Liveblog: Sharks dead; Bruins, Rangers, Devils on the brink

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Fans in Boston and New York may have seen their last home games of the season.
The latest Jaro Halak impression was furnished by Craig Anderson, who stopped 41 shots in Ottawa’s 2-0 win at Madison Square Garden.

Saturday afternoon, with our old friend Benoit Pouliot in the penalty box for a brain-dead slash in a tie game, Troy Brouwer beat Tim Thomas with a shot that good goaltenders stop.
Washington heads home with a 3-2 series lead and can send the Cup champs to the golf course on Sunday. And Patrice Bergeron is questionable for Game 6.

Elsewhere, José Theodore shut out the Devils 3-0 to move Florida within one win of advancing to the Eastern Conference semi-final.

In St. Louis, the Blues roared back from a 1-0 deficit to beat San Jose 3-1 and advance in the playoffs for the first time since 2002.

The Sunday tripleheader begins at noon in Philadelphia, where Pittsburgh will try to even up its series with the Flyers.

At 3 p.m. in Washington, the Caps will try to eliminate the Stanley Cup champions.

Then at 8, the Canucks are at home trying to stay alive against L.A.

The only two teams to make the playoffs every year since the lockout are the Red Wings and Sharks.

They’re both gone.

How about a Stanley Cup final between Florida and Nashville?

TV ratings through the roof … NOT!

586 Comments

  1. jo_maka says:

    Saturday’s wishful thinking:

    1-EDM: Nail Yakupov. No-brainer, 1st line duty with RNH and Hall

    2-CBJ: Mikhail Grigorenko. Don’t believe the no-Russian hype. They lost Carter and have to make a run at the next best thing in this draft, passport be damned.

    3-MTL: Alex Galchenyuk Jr. ‘Nuff said.

    4-NYI: Ryan Murray. Because it would be a crime for them to pass up on the next Niedermayer, seeing how thin they are on D

    5-TOR: whoever left has the most upside-y truculence, provided he’s born and raised in Ontario, in the hope to make the raving persian rug display go berserk twirling dervish style, stroboscopic suits and all

  2. Stormin says:

    Hunter talking dirty behind Caps Bench in hopes of getting Semen flying again
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  3. habstrinifan says:

    While we enjoy Caps win… yes I am saying it, here’s some old news reading. Not sure I believe it though.

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bgc8Q?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=montreal-canadiens

  4. 1010 says:

    25 games for Torres. From one extreme to the other you moron Shanahan.

  5. Stormin says:

    Panthers and Devils cheer Knuble’s goal, hoping someone will watch their series from 6:30 until 7:00

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  6. HabinBurlington says:

    wow what a save by holtby. green and hamrlik are useless defensively together.

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    The Boone reverse jinx seems to be looking good.

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    The best part of this CBC broadcast is not having to listen to Bob Cole.

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  9. HabinBurlington says:

    Had to switch to the PGA golf during intermission. Just cannot watch those babbling idiots. The golf calmed me down thankfully.

  10. Stormin says:

    Fearless OT prediction
    Semin comes on ice after too many men penalty, and scores through the Timmy Thomas five hole
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  11. The Jackal says:

    The worst part about this is that now we can’t say Semen put the Bruins in a sticky situation… unless he scores the GWG

  12. EricInStL says:

    Hey Mike, yes Thornton is the spark for that team. The Bruins were sleepwalking through this game. The he took it upon himself to wake that team up. That’s what character players do.

    Montreal used to have those players, Nilan, Ferguson, Tremblay, Riseborough, Keane, Skrudland etc

    And Thornton is an exact replica of Nilan.

    • The Jackal says:

      We don’t like him cus he is a B. And we can have character players that are not complete tools/goons. Hopefully soon, players like Thornton will be dinosaurs.

  13. Stormin says:

    Pearls of wisdom from PJ oops i crapped my pants Stock
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  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Greg Millen’s mancrush on Thornton is scary… makes me wonder if he shares the same love for Semin.

  15. habstrinifan says:

    Man am beginning to hate 2011-2012 hockey. Second I start to enjoy something it turns sour.

    Oh Well… GO CAPS GO!

  16. frontenac1 says:

    Oh Crap! The Rat ties it up!Somebody Pop him Please!

  17. Mavid says:

    greg millethead…can hardly contain his glee….my kingdom for a decent hockey analysis..

  18. Aybara says:

    So according to Galley that shit.. When a Bruin knocks a guy down in front of the net it’s a “good hard hockey play.”
    Unbelievable I didn’t know that CBC was Canadian Boston Channel jeez.

    • The Jackal says:

      They got a lot of B(itches) sympathizers, and the CBC broadcasts have not usually been unbiased to begin with :S

      • Aybara says:

        It’s absurd. The fact that he complained about Semin doing it literally two minutes before is incredible. There is no attempt whatsoever to even pretend they aren’t biased.

  19. The Jackal says:

    I hate the Bruins, they are almost as bad as the Republican party. Washington, DON’T LET ME DOWN (x2)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would prefer to just be in agreement we all hate the Bruins. I am of the belief all Politicians are rotten lying scoundrels. Yes some are worse than others, but to think one group is innocent while the other is guilty seems nieve to me.

  20. habstrinifan says:

    CRAP! Spoke too soon.

  21. EricInStL says:

    time out please

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Thornton is such a stupid friking caveman, takes every free shot he can, Hamrlik gives him a tap and he runs to the ref. And Bruins and their fans call Habs whiners.

    • The Jackal says:

      Seriously what a dirty bunch of punks. They play like that because daddy Campbell let them and now its set a precedent that that’s how the Bruins play… WTF? I hope they get eliminated sooooo badly.

  23. habstrinifan says:

    Whoopee!
    Loving this. Apart from fact it’s a tightly played game… the Bruins are looking like “Geeeez where is Daddy Campbell when we need him?”

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Boston not doing anything well right now, LOVE IT!

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Alright! 2-0 Caps!!! I can’t believe I just said that.

    • smiler2729 says:

      If he played for the Kings, he’d be… wait for it… Regal Beagle.

      yuk yuk yuk, I kill me.

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  26. Aybara says:

    Listening to Galley cry about Semin crosschecking the Bruin on that goal when Boston does it every play is freaking priceless.

    Not to mention claiming Corvo got knocked over when he was obviously hit by a puck.

  27. smiler2729 says:

    Semen’s all over the ice in this series.

    What typo?

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Someone will give him a big contract this offseason, question is who?

      Edit, haha, missed the typo part… very funny Smiler!

      • smiler2729 says:

        Whoever wants Semen will pay big bucks for it.

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  28. HabinBurlington says:

    Does Claude Julien ever believe that a goal scored against his team is a legitamite goal?

  29. Talik Sanis says:

    It’s a good thing for the Bruins that Semin doesn’t show up when it counts.

  30. Habsolutely says:

    Semin got one past the goalie!! woohoo!

  31. otter649 says:

    Learned a new hockey term this playoff season (for the third time) a bad shot is he “Heeled The Shot”…….

  32. frontenac1 says:

    Unbelievable! Chara lovefest on CBC! Sickening!

  33. Mavid says:

    now thats a new penalty…2 minutes for getting sat on…

  34. Habsolutely says:

    Chara feels bad because he knows it was a dity hit and he knows he came within a hairs breadth of paralyzing MaxPac.

    • kerrgte says:

      Yes, he is a fabulous athlete whose parents were both Olympic athletes He is a true leader who plays to win. He’s also one of the toughest guys on the ice today.

      Notice that nobody crosses the line when he’s on the ice?

      I wish he played for our team.

        • kerrgte says:

          there is a tape clip of every single player doing something that most people probably wouldn’t like. He’s a fearsome d’man who would improve our club by 35% all by himself.

          It’s the job of paid referees to make these calls, not us sitting in front of the telly.

          It’s just easy to buy into these negative ideas about Chara.

          • The Jackal says:

            How do you quantify the amount he would improve a team?
            The refs and the NHL dept. of player safety have done an unsatisfactory job and “us in front of the telly” are not the only ones who see this, ask Torts or Quenneville what they think.

          • Habsolutely says:

            I look forward to watching him get fed his lunch by Tinordi in a couple seasons.

            cheers

      • The Jackal says:

        Nobody crosses the line with Chara because there are almost no players who can stand up to him, it’s pure luck of his genes. The guy is still as dirty as any other Bruin. I for one am glad he is not a Hab.

      • RGM says:

        Except for, y’know, when Matt Cooke nearly killed Marc Savard.

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  35. boing007 says:

    Boone: Actually, I think Lafleur and Cournoyer played PLENTY in one-goal games.

    Hoping to make it a two goal game, I suspect.

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  36. smiler2729 says:

    Chara’s a cheater just like the other Chowderheads…

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  37. jedimyrmidon says:

    I’m sure Chara is afraid to hurt people… especially after getting away scot-free with murder on Max Pac.

    That being said, he can probably control himself 99% of the time, but when he snaps (like I imagine he did against Pacs) it’s extremely dangerous. Chara should have gotten a hefty suspension that day.

    Can’t believe he still has a “clean” record thanks to Colin Campbell who gracefully stepped down after his job was done, i.e., helping the Bruins to a Cup (disgusting, really).

    • kerrgte says:

      That Chara was not penalized at the time of the hit was not Chara’s fault.

      That the league did not on further review, suspend Chara was not Chara’s fault.

      The idea that there exists some kind of conspiracy to help the Bruins or any other team is nonsense. Is anyone so naiive to actually believe for one second that every NHL team does not have lawyers looking into each and every ruling that could be construed as punitive?? This is a multi-billion $ international business conducted in a highly professional manner.

      In fact, the guilt lies squarely on the Bell Centre itself for Paccioretti’s injury. That was an unsafe stanchion design. That is what caused Paccioretti’s injury. And that is why the stanchion design was changed last summer.

      If Chara played for the Canadiens, we’d be all for him, and this controversy would never have arisen.

      • RGM says:

        Uh-huh. Just keep telling yourself that, Mr. Campbell.

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      • Adidess says:

        Are you for real!? The assault from Chara was not the reason Pacioretty got hurt, it’s the stanchion! Like the other 300 times the stanchion was responsible for almost-killing every other Hab player or for that matter any player who’s ever set foot on the Bell Centre ice!

        Nobody is saying it’s Chara fault he didn’t get suspended, Einstein. This is about an assault gone unpunished. The system is primarily responsible, but the perpetrator isn’t less responsible because he got away scot-free. Sheesh!

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      • The Jackal says:

        420 was yesterday.

      • Psycho29 says:

        “That Chara was not penalized at the time of the hit was not Chara’s fault. ”
        Don’t let the facts get in the way of your man-love for the big freak. Chara got a 5-minute “interference” penalty at the time of the hit.

  38. HabinBurlington says:

    So Brian Burke has added the final piece to his coaching staff to ensure the Cup will finally go to Toronto in the near future.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1165467–can-barbara-undehill-help-the-maple-leafs-glide-into-the-playoffs

  39. kerrgte says:

    chara would improve the Canadiens defence immeasurably; but that’s not going to happen. Size and skill as shown in he and Weber make them the most dominant d’men today.

    I hope Tinordi can match Chara’s abilities.

  40. RGM says:

    Kelly Hrudey thinks Chara “should get more calls in his favour.” HOLY SWEET F*** ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      And now they are talking that Chara feels really bad for the MaxPac hit, WTF is this Shite the CBC is spewing.

      • RGM says:

        Simply incredible. I’ve already boycotted Cherry since his segment the Saturday after the hit when he pronounced the hit acceptable, maybe I need to expand that to all the intermission shows.

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    • The Jackal says:

      The Bruins already get enough of that. I still can’t believe they did not suspend Chara for the Max Pac hit.. that’s just such BS.

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    So Kelly Hrudey says, if Chara would be rougher after the whistle every time then the league would let him get away with it, how does that logic work?

    EDIT: Mr. Boone, could not agree more with how unbearable the CBC between period Kife is. Hrudey and Puke and the puppet Maclean are just a waste of tax dollars.

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    Chara is not hurt in my opinion, I actually agreed with PJ Puke when he said he was milking the elbow.

  43. Rob says:

    I have as vocal as anyone against the job Shannahan has been doing. But in terms of this suspension, and the seemingly random number, I’m gonna give him a break as I don’t believe it’s a random number at all. I believe it was Shannhan’s intention to make sure that Torres had no chance in playing another game in these playoffs. By suspending him 25 games, he’s done exactly that, as that is the number of games the Coyotes would play if they went to the finals and every series went 7 games. If that was the case, that would indeed be a steep penalty. However, if the Coyotes go out early, then he will be suspended for a lengthy time next season costing him a good portion of his salary. If the decision had simply been “rest of the playoffs”, and the Coyotes went out, say in 4 in the second round, then it wouldn’t have been much of a penalty at all. so i understand Shanahan’s reasoning in this case. Still think he’s doing a shit job, but I’ll give him kudos on this decision

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    • kerrgte says:

      25 games is the maximum number of games a player can be suspended. Torres is now a 5 time offender, and he’s getting the max.

      There are no hard and fast rules. there is no inconsistency shown because each case is unique, and each case has a range of different variables.

      he’s doing a great job in policing. .

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Seriously with the posts I’ve read from you today I’d swear you worked for Shanahan if you weren’t the man himself, if not for your more recent post about Tinordi.

        There’s no inconsistency when disciplining people who don’t play a big role for their team. When it comes to keystones like Weber or veterans like Malone, it’s a different story.

      • The Jackal says:

        In this case they should not consider in individual cases. They already do through their use of double standards, they are trigger happy with goons but reluctant with skilled players – this does not help at all – it only confuses players as to what is a good hit and what is no longer kosher. These decisions should put the burden of proof on the offender not on the victim – there needs to be more responsibility when making plays. Weber should have been suspended, and Shannahan for whatever reason is quite inconsistent. Even coaches and GMs think so.

    • Adidess says:

      Finding a number to put on Torres isn’t hard. 25 is good, 30 would have been fine too, 20 maybe. See… If you want suspensions to be effective as a deterrent, you need players to understand the risks and rewards associated with being reckless, and you need a system (i.e.predictability). If you’re Matt Cooke, you may get the message from this. If you’re say Mike Richard, nothing happened today.

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  44. Mark C says:

    Can’t touch Chara without him freaking out, what a tool.

  45. Habsolutely says:

    I gotta try that Eagles Glen course sometime.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      In PEI? Beautifully maintained golf course, and a definite resort course. Couldn’t lose a ball if you tried.

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      • Habsolutely says:

        I’ve played Crowbush but I’ve never tried Eagles Glen. It looks like a really beautiful course. I love going over to the island for golf trips.

  46. gmur says:

    The Torres suspension is a step in the right direction. But the underlying principles behind suspensions have to be looked at again. The gesture has to be suspended; the injury resulting from the gesture should not play a role in the initial number of games a player is suspended. I think a lot of dissatisfaction stems from the inconsistency of the suspensions. I am not pretending to be able to set this up, I would leave it to people like Shanahan who would know better how to do it, but for argument’s sake:

    Body check to the head: automatic 2-game suspension; an increase in the number of games would be allowed if deemed necessary. Second offense, automatic 5-game suspension; an increase in the number of games would be allowed if deemed necessary. etc.

    In establishing the automatic suspension, players know what is in store for them if they hit a player and the principle point of contact is the head; intent is left out of the equation. If intent can be established, then more games can be tacked on.

    This could be extended to acts like Weber pulling a WWF move on Zetterberg, where a player intentionally propels a players head into an object; the boards, the net, the glass, etc. It’s an automatic 3-game suspension; then discuss supplemental discipline.

  47. boing007 says:

    Millen said Julien wants his players to dump, chase and establish the cycle. Boring.

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  48. boing007 says:

    Off the post! Hooray!

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  49. Kimberly2u says:

    Two words. Tim Peel

  50. ZepFan2 says:

    I like Erskine as well. :smile:

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  51. The Jackal says:

    I know you are all thinking this: Go Caps Go!

  52. Habsolutely says:

    Ovie’s gonna have to step it up big time if they wanna beat the Broons.

  53. otter649 says:

    Raffi Torres = Chris Simon…..

    • kerrgte says:

      each case and player’s record is considered as unique.

      today’s max suspension is 25 games, and torres got it. Simon, in his day, got a 30 game suspension. We cannot use = signs as each case is unique.

      this upward direction of penalities for multiple offenders will eventually get thru to players engaging in illegal tactics.

  54. kempie says:

    So does this 25 games run into next season? I guess so. Right?

    • RGM says:

      Yessir. If they collapse and lose in 7 in this series, he’ll be out for the first 22 games of next year.

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      • Habsolutely says:

        Hey RGM, you still collecting Price cards?

        • RGM says:

          Yessir. Selling some parts of it to finance other, more high-end pieces. Need an auto or two? LOL

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          • Habsolutely says:

            actually I’m parting out some of my collection and thought you may be interested. Some Price and some Habs stuff. If you’re interested send me a email.

          • RGM says:

            Will do!

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  55. Habsolutely says:

    Go caps. ouch, that didn’t feel right.

    • RGM says:

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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  56. kerrgte says:

    The suspension of Torres for 25 conveys a strong message to this multiple offender.

    In assessing Torres’ latest illegal hit, Shanahan makes use of multiple camera shots played x number of times; he assesses the previous record of the offender; he assesses the impact on the other player; he confers with the referees as necessary; etc. All this to say Shanahan makes use of a range of resources to do his job. The league and the fans are being well served.

    IN time, players engaging in illegal tactics, and who are hard of thinking, will come to realize there is a price to pay for illegal hits. In particular, Torres will learn that his contract value as a player has been reduced, despite any bravado to the contrary.

    Shanahan was once one of the elite players in the nhl, and so is uniquely qualified for this job. Each illegal hit and his resultant decision is unique, as there are many variables that impact his decision. Hence, there appears no easy formula from which armchair quarterbacks can draw conclusions.

    He has taken on a role that is new to the nhl. It is a new process that will get smarter over time. the nhl is a better league for his efforts.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      lol

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    • Adidess says:

      Is the NHL a better league because of Shanahan’s efforts? That can be disputed, kerrtge. It’s been less than a year and everyone is still figuring out what his system is, and whatever he’s been doing has not succeeded in curbing unnecessary violence in the NHL.

      If one wanted to be harsh, one could say no-suspension for Weber (re Zetterbeg) actually contributed to perceptions from the players that they could get away with a lot more in these playoffs than they normally would. That Shanahan failed to see what impact a ridiculous punishment like the $2500 fine Weber received for his actions would have right at the start of the playoffs tells me he doesn’t have such a great feel for what is needed. That was a perfect opportunity to set the tone.

      I agree with JF that there should be a predetermined amount of games set for each type of hit, regardless of who is involved, with the number increasing for repeat offenders.

      I also want to say the violence we see in the first round is not entirely due to the suspension system or lack thereof. I really think the NHL needs to do what the NFL has done which is taking some football plays that have proved too dangerous and simply outlaw them in the name of player safety (defenseless receiver – hits that happen as the receiver is in the process of completing a catch).

      A lot of times, a player hurts an opponent severely, not necessarily by ill will but because of a hockey play gone wrong. There may be a need to take a look at some hockey plays and see if they need revising. I can’t count how many times in these playoffs I have seen a defender complete a pass to a forward in the defensive zone and an opponent who’s quite a few feet away is still running after that defender to ‘finish a check’ when the puck is already at the other blue line.

      The purpose of checking is to separate man from puck or disrupt odd man rushes, but now you get rid of the puck and somebody who’s not even in your immediate vicinity take a run at you for sometime a full second.

      Hooking used to be a hockey play and it wasn’t dangerous, not anymore . Some dangerous plays need to go the way of hooking. If Chara on Pacioretty is a hockey play, that play should stop being one, if we are really serious about player safety. Oh sorry, long rant!

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  57. Adidess says:

    @Jan_pronounced
    That there is a method to Shanahan’s madness in this case does not change the fact his system is inconsistent. If anything this reinforces it. It’s impossible to know what rationale will be used for the next suspension and what the length will be.

    Shanahan has handed out enough suspensions since taking charge for one to be able to make educated guesses about what he will do. Yet every decision seems to come out of that mysterious black box many have appropriately described as the Bob Barker system.

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      I agree with you. Again, I’m not saying Shanahan has done a good job and has been consistent. I am also very frustrated with the inconsistency of his rulings, particularly in the playoffs this year. I was just pointing out that this suspension did seem to be very calculated and actually made some sense in the context of a repeat offender on the level of a Matt Cooke.

    • JF says:

      Shanahan bases his judgments more on who the offender and the victim are than on what actually happened. If the next player to deliver a hit like Torres’s is someone like Alexander Ovechkin, he’ll get a fraction of the number of games Torres did, even though he also is a repeat offender.

      As long as the system remains as inconsistent as it is, as long as there are no set guidelines, it will have little impact (except on the occasional player like Matt Cooke, who really has changed the way he plays). The whole system is flawed; Shanahan is nominally in charge, but he is subject to those over him. There should be a committee in charge, and that committee should have the final say; and there should be no grey areas – a predetermined number of games for each type of hit regardless of the consequences, the circumstances, and the players involved, the number escalating sharply in the case of repeat offenders.

  58. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    Another thing. The $2500 fine is ridiculous, but why can’t people understand that this is the maximum allowed fine as per the CBA? This is something that the players negotiated after the lockout. I expect it will get looked at during the next round of negotiations, because it is indeed laughable to see millionaire players whip out less than they spend on a night out with the boys as punishment for potentially ending a player’s career.

    • Habsolutely says:

      There is a proposal to raise it to $5000, but considering what these guys make, it would still be a joke. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see the union fight tooth and nail just to prevent it from going up.

      • RGM says:

        Bingo. Shea Weber’s fine was the equivalent of one regular season shift. Doubling it to the equivalent of two regular season shifts ain’t going to deter anybody.

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    • commandant says:

      I agree that its ridiculous, and I understand that its the max allowed under the CBA.

      I think Shanahan should just stop using it because it means nothing.

      Give them a 1 game suspension for even the minor incidents and then get much harsher from there.

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      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        I agree that it shouldn’t be used except maybe for non-violent incidents like flipping the bird to the fans or something of that nature. Discipline for illegal hits should start at one game and move up. At least they forfeit a game’s salary, which is much more significant than $2500.

  59. commandant says:

    I like the Torres suspension, my only problem is that there is absolutely no chance that the next suspension will be adequate.

    I get that Torres’ suspension is worse because he’s a multi-time repeat offender, but give guys like 5-10 games for their first offence if its something as bad as this, which was brutal.

    The maximum fine at $2500 doesn’t mean anything.

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  60. frontenac1 says:

    No problem with Torres being suspended,but inconsistencies are very troubling.Seems some players escape scott free while others get the book thrown at them.Correct me if I am wrong but since the Yotes are owned by the league and Shanahan works for the league who is there to complain? Just wondering.

    • Habsolutely says:

      This is the National Conflict of Interest League. I mean, it still blows my mind that daddy Cambell still has a job after being caught red handed trying to rig officiating. Bettman et al. know they can get away with all this and us poor saps who love hockey will still pony up the cash.

  61. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    While Shanahan has certainly been inconsistent with his rulings, I think the 25 games for Torres is a very calculated and rational number. I don’t agree with those of you saying that 25 games is random and why not 19 or 14 or whatever.

    The Coyotes lead their series 3-1. If the series gets pushed to the limit and they move on and go the limit in every ensuing series all the way through the Cup Finals, that would be a total of 24 games (3+7+7+7=24). Therefore, the suspension guarantees that he misses the remainder of the playoffs plus at least one game at the beginning of next year. If Phoenix goes out earlier, then he misses more games next year.

    I think it’s a good suspension for a repeat offender, but I agree that Shanahan needs to do more to those who are not repeat offenders.

  62. Shane1313 says:

    I think Shanahan is trying and I’m not saying he shouldn’t get criticism, but at least he is trying. 25..is obviously for the player and the 3rd suspension in the past while. It’s way inconsistent, but try to cut him slack?

  63. frontenac1 says:

    Do you guys think Hawks will start Emery tonight?Also seems like Hawks forwards are getting pushed around a lot.Maybe they shouldn’t have let big Buff go and got rid of Sharpe or Kane?

  64. Habsolutely says:

    Shanascam was neutered by the owners and GM’s right around the preseason when he was throwing around big suspensions like the one he gave to the Wiz. He came in acting like he was the new sherrif in town and now he is Barney Fife.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah its like he was mistaken to be a dog or cat and BOb Barker had his way with him getting spayed or neutered!

      • habsfan0 says:

        CHCH in Hamilton had their morning newscast interrupted the other day.

        NOT for hockey hilites.

        Given the double “CH” in the station’s call letters, it would be the perfect tv station to broadcast Habs games right in the heart of Leafnation.

  65. Mattyleg says:

    25 for Torres.
    Hilarious.

    Way too much. Why not 19? Or 14?

    Sooooo arbitrary.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Low salary, 4th line, meathead, these are all criteria for bad plays the leagues wishes to remove from game.

      All Star, High Salary, SKilled player, these are all criteria for players whom unfortunately suffer what is called a “hockey play” in which they make try kill someone illegally but really never meant to, therefore in fact it actually never occurred.

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    It is all well and good that Torres got 25 games, but he was an easy target for Shanahan to make a point with. The fact he didn’t have balls as big as squirrels in my back yard when it came to Weber shows just what a dartboard the current suspension model is.

    It is practically laughable how this league is completely inconsistent with discipline.

    Oh well, I still have no pity on Torres who has played the role of meathead so well the past few years in the league. I suppose Paul Bissonette will now have to “Step up” his game….

    • punkster says:

      Right on. This 25 game thing won’t stop anyone, won’t make anybody pull up, lower their elbow, keep their skates on the ice. With 5 games on tap today you can bet there’ll be another hockey play gone wrong somewhere. Law of averages.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Are you back home safe and sound? Funny as I’m listening to Shanny describe the incident it sounded just like a someone would describe the Chara assault on Patches. Guess Torres doesn’t get the “circle the wagon treatment”.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah landed in T.O. this morning at 630am, redeye flight out of Mexico. Had a nap, picked up the dog from the 5 star pet hotel and getting ready to watch some hockey in English tonight!

        Thanks Jim, trust you and Chris are well.

        Hey, every summer I go to the Dirt Track Sprint Car races here in Ontario at Ohsweken speedway to watch the World of Outlaws. Found out that not only is Tony Stewart coming back again this summer but NHRA Cruz Pedragon is going to be turning left at the track as well. Apparantly this is hobby of his.

        I can email details of the race if you are interested, normally a 2night event during the weekdays in late June here. Not sure if you and Chris ever watch the Sprint Cars/Dirt Track World of Outlaws.

    • habsfan0 says:

      If Torres was a Bruin, he wouldn’t have been suspended for 25 seconds,let alone 25 games.

  67. punkster says:

    Why 25 games? Why not 15? Or 35? Or 16 or 36? Why not a life time ban from the NHL? And why didn’t he get the obligatory $2500 fine? I mean, that’s the real deterrent isn’t it? That whopping $2500 fine?

    So what does the next head hit garner? Somewhere between 1 and ∞ depending on the violator’s history, intention, the victim’s injury, whether it’s a playoff or regular season, Game 1 or Game 7, first round, second round…what?

    FFS Shanny, I didn’t think NHL disciplinary action could get any worse this year but it has. You’ve failed.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yup, it lacks any coherency whatsover Dave. Hope you are doing well bud, we seem to have a reprieve in golf weather here in Southern Ontario. Will be in withdrawal until late next week it seems.

      CHeers bud.

      • punkster says:

        Ha, got 2 games in this week before the weather turned and a whole week of crap ahead. Oh well, there’s always the UFC/WWF crapfest like today’s 5 game slate.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  68. habstrinifan says:

    OK I am coming out!

    My Stanley Cup pick is Washington. Just cause I think they have gone through a lot as far as ‘re-establishing’ an identity and are now playing sound hockey. They havent gone into full trap mode nor are they playing with reckless star-driven individualism.

    Based on what I have seen they are playing the best cohesive ‘team game’ of the playoffs and against the Champs too.

    I am not worried re Ovechkin. I think as the series goes on he will find his right niche to contribute more fully.

    Washington’s ‘team play’ has been extraordinary.. so has Senators too by the way.

    • EricInStL says:

      Just took them at 20 to 1.

      I do not see any offense from Boston. NY Rangers can be beaten. Pittsburgh has no defense to speak of. I would be worried about the Devils but honestly Brodeur might be their weak spot.

  69. habsolutely says:

    I still say that the outside of the “Gahden” looks like a penitentiary, and fittingly so.

  70. SmartDog says:

    Torres suspended 25 games.

    Yeah, it’s the right call, but there’s nothing brave about it – in fact it’s sad in it’s own way. Shamy started the year like that, then wimped out 90% of the time and now he’s using Torres to act tough.

    Guys like Lucic and Chara escape with the small thing so never become “repeat offenders” while Shanahan headhunts in his own way those who are not liked and not on a favoured team.

    It’s just more double-standard BS from a BS NHL leadership.
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    • habsolutely says:

      I’m still pissed off that Shanascam gave nothing to Malone for the Campoli hit.

    • EricInStL says:

      Shanny did the law of averages, he gave nothing for incidents that where far more dangerous that Torres hit.

      Doing Shanny math = 25 + 3 + 0 +1 + 1 = average of 6 games.

      Instant credibility.

      What a joke, if I was the Red Wings management I would never ever invite Shanahan to any old timers fonction for the non call on Weber.

      Also from now on, if you can, instruct ALL players to use the stretcher in order to lenghten the suspension. Brendan said it, no injury no time off.

      Sad

  71. badbalance says:

    Torres apparently got 25 games for the hit on Hossa

  72. gmd says:

    25 games for Torres

  73. Stormin says:

    Boone meister, just a heads up No Vancouver Los Angeles game tonight, that series resumes Sunday 8:00 PM ET/ Chicago plays Phoenix tonight at 10:00 PM ET.

    I am thinking the reason for the 6:30 PM start to the Devils Panthers game is so everyone outside of New Jersey and Broward County can watch 30 minutes of a series that everyone forgot.
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  74. EricInStL says:

    Go Spurs……please ?

  75. Stormin says:

    and what about a classic movie” What about Bob ”

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