Liveblog: Canadiens lose 3-1 to Carolina; winless at the Bell Centre in preseason

The Canadiens’ power play, with Andrei Markov running it, went 0-for-8, including a wasted 5-on-3.

Carolina outhit the Canadiens 34-24.

Bournival and Daniel Brière each had six shots on goal.

In addition to their 42 shots on Khudobin, the Canadiens missed the net 17 times and 12 shots were blocked.

Corresponding numbers for Carolina were 27-7-10.

The Canadiens play host to the New Jersey Devils Monday night, by which time the training camp roster should be down to something approximating the lineup we’ll see opening night.

No cuts announed Saturday night, though.

The takeaway is two players who will be hard to cut: Bournival and Jarred Tinordi.


  1. durocher says:

    Good job by Tinordi sticking up for Bournival

  2. Bozo McBozo says:

    Sabs textbook 2 on 1. What a beauty!

  3. Mavid says:

    2-0 so do we suck Price horrible yet..

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  4. slapshot777 says:

    I think when the season starts White will be in Hamilton. In the preseason games so far that he has played he has done nothing but take penalties and lose his stick.

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  5. Bozo McBozo says:

    I’m freakin’ dying! Reimer has been working on his core strength all summer long! What about working on stopping the puck?

  6. Un Canadien errant says:

    Come on Whitey, former Leafs are open season, don’t hesitate.

  7. durocher says:

    White and Blunden look like 4th liners on an AHL team

  8. Sportfan says:

    Will there be less dumb penalties when the season starts?

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  9. savethepuck says:

    Looks like the Habs goalies won’t be playing 1/2 game tonight.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  10. gumper says:

    That’s quite the dainty little pp they go goin’ on.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  11. Propwash says:

    Release has to be quicker.


  12. danhabsfan says:

    Somebody tell them posts don’t count… That’s 3

  13. Bozo McBozo says:

    Just love it. Watching the Leafs/Sabres. Commenting on Habs/Canes. Like being in the House of Representatives and following the German elections!

  14. punkster says:

    Young Habs D looking shaky again…you can place both goals on them.

    Nice hit by Tinordi puts him way out of position.


  15. twilighthours says:

    Pateryn looking more AHL-ready than NHL-ready in this one.

  16. Habilis says:

    That one was on Pateryn. Tinordi demolished Skinner and the puck went right to Pateryn, he coughed it up for the 2 on 0.

    Tinordi is a monster. Am I the only one who wants to see him paired with PK, eating 25 minutes a night?

  17. durocher says:

    Nice forecheck and turnover by Bournival

  18. Dickie9 says:

    Never been one to complain about our goalie…but Price scares me..can he be good I am really beginning to doubt he is elite..he has been giving the world and has never performed

  19. The Dude says:

    Glove side …the Price is wrong!

  20. durocher says:

    Beauty of a hit by Tinordi, not a good play by Pateryn. St-Pierre also should have kept up with his assignment.

  21. Danno says:

    Tinordi is rattling some bones tonight


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  22. Propwash says:



  23. Bob_Sacamano says:

    @HabFab: The food was either good or poor, nothing in between. We went to Mongolia afterwards and there it was very bad most of the time, especially here:

    They offer what should be the worst food on this planet.

  24. Strummer says:

    No rink board advertising in Buffalo tonight.

    Very retro!
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  25. habs001 says:

    Bourque needs a thicker many times last year he fanned on shots and passes and he has done it a couple of times this game

  26. Harditya says:

    I have definitely jumped on the Tinordi bandwagon. He’s been that effective. He’s been good positionally, physically and can shut down players from the pre-season games I’ve watched. He’s ahead of Bouillon, Murray on the depth chart, no question. Pateryn is making a case too. If I am Bergevin I am looking to deal one of the defensemen before regular season. Or simply waive Drewiske I guess..

  27. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    Staal is acting like a thug tonite. A captain in the mold of Le Gros Bill he most certainly is not!

  28. jols101 says:

    Gallagher gives me a bit of a chubby every shift. The kid is amazing…

    The brain trust better not think of demoting Tinordi. He is a machine out there. He is a NHL D.

  29. sirs81 says:

    E stall I hope someone rocks him enough to teach him to leave the little ones alone 🙂

  30. Danno says:

    Gallagher only has one gear.


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  31. durocher says:

    Nice move by Tinordi at the point, he’s ready

  32. jrshabs1 says:

    Price cannot be the weak link. Someone has tell him not play the puck. He negates an icing then flubs the pass..c’est la but.

    Go Habs Go!!

  33. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    Hey, what happened to the Therrien Swarm? Bettman outlaw that too, along with the Jersey Tuck?

  34. Harditya says:

    Good save by Khudobin on Thomas! wow

  35. rhino514 says:

    Give Tinordi the sixth spot already, he´s ready. And keep Bournival up while you´re at it.
    Anyone think Drewiske would be claimed on waivers?

  36. durocher says:

    Not a great shift for Pateryn, he needed a change

  37. kirbhabs says:

    That is some ugly hockey

  38. HabFab says:

    Diaz is so cerebral!

  39. petefleet says:

    Blunden just can’t finish!! Stone hands. 3 or 4 chances already. Tinordi is a stud.

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

  40. NLhabsfan says:

    I wouldn’t bother watching the LAFFS play..Just the thought of makes me puke.

  41. Mark C says:

    Nate Gerbe another reminder that Brian Gionta is the only good thing to come from BC.

    • Bozo McBozo says:

      Joey Mullen, Corey Schneider, Chris Kreider…What a dick!

      • Mark C says:

        Jokes are hard to understand sometimes aren’t they?

        • Bozo McBozo says:

          Nice try! Only when they are not funny. Like the choice between playing Major Junior and being abused, or getting an education at a US university that will last long beyond your playing days.

          • HabFab says:

            CHL players are entitled to a year of paid tuition at a Canadian University for each year of CHL play. Little know fact.

          • Bozo McBozo says:

            Calm down. Sean Walsh was from White Plains about ten miles south of me. Another kid from the area was a walk on at the Black Bears who locals still talk about with reverence. My high school linemate? He was a Hobey Baker finalist. Not too shabby for a team from the South Bronx.

          • Mark C says:

            Sigh. I’m a UMaine fan so my original post was taking a shot at a rival school, mr. Bozo nofun.

          • HabFab says:

            Haha, you got me. A diversionary move between two of my favorite posters south of the border. Sue me 🙂

  42. Stevie.Ray says:

    For the record, Dietz will be an NHL stud.

    He is the cliche first guy on the ice, last guy off gym rat.

  43. Propwash says:

    Getting a wee bit nasty on the ice…


  44. Propwash says:



  45. Habilis says:

    That was a serious fight. Tinordi wants on this team something wicked. I love this kid.

  46. Psycho29 says:

    Just Tweeted:

    Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 25s

    Penguins announce Tomas Vokoun needed a blood clot dissolved in his pelvis. He will be out indefinitely. Yeesh, hope he’s ok.

  47. Marc10 says:

    Gui! Done like dinner in Phoenix. Switzerland is calling…

  48. HabFab says:

    Islanders are playing their exhibition game tonight in the Brooklyn Barkley Center… their new home for next year I believe.

  49. Propwash says:

    TD Als…


  50. Marc10 says:

    I’m liking what I’ve seen from a lot of rookies at camp. Hudon, McCarron and Collberg stood out for me. Lots of skill from the ‘normal’ sized kids and surprisingly good hockey sense from le Grand slack! Another example of why Timmins is at the head of the class, eh.

  51. Chuck says:

    Hopefully at least one Montreal professional sports team will win today.
    Anything is possible.

  52. Bill says:

    @Maritime Ronn: people who don’t appreciate Plekanec baffle me. It’s hard to appreciate their opinions.

  53. Habilis says:

    Saw Geoff Molson this morning with his kids and dog. I told him that if Price looks shaky tonight, he’d have me to answer to, and his Golden would have to go 10 rounds with my Sheppard.

    OK so I didn’t really say any of that. In fact all I did was smile and nod while my dog sniffed his. I was thinking: How do I know that guy? It only hit me after we had parted ways. He does have a nice looking dog though, mine also approved with a vigorous tail wag. 😀

  54. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I believe I’ll tune in to RDS tonight and check the game out. Practice my French at the same time. On y va!

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  55. H.Upmann says:

    always good to have the Booner back

  56. kirbhabs says:

    Are you guys not doing the play by play thingy that was/is in Beta?

    Or is there a big roll out for the regular season a la Apple…

  57. Chuck says:

    Let’s see if they can build off of that fine effort from last night. Go Habs Go!

    Anything is possible.

  58. Ian Cobb says:

    Mr. Boone, are you blogging from the Bell Center all year! Great if you are, but your dog will miss you!


    “Some fantastic raffle prizes this year folks!”
    Please bring your charity gift donations promptly at 3pm to the Baton Rouge.
    Raffle tickets will be sold at 3pm as well.
    “$20 ea. and 3 tickets for $40.”
    This is the money that goes to the Canadiens Children Foundation, so buy as many raffle tickets as you can.
    And every one of us gets to choose a wonderful gift to take home.

    On Oct. 25th
    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out by Shane and Sherrie.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation Charity Raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.

    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, HIO members will have donated over $10,000. We are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for our HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

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  59. sweetmad says:

    I know of one HABS place in Van city it is on Davie St,it was a French bakery now I understand it has tables don’t know if they sell beer,but they show every HABS game there,there are ithers but I don’t know them some one else might be able to tell you.

  60. Trisomy 21 says:

    Decision time: Should I subscribe to tonight? I normally can’t care less about the preseason. Also, should i watch the game with or without pants, if I do decide to watch…. Life is too difficult

  61. Bob_Sacamano says:

    “Hey, who were those guys romping to victory Friday night in Quebec City?
    Surely not the Montreal Canadiens who dropped their first two exhibition games.”

    Yeah, no excuse for the game against the Sabres who never had the lead and won in a meaningless shootout.

  62. Mike D says:

    Welcome back, Mr. Boone!
    We missed ya!

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny
    The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

  63. topher5468 says:

    Why is the blog box so small?.

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  64. Maritime Ronn says:

    One item Coach Therrien mentioned about Alex Galchenyuk was that, ” He was going to have more responsibilities this year.”

    That statement was somewhat cryptic and open ended.
    What did it mean?
    Perhaps this?

    Galchenyuk played on the 1st Unit Penalty Kill last night.
    (Moen-Plex-Eller did not dress)
    Will that carry over to the season, and is this is what Coach Therrien meant…and WHY not?

    Last year, the Habs ranked 23rd on the PK, and was 1 of only 2 teams that did not score a short handed goal.

    During the last complete NHL season, the NJ Devils lead the NHL in PK and the ‘spirit breaking’ Short Handed goals with 15.

    Their 1st Unit PK was Zack Parise and Zubrus followed by Elias and Henrique – all excellent skating, offensive threats that change an opponent’s PP thinking.
    A mistake with these guys on the ice could end up being a goal.
    We had nothing of that last year.
    Habs need to be more aggressive on the PK and put some fear in an opponent’s PP.

    The 23rd ranked Habs Top 4 PK forwards in minutes played last year was this.
    In order:

    Move Moen out, and put Galchenyuk in that spot with Plex and there will be a lot more worry going on for an opponent.

    Face-offs and puck control on the PK are key.
    If Plex is booted out of the Faceoff circle, a natural Center like AG then takes the draw.
    While these numbers are both subpar, when Moen had to take a faceoff, he was 40% last year.
    AG was 42.8%, and with added strength and experience, he can only get better

    • on2ndthought says:

      I’d love to see Pleks-Chuck with PK on the PK. Keep the other team honest especially those who use a forward on the point. Eller-Prust as second PK pairing and we should improve. Now if Chuck can just give Pleks some breakaway tips 😉

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Big Plex fan here.

        This guy is so underrated by several, and he’ll only turn 31 at the end of October.

        He is one of the best 2-way forwards in the NHL and on several occasions was stuck with a merry-go-round of minor league linemates.

        He is always given the toughest D responsibilities, yet has managed to be an almost consistent + 20 goal scorer in his past 7 Habs seasons.

  65. habs1992 says:

    Guys great game last night, but chill out. ITS ONLY PRESEASON.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  66. Gerry H says:

    Welcome back, Boone!

  67. keviathan says:

    We have all kinds of stats and power rankings for players, does such a thing exist for GMs? I did some quick google searching and only came up with a few expert opinion type lists ranking GMs. Obviously it could be a little tricky because the GM is several steps removed from what happens in the dressing room and on the ice – however, I’d argue that in the long term having a good GM is the biggest contributor to success. What criteria would you use to rank GMs more objectively? I’m thinking of a formula that combines things like points, playoff wins, team +/-, draft picks available, team payroll, free agent signings etc…does this exist? If not what do you think the criteria should be?

    • matt jordan says:

      A Stanley Cup on occasion says a little bit

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Ken Holland of Detroit was quoted last year to the effect that it takes ….not 2-3 or 5 years, yet about 10 years to fully grasp and evaluate all the moves and possible repercussions of a GM’s drafts and trades.
      5 may not be enough – 10 years may be too long, yet the message is clear.

      Ken Holland has great credibility since being named the Red Wings GM in 1997.
      He has 3 Cups as a GM/1 as an Assistant GM, and his teams are always competitive and the org. just keeps attracting good hockey players.
      They have not missed the playoffs since 1990

  68. db says:

    Are there any Habs friendly bars in Vancouver? I just moved here in the offseason.

  69. Stevie.Ray says:

    Not really fair to give the quick pot-shot against Gauthier. He got us Eller, Bourque, Bournival, Cole, emelin over from Russia, and had a below average team challenging for a playoff spot each year except for the last one despite being the most injured team in the league two out of three years in a row. There wasn’t anything he could do about injuries. There wasn’t anything he could do about Gomez’s suck. The team wasn’t very good, but he was clearly trying to set the table for a youth movement (which is why we have so many good prospects now) while not completely tanking like the Oilers. Sure, he could have handled some situations differently. Cammalleri should either have not started that game, or finished it, but that’s on Feaster too. The hiring and firing of coaches is always a touchy subject, but Martin had a bad team competing every night (minus shoot out and ot goals, the last place team was -4 in goal differential. That’s a lot of 1 goal games), and Cunneyworth was always said to be the interim head coach. Of course Kaberle was a bust but at the time we needed a pp qb and he was all that was available and we didn’t give up anything to get him. Maybe his PR could have been better, but not everyone is as gregarious as MB.
    We won the division last year and have a bright future ahead and a lot of the credit should go to Gauthier.

    • SPATS says:

      Many great points. How quickly we throw them under the bus…


    • vegas says:

      you make some good points Stevie
      I am not to fond of Bergevins moves so far
      Moen Contract
      DD contract before the playoffs
      Drewiskie, not needed
      Boullion renewal, we needed to get bigger
      Briere, Murray and Parros, let’s hope they pan out

    • JF says:

      I agree that Gauthier made some good moves. It certainly looks as though he won the Halak trade, and Bournival for Ryan O’Byrne is also looking good. The jury is still out on the Cammalleri trade (except the way it was handled), but Rene Bourque looked good last year, Holland has looked surprisingly good in the pre-season, and we got a high second-rounder. We also saved a considerable amount of cap space. And, as you point out, he was able to get draft picks for players who weren’t in the Habs’ plans. On the negative side, we lost Sergei Kostitsyn for nothing, ditto Maxim Lapierre.

      But more than that, Gauthier seemed to be trying to run the show single-handed. Habs’ management had little more than a skeleton staff, with no one whose job was player development, and little communication between Gauthier and anyone else in the organization. The players never had any idea what was going on, to the point that it could be argued that Gauthier did not treat them with respect.

      Above all, Gauthier seemed to have no overall plan within each season. He was constantly improvising. My impression was that he tended to over-estimate the quality of his roster, and then had to scramble to cover the short-comings. This, combined with all the injuries, meant that we were giving away assets for little return.

      So yes, Gauthier made some good moves, but overall he was not a good GM.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        I’m not saying he was something great. Just that he doesn’t deserve to the disrespect all of the time. He seemed to me like he was running the team a bit too businesslike or as the Boss might say he “needed a little of that human touch”, which has its positives and it’s negatives.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Perhaps when all is said and done with Mr. Gauthier, he most likely will be judged as a good hockey man.

      That mentioned, hockey has morphed into “Big Business” with other huge responsibilities such as community relationships (marketing responsibilities) and what every successful Executive does – create an org., surround himself with top notch people that compliment his skills, and creating an open, harmonious, and transparant atmosphere of Team Work… while being strong enough to make decisions based on accumulated information.
      Management 101 – or Best Practises.

      On the hockey part, Mr. Gauthier most probably will pass with flying colors.
      On the latter part, he was an abysmal failure.

  70. Fransaskois says:

    Considering this will be my first post in nearly two months, I thought I’d make it a contentious one….

    If there’s one forward in Montreal who escapes reproach and trade proposals, it’s MaxPac. The wolverine, the leading scorer, the only forward on our team with any size! All wonderful attributes to have but, can he do more? Is Max Pacioretty a difference maker?

    Over the past season, and during this camp/preseason, we have seen Max attempt to incorporate a new element into his game – perimeter play. We were all so impressed with his ability to drive the net during his time playing alongside Cole, why the change? I’ve seen Pacioretty evolve from a gritty-passer in his junior years, a possession-driver in his time in the AHL, a power forward with a nose for the net during the season before last, and now I believe he plays as a complimentary scoring forward/sniper. When was the last time we saw Pacioretty driving the play? Creating chances? Being involved physically? He is currently playing a one-dimensional game when he is truly a multi-faceted offensive player. I think Pacioretty is ready to incorporate all of these skills and abilities and take himself to the next level.

    I think it’s time for Patches to be the go-to guy on offence and the only way for this to occur is by cutting the cord between Pacioretty and Desharnais. Max is ready to take the next step from being used as a line mate, to a player who uses his line mates. He’s ready to take a leadership role on the team in terms of creating and finishing offence.

    So, I think now’s the time to quit accepting excuses for inconsistent play and poor defensive play. I think he’s ready to start growing with our future #1 centre and helping make Galchenyuk into the elite scoring player he should be. If we want our young players to succeed, it needs to start with our scoring leaders showing them how.

    Thoughts? Feelings?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’m always going to stick up for Max. He did allow in interviews early in camp that he has heard it from his Twitter followers, he’s aware that they want him to drive the net more.

      One consideration is that scorers like Max look for open space to operate. With Brendan Gallagher on his line, is it possible that he finds open space in the periphery, since Brendan is always mucking it up in front of the net and dragging defenders with him? Brendan plays the way he plays, occupies the front of the net, regardless of his stature deficit, and Max circles around off the slot and waits.

      • Fransaskois says:

        I’m not just looking for driving the net, Max is much more than that. Whenever I saw him compete through junior and even in the AHL (apart from his time with DD), he’s been a playmaker and a possession driver. I have not seen any of that from Max over the last year. He’s over simplified his game and pigeon-holed himself into becoming a uni-dimensional scorer. I think he’s capable of being a stand-alone offensive threat and not relying on playmakers to create offence for him.

    • on2ndthought says:

      I think he tried to do some different things last night, creating turnovers with his speed (against a bad D group) and carrying the puck a bit more. Your glowing analysis aside, the truth is DD has much greater vision on the ice and is therefor better suited to playmaking. Time seemed to crawl for him last night, again against poor D. Some players just have that vision, and those are the guys who make power forwards look like great players (Mr. Lucic, thank Mr. Krecji). The players that can do it all are top 5 draft picks (hello Chucky!)

      “a cannonading drive”

  71. Habitant in Surrey says:


    …love Him (mother ? …wife ? …children ?) …or hate Him …give credit to Gauthier in retrospect for several of Our more promising prospects and trades as well

    • Lafleurguy says:

      To be honest, I don’t notice much difference between the personalities displayed by Gauthier and the younger Scotty Bowman (who knows what their private personnas really are except of course their private circles). Winning absolves many things. Gauthier also got assets for Andrei Kostitsyn and Hal Gill in addition to what he got for Jaroslav, and no. 13. (Unfortunately, Dustin Boyd, Dan Ellis, and Nigel Dawes didn’t stick).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  72. Ton says:

    Sorry forgot to mention………….Timo miss you buddy!

  73. Ton says:

    ok…..hi everyone I’m back for another season….all the best to everyone and best of health…..hope we win a cup this year……

    I may get crap for this but lets give some credit to gainey for some good moves…..the stock pile of youth we have is his work….Patch trade and letting Souray and Komi walk were good moves! I know the Gomez trade was a bad one but overall a very good GM for us!

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