HOCKEY 101

Bob Gainey did not like what he saw at the end of last year. The team that he had carefully assembled over the past 5 years was falling apart at the sub-atomic level. The spectacle of the Centennial celebrations brought too fine a magnifying glass and resurrected the glory – and the (unfair) expectations – of the past. The pressure cooker blew a gasket.

Now, in its 101st year, the Montreal Canadiens are going back to the basics. The team has a clean slate for the 2009-10 season. With new players, a new headcoach, a new assistant coach, a new goaltending coach, a new strength and conditioning trainer, a new coaching staff in Hamilton, and new ownership – everything is brand-spanking new. Everything that is, except for its fans. And boy, do we need to lighten up.

Jacques Martin is bringing experience to the table and implementing something that the Habs have not seen in a long time: a system.

Puck possession. Fore-check. Support.
Simple hockey. Jacques Martin hockey. Grumble grumble. Hal Gill. AK-46. Grumble grumble. Have we seen Jacques Martin hockey yet? No, not for a full 60-minutes, but there have been glimpses. It’s a work-in-progress.

Martin is keeping the players on a short leash and it’s good to see. The punishing bag skate for a non-existent performance in Vancouver sets an important precedent for this season. Martin has made it clear that players won’t get away with any listless performances. And as Andrei Kostitsyn can attest, you won’t get away with not playing the system. Martin is going to hold each and every player accountable for their actions. If you make a selfish or lazy play, you’ll find your задницу nailed to the bench.

Jacques Martin is trying to create not only a new system but a new ethos in the locker room. He’s trying to build a team. For us fans, however, a new team is hard to accept. Where is the familiarity? Where are our heroes? Many fans, myself included, lament the loss of Alex Kovalev on the powerplay – circling the right faceoff circle, defenders too timid to approach, an opening, a shot, a goal. I watch the powerplay now and what do I see? Chaos.

But give it time. Newbies Mike Cammalleri and Brian Gionta are more than capable of putting up points with the man-advantage. Jaroslav Spacek and Marc-André Bergeron might even make up for losing Markov to injury (almost, maybe). How is the PP going to look exactly? I don’t know. What’s for sure is that what we saw out West won’t be the same powerplay that we’ll be seeing in March.

Give it time.

We’ve got a long season ahead of us and there’s no reason to throw in the towel just yet. We’re not the Leafs. The Habs haven’t even had their home-opener yet and some fans are ready to run the team out of town. As fans, we’re gripping the stick a little too hard.

As the players begin to learn the fundamentals of Martin’s system and get to know each other, we’ll see more goals, better defensive play, and better results.

Are there concerns?

Of course.

Will we have secondary scoring? Where’s AK46? Why can’t he create any opportunities for himself? Is Kyle Chipchura really going to be another 1st round bust? Will the team be able to hold up both offensively and defensively without Markov? And what about Carey Price and Jaroslav Halak?

Big questions that came up during a 5-game road trip. Now give the team some time to answer them. And maybe, let’s give them a little support. Let’s welcome them home on Thursday and give them a reason to be proud that they’re wearing the sweater.

Go Habs Go!


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Hockey 101


Mike Babcock could have worn a Concordia tie.

The Detroit coach didn’t need his lucky McGill neckwear as the Red Wings ran a hockey clinic and stomped the Canadiens 4-1.

The game wasn’t as close as the score would suggest.

Shots were 34-16, and the boos to cheers ratio at the Bell Centre was 21,273-0.

When it was over, the great ageless warrior Chris Chelios, chosen the game’s third star, stood at centre ice and waved as the crowd cheered. It was probably Chelios’s last game at the Bell Centre … until the Stanely Cup final.

Right.

"We can hear it," Christopher Higgins said of the booing, which reached a crescendo in the third period. "Guys get down. It affects us, makes it tougher to play.

"But that’s this city. They expect the best."

Coach Guy Carbonneau wondered why his team could not get pumped up "with 21,000 people screaming and behind us every game.

"We have 41 home games and the fans want uis to win all 41 of them," the coach added. "We made a lot of errors tonight. They had every reason to boo."  

Then the coach did a little booing of his own.

When asked if Andrei Markov were injured, Carbonneau suggested "maybe he sees himself at the All-Star game too quick.

"He should be our best defenceman, and right now he’s not."

Carey Price?

"We need goaltending that’s better than what we’re getting,"  said Carbonneau. 

And they saw the best – albeit in visitors’ jerseys.

Patrice Brisebois said there are highs and lows in a hockey season and the key is "making sure the lows are not too low."

Noting that the early-season Ottawa Senators were compared to the great 1976 Canadiens and "they’ve lost seven in a row", Brisebois said "we know we have a good team. It’s important to have self-confidence but also confidence in each other."

"We haven’t played our best," said Saku Koivu. "I’d like to turn the page. We can’t get these games back, and we have a lot of games to play."

 

 

 

 

483 Comments

  1. P St. Pierre says:

    Actually he wasn’t getting many shots and he was playing quality minutes. I believe Carbonneau was the one that pointed that out and he also said that it was a reason for him being demoted.

    Ryder may have faced tougher opposition on the first line, but being on the third line allows him to play against weaker opposition. He hasn’t produced much since being assigned to that line.

    I wouldn’t say that demoting Ryder has been a terrible move. Latendresse played very well on the first line. In fact he’s played more games on the third or fourth line than Ryder has and he has more goals.

    I understand that Ryder has a good penalty differential but that doesn’t always translate into better play. So far this season, he’s been fairly weak, but he’s trying hard and I expect he’ll probably get his spot back on the first line fairly soon.

  2. Ed says:

    Excellent post. Also, thanks for the link. I have seen Ryder drawing penalties, but did not realize that he was #2 on the Canadiens in penalty differential.

  3. Armchair GM says:

    I think somethings in the works… First Price was hurt, then it was Huet. It supposedly happened in the 1st period, wouldn’t (shouldn’t) he have tightened up in the intermission? I think he’s being shopped, As read online, it’s Gainey’s M.O to disappear a few days before a trade happens, I guess it’s to ponder it a while. I don’t know how he hasn’t pulled off a trade yet. That man’s patience is scary! (Or Maybe I’m a hothead who’s favorite hobby is yelling at zebra’s on ice) All I know is you gotta get when the gettings good! We need to trade value if we expect value in return. Huet is value at a deep position.(At leat it’s what I’m hoping) We are NOT going to win Lord Stanley’s mug this year, (if you disagree, hop on the 401 and become a Toronto Make Beleafs Fan, cause you’re delusional) so let’s build something. Price and the other kids may not be ready RIGHT now; but how does one gain NHL experience and the knowledge of what it takes to be an everyday NHLer if they are never given the chance to succeed? If Julien hadn’t given the kids a chance due to his having coached them and knowing what they can do, where would the Habs be today? (I see a 401 joke in there for the ROC)
    Coaches are short sighted. They sign aging has beens or former roomates (Hello Brisebois x 2)instead of giving the kids a chance.

    Anybody remember that kid Beauchemin who couldn’t make it on our team cause we were stacked *snicker* with the likes of Rivet, Brisebois, Quintal, Simpson, & Dykhuis. I try to forget everyday too.

    My two cents. (If it’s worth that much)

  4. Habsfan39 says:

    a shot on goal or a goal

  5. Michael N. says:

    I’ve a got a feeling that Higgins is going to get one

  6. nick says:

    yep – really sharp.

  7. Habsfan39 says:

    I have a feeling we’re only going to get 10 shots tonight.

  8. Gilles Poisson says:

    Thank you. I think these are very important statistics. Not to mention he is working his butt off out there. Thank you.

  9. Habsfan39 says:

    Detroit announcers hit the nail on the head.

    Saying that Kovalev is the only game breaker montreal has, and he isnt even a point a game, and most of his point come on the powerplay.

    Itd would be super nice to have a guy who can get a point per game in the lineup.

  10. Naila Jinnah says:

    Price is looking sharp as glass!

  11. nick says:

    ouch. i hope Begin’s alright. That looked like it tickled a bit.

  12. sisu says:

    “We all know that earlier Ryder wasn’t getting many shots on goal…”

    No, we don’t. That’s the way fallacies get perpetuated. Ryder has gotten less shots since his demotion because he’s getting less icetime. It’s a terrible move by Carbo and the results show it.

    Despite his demotion, Ryder is #2 in shots on goal. It’s not easy to get shots in the NHL. He has just had some bad luck finishing. He’s a 12% shooter, not a 4% shooter. He will come around.

    He did a great job coming back from a terrible season defensively, and has been a plus player while facing tougher opposition than last year.

    Finally, Ryder has been one of the top players in penalty differential. When a team lives and dies on special teams, this is difficult to overlook.

  13. Habsfan39 says:

    How the hell is that not inter-fing-ference!!!

    Holy mother mother mother

  14. Naila Jinnah says:

    Quite a loss this early in the game. Lets hope it ignites a furry in the Habs, as opposed to turning them into lambs.

  15. Naila Jinnah says:

    Finally a whistle!
    Can you say winded?

  16. Gilles Poisson says:

    Didnt Saku know he had Streit on his wing? Why wouldnt he pass? Thank you.

  17. Michael N. says:

    Wow!!! Ted Lindsey, didn’t think he was still alive, they say he’s got a scar of the number 7 on his face.

  18. Naila Jinnah says:

    Nice rush at the beginning! Lets hope they can keep up this pace!

  19. Michael N. says:

    Chris Chelios. What more can you say?

  20. Keith says:

    Wow great little ceremony. It was great to see the comaraderie among the young and old players and great to see Chelios get a standing ovation. Love him or hate him he is a warrior and is closing in on 25 years. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him reach 30. GO HABS GO!!!

  21. Moey says:

    It’s just a wind-up.

  22. P St. Pierre says:

    I think Mike’s just being sarcastic. We all know that earlier Ryder wasn’t getting many shots on goal which led to his demotion from the number 1 line. Lately he has been better however.

  23. yathehabsrule says:

    I heard Dionne introduced CJAD….Marcel or Gilbert????? LOL

  24. Moey says:

    I can’t believe the crowd was booing Carbo, class act (yeah right).

  25. likehoy says:

    Mike, that was a really uneducated stab at Ryder with the .2 shots per game. He is on pace for more shots this season than last year, therefore he’s contributing shots, and is averaging 3 shots a game.

    I don’t mind the constant bashing of Ryder for not scoring, cause he isn’t, but at least be a little respectful by confining the areas of Ryder’s game to bash to a truthful level.

  26. Gilles Poisson says:

    And there is Claude beside coach Guy. Maybe Claude could be a good coach for us when coach Guy is finish. Thank you.

  27. Naila Jinnah says:

    YEY! Michel Lacroix on RDS! :D

    And great ovation for Chelios… Gotta love him slapping Carbo on the arm ;)

  28. Gilles Poisson says:

    There is my favourite #44 Stephane Richer on the TV. Will we ever have another 50 goal scorer? Thank you.

  29. gazeux says:

    You guys know that you can watch the ceremony on Habstv right?

    http://canadiens.nhl.tv/team/console

  30. Gilles Poisson says:

    You should learn to spell humour. Thank you.

  31. Grabs says:

    Nobody is fighting, you should learn to recognize humor, even when it isn’t wrapped up in sarcasm. Thank you.

  32. Gilles Poisson says:

    Please Mr Grabs no fighting tonight. You have a nice mustache. Thank you.

  33. Gilles Poisson says:

    I was reading what Mike Boones said. Thank you.

  34. Grabs says:

    Where’s Edward Carpentier when we need him? Back in 1972 he put the sleeper choke on you, too bad he’s retired.

  35. Chuck says:

    I can’t believe that you used both of those names in the same sentence! ;)
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  36. Gilles Poisson says:

    I wish I could see the old time legends like Howe and Richer.

  37. Joe Habsfan says:

    BAFFLING!!

  38. Bill says:

    How could a team that deploys a Swiss defenseman as its ‘first line’ RW NOT think about picking up Mark Recchi at the pittance it would cost? He’s had a rough start, and is certainly just about used up, but I can’t remember the last time he didn’t score 20+ goals, and you know you will get all kinds of hustle. 4 pts in 5 playoff games last year. Sergei K clearly isn’t ready yet, and Rechhi is riding out a one-year deal. What’s the harm?

  39. Chorske says:

    I cannot believe that TK isn’t playing.

    Habs really, REALLY need a win tonight.

  40. zamboni says:

    I’m not particularly a big fan of Grabovski, but I think he played his best game as a Hab against Nashville.
    I’m surprised to see Smokes in the lineup and not TomK or Grabs.

  41. Revolution No. 9 says:

    If we can shell Hasek early and get one by him, I think we’ll win. The Habs are great at early pressure (which doesn’t always translate into goals) but if we can crack Hasek early, I think the Wings won’t be able to comeback.

    If we fall behind by more than 2 goals in the first half of the game, I’ll go outside and shovel some more because it will be less tedious.

  42. Michael N. says:

    My Dad when he was alive, loved the Red Wings. My Grandfather and I liked the Canadians. My dad would go down to Toe Blake’s Tavern and have a few beers with the players after the game, the stories he’d tell.

  43. Chuck says:

    Shoot early, and shoot often. Maybe we can then get Hasek to do his best fish-out-of-the-water impersonation.
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  44. P St. Pierre says:

    “Yeah, with Chipchura and Dandenault as linemates. Ryder isn’t going to get many goals on solo efforts. Good players are better when playing with good players. See Zetterberg/Datsyuk.”

    He still gets lots of powerplay time, without much production. It should be a much easier place for him to score goals but he still isn’t putting many in the net. I’m not trying to diss Ryder but he hasn’t played up to expectations and he’s had lots of opportunity to do it.

    I don’t disagree with all your comments, but I don’t think Ryder is playing very well if he doesn’t have production numbers to back it up his “good play”.

  45. sisu says:

    “Actually he wasn’t getting many shots and he was playing quality minutes. I believe Carbonneau was the one that pointed that out…

    Then either Carbo was lying or he didn’t know the facts. Prior to his demotion Ryder was on pace for more shots than last year.

    …being on the third line allows him to play against weaker opposition.”

    Yeah, with Chipchura and Dandenault as linemates. Ryder isn’t going to get many goals on solo efforts. Good players are better when playing with good players. See Zetterberg/Datsyuk.

    “Latendresse played very well on the first line.”

    Koivu/Higgins play well on the 1st line. Lats (and Ryder) benefit from their work.

    “So far this season, he’s been fairly weak, but he’s trying hard…”

    I’m not an NHL scout, so I try not to trust my own eyes or my own subjective opinions. The hard numbers say Ryder has performed well this season, but hasn’t scored because his shot% is down.

  46. showey47 says:

    kovy is the only guy looking like a serious threat for us out there, maybe carbo should do what most coaches do with their star players and give him star player minutes

  47. linp says:

    Detroit passes the puck so much better than us. They have completed at least 20 times more passes than us. Our players just try to get ride of the puck. The only forward who plays in the same level as Detroit is Kovalev. He is the main reason our 2nd line looks OK.

  48. Gilles Poisson says:

    Saku got mad and put his elbow up. I don’t understand why he is getting frustrated. He should be patient. Thank you.

  49. Wops says:

    They are so fun to watch play!
    So smooth with the puck, always want to keep control of it. And when they dump and chase, it works and is efficient!

    Can’t wait to have a team like that in Mtl…if it ever happens again!

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  50. Michael N. says:

    Ya got to agrree with the Kovalev line, playing real dangerous

  51. MikeL says:

    I felt really good the whole first period until the Datsyuk goal. One difference between a team like Detroit and the Habs is that when we make a mistake, they capitalize. We generally do not.

  52. Exit716 says:

    Koivu looks like he’s worn out already.
    I don’t think we can win with him.

  53. ebk says:

    Time to eat Smolinski’s contract and find another RW and go with these lines
    Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev
    Higgins-Koivu-??
    Latendresse-Chipchura-Ryder

    Begin,Lapierre, Kostopoulous, Dandenault and Grabovski can fight for the 4th line spots.

    It also time to start riding your supposed skilled players. On most teams with more depth then the Canadiens the skilled players play 20+ a night. We don’t have the depth and talent to play four lines. Seems pretty clear.

  54. hmorris says:

    ya I agree Kovy’s line is I think the best in the NHL right now

  55. fun police says:

    kovy is by far our best player. he creates so much space for his linemates. detroit is having no problems with our other lines. look at the boxscore, our fourth line has played almost as much as the wings third line, are we deeper than them. carbo is off his rocker. if detroit only needs to play their fourth line for under two minutes per period, why are ours on the ice for almost four minutes. streit has more ice time than kovy. carbo can’t manage a bench properly.

  56. Michael N. says:

    Totaly agree

  57. showey47 says:

    i agree we should be double shifting kovy’s line, they are the only line that looks dangerous out there. How can koivu’s line even have a chance with a defenceman playing on the wing. I wish i would of gotten the call i can play the off wing with koivu and higgy.

  58. Cable Guy says:

    were lucky it’s only 1-0. we are playing so porrly right now, so depressing.

  59. Wops says:

    I think you got it wrong, Wings are playing amazing, full control of the puck, major difference than us not playing well.

    We do not have the skill level to match theirs. PP has to produce tonight…again… I know..

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  60. Ed says:

    Mark Streit played 7:06 in the 1st period. If he keeps this up, he will play over 21:00 minutes. That has got to be a high for Streit.

  61. showey47 says:

    those should be kovy type minutes

  62. ebk says:

    you would have him play less?
    gotta ride your big guns

  63. Bill says:

    It’s interesting that the Habs look no worse against the Wings than they do against Nashville, Toronto, or Buffalo.

    Datsyuk’s goal: Price didn’t look awesome on it, but Begin really blew that clear. And Datsyuk made what seemed like a million fakes, almost like he was waiting for someone to impede him … where was the Cube going on that one?

    Be nice to get one on Hasek and see what happens. It’s unfair, but the Habs need their goalies to steal one or two so these guys can get their game back.

  64. Naila Jinnah says:

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  65. Habsfan39 says:

    higgins predictors…. predict some more

  66. Barts says:

    Nice job by Higgy, gotta get that puck up over Hasek. His office is on the ice.

  67. showey47 says:

    higgy, big goal

  68. HabsProf says:

    Nice prediction, Nailah.

    What do you think the stock market will do over the next couple of months?

  69. Michael N. says:

    Told ya he’d get one

  70. Naila Jinnah says:

    lol! I’ve got him for one on Thursday too… if he wants more tonight, that’s fine with me. He’s got my permission to score as many goals on the opposing team as he’d like! :D

  71. Naila Jinnah says:

    haha… Don’t rely on the dollar too much. Watch it go crazy over the next couple of days.

  72. showey47 says:

    brutal powerplay, where did the magic go? and no it didn’t go to edmonton

  73. showey47 says:

    i suggest we try chipper or lats on the powerplay, some big bodies to play in front of the blue paint

  74. JasonM says:

    Why is Kovalev always on our 2nd PP line??

  75. Habsfan39 says:

    this game is a must win

    need the confidence that beating detroit would bring

    this would be the high point of the season…

    A game after the low point

  76. Naila Jinnah says:

    I agree. Chipper would do awesome.

  77. ebk says:

    I think they look total outclassed by the Wings.

  78. JasonM says:

    Koivu has been absolutely brutal this first period. :(

  79. Habsfan39 says:

    montreal has been way too passive on the PK

    lets see if that continues

  80. Barts says:

    Agreed on Koivu…

  81. Kevin says:

    that’s why their PK sucks so far this year!

  82. JasonM says:

    And I said before his penalty. :(

  83. Wops says:

    Ahaha, Boone is going to hate for not agreeing with him…again :-), sorry Booner!

    But Koivu did not go off for re-talying, he had an interference penalty!
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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  84. Michael N. says:

    Detroit plays so loose, it’s like they really got their sh.. together

  85. Erik says:

    well thats that Bob Gainey wat is this guy doing god

  86. fun police says:

    i think carbo has lost the dressing room.

  87. Oprah says:

    Look at the bright side… if we add up the “good minutes” from tonight and the “good minutes” from Saturday, we may actually be able to come up with a solid 60 minute effort! Woo hoo!

  88. JMoney says:

    How would that help?? Wouldn’t you want the junior team to play a team that will provide some challenge?

  89. ebk says:

    So Bergeron is a pussy cuz he got hurt. Insightful

  90. Yeats says:

    I think Carbo is just undressed.

  91. Moey says:

    Would you mind translating that please?

  92. Moey says:

    Another cliche…but I’m sure if he has GPS he’ll find it.

  93. Yeats says:

    The real winner tonight is Dandy. Isn’t he automatically suspended for the next game? Sort of throws a wrench into Carbo’s line combos doesn’t it? Oh, the best laid plans of mice and men…

  94. Yeats says:

    I wish I had a few bottles of that tonight!

  95. showey47 says:

    i think bob needs to go back behind the bench

  96. Kevin says:

    Higgins comments are starting to be come really redundant and annoying…

  97. Yeats says:

    Could you give me two twenties for a ten?

  98. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    So if you’re sitting in that dressing room, and you want to give a word of encouragement to you teammates, what would you say?

    “Maybe next game?”

  99. Wops says:

    Are you guys for real??

    We were playing the most dominating team in the league!

    what were you expecting?

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  100. the_vipah says:

    Way to handpick an example…

    yawn

  101. Blitzen says:

    See ya in Hamilton?

  102. Yeats says:

    No. Let’s get drunk and pass on practice tomorrow. Screw Carbo! OK, let me know who my linemates are and I’ll think about it.

  103. JMoney says:

    If I were in the dressing room, I’m holding a players only meeting, and discuss the issues with having the worst coach in the NHL. If everyone agrees, I go to Gainey, explain how the whole team feels, and ask for a new coach.

  104. Blitzen says:

    How about effort?

    How about not constantly making passes behind their backs when they don’t seem to have the talent to pull it off?

  105. Erik says:

    well Bob Gainey youve tried the patient approach how about doing someting that will work.

  106. Yeats says:

    He was the only one who scored, so his reward is to face the press. Really, what can Koivu say?

  107. showey47 says:

    drink a 40 ouncer of rye and it will all makes sense, lol

  108. Wops says:

    I see it more as the Wings were way too strong, way to skilled, controlled the puck to much…

    Everytime a hab player wanted to make pressure, the puck was off to another player. Their passing game is over the chart…

    The habs did provide an effort, they could not compete with the level of skills of the wings…

    My own opinion.

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  109. Moey says:

    The other night I was lamenting about my boy Shelly, nobody on the team to stick up for Captain K like he used to, and at least on the PP you were guaranteed a goal. I got this magazine called “Mobile” in the mail today, put out by Bell Mobility, what’s on the front page, “Sheldon Souray unplugged”. Obviously the article was written before his injury, but I really miss the big guy. For all his giveaways, he did bring something to the table. I wish he was still with us. I wonder where we would stand now.

  110. Erik says:

    honestly people be shut up with the excuses. oh it was detroit it was ottawa it new jersey or buffalo wtf We would like to win more games then vs boston bruins man!!!!!

  111. showey47 says:

    no weak turnovers in your own end

  112. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Or, “Thank God i’m not that guy. (pointing at Ryder)”

  113. Wops says:

    I think the wings forced those turnovers….

    Pavel Datsyuk is the leader in the league for steal for a reason…it does not only happen against the Habs…

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  114. Norm0770 says:

    Effort maybe?

    They were beaten to every loose puck all night.

    They didn’t win a single battle along the boards.

    Their passing was horrible…shall I go on?

  115. showey47 says:

    thats all true but both teams have the benefit of playing 5 players per side, so you play man to man instead of zone defence. So you are taking away time and space

  116. Wops says:

    No, no shut up involved..

    It’s not an excuse, I only see the game has the Wings dominating the game more than the Habs not providing effort into the game…

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    CH if for Chris Higgins

  117. Erik says:

    how about ripping the c off saku

  118. showey47 says:

    begin’s wasn’t forced at all, neither was streits they were just bad passes. If you have no passing lane just flip the puck out off the glass high and hard worst case its an icing, sure beats a goal

  119. Blitzen says:

    Bégin: I don’t blame the people for booing. We have hit rock bottom.

    BreezeBy: We practice well but play on our heels during games.

  120. Norm0770 says:

    Lately they’ve been so bad on face-offs that I think they don’t even want to take the icing, like Koivu against Toronto. Team has no confidence in any aspect of their game.

  121. Bill says:

    Not to look like the worst team in the NHL while playing the best team in the NHL?

    Not to have watch Mark Streit playing with Koivu all game? No wonder he’s pissed.

    The Habs to at least make a game of it?

    Not to witness the beginning of the unravelling of Carey Price’s confidence and calm?

    Any sort of silver lining?

    I was at least hoping for something like that.

  122. Wops says:

    Anyways, this isn’t going nowhere, we could argue all night…

    All I meant to say, is that the Wings are a much stronger team and did not win because of the habs soft play.

    They won because they are the better team, they are faster, have better passing and definetely have more skills.

    This is why maybe the Habs look like crap, the other team was way to good.

    Stupid (and exaggerated!) example, but maybe you will get my point,

    Put a pee-wee AA vs a pee-wee CC, if the CC team looses, is it because they did not provide the effort, made turnovers, miss all there pass or all of the above are a result of the other team being better???

    _______________________________________
    CH if for Chris Higgins

  123. showey47 says:

    Well, whole new angle here. Does anyon else think maybe the team has quit on carbo in hopes of getting him fired? Sick of the endless line changes? Just a thought

  124. MathMan says:

    Montreal is a lottery team.

    Or at least, they’re playing like one. All these analysts that put them in 14th place are starting to look like they’re on to something.

    But there’s worse: Ottawa is on a 7-game losing streak. Freakish.

    I’m pretty sure fans booing the Habs mercilessly won’t help, though, even though I can’t say they don’t deserve it. They need another road trip.

    Boston is next. At least Montreal ought to be fairly confident they can beat the Bs; losing now would be a nasty blow, however. But a big win would be a big help for confidence. Crucial game already.

  125. Bill says:

    Carbo on Markov: Doesn’t know what is the matter with him? “We don’t think he’s injured”? Wait a minute, what IS wrong with Markov??

  126. The Ian Cobb says:

    It would be a chalenge for the jrs to find the oposition on the ice!!

  127. Yeats says:

    You may be right. Not that he has anything to bitch about, but a few of the close ups of Koivu against Nashville on Saturday night left me with the impression he was pretty pissed about who he was centering.

  128. Norm0770 says:

    Datsyuk was taken in the 6th round (171st pick) and Zetterberg in the 7th (210th pick). Lots of teams passed on both of these guys round after round. Kind of like Markov for us.

  129. Blitzen says:

    Boston will play them tough…no gimme there.

  130. madhabsfan says:

    When is the habs brass going to figure out that this team is composed almost exclusively of passable to mediocre guys. You can play with the lines all you want, you can experiment all you want, but in the end, you still have the same group of mediocre players. It really doesn’t matter much who plays with who.

    With regard to the comments about trading Koivu, it may just be the year. I would miss him as much as everyone else, but does this man not deserve to be traded to a contender? He’s paid his dues, and he is one of the few players we have that have trade value.

    Bob, please get on the horn… I can’t watch this much more!!!

  131. Yeats says:

    The only team the Habs can take for granted right now are themselves.

  132. Blitzen says:

    RDS is down to showing a report on the Michigan Wolverines hockey team so we can dream that Pacioretty may be a real power forward.

  133. ebk says:

    This is not to single out the following player but if the Habs are going to go down at least go down with kids. Bench, trade or release the following players:

    1) Smolinski….adds another 11 minutes to his impressive total of even strength ice time with out a goal.( I don’t count his empty netter)

    2)Dandenault…love he comes to Koivu’s aid but let’s get serious, the experiment is a failure. His production and his cap number don’t mesh. $1.75m for a 4th line player is not a wise investment. He might have some trade value as a depth defenseman, not as a 4th line player

    3)Brisebois….That Gorges,Bouillon and Streit can’t take his job is either because Breezer has pictures of Carbo that would make a hooker blush or the three of them actually suck. Not to mention what it says to the players on the farm.

    4)Streit is a PP specialist and that is it. He actually is very good on the PP but Carbo is asking him to do to much. He can fill in on the 4th line, he can play on defense some but he is not a regular in the NHL, not now, not ever. Actually don’t release him just use him like he should be used.

    5)Ryder needs to go because he seems to be Carbo’s favorite whipping boy and it is not fair. His play is not up to par this year but he is not the only one. In fact, most of the team falls in this category except for Kovalev and a few others.

    thanks for reading

  134. Norm0770 says:

    Wants to play with Komi again insead of the Breezer?

  135. Moey says:

    How about ripping you a new one.

  136. Blitzen says:

    If he sticks around he might end up on Koivu’s wing.

  137. Norm0770 says:

    He made the US Jr team. Guys on Versus were talking about how impressive he has been this season.

  138. Yeats says:

    Don’t know much about what’s wrong with the D.
    Don’t know why he took that dumb penalty.
    Don’t know why we can’t find the back of the net.
    Don’t know what we can’t cover the spread in a bet.

    But I do know that this is true.
    All the Hab fans are feelin’ blue.
    If we don’t turn this around soon,
    What a piss-poor hockey season this’ll be.

  139. ebk says:

    I don’t think it is a lack of effort. How many bonafied HL players do they have in their lineup.
    Koivu
    Higgins
    Kovalev
    Plekanec

    on D
    Markov
    Hamrlik
    Komisarek

    Kostitsyn and Latendresse are still works in progress. The rest are lucky to be drawing a cheque in the NHL

  140. Norm0770 says:

    Point taken

  141. P St. Pierre says:

    well said my friend

  142. Erik says:

    uh i like laedership!

  143. The Ian Cobb says:

    PK Suban goes to national Juniors Tonight, maybe this team should use the Habs to scrimage with.

  144. Wops says:

    Wings are too skilled for Habs to play man to man…

    That’s why shitty teams can win, that’s why Lemaire invented the trap, the zone defense, the prevent the attacks from the more skilled players…
    _______________________________________
    CH if for Chris Higgins

  145. MathMan says:

    No doubt but at least Montreal *should* be able to go into this game without thinking “we can’t beat these guys” or worse, “these guys are going to pwn us no matter what we do”.

  146. Moey says:

    Sounds like a plan, maybe you could speak and spell better out of it.

  147. Blitzen says:

    Higgins saying that the Habs need for someone to step up and make a big play at a key point in games. No shiot Sherlock.

  148. Kevin says:

    I don’t think he got an instigator.

  149. JMoney says:

    Carbonneau has to go… I think we can officially say he is the worst coach in all hockey. I’d say Cherry was a better coach than Carbo ever will be…

  150. Blitzen says:

    Everybody bring out your Post-Game Cliché Bingo cards!

    I’m hoping for “we need to stop talking about it and working harder on the ice”

  151. Barts says:

    This is not the year to tank for the draft pick; it’s the year after when Tavares is up, ha!

  152. Exit716 says:

    Carbo needs to pull an Orval Tessier and tell them they need a heart transplant.
    Was there even one hit delivered tonight?

  153. Yeats says:

    Good one. I don’t know how I missed it!

  154. the_vipah says:

    Unfort for the habs, the game turned on a missed 5 minute major and several more infractions including a few trips/obstruction and high sticks. Habs are not managing to create themselves any breaks, while their opponents get plenty.

    Lilja should get suspended for 2-5 games, but more then likely won’t because Begin is not a pussy like most of the recent players injured on marginal/high hits and wasn’t seriously hurt.

  155. RH says:

    Heh heh……fragile between the ears…

  156. Matt_in_TO says:

    I wonder if Carbo will be canned or asked to resign so that both Gainey and him can save some face. For once I’d love to have a coach that has some NHL coaching experience! Problem is I don’t think you’ll get anyone to take the job.

    I have a feeling that Koivu might be traded if they are well out of it. He made it clear that he doesn’t want to be part of a rebuilding process anymore and it’s clear this team is still rebuilding.

    Ryder is as good as gone but no one is going to give anything up for him.

  157. nick says:

    Dandenaults flying tackle count?

  158. JMoney says:

    I came up with the idea to alternate the rest of the season for letting the players create the lineup… Every stick will be put into a pile at centre ice (including the 2 goalies). Then 1 player will be blindfolded and brought to centre ice. He will grab and throw the sticks in groups of 3 and 2, and the last 2 sticks taken out will be the 2 goalies. The 4 groups of 3 will be our four forward lines, the groups of 2 will be the defence, the last 2 will be the goalies, and the 2 remaining sticks will be the 2 guys that get to sit in the press box for the game.

  159. JMoney says:

    the 2nd goal was good enough for TSN to have as a HON candidate.. Price was screened and it was a perfect shot top corner… No chance…

  160. Scott in Montreal says:

    Best comment of the night.

  161. Habs Suck says:

    While I agree the Price was not right, guess again if you think Habs lost because of the goalie!!!! HA!!!! That was abysmal.

  162. Ed says:

    How could goaltending cost us the game when we were out shot 34-16. We had only 1 goal, so in order to win Price would have had to stop all 34 shots. It’s not fair to say that goaltending cost us the game. If a team can only get 16 shots, they are going to need an unbelievable goalie to get a win. That goalie does not exist.

  163. Chuck V. says:

    you serious bud? our goaltending lost us the game tonight?

    look at the shot total man. i’m not claiming to be an expert, but obviously you aren’t much of one either

  164. sidhu says:

    They’re up with the big club!

  165. Norm0770 says:

    16 shots for and 36 against. 1 goal for, and Price maybe should have stopped 1 of the 4 that Detroit scored, the first one, so that still makes it 3-1.

    They got beaten to every loose puck and out worked along the boards every shift, leading to many more shots and great scoring chances for Detroit.

    Goaltending although less than spectacular tonight did not cost them the game.

  166. Yeats says:

    The problem our goaltenders have is that have to be god damn perfect given that there are at best three forwards on the team who possess a set of hands. That’s a pretty tall order. In ’93, Saint Patrick could keep them in in OT, but someone had to score a goal to win.

  167. Erik says:

    BS is new york and boston not big baseball markets? howabout liverpool and others what a bunh of bs

    the florida marlins get like 500 or less people a game yeah and look at them

  168. jimbo82 says:

    do montreal fans deserve this every year??!!! EVERY YEAR the same problems!!!!

  169. Norm0770 says:

    Is it just me or did anyone else notice that Higgins looked less than thrilled that he tied the game? He seemed to have that same kind of reaction a player has when he scores late if the 3rd period while loosing by 5.

  170. Blitzen says:

    What discourages me the most is that they are back to lousy fundamentals just like last year. I mean they can’t pass worth a damn and that was MUCH better early in the year.

  171. P St. Pierre says:

    well said

  172. Yeats says:

    There is something wrong with this team. OK, Huet is out, but it’s not like they have suffered a string of crippling injuries or the dreaded flu bug has bit. I think some of Carbo’s post-game comments may have provided some big pieces to the puzzel.

  173. nn1 says:

    New York has had silly amounts of money, and had one of the best teams in baseball history in the late 90′s and early 2000′s, and still they haven’t won it since 2001 (Marlins won in 2003). Boston also: $ and an unbelievable team.
    I’m not saying it’s ONLY the city, but the fact that, as everyone is very quick to point out, we lack some depth makes the pressure of playing in Montreal a bigger factor.
    (England is football crazy across the board.)

  174. Plek-Andrew says:

    First goal was 5-hole (surprise surprise Plek-Andrew is right again)
    one of them was screened
    two of them were huet-like goals, wristers that coulda been stopped. Price was on his knees too early and didn’t come out to challenge the shooter enough. Especially for someone that size, he knows better than to stay in his net.

    I was there

  175. Yeats says:

    No, they don’t. But to be really successful year in and year out, the management of the team has to HATE to lose as much as the players. People down here in NYC love to rag on the Yankees’ owner Steinbrenner, but the guy really gives a shit and that’s why they’re in the hunt every season.

  176. Blitzen says:

    One was a Datsyuk shot that got right in the top corner of the net. The announcers commented that it was a perfect shot. Zetterburg’s shot was low stick side near the post.

    Neither was an easy save or a save that any decent goalie would make.

    Our guys like to shoot right into the goalie’s gut or off the net. I wonder why they can’t score…

  177. Habs Suck says:

    Price definitely going down early, playing deep, and lacking mobility necessary to make the big stops. Was the loss his fault? NO. The beer league guys came to the wrong rink!!!

  178. Norm0770 says:

    Zetterberg wide open in the slot puts one up under the crossbar from 15-20 feet and you are calling it a soft goal? 3rd goal deflected off of Ryders stick, Breezer’s hand and Franzen’s arm while Price can’t see where the shot came from because the are 3 people in front of him and that’s a soft goal? Datsyuks shot for the 2nd goal was top far corner. Plek-Andrew is definately wrong.

  179. Habs Suck says:

    Carbo has once again passed the buck!!! His coaching is jr. A level at best! What is this guy thinking? How will his players ever respect him and play for him when he berates them publicly? Heads NEED to roll… actually only one head!

  180. Blitzen says:

    They’ll fire Carbo and then ask BreezeBy to be a Player/Head Coach

  181. Yeats says:

    Carbo’s comment about Markov looking ahead to the All Star Game just broke the needle and glass on my shithead meter. Thank God he didn’t go into chemistry. He would have almost certainly mixed bleach and ammonia in search of a more potent cleanser.

  182. Yeats says:

    And, of course, GM.

  183. nn1 says:

    The tragic irony of the Canadiens: Montreal might be the most hockey-crazy town in the world, and that is precisely what makes it so difficult for them to put together a good season. I agree that the Habs don’t have the most talent of any team in the league, but you have to admit that, on paper, they have a potentially exciting mix of promising young players and veteran leadership. Just think if they played in California, or South Carolina, or Florida, where no one even knew the coach’s name, much less if the team had lost 3 straight or 12 straight or whatever. It would be so much easier to see the big picture: it’s an 82-game season, and you’re gonna lose a few on the way. Instead, if they lose more than one-in-a-row, it’s fire this one, trade that one, yadda yadda yadda. These players have a big psychological and emotional challenge that doesn’t exist for a lot of other teams in the NHL, which makes their lack of a star-studded line-up a much bigger problem.
    Love the Habs, and would love to see them turn it around. Go Habs Go!
    -nn1

  184. Blitzen says:

    Honest to God, Gainey HAS to fire him after that post-game disaster or the players will lose respect for him too…

  185. Blitzen says:

    Nah, they’ll bring back Houle for that one.

  186. Chuck V. says:

    maybe we should start paying you royalties every time someone scores 5-hole on price. or then again we could rename it the a-hole (a for andrew, of course)

  187. big_daddy says:

    pleks my man…. how u doing?

    I hope you didn’t fall down a flight of stairs….. because when you blame the goalie for a pathetic TEAM loss…. like the one tonight…… I worry about you…… maybe you are sooo excited that you went to the game that you forgot this is a TEAM sport…….

    cheers
    hope your head feels better in the AM

    THE big_daddy

  188. Norm0770 says:

    I agree, but, and this is a stretch, people thought Therrien would be fired after the way he ranted about his d-men a couple of years ago. The Pens pulled through and the next season he was a finalist for the Adams trophy. It is not too likely here though…

  189. Habs Suck says:

    That is what we call the proverbial “pipe dream”. Not gonna happen in this case!

  190. JMoney says:

    I agree… The team has obviously lost respect for him. Latendresse has been scrated, Begin and Kostopoulos have been scratched, but our 2 worst forwards in Smolinski and Ryder continue to get more ice time than players who deserve it…

    And on Defense, Gorges keeps playing better and better, yet Breeze-by, Streit and Bouillon continue to get more ice time…

  191. P St. Pierre says:

    Hard to see those comments from Carbonneau, especially the ones about Markov and Price. Might be time for Gainey to have a chat with him and set him straight as to what he can and cannot say to the press, because thats bad.

    I thought the Canadiens got beat by a very good team tonight. However, there were some costly errors that didn’t need to be made, specifically by Stevie B (whom I love) and Mark Streit who simply should not be on the top line. It’s unfair to both him and his linemates. It might be time to simply put Ryder back on that line. Of course, Kovalev would look dynamite there as well.

  192. Plek-Andrew says:

    He did let in 3 soft goals… a shot anywhere beyond the faceoff circles HAVE to be stopped and the rebounds have to be controlled.

    Yes the team played like complete ASS out there tonight but still. I thought Price was gonna do much better… but then again, that’s what I get for listening to the hype, right?

    Self-fulfilling prophecies.

    And Plek-Andrew is NEVER WRONG, YOU HEAR ME?!?!

    :D

  193. Habs Suck says:

    Whatever they do, I hope they don’t put Ryder back on the 1st line. His time is up! See ya! If anything, put Koivu with Kovy and Kostitsyn if you want some production. I feel bad for Streit playing forward. Poor coaching is the #1 cause of many of Habs’ woes. Lack of talent ranks high on the troubleshooting list, too.

  194. Habs Suck says:

    1st goal – soft

    2nd goal – top corner bullet blocker side off quick release with partial screen = ~10% chance of save

    3rd goal – long shot through traffic which deflected off 2 players = no chance

    4th goal – could be considered soft

    All goals – beer league in front of him = loss

  195. Will Longlade says:

    I think Higgy is playing through an injury. I’m sure he was nursing an injury at the end of the Preds game on Saturday night. The guy wears his heart on his sleeve. You can tell by his emotions that this funk the team is in is just killing him. B.G., pls. come to the rescue soon!

  196. ebk says:

    a hole will do donkey

  197. Habs Suck says:

    I agree with the left side cheat, plus he plays too deep and has a slow glove hand and poor lateral movement. In other words, he needs more time to develop into a great goalie at this level. But, can I blame Price for the loss? NO.

  198. Habs Suck says:

    True. Anyone with any hockey sense knows that this was not Price’s game to lose. 16 shots on Hasek will not win a game. And, Detroit has a potent offense with loads of talent, which is why they are #1 in the league and will place in the top 5 by the end of the regular season. AND, Mike Babcock is a superior coach to Carbo. Habs didn’t have the talent or the coaching to win tonight.

  199. big_daddy says:

    Pleks….. u disappoint me……. I thought u were smarter than that….. the kid is twenty years old… and u expect him to carry this gang of bums on his back….. even Roy had a decent team in front of him…. you need to check into the general hospital for a complete check up man…. if you really want to know the truth from an expert….. I’ll give it to you…. Carbonneau is a weak coach….. everyone can see that….. except you of course…. how can a team be so good and then fall apart every year… I’ll tell you how it happens…. when you have a pig headed coach who points out specific players every time the waves get a little bumpy…. thats how…. Carbonneau needs to stick up for his players when the chips are down…. not make a public spectacle of them…. its just a matter of time before Kovalev tanks his game too….. It really makes me sick that Gainey stands behind this guy…. a great player but DEFINITELY not coach material….. I have been saying from last year that with the right coach this team would do wonders….. shake the NHL….. tonight, after he pointed out Price as the guilty party for the loss…. sickening…. what a loser…… like it has been said here before Carbonneau should take a look in the mirror…. and stop calling JoJo Savard for advice on the line up…..

  200. nn1 says:

    I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, I’m just saying that it is harder to play in Montreal than in, say, the Southern U.S. I mean, am I crazy, or do many players in the NHL *not* want to play in Montreal precisely because it means being under the microscope at all times?
    Management troubles aside, I think the “fragile between the ears” syndrome might not be so pronounced if this same team had the luxury of playing where nobody cared.
    PS: pink glasses?

  201. Habsfan39 says:

    With all this defensive depth we have none on offence!!

    carbonneau is so damn concerned with playing defence that he likes havince defencemen play forward!!

    i bet if we had some offence, we wouldnt be giving up 4 goals a night

    offence is the best defence. we have goalies who can do the job

    carbo needs to shut his damn yap in regards to price!!! the damn kis is 20 damn years old stfu carbo! dont ruin him u p.o.s.!

  202. JMoney says:

    my thoughts on why this team is doomed to fail with Carbo-nono as coach:

    We are playing a broken system. It is the same system he played in Dallas with… It worked in Dallas because they had the goaltending, check, they had the defence, check, they had Modano and Hull, we have Koivu and Kovalev. The system relies on playing solid defense, and then capitalizing on scoring chances when the other team makes a mistake. Modano had 81 points in 77 games, including 34 goals, and Hull had 58 points in 60 games, including 32 goals. Nobody on this team is capable of what those 2 were doing that season….

    They also had 28 goals from Nieuwendyk who had 55 points in 67 games, 20 goals from Lethinen (who also won the Selke that year). 99 points from Sydor and Zubov and a goaltending tandem of Belfour and Turek.

    So we are playing the same system as that team. Lets compare:

    They had 2 30+ goal scorers and another player that scored 28, we have 2 30 goal scorers in Kovalev and Ryder. Kovalev is no Modano and Ryder is no Hull. Smolinski is also no Lethinen.

    Markov, Hamrlik and Komisarek isn’t that different from Zubov, Sydor and Hatcher. And goaltending is very comparable in that both teams had a #1 goalie, and an eager young goalie looking to break out and become the #1.

    The difference between the 2 teams is that we don’t have the selke winner, and we can’t score the way that team did. This system only works when you can limit the opposition’s scoring chances (helps when you have a Selke winner) and can score on the few scoring chances your team gets from sitting back and waiting for the other team to make a mistake. We don’t have a Modano or Hull… The system is bound to fail, and Carbonneau doesn’t realize this considering he stuck with the system even though it obviously didn’t work last year.

  203. Habsfan39 says:

    Ya screw carbo man

    he doesnt know what the hell he’s doing

  204. snowdonsteve says:

    Habs don’t have any player of Datsyuk or Zetterberg level…and i have’nt heard Timmins say that he’s been hiding that kind of talent in the farm club !!!

    THIS JUST IN… 21 000 people witness a beating they’re only reaction we’re Boo’s and Choo’s, first reports are telling us that those 21 000 peoples we’re also robbed of at least a hundred bucks in the process !!!

    Ryder looks so bad on the ice BG will get less then Ninnima for him.

    Mark streit needs to stop giving the puck away. Price has given up 8 goals in last 2, but was only given 1 goal by is teamates in the 120 minutes process witch makes it hard to win !!!

    Go HABS Go

  205. sidhu says:

    Embarrassing.

    I just watched the game on my DVR. We were totally outworked and played completely uninspired hockey, even though Mr Beliveau, Mr Howe, and others were in attendance.

    The team requires fundamental changes. With respect to the lineup, Smoke, Brisebois, and Gorges should sit. Lapierre, Grabovski, and O’Byrne should play.

    With respect to the lines, we cannot have two defensemen playing on the forward lines when we are struggling to score 5-on-5. Imagine if we had Desjardines playing with Muller and Bellows – it would be ridiculous. Each line should have a defined role (scoring, checking, or energy). Our lines are completely jumbled and nonsensical at this point.

    Higgins-Pleks-Kovalev (played very well against Nashville)
    Lats-Koivu-Ryder (played well last year when Higgy was hurt)
    Begin-Chipchura-Dandy (checking line)
    Kostitsyn-Grabovski-Lapierre (energy/speed)

    Markov-Komi
    Hamr-O’Byrne
    Cube-Streit

    Right now we don’t have any players (aside from Komi) who could really respond to the hit from Lilja. Perhaps Lapierre and O’Byrne can improve our aggressiveness and toughness, especially in front of the net.

    It’s time to cut the deadweight and inject players into the lineup who will be willing to skate hard and drop their bodies down to block shots. The Habs are a far cry from Carbo’s days when Carbo, Keane, Brunet, and others would drop down in a heartbeat to prevent the puck from getting to Roy.

  206. nn1 says:

    I like what you say a lot, but isn’t there also an issue of confidence here? We have seen what players like Koivu, Kovalev, even Higgins and Ryder are capable of when they’re playing well, and we also know all-too-well what it looks like when Kovalev loses the puck on every possession and Ryder can’t put the puck in the net to save his life. The point is, though there may not be anything approaching a Modano or a Hull in Montreal, this team, when playing up to its potential, is *certainly* capable of being a playoff team, even under Carbo.
    But the way they’ve been playing lately, not a chance. There’s a problem here that is not simply lack of talent, though there is no doubt that poor coaching exacerbates the problem.

  207. snowdonsteve says:

    I don’t know… i think think Lapierre and O’byrne would be a plaster on a bullet wound.

    Go HABS Go

  208. Y says:

    Wow, Carbo…Calling out your best D-man and the Kid?

    Something is not right with this guy, and it’s smelling a lot like last year.

    I won’t ever understand why this organization brings in coaches who have ZERO experience at the NHL level. Is this some sort of conspiracy?

    This is getting sickening and everything is starting to unravel.

    Hey maybe we’ll head on over to the draft lottery and pick up Tavares…oh wait, he’ll probably get screwed over by the wonderful coaching we have here.

  209. sidhu says:

    RDS is reporting that Halak and Price will be on the top line with Paul DiPietro on Thursday.

    Go Habs Go!

  210. JMoney says:

    The team definately has the talent to make the playoffs. I figure they have the talent to finish somewhere in the 4-6 range in the east. The problem is that the players don’t match the system. Another thing that helps with the trap is having a lot of size, you don’t need speed to trap, you need size and the ability to capitalize on your few chances.

    The Canadiens are one of the fastest teams in the league, yet you almost never see them use it. If we were playing a system similar to Buffalo, that used our greatest asset, our speed, we’d be getting a lot of odd man rushes and scoring a lot more goals. This particular team will never succeed in any kind of trap, especially once as flawed as this. This team needs to play an offense and speed game.

  211. Chuck says:

    You’re the first person that I’ve ever heard say that Price has poor lateral movement. Believe me, if he can see the puck, and thus where he needs to move to, the guy is killer quick. Same goes for his glove.
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  212. Chuck says:

    Goaltending rule number one: unless it hits you, you can’t stop what you can’t see.
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  213. Chuck says:

    I guess that it was rather appropriate that on the Hab’s 98th birthday that they played like a bunch of 98-year-olds. :)
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  214. Y says:

    Sweet! That only means one thing…the return of Andre Racicot!

    Go Habnots Go!

  215. Chorske says:

    I’d really be curious to find out what the writers here think of all this Carbo bashing. I’ve done a bit of it myself, quite a bit of late, but I have so much respect for Carbo the player that I keep reminding myself to just let him do his job and see what happens. That man has laid down his body in front of slapshots so many times for this team that I’m inclined to give Carbo the Coach a measure of trust. It’s just so frustrating as a fan to watch a team appear to flounder from on high, with confusing line changes, benchings that seem to punish hard work and bad luck, no aggressivity, no net crashing, no forecheck, no trap, no help for our goalies. But are we just latching on to Carbo because he’s an easy target?

  216. Chorske says:

    Hahahahaha. I’m gonna use that one.

    *wipes eyes* Shithead meter! Ahhhh.

  217. Thumper says:

    Carbonneau to go, that was the crappest most embarrassing 2 and half hours I have spent in a long time. This is Montreal for crying out load, not nashville, pull your fingers out and play some hockey. The players need direction and at the moment Carbo’s lost it.

  218. snowdonsteve says:

    it’s pretty easy to point the finger at the coach, we’ve been dooing that for a long time in MTL and it never proved effective, SSDD. Sadly, in view of the last 7 years, if i was bob hartley, i’ keep my cell phone open !!! easier to change a coach then a first line.

    BTW, I got a dirty quater carbo makes those guys skate so hard today… giving them a reason to complain !!! 90 minutes no pucks

    I personally think it migth be time for BG to give Carbo something to work with !!! trade, treahten, call up, pillage, murder, anyTHING !!!

    am i the only one wishing this league did’nt have a salary cap !!! cos i’d rather complain about a player salary then complain about a loosing team with a pee wee attitude

    i still love’em tough
    Go HABS Go

  219. Blitzen says:

    I’m hoping Carbo hating on Price post-game will lead to his demise. Gainey was obviously higher on Price than Carbo at the beginning of the year.

  220. 24 Cups says:

    Bob Hartley – got real lucky in Colorado and hasn’t don’t anything since. Was a total disaster in Atlanta. Dump the puck in and chase it. Throw in a little gooning as well. This man is totally out of whack with the new NHL game. The only thing he has going for him is he speaks French. Bring him to Montreal and you will really have something to cry about.

  221. vic says:

    Will some one give Carboneau a mirror

  222. Erik says:

    can you write what he said

  223. Ed says:

    I never even noticed Aaron Downey tonight, but he played 5:14, and had 3 hits. I guess Detroit does not roll 4 lines.

  224. Blitzen says:

    Basically that they need better goaltending than they are getting right now. I’d like to see Carbo facing point-blank lasers from Datsyuk and Zetterburg.

  225. Scott in Montreal says:

    Let me get this straight: we score one goal on 16 shots with perhaps all of one scoring chance in the whole 3rd period and you’re saying goaltending cost us a victory? So you expected Price to shut out this Detroit team and stop all 34 shots?

  226. Ed says:

    See Mike Boone’s comments above.

  227. Plek-Andrew says:

    This is the second night goaltending has cost us a victory. I was at the game and yes, we looked horrible out there but so did the refs. the refing was as atrocious as it gets, Price has let in weak goals again but hasek did make some huge saves.

    Pleky had some huge chances but he was robbed by Hasek a few times. Kovalev coughed up the puck way too many times… shades of last year?

    I’m not abandoning ship but something has to give, and quickly.

    I don’t see any positives here except that Gorges played the game of his young career so far. Looked fantastic out there. Really, he and Pleks were the only good players out there. Made 0 mistakes.

  228. leafs67_andcounting says:

    We’re getting outplayed badly every game it seems. When we had the Xmas swoon last year it was the same thing. Why can’t this team come out of the gates flying? What are the coaches saying to them in the room that gets them on their heels to start the game or period?

  229. Ed says:

    I can’t believe that after tonight’s game Markov is -10, and Hamrlik is +10. What has the coaching staff done to so drastically change Markov’s game? Also how can 2 players be so different in the +/- category after only 27 games?

  230. ebk says:

    you are right, price cost us another game. If only we could get NHL calibre goaltending things would be better.

  231. Blitzen says:

    Give me a break about goaltending…watch the replays and you’ll see that the only one that was perhaps weak was the first one.

  232. Yeats says:

    Seems infinitely fair and an uptick from the current methodology Carbo is using.

  233. Norm0770 says:

    Maybe that is what it would take to get Smolinski off the ice for a game…

  234. Yeats says:

    Well, the Harry Potter line-sorting hat isn’t working for Carbo is it?

  235. JMoney says:

    I didn’t see the first goal so I can’t comment on it, but the 2nd goal Price was screened and it was a perfect shot (good enough for TSN to have it as a HON candidate) and the 3rd goal Price had no chance with a wall in front of him preventing him from seeing the puck, and Ryder deflecting the puck…

    (on a side note though, Price is playing a little differently than he was at the beginning of the season, going down a lot earlier. I hope this isn’t Melanson changing his style :S)

  236. JMoney says:

    Carbo never wanted Price on the team, he will likely do what he can to try to get Halak in nets so that if Halak wins he can be like “see I told you Halak was the better goalie”

    I didn’t see the first goal, the 2nd goal was a perfect shot on a screened Price, the 3rd one Price had a wall in front of him, and Ryder deflected it, and the 4th, well the game was already over…

    Carbonneau is the worst coach in the NHL, ranks right up there in worst ever with Tremblay. He’s criticizing our best defenceman, our goaltending which isn’t the problem, everyone but himself, because that arrogant fool actually thinks he’s doing a good job…

    We need to fire Carbonneau and nothing else will change things. Bring in both Vinny and Crosby and we’d still be losing with this fool as our coach…

  237. JMoney says:

    at least it would be fun for all the players… The lines couldn’t be any worse than the ones Carbo makes

  238. Ed says:

    I remember a former coach who wanted to replace Theodore with Huet, but Gainey did not like the idea, so he fired the coach & took over the job himself. However, that coach was not originally hired by Gainey, and eventually Huet did replace Theodore. I’m not sure what my rant has to do with the current situation, except to show that Gainey will act if he feels he has to.

  239. Chuck V. says:

    Carbo seems very good at critiquing but semms to find it very difficult to look in the mirror and do the same…

  240. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    when he looks in the mirror he sees a stanley cup with his name on it, a few times…

  241. Wops says:

    WOW…
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  242. Wops says:

    Yeah you’re, it’s a real secret in the league how fans are in Montreal, sorry
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  243. ebk says:

    No, you are right, we should coddle them and blow smoke up their arse’s so they will come and play here.

    People quit saying anything negative about the Habs on this forum, their agents are busy taking notes to determine where they will play next season.

  244. Norm0770 says:

    From the look on Carbo’s face in the 3rd period he may hand in his resignation.

  245. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I am actually feeling sick. This game has got me all light-headed and nausious.

  246. fun police says:

    you have to place most blame on carbo. it is up to the coach to put his players in the best possible position to succeed. don’t think streit said to carbo, hey put me on the first line. carbs put streit in a position to fail. same thing with breezer. how many minutes does he play a game. again, that is carbo. lets put a mucker on every line, effectively killing all the units. again carbo

  247. Angry Almond says:

    Wow, Dandenault will get 3 games for that, but it was worth it!

  248. Barts says:

    My God, I’m sorry but for a first line center and captain of this team, Koivu is lacklustre and generally ineffective.

  249. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Dandy,He got some nice vertical on that jump.

  250. Naila Jinnah says:

    BAD Dandy!!!

  251. Wops says:

    Yeahhh Daaaaaaanddyyyyy!!!!!

    That’s exactly what this team needed!
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  252. Kevin says:

    That was a nice jump by Dandenault! The most entertainment the Habs have given me tonight.

  253. Angry Almond says:

    LOL! At least someone on this team’s capable of emotion….good or bad!

  254. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Well, it doesn’t help that he has absolutely nothing to work with.

  255. Yeats says:

    I say Dandy should just grab the puck and run into Hasek’s net!

  256. Kevin says:

    He was amazing earlier this season until Carbo let the first line stay together for too long…

  257. PattyBoy31 says:

    nice to see the team standuup for koivu (nice tackle by dandenault)

  258. Gilles Poisson says:

    Team toughness. Yeah .

  259. Yeats says:

    Drinking makes Habs games easier to take.

  260. Blitzen says:

    Jeepers, this is painful…

  261. Angry Almond says:

    The ONLY good thing about tonight…..

    I’ve got Zetterberg in my pool!

  262. stephen says:

    The way this team is going, Dandy would trip up and slide head first into the end boards instead.

  263. Bill says:

    Price looked tres weak on that one.

  264. Naila Jinnah says:

    How disappointed is Price on that one? Makes me want to cry. Seriously.

  265. Blitzen says:

    Price isn’t used to seeing shots like that in practice.

  266. Yeats says:

    OK. Now for the post-game poll. Do they suck or do they blow?

  267. Barts says:

    Detroit gains the zone at will, and scores.

  268. The Ian Cobb says:

    Simple game of work forces errors, first Begin makes a perfect pass for there 1st goal, next Streit gives it up for there 2nd,and so on, and so on, shots on goal 3 to 1. Well next game maybe, goodnight all!!!!!

  269. Moey says:

    I agree, it’s a start.

  270. Keith says:

    Well that’s it fffffoooolllkkkkksss! Turn out the lights :-(

  271. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Not watching makes habs easier to take.

  272. fun police says:

    if the devils can not like what they saw last year with julien and canned him right before the playoffs, why can’t the habs realize that carbo can’t coach when things are going bad. get rid of him. for crying out loud, next we’ll see a first unit of begin, dandy and kovy.

  273. Matt_in_TO says:

    I really hope Gainey doesn’t sit on his hands and let this team free fall like last year. Do something now before this gets really bad.

    Maybe the pundits were right at the beginning of the year. They certainly are playing like a 13th or 14th place team.

  274. Naila Jinnah says:

    I have an answer that’s very vulgar. And therefore, I will keep it to myself. The short version is: both.

  275. Bill says:

    Well, he’s one of the only Habs with a point tonight, as indeed, on most nights. He’s playing with emotion and is obviously frustrated … not like he’s got Datsyuk on his wing. For pity’s sake, what do you want from him?

  276. Yeats says:

    And, we’re ragging on JFJ and Paul Maurice? Please!

  277. Bill says:

    Whichever the opposition prefers?

  278. Yeats says:

    The clock struck 12:00 and our coach turned into a pumkin and our beautiful horses turned back into mice.

  279. Moey says:

    Just to rub salt in the wound, the laffs are 3-1 over Nashville.

  280. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Hey, while we’re letting everyone get a go around on a line with Koivu, where can I sign up? Is there a sign up board somewhere?

  281. Angry Almond says:

    Oh, we should be ragging on them 24/7….the Leafs have all the money in the world just no management, upper or lower.

  282. fun police says:

    laffs are only a couple points behind us now.

  283. showey47 says:

    hey doc how about a rocky-showey-funpolice line? We would own the wings

  284. showey47 says:

    no kidding i’m free on thursday and saturday night. We are know to play on the first line rw for carbo that there are no skills required

  285. fun police says:

    can’t be worse than some of the combinations that carbo is throwing together.

  286. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I mean, I couldn’t do any less than whoever else out there. Is it physically possible?

  287. Yeats says:

    And, we have all the management in the world and no money?

  288. Yeats says:

    Could I just suit up and start a fight?

  289. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I’d have to say we blow. The leafs suck, we just straight up blow.

  290. showey47 says:

    yeah and carbo will probably put him and dandy in the pressbox thursday

  291. Keith says:

    Nice to see Begin get some payback from the guy who blindsided him. At least someone is showing some emotion tonight.

  292. The Ian Cobb says:

    I know,it sucks yeats. Were not having very much fun with this squad right now. But i wonder if just like the stock market, we stop looking at our portfolio for 6 mo. or a year and maybe get a surprise.

    This is starting to get stressfull,at what point if we keep playing like this, do we loose one of our CUPS!!

  293. Yeats says:

    OK, let’s trot our all the usual post-game cliche crap.
    We have to play for the full 60 minutes.
    We have to keep our intensity level up.
    We have to shoot more.
    We have to pass more.
    We have to skate more.
    Next game will say alot about this team.
    Have to shorten our shifts.
    Have to shorten the bench.
    Have to make plays.
    Have to stop plays.
    Have to make sure opposing shots don’t hit us in the ass and go in.
    Got to stick to the system.
    Maybe need a new system.
    We’re fragile mentally right now.
    We’re fragile physically now.
    We don’t know what is going on
    Carbo doesn’t know what is going on.
    Does Gainey know what is going on.
    Just attribute the above to any player of your choice and you article is finished.

  294. Kevin says:

    That must have been the worst PP this season for the Habs. Detroit is a great team playing a great system.

  295. Gilles Poisson says:

    It’s good that coach Guy always plays Ryder on the 1′st PP unit so that Kovalev will be fresh for the second minute. Thank you.

  296. Kevin says:

    Well Carbo wouldn’t want the team to score too many games…

  297. Michael N. says:

    Yzerman should have been there at the pregame cerimony

  298. Naila Jinnah says:

    Price… needs an army in front of him.

  299. JasonM says:

    Streit with 2 consecutive giveaways costs the Habs a goal.

  300. Bill says:

    He looks absolutely brutal out there!

    Well, Habs need to get one back. Again.

  301. Barts says:

    Koivu loses his man, Price is forced to make the save of the night, then they hang him out to dry again… so tired of this.

  302. showey47 says:

    brutal drop pass by streit another neutral zone turnover and once again were losing

  303. Habsfan39 says:

    gotta love the giveaways in the danger zone eh

  304. nick says:

    i’d like to see less snazzy no-look passes to the Detroit guys…

  305. nick says:

    Heres a i’ve had one too many thought / rant:
    I propose – that in an order to keep the home teams spirits higher when their playing on home ice… We pass the word around; internet, media, word of mouth whatever… that when the Habs are playing on home ice and we have the puck the crowd is cheering. always. period. I mean lets face it, we love our hockey, and we all want the home team to win so why clip them off at the knees by booing at OUR effin TEAM at home louder then anywhere else?! It’s suppose the be an advantage playing on home ice isn’t it?

    and done. thank you for your patience ;)

  306. Kevin says:

    How is it that Carbo can’t get the matchups right despite the fact that the Habs are at home???

  307. Michael N. says:

    ohhhh a stinker goal

  308. Kevin says:

    I’m not happy with Carbo at all… starting to get upset!

  309. Gilles Poisson says:

    Streit made two turnovers on one play but he will learn to play a position someday. I still think Bob should lock him up before all the other teams come after him. Thank you.

  310. Wops says:

    What a shot by Datsyuk!

    How many steals does Datsyuk have???

    He is one hell of a player…

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  311. Exit716 says:

    That was a nice soft play by Streit.
    I’m watching the English feed on Versus.
    No wonder no one watches that horrible coverage
    Doc Emrick is lost if he’s not covering the Devils

  312. JasonM says:

    HAHAHA 3-1 Detroit.

    Ryder with a goal. :)

  313. Barts says:

    Stick a fork in them…

  314. Naila Jinnah says:

    WHAT
    THE
    HECK.

    Where’s everyone else? All I hear and see is Price, and that’s not because I think he’s awesome.

  315. Kevin says:

    That goes off Brisebois’ hand!!! Noooooooooooo

  316. Habsfan39 says:

    Game off, this is friggen stupid

    I have my own game to go play

    night ya’ll….

    7 goals against in the last 40 minutes or so periods

  317. ebk says:

    Streit should be a PP specialist,occossianly 4th liner and sometime defenseman. It is not his fault he is being asked to play a role he is not capable of.

  318. showey47 says:

    only streit can lose the puck in the corner on a 3 on 1

  319. Kevin says:

    OMG who shot that over the glass????

  320. Gilles Poisson says:

    Ryder is working hard out there. Really working his butt off. Maybe he is working too hard. Cost us another goal there. Maybe he needs a rest. Thank you.

  321. JasonM says:

    Streit can’t even handle a pass on a 2-1. :(

    Can the experiment end now already?

  322. RiverviewCanadien says:

    wow, I agree, it is getting very hard to defend these guys…

  323. Wops says:

    Let’s just enjoy Red wings greatness from now on…

    Price is left out to dry..

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  324. Bill says:

    Wow. So many things had to happen at just the right time for that goal to go in.

    And Streit blows a 3 on 1!

    And Hamrlik draws the automatic two.

    Mercy hook for Price?

  325. Exit716 says:

    Price is fighting the puck tonight. This is going to get ugly really quickly

  326. RiverviewCanadien says:

    This is sad, OTT is losing again tonight. We got a break, a chance to become number 1 in the division…blown to Sh**

  327. showey47 says:

    not price’s fault but do we having anything to lose by starting halak in the third? I only worry about carey’s confidence

  328. Habsfan39 says:

    Commooooooon

    this sucks

  329. P St. Pierre says:

    Brutal…Habs need a dominant player. Right now, they don’t have one.

  330. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Halak should be in nets…never lost one home game last season

  331. Gilles Poisson says:

    It makes me sad to see coach Guy making such a mess out of Bobs masterpiece. Thank you.

  332. Dan23 says:

    I say let’s go get Francois Beauchemin. I’d even take Mathieu Schneider.

    Apparently, Brian Burke is in a trading mood.

  333. RiverviewCanadien says:

    They are a team that can give up 3 goals in the third. If they want it that bad, they can do the scoring tonight…its HASEK IN NETS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

  334. showey47 says:

    habs need to stop turning the puck over

  335. Naila Jinnah says:

    Price looked behind him on that last sequence… Looking forward to the post game “Echos du vestiaire”.

  336. P St. Pierre says:

    If Michael Ryder is such a great player and performing well as someone stated earlier on here, how come he can’t score on the freakin powerplay? He’s had more time on there than Kovalev. He continues to get time on there, despite being pushed of the top line. Has he lost his chemistry with Higgins and Koivu?

  337. showey47 says:

    Its funny how this experiment has lasted longer than most and its probably the worst one yet, other than the t.k. one

  338. Kevin says:

    I don’t think Carbo knows when to be patient and when not to be.

  339. sisu says:

    I never said Ryder is a ‘great player.’ He’s just a better top line RW than Streit. Or Latendresse.

    “…how come he can’t score on the freakin powerplay? He’s had more time on there than Kovalev”

    Kovalev: 106:29 on the PP. 4:05 per game, mostly on the top unit.

    Ryder 78:56 on the PP, 3:02 per game, mostly on the 2nd unit.

    This stuff is on NHL.com. It’s not hard to look up.

  340. P St. Pierre says:

    I’m talking about tonight man. At the time I posted that, Ryder had more time tonight than Kovalev. I know how to look it up.

  341. Yeats says:

    Ian: I worked for over 25 years on Wall Street and I’ll tell you it hasn’t been a bear market since ’93. It’s been the Habs equivalent of The Great Depression. We either need FDR or a war to get us out of the mess we’re in.

  342. ebk says:

    like any player cares what the peanut gallery here thinks. Don’t flatter yourself

  343. Wops says:

    Yeah Let’s trade Price right away, you guys are right…why not, he totally lost is cool, its the downfall for him…
    always on his knees, no reflex, no skill really,… what did we se in him a week ago that wanted us all to trade Huet..

    Trade him now that he still has some value…
    Trade KOivu, Ryder, Kovalev, for picks, lets goo… why not…and Markov could get us a 1st rounder, put him in too!

    Then we F**cking wonder why no free agents want to come here,

    Montreal is f**cking psycho…

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  344. Blitzen says:

    I don’t think anybody here wants the Habs to trade Price.

  345. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    hey wow wow, nobody ever said anything about trading markov.

  346. Blitzen says:

    They should set up a game between the Habs and the Bulldogs on an off-day.

  347. Norm0770 says:

    Dog win by 3.

  348. showey47 says:

    and add to our losing streak?

  349. Ed says:

    5:14 & 3:18 – time on the power play by Streit & Kovalev respectively. Who here feels that Streit should get almost 2 minutes more than Kovalev on the PP?

  350. showey47 says:

    kovy should be getting 22 mins per game not the 17 he usually gets

  351. Chuck V. says:

    yes. as a player

    what’s he won again as a coach? at any level?

    listen i like carbo, just not the way he talks crap about his players to the media. it’s not like it’s scotty bowman talking about his players negatively in the media. he was an excellent player, but he’s still must earn his stripes as a coach

  352. Blitzen says:

    Carbo sticking his foot in his mouth:

    Says that Markov may be already thinking too much about the All-Star Game. Great…slam your QB live.

    Says that they need better play from their goalies. Nice…slam the young goalie when his team didn’t show up.

  353. Yeats says:

    Is Carbo for real? He should have just passed on the post-game stuff and got fined. I think Showey’s right, this jackass has lost the room!

  354. Bill says:

    Don’t look now, but Toronto will be one point behind Montreal after tonight. We might be able to kiss the playoffs goodbye BEFORE Christmas this year. :(

  355. Naila Jinnah says:

    Maybe we’ll just have a pre-Xmas meltdown and recover for the New Year :D

  356. showey47 says:

    actually they would be 2 back and we still have a game in hand, funny thing is they are getting outshot 23-10 and winning 2-0. But then again they aren’t playing detroit either

  357. Barts says:

    ‘Bob’s Masterpiece’ is going to cost him his job if they miss the playoffs again… and he won’t be the only one.

  358. Wops says:

    Submitted by Bill on Tue, 12/04/2007 – 22:22.

    Not to witness the beginning of the unravelling of Carey Price’s confidence and calm?
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  359. Blitzen says:

    How does that equate with wanting him to be traded?

  360. ebk says:

    way to throw your best player under the bus Carbo. I coached great but man do the player suck

    add this to the list
    they need NHL calibre coaching

  361. Kevin says:

    Even when they get a good chance, they just keep giving the puck away. At this point I would rather see some bad awkward shots than giveaways.

  362. Wops says:

    :-D

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  363. RiverviewCanadien says:

    They look sooooooo slow

  364. Gilles Poisson says:

    Sometimes a big hit can make the game turn around. Ummm. Ok maybe sometime a fight. Ummm. Thank you.

  365. Michael N. says:

    Now Now it’s a 2 goal difference, hard to hang on to a two goal difference

  366. Gilles Poisson says:

    I think coach Guy is being mean to Ryder. I think the worse he plays the more minutes he should get to snap out of it. Thank you.

  367. Bill says:

    Hey, you’re on to something. Maybe by going into the dive now, they can sort of lap themselves, and hit next October’s hot start in February!

    This is such a mismatch, I don’t want to criticize anyone in particular. No-one is doing very well for us. The Habs look absolutely dazed and confused.

  368. Naila Jinnah says:

    Wasn’t that a movie title at some point?

  369. Bill says:

    Lately, it’s the title of the movie that plays on RDS on my TV about three times a week, starring Mark Streit, Patrice Brisebois, and Guy Carbonneau. Thumbs down from me!

  370. Naila Jinnah says:

    hahaha

  371. linp says:

    If Ryder makes 3 mils just standing around and watch, I can do that too.

    Brisebois was too slow to check on the 2nd goal. Koivu just watched him shoot.

    Detroit consistently has one to two guys in front of the net when they attack. None of our players wants to park in front of the net.

    I think I’ll start looking for another team to cheer so that I still have a team for the play-off. So sad!

  372. Yeats says:

    These guys are so far away from being in the mix it’s not funny. Get your tickets now for that last game against the leafs. Mark my words, it will matter for at least one of the two teams.

  373. showey47 says:

    So does halak start the third as a possible shake up?

  374. Erik says:

    Did Mike call this a work in progress? haha what a joke.
    One line we have that can touch the puck around is the kovy pleks and kostitsyn line however man is it frustrating watching this skating around in circles with no shot or a shot from far out PEREMITER PLAY!
    I found it funny listening to Trevor Timmins when asked why he didnt just go with all quebeckers in the later rounds of the draft not that i agree with doing this, but when he responded he talked about mikail Grabovski Jaro Halak and others he had picked yah ok bud…..Detroit in later rounds Holmstrom Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Zetterberg and we get Grabovski and Halak YEH!!!!

    Carbo how about KOIVU KOVALEV AND HIGGINS for the first line!!!!

  375. Kevin says:

    carbo’s afraid that line would score too many goals and make him look bad for not using it earlier…

  376. RiverviewCanadien says:

    yeah Koivu and Kovalev would have alot of assists…Higgins would have a lot of goals

  377. Bill says:

    Well, officially, Gainey has said all along that his objective was to have the Habs be competitive by 2009. At the time he said that, things were so bad that most people agreed that would be fine. We’re not there yet. Of course, 2009 is only 13 months away, and well … maybe he meant by 2009/2010? I can’t remember.

  378. showey47 says:

    Well bob needs to make a statement i think most of us have come to that realization. Something needs to happen some sort of shake up and bob has to prove that he wants to be a contender this season because we have 2 key players that are ufa after next season and they won’t stick around if we are not contenders. kovy an koivu

  379. Yeats says:

    Is it me, or does it seem way too early for the wheels to fall off the bus like this? There are so many problems with this team right now, I just don’t know where to start.

  380. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    as much as i’d like to believe something big is going to happen, I don’t see it. Last years deadline had us all hoping for a big tade and Bob didn’t really do anything. Instead we got the “come together” message. I thnk this may be another one of those moments… unfortunately.

  381. Wops says:

    I’m reading all the comments and I find it very funny…

    Am I really the only one thinking that what is happening is normal?? Detroit is an amazing team !

    Anyways,

    _______________________________________
    CH if for Chris Higgins

  382. Angry Almond says:

    Watched Chelios during the 2nd intermission…too bad we got rid of that guy. He’s gained wisdom, class and longevity (no sh*t!) during his years with the Wings. Nice the fans cheered him for a change….could be his final go round in the phone booth!

    Guy’s in better shape than most of the 20 year olds in the league…check out this article I read in BestLife magazine last year…

    http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/my-workout-works/miracle-on-ice.shtml

  383. RiverviewCanadien says:

    normal? all the giveaways, the missed 3 on 1, 2 on 1…not their best game…

  384. vic says:

    This team has lost its desire,no more fore checks ,not shooting just falling back and no hits.where has it all gone and why

  385. ebk says:

    For all the Carbo apologists out there, can you explain this to me
    How can Mark Streit have more ice-time than any other Canadien forward?

  386. DYCSoccer17 says:

    FYI – Versus TV in the USA is revealing the USA Junior Squad slowly throughout the game.

    So far, they have mentioned 12 forwards and Max Pacioretty made the team. I anticipate the Habs will have 1, maybe 2 defensemen who make the squad…

  387. NLhabsfan says:

    Hey why don’t we trade Ryder or drop him.The guy is being treated like a lap dog.He probably would be treated better with another team.Brisebois caused that last goal period.Ryder’s stick caused the deflection but look at lousy pass Brisebois made in his own end. Also I have seen more lame back passes to last me a life time.

  388. Keith says:

    These guy’s just aren’t good enough to beat the Wings and it is very painful to watch right now. How can Streit make a pass like that? How? Confidence has to be rock bottom right now as they are not playing at the same level they played with in October.

  389. showey47 says:

    i have no other explanation other than possibly being showcased for a trade but he isn’t making much of a case for himself

  390. fun police says:

    i agree, carbs is driving me crazy. he’s trying to tell everyone that he is smarter and knows best.

  391. yukonhab says:

    Datsyk- to have such dominant talent…lil tits? We need a short term lift on the 1st line…Price is worth the effort, good to see Higgins get …..one
    GO HIGGINS GO!!!!!

  392. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Well, he was the only player who made it. I am surprised that MacDonough nor Fischer made the team. Looks like these guys are not as blue-chip as everyone thinks…

  393. Naila Jinnah says:

    Nice fore/back check by Lats, who could have given up when he lost his stick.

    Look for positives, folks!

  394. Ed says:

    I think he has more ice time because Carbonneau has used him both up front, and on the point during the power play. Not that I agree with it, but I think that is why his time is so high. I could see Kovalev on the point, and up front, but not Streit.

  395. showey47 says:

    first 4 minutes of the third period and they are in our end. I hope carbo is taking notes from detroit about how to protect a league by continuing attacking and keeping a team in their own end

  396. Angry Almond says:

    Koivu, Kovalev, Higgins

  397. showey47 says:

    shorten the bench carbo, double shift the kovy line and get streit off the top line

  398. Barts says:

    Montreal has 12 shots on goal to Detroit’s 28… Less than half; this is embarassing, I don’t care how good Detroit is.

  399. fun police says:

    a goal would make it interesting.

  400. Yeats says:

    It’s not how good Detroit is, but how bad the Habs are.

  401. showey47 says:

    and once again streit bobbles the puck on the blueline like its a damn grenade

  402. Bill says:

    Listen to the boos! Now that’s uncalled for. This is clearly the best team in the NHL. My questions: Can we trade Trevor Timmins for one of their scouts? Has Mike Babcock always been a coaching genius? When will we ever see a Montreal Canadiens this good?

  403. Angry Almond says:

    Ryder’s gotta sit a game or two to get his head shaken about….

  404. yathehabsrule says:

    Message to Ryder…..Wade Belak just scored for the Leafs – first since Dec 2003….

  405. JasonM says:

    While I don’t condone the booing the bad passes are generating, I could certainly understand fan frustration by this pitiful performance.

  406. Angry Almond says:

    Oh, and Breezer’s making the WORST passes across the blueline ever…

  407. showey47 says:

    boo birds are out in full force and they have the right to be, absolute terrible powerplay

  408. Kevin says:

    ARRRGGGGGHHHH Please Gainey take over!!!

  409. Kevin says:

    No he’s not… Carbo is just that bad.

  410. showey47 says:

    i can see that happening if this continues much longer

  411. Angry Almond says:

    For anyone who cares, Ottawa’s losing 2-0 to Tampa Bay in the 3rd…we’re not the only team slumping in the East!

  412. Kevin says:

    this is like a car wreck… I just can’t stop watching

  413. Yeats says:

    The Venis De Milo has better hands than virtually all of the Habs’ forwards.

  414. Barts says:

    Mike Babcock a coaching genius??? My dog could coach that team… It’s a lot like Colorado when Hartley was there; when you have Sakic, Bourque, Blake, Foote, and Roy on the ice, you don’t coach so much as observe…

  415. Wops says:

    I seriously think most giveaways were forced by Wing players…

    they are dominating…

    _______________________________________
    CH if for Chris Higgins

  416. showey47 says:

    but we letlaffs back into it with us playing like garbage and the sabres are also playing well

  417. Bill says:

    No, but they ARE playing the Nashville team that whipped Ottawa and the Habs last week. It’s a world turned upside down, all of a sudden.

  418. showey47 says:

    nashville should of lost both games and detroit would smoke toronto

  419. fun police says:

    carbo doesn’t change goalies ever. i’d be shocked.

  420. Yeats says:

    No, but he’ll throw all of the forwards names into a hat, blindfold himself and pick line combos.

  421. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    That is exactly what he is doing. Halak will end up beside Koivu on the first line come the weekend.

  422. Ed says:

    Agreed. All we have to do is look at the top players on other teams. Their coaches are not resting them for future games by constantly rolling 4 lines. Top athletes love to play extra minutes, plus their production usually increases with increased ice time.

  423. MAB the HAB says:

    Mike, I think BG was waiting for you to say no way on Recchi before deciding to pick him up. Anything to make your predictions fail.
    Watch it happen and be hailed as a bad move then a good move then a bad move again (à la smokes, and breeze-by).
    I wished it doesnt happen, though.

  424. Cable Guy says:

    How is Tom K benched again yet Smo doesn’t? Did Tom piss someone off?? I don’t get it, he’s one of the hardest workers on the team.

  425. Mike Boone says:

    I love Tom the Bob, but Smolinski plays centre and wing and takes faceoffs.

  426. Gilles Poisson says:

    It’s true maybe Shmo needs time off too but I think Tom “Le Bombe” has earned his rest. A big part of his job is to bring the energy and hit people and the last 5 games he has almost one hit per game. Maybe he is getting tired. Thank you.

  427. Erik says:

    with regards to Price I really thought he could have been a Good player for this team this year with the way everyone talks about him and all oh well

  428. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    you can put two Prices and one Roy in there but if you don’t have any help up front, just pack it in.

  429. Yeats says:

    Is there anyone on this team who can produce a shot on goal?

  430. Angry Almond says:

    Imagine for a minute how lonely Kovy must feel out there with guys like Begin, Smolinski et al with him. No one in position, no one even close to telepathic like most of his linemates were on other teams…pathetic…..

  431. Yeats says:

    I think that is why he dropped the puck to the Red Wing who asked for it in the first period. He thought erroneously that one of his linemates was finally trying to communicate with him.

  432. Naila Jinnah says:

    Higgy can’t score alone! No one on this team can do anything alone. Even the goalies.

    The Habs need to take time tomorrow to re-group. Play as a team, think as a team first, actually. And then we won’t seen any of those crappy plays and the goalie won’t have to be the first star every night.

  433. yukonhab says:

    Price is net is a good start, just need the team,(key word is TEAM)to bring their ‘A’ game tonight. Looking forward to this battle and seeing how Datsyk/Zetterburg respond to the challenge, let alone our humble Habs. I say shoot pass kick Detroits’ ASS!!!

    GO HIGGINS GO!!!
    Habs rule…

  434. Kevin says:

    Kovy drew the penalty… and he should be on the PP for the full 2 minutes.

  435. Ed says:

    Come on Mike. You know that Ryder is averaging more than .2 shots per game. He is averaging 2.85. Now if only he could average .2 goals per game. That would give him 5. Still not much better than what he has.

    How do people feel about Scott Nichol’s dirty hit on Patrice Brisebois. The 5 game suspension is more than warranted. Look at Bergeron of Boston, who might not play again this year. Randy Jones got off with only a 2 game suspension. Hits to the head, and hits from behind should not be allowed. Brisebois had a comment on Nichol’s suspension.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=224345&hubname=nhl

    Let’s hope our HABS bring their A+ game tonight. They will need it against the Wings. They will also need a strong game from Price. GO HABS GO!!!

  436. Barts says:

    Hey Yeats, 2 shots through 10mins in the third…

  437. Yeats says:

    Only two more than you or I have.

  438. Ali says:

    way to alienate the only guy on the team who is willing and able to fight for his teammates Carbo! Begin isnt really a fighter, and neither is Bouillon.

    anyone who thinks Komi should fight is off their rocker, we need him on the ice.

  439. showey47 says:

    well no blaming the refs tonight we have only been penalized once our pp has been terrible and turnovers gave them all 3 of their goals

  440. mcLovin says:

    wasn’t it tom the bomb? and smolinski also takes killer last minute penalties!

  441. stephen says:

    Shall we just decline the penalty..?

  442. fun police says:

    carbo is off his rocker. why does he have patience with a guy like smolinksi, yet absolutely none with samsonov from last year. smolinski can take dumb penalties, and he’s still on the ice at the end of the game. does anybody else see a problem with having two defensemen as forwards? what a joke. then we complain about five on five scoring.
    i would rather have a kid up, not lapierre (too many lapierre type players on this team), plug him into the line up and let him loose. can’t be worse than smolinski. as for gorges, what does he have to do to stay in the lineup. brisebois gives the puck away, costs us goals, yet he plays.
    i don’t know why i just don’t like carbo as a coach for this team. there’s something about his smug look that he has when talking to the media.

  443. Chuck says:

    Considering Hasek’s fragile play of late, this might be a good opportunity to throw everything plus the kitchen sink at him, then go hard to the net and crash and bang for those rebounds.

    Do you hear me, Lats and Ryder?

    .
    .
    .

    ______________________________________________
    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  444. showey47 says:

    i think carbo should pull a keenan and keep kovy out there for 7 minutes

  445. Yeats says:

    What the hell, why not?

  446. P St. Pierre says:

    Tom the Bomb should be in the lineup. They probably won’t need to fight anyone in the Detroit lineup, but he brings a lot of energy and is very good with blocking shots and laying hits. I’m not sure what Smolinski’s deal is lately, but he’s been pretty brutal.

    I hope that Lats has another good game. The team needs a big game from the “number 1″ line. Kovy’s line will be fine as usual. Hasek hasn’t been very good this year. However, getting around his defense may be another story…

  447. Yeats says:

    If the flu hits, these guys won’t be able to beat an egg.

  448. P St. Pierre says:

    I forgot. I love seeing Josh Gorges in the lineup. I think he should be a regular. He’s better than the Breeze and as a relatively young player (especially as a D-man) has room to improve in the future. Besides that, he comes from good stock. He’s captained a Memorial Cup team and he’s willing to stick up for his netminder.

    I don’t like seeing Streit at forward. Dandenault seems pretty comfortable there and since he used to be a pretty decent forward in junior, I don’t have a problem him playing the wing. He throws some good hits and he’s played very well this season, in my opinion. Streit should be playing defense though, and Kostopoulos should be in the lineup.

  449. Revolution No. 9 says:

    Ohhhh. THAT’s what a real hockey team looks like. It’s almost depressing how our boys get behind and never seem to come back.

  450. Yeats says:

    The criticism that I’ve always had of our current D is that there is no one who makes opposing forwards think twice about crossing our blue line, with maybe the exception of Komisarek. I mean they might strip you of the puck, but sans #8, none of these guys is going to punish you. We need a few Craig Ludwig types back there.

  451. showey47 says:

    To me its like the saying goes “you are only as strong as your weakest link” for example the first line Streit? enough said. Hamrlik playing with brisebois when he had phaneuf as a partner. Brisebois should be the one playing once every 2 weeks, not gorges. We have 3 good dmen and 3 weak dmen. We only have one threatening line offensivly cause we have no one who can play with koivu and higgy and hence we are an easy team to shut down. I don’t know, i’m just ranting here.

  452. Gilles Poisson says:

    And it’s true like Mike Boones say Tom “Le Bombe” can’t lose faceoffs like Shmo. Thank you.

  453. Yeats says:

    Tonight’s post-game comments certainly didn’t help his case.

  454. Grabs says:

    So I’m sitting here mulling everything over, how did everything go so bad so fast… The only reasonable answer to all the problems at once is the one Showey came up with, the team has quit on Carbo.

  455. Angry Almond says:

    Hey folks,

    How many times have you seen a Detroit player catch up with a Hab, lift his stick and steal the puck. We need to MOVE the puck…

    Begin looked hurt after that tackle….

  456. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    haha, I think Begin just wanted to hit the dressing room early. Good call.

  457. nick says:

    dunno if it’s just me, but every line with the exception of the second… look like their scrambling a bit.

  458. ebk says:

    the supposed #1,#3 and #4 lines have scrambled all season. so no, it is nit just you

  459. HabsProf says:

    We have to get shots on Hasek (as I’m sure others have mentioned, his save percentage is very un-Hasek-like this year). However, we can’t get shots without the puck, which means we have to win some faceoffs – Detroit is a great puck-possession team that won’t surrender the puck with ease.

  460. Naila Jinnah says:

    OMG! A shot!

    I predicted a Higgy goal tonight. And next game too.

  461. Blitzen says:

    I think the lesson from tonight’s game is that we are faaaaaaaaaaaar from only needing a forward to compete for the Cup. So I hope we don’t trade for a rental. If we make a trade, make it for a keeper.

    I think one of two things will happen soon:

    1) Koivu will be traded to a contender. Koivu is one of our few trade commodities.

    2) Carbo will be sacked

    They might try #2 first to see if this shakes things up but I think there’s a reasonable probability you’ll see both.

  462. fun police says:

    even though carbo should be fired, he won’t be.

  463. Bill says:

    Not a lot of great coaching options out there. Unless you’d like to see the Habs hire their … what … SIXTH rookie coach in a row? How’s that grab you?

    Always easy to blame the coach. Carbo is better than his four rookie predecessors to me. We must accept that he doesn’t have a lot to work with. Easy for Babcock to look good with the crew he’s got.

  464. fun police says:

    ryder has been bad, but not the only hab playing terrible. if he’s being booed everyting he touches the puck, he’ll be traded sooner rather than later.

  465. Gilles Poisson says:

    Kovalev gains possession of the zone almost every time. Too bad the team is so deep that he is on the #2 PP unit but what can coach Guy do?

  466. Habsfan39 says:

    maybe take streit off of the PP as a forward!

  467. Habsfan39 says:

    I wanna coach a game. I gettin frustrated

  468. Angry Almond says:

    Wow, I think I’d rather watch 2 hours of Britney Spears driving around Beverly Hills….

  469. Naila Jinnah says:

    You mean, Lats’ shot was actually kinda puzzling for Hasek?

  470. doogie says:

    Third year in a row, the Nov/Dec slide into oblivion!

    Only 4 for Detroit, I had them down for 5 before the game. That’s a win!

  471. Habsfan39 says:

    im gonna start swearing pretty soon…

    who gave that puck away

    why am i in such a bad mood

  472. Barts says:

    Wow, way to show up after that debacle on Sat night boys… four shots in the third. Pathetic.

  473. Michael N. says:

    I would have Kovy out there on the power play all the time

  474. Kevin says:

    But that would mean Koivu would play with Kovy on the PP… I think Carbo would wait for hell to freeze over before doing that regularly.

  475. Gilles Poisson says:

    Of course. Thank you.

  476. Wops says:

    Bad Giveaway, 20 footer from Datsyuk…yes it trickle-in, but was a hard save to make for Carey..

    I do not agree that he was not great

    _______________________________________
    CH if for Chris Higgins

  477. Habsfan39 says:

    i agree with you not agreeing

  478. nick says:

    I don’t have any other way to describe it other than, wow this sucks…

    Good news is – keep playing like this and we’ll have a top draft pick next season.

  479. Oprah says:

    Poor Gorges.

    Oh well, I guess someone has to play with Bouillon.


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