Can Guy Boucher coach or what?

Meanwhile, down on the farm (thanks, SlovakHab):

The Hamilton Bulldogs defeated the Abbotsford Heat 4-0 on Saturday
night in Abbotsford to earn their 12
th shutout of the
season, tying the franchise record for most shutouts in one season. The
win was Hamilton’s 49
th of the season which ties the
franchise record for most regular season wins. It was also the club’s 26
th road
win which is a new franchise record for most regular season road wins.
The Bulldogs have only suffered seven regulation losses on the road this
season and with only two road games remaining in the year, Hamilton
will set a new franchise record for fewest regulation losses on the road
in one season as the record currently stands at 12.

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Who’s happier:

Guillaume Latendresse for being out of Montreal or Lee Stempniak for being out of Toronto?

•  •  •

Bulldogs owner Michael Andlauer is looking at building an arena in Laval (thanks, Nightmare_49).

•  •  •

Great chart for following the playoff race.

•  •  •

There’s certainly no room for politics on a hockey site … unless we’re making fun of John Boehner.

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123 Comments

  1. MathMan says:

    The irony is that he has managed to get his players to (more or less) buy into his system, but his system is actually pretty weak. Actually I’d call his inability to establish an effective 5-on-5 system his #1 weakness… but that’s also the #1 thing he needs to do, so that makes Martin the equivalent of a goalie that does everything well except stop pucks.

  2. MathMan says:

    Olivier on his blog (http://enattendantlesnordiques.blogspot.com/) counts scoring chances for both teams had the Oilers outchancing the Habs 12-22 at even-strength, their worst game in a while actually. The Oilers blogger who does the same thing (http://mc79hockey.com/) was more generous to the Habs — 17-20 in favor of the Oilers at evens. Which would be fine if we weren’t talking about the worst team in the NHL.

     

  3. mrhabby says:

    on a side note…was speaking to a relative about the flames (he lives in calgary)…Steve Yzerman will be replacing Darryl Sutter some time during the summer…just throwing it out there..

  4. SlovakHab says:

    My remark was a half-joke, and to be honest with you, I like Jacques Martin, see him as a classy, experienced and a knowledgeable gentleman. The above was not meant to be a shot at him (although I know it looked like). But to tell you my opinion:

    I think coaching incorporates several attributes and JM is a decent coach who has several weaknesses. 

    As you wrote, he has excelled in replacing injured players and bringing in a system that the players seem to buy into. I think he is someone who can prepare a team in a long term and build a team that isn’t too shabby. He found decent line combinations, helped players adjust to each other and play some defence as well.

    However, he has weaknesses as well – none bigger than short-term, in-game adjustments. He often has a team sitting on a lead, letting the opponent play. He lacks emotion and hence won’t fire his players up if necessary – an extra emotion boost that is needed in some games. He also doesn’t communicate with the referees (which could indeed be seen as whiny sometimes, but certainly helps). He sometimes gets out-coached by men like L. Ruff, Cory Clouston or J. Lemaire (as seen by our bilance vs. those teams) and he leaves us wondering why he had Cammalleri out to protect a 1-goal lead in the dying seconds of the game, didn’t take a time-out or played his 4th line 5 minutes to go with 1 goal deficit.

    Having said that, I’d take JM over Tortorella or Ron Wilson any day of the week.

  5. light_n_tasty says:

    I dunno: I thought they played fine against the Oilers…it was Halak who crapped out (then recovered).

  6. MathMan says:

    It’s more “opportunistic” than “good”, which is par for the course for the Habs. Although they’ve been better than usual, mostly — but you can’t be too impressed by how they were outplayed by the post-firesale Oilers.

  7. J.J. of Turku says:

    I’ve seen some good signs after olympic-break like you all… I’m quite sure this team has potential to go a couple of rounds in the playoffs… If they only can get their mojo back in PP I’m waiting for conference finals!

    I feel a little like Fox Mulder, “I have to believe”…

     

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

     

    Wich is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don’t know and I don’t care…

  8. light_n_tasty says:

    Although, over the last 10 games or so, we have been really good 5-on-5.  It’s special teams that are killing us.

  9. MathMan says:

    JM is presiding over a team that is extremely weak 5-on-5, weak in first periods, and remains one of the most undisciplined squads in the game. The players are underperforming, particularly defensively, and it’s a testament to their skill that they manage to generate goals despite a system that hampers their real offense so much. 40+ shots-against barrage still happen, even if not with the staggering regularity they did earlier in the year.

    I don’t like his system or his coaching style for exactly one reason: they’re ineffective.

    JM is doing a crappy job; if you find the results amazing, credit the players, especially the goaltending. If Halak and Price had been anything short of miraculous as a tandem this year, JM may be out of a job and the Habs are certainly counting lottery balls.

  10. MathMan says:

    Well the good part is that Boucher, being inexperienced and all, probably wouldn’t make a fortune, so paying Carbo+Martin+Boucher+new AHL coach is probably negligibly more than Carbo+Martin+Boucher, so monetarily, Martin’s job may not be as secure as it seems.

    The bad part? A coaching change is not gonna happen because Martin and Gauthier are close and Martin really is Gauther’s man. Despite that he’s perhaps more detriment than asset at present.

    Therefore, you can expect the Habs to wallow in mediocrity for a few years regardless of personnel decisions.

  11. avatar_58 says:

    I hope that’s sarcasm – there are no sabres fans here. Just because they are close by doesn’t guaruntee fans. It’a all Leafs vs Habs. Those are the only two jerseys, flags and other such things you’ll see here in Hamilton. Other fans are the exception, not the rule.

    The attendence is due largely to the lack of PR. No one cares about the AHL. No one knows about their steller record this year, that maybe they’ll get the cup, etc. No one except die-hards. Myself I just started going to games THIS year. In my case it’s monetary and not having people to go WITH. That’s all. Not everyone can afford to be a season ticket holder for an AHL team – if it were the habs that’s different.

    But I mean seriously – they damn dogs store doesn’t even sell custom jerseys. They don’t sell jack – just a small tiny boxed area in Copps. This is their marketting? Maybe a jersey or two at the mall? And you wonder why no one is excited about it. The Ti-cats do MUCH better because they are all you hear about. Maybe they need better PR.

  12. matraque says:

    JM knows how to coach… You don’t like his style.  Thats different.

    JM did an amazing job for the following reason:

    -A shit load of new players that never played together

    -Numerous injuries

    -Safe to say that he will get the team to the playoffs.

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    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  13. HabsInBlood says:

    YES WE CAN!! – redistribute all of your hard-earned money.

     

  14. HardHabits says:

    BS. Bring him up for the playoffs and send him back down to the minors for the beginning of next season and take it from there. If you can’t stand the heat, don’t become a Canadien.

  15. SlovakHab says:

    I really like the “Knows how to coach” attribute. Could have been useful during this season already. 

  16. Danno says:

    Hey Boone! You changed your punch line for the John Boehner video. Did the GOP threaten to send you to Gitmo?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. Barts says:

    That would be fantastic wouldn’t it? Unfortunately with the length of Jack Martin’s term, and Guy Guy Guy still on the payroll the reality is that someone is probably going to offer Mr. Boucher a big fat contract before he even gets a chance. So like other departees of the past, he will come back to haunt us. I love being cynical.

  18. punkster says:

    Hey VH. I agree that subjects like politics or religion should not be promoted on a sports site. How about parodied? I took Boone’s inclusion of a satirical video as nothing more than that. The same way I would take a Rick Mercer spoof on any government target that could appear here. Or a Tina Fey spoof on Sarah Palin. Or one of Monty Python’s numerous pokes at big government. Political or religious satire requires a target and I suppose that could make it appear to be a partisan statement. Or maybe it’s just humour? :)

  19. TOEmastro says:

    back up to 95%!

  20. MathMan says:

    And given how Martin has been coaching, the sooner the better!

    It seems pretty obvious that the org’s best coach is coaching the farm club.

  21. RetroMikey says:

    Don Lever is a winner as far as I am concerned.

    He got screwed royally by Bobby and Boivin.  They pushed the panic button when some players like D’Agostoni, Chipchura, Stewart to name a few did not develop in Montreal as expected.

    Boucher I give credit to what he is doing in Hamilton but he needs to spend at least 2 more season in the AHL before coaching the NHL, but I see him beeing greedy and wanting to climb the ladder to soon than lear in Hamilton.

    Boucher has brought the team to second place overall, but gues whose team is third overall in the AHL?

    Don Lever’s Chicago Wolves.

    Lever is not a loser and I am sure Lever still wonders why he was let go since no formal reply from the organization was ever given to him.

    I still wonder to this day as well.

     

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  22. Chorske says:

    So Boone should be fair and balanced? This is a blog, not an official news site. The Powers that run this place make it abundantly clear that it’s their show, à prendre ou à laisser. You don’t like the video, don’t watch it.

  23. Chorske says:

    Yeah, messages of hope are SUCH a downer. Good music too.

    His blog, his rules, he can post whatever he wants.

  24. matraque says:

    Guy Boucher will coach the Habs

    -McGill guy

    -Won in QMJHL

    -Is winning in AHL

    -Speaks french (Very important, like it or not)

    -Knows how to coach

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    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  25. VancouverHab says:

    ‘Scuse, Mr. Boone:

    No politics here, OK? Sport sites are where you go to get away from that stuff.

    If it’s partisan, like this, people who agree with it get a pleasure-jolt that they can already get on their political blog of choice, and those who disagree get a downer when they want sport-distraction. :–(

  26. RetroMikey says:

    I’ve been a season ticket holder from the getgo and it is pretty sad that the City still feels it’s going to get an NHL team which it ain’t going to happen ever in this once proud Steel City.  The City will eventuallyb e a ghost town in my opinion. 

    Walk downtown at night and nothing has changed in over 20 years with retail stores being nailed down, peddlers all around asking for some spare change, dikes, hookers, etc. you name it.

    Biggest problem I see is building that Jackson Square Mall where it should have been a Health Care centre otr bigger hospital built downtown.  Walk in the mail and you’ll see garbage retailers opening their dollar stores, fashion outlet stores of cheap quality imported from China, India you name it.

    I disagree with you about bad PR though.

    Can’t play the marketing department of the Bulldogs organization, they did a major shuffle over the summer and many staff were given the boot.

    They have done a good job in charitable organizations and the team is very well known in doing functions on behalf of the city with the players getting involved.

    Problem is we are the Habs’ farm team and not the Leafs’ farm team,  We live in the territory of Leafs Nation and that will not change.

    Even if the Leafs brought their farm team to Hamilton, I would not see more than 5.000 or more attending the games.

    This city only thinks of an NHl franchise, pretty sad when you have a championship team here in Hamilton.

    I don’t think Andelauer the owner know what he is doing if he thinks Laval will sell out every night with 7.500 fans when everyone wants that hot ticket at the Bell Centre to see the Habs play.  I truly believe they\ll be a hot item the first year and after that, don’t expect no more than 3,000 spectatore as well.

    The organization is first class as far as I am concerned,  being a season ticket holder has its advantages by getting team autographed sticks, discounts on jerseys, concessions, etc.

    You can be a flex ticket holder and choose 10 or 20 games if money is an issue.

    If I cannot make it to some of the home games, I give them back to the organization who then gives them to a charitable organization.

    If you want your Bulldogs jersey customized call Sports Obsession in Hamilton or Burlington, they can help you out.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  27. Chorske says:

    Scarlett has such a lovely voice.

    Could she by any perfecter?

  28. smiler2729 says:

    Great.

    Now all the Guy Boucher boosters will be out calling for Jacques Martin to be fired… just like Don Lever was supposed to be the next great coach last season.

    But with Boucher being franco, the mouthfrothing will upped to the nth degree.

     

    Calm down. Have a beer. We’ll all be okay.

  29. G-Man says:

    Hysterical video, Boone. Love the hyperbole in reaction to it. Still, it’s a hockey site, right?

  30. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …bye the way John Boner …YES WE CAN !!!!

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  31. megagoten says:

    lee stempniak and alex steen were the two leafs i wouldn’t have minded getting

  32. Y says:

    Habs playoff chances down to 91.2%%

    Looking more and more like the Capitals will get to feast in the first round :(

  33. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a great AHL Team in Hamilton and They average I believe in the 3,000 to 4, 000 range (or am I being generous ?)

    …in a sea of weedz and sabres’ fans ?

    …is Andlauer thinking of tranfering the Hamilton franchise to Laval ? …if so, that makes sense

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  34. Komihater says:

     

    Did you really just post that? that man is a fraud handpicked from wall street. I come here to get away from the hours i spend loathing him. “cult personality” most will understand in about 20 years.

     

    “Those who would give up there liberty’s for so called security’s deserve neither and shall receive none” TJ

  35. Ayan_SB says:

    I don’t remember Don Lever having articles written about him, praising his coaching abilities, nearly every week or so. And how about Mathieu Carle saying he’s learned more from Boucher in a couple of months than he has in the past few years with Lever.

  36. Chuck says:

    It would only be devastating to the 2500 or so that bother to show up to their games on a regular basis (of which I am one).

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  37. RS says:

    Anyone remember when Don Lever was the greatest thing since sliced bread? And he won a Calder Cup.

    Boucher has obviously done a good job, but try and maintain some perspective folks.

  38. Ayan_SB says:

    I’d love to get Jon Blum from Nashville.

  39. HabFab says:

    Understand both Pat Burns and Pat Quinn had audiences with the Pope…never heard if they were shown the Grail?

  40. HabFab says:

    When you have the puck, hold on to it and try to move it up along the boards.

    When you don’t have the puck retreat into your own zone and attempt to recover a rebound!

    “the Jacques Martin system”

     

    “the Guy Boucher system”

    When you have the puck go to the net.

    When you don’t have the puck. Go get it!

  41. VancouverHab says:

    Yeah — I guess that’s a fair point, but only if all sides (not just one) are treated equally & with equal time….

  42. Tis Himself says:

    The System was revealed once from what I have been told in scrolls that are now in the Vatican archives. The last coach to actually see them was Scotty Bowman. Other NHL coaches have been forced to rely on Scotty’s memories of them.

  43. Willy the bum says:

    I may be living under a huge rock, but does somebody know about this so-called “system” Jacques Martin explaining about?

    What the h*ll is his “system”?!  Please do tell me…

  44. Willy the bum says:

    The Devils really hate us, eh?  Wanted the Habs kick off the playoffs…

  45. Tis Himself says:

    When these guys go political, I just envision a bunch of crackers discussin’ politics on a porch in the postbellum South. Just sit back and watch the fur fly!

  46. punkster says:

    LOL. I’ll go with your call for now. Don’t know a thing about Blake just now but I’ll research. By the way, I had a read through some of the political crap below and the Price Halak crap on the other thread just now. All I can say is wow. So gald I spent the day with friends discussing weather, golf and the coming cottage opening plans. So much more interesting. Enjoy your evening.

  47. HabFab says:

    Add one of their defensive studs and it is a deal.

  48. Tis Himself says:

    He’s solid. So’s McDonaugh, but that won’t hepl th Habs.

  49. HabFab says:

    Don’t have a fav. Just follow for the prospects. We have Patrick Johnson playing for Wisconsin although the logic of that pick escapes me.

    As for Blake that would make 4 generations if he did make it to the NHL.

  50. Tis Himself says:

    I think Nashville has the rights to Blake Geoffrion. I’d trade Price to get him. Price goes Grand Ole Oprey, we get the Boomer’s grandson. It is all good.

     

     

  51. punkster says:

    The Price/Halak thing is senseless at any time, in any situation, on any occasion. Unless, of course, you’re trying to put to sleep a room full of raging, sex-starved lemurs. Or 90% of the members of this site.

  52. Tis Himself says:

    The team to watch in the NCAA is RIT. They have Wisconsin in the first semi-final. I didn’t realize it, but Blake Geoffrion of Wisconsin is a Hobey Baker finalist. I watched him last night against St. Cloud. The kid can play. I’m sure wearing #5 helps!

  53. HabFab says:

    Ugh!!! New Jersey has done us no favors this weekend. It is now 3-0 for Phillie.

  54. HabFab says:

    It is a shame! Unfortunately they haven’t been competive since your time.

  55. Tis Himself says:

    BC 9-7. Damn, if Yale had just one guy who could stop a puck, they’d be moving on to the Frozen Four. Man, after watching this game, the Halak/Price thing is just senseless.

  56. HabFab says:

    True that!

  57. Tis Himself says:

    Where one stands is ultimately determined by where one sits!

  58. HabFab says:

    Now…now!

    In my family history, the American Revolution was a Civil War that we lost. And we moved to this recently conquered French colony to rebuild.

    In your history, the Patroits verses the Tories and in our history, the Rebels verses the Loyalist.

    In other words…never!

  59. Tis Himself says:

    Watching BC/Yale — 9-4 BC. God, Yale went through three kickers, all freakin’ awful. Just think of Scotty going through Dryden, Thomas and Laraque and still not finding a guy who could stop a puck!

  60. Tis Himself says:

    I read some of this stuff and just shake my head dumbfounded. If only Benedict Arnold had been successful at Quebec.

  61. HabFab says:

    Huh!!

    Wondered when you would enter?

    Of course, I now have to dig out my dictionary.

    I do find it amazing how sometimes we can share a continent but feel like we live on different planets!

  62. MathMan says:

    Having an off game against Edmonton wouldn’t be an issue if it were a one-off stumble rather than just the latest in a long series. Generally, everyone outplays the Habs at evens — though admittedly the Habs have uncorked a few good games lately (ie. vs. Florida).

    Besides, it’s always been my contention that blowouts are generally pretty meaningless in terms of what they tell you about the teams. Sometimes the bounces all go one way or the other. It’s how teams play in close games that is most telling.

  63. Tis Himself says:

    I used to read this thread for merely the hockey dildonica, but the political stuff rises to the level of true retardiania.

  64. SlovakHab says:

    The same worst team in the NHL has beaten the Sharks 5-1. True that they are pretty bad, but in the NHL, bad is just a bit worse than an average.

  65. 100HABS says:

    You know, he’s always had that hair that kinda points back and up and I also thought: why doesn’t somebody tell he has a horrible haircut? But since it’s been like this for all of the 15 or so years I’ve seen him on TV, I’m starting to believe it’s not the haircut, it’s the shape of his head. Not trying to insult him, but that guy has a huge nose, giant ears and a funny-shaped head. That said, take us 3 rounds and I wouldn’t even care if he looked like Boone!

  66. tony d says:

    and the hair cut

  67. MathMan says:

    Ditto. Not like JM is any kind of success story.

  68. ooder says:

    hey andrew i just found something funny about your post.

    you say that it’s hard to judge subban from seeing him play the same team after travelling and all that.

    but we all praised him after seeing him play only 2 games, also against the same team.

    maybe subban isn’t ready… i would assume boucher knows what he’s doing 

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    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  69. Exit716 says:

    Don’t worry I’m sure David Fischer will solve the Habs defensive problems…that is if the team bothers to sign the first round pick from 2006.

     

  70. saskhabfan says:

    Given your history of predicting we should pretty much expect the opposite of everything you posted here to happen. Please don’t go on your “i watch the dogs in hamilton so i know better” rants. There is this thing called the internet where everybody gets to watch their games for free and get to see everything you do. Carle MVP?????? PFFTTTT!!! Has there been a more injury prone player in our system since benoit brunet? As usual,no credibility.

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  71. RetroMikey says:

    Whoa Cowboy!  Easy there!  You’vee been smoking that old germ wheat instead of tobacco out there where you are.

    I never said Carle was MVP, seems you are being brainwashed by fans on this site and can’t speak for yourself and have nothing better to do but criticize fans like myslelf.

    You were probably not born when the Rocket was injury prone and the team almost gave up on him but he fought back from injures to be one of the greats.  You do know who the Rocket is, yes?

    Carle is no quitter he will fight back, his career is not over like you and others tend to think.

    Get a life dude, stop criticizing others and be happy!  I am sure living and working in Saskatchewan ain’t that bad and perhaps one day you will come home. 

    Another jealous fart who has nothing better to do on this site  but nag,nag, nag!.

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  72. RetroMikey says:

    Andrew please, you guys in the Montreal area are listening too much to the media pal.

    Subban is not ready nor is Weber.  The one guy I believe who should be a regular on the Hab is Brock Trotter but he will never play in Montreal when you have a overrated, overhyped by the media and fans like Sergei Kostitsyn in Montreal who in my opinion, should be in Hamilton and a guy who plays game in and out like Brock Trotter in Montreal.

    I have seen many Bulldogs games and all I hear on this site is Suban, Suban, Suban or Webeer, Weber , Weber.

    I am not sold on either of these 2 to solve our defensive woes next seasonm I still feel they need alot to learn in the AHL before making the jump to the NHL.

    To me, the MVP on defense is Carle this year but it is unfortunate the guy is injured.

    Lets hope the Habs have not given up on him.

    I would not be surprised if Weber never dons a Habs uniform and Subban is still playing in Hamilton next season.  The guy needs to play as a team player in my opinion.

     

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  73. Chorske says:

    Eeesh… “best player on the ice for both teams”… I’m not so sure. He skated and swooped and hit with a lot of sturm und drang, that much is certain. I was pleasantly surprised by his poise- he looked like he WANTED to belong. But I am glad they are keeping him hungry down in Hamilton- we’ll see how he handles himself over a full NHL season next year, but for now what worries me is that a subset of the posters on this site have anointed him the next Saviour- comparing him to Orr and so on. I know you’re not among them, I’m just saying. The dude’s tears don’t cure leprosy. Not yet, at any rate. ;)

  74. SeriousFan09 says:

    Carle will never make the NHL, he’s missed over a season’s worth of games in the AHL over the last 3 years because of injuries. His fragility prevents him from making the NHL and he doesn’t have the skill that makes that worth putting up with. If he gets beaten up this badly in the AHL, how long will he last in the NHL? It’s also pretty hard to be an MVP on defence when you’ve missed 2/3 of the season and will miss the playoffs as well.

    Weber may never don a Habs uniform, but Subban could easily manage that next season, I’ve seen him play as well. He has the skating and offensive instincts to contribute to the team in area they could really use improving on.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  75. bigbighabsfan says:

    I thought Libertarians were just Republicans who smoke pot ;)

  76. Jbird says:

    How ’bout only you, Boone, can talk politics.  I would like that! I can’t deal when the posters talk about it.  Its very painful.  And for the record John Boehner is a bad man.  No debate.  It’s a fact.  

  77. MikeMcLaren says:

    Mike,

    First of all, thanks for the consideration.  Much appreciated.

    Second of all, I never meant to imply or state that you would actually boo anyone’s national anthem. 

    …just as you never implied that the Philadelphia Flyers or their fans were actually members or supporters of the National Socialist party in Germany a while back.  It’s all about similes and nuance here ;) 

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  78. Mike Boone says:

    Oh, you mean the stinkin’ commie health care that they have in Britain, France, Sweden, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal … you know, all the Marxist countries.

  79. HabFanSince72 says:

    Canada  a Marxist country? As idiotic as that is, it’s actually more intelligent than your statements on hockey.

     

  80. andrewberkshire says:

    And this comment just epitomizes why I think Libertarians on average are as uneducated as most far right conservatives. The whole, “I’m not republican, but I take their talking points!!”

  81. longtimehabsfan says:

    It’s comments like these that forces me to explain Americans to my Canadian family. 

  82. MikeMcLaren says:

    So one’s political leanings or world view equates to one’s education level?  Or are libertarians and far right conservatives just generally less intelligent?  Where do those who are “educated,” presumably far left socialists, receive this education you speak of?

    I’d like to know, because as someone who identifies himself as a libertarian I’d hate to think my four years of University education in Political Science were merely a waste!

    Tell me though, because I’m curious, in this school do they also have a course on broad generalizations and over simplifications?  The school I went to offered some entry-level philosophy courses that taught me all about syllogistic logic.  I guess I need to unlearn what I was taught so I can become more enlightened! 

    (Oh, and please do remember: I do support the same hockey team that you do regardless of my politics, where I live, or what language I speak – my overall point here is that these political debates tend to turn nasty and ignore the common ground that many of us share: fandom of the Montreal Canadiens)

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  83. andrewberkshire says:

    Cool that you took Poli Sci, me too actually.

    Let me clarify so this doesn’t become a shouting match, as it’s clear neither of us has interest in that. By uneducated I did not mean in regards to a formal education. I meant educated on the issue that’s being discussed. In my experience speaking with Libertarians, about 90% of what they say comes straight from Fox News, but as soon as you critique their points they’re quick to backtrack and say they’re neither Republican or Conservative, but support small government. I get frustrated with these people because, like anarchists, they tend to dismiss everything anyone says without evidence, yet offer no real solutions to any problem aside from; don’t let the government handle it.

    I should have worded my comment better, but as an example of what i meant, Anne Coulter has a law degree, no one can argue that, but I’d still say she’s completely uneducated in nearly every issue she chooses to speak about. Ignorance is probably a better term, and willful ignorance is actually even better.

  84. FSUPhi1584 says:

    It’s interesting that you say this. A few weeks ago, I read an article summarizing the results of a study involving IQ test scores. It was discovered that, on average, liberals had an IQ score that was 10 points higher than conservatives. I just want to state, in order to make it clear that I have no agenda, that I have dual citizenship as an American and Canadian and consider myself to be a moderate with respects to the politcal spectrum. The study further states that the reason for this is because man has evolved its priorities to include the welfare of a nation as opposed to just the welfare of his family unit.

  85. J.J. of Turku says:

    And how awful is that when we get free education? Huh… Just terrible…

     

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  86. andrewberkshire says:

    Gotta love those handouts!

  87. MikeMcLaren says:

    That’s cool and I appreciate you explaining what you meant.  Politics is a difficult subject because it’s often difficult to be intellectually consistent… on ALL sides.

    Libertarianism is not an easy philosophy to wrap one’s head around, to determine where the necessary limitations come in, etc.  I think from a practical perspective, in the United States there are libertarian “wings” of both the Republican and Democrat parties.  Those on the Republican side want liberal capitalism, smaller government, etc. and those on the Democrat side want the social side of libertarian though employed – freedom of expression, government staying out of the arts, the bedroom etc.

    When voting in US elections, if you are a strategic voter, you really have to pick one party or the other.  As a third party, the Libertarian party is not entrenched enough to make a difference or wield any actual clout and if you disagree with something that one party wants to do, it makes little sense to vote for the party that best represents your intellectual approach.

    I will say as someone who does think himself libertarian, there are often conundrums with the philosophy.  I think, for instance, that drugs that are now illegal are generally harmful to society.  However, as they mostly impact only the user, the government doesn’t really need to be involved in writing and enforcing laws against their use.  There are few Republicans of note that agree with this – even those in the libertarian wing of the party.

    Bah, who knows.  Maybe you’re just talking to the wrong libertarians?

    There are some funny lines out there regarding the difference between libertarians and anarchist, but I like this one: “Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.”

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  88. andrewberkshire says:

    Good quote! I have no problem with Libertarian ideology in many respects, it’s the hard liners that get to me. Or those who say they’re libertarians and just repeat everything Ron Paul says.

    Canada has a similar problem in voting, when although we have a multitude of parties, the NDP or Green parties really have relatively little influence. It’s not as exacerbated as the problem in the USA, but we’re essentially still a two party nation, where both parties are trying to hard to appeal to everyone that they appeal to no one.

  89. ZepFan2 says:

    John Boehner, the epitome of a RepugliCANT.

    Hey, at least they have Jesus on their side.

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  90. bigjames says:

    i actually think it is better to keep our younger prospects away from the glare of local media. these guys are all work in progress and having bad games is part of the process of progress. if they get royally dumped on after a poor game then given thier age and experience, the public roasting could be really negative. just my view…

  91. MikeMcLaren says:

    No, there’s probably still no room for politics on a hockey site.

    It’s your blog, Mike, and you can certainly do whatever you want with it.  As an American I support your right to say whatever you want to in whatever way you want to and frankly wish that you had the same rights that I do to do so. 

    However, I fear you’re rather like the first guy up in the Molson Ex section who starts booing the Star Spangled Banner… once one yahoo starts, everyone around him will feel it’s okay to start piling on.

    Much as language politics seldom seem to do the Montreal Canadiens any good, I highly doubt snarky comments about the politics of some of the readers will do this board any good.

    You have a signficiant number of American readers and I suspect that a portion of them may be Republican supporters who may not take kindly to the notion that you consider them scumbags.  They also probably won’t take kindly to, what I’m sure, is a lengthy political “debate” that might follow here in the comments section.

    But hey, who needs to worry about civility (http://ww.habsinsideout.com/main/14283?page=1) on Habs Inside Out?  There’s never been a problem with that, right?

    Sigh.

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  92. Rugger says:

    As a fellow American, in the immortal words from Stripes “lighten up Francis”

  93. Mike Boone says:

    You make a good point, so I’ve changed the phrasing.

    For the record, I have never and would never boo anyone’s national anthem.

    As for what I can post on my opinionated side of Habs Inside/Out, it’s your Tea Party, and I’ll cry if I want to.

  94. HabFanSince72 says:

    So you support his right to “say whatever you want to in whatever way you want to”  but you think there is “no room for politics on a hockey site.”

    Do you notice a contradiction there?

    And as for supportng his right to free speech, isn’t that a ittle fatuous?

  95. HabFab says:

    As an American I support your right to say whatever you want to in
    whatever way you want to and

    “frankly wish that you had the same rights
    that I do to do so.”

     

    Not sure where you come up with that one but OK keep your illusions alive.

  96. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Mike (no offense too you but ) are you a Tea Bagger or just a Republican ? We here in The Great White North get to see U.S.A. politics inside out,lol and as for myself can not believe the nonsense the Republican’s put out there(Nazi party?).

  97. Ian Cobb says:

    “New Jersey Forces Habs To Observe Earth Hour”

    After
    8 minutes of dominance explosive energy, New Jersey pulled the plug on
    our game plan by attacking two of our largest power stations, Gill
    & Markov to take over momentum and the first goal. Once the Metro
    energy transformer blew, the lights dimmed by our Habs again and Jersey
    kept us on the outside in the dark the rest of the night. We tried as
    hard as we could but  the coach was not able to restore full power the
    rest of the night.

    I just wonder if we can ramp back up enough energy before we face the Hurricane on Wed.

    Ian

  98. 420cups says:

    i liked that, it was clever.

     

  99. Number31 says:

    PK Subban beat the record of goals scored by a defenseman last night. (Last broken by rival/friend/teammate Yannick Weber).

    Last night’s game, unfortunately, was marred with goonery as the goonsquad BabyFlames made the Crunch look like babies. Someone even tried to FIGHT Weber! (Hey, Garth Murray is their captain). Didn’t help that Koharski was reffing. What a horrible horrible ref. Runs in the family I guess…

    Also Sanford sprained his ankle badly.

    At least the Bulldogs kept their head up and burried that annoying team.

  100. showey47 says:

    Caught the clip where the coach was flipping out and breaking sticks on the boards. Noticed the player on his left was covering his face and laughing. Great example to set for your players or any kids sitting in the stands.

  101. bertuzzisucks says:

    I was at the Hamilton game last night in Abbotsford. A few random notes I want to touch on.

    The Heat coach- What a fool! He should be suspended for acting like a monkey at a zoo.Some Irony here as his name is PLAYFAIR!

     

    P.K Subban-Not NHL ready! His Skating is raw poor. He is fast but falls alot. He is good with the puck but way too many turnovers. He pinches too much and should almost be a winger. All you posters are going on his stats but you have to remember he’s playing on a real good AHL team. He would get eaten alive in the NHL right now and especially in the playoffs. HE will be a NHL player but not yet. People are saying if hes called up he would be our #2 defenceman. Not a chance. This is the 4th time I have seen him play in Abbotsford this year. Thats all live 240 minutes. Not highlights.

     

    Alex Henry-Captain, big, tough, slow, career AHLer

    Desharnais- Gritty, fast, smart, will be a NHLer soon. Step up on Darche, Lapierre.

    Weber- small, too many giveways, wont make the big team next year

    Trotter -ok, small, good nose for the net.

     

    Max Pac, Carle, were both injured so didnt get a chance to see them

     

     

     

     

  102. Ian Cobb says:

    Thanks for the report John.

  103. andrewberkshire says:

    Pretty difficult to judge a player based on 4 games all against the same team, all after traveling thousands of miles to get there. We all saw Subban play two games in the NHL already. He wasn’t eaten alive, in fact he excelled and was the best player on the ice for either team in both games.

  104. SlovakHab says:

    I watched Subban play a couple of times online. I also thought he was a turnover machine and thought: What the hell is he doing out there?

    Having said that, he looked promising in the 2 games he played in the NHL.

  105. RS says:

    To be fair, Alex Henry has played 177 games in the NHL. I don’t see any more in his future, but show some respect. He’s also a good captain (but not a great D) for the Dogs.

    I’ve seen Subban play a number of times in person for the Bulls and for the Dogs. He does have a tendency to blow a tire and wipeout. He does take chances, but he doesn’t get burned very often. I think the expectations have gotten too high for him.

    If everything works out for him and he continues to develop, I think of him as perhaps the Habs’ answer to Brian Campbell or Dan Boyle (though PK is physically stronger than either of those guys and probably better defensively) rather than being a future contender for the Norris. He could become a very useful D carrying the puck out of trouble.

    He is good enough to play in the NHL next year, but we shouldn’t expect miracles from him. It will be an adjustment for him. Let him join the habs next year, but remain patient. It will take him about another 3 years to come into his own in the NHL. Don’t freak out on him in the meantime!

    I have much bigger doubts about Weber. He might become the next MAB, or he might not even make the NHL.

  106. MikeMcLaren says:

    Ahhh, the ol’ free speech debate…

    Firstly, it’s my opinion.  I don’t agree with the way he originally phrased something, and expressed my opinion as such. 

    Mike has his right to say whatever he wants in whatever way he wants.  This is especially imporant because he is a journalist and a free press is extremely important to a free society.

    Conversely, I have the right to say whatever I would like in response (and as this is a privately-run forum, Mike or the Gazette has every right to delete what I have to say, too because I can just say it elsewhere if I don’t like it and the burden is not on a privately run media outlet to grant me my rights).

    There is absolutely NO contradiction there at all.  Zero.

    I can support your right to say something; that doesn’t mean I need to agree with it, it doesn’t mean I can’t offer an opinion as to whether you should have said it or not, and it doesn’t mean I can’t ask you to consider what you’re saying or writing and the possible impact that it might have.

    Free speech is easy to support when it’s something you agree with.  It’s more difficult to support when you disagree with what is being said, or if you feel what is being said is hateful, but that’s the most important speech to protect of all.

    Fatuous?  No, sorry.  I am a fervent supporter of free speech in all forms, even its most repugnant (not saying that Boone’s statement here raised to the level of “repugnant” here at all, for the record).

    For many, the freedom of speech might be a difficult concept to understand, but I think I’ve got a good grasp here, thanks.

     

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  107. andrewberkshire says:

    Good comment here, and great explanation.

  108. Hockey Socks says:

    If they moved the Habs farm team to Laval, I’d definitely buy season tickets. Verdun’s a bit of way off for me so I don’t go to Montreal Juniors games, but I’d go to major junior or AHL games in Laval.

  109. Captain aHab says:

    My fear is that an NHL team will offer Boucher a lucrative contract before the Habs are ready to let JM go.

  110. howtathor says:

    I’m ready to let JM go already! and that’s just for the ties!

  111. MikeMcLaren says:

    Well, I wouldn’t worry too much about that.  Boucher is under contract for two more years after this one and other teams are not allowed to court him without going through the Canadiens for permission first.  Permission which they won’t be granting. 

    I’m quite sure that the year after next, Boucher will be brought up as an assistant coach, signed to a fresh contract that has some stipulations in there about head coaching, etc.  Just as Gainey resigned so Gauthier would assuredly be his successor, he also set up Boucher to be Martin’s successor.

    That Bob Gainey, he sure is the gift that keeps on giving, isn’t he?

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  112. MikeMcLaren says:

    Where did I come up with that?  Francois Houle, the Vice President and Academic Provost of the University of Ottawa, actually:

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2710037

    In all seriousness though, from a purely Constitutional perspective, there are more limitations on free speech in Canada than there are in the United States.

    If there’s a Constitutional Law expert out there who can put me in my place, that’s fine, but Section Two of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does differ from the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.  It’s probably even telling that it’s #1 in the US and #2 in Canada (as section #1 in Canada is known as the “limitations clause.”) 

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  113. HabFab says:

    I’m sorry but an University’s Administer advising Ms Coulter to make herself familiar with Canadian laws so that she keeps within some sort of decorum (which she normally pushes to the limits) hardly constitutes proof for your argument. Anarchy is only pure freedom in theory!

  114. andrewberkshire says:

    It’s undeniable that Canada has stricter law governing free speech, but can you actually say that anything that’s limited in Canada would take away from a conversation in any meaningful way? The only things that are limited is inciting hatred against ethnicities, cultures and other groups. Some of our hate speech laws are too strict for my liking, especially when concerning political correctness, but depending on the state in the USA you can be thrown in jail for swearing in public, so the rights to free speech elaborated on in the constitution in large part no longer exist in the USA. I don’t see much of a difference. If the USA still operated the way the constitution outlines, it would be a far greater country to visit and to live in than it is currently.

  115. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Ms Coulter is a ****ing Nazi(And my people and I know a ****ing Nazi when we see one…trust me!) and should be arrested for HATE CRIMES!!!!

  116. wild flower says:

    Why did they invite her in the first place? The Provost has made of fool out of himself.

  117. ZepFan2 says:

    Yeah, poor Mann Coulter. I feel terrible for her…NOT!

    Free speech is one thing, hate speech is quite another and we happen to have a law against hate speech here in Canada. Francois Houle tried to educate an ignoramus to that fact, instead the douche used it to make people like you feel sorry for her.

    Maybe next time instead of Mann Coulter flying in on a plane that could potentially have terrorists aboard, she can fly in on her broom?!

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  118. G-Man says:

    You “Psycho,” Rugger. :)

  119. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Mike ,Dick Cheney is a Republican and while in power with George W. did no service to  anything but the phrase “Dark Ages” and is another one that should face War Crimes….Look-it ,again no disrespect towards you but The Republican party in the good old U.S.of A. SCARES THE ***T OUT OF ME.

  120. wild flower says:

    From my part of the Great White North, I can see Mike’s perspective.

  121. MikeMcLaren says:

    Well, golly!

    I appreciate that if I were a Republican, which in turn would mean that I was a Nazi in your mind, that I should take no offense to that assertion.

    I must say that civil discourse seldom goes down as follows: “No offense, but I think you might be a Nazi.”  Well, as long as you preface it that way… no offense taken, sir!

    If you wish to minimalize the absolute crimes against humanity and decency that the National Socialist party of Germany perpetuated against mankind, then by all means continue to compare a political party in the United States whose viewpoint you don’t agree with to those same Nazis.

    I think you do a disservice and show a great misunderstanding of a terrible history of the world if you throw around that term so loosely.

    Which political party in the United States offers unwavering support to Israel, again?  Just askin’.

    /\\ike
    GO HABS GO!

  122. sam says:

    Guillaume Latendresse probably won’t make the playoffs. there.


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