Liveblog: Canadiens lose 3-1 to Carolina; winless at the Bell Centre in preseason

The Canadiens’ power play, with Andrei Markov running it, went 0-for-8, including a wasted 5-on-3.

Carolina outhit the Canadiens 34-24.

Bournival and Daniel Brière each had six shots on goal.

In addition to their 42 shots on Khudobin, the Canadiens missed the net 17 times and 12 shots were blocked.

Corresponding numbers for Carolina were 27-7-10.

The Canadiens play host to the New Jersey Devils Monday night, by which time the training camp roster should be down to something approximating the lineup we’ll see opening night.

No cuts announed Saturday night, though.

The takeaway is two players who will be hard to cut: Bournival and Jarred Tinordi.

433 Comments

  1. timothy13 says:

    The only thing I worry about the Habs is Carey Price in this coming season. The man between the pipes has no courage, no passion, and frankly little spirit. The only hopeful sign is that the new GM will not tolerate BS excuses and will toss his bad play away to either another team or whatever to slow the painful gather moss of losses as they collect in the L status.

  2. rhino514 says:

    If MB could have seen into the future and seen Tinordi´s and Bournival´s performance, would he have signed Murray and Briere?
    Apparently, Briere is ok but is going to be injured alot. That´s EIGHT million in cap space over 2 years there.

  3. Stevie.Ray says:

    With Gally’s eventual move to center, and Bourque really more of a natural right winger, we are a bit shallow on Left Wing. So if Bournival can take his offensive game up a notch consistently, then he might be a good second line winger with Eller and Gallagher in a couple years. He kind of reminds me of Perron.

  4. The Jackal says:

    Has the meltdown started yet? Have the wackos been reminded that the pre-season does not mean anything at all?

    O_o

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    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Nope, everything seems normal around here.

    • rhino514 says:

      You are probably right. Bournival´s hot camp probably doesn´t mean much. Better he gets a chance to kick butt in Hamilton.
      It´s cool having him as the first injury call-up.
      One poster commented that MB is building the team as if half the team was going to be injured most of the time, it´s weird but that is what it looks like.
      Based on the last few seasons, and the fact that last year made us forget how long an 82 game season is, it may be a sound strategy.

  5. Timo says:

    Just opened a fresh one… here is to this being Michael Therrien’s last season as Habs coach.

  6. Stevie.Ray says:

    Let Bournival rip up the AHL before we bring him up. We’re switching to the late nineties/early aughts Red Wing model.

    Bournival, Leblanc, Thomas, Holland, Collberg, Hudon and Bozon: You have to earn your spot

  7. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I miss ‘the good ol’ dayz’ when We were allowed to have a spare squadron of Black Aces to keep the regulars on Their toes

  8. Timo says:

    Watching White more and more I start to doubt that he will ever amount to anything. As an agitator he is doing a pretty shitty job. He is also a rather lousy fighter and unless he goes Brad Marchand on opposition he has zero value. So if we are looking for a place for Bournival… perhaps Mr. White can take a bus to AHL?

  9. Timo says:

    If Habs are not playing against a goalie like Cam Ward of yesterday they will lose. Same old story – “shooters” can’t shoot shit.. and nobody is complicating the goalie’s life either.

    Couple more things:
    1. Markov and Diaz will be a disaster – 5 on 5 or on PP.
    2. If Tinordi is not top 6 then Bergevin is even a bigger idiot than I thought.

    Other than that… Canes sucked. Habs sucked more.

  10. Just A Guy says:

    Re. Bournival: Where on earth is the room to keep this guy? Habs already have 9 top 6 forwards plus Prust. Bergevin is building the team like he expects someone to be injured most of the time, but its still the case point. There was never any room in the first place.

    Just to do this exercise quickly MB won’t or can’t trade Pleks (too valuable), Eller (Pleks’ heir apparent), Desharnais (can’t…), Patches, Gallyx2 (untouchables), Bourque (size matters!), Gionta (well…) and Briere (NMC/NTC).

    Prust needs to play as well. So that’s 10 established NHL forwards that need at least top 9 minutes.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      How is Marc Bergevin responsible for building a team without any room? He brought in Daniel Brière, George Parros and Douglas Murray, but released Yannick Weber, Tomas Kaberle, Michael Ryder, Jeff Halpern, Petteri Nokelainen, and I might be forgetting others. He actually resisted bringing in veterans like Simon Gagné and Brenden Morrow.

      The fact that young players are pushing the regulars for a roster spot is a good thing, not an brain cramp of Marc Bergevin. We’ve suffered in the recent past from a lack of depth, this shouldn’t be a problem in the near future.

  11. Sportfan says:

    Leafs fans are whining about Ott taking a slap shot a Dion Phaneuf LOL

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    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Tons of tweets on TSN about it and probably in the article detailing Reimer’s glorious performance in their victory over the Sabres.

      It’s always like that: lots of consternation and concern over anything that happens to the dear Leafs. Oh no! Poor Lupul and his back. Kadri took a shot off his hand – let’s all have a moment of silence and prayer for our Young Leaf. Bernier left after the first period! We need to calm everyone down, and let’s all collectively hope as a nation that he is okay!

  12. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …besides the fight with mini-mite Gerbe, what concerned Me was seeing Eric Stall trying to rip off Brendan’s head in the crease while He was looking for a loose puck …first, peeved the ref let it slide and Stall not penalized, but more-so that one of Our bigger boys did not go after Stall

    …Our bigger Players will have to look after those that are going too far trying to beat down Gallagher and make them think twice about it, otherwise it will get very dangerous for Gallagher this season

    …if a Stall can get away with it without reciprocation, think what a Fraser, Thornton or other NHL troglodytes will feel free-reign to do ?

  13. Bill says:

    Seriously, eight pre-season games, 82 regular season games … go a round and a half in the playoffs and guys are playing 100 hockey games a year. It’s crazy.

    I remember seeing stats that show that the playoff picture is 90% decided by the end of November. Not a lot of movement after that.

    We need a two-week training camp, maybe three exhibition games, a 50 game regular season, and three playoff rounds. I loved the 48 game season last year.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      Totes.
      It’s just more and more diluting.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Strummer says:

      Pre-season games are a money grab. Why else would Carolina play their pre-season games up here? They couldn’t draw flies in Dixie.

      4 games would be sufficient
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    • Habilis says:

      I agree with you in principle, because there’s no doubt that a 48 game schedule would produce better playoff races with more teams involved on a yearly basis. Probably less injuries too, meaning better competition on the ice.

      But the caveat is that with so many less games, the revenue would plummet. Players would make less in turn and more of them would leave for the KHL and other Euro leagues. Talent level drops, people stop going to games, maybe a few teams even fold. Pretty soon it’s a second rate league where fighting is the main draw. I’m exaggerating, but not by much. It’s the sole reason why we’ll never see the NHL trim the schedule, barring another expansion of course. More games = more money. Greed is good.

      Not to mention that the off-season would be twice as long for us loyal, suffering Habs fans. ;)

  14. durocher says:

    Tinordi in for Diaz, Bournival in for Moen

    Max-DD-Gally11
    Bourque-Pleks-Gio
    Gally27-Eller-Briere
    Prust-Bournival-White/Parros

    Markov-Subban
    Gorges-Tinordi
    Murray-Cube

    People will be going on waivers, we can see if anyone pops up who would be better than White.

    • Bill says:

      What’s Bournival going to do playing with Prust and Parros? He really fits in nicely there … not.

      Bournival would need to replace a top-nine forward. Briere will no doubt be injured soon enough. Or Gionta could tear both triceps. That’s where he’ll get slotted.

      And that is one incredibly slow D corps you have constructed. Murray and Cube together? Only if Subban and Markov can play 40 minutes a game. Not to mention that the bottom four couldn’t move a puck if they swallowed one with a gallon of Ex-Lax. At least put Diaz in for Bouillon and let the old man rest a bit.

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  15. Kooch7800 says:

    If Tinordi doesn’t make this team something is wrong.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  16. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Would you guys want Bournival to make this team as a forth liner, or want him to play top 6 minutes with the dogs?
    I see Bournival as a third liner, not a forth.

  17. Mattyleg says:

    Hi.
    Before anyone starts blowing the Khudobin horn, I was at the game tonight, and none of our chances were quality.
    We made him look very good.
    Most shots were from the outside, and there were next to no rebounds because they were high.
    We missed the far side of the net approximately 1,000 times.

    Carolina, on the other hand, had very few chances, but capitalised on them because they were of good quality.

    We looked young and uncertain.
    Lots of passing off of the puck and very little individual confidence.

    It’s still the preseason though, and many players (Gally, Bourque, Pleks, Markov) showed glimpses of who they really are – and will be, while some young players (Tinordi, Thomas, Dietz, Bournival) showed some promising stuff, and look like they’ll be exciting in the future.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  18. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Moen, White and Blunden

    …these are 3 that keep coming to My mind, asking Myself WHY ??? do We need these Guys ?

    …Moen has put His play on auto-pilot, playing without the fire and commitment a Player like He absolutely needs to be effective …White’s decision-making is an on-going liabilty, and His skills are easily replaced …Blunden, with excellent size and good wheels for a large man, but once a puck is on His stick He plays it like a live hand-grenade

    …it’s My opinion, Bournival, McCarron and Louis Leblanc would be much more productive, effective and a dangerous presence on the ice

    …Bournival’s play speaks for itself, a potential Guy Carbonneau skill-level …McCarron the massive body that can skate, has excellent hockey-sense, and the hands to learn how to actually have a potential to put a biscuit in the cookie-jar

    …there is the risk that it may be too soon for McCarron, but Our Habs today, compared to past years, have innumerable specialized assistant coaches to support, encourage and develop Micheal’s skills and confidence there in Montreal without losing Him for one or 2 years in the OHL

    …Louis Leblanc needs a couple months of humility in Hamilton and ice-time to re-learn His game and confidence

    …to Me, Louis, Bournival and McCarron gives Us much more of a presence and a threat to help Us this season than a Moen, a White and a Blunden

    • Tyhudg says:

      So you are suggesting we use those three for our fourth line to start the year? Are you insane? We need grit and toughness on the 4th line. McCarron does not look great, and he is playing against weak competition. He would not survive a full season at this point, no question. He needs to play every day in a lower league for at least a year, probably 2, possibly 3+. Plus that is not the 4th line you are going to see during the season. Look for one of those three to be in the lineup on a night to night basis (Probaby not Blunden)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I think Mike Blunden is a good cheap piece, a callup that can be useful if we can stash him in Hamilton for when he’s needed. Waivers will be tricky.

      Travis Moen and Ryan White had a difficult half-season, let’s see what happens this year. They’re still assets, commodities who can bring a good return if unloaded at the right time. While we have some talented young forwards in the system, we have no one in the lineup in Hamilton who can bring a physical presence and an edge, so we have to tread lightly when thinking of disposing of these two.

  19. jedimyrmidon says:

    Anyone think that, despite the frequent size and lack of physicality criticisms, the Habs actually have one of the defenses that are better at properly laying out a solid hit (i.e. are good enough to not injure the other player and yet lay a solid hard hit)?

  20. Bim says:

    Is it just me or is Rene Bourque just totally useless. The guy’s hands are made of steel. On a team that needs scoring I just don’t see how he fits in. I’d take Bournival over him any day. I also like Christian Thomas too. I can see him replacing Ryan White. Whitey looks like he’s just skating in circles out there. It’s time for some new blood.

  21. Un Canadien errant says:

    This is a much easier game when it’s your goalie who’s stopping everything, not the other guy. Your veterans look ready and in charge, your rookies have this gleam about them, you wonder how many rookie defencemen you can carry on your roster at the same time, is it three, or four? Five?

    Anton Khudobin, as if he already hadn’t done enough as a Bruin, thwarted all our efforts tonight, stopping fourty shots before finally allowing a carom goal off Michaël Bournival’s shin pad. Yeah, him again. Anyway, Mr. Khudobin finished with a .976 save percentage.

    Carey Price’s successes were more muted, allowing 3 goals on 27 shots. While some will jump at this result and cry foul, I think we need to remember that he’s now working with a new goalie coach, and we should probably permit him an adjustment period, to work in some new concepts. Again, it’s pointless to rant and rave, or act rashly, he’s a great talent, and should be given time to put things together. We’re going to dance with the one we brunged, and there’s not much we can do about that, unless Canadiens fans want Marc Bergevin to start sniffing around the Vancouver goal crease. Or to sign Tim Thomas.

    I wrote about yesterday’s game that this is a results business, and compared the situation of Michaël Bournival to Gabriel Dumont’s. Gaston Therrien tonight on l’Antichambre did much the same, and explained that Mr. Dumont has been disappointing during training camp, and been sent off the main practice ice to practice with the ‘B’ team at the Brossard rink. Meanwhile, Michaël gets another start tonight, and bags the team’s only goal by being in the right place at the right time. Thanks for that one Andrei, but it’s not as if that was Mr. Bournival’s highlight for the night, he again buzzed around all game, and was a threat on a few point-blank chances. Looking at the scoresheet, he and veteran sniper Daniel Brière led the team in shots with six(!) Marc Bergevin’s only hope at this point is to keep giving games and hope he cools off, and/or screws up a couple of times, or he’ll be in a real pickle, he’ll have to do something crazy like trade a veteran to give him a roster spot.

    Jarred Tinordi is making a strong case for himself too. Again, how quickly things change. Last night, all we could talk about was Greg Pateryn, Darren Dietz and Magnus Nygren, they’d collected points, showed something on offence. With the gate slammed shut by Mr. Khudobin, it wasn’t the offensively-inclined D-men who hogged the spotlight, but rather young Jarred, son of Mark Tinordi, the former scourge of the league and slayer of forwards who skated with their head down. Tonight, Jarred was a chip off the old block, drawing attention of the fans and management and pusillanimous ‘Canes with three thunderous bodychecks, all of them clean. His mobility and hard work in the gym are starting to pay off, he’s no longer gangly or spindly, he’s solid and verging on intimidating. He’s another kid who’s causing Marc Bergevin headaches, and he vaulted to the top of the list for us weathervane fans.

    The veterans worked at getting ready. Tomas Plekanec and René Bourque had many chances on net and played hard, maybe giving it 95%, and Daniel Brière showed he can play with anybody. Andrei Markov knew this was a tuneup game and acted like it. He’s earned that dispensation, but it doesn’t apply to Raphaël Diaz, who needs to show that he’s a starting defenceman, with the youngsters nipping at his heels.

    So a game that generated many fewer high-fives than that of the preceding evening. Not a great result, but sometimes these can’t be helped.

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  22. jols101 says:

    Those with better French skills, Ryan White is being mentioned a lot on L’Antichambre. What are they saying about him? Thanks.

  23. JUST ME says:

    O.K. i`ve seen enough. Always find the pre-season schedule too long . Except for last season of course but i think we need practices now. Repeat plays,make strategies and look at videos of what needs to be worked on.

    Boy the 3 MTL teams lost today ….

  24. Danno says:

    Future of Guimauve La Tenderness discussion next on L’AntiCHambre

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  25. Bill says:

    I will add that Gauthier’s move to trade up and grab Tinordi is looking pretty good.

  26. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I was for Pateryn making the team but after the last two games…I don’t know. His decision making is not up to par yet. Tinordi should make the team as he brings an element the team lacks with Emelin injured. Maybe I’m wrong but the obvious D-lineup seems to be:
    Subban-Markov
    Gorges-Tinordi
    Diaz-Murray/Boullion
    Tinordi should not be made to play his wrong side. Gorges has played his best on the right side with a large D-man next to him.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  27. Nakasuga says:

    Missed watching the game tonight, wondering how Murphy for Carolina looked (former student of mine)?

  28. Sportfan says:

    So yeah go Habs go?

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  29. Bill says:

    @Trini: Tinordi laid a nice hit tonight, but I maintain that he’s not a very physical player and won’t be. What no one seems to understand is that I don’t mean that as a criticism. He’s defensively solid, reasonably mobile, makes a decent first pass. He doesn’t have to be the bone-crusher everyone wants him to be. So I haven’t changed my mind on him, but I do like him.

    Know who changed my mind tonight? Bournival. I think he should stay up.

  30. BJ says:

    If Bergevin is true to his word, you keep Bournival and Tinordi and I can’t see Diaz or White’s usefulness on this team. Price is also a concern, I have tried to keep positive about him but he really does not inspire too much confidence.

  31. habstrinifan says:

    Boone:
    “My daughter, attending the game tonight courtesy of my great and good friend Paul Antoniadis, asks why only boy childern got Zamboni rides and got to pose with Youppi”

    Attah girl! How old is she Boone? Good for her!

  32. habstrinifan says:

    What’s the talk on Anti-Chambre re Gallagher. It was important enough that the mentioned he would be a topic in the intro. I heard “question de Gallagher”.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That he won’t fly under the radar this season, that he’ll be a target, and he’ll have trouble replicating the success of last season, he’ll take a beating.

      • olematelot says:

        Thats what he trives on, if they key on him then that leaves others more ice.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Read my post below. We do not want another ‘unproductive’ run-around guy even one with some pugnacity. We need point producers.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            Not sure why you choose Gallagher to make your point when you’re such a strong proponent of Bournival who fits the mold even more: good skater, great at moving non-stop, in-so-far average offensive abilities.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks!
        I am glad they are thinking like that. Remember in my response to you I voiced a concern re his play this year. And because of that ‘target on his back’, he cant be the tempest for his line, the instiagtor, the pest… all the time. He cannot ‘respond’ to that targeting by upping his ‘truculence’.

        He has to focus his game so that he solidifies all his skills (he has lots untapped) with his determination and bravery and aggressiveness in becoming a ‘purposeful player’. I think Bournival on the team will help him and inspire him.

        Guess I aint that stooopid after all when I ‘detect’ trends.

  33. vegas says:

    Habs announce that no one is cut tonight

  34. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …2 that best made the case to stay is Bournival and Tinordi

    …I once had hope for White, but feel now I’ve lost the last of it

  35. vegas says:

    Slap Tinordi with Subban
    Gorges on the right side of Markov
    and roll the dice on the other 2
    He’s convinced me

  36. habstrinifan says:

    One game Bill, but did Tinordi change your mind re his physicality. Not only does he hit, he hits cleanly.

  37. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone caught the ‘intro’ to anti-chambre. What wa sthe ‘question’ about Gallagher?

  38. Propwash says:

    Blow it up, move the team to Vegas.

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  39. Feraco says:

    Bring on Anti Chambre lol

  40. Danno says:

    How many chances did Bourque miss?
    And Gallagher hit the post at least three times…

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  41. durocher says:

    Finally, some fight from the Habs. Too little, too late.

  42. Feraco says:

    Khudobin game of his life


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