all places, which has a few hills here and there.

          • shiram says:

            All I heard about them is that they are simpler and may have less issues with the chain coming off.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            That’s not really a reason, more of a repercussion. That’s like saying a car with a direct drive transmission with only one gear is cheaper to operate and repair, or a ladder is better than an elevator for the same reasons.

          • Luke says:

            A few of my friends bought them. (Here and in FLA)

            They use them as ‘beach cruisers’, travelling around the neighborhood to friends houses or the pubs, instead of walking or driving. Nice, cheaper, casual ride…

            Fewer mountains here in Niagara than in Whistler though…

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Shame Shame… Sega Genesis was far superior in NHLPA games…

  7. krob1000 says:

    Dumont seems to be the forgotten man in all of this….he ahs played decent, is phsyical,etc….I see he is still around…wonder what this means. Does he take Blunden’s spot? Does that pretty well signify the end for Bournival? They can really only carry 2 forward spares….Parros is one…not sure anyone has won a role from an existing guy. Bournival is the clsoest but as mentioned it is best to not let him play presssbox and occasional 4th line likely. Dumont is probably more of a 4th liner …do they keep him?
    DO they have both Dumotn and Bournival play in Hamliton…hoepfulyl help Hamilton be more competitive than last year?
    I wish they would announce their cuts already

    • Timo says:

      I think it is safe enough to scratch Blunden from a list of hopefuls to ever become an NHL regular. He can be a desperation call up at best. Dumont probably ranks a bit higher but not by much.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Timo, Stubbs just tweeted this app, seems custom made for you to follow either Diaz or DD.

        http://thegametimeapp.com/en

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Dumont is 22, Blunden is 26. Dumont has some skill, Blunden is an average AHL player.

      • krob1000 says:

        That is the point though Timo…they have enough NHL regulars…the last real spot available..or even two are really pressbox roles. Steady one way paycheck, practice guys who may fill in occasionally and be cheap for cap purposes. is that role suitable for Bournival? I don’t think so. Dumont? maybe….can’t see his ceiling as much higher. Blunden? same as Dumont…but bigger….so it really in mind comes down to those two unless they really shake things up with a bigger move. They know Bulnden won’t complain and is what he is….did DUmotn do enoguh to win that? would they prefer that for MB’s development? those are the real quesitons IMO

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Gabriel Dumont is waiver-eligible, so they won’t want to shuttle him back and forth to Hamilton for fear of losing him. He had a tepid camp, but he proved a lot last season in Hamilton and during callups. For both these reasons, he may yet stick instead of being sent down-exposed to waivers.

          Having said that, if they go off performance at the camp, Michaël Bournival should be considered ahead of him.

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

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    Only 13 skaters at the morning practice, but the list includes a fully recovered Douglas Murray. RAPID FIRE -> http://goha.bs/z6tANV

  9. shiram says:

    Leafs Franson signs a 1 year deal at 2 millions.
    I hear he forfeitted arbitration, one has to wonder why?

    And Stepan in the NYR, 2 years for 6.5millions.

  10. Timo says:

    Anyone has Habs lineup for tonight?

  11. Marcusman says:

    Was it just me or did Tarnasky land 3 great shots on Neil?

  12. Ron says:

    In a RT by Brian Wilde he says Douglas Murray believes he will be ready for opening night

    Sure as heck hope so :mrgreen:

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I hope he’s ready period. He hasn’t had a chance to prove he’s better than a couple other guys fighting to play in the starting 6.

      • Cal says:

        We’ll forget all about the preseason when Murray crushes some unfortunate forward trying to squeak by.
        PK, Markov, Tinordi, Murray, Boullion, Gorges. When Emelin is ready, a player like Drewiske becomes a Bulldog and Diaz becomes expendable. And then Gorges will start looking over the D from the pressbox.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      I hope he isn´t. Seriously, can anyone see MT sitting Bouillon? I can´t. Then there are Subban, Markov, Gorges and Diaz whom we definitely need for the PP. So Murray in very likely means no room for Tinordi. No thanks.

      • Cal says:

        Don’t really need 4 PP Dman specialists. The 2 the Habs have in PK and Markov should do okay. Gorges on the PP? Really?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think the fact that Francis signed a one-year contract at the same amount as last year’s signifies he knows his career is winding down, and he’ll accept #7 status, and work hard in practice and be ready when he’s needed, and help the kids develop and benefit from his experience.

        Coach Therrien loves Francis, they have a history together, but he wants to win and ice a competitive club, if that means he needs to sit him he’ll be able to work that out with him.

  13. commandant says:

    When doing “where will the Habs finish in the conference” predictions.

    Remember that the system has changed.

    The conference isn’t as important as the division

    Its top 3 in each division make playoffs and then 2 more teams.

    The 2 more teams would be set up like the CFL with potentially a crossover.

    And playoffs are all inside your own division.

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  14. JO says:

    The team was picked before training camp. whom ever they keep for awhile will see a lot of press box duty.
    Not impressed with the so called EGG line. They should be on a line with at least one veteran to start the season. If they impress along the way. Maybe try that line again.
    In any case I think the Habs will be fighting all the way to make the playoffs. If training camp was any indication. They’re no better than last year.
    Hate to say this. They’re still soft, and get injured easily which will not help matters!!

    • Timo says:

      I agree… Habs are not better than last season, especially on offense. Same players who are expected to score will be the same players that will shut down by the opposition with ease.

      Michael Therrien’s second year won’t be as rosy as his first. Honey moon will be over pretty soon.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Not better, eh?
        Damn, we’ll just have to settle for 2nd in the East, then.

        Let’s just hope that the injuries stay away for the playoffs this time.

        I agree, the Therrien Honeymoon will be over soon. We’ll be onto the Happily Married life now! Enough of unrealistic expectations; we’ll just have to make do with a coach who gets his best players to perform well, who brings rookies along the right way, and who keeps the ship steady.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • JO says:

        Matty you’re forgetting 82 Games that’s why they’ll be fighting till the end for a playoff position!! Timo is right on with his comment.

  15. Ron says:

    Arpon Basu RT that they expect cuts back to Hamilton this morning.

    Best to get the starting line up practicing together the next few days. The Dogs need to do the same.

    Only 13 skaters and 2 goalies at practice today.

  16. Luke says:

    Looks like the Sens are giving the Habs the same youngster treatment from last night…

    Sens lines: Stone Smith Conacher; Puempel Zibanejad Hoffman; Dziurzynski Grant Robinson; Kassian O’Brien Lazar

    Dpairs: Claesson-Borowiecki; Cowen-Wideman; Sdao-Ceci

    Net: HabinBurlington

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  18. Walmyr says:

    Good morning guys,

    Just passing by to tell you that I am very happy with our group of D prospects. As some of you already said, despite the result (5 x 2) Nygren, Pateryn, Dietz and Beaulieu played a good game. We have to think about the pressure those kids felt. It was the last chance (in pre-season at least) for them to show their game to MT. I believe the Bulldogs games will be pretty fun to watch this season.

    About Tinordi. Well, I honestly think he is ready. And the most important: We need him right now.

    Sorry about my english…cheers!

  19. HardHabits says:

    The Habs will finish between 6th and 10th this season.

    I still can’t get over how retarded Metropolitan Division sounds. And yeah right… Montreal, Toronto and Detroit are Atlantic cities. And 16 teams vying for 8 spots is as fair as 14 teams vying for 8 spots.

    Bettman is such an idiot. The NHL sucks. I look forward to the WJC and the Olympics.

  20. Ron says:

    Murray update: according to Habs web site he is at practice today.

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    Ottawa icing a forward lineup tonight, much like ours last night.

    tsn_wally: Sens lines: Stone Smith Conacher; Puempel Zibanejad Hoffman; Dziurzynski Grant Robinson; Kassian O’Brien Lazar

    Spezza not on ice again today….. have to wonder if he isn’t having back troubles still.

    Their Dpairings are also like ours last night.
    tsn_wally: Dpairs: Claesson-Borowiecki; Cowen-Wideman; Sdao-Ceci

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    So now that Thomas lasted 1 day longer than Kristo, safe to say Thomas is sent to Hamilton now?

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Re: Darren Dietz, this is his real first test of NHL games, I don’t recall him sticking this long at Habs camps previous years before being sent back to Junior.

    He was an excellent responsible two way player at the Junior level. He will need time to adjust to the pro game and his first season at Hamilton should be very good for him. There should be no surprise that he looked out of place at times last night, he wasn’t a 1st round pick expected to make noise at the NHL level so soon after his junior career.

    I look forward to watching him learn the pro game in Hamilton this season.

    • krob1000 says:

      I liked the approach the HAbs took with the D last night…noone was insulated with a vet (Diaz is still a relatively new player himself). It was an opportunity to really see where they were…..I thought Diaz, Tinorid and Beaulieu were clearly a notch ahead of the next group with Nygren, Pateryn and Deitz. They need more work in their own end at the pro level…also must remember tehse are new systems and styles and a diff’t lineup every night. HAbs collapse thing int heir own end seemed to confuse the d…they all stood still and did very little to force the puck carrier in the corners, nbehind the net and also were losing positional battles in thight inside the hash marks and out front. That as you said takes experience. Youc ould see BEaulieu, Diazand Tinordi looked more comfortable in those situations…but still obviously looking like bottom piarings ugys as Ottawa dominated game down low.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      It’s important to remember that he is “Straight Outta Saskpton”, this is his first season as a pro, compared to Jarred Tinordi, Nathan Beaulieu, Greg Pateryn, and Morgan Ellis who all have one year in the AHL, and Magnus Nygren who has been playing in the SEL against men, and is 23. Darren is 20 and the youngest of the bunch, by seven months on Nathan Beaulieu, and more on the others.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MrQtOoQRpc

  24. habstrinifan says:

    ooder September 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm
    “after watching how we played new jersey i will be happy with more then 1 5 on 5 goal
    “.

    Remember this post! He’s more right than all the recollection that we were 4th or some gaudy ranking in offense last year. HABS NEED TO BE MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE 5 ON 5 to become an elite team.

  25. Sportfan says:

    Francois Gagnon wrote this on twitter
    Tinordi et Bournival, 2 seuls candidats pour le grand club
    Its easy to say that was a no brainer right?

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    • krob1000 says:

      Yup…it has sorted itself pretty easily…they stand alone above all of the others right now. Beaulieu may have been in the mix had he been healthy. He needs to show a willingness to mix it up occasionally as he is outpaced offesenively still by the likes of Subban, Markov and Diaz. For him to break thruogh he has to either wait until one of them moves on or add another dimension the others do not and be their equal offensively. HE is a very smooth skater but got caught causually going back for a puck ….has to hustle for all pucks at NHL level

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      Let’s play GM. Based on what we have seen so far, if you had to cut/trade 1 player on contract from the Forwards, Defense and Goalies, who would you let go.
      I’d start with Moen, Markov or Gorges, and Budja.

      • krob1000 says:

        Markov? What exactly have you seen to come up with that?

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Markov? Really?
        You sure you’re not a sens fan in Ottawa?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • krob1000 says:

        Lost a step…he has but all that means he has gone froma top 10 in the NHL dman to a top 25 dman in the NHL. He looks faster than last year anyway. Not exactly the type of player you trade if you have playoff aspirations.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s such a mishmash of a horrible opinion-slash-question, how are we supposed to respond? Cut/trade? Those are kind of enormously different aren’t they? What has Budaj done that he needs to be replaced, and with whom? Andrei Markov? What does he need to do to convince you? Multiply the loaves of hot dog buns at the New Forum?

  26. adamkennelly says:

    White needed to do something last night – and he stepped up and had a good game. He is on the team.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      …I don’t think there was any doubt in the first place.

      • commandant says:

        The question for me is not if he makes the team.

        Its if he starts on the fourth line or in the pressbox.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          Exactly Ben. There will be a rotation this year I suspect including White, Moen, Parros and perhaps Bournival.

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          Fair enough, but I think he’ll start in a majority of the games this year; especially when you consider the division we play in.

          Obviously, he doesn’t have the softest hands, but he skates like the wind, finishes his checks, fights and plays with a ton of heart – which is all you can ask for in a 4th liner imo.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            White impresses me a little less all the time. I used to love the guy. That said, he’s still young and he should get better at what he does.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            The day he came up and pounded Boychuk I became a fan. Last year was a big learning year for him. I think he understood and learned from his mistakes (as most humans do) and he’ll pick his spots better this year.

    • krob1000 says:

      Also got the winner the other night with that deflection

  27. krob1000 says:

    Boone…curious as to where you got the idea the Egg line would be the second wave of the pp? I would like to see that but I can’t imagine it happening. Dd’s line is obviously the first but to not give Pleks and Gionta the nod over the EGG line would be a slap in the face. They may occasionally get some time but I still think they are the third choice….probably best from a long term cap perspective as well..with Eller in a contract year

  28. Ian Cobb says:

    Tonight will not be a practice like we have witnessed over the past 6 evaluation scrimmage games.
    All able bodied veterans will be on the ice tonight for both teams. This should be our starting roster, barring further injury.
    The coaches have to get the lines set for the long haul, and I think they will show the long term lines and defense pairings tonight.!

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  29. habstrinifan says:

    Pateyrn looked definitely not ready! Tinordi looked absolutely ready. And Dietz looked like the smartest D-prospect.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Both Dietz and Pateryn will be in the hammer this year. Dietz was looking for his jock strap after the bobby Ryan goal. Other than that he looked fine. I think Dietz will be a good D man in a couple years.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • krob1000 says:

      Really? I thought Deitz had a very rough outing…getting beat several times at slower speeds and lost deep in the zone. He needs a while to adjust to the speed of the game.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He will develop fast I think. That Ryan goal he looked like me when I play D

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        that Nygren kid has a heck of a shot

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • habstrinifan says:

        Maybe your ‘image’ of him last night is too much based on that one play where he was beat by Ryan. Remember Ryan is an elite forward though. I didnt start out watching with him in mind but after a few plays along the boards where he won the puck and made crisp passes to get breakouts started I paid more attention..he impressed me.

        Edit did I spell paid right.. it looks wrong.. maybe cause it’s gotta do with money.

        • krob1000 says:

          he also got beat flatfooted by Michalek in the slot (and it was so slow like the other one) but Budaj saved the day, and I think it was him who watched Bobby Ryan very slowly walk out from behind the net….it seemed to take forever….before Ryan tried to feed someone across the crease. It seems he is not yet used to the ability of pros to change speeds…they kept slowing it down (many of the d had same problem last night)…and would trick the Habs into standing still…then they would accelearte and guys woould find holes and pounce. It was a thing that kept happening over and over …not just Deitz but I know he was one of the ones that had it happen a couple times really badly.

      • Ron says:

        I found the same thing about his game last night, not playing his position as well as he did in previous games. He got beat allot going for the puck as well as the blow by with Ryan.

  30. ClutchNGrab says:

    just bought The Sport Forcaster magazine for my fantasy pool. They predict the Stanley Cup to the Sens.

    I want a refund.


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