For whom the Bell does not toll

 It was the first time Carey Price’s parents have seen him play at the Bell Centre.

All they got was 40 minutes. 

 For the first time in his NHL career, Price got yanked after giving up four goals on 29 shots. Jaroslav Halak played the third period and was beaten once as Carolina laid a 5-1 thumping on a team that has lost five straight on home ice.

If he could have, Guy Carbonneau would have yanked his whole starting lineup.

Canadiens were that bad – and 21,273 took notice.

Once again, the team was booed off the ice.

"The booing is deserved," said an admirably honest Mike Komisarek.

"If one good thing comes out of tonight’s game, every guy has to remember this feeling. We have to hear those boos inside our heads."

The recent home-ice debacles, against Buffalo, Nashville, Detroit and Carolina –  raise a question:

Just how bad are the Boston Bruins?

"We played well in Boston," said Komisarek, "and then we come home, play a very good team and we don’t respond.

"The fans have every right to boo. Those peeople pay good money to see us play."

"The booing is tough, it wears on players when we get booed," said Christopher Higgins. "We played a simple, effective game on the road and then we come home and it goes to shit."

Guy Carbonneau said he had "no explanation" for why his team falters in the theoretically friendly confines of he Bell Centre. On the road, the coach said, "the focus is there, we keep things simple and it works."

 Carbonneau described Price as a 20-year-old goaltender who is learning the pro game and is "probably ahead of the curve."

"In the situation we’re in right now," the coach added, "we need goalies and everybody else to play well." 

 

502 Comments

  1. Les-Habitants says:

    Carolina and Habs games are ones I’ve enjoyed watching, and this should be another good game. Habs need to pull off a big win at home, and I think the boys will do so tonight.

    If both Begin and Smokes are placed on IR, I would hope that the Habs callup someone from Hamilton. Streit is not a forward, although I have a feeling that Carbo wouldn’t be against using Streit as a forward until Begin or Smokes return. I’d rather see Ferland get a callup though (seeing how it’s for a defensive-forward spot)

    On a rumor note, has anyone else been hearing the Ryder rumors?? I was wondering if anyone knew if there was ANY truth to them. The one I’ve seen a few times is Ryder, 1 d-man, and 1 prospect for a top 6 sniper.

  2. Mike Boone says:

    Obvious link: Marx and Lennon.

  3. Bill says:

    Sorry there, Chuck. Is it okay with you if I state the obvious?

  4. CHasman says:

    Personally, Smolinski’s loss means nothing to me, he’s soft and sometimes lazy and has taken some bad penalties. Begin hurts though.

  5. Kevin says:

    From TSN:

    Bryan Smolinski (out indefinitely with a right knee injury – awaiting results from MRI Friday) and Steve Begin (out indefinitely with a left shoulder separation) are out and will likely be placed on IR. When that happens, the Canadiens could call up replacements.

  6. Chuck says:

    Not a Lennon fan, I assume?
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  7. Ed says:

    Let’s hope, for Michael Ryder’s sake, that if there are any 5 on 3’s tonight, that he will get to play & not watch from the bench as he did on 3 consecutive occasions earlier this year. At the time, he was in a slump, but it was not nearly as pronounced as it is now. That would have been an ideal time to get him going. Instead he was benched, and that had to affect his confidence.

    Also, he was hardly ever used in the 3rd period, if they were leading. We know how well the Canadiens have fared while trying to be defensive, & protect those 3rd period leads. More often than not, they have blown them.

    Pierre Lebrunn, on Sportnet, just now said that Ryder is only playing tonight because of the injuries to Smolinski & Begin. This is another example of the lack of confidence that Carbonneau has in Ryder. It is going to be difficult for him to get going tonight, especially playing in Montreal, where the fans are just waiting to boo him. He is in a no win situation.

  8. Moey says:

    I agree, but what happened to the big spanking we gave them last time? Any chance guys???!!!!

  9. Chuck says:

    Bill beats up on Price. How predictable. :)
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  10. Ali says:

    Hurricanes are quick, and they make short, crisp passes and have great presence in the middle of the ice in our zone. Very impressive.

  11. Moey says:

    THey ain’t looking great so far. Sighhhhhhh…….

  12. Bill says:

    Amen to that, I hate watching the Habs play these guys.

  13. Bill says:

    That’s how easy it is to score a goal. Whitney strips Chipchura, passes it off, over to Cole – unmolested by Hamrlik or O’Byrne (it’s not the size, it’s how you use it, I guess) – who owns the increasingly beatable Price.

    Now that we’ve spotted them one, can the real game start?

  14. RH says:

    Let’s see, important people in history who were shot. Abe Lincoln……Martin Luther King Jr…….JOHN LENNON?????!!!???? HUH???

  15. sidhu says:

    PJ Stock is on Hockey Night in Canada’s pre-game show, saying that the buzz around Montreal is whether Saku Koivu’s “reign in Montreal is finally over.”

  16. Chuck says:

    Never mind the communisim angle, a lot of stations in the US bible belt had a big problem with the first line, “Imagine there’s no heaven…”

    Years ago WKRP in Cincinnatti did a wonderful show relating to John Lennon’s “Imagine” and the censorship issues that were raised because of it; you should check it out if you ever see it in re-runs.

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  17. Chuck says:

    Go Rhino Go!!!

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  18. likehoy says:

    lennon’s song is arguably about communism…I heard the tune was banned on several radio stations upon its release

  19. howtathor says:

    AHHH the anticipation! 45 min till puck drop…can’t wait! CBC is showing the Leafs as usual. That’s ok, Cole wouldn’t know a Hab from a Hab not :P Pierre and Yvon have got this down to an art form. Is there anything more thrilling than hearing TIR DU BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!!! Thanks Pierre!
    What’s up with this fight tonight between Merryweather and Hatton? 54.95 to rent! Oh well will have to settle for Lapierre/Brind’amour Yeah right! Well, I’m rootin’ for Ryder tonight! It’s been a long time since that hat trick in April!
    Here’s a little ditty to the tune of Michael Row Your Boat Ashore

    Michael put some points on the board, Hallelujah…
    We know you can score 27 more, Hallelujah
    Michael put some points on the board, Hallelujah

    GO HABS GO

  20. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Nice screen by the ref.

    Eric F. Cole

  21. Chuck says:

    Ugh. Chipchura gets his pocket picked. Phenominal shot by Cole though, off the far post.
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  22. Ali says:

    I’ll say it for you Mike:

    Erik F. Cole

  23. sidhu says:

    Cole is a Habs killer.

  24. Naila Jinnah says:

    And that’s the bad news.

  25. Moey says:

    John Lennon’s death was a very big deal for a lot of people. I’m glad Mike posted that, I fogot it was the anniversay today.

  26. Naila Jinnah says:

    I can’t believe RDS just called him Corey Price. Thought that was over…

  27. Erik says:

    Like to see a great win GO HABS!!!

  28. Naila Jinnah says:

    The good news is, this is the last time we face the ‘Canes! :D

  29. likehoy says:

    I haven’t heard any legit rumors with any credibility. Most of the rumors I’ve heard sound like water-cooler talk.

  30. Les-Habitants says:

    Top 4 d from last night is the same, meaning that O’Byrne is playing with Hammer. Brisebois has been paired with Bouillon

  31. Wops says:

    Boone, could be a good idea to have an auto-refresh button on your page. Just a suggestion!

    Might screw up the stats for your # of reads though..
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  32. nightmare_49 says:

    Seeing that Breezer is back i hope The Big Redwood is kept with Hamy for the whole game as you know our coach has a tendency to panic and ruin new players confidence even when their playing solid.

  33. Chuck says:

    Great pun, Mike!
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  34. Keith says:

    I hear Micheal Ryder has family and friends at the game tonight should be some incentive to go out and work hard and shoot the puck instead of trying the backhand deke move we all have grown to hate. Is Erik Cole playing (hope not), he kills us. We have a hard time against these guys a victory would be a huge confidence boost. I wish Gorges was playing. I just don’t understand it. GO HABS GO!!

  35. Chuck says:

    That #3 looks awfully good on Rhino.
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  36. sidhu says:

    Can we trade him and Ryder during intermission? In the meantime, we can put Muller and Jaro on the forward lines.

    Seriously, if things continue in this fashion, I wouldn’t mind making a trade well before the deadline for promising younger players – Bernier and Marleau perhaps.

  37. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    mmm… we’ve finally got some size on D… delicious…

  38. mcLovin says:

    I don’t know what point your trying to make. I just wish it always wasn’t the great people who got shot, and the tyrants who lived to be old.

    but that’s not for here. GO habs GO! I’m sure if lennon grew up in montreal he’d be an habs fan!

  39. Cable Guy says:

    Lets get another 5 power play goals against Carolina tonight. I have a feeling Kostityn is going to have a huge game tonight.

  40. Chuck says:

    Laffs are facing another backup goaltender tonight. What is it with them facing sub-par goaltending this year?
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  41. CHasman says:

    Most goals scored for Montreal in the last three years. We can’t afford to lose that. With his shot, he should be out on a 5on 3 situation. Ryder will be back. I just hope it’s for us.

  42. Mike Boone says:

    I wouldn’t call it buzz. There is speculation Saku could be traded, depending on where the team is at as the deadline approaches. Pierre McGuire ranks Koivu behind Mats Sundin and Olli Jokinen as trade deadline targets for Cup contenders. Marian Hossa might be in that mix as well.

  43. Bill says:

    Price saved one there. Jeez, something good happen, please!!

  44. Yeats says:

    Like rod hockey? It might just work!

  45. Grabbed The Cup says:

    F’ing perimeter play, they always take the path of least resistance.

  46. Yeats says:

    What’s most upsetting is that none of us were taught to play that way

  47. Grabbed The Cup says:

    They have to be willing to pay the price for skating straight to the net, they’re not willing.

  48. Naila Jinnah says:

    Wake up Call…

  49. Chuck says:

    Walker gets the penalty for violating the fight strap rule?
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  50. sidhu says:

    Good job Komi, get some energy on our side

  51. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Hopefully Walker gets a misconduct for his jersey not being tied down.

  52. Yeats says:

    Komisarek should have beat the crap out of that guy and he didn’t. Keep your mitts on in the future Mike.

  53. sidhu says:

    Another nice play by OB

  54. Naila Jinnah says:

    Habs tend to score on the PK :D

    That’s the good part.

  55. Blarneylad says:

    way to go komi!

  56. Mike says:

    HOW IS KOMI GONE FOR 17??? THE OTHER GUY DROPPED HIS GLOVES FIRST?

  57. sidhu says:

    Have we had any shots in the slot/between the circles??

  58. Chuck says:

    Can someone please explain to me how Walker doesn’t get the call for violating the fight strap rule?
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  59. Yeats says:

    These guys couldn’t score with a roll of twenties and their pants down to their ankles.

  60. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    When was the last time someone actually completely nutmegged someone and scored? Every time we try to deke, we lose the puck.

  61. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Komisarek got an INSTIGATOR on that? Holy shit. Walker’s gloves were off before Komisarek’s!!!

    No misconduct for Walker’s jersey not being tied down??

    I’m sorry, but the reffing is piss poor.

    There were two borderline goals scored. The one the Habs scored was reviewed and overturned, while the borderline high stick that Staal hit the puck with wasn’t even reviewed. If you’re gonna review the Streit attempt, you BETTER review the high stick defection on Staal.

    Anyone else realize how out of position the referee was on the first goal when he screened Price?

    With all this whining about the officiating, it doesn’t change the fact that the Habs are playing another listless, uninspired home game. Methinks Carbo’s days are numbered…

  62. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Complete disarray.

  63. Yeats says:

    You would think that at some point in time, shame might set in!

  64. Yeats says:

    They are killing me tonight!

  65. DYCSoccer17 says:

    No kidding…our two best forwards tonight are defensemen (#32 and #25)

  66. linp says:

    This one I blame Komisarek. Didn’t he see the penalty has already been called?

  67. Grabbed The Cup says:

    We got srewed out of that goal, and the penalties are iffy, but we deserve to be where we are.

  68. Bill says:

    I’m scratching my head. Even the instigator is an iffy call. Plus, Walker shoved him head-first into the boards.

  69. Blarneylad says:

    we can’t expect to win every game, but we should expect a good effort every night

  70. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Here’s a crazy idea, what if they start skating in a more direct line to the net…

  71. sidhu says:

    The “first” line shows up half way into the game. Let’s go boys!

  72. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    watching this team is like watching hot water boil. Nothing special.

  73. habsfan2442 says:

    Canes anouncers were just wondering if carbo yells at them in french than in english???

    We are a joke now..

  74. Elbacky says:

    almost had a heart attack

  75. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Complete disarray.

  76. Naila Jinnah says:

    Crazy crazy crazy action…

    Good thing we’ve got shootout King Price!

  77. habsnyc says:

    i’m not sure what this team should do when their #1 center has one even strength goal in 29 games and their goaltending prodigy isn’t yet ready to take over from a pending free agent.

    i do know that lapierre and halak are not the long term answers.

  78. NLhabsfan says:

    I agree completly.

  79. J.T. says:

    Oh…obviously, you’re a new Habs fan. Because the last game last season was SOOOOO much lower than this.

  80. Habs Suck says:

    I agree, except that I don’t think Carbo has much of a philosophy besides “Okay, boys, we gotta work out there!” Every team has to do that if they want to compete. I don’t think Carbo has much strategy which is killing their chances of winning. Obviously, this team is not well prepared for games either. Plus, the coach has very poor rapport with his players (the Kovy issues of last year are making more sense now…) and publicly berates them!

  81. Kevin says:

    Carbonneau is too proud to admit that his “system” SUCKS, and refuses to change it.

  82. ebk says:

    I don’t agree that the talent is here to be a top-tier NHL team.

    Right now they have 3 forwards playing at a high-level. Kovalev, Plekanec and Higgins. Koivu and Ryder are struggling big time. Kostitsyn and Latendresse look to have the potential to be pretty good NHL players. Most nights, right now, they aren’t. Chipchura is kinda the same as those two. The rest of the crap that is put on the ice is far below the standard of a average NHL forward.

    On defense, they have 3 players above the NHL average. Markov is there best player. Hamrlik has helped defensively and Komisarek is solid and punishing.
    The rest are either soft,small or both. Frankie the Bull is their 4th best defenseman on most nights and god bless the little fellow, a team is in trouble if that is the case. I did not include O’Bryne in this assessement because he as played only 2 games.

    Their goaltending is by far the strongest area of the team. Huet, Price and Halak provide this team with a chance to win every night.

    To blame Price for the loss tonight is pretty lame in my eyes. The habs were skated into the ground by the Hurricanes. Without Price in the first period and early 2nd, they would have been blown out of the rink early. THis is not to say he played great but there are 18 other players who I would point the finger at first but that is just me.

  83. Habs Suck says:

    I think in order to acquire some scoring forwards with experience, you have to sacrifice something. You don’t give away the farm, but you can’t get if you don’t give something of value back. I’d be willing to give a couple of young players and/or a draft pick for a bonafide NHL goal-scorer.

  84. Bill says:

    Doug, I always resist blaming coaching and goalies. It’s so easy to pinpoint their mistakes, because they’re individuals. This team is lacking very much as a team, and it won’t be improved anytime soon.

  85. Naila Jinnah says:

    Nooooooooooo… I’d have caught the ‘Dogs!

  86. Norm0770 says:

    The system doesn’t neccessarily suck, he just doesn’t have the pesonelle to implement it. The players Montreal has are more suited to Lindy Ruff’s system.

    His biggest weakness is that he doesn’t recognize what the players he has can or should be asked to do.

  87. Oprah says:

    Well, just because coaches and goalies take more than their fair share of the blame doesn’t mean that they’re never responsible for a team’s problems. The job is coaching is to make the players function as a team rather than a bunch of spare parts that don’t fit together

  88. Naila Jinnah says:

    haha…
    Higgy said: “We play so simple on the road and we play with so much hesitation at home, and it should be the other way around, we should play well at home and feed off the energy of our fans.You look at their team and they’re playing with energy and crashing the net, and you look at our team, and we’re doing none of that.”
    Kovy: invisible
    Carbo: (on Price) “I think he knows that he needs to be better but with that he’s a 20 year old who needs to learn a lot. He’s ahead of the curve but we knew it was going to be a season where he would learn a lot. But unfortunately we’re a team that if we want to win, we need everyone and our goalies to perform.”

    And bonus…

    Price: “We all know we can play better as a group. We had to change something and it was just the way things were going.”

    Komisarek: “If there’s one thing we should take from this game is getting booed off the ice by the fans. We should remember that feeling. That should stay with us.”

    Koivu:
    “When we take a goalie out of the game it doesn’t mean that he played bad, most of the time, it’s the players in front that aren’t playing well.”

    “Right now when we’re not playing at the top of our game, it’s tough and the type of team that we have we can’t take nights or periods off and it’s not going to look pretty but it has to be team first and team play first.”

    “Can’t pinpoint one thing that’s not going well, we seem to do those things on the road but at home we’re getting whipped.”

    Bouillon:
    “We have to be conscious that even if we don’t score, it was only 1-0 so we need to get over that and keep working. Today we were dominated A-Z and on one on ones, and today we just gave up and it shouldn’t be like that we should play our best game and work hard, and we know this team and if we don’t play our best game we can’t win.”

  89. Girth says:

    I’m of the philosophy that all 82 regular season games are equally important.

    Each is worth 2 points…

    I understand the circumstances last year may have provoked more disappointment. However, this was one of the worst Habs performances in recent memory.

  90. J.T. says:

    I agree in terms of the points-per-game. But the pure disappointment and disgust of last year was horrendous.

  91. Girth says:

    Trust me … I feel your pain.

  92. doug says:

    i politely disagree. i think a coaching change often makes a difference just because people stop listening (see Atlanta). in this case, i think that carbonneau is just not a good coach and hasn’t put together the right system. i hope we don’t jettisone good players because of bad coaching, or there will be a repeat of the 90’s with excellent nhl players around the league who used to play for us. ribeiro, legwand, vokoun, beauchemin, tucker, marcel hossa, etc. are enough. . . we tend to populate other teams with our young talent. i’d be okay with packaging some young talent for a good 28 year old but that doesn’t seem to happen as much in hockey as it does in baseball, for instance.

  93. doug says:

    i don’t think we are this year either. i think we will be in ~3 years but we could be a more solid team this year if better coached, and then be able to attract free agent talent.

  94. Chuck says:

    How quickly we forget 2000-2001. 28 wins, 70 points. Ugh.
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  95. Chuck says:

    Gee, I wonder who you think that the Habs could have had to fill those rolls. Care to enlighten us?
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  96. Mr Wonderful says:

    A Hab walks into a bar and the bartender says what can I get you. He says give me a shot. The bartender poors him a shot and the Hab picks it up and misses his mouth.

    A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
    Sir Winston Churchill

  97. mcLovin says:

    leafs lost .. yay?

  98. MikeMcLaren says:

    What do:

    Pat Burns
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    /\\ike
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  99. Chuck says:

    I think I hear Gainey sharpening his skates…
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  100. Yeats says:

    What will the net say to Koivu the next time he scores? “Howdy stranger!”

  101. Norm0770 says:

    Canes annoucer just said he fells that when the Habs are out of the playoffs a lot of their fans pull for the Canes. Brutal, Habs fans cheer for 2 teams Montreal and whoever is playing Toronto.

  102. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I’m getting pretty tired of this… tired of hangovers the next morning without even getting drunk. it’s a lose lose.

  103. Girth says:

    Or Ottawa…

  104. Chuck says:

    Apparently their announcers are delusional, too.
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  105. Bill says:

    ALl we can hope for is a tread-water night, I guess. Leafs lost, let’s send bad energy to the Sabres and Isles.

    Whatever the Habs are doing, it isn’t working. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!

  106. Girth says:

    Weird… shots are 36-36.

  107. StillattheMapes says:

    Shoot. I am sort of watching. So much angst. Never mind the score. I actually think this team has alot going for it. And I have watched the team play a fair few games over time, and win a couple of trophies.

    Goal = solid, whatever combination, and Carey Price is our No. 1

    D = real tough to go around with the addition of O’Byrne. The former Big 3 = The Sign of Four, well potentially.

    F = This is more problematic. Saku K has never really played with a decent winger right or left (though Higgins is quite good)… So, you either have to trade him — and I do not want this — or find him some one to play with at least this is what I thought he said last time.

    Bob, just find a very, very big left wing with some hands.

    Before you trade any assets self-reflect and search. Do not listen to any media. Or me duh.
    Geez, va bene cosi
    When the Habs traded the Green Mountaineer. Jesus wept and it was obviously one of the most worst and most thoughtless decisions ever made by a Montreal team.

    For goodness sakes he was just fron over the border. Right there. Thank you Rejean………….

    Sorry you all for the rant. Just that way. And we do well.

    Worst Habs Trades

    Chelios for Savard
    The rest for LeClair

  108. doug says:

    jettisoned by habs (in roy’s case through mistreatment) and went to win a cup?

  109. Chuck says:

    Gotta say the turning point was definitely the disallowed goal. And that’s a shame, since it happened so early in the game.
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  110. Naila Jinnah says:

    Well, that was fun.

  111. Chuck says:

    A lot of them ended up in the eye of the hurricane on Wards’s chest. You’re never going to score by hitting the goaltender in the chest.
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  112. Norm0770 says:

    Or sign Selanne, when he and Koivu are together for the Finnish team they are incredible.

  113. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    by ottawa, u mean anyone who’s playing against ottawa right?

  114. Chuck says:

    And to think that I could have been watching the Bulldogs tonight.
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  115. NLhabsfan says:

    Good teams rebound from disallowed goals. This team is in diasray. Can’t blame Ryder.

  116. doug says:

    if i were in montreal i’d offer to buy a group of you a few rounds.

  117. doug says:

    very succinct and spot on posts tonight, in my opinion.

  118. Erik says:

    You can look at the players and the coach but I’m looking at the man who is the GM Bob Gainey! Im also looking at Boivin and Gillete. Let em have it!

  119. NLhabsfan says:

    How about yanking Guy Carbonneau???

  120. Girth says:

    Thought so …
    I missed the first 1/2 of the game …

  121. Chuck says:

    5 straight losses at home. Time for the team to start wearing their whites at the Bell?
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  122. Bill says:

    Post Game Comments (Predictions):

    Higgins: (discouraged) We just weren’t ready. It’s pretty tough to hear the fans boo you. We need to turn this around.

    Kovalev: (invisible) ………

    Carbo: (pissed) I can’t believe I have to call these guys hockey players. It offends me. I can’t believe it! (Kirk Muller comes out and drapes a purple cape around him) Oh loooorrrdd!!

  123. ebk says:

    I think you are being harsh. Send him to the minors for a little seasoning. Does not look ready for The Show yet.

  124. doug says:

    don’t agree; the team has enough talent. if gainey stepped in to coach you’d see. might even get to see if gainey still has the energy to do so after the horror of last year’s personal life.

  125. Erik says:

    Gainey is the GM. Its called bearing the responsibility. I would not be against him steping behind the bench and see what happens.

  126. Girth says:

    My feeling is that Carbo is completely hand-cuffed… nothing is working.

    At some point, the players need to be held accountable as well… It seems too easy to simply point at the coaching.

  127. Erik says:

    I agree with the thought of we can wear the whites at home!

  128. Kevin says:

    It would be nice if the result of this losing streak is the firing of Carbo, and Gainey taking over behind the bench. But knowing how quickly Gainey reacts, that will not happen.

  129. doug says:

    spot on on one and two:

    carbonneau, however, i think will be pissed but more sulking than direct. the media seems a little afraid of him for some reason. i think they realize from being around him that he’s got a bit of a screw loose and might jump on one of them.

  130. Kevin says:

    Hypothetical situation: If Carbo and Price had a falling out a la Patrick Roy, who do you think Gainey would get rid of first?

  131. doug says:

    agree on both fronts.

  132. Girth says:

    That’s good… LOL.

  133. NLhabsfan says:

    O’Byrne actually looked good tonight….for a rookie.I like him.

  134. doug says:

    team is young and getting better. lots and lots of young talent. we can only build that way – free agents won’t sign here. we need a more nurturing and better coach. . . that is all.

  135. Habs Suck says:

    This, as Huet said, is a team fragile between the ears. On top of that, this team is found wanting in two critical areas:

    1. great coaching (i’ll take good coaching if available)

    2. talent (albeit there is some budding talent and a couple of vets with good hands, but it’s not enough to help the team win games with any consistency)

    So, Habs are pummeled into the ice after feeling good about defeating a tired Boston team that almost turned the tables in the 2nd on Thurs. They lose at home again and the fans let ‘em have it. They let important conference games slip away. I’ve said it many times: Mtl needs at least one or two true power forwards and one more stay at home D who will punish the opposition every shift. And, while the goalkeeping was dull tonight, a better team up front will give our tenders a chance to keep us in games. But, mostly this team desperately needs excellent coaching which it is not getting night after night.

  136. Norm0770 says:

    We need to import European fans who wistle for bad plays to get the teams confidence back.

  137. Norm0770 says:

    Carbo, coaches are typically cycled through every 3 years, where as Price will have a 15 year career…and Gainey is smarter than Houle.

  138. doug says:

    i hate carbo.

    however, if a 20 year old who is supposed to be cool blew up at a veteran player who is his coach, he wouldn’t be price (temperamentally) and you’d have to get rid of the hothead goalie.

  139. Keith says:

    The Habs really stunk it out tonight but the officiating sucked even worse and singlehandedly changed the whole game for the Habs. The way we played after the disallowed goal was sickening and hard to watch. We just folded up the tent, then a chincey penalty and it’s 2-0. This season is slipping away sooner than last year.

  140. doug says:

    coaching is what’s lacking. that’s all. we’re not going to be stanley cup contenders but a good coach would get this team into the playoffs. i just hope they don’t do something dumb with the talent when the coach is the problem.

  141. Chuck says:

    Just saw the replay of the 4th Canes goal… looked like that one deflected off of Markov’s stick, too. Is sure dipped on the way in to Price.
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  142. Pisano says:

    Carbonneau can be thankful of one thing for sure; he is a friend of Gainey’s… Carbonneau as a coach is similar to Brisebois as a player; neither of them deserve to be where they are…It’s time for a change and I do not mean revolving 3rd and 4th liners… Les Canadiens need a coach with a different philosophy. Carbonneau has lost this team, completely lost this team…The new MY NHL has passed him by…

  143. Habs Suck says:

    The officiating wasn’t good – but that did not change the outcome of the game! Besides, the Carolina goal that was called back in the 3rd should’ve counted – it was Kovy who knocked Halak with his skate and not the Carolina player!

  144. NLhabsfan says:

    Power forwards don’t come without a price. We have nothing to offer.Not our youth.That would be a huge mistake.

  145. Kevin says:

    That would be another sad sad day for Montreal…

  146. Kevin says:

    I completely agree with you.

  147. Girth says:

    Is this what “rock bottom” feels like? I thought last weekend was bad enough, yet I feel we’ve managed to find whole new low.

  148. Bill says:

    YES!!! No review I hope!!

  149. Naila Jinnah says:

    The look on Kosti’s face: pure relief!

  150. J.T. says:

    Something’s gotta give. The “storied” Canadiens, and I use the word “storied” advisedly, can’t score goals. This issue is complicated by the fact that they can’t keep them out of their own damn net either. The PK is offensive…and not in a good way. The PP is decidedly NOT offensive. Even-strength…well, IS there such a thing as “even-strength” against the Canadiens? It seems as though at least three-quarters of the teams in the league are better than them when special teams are not in play. The goaltending, which was supposed to be the team’s strength, has been to goaltending what William Hung is to singing.

    The sad part is…these guys have talent. Plekanec, Kovalev, Koivu, Ryder, Higgins, Latendresse, Kostitsyn…they can all score. But are they getting a chance to score? No. The “system” is a problem. And that goes back to coaching. I love Guy Carbonneau. As a player. As a coach…I think I’ll pass.

    Price: Not ready for the NHL. Gainey was wrong…a phrase I never thought to utter. But Price isn’t an NHL goalie yet.

    Okay…we all know what sucks. Let’s look for some positives in all this:
    -No more Carolina games this year.
    -Halak only allowed one and a half goals
    -O’Byrne didn’t embarrass himself.
    -Pleky won a lot of faceoffs
    -It’s nearly Christmas

    This is making me think there should be some horrible Christmas-carol parodies about the team’s effort tonight. I’ll be back.

  151. habsnyc says:

    the team ranks 15th in the NHL in scoring, albeit 29th in five on five situtations. that’s the problem. if montreal falls behind, the other team just has to be careful not to take a penalty and they win the game.

  152. ebk says:

    disagree 100% about Price. Put an NHL ready team in front of the kid and then we can make a fair assessment of him.

  153. Moey says:

    The songs were cute, but enough already. We all get the picture.

  154. Kevin says:

    Maybe the long Christmas road trip will be good for the team this year, given how much better they’ve been playing away from the Bell center.

  155. Habs Suck says:

    Some good points JT. However, I would be hesitant to include Lats in that list of talented players, and I’d leave the one-dimensional Ryder out of that list and any ‘B’ list conjured up, too.

    Coaching is key to winning with an ‘average’ team like the Habs, and unfortunately Carbo is not opening any doors with a ‘W’ on them (except maybe the ladies room)

  156. Chuck says:

    Price is ready for the NHL; the problem is, the Habs look more like an ECHL team playing in front of him, which makes his learning curve even steeper than it already is.

    Goalies will always give up goals. It’s the TYPE of goal that they give up that worries me. Upon review, three of the four goals that went in on Price tonight were deflections. The fourth was a perfectly-placed shot high off the far post. Those have been the kinds of goals that he’s given up. It’s when goalies give up shots that they should stop all day (for example, Huet and any 35-foot floater) that make me wince. Though he’s still learning, I’d take Price as my goaltender any day.

    And it’s not Price that gives up the scoring chances; it’s the team in front of him. Want to cut down his goals against? Have the team in front of him play sound defensive hockey by clearing the opposition out from in front of him to take away the deflection opportunitites. Play tighter against your check so that he doesn’t have time to set up from 10-15 feet out (remember his first game in Pittsburgh?) just like you have to do in front of any NHL goalie for him to be successful.

    The kid is still an above .500 goaltender on a team that on the whole hasn’t been supporting their goaltending, and without his stellar saves this evening it would have been 6 or 8 to 1 after the second period.

    Price ain’t the problem, folks.

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  157. Elbacky says:

    should be 2-2 now…soon it will be i feel it

  158. ganderhab says:

    say something nice Al

  159. Chuck says:

    That’s better! 2-2!!!

    Oh, wait…

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  160. Yeats says:

    Don’t start downing Cialis yet, we still have a ways to go!

  161. Girth says:

    Only one forward with no shots on net … M. Ryder.

    Unbelievable!

  162. Bill says:

    Andrei K showed great strength there … keep it up Habs! Lots of hockey left, tie it up!

  163. Naila Jinnah says:

    I nearly get a heart attack every time I see Price make a long pass like that… Because I’m sure we’re gonna score!

  164. Naila Jinnah says:

    Nice play by O’Byrne there… Could he originate the turning point for the Habs? Put some fire back in their eyes (and on their arses?)

  165. Fagstein says:

    I guess not.

  166. Barts says:

    Hey guys, STOP SHOOTING FROM OUTSIDE THE CIRCLE, Ward is out so far he could be playing defence; lets see a little bit of creativity.

  167. Bill says:

    Wow. The effing reffing is incredible. They might as well have started the game 2-0. The called-back goal is a joke, and that call on Kovy right after … what was it even for?

  168. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I just get Huet flashbacks inducing heart attack-like symptoms.

  169. Bill says:

    Chuck, I don’t hate Price!! I’m afraid for him, if anything, having to play in front of our defensively inept Habs. I think it’s starting to rattle him. Do I think he has been playing great? No, I don’t. Am I crazy?

  170. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    mmmm, maybe three O’byrnes.

  171. Fagstein says:

    Is it a policy that refs don’t explain what’s going on to players if they’re wearing a wire?

  172. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I think it was a penalty for… skating?

  173. sidhu says:

    Nice play OB

  174. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Anybody else notice notice Hamrlik jumping up in the play a little more? Shows some trust in he trust his young lackey.

  175. Ali says:

    Saved by the bell! Price pulled a Cristobal right there..

  176. Exit716 says:

    How was Staal’s cross check on Kovalev not a penalty?
    Ward looks shakey.
    It would be nice to skate with some speed through the neutral zone and expose their Jr. C calbre defense.
    We get four next period.

  177. Ed says:

    Yes, I’ve noticed it a couple of times in that 1st period.

  178. NLhabsfan says:

    2 nothing leads don’t last.Price is VERY weak on the stick side and Carolina knows it.

  179. sidhu says:

    18 shots by Carolina. I need some Carbo kush bud during this intermission.

  180. Chuck says:

    I think he’s done everything that’s been asked of him. His sole professional experience before making the Habs as a back-up was the Calder Cup run. Essentially, he’s learning to play pro hockey in the NHL.

    Price has been fine; it’s the sporadic play of the D in from of him that’s been the problem. In fact, I could probably count on one hand the number of goals that he’s allowed this year that an NHL-calibre goalie should stop… and the more that he plays, the better he’s going to get.
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  181. sidhu says:

    No goal. Big surprise – the league offices are in Toronto.

  182. Keith says:

    We got BURNED!! That was a goal!!! %^&**(#$$%ING Refs!!

  183. the_vipah says:

    Wow Boone. Shots are 4-1? We must be getting dominated. Do you even watch these games?

  184. Chuck says:

    Perhaps Bouillion will make it a mission to get his first point of the season back by scoring a goal tonight!
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  185. Fagstein says:

    Was that really conclusive? I think that was about as borderline as you can get. Hopefully it gets the team riled up enough to make up for it.

  186. Bill says:

    Well, I don’t know if it’s true that the more he plays, the better he will get. I strongly feel that a goalie should be eased into the NHL. I think he’s being rushed, and I think it could seriously affect his confidence and his game. I think Gainey was wrong here … he should have given Price a full year of pro hockey in Hamilton before throwing him into the fire in Montreal. I honestly don’t think he’s ready, and that’s my opinion.

  187. Chuck says:

    Not sure about that one… the replay didn’t conclusively show that he made an effort with his skate to direct it in. Besides, the was the defender’s stick that was moving Streit’s leg. That one should have counted.
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  188. Habs Suck says:

    I’d say he pulled a Price! He’s done that more than once in the games he’s played but that was the worst yet!

  189. Chuck says:

    Rushed, yes… but the question is whether or not he can handle the steep learing curve. Gainey, Timmins, Lever and the rest of the powers-that-be in the organization obviously feel that he has the physical and mental tools to handle it.
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  190. the_vipah says:

    Hah and now a complete joke of a call. Game is done, we got robbed a goal and now the Refs will make the fans who are booing pay for seeing the obvious.

  191. Bill says:

    Okay. Well, what do YOU think? Has is play gotten better? Or worse?

  192. NLhabsfan says:

    GYPPED!!!

  193. Chuck says:

    COMPLETELY lightweight call against Kovy!
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  194. Barts says:

    Puck was across the line before Streit got it.

  195. Naila Jinnah says:

    WOW! On the replay it seems like Price knew where the puck was the whole time everyone else was looking for it!

  196. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    looks like it’s Habs vs Canes and Refs tonight.

  197. Naila Jinnah says:

    Definitely not Price’s fault on that one…

  198. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Why are they not reviewing that high stick goal?

    WTF????

  199. Chuck says:

    Awaiting Bill’s anti-Price comment…
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  200. the_vipah says:

    Game over. Shit call on the no-goal, shit call on the penalty.

    The guy who took out Koivu’s eye and has never been made to pay the price by the Canadiens with a trip to the hospital fires a shot from the blueline and Staal whos done very little all year, burns us like usual

  201. Ed says:

    Is that goal not sweet, especially after that brutal give away by Streit on the PP. No wonder he is a team worst at -9. Let’s see if Carbonneau punishes him for that mistake.

  202. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    too many men?

  203. Mike says:

    i thought the same, but i think that toronto sports news (tsn) would take a chunck out of the refs christmas bonus if they gave a pp to the habs, when they could make it a questionable descision and not call it

  204. Kevin says:

    Now that Carbonneau doesn’t have Samsonov, Perezhogin, or Kovalev that he can blame, seems like he’s finally going to have to start having to look at himself a little more.

    Where are all the fans from last year that thought Carbo was a genius and that all the teams problems could be blamed on Kovalev? I’d really like to hear your explanation for the teams woes now…

  205. Habs Suck says:

    Impossible. All of Carbo’s mirrors are angled away from himself allowing him to only see others as the cause of the team’s demise.

  206. Angry Almond says:

    You mean he’ll be the un-Jim Popp??

  207. StillattheMapes says:

    First, our goal was good. Second. No matter what you play, do not try to deliberately hurt. So you slide your glove slimey-down and butt-end, left hand side. So who was that schmuck dirt-ball, the refs (hah) missed it but I saw it and No. 8 felt it. So you think he was pissed? Damn right.

  208. Naila Jinnah says:

    No one is more disappointed or frustrated at that one than Price.

  209. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Another bad play by Chipchura.

  210. Chuck says:

    Crap! Another deflection! Get your sticks out of the way and let him make the save!!!
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  211. NLhabsfan says:

    Stick side again.3 goals tonight on the stick side.

  212. Girth says:

    Bad line change…
    Price seems vulnerable to the quick “unexpected” release… Bret Hull style.

  213. Mr Wonderful says:

    Yippee a goal. This is still a mediocre team that can’t score 5 on 5 and has 0, as in No Grit. Any bets on how long it is before Carbo is gone and Gainey is back behind the bench?
    They can’t score but those Europeans sure can skate fast right Dave?

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  214. Chuck says:

    That one went off of Hamrlik’s stick…
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  215. Elbacky says:

    maybe if we can play on the powerplay all night we will win

  216. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Not able to catch the game….how’s Ryder playing???

  217. DYCSoccer17 says:

    If Chipchura wouldn’t have left his man in the slot to chase after a puck, it wouldn’t have mattered.

  218. Elbacky says:

    i care because the only thing worse then a loss is a loss on a night the leafs win

  219. Yeats says:

    You are so right! And, your picture is soooo funny. The Habs have the odd moment when they look like a real hockey team, but it’s all just one big tease. They are farther away from the Cup than you or I.

    Great quote! Here’s mine:

    “For some people four walls are three too many.”

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  220. Girth says:

    You’re right.
    Only noticed it on the replay…

  221. Blarneylad says:

    man,it seems like the same story over and again. montreal gets dominated, price looks bad cuz his stats suck. and kovalchuk has as many goals as our leading point getter.
    who do we play next?

  222. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Carolina announcers are clueless. They said that the Habs put glass behind the Habs bench only 2 years ago.

    Um, no. They have had glass behind the bench ever since they moved out of the Forum.

  223. Chuck says:

    Ryder’s playing tonight?
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  224. Wops says:

    O’Byrne is -2

    his fault or bad luck?
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  225. Wops says:

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  226. DYCSoccer17 says:

    So is Chipchura. Carolina’s first and third goals were his fault.

  227. Mr Wonderful says:

    Well since no one wants to make a prediction I will. 3 more loses in a row and it’s see ya later Carbo.

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  228. Wops says:

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  229. Bill says:

    Hurricanes’ fault!

  230. Bill says:

    Price – as they said in Slapshot, “too much, too soon”.

    Koivu – I still love the Captain. He is what he is, was never an offensive dynamo (okay, maybe for two months before destroying his knee ten years ago).

    Carbonneau – that’s uncalled for, Therrien was MUCH worse, and so was Vigneault, what a boob. Sure, he looks like a genius with Luongo playing for him, but well know he’s a fraud. And Julien is just a zero. So actually, Carbo is the best coach since Demers (to damn him with faint praise).

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  232. Bill says:

    Have the Habs packed it in for the night? Score one!

  233. mcLovin says:

    i got an idea: we make and sell a dvd set for the holidays of the first 20 games of the last five seasons, bundled together into one make believe season, and call it ‘what could be…” then we give the proceeds to to gainey so he can overpay for a money hungry sniper.

  234. Naila Jinnah says:

    Glove tap by Price and I agree, Chipper’s totally out of it… Maybe he’s worried about his friend Cory…

  235. Elbacky says:

    whats with cory?

  236. NLhabsfan says:

    How many times have I seen a player all alone pass the blue line with no one to pass to.

  237. DYCSoccer17 says:

    Isn’t Brian Savage a free agent? Maybe we could sign him…

    Oh wait, he can only score in the first 20 games of the season. Nevermind.

  238. Elbacky says:

    I hate to say it but is halak coming in the third?

  239. Bill says:

    And it’s a rout.

  240. Keith says:

    That was a huge mistake…

  241. habsfan2442 says:

    F’n Over

  242. linp says:

    Price is still not a #1 goalie.

    It is going to be a long winter and a boring spring. Too bad!

  243. NLhabsfan says:

    All over but the shouting.

  244. mcLovin says:

    15 shots on goal in the period. it would seem like they were trying. on paper anyway. i never liked paper though.

  245. doug says:

    price – overrated (though i’m not saying his fault and not saying that he won’t become great)

    koivu – sadly time to go

    carbonneau – worse than any habs coach since tremblay.

  246. Elbacky says:

    At least the leafs are losing going into the third as well…but it doesn’t make it much better

  247. doug says:

    thank you. send the kid down. doesn’t need this crap; the experiment is over. put huet in for a few weeks. we screwed with his head when price wasn’t ready.

    no playoffs this year.

  248. doug says:

    totally agree

  249. doug says:

    sorry, i meant halak

  250. doug says:

    who cares? that’s a loser’s attitude to look at the other also ran. . .

  251. linp says:

    Price needs to improve his reaction time. It is good to be calm. When the puck starts to bounce, the goalie needs to react fast.

  252. ebk says:

    never seen a goalie who wasn’t

  253. Naila Jinnah says:

    Urquhart got demoted to the ECHL this week…

  254. Norm0770 says:

    Just fire him and he’ll show up somewhere else as an Adams trophy candidate. Oh wait he can’t coach unlike Julien, Therrien, and Vingeault…Nevermind

  255. doug says:

    therrien i thought about. vigneault i disagree; canucks are in first in their division and he was very solid with a crap habs team. julien – ok with habs, ok with devils, ok with bruins. carbonneau – no track record of anything and hasn’t been able to do what gainey did midyear after firing julien to hire his buddy.

  256. habsnyc says:

    compare price to huet. they both get the same players infront of them.

  257. Norm0770 says:

    Price has the same number of wins in less games. Neither is being helped very much by the team though.

  258. habsnyc says:

    huet has a half goal a game better gaa as well as a better save percentage. this is the the highest quality habs roster since 1995. i guess that’s not saying much.

  259. Habs Suck says:

    Sorry, but anyone who has played or coached the position will quickly see the weaknesses:

    -slow lateral movement
    -goes down early
    -slow glove hand
    -left side cheat (often)

    And the strengths:

    -great positioning (except for that cheat)
    -excellent net coverage with his size
    -cool composure

    To be determined:
    -stick work (breakout passes are beauties, but behind the net passes are at times brutal giveaways)

    That said, he needs more time in the AHL before he could truly be identified as an NHL ready tender. That’s not a shot against him, because he is talented and shows promise, but he needs some work. Remember, Price has won games, but he has not stolen any or stood on his head to keep the team in a game.

  260. Norm0770 says:

    I think they have good players, and I think both goalies are good, and Price will get better. There is soomething else wrong with this team that keeps it from showing up every night.

  261. habsnyc says:

    yes the forwards need to be equipped with personal navigation devices so they can find the offensive zone. the East has such parity that if montreal plays .500 for 60 games, they could put it together for the final 22 games and be a force in the playoffs.

  262. Chuck says:

    No disrespect intended, but I’m faily certain that Bob Gainey, Don Lever and Rollie Melanson would disagree with your assesment.
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  263. Habs Suck says:

    None taken. But, keep in mind that the call to keep Price was a very hesitant one. I believe Gainey had more faith in Price’s NHL level development than Carbo (who’d have guessed he was right on this one – shoulda been a scout rather than a coach), so he gave Price a shot. It was not a confident choice, but a hopeful one. Don’t get me wrong, there is still hope but it will burn brighter if he goes back to Hamilton and plays more regularly.

  264. Chuck says:

    The problem is, he’s ahead of the curve in the learning process. As Don Lever said, it’s the speed of the NHL game that Carey needs to experience to further elevate his game. Playing a boatload of games in the AHL against slower teams isn’t going to help him realize his potential. It would be like taking a gifted kid and having him continually repeat the 11th grade; it’s not going to make that kid any smarter.
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  265. ebk says:

    Sorry, but anyone who has played or coached the position will quickly see the weaknesses:

    you are kidding right. Or don’t you get the irony in your own statement.

  266. ebk says:

    great point but are you a goalie/goalie coach cuz the other fellow has impressive credentials.

  267. Wops says:

    People can’t understand that in Montreal.

    Look at RDS poll, 90% of fans are for a re-build,
    but nobody is ready to loose or to see young players makes mistake.

    We’re just messed up because we were used to dominate
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  268. Chuck says:

    An assesment as level-headed as Price’s attutide. It’s the whole team’s play that has them trailing by three, not the goaltender.
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  269. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Why is it so many Habs fans insist on ripping apart our young players. Seriously, Price is 20 years old. Look over the last 10 years and tell me how many 20-year old goalies have stepped in and lead teams into the playoffs? If the Habs are as bad as everyone makes them out to be then we should all be praising him for having a winning record, even when he does have a bad game. It’s also not his fault that people see him as being an instant saviour to this team. One game he’s Jesus Price, the next game he’s overrated. Get behind the team and support the players…We are a young team building towards something great. Take a look at the roster and prospects now and compare it to 5 years ago and tell me which team you’d rather have. It’s a team on the rise, but it doesn’t mean we should be at the top yet…

  270. ebk says:

    only one goal has been price’s fault. Stillman’s at the end of the 1st and it didn’t count. Brind Amour shot was in the top corner from the top of the slot. On Whitney’s goal, Price was screen by Kostopoulous. My hockey knowledge is not on par with the expert’s faulting Price, guess I have much to learn.

  271. doug says:

    never thought he was the second coming. thought he shouldn’t have been here at the beginning of the season – was a bad call. halak deserved the chance. and precisely because of his age. . .

  272. Norm0770 says:

    I agree, the Habs have similar talent/style players as Buffalo but yet they don’t show up for half of the games. Ruff keeps his players focused with a proper game plan and happy by letting them play to their strengths.

  273. J.T. says:

    Habs can’t score.
    Habs can’t score.
    Habs can’t friggin’ score.
    Oh what fun it is for
    other teams to pot one more.

    A day or two ago, I thought the Habs were good.
    Their young guns were called up.
    But the team stayed where they stood
    Breezer on the point, spent more time on the town
    Then the ‘Canes came to the Bell
    The Habs were going down.

    Oh…Habs can’t score.
    Habs can’t score.
    Habs can’t friggin’ score.
    Oh what fun it is for other teams
    to pot one more

  274. Naila Jinnah says:

    Perfect.

  275. Mr Wonderful says:

    Time to clean house and see what we can get for Kovalev and Koivu. No sense being a 500 team (If that) year after year. Better off being terrible for a couple of years and draft a real star not these B level “Stars” like Kovalev.

    A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
    Sir Winston Churchill

  276. doug says:

    i’m ordering the $60 mayweather-hatton fight because now i’m stuck at home after choosing to do this with my saturday night. so pissed.

  277. doug says:

    we’ve got all the youth we need. if we suck then we’ll get draft picks. as for picking on kovalev. . . that line is saving us from an 0 for nov/dec

  278. Wops says:

    Off-topic

    Why does NHL.com writes KASTSITSYN, ANDREI
    while CANADIENS.com writes KOSTITSYN, ANDREI

    ?? Whats your name kid!!??! ;-)

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  279. NLhabsfan says:

    Price is young goaltenders need time to season.Get their skills developed.

  280. Bill says:

    I watch 82 Canadiens games a year. Yet I literally cannot remember the last time the Canadiens came back when they were down by two or more in the third. I know it can happen … and it must have happened for the Habs at some point in the last three years, right? Any stats geeks out there have any idea when the last time the Habs actually managed to come back from a three goal deficit was?

  281. NLhabsfan says:

    Two more losses Carbonneau is gone.

  282. doug says:

    i think he gets the rest of the season then offseason move.

  283. Mr Wonderful says:

    How bad has it gotten? I am now watching the Fig Leafs game and cheering for the Bruins. That just isn’t right.

    A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
    Sir Winston Churchill

  284. Wops says:

    On the same note,

    when was the last time the habs scored when they remove their goalie?

    Seems it never happens to us..
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  285. MatttheHabsFan says:

    While we are at it we should trade Higgins, Chipchura, Hamrlik, Komi, Markov and Huet…give me a break

  286. Bill says:

    “And not on $10 Molsons” lol, good one, Boone.

  287. Yeats says:

    I’m lucky. Down here in the lower 48, I’m watching the University of Minnesota play North Dakota. At least these guys try. I can also get a look at Habs prospect David Fisher.

  288. Mr Wonderful says:

    Since we are all depressed by the sorry state of our Habs I thought I would direct you to some levity. Below I have posted the text to one of the great stand up routines of all time and here is the audio link.http://www.nearlygood.com/audio/5stagesdrinking.html

    Larry Miller’s Five Stages of Drinking
    LEVEL 1:
    It’s 11.00 on a weeknight, you’ve had a few beers. You get up to leave because you have work the next day and one of your friends buys another round. One of your UNEMPLOYED friends. Here at level one you think to yourself, “Oh come on, this is silly, why as long as I get seven hours of sleep (snap fingers), I’m cool.”

    LEVEL 2:
    It’s midnight. You’ve had a few more beers. You’ve just spent 20 minutes arguing against artificial turf. You get up to leave again, but at level two, a little devil appears on your shoulder. And now you’re thinking, “Hey! I’m out with my friends! What am I working for anyway? These are the good times! Besides, as long as I get five hours sleep (snaps fingers) I’m cool.”

    LEVEL 3:
    One in the morning. You’ve abandoned beer for tequila. You’ve just spent 20 minutes arguing FOR artificial turf. And now you’re thinking, “Our waitress is the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen.” At level three, you love the world. On the way to the bathroom you buy a drink for the stranger at the end of the bar just because you like his face. You get drinking fantasies. (Like, “Hey fellas, if we bought our own bar, we could live together forever. We could do it. Tommy, you could cook.”) But at level three, that devil is a little bit bigger….and he’s buying. And you’re thinking, “Oh, come on, come on now. As long as I get three hours sleep … and a complete change of blood (snaps fingers), I’m cool.”

    LEVEL 4:
    Two in the morning. And the devil is bartending. For last call, you ordered a bottle of rum and a Coke. You ARE artificial turf. This time on your way to the bathroom, you punch the stranger at the end of the bar …just because you don’t like his face. And now you’re thinking, “Our busboy is the best-looking man I’ve ever seen.” You and your friends decide to leave, right after you get thrown out, and one of you knows an … after-hours bar. And here, at level four, you actually think to yourself, “Well … as long as I’m only going to get a few hours sleep anyway, I may as well … STAY UP ALL NIGHT!!!! Yeah! That’d be good for me. I don’t mind going to that board meeting looking like Keith Richards. Yeah, I’ll turn that around, make it work for me. And besides, as long as I get 31 hours sleep tomorrow …cool.

    LEVEL 5:
    Five in the morning. After unsuccessfully trying to get your money back at the tattoo parlor (“But I don’t even know anybody named Ruby!!!”), you and your friends wind up across the state line in a bar with guys who have been in prison as recently as … that morning. It’s the kind of place where even the devil is going, “Uh, I gotta turn in. I gotta be in Hell at nine. I’ve got that brunch with Hitler, I can’t miss that.” At this point, you’re all drinking some kind of thick blue liquor, like something from a Klingon wedding. A waitress with fresh stitches comes over, and you think to yourself, “Someday I’m gonna marry that girl!!” One of your friends stands up and screams, “WE’RE DRIVIN’ TO FLORIDA!!!!!” and passes out. You crawl outside for air, and then you hit the worst part of level five ~~ the sun. You weren’t expecting that were you? You never do. You walk out of a bar in daylight, and you see people on their way to work, or jogging. And they look at you, and they know. And they say, “Who’s Ruby?”

    Let’s be honest, if you’re 19 and you stay up all night, it’s like a victory like you’ve beat the night, but if you’re over 30, then that sun is like God’s flashlight. We all say the same prayer then, “I swear, I will never do this again (how long?) as long as I live!” And some of us have that little addition, “……and this time, I mean it!”

    A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
    Sir Winston Churchill

  289. Norm0770 says:

    OK, the Carolina colour guy just said “the ‘Canes game-plan tonight was to dominate the game 5 on 5″. Isn’t that everybody’s game plan?

  290. doug says:

    umm. . . i remember one in december 1997:

    Vincent Damphousse scored 55 seconds into overtime to cap the host Montreal Canadiens’ comeback from a three-goal deficit for a 4-3 victory over the St. Louis Blues last night.

    i also think there was one a couple of years later against the redwings but i think they ended up losing

  291. Chuck says:

    Yikes. Put Price back in.
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  292. yehaken says:

    How do those Hockey News predictions (Habs 16th in the East) sound now? Biggest moment of the Habs season looks like it will be the draft lottery…

  293. Bill says:

    Any minute now Patrick Roy is going to walk into the building, go to the Habs bench, spit on Carbo, and tell Gillet that he’s through with the Habs. It’s actually gotten that bad!

  294. Chuck says:

    They’ve got some pretty bright hockey minds down there, don’t they?
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  295. Bill says:

    Not Carbo’s!

  296. doug says:

    actually – if they get brutalized a few more times like this who knows.

  297. Wops says:

    Are the fans leaving??

    P.S. Kind of happy Halak got scored. People knowing nothing about goaltending will stop bitching on Price, who was left alone, and let in maybe 1 “softer” one.
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  298. doug says:

    yeah; guess i should be careful what i wish for.

  299. Gilles Poisson says:

    Mike Boones. That was a great line from Red Fisher, if that is who you meant. He is what every young sports writer should aspire to be. Thanks for that. Thank you.

  300. Ali says:

    Quick Carbo! Put a defenseman on each of the forward lines, two if you can before this gets any worse!

    I think Guy has run out of ideas, considering hes shockingly left the lines intact.

  301. Bill says:

    Haha, and now the Canes get gypped. What goes around comes around. I maintain, however, that the refs put their stamp on this one in the first ten minutes. Crap game, in large part attributable to bad refereeing … they set the dynamic of the whole game.

  302. Chuck says:

    These guys had better go through some MAJOR passing drills tomorrow. Their giveaways have been BRUTAL.
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  303. NLhabsfan says:

    Sad….maybe Monday something will happen.We need a coach.Don’t blame the players.

  304. the_vipah says:

    This team has zero grit. ZERO. We need players who can score and hit and fight and scrap for every inch of ice along the boards.

    Players who do that for this team??

    Koivu?

    This team has a european sickness. Show me a team that won the Cup in the last 20 years with nothing but soft players as their leaders.

    If we want to win on a constant basis we need to cut the fat, and fast.

  305. linp says:

    Now I want to hear what Carbo has to say after the game. I can’t wait.

  306. JDS says:

    So a show of hands….

    Who still thinks Huet should be traded?

  307. Chuck says:

    Still, if you deny the goal on the pretense that Halak was interfered with, then how do you not give the Canes a penalty for goaltender interference?
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  308. Bill says:

    I haven’t seen any unfair criticism of Price. He didn’t have a good game, it’s not exactly treason to say so. Poor Halak, why are you glad HE got scored on?! He’s got enough problems!!

  309. Naila Jinnah says:

    Didn’t we go over this already? Cyrillic is a complex language with various Arabic alphabet interpretations. Whatever’s in the Habs’ press kit is probably the way the kid wants his name spelled.

  310. Norm0770 says:

    They played like that early in the year, but it went away.

  311. Gilles Poisson says:

    Give Jimi Hendrix a guitar with no strings and he will suck too. Thank you.

  312. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Has tonight’s game changed your opinion as to whether Huet should be traded?

  313. Bill says:

    Good point! The refs are even worse than I thought!

  314. Chuck says:

    The players are the ones making the crummy passes and bad on-ice decisions, not the coach.
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  315. Chuck says:

    Good analogy.
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  316. Wops says:

    I would trade Huet.

    Don’t loose him like we lost Souray.
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    CH is for Chris Higgins

  317. Girth says:

    The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences.

    Sir Winston Churchill

  318. the_vipah says:

    Yeah, I just don’t think you can expect that kind of tough as nails play from the players on the Habs squad for 82 games.

    You go into the corner and get crunched really hard one of two things happens:

    a)You turn away at the last moment or slow up and concede the puck.
    b)You accept that you may get hurt or be sore later tonight, but roar in and make sure that if you lose the puck, you force your opponent to make that same decision the next time.

    The Habs do alot of A…

  319. mcLovin says:

    i wouldn’t call tampa a ‘hard’ team.

  320. Bill says:

    The Canadiens don’t have “nothing but soft” players. A look at the roster might remind you of that.

    Personally I would love to see the Habs pick up some Europeans who could score.

  321. Ali says:

    I would agree, IF the team was playing well defensively which is supposed to be his specialty. But they’re not. They don’t win faceoffs, and they give up tons of shots a game. If he can’t teach them defense, then what good is he?

    Give Jimi Hendrix a guitar with two strings, and he’ll still make it sound decent, at the least.

  322. saku11 says:

    no, it would be stupid to make a decision based on one game, especially since the team didn’t come to play.

  323. Girth says:

    Yup… we don’t have many players with substantial market appeal.

    … but not until Price has sufficiently ripened. (He has until February)

    Part of developing into the NHL is learning to deal and fight through adversity. Price has the “on ice” talent and potential, but still needs to learn what it means to be an NHL starter. I believe he’ll get there… in relatively short delay. However, until then we need to provide him with the appropriate support. We didn’t do that tonight.

  324. Bill says:

    An NHL player shouldn’t NEED to be TAUGHT how to win a face-off or any other rudiments of the game! Come on! It’s not kindergarten. Give Jimi a guitar with two strings and he’ll make it sound like a guitar with two strings, I say.

  325. doug says:

    and how about the fact carbonneau led us through the same thing last year? and we blamed the flu.

    nope; carbo cannot get the team back when we’re down and he starts to get sulky. not a leader behind the bench. same crap as last year – he has GOT to go.

  326. madhabsfan says:

    Let’s not blame Price. Carolina is playing like a team in midseason form
    Montreal is playing like they have not stepped on the ice together in a year.

    No chemistry. Terrible passing. Shot attempts that either graze the puck, miss the net, or get blocked easily by a defender. Humiliating cough-ups, amateur mistakes, just plain horrible!

  327. Ali says:

    So what good is a coach if he isn’t supposed to instill and get the players to execute a defensive strategy that works?

    Fine, they can’t score. That can be excused by saying they just dont have the talent up front to dominate a game offensively. But, this year they have legitimate top 3 defenseman, good goaltending on most nights, and a crapload of defensive forwards (Supposedly).

    Whats the excuse for regularly giving up 35+ shots a game?

  328. Gilles Poisson says:

    The NHL is not school. If you haven’t learned fundamentals by the time you are called on, you shouldn’t have been called on. Coach Guy isn’t there to teach. He is there to formulate a plan for the players to execute. He has some good players, I exaggerate how bad the team is, but he is shorthanded IMnotsoHO. Thank you.

  329. doug says:

    the team is more talented than you think. they just don’t get anything but immaturity from carbo. . . the silent treatment, the line changes, the random benchings. . . i can’t stand the guy.

  330. Norm0770 says:

    Really? Do the players know? They are playing like it!

  331. Gilles Poisson says:

    You are spot on as my favourite hockey analysts would say. My last post was redundant after reading yours. Thank you.

  332. Ali says:

    I think Gainey’s job is on the line too. He can’t take credit for what Timmins has done prospect wise.

  333. the_vipah says:

    Thats ridiculous.

    I said players who can score and fight for ice and along the boards.

    Want to point some of these guys out?

    Any team can grab guys like Tom Kosopulous and Begin, that doesnt make your team tough to play against.

  334. ebk says:

    bang on as always Gillies

  335. Gilles Poisson says:

    That is classic. Sure glad I dont know anybody like that. Thank you.

  336. Gilles Poisson says:

    I dont think “credit” is the right word for what Timmins has done. Thank you.

  337. the_vipah says:

    I would challenge you to find players as scrappy as Vinny and St. Louis who are even close to as dangerous on Montreal. Most of the Canadiens scoring players disappear after a hit or two, thats why Ryder is useless this year. Teams are not giving him any room at all and he is responding by gripping his stick so tight he cant get back to his game. Koivu tries his best but he is too small to simply power through all opposing players.

    I’d like to see a team try and intimidate Vinny. Oh yeah…Iginla Nieminen tried in the finals a few years ago…they failed.

    We are missing that player who refuses to lose and has the skills to back up his desire.

  338. Dougie says:

    Time for the third. Glad I’ve got a Scotch in my hand. This one’s gone.

  339. Ed says:

    After 2 periods, the top Carolina forwards are still getting much more ice time than the Canadiens. The totals for Carolina are Brind’amour 16:01; Williams 13:52; Larose 13:17; and for Montreal Kovalev 12:21; Kostitsyn 12:21; and Koivu 11:54.

    There are 2 forwards on Carolina with ice time of 2:34 & 4:28 respectively, while the least for any Canadiens’ forward is 7:04. Who wants to bet that Carbonneau shortens the bench in the 3rd, or will he continue to rest the forwards & roll 4 lines?

    Also, a really bad stat is that the Canadiens have 14 give aways & 3 take aways.

  340. Gilles Poisson says:

    I think Coach Guy should have dressed Ryder tonight. Thank you.

  341. habsfan2442 says:

    Um he did??

  342. Girth says:

    He did… I woundn’t have.

    I say we give Ryder the Mark Recchi treatment.

  343. NLhabsfan says:

    Ryder did play tonight Gilles Poisson.

  344. Grabbed The Cup says:

    If he stops dropping to his knees those stop going in.

  345. doug says:

    … and blocker side. they’ve gone there reliably and are going there often.

  346. Yeats says:

    You’re right on that one. He employs the butterfly style, but no one has told him yet that a big goaile doesn’t have to do that.

  347. Yeats says:

    If it doesn’t hit him, he ain’t gonna stop it. You get him going side to side and he’s fucking toast!

  348. Naila Jinnah says:

    Hey, I actually like the songs!

  349. J.T. says:

    Kiss my musical ass.

  350. Girth says:

    Me too… appreciate the effort.

  351. Habs Suck says:

    Is that a musical ass or a lyrical one? just for clarification.

  352. Moey says:

    You’re a class act.

  353. J.T. says:

    Both…I’m thinking of the music in my head when I write the lyrics!

  354. J.T. says:

    I appreciate the compliment, considering the fact that you’ve attempted to slag me at every turn outside of this one post! Thanks a lot.

  355. doug says:

    everyone has the right to his/her opinion. i don’t know moey but tend to agree; a few songs are ok but they get old. having said that, it’s none of my business if they come out or not; i just skip them.

    no need to be so harsh in return, though, j.t. kind of out of character from you it seems but maybe “mo e” has an “m.o.” i don’t know about.

  356. ebk says:

    J.T.
    I would never be pompous enough to tell you to stop. So keep them coming, some people seem to enjoy them.

  357. Gilles Poisson says:

    hey J.T. for once I am not being sarcastic so I hope you keep right on doing what you do. You may not welcome praise coming from a pariah like me but I have always appreciated the way you conduct yourself and I enjoy your posts and keep the Christmas carols coming please. Thank you.

  358. CHasman says:

    When a team isn’t putting out the effort that you know they can it usually has to do with the coach. Carbonneau wants to blame everyone but himself. I really think the coach has something to do with this but I don’t think Gainey will remove Carbo. Is it really time to panic? Gainey is not the type to do so and that is why he gets paid the big bucks. He watches the game and I’m sure he knows a lot more than we do.

  359. howtathor says:

    Gainey has to make a move before the season is lost. I remember the passion with which we played when Gainey was the coach and got us into the playoffs and almost beat the eventual Stanley Cup winner had it not been for a high stick. Friends are friends but this is hockey. It’s a professional sport and the players are not playing up to that standard. If it were only up to the players we could blame them but the coach is there to both motivate and to implement strategy to counter the opposition strengths. People who pay money to see the games shouldn’t be subjected to the crap we witnessed tonight and against Detroit and Nashville etc ad infinitum. No wonder they have no confidence. He put’s the blame on them. It’s been over a hundred games now and it’s clear that this is not working out. I think there is talent on this team but half the talent has already mailed it in and will not win for this coach.

  360. doug says:

    couldn’t have said it better.

  361. big_daddy says:

    we should of picked up M. Recchi off of waivers.

  362. habsnyc says:

    an undersized forward who can’t score at even strength? aren’t they required by law to play for the Habs?

  363. sidhu says:

    Hard work pays off… that’s what a fourth line needs to do

  364. Grabbed The Cup says:

    When is the next Boston game?

  365. Habs Suck says:

    there lies the irony… LOL

  366. Gilles Poisson says:

    At least someone got it. Thank you.

  367. ebk says:

    they still didn’t get it Gillies.

  368. The Teacher says:

    HAHAHAHAH,

    sorry, but I’m tired, a 11 hour drive from New Carlisle today has my funny bone all tickled up at 2AM

    Thank you <———— AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  369. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    not three seconds after I post this… somebody chooses to drive the net. I like it when I’m right.

  370. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    If every time we head up ice we’re going to choose to shoot before even reaching the face off circle, we’ll score… never. Take the puck to the bloody net. harrrrd.

  371. Blarneylad says:

    wow. not much to say exept that im out guys, have a good night im not sticking around for this and the 3rd period. Going to watch an x-mas movie, at least they have happy endings haha

  372. Norm0770 says:

    So dispite their poor play of late the Habs are still in the thick of the playoff race (only 1 point out of 4th place). I really hope that Gainey doesn’t deliberate too long on making some kind of change before they slip out of contention.

  373. Habs Suck says:

    True the are only 1 point out of 4th, but an honest 7th place in the conference and on a slide while the Pens and Leafs are moving up and playing better hockey of late. If they continue on this slide – and mark my words they will if some serious changes don’t occur soon – they will be out of the playoff race by the end of January.

  374. Wops says:

    WTF Matt Cullen with 23 assists ?!?! He has more assist than any habs player have points!
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  375. Chuck says:

    Not his fault, considering he’s come up with some huge saves to keep it from being 6-1, but pull Carey. They guys are playing like sh#t it fromt of him.
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  376. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Price will be a great goalie, but he needs to work on a couple of things, his five hole and staying on his f’ing skates.

  377. Dougie says:

    Halak for Period #3. Price needs a rest. Had to happen some time. But where’s the defence tonight?

  378. Wops says:

    O’Byrne -2, shit… I wish they won’t loose patience with the kid. Let him play 10 games at least!
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  379. saku11 says:

    haahahahahahahaha… nice

  380. NLhabsfan says:

    I am sure Ryder would love to leave a sinking ship.Just where are you coming from.Think hockey sense.I agree with howtathor.

  381. Gilles Poisson says:

    Imagine theres no Habbies (do de doo de doo)
    It isnt hard to do
    Nothing to get drunk and rave about
    And no Michael Ryder too.
    Imagine all the Habs fans
    with something else to do ooo ooo
    You may say
    Im a drunkard
    but I’m only the best looking one.
    I hope someday you will join me
    and you’ll see it is just in fun.
    Thank you.

  382. NLhabsfan says:

    LOOK past Ryder think coach.

  383. Andrea says:

    I was at the game that was absoulutly awful.so frustrating, th habs really can’t score 5 0n 5!!

  384. RH says:

    I’ve always been a great fan of Michael Ryder. A couple of years ago, I was all set to go out and buy a Ryder jersey, for my wife of course, until I got to the store and saw the price tag. Let’s just say my wife loves the long sleeved t-shirt I bought her, for a hell of a lot less than the asking price of a jersey with a name on it. Anyway, I hate to say it but, I think Ryder has finally worn out his welcome in Montreal. He’s playing hard but, damnit, if your forte is goals, then ya gotta score goals!!!! I think Ryder will stay on the team until the trading deadline and, depending on what position the Habs are in, he’ll most likely get traded for a draft pick, at least. Hey, all things considered, he hasn’t done too shabby for a 9th round draft pick!

    Carey Price needs a couple of games off to recoup. This is too much for a rookie who should be in Hamilton honing his skills.

  385. Gilles Poisson says:

    Ryder’s playing his butt off out there, really playing hard. It’s like when you own a bar and you have a retarded guy washing the dishes for you. It’s not easy to send him packing. Thank you.

  386. snowdonsteve says:

    am i the only one sick of the after game comments… the boos are tought … we got to keep them in our heads … they we’re right to boo us…

    But then Carbo said domething that was quite interesting, when he talked about not putting the blame on the young players beeing that they we’re on a learning curve…

    if i did’nt know better i’d say that’s the thinking of a team in reconstruction.

    In the lost & found box of the habs locker room you can probebly find the following
    * Koivu’s legs
    * Ryder’s scoring touch (no shot on goals tonite… way to get the message)

    i’m watching the pens VS canuck games… watching the pens play reminds me that finishing last a couple of years in a row has it’s perks… maybe that’s what the habs should do, at least we’d be loosing for some good reason. we could even enjoy watching a team progression instead of the constant level of averageness our habs have been displayed in the last decade.
    Go HABS Go

  387. Kevin says:

    Anyone think that the Bell Center will start chanting “Fire Carbo” a la Atlanta?

  388. saku11 says:

    I think Gainey would do a better job behind the bench than Carbo. I know it`s easy to blame the coach, but a coaching change can have a large positive impact on a team. Look at Columbus and Atlanta. You can make the argument that Bob Hartley is a very good coach, however he obviously lost the room and his players weren`t putting in an honest effort.

  389. Norm0770 says:

    The thing is a few years ago they were a team without any talent (Jonas Hoglund, Patrick Poulin…) but they played hard every night and every shift and with Theo on top of his game they were able to steal a few game, but the effort was there.

    Now they have some talent, but the team has stopped playing. I can understand when they loose but when they don’t even show up it is inexcusable!

  390. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Recorded the game and turned it of at the end of the first,poor Price,at times he looked like the only Hab on the ice.Maybe ask some of the fans at the Bell to lace em up,couldn’t be worse than Ryders showing!Hate to say it ,but if we want this mess fixed or changed,keep the BOOOing going.It’s heart breaking but an effective tool for change.

  391. Habs Suck says:

    Nice analogy!!! ROFL!!!!!

  392. Habs Suck says:

    True… hate to say it for the players’ sake, but there’s power in the collective voice of the people. The fans are the bread and butter of a team’s support and if they aren’t pleased (with good cause) then management, staff, and players should hear it loud and clear.

  393. Habs Suck says:

    I wonder if Bob Hartley is salivating at the prospect of coming to coach the Habs? I wonder if the other Bob is considering him?

  394. snowdonsteve says:

    have’nt we’ve seen that movie before… Bob fired julien, went behind the bench… made the playoff to loose in 6 games in the first round. maybe they should try a trage first… the core of this team seems rotten
    Go HABS Go

  395. Gilles Poisson says:

    So Mike Boones are you home yet? I have a bone to pick. Actually I just wanted to thank you for the nice job you did blogging the game, especially for those not unfortunate enough to have watched it. Thank you.

  396. Norm0770 says:

    Gainey would have to consider Hartley, as he can speak french. Are there currently any other coaches with NHL experience that speak french availible?

  397. Wops says:

    Ouch…

    Cole joked after the game that even he was trying to egg on the hostile Bell Centre crowd.

    “Towards the end of the game I was booing from the penalty box for the fans, just trying to start something for them,” he said. “We addressed it. You can get the crowd turned on them a little bit.”

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  398. Gilles Poisson says:

    Wow. When the other team is booing you that is a problem. Thank you.

  399. Erik says:

    Who gives a flying f if they can speak french or if they dont. Man no need to pick form a shrunken pool of candidates jeez

  400. saku11 says:

    we lost to the eventual Stanley Cup winners. We also lost Koivu who was dominant during the series after Justin Williams decided to try to carve his eye out with his stick.

  401. Mike Boone says:

    I’m home. I’m decompressing with two Guinnesses and then I’m going to sleep this off and watch football on Sunday.
    Thing is, I’m a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. And they’re going to get beat worse than Canadiens … albeit while offfering greaer resistance..

  402. Gilles Poisson says:

    Non. I think “the streak” ends tomorrow. And Gilles Poisson is not talking about Ray Stevens. Thank you.

  403. Gilles Poisson says:

    In fact, and I don’t normally do this… I am guaranteeing the win for the Steelers tomorrow. Thank you.

  404. ebk says:

    the Steelers will give the Pats all they can handle and more on Sunday. Usually like to bet bigger amounts but a twoonie says the steelers cover the spread.

  405. Chuck says:

    I’d *almost* be willing to take that bet!
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  406. Chuck says:

    Mike, are you sure that two will be enough? Or do you plan to kick them up a notch by mixing them with energy drinks?
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  407. Chuck says:

    I’m probably going to go to hell for laughing out loud at that.
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  408. Chuck says:

    Hey… 500 comments!

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  409. Plek-Andrew says:

    LOL i’ve never laughed so much on this site before.

    Let’s just top this off with what we think would be absolutely RIDICULOUS trades lol.

    I love it when fans do that.

    “DUDE, BOB GAINEY SHOULD TRADE RYDER FOR LECAVALIER”

  410. Plek-Andrew says:

    OH and anybody notice Harmlik got himself a new pair of skates :O!

    He is now wearing the Alex Kovalev skate. the RBK 9k pumps… they’re freakin gorgeous… they AUTOMATICALLY make you look like a better skater.

  411. showey47 says:

    Thank god i am way to drunk to watch the pvr as i heard the brutal score. Carbo is once again on the hot seat and i think there will be a trade by tuesday. I am off to bed. oh well as a wise man once said “giggy giggy, alright” glen quagmire.

  412. The Teacher says:

    For a little bit of Levity, and to get us all in the mood for the holidays,

    with props to Cournoyer12

    Here is my version of The Twelve Days of Christmas, adopted for the Habs and their one true love

    12 Scrummers Scrumming
    11 Snipers Sniping
    10 Danglers-a deke-ing
    9 Defensive snarings
    8 Goalies A-jilting
    7 Rockets A-grinning
    6 Beatings A-Laying
    5 Lady Byyyyyyyyyyyngs
    4 Forwards scoring (copyright Cournoyer12)
    3 Wingers Winging (copyright Cournoyer12)
    2 Power Forwards (copyright Cournoyer12)
    1 True Stanley Cup

    Naturally, I had to include one of the ghosts of Habs history to complete it, wouldn’t we all agree :)

  413. The Teacher says:

    HAHAHA, nice

  414. Exit716 says:

    Cole shouldn’t boo the players that pay part of his salary through welfare sharing.

  415. Norm0770 says:

    Why do you think the last 4 coaches have had NO experience and 3 of them have come from the QMJHL? Imagine how pissed the french media would be if the captain AND the coach couldn’t speak french. I’m not saying it is right but it seems to have become a requirement for the head coach of the Canadiens to speak french.

    I don’t know if he was bilingual or not but Al MacNeil may have been the last coach who didn’t speak french.

  416. Yeats says:

    You’ve made my first cup of coffee that much better this morning.

  417. Gilles Poisson says:

    There is some good reading this morning Mr Yeats. I find it much easier when the words aren’t moving around the screen. Mr. Wonderful posted an absolute claasic. Thank you.

  418. linp says:

    Save by the bell! That will teach Price a lesson.

    How come no one advise Komisarek to stay back during PK. He has given up so many goals by moving out of position. Either our players didn’t follow instructions or our coaches are incompetence.

  419. Norm0770 says:

    Incompetent coaches.

  420. Bill says:

    Listen to the boos … can’t blame them, how many times have I paid hundreds of dollars to watch the Habs get creamed? This one only cost me a ten dollar bottle of wine, thank goodness. I STILL can’t drag myself away to hit the staff party, I need to watch the third, what is WRONG with me?

    There is just nothing good going on here. The offence is weak, the defence is weak, and this is probably Price’s weakest game so far. Anyone out there got a silver lining?

    J’accuse the entire team, all three coaches, the GM, all the scouts, and the president too!

    How long before talk of the Patrick Roy curse starts to sound serious?

  421. doug says:

    a. hit the party
    b. i don’t blame gainey or boivin, realizing you’re being sarcastic

  422. Chuck says:

    They had better hurry up and retire number 33!
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  423. Norm0770 says:

    The Roy curse will be broken if the hire him to coach or retire his number. I think currently they are in need of a better coach than more banners in the rafters.

  424. saku11 says:

    I agree with that. In my opinion, some people are too quick to blame the goaltender. Carolina was doing what they wanted in our zone, no goaltender would have won us this game.

  425. Chuck says:

    And keep in mind that if Carey was really the problem he would have been pulled right after the fourth goal, and not replaced to start the 3rd period.
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  426. doug says:

    i don’t think JT (or me, earlier) mean to blame price. He is the victim of the system, but it’s not appropriate to have him up here right now and I agree with everything she said.

  427. Chuck says:

    And the problem is that sending him down to Hamilton doesn’t do his development any good, either. He’s proven that he’s ready to accept the challenge of the faster NHL game; playing for Hamilton against a bunch of slower career AHL’ers noes nothing to grow his talent.

    He’s got a good head on his shoulders, so unless Gainey thinks that he’s not ready to handle being on a team that’s facing adversity, he won’t be going back to Hamilton. After all, you have to learn how to handle losing before you can call yourself a winner. The current state of the team is just another learning experience for the kid.
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  428. doug says:

    you make a good point. i was frustrated.

  429. Chuck says:

    You’ve got a lot of company! Frustrated is just the tip of the iceberg!
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  430. Chuck says:

    Boone, the two “softies” that you attribute to Price were both deflections. Can’t fault him on those, though I bet that he’d like another look at the 4th goal.
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  431. doug says:

    carolina announcers are so brutal. . . such homers.

    i’m so sick of his phrase “canadiens shot but ward says NO!” so repetitive. be glad you can’t hear it.

    he has now, in the past two games, suggested that:

    a. ward is the best goalie in the nhl (last game)
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    b. eric cole is the best power forward in the nhl (tonight)

    brutal. . .

  432. Exit716 says:

    I was watching that feed because I walked the dog in the first intermission.
    Seriously, Carolina doesn’t look like any hell tonight either. Their defense is weak and prone to turnovers.

  433. Chuck says:

    It’s funny how garbage goals can be so satisfying!
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  434. Gilles Poisson says:

    I’m going to send “Career Opportunities” out to my boy #73. It would be too easy to send Cheapskates out to Gillette but that hasn’t been the case. I’ll send “Cool under heat” out to Price…he’ll be ok. I’ll send “Deny” out to my favourite hockey analysts here. And I’ll drink a beer in honour of my man Joe Strummer. Thank you.

  435. DYCSoccer17 says:

    he kicked it in. no goal

  436. MatttheHabsFan says:

    I’m assuming this poll was done during tonight’s game? I bet if the same poll question was done during the first period of last game the score would have been about 15% or less.

  437. Mike says:

    is that point # 1 for boullion?

  438. the_vipah says:

    There was no kicking motion there, just a continuation from his drive to the net. This will get called no goal like usual, because its ok for players from new jersey to body check Jeff Hacket out of the net and score, but any borderline call will go against us.

  439. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Even if this loss is Price’s fault, it’s no cause for calling him overrated. Goalies have good games and bad games…how was Luongo at the start of this year? How about Brodeur? Better yet…how has #1 overall Fleury been playing this year….4 goals is probably close to a median performance for him this year. He may lose us the odd game, but these things happen.

  440. ebk says:

    this was not Price’s fault

  441. Gilles Poisson says:

    Thank you for my mistake. Thank you.

  442. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Exactly…

  443. Chuck says:

    The problem is, many folks just listen to the hype about Price’s promise, and figure that he should get a shutout every game. They forget that he’s still learning, just as the rest of the youngsters on this team are.
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  444. ganderhab says:

    hey Mike – easy on the steady negativity – it’s like listening to Al Strachan

  445. Naila Jinnah says:

    WHAT? It looked (at least on TV) like the puck was already in before he “kicked” it in.

  446. Bill says:

    He didn’t even kick it anyway!!!

  447. Keith says:

    This game is like a very slow and painful death. Sort of like having your guts scooped out with a spoon.

  448. Bill says:

    The refs are actually evening up the calls to make this look good on paper. Sickening. A-holes!

  449. Bill says:

    Wow. I skipped my staff party for this, and I would do it again … but that period was hard to swallow. It was not as one-sided as the shot-totals would suggest. Should be all square at 1-1, but this time a truly outrageous reffing job really puts the screws to the Habs. Where in the !$%#!! is the kicking motion on that goal? I don’t even think it touched his skate. That is BALONEY. And then to call that phantom penalty right after … that is maddening.

  450. Yeats says:

    Another Saturday night of sucky hockey, let’s all get drunk and puke!

  451. NLhabsfan says:

    I believe Montreal is playing better than the 8 shots they got.Nothing sucky about their play.

  452. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I’m still down for getting drunk and puking though! oh yaaa.

  453. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Am I the only one who would like to see Larose take a cross-check to the mouth and bust that stupid grin right off his his face…

  454. doug says:

    two goals during the power plays, then pull the goalie for the last 5 minutes, score two more, and win in o.t. i’m not a betting man but i see it happening.

  455. Wops says:

    We need to score on 5-3…
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  456. Naila Jinnah says:

    Now THAT’s a save!!! And look at that, it came after 4 consecutive shots. Who would have thunk it?

  457. Yeats says:

    Carbo you got to let me know
    Should I stay or should I go
    If you say that we will score
    I might be willin’ to watch more
    So you got to let me know
    Should I stay or should I go

    It’s always tease, tease, tease
    But the Habs’ forwards are on their knees
    One day is fine, the next is black
    So if you want me to come back
    Well come on and let me know
    Should I stay or should I go

    Should I stay or should I go now
    Should I stay or should I go now
    I could go watch a movie
    But if I watch the Habs they’ll screw me
    So come on and let me know

    These line combos are bugging me
    (Esta undecision me molesta)
    If you don’t want Ryder, set him free
    (Si no me quieres, librame)
    Exactly what’s he supposed to be
    (Diga me que tengo ser)
    Don’t know if it’s line one or three
    (¿Saves que robas me queurda)
    Come on and let us know
    (Me tienes que desir)
    Do the Habs suck or do they blow
    (¿Me debo ir o quedarme)

    (¿Yo me frio o lo sophlo)

    Should I stay or should I go now
    (¿Yo me frio o lo sophlo?)
    Should I stay or should I go now
    (¿Yo me frio o lo sophlo?)
    I could go watch a freaking movie
    (Si me voi va ver peligro)
    And if I stay the Habs will screw me
    (Si me quedo es doble)
    So you gotta let me know
    (Me tienes que decir)
    Should I commit or should I go
    (¿Yo me frio o lo sophlo)
    Should I stay or should I go now
    (¿Yo me frio o lo sophlo?)
    If I go there might be regret
    (Si me voi va ver peligro)
    A Habs win let’s just forget
    (Si me quedo es doble)
    So you gotta let me know
    (Me tienes que decir)
    Should I stay or should I go

  458. Naila Jinnah says:

    Oh man, that’s genius!

  459. mcLovin says:

    good stuff. i was always waiting for a clash hockey song, and it never came.

  460. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Where did you pick up that Spanish… there are a lot of fine Peurto Rican ladies in NY. ;)

  461. Moey says:

    Brilliant!!

    What a spanking, not good.

    One question, I’ve noticed that a few of the diehard fans that attended the summit don’t post anymore. Any idea why? Have they all jumped off the bandwagon?

  462. Ed says:

    Kostopoulos & Lapierre on the PP, & now Ryder on the point. Am I imagining this?

  463. Wops says:

    5-1, PP not working.

    you try something, you send a message, that’s just normal.
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  464. Kevin says:

    I like the 4 forward PP Carbo tried. Should have done that long ago…

  465. leafs67_andcounting says:

    18-8 shots on goal against.
    Way to get your team ready again Carbo

  466. Wops says:

    Come on…

    The players are professional, they know what they have to do.
    They’re not little kids you have to hold by the hand.

    When you’re playing hockey, you need someone to get you in the zone?

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  467. Yeats says:

    Yea, I think you’re right!

  468. doug says:

    at least you provided one highlight tonight, yeats.

  469. CHasman says:

    Here’s what I think we need for lines. Two good scoring lines, (or at least that is their function) a third line that should be able to score and play well defensively) and a fourth grinder line. If they had Begin he would be the perfect fit for the fourth line instead of Streit. The fourth line is so important for going out there and creating havoc, changing the tempo. They have to all be tough. Streit is not only not tough, he loses too many battles for the puck. I know when Gainey let Murray go he wanted to make room for the young guys, but really, you need a young guy to play that role. With the line-up as posted the third and fourth lines are basically the same. One tough, defensive player short.

  470. P St. Pierre says:

    According to TSN, the lines for tonight’s game will be as follows:

    Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
    Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev
    Latendresse-Chipchura-Dandenault
    Streit-Lapierre-Kostopoulos

    Markov-Komisarek
    Hamerlik-O’Byrne
    Boullion-Brisebois

    Price

    I’d really like to see Gorges on D and the Breeze in the pressbox.

  471. Yeats says:

    You can’t win, if you can’t score. Let’s stop bitching about the refs once and for all. Our offense is about as effective as a mesh condom!

  472. Wops says:

    HAhahahaha
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  473. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    those don’t work? ah damn.

  474. fun police says:

    dont complain about offense with two defensemen as forwards.

  475. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Anybody getting the feeling the players have lost all trust in their coaches deicions?

  476. Yeats says:

    Perhaps, but I get the feeling that our forwards just plain suck.

  477. Yeats says:

    Yes, I grew up in the Bronx. And, you are right about the “talent.” But I had to take two years of Spanish in college at Columbia. I still can sing the Shafer Malta jingle. Shafer ceveza y esta una…..

  478. Billy says:

    any news on the lines and who’s sitting tonight?

  479. P St. Pierre says:

    I agree with your assessment and I hope he plays well. As you said, Ryder’s had lots of shots and lots of powerplay time. Even though he’s not been on the top line, he’s still getting time on the powerplay where he had most of his goals last year. In my opinion, there is no real reason to blame Carbonneau for this situation. Ryder’s had lots of opportunity to snap out of his funk. Let’s hope he does tonight.

  480. doogie says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to actually see this team play well and win games at home?

    Somebody go get the ghosts from St. Catherine’s St over there soon!

    Killer instinct would be nice too!

  481. Wops says:

    is Ryder coming back on the first line?
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  482. likehoy says:

    fearless prediction:
    Ryder 2g 1a tonight

  483. sidhu says:

    Nothing sucky about their play?? Carolina had 18 shots in the period. Res ipsa loquitur, which is latin for: “They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.” (Homer Simpson)

  484. Chuck says:

    On a side note, did anyone see Cherry’s outfit on Coach’s Corner? I think that he was smoking some of Carbo’s weed… very psychedelic!
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  485. Ed says:

    And very hard to look at.

  486. Yeats says:

    Erik Cole played NCAA D-1 for Clarkson University, not exactly a hockey powerhouse down here in the lower 48, and he outshines all of our guys with the sexy European pedigrees every time we play the Canes. Explain it to me, please.

  487. Yeats says:

    You can of course, play the odds!

  488. Elbacky says:

    Obviously goals have to be reviewed in Toronto, no chance on getting away with anything

  489. Ed says:

    The top Carolina forwards are getting much more ice time than the Canadiens. After the first it is:
    Brind’amour 8:09
    Williams 7:56
    Larose 7:19
    Stall 7:09

    Kovalev 6:36
    Kostitsyn 6:21
    Plekanec 6:09

    The good news is that the Canadiens won 58% of the faceoffs, but the bad news is they were outshot 18-8, & outscored 2-0.

  490. Naila Jinnah says:

    YES YES YES!

    That’s what happens when you don’t give up! :)

  491. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    JUST LIKE THAT!

  492. Yeats says:

    What sniper do we posess that you would put in their place. This team’s forwards just plain suck. I mean really, aside from a bunch of bullshit pickup goals, what has Higgins done?


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