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And the homeboy goaltender was pretty darn good.
1: To get the better of (transitive verb)
To gain superiority, to win
Synonyms : Conquer, beat, triumph
As for Cammalleri, I disagree about him being invisible for stretches. Until this year he’s only had one year, with a chronic shoulder injury bugging him, that he hasn’t been an extremely consistent scorer. He’s a streaky scorer, like most are, but he’s not invisible between goals. He’s constantly getting the puck in good areas, this year just hasn’t being going right for him. And while Cammalleri isn’t very good defensively, he doesn’t dog it.
Cammalleri and Tanguay are both prone to physical mismatches, poor on the defensive side of the puck and prone to being invisible for long stretches. So yes, one is a goal scorer and the other is a passer, but without the puck, they are very similar in my opinion.
Whoops…my bad on Streit. Forgot the year. Schneider was the mad bomber that year.
You know what, this is getting pointless. You’re using incredibly weak and baseless opinions in an attempt to minimize what Markov brings to this team so that his absence from this season’s and last season’s teams don’t loom as large in this argument as they do in reality. He was a part of the former core group without any substantial time missed due to injury, the teams’ records are strikingly similar except for one thing. This group hasn’t had its best player who does have all of the impact that others have been pointing out to you, and more.
Your affection for the prior group is fine if not commendable, but like I said, trying to minimize Markov’s value in an attempt to make the prior group look stronger is crap.
What you’re saying is what I actually meant to write. Markov basically adds a positive goal differential of +0.5 per game, not 0.5 goals for per game.
What some people can play through versus others is not a conversation I like to engage in. I don’t know what another person’s pain threshold is…I know only mine.
I’ve got all sorts of chronic issues…two herniated discs in my back being the most severe. I will play sports until the pain gets too much for me. At that point, I stop, regardless of whether my team needs me. There isn’t a person in this world’s whose opinion on my health and well-being trumps my own. If Tanguay felt the same way, good for him.
I’m not arguing we should have signed him. But I have no problem with they guy either.
And he did have to wait a long time to get offered another contract. But that was partially due to the salary cap constraints and trying to find a team that was a good fit. I’m not his agent, so I don’t know what deals were out there.
Sorry to jump in on your reply to Andrew, but Markov has 363 points in 616 games. So he’s actually better than a point for every two games played. And one thing that Andrew didn’t mention that I will, is that with Markov, we spend far less time in our end of the rink due to his ability to move the puck out quickly.
As for upgrades or lateral moves. With the exception of Koivu, every move was an upgrade in something you can’t measure on a box score, heart.
Latendresse to Pouliot
Kovalev to Gionta
Tanguay to Cammalleri
Komisarek to Gill
The playoff results in their last season compared to what last year’s team did is proof of that.
I’ve never bought that it was a refusal, so nope…I’ll discuss it.
If the guy felt like his shoulder was bugging him and limiting his effectiveness, I have no problem with him pulling himself from the lineup. If you’re not able to physically help the team, don’t play.
Until I hear it from the medical staff on the team that Tanguay didn’t have real medical reasons to sit out, I’m giving a guy who has a long track record in the NHL the benefit of the doubt.
I like Komisarek because he’s a big body that can skate relatively well, blocked shots and played the right side (a glaring organizational weakness at the time that has been tempered with the development of Weber and Subban). I recognized his limitations when everybody else was making him out to be the new Scott Stevens or Mark Tinordi. I still think that, paired with the right guy, he can contribute to a very effective defensive pairing.
As for the rest…if you look back, the Habs goals for versus goals against has been pretty consistent…it is blipping in the wrong directions right now, obviously, but that has been going on since approximately December 1. Price’s other-worldly start has descended into merely excellent while the team has continued to struggle to score. So I don’t feel like I’m cherry picking those particular numbers.
The Markov assessment is fair, although I don’t think I would go so far as to say he adds 0.5 goals per game…there are very few players that can contribute that kind of improvement to a team’s scoring. Markov is a distributor, one of the best in the game, but the shooters have simply not been hitting the net this season. The chances have been there, even without Markov, but the execution has not.
As for the coach comment, I think that is mitigated by the fact that Gainey took over at the end of 2008-09, so there was an adjustment there. I also didn’t mitigate the previous team’s performance by saying that the team had obviously quit on Carbo, as I don’t really know how to put into perspective how that changed things.
I did like the previous teams and really don’t care all that much for any of the non-homegrown players on the roster. I just have never liked the mercenary aspect of that change. That being said, my biggest complaint was always that Gainey blew up the old team only to replace it with a lot of similar players. Gomez vs. Koivu, Cammalleri vs. Tanguay, Spacek vs. Streit, Moen vs. Kostopoulos…you look up and down and while you can argue that the newer guys might or might not be better, they mostly played relatively similar games. Games that were horiffically exposed against the Bruins and the Flyers.
Like I said, the advantage still lies with the current team. But their window isn’t that long, and I’m not seeing the moves that need to be made to address the vulnerabilities, nor do I see the assets in the system to address those issues. We’re putting a lot of hope on Pacioretty, Subban and Pouliot to carry this team forward this spring.
Haha, Phillips is definitely better then Picard. I wouldn’t give up anything more than a 3rd rounder for him. And if I’d given up my next two second rounders in prior deals, I probably wouldn’t be shopping my 3rd round picks for rentals.
I know one crazy GM that did. It’s not like Gomez was scoring 50 goals a season back then.
But Phillips is terrible?? Why do we need another terrible defenseman? Is Phillips really better than Picard?
Wow – that’s a GREAT post.
Whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?
Be at the team hotel around 1pm this afternoon.
After the game, good luck. They’ll probably be in a hurry to get home for the Leaf game Thursday night.
Halpern on the second line as a winger is absolutely ridiculous.
Lol. I’ll be watching. Someone better start putting the puck in the net.
0 to 0
O’Byrne only fits into the Top-4 of a team’s defence when he’s playing next to a guy like Markov or Liles, when he isn’t, he’s 3rd pair. 3rd-pairing Ds are not impossible to find last I checked.
– I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
That’s one theory. Another is that the problem is Martin’s antiquated 5 man System which I believe does not work in today’s NHL.
um where is the part where you refute all of this?
GWG = game winning gionta!
I’m foreseeing yet another 3+ goal win by the western home team. And because I want another Habs loss like I’d love a root canal, I’m hoping the eternal HIO optimists are correct in their predictions!
no blow out tonight it will be a tight checking game low scoring , and we will have a great shot at winning it.smiles…..
It’s only a good thing if he misses the rest of the next season too!!!
If we see a page full of Z’s in your blog can we assume you fell asleep on your keyboard ?
Einstein’s definition of insanity – “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
Sportsnet is reporting that Spacek will miss the rest of the season….
i think they are looking to pick up some salary just to get to the floor – although, IMO anyone would be crazy to take on that salary (in a player like gomez anyway)
Around Christmas, the Habs weathered the losses of Koivu, Komisarek, Price, Dandenault and Higgins.
Once those guys had mostly returned, they had a second major injury period where they lost Tanguay, Latendresse, Lang and Bouillon for significant periods.
And then entering the playoffs, they were dealing with injuries to Markov, Tanguay, Lang, Schneider and Bouillon while Streit was playing with basically one arm. That’s a pretty significant injury list in terms of your offensive firepower.
Hmmmm…interesting. If you drop the C’s and turn the M into an H his name becomes a-hole.
“When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
My bold prediction. If the Habs win this game they’ll get two points.
I agree. We will have this game in the bag by the start of the 3rd.
Even the most optimistic of Habs fans would have to be high to predict anything other than a blowout tonight. This could get ugly for Price just like last season’s visit but hopefully it won’t ruin the rest of the season for him like last year’s game did.
Been a Habs fan since I was in 2nd grade and sat behind Patrick Roy at the Aud.
Bold prediction – Gomez will be a minus tonight.
how often does this really happen?
Not true man. Spach is a good Hab and the reason he is not playing well is because he is playing out of his element. At this stage of his career he is a 10 minutes per game kind of guy. Same goes for Hammer. I like both of these guys and if Habs had enough depth (thanks BG and PG) on D, these two would be number 5 and 6.
well in all honesty i don’t thinkd epth on d is an issue…
with guys like gorges and markov out for the season it’s hard to blame PG for that…
thankfully we’ve had guy like weber and subban stepping it up like crazy (that’s depth for ya)
From Hockey Prospectus regarding Habs Prospect C Michael Bournival
“Drafted by Colorado in the 2010 Draft, Michael Bournival was dealt to Montreal this year in the Ryan O’Byrne trade. While Bournival has put up decent counting numbers over the last two QMJHL seasons, he doesn’t have much offensive upside and projects as a bottom-six guy at best. He is solid physically around the sideboards and is displays good work ethic. He excels in the cycle game when he can protect the puck and work it around to his teammates. His puck skills are fair, but his skating is the real issue that will hold him back. He’s a fringe skater and looks very awkward at times especially when trying to burst up the ice. His even-strength defensive awareness is fine, but his penalty killing could use some work.”
Sounds like a keeper.
Misha, the D is not the reason period. The reason Habs don’t win 4-0 games is because we have overpaid bums up front who do jack all season long, and don’t help out in our end. Our defense can be decent and usual is when a) they get help from the forwards b) any of the useless guys with the Forward designation score at least couple of times in a game.
Player bashing continues. But try to remember some of these things…. We have won only 1 game without Gomez in the last 2 seasons, without Spach we are 9-12 and without Gill we are 6-12….
So you guys can hopefully do the math, but in case you cannot. WE ARE A BETTER TEAM WITH THESE GUYS IN THE LINEUP.
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
80-65 is the current HABS OPTIMISTS RECORD….
65-80 for the negative Habs posters….
WHO’s winning in the last 2 seasons???
Misha #2… i totally agree that the offence is umm.. laughable at times
just addressing the fact that if there is one thing we shouldn’t complain about is our d and goaltending
Oh yeah….well I say zero goals for AK tonite!
I haven’t even seen the kid play, it’s hard to outright refute analysis of a 3rd-round draft choice from a Hockey Prospects site. I take what I can pick up and share it around. I like the hard-work players at a young age though, some of them have that ethic that simply makes them a better player later on. Not sure if Bournival is for sure one of those guys but he was well-thought of to nearly make the WJC as an 18-year old (and would have if Cizikas hadn’t played for the HC Of Team Canada’s OHL team).
More like 11:10 AT here in Freddy Beach, N.B. Too late for me.
So we traded a large sized NHL roster defenceman for a Q-League maybe?
I am not filled with confidence. A serious undervaluing of OB and a major steal for Colorado.
And the brain trust traded O’Byrne for a kid that can’t skate? Typical.
Yes, I will be wearing my bag after the 1st period.
I’ll bet the Canuckleheads are shaking in their boots after seeing those Habs lines at practice! LOL!
So, like teams that don’t have scoring forwards win?
In what universe?
O’Byrne couldn’t think.
I don’t think the Habs’ win-loss record (1-3-2) without Gomez says anything at all.
During those games we played the Red Wings twice and the Capitals and Penguins once, along with the Blue Jackets and Leafs. Aside from the Leafs and Blue Jackets, who the Habs beat to get their only win without Gomez, those are great teams we played. Its easily arguable that we would have lost those games with or without Gomez.
In addition, two of those losses (3-1 to the leafs on 11/Dec/10 and 3-1 to the Penguins on 25/Nov/09) came on the second day of a back to back match.
So while its sexy to say ” we’ve only won one game without Gomez” its important to remember how many games we were talking about and which teams we played and what the schedule was like during said stretch.
I know you already know this. But a reminder is helpful.
***I feel like its important to note that I’m not a Gomez basher at all. In fact, I’m mostly likely in the minority percentage that doesn’t hate him.
I’ve got some: a defenceman will be injured, most of the Canadiens shots will come from the outside, the Canucks will crash Carey Price with impunity, and JM will put Halpern on the top line and bench Eller.
Full Breezer 4 Life
Bottom-six sluggish skater who cycles well and has decent defensive awareness? He’s tailor-made for THE SYSTEM, I can see the attraction!
Full Breezer 4 Life
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