About last night … with audio

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You look at the final score: 3-2 against one of the hottest teams in the NHL.
You look at the shots: 35-31 against the aforementioned juggernaut, right in their own barn.
A loss is a loss, but maybe the Canadiens and their fans should take solace from those numbers.
Ah, maybe not …

AUDIO: Tomas Plekanec I and II | Carey Price | David Desharnais | P.K. Subban

Randy Cunneyworth said his team lost because of “individual mistakes at the wrong times.”

The coach declined to name names, but the screw-ups were so egregious they were obvious to anyone watching the game.

In case you missed it, Travis Moen turned the puck over at the Canadiens blue line with his team trailing 2-1 in the third period. Patrice Bergeron pounced on it, and with all the Canadiens heading up ice, Brad Marchand was able to scoot in alone on Carey Price for the goal that proved to be the winner.

But let’s cut Moen a bit of slack here. He’s a fourth-line forward who had to play as a Top Six against the Bruins. The guy works his ass off and doesn’t make many mistakes.

But the player whose screw-ups produced the first two Boston goals? He’s another story.

I’ve defended P.K. Subban in previous editions of ALN. Under Jacques Martin, a 22-year-old sophomore defenceman was playing more minutes, in all situations, than anyone else on the team.

But I’ve come around to the opinion of P.K.’s critics – including former Canadiens coach Michel Therrien, who was on L’Antichambre after the game.

Subban is not maturing, Therrien said. His concentration is off. He’s making too many mistakes.

To illustrate, Gaston Therrien had video of the first two Boston goals:

• On the first, P.K. made a bad pass that Michael Blunden couldn’t handle. The ensuing mess forced the Canadiens to ice the puck.

With a tired fourth line forced to stay on, Claude Julien came back with Rich Peverley, who won the faceoff, skipped past Petteri Nokelainen and fed Benoit Pouliot looking at a wide-open net.

• The second Boston gaol was worse. P.K., under no pressure behind the Canadiens’ net, attempted a backhand pass so fancy he had to lift his skate to do it. Andrew Ference pinched past Louis Labelanc, pounced on the loose puck and ticked one in off David Krejci.

Subban’s pass, Therrien said, was “not a play you make in the National Hockey League.”

P.K.’s lackadaisical play forced Cunneyworth to juggle his defence pairings: Raphael Diaz joined Josh Gorges on the top unit, with Subban dropping down to join Hal Gill.

Was the loss all on Subban, then?

Of course not. But his struggles are symptomatic of the ills that afflict too many members of the team.

Despite the heroism of Carey Price – it would have been 6-2 without him in Boston – mistakes tend to end up in back of the Canadiens’net.

It’s demoralizing. And a team that has trouble scoring can’t afford to give up gift goals.

Positive signs?

• A good third-period, highlighted by a late goal and pressure in the dying seconds

• Only two minor penalties – and an impressive long kill by the PK unit – in a game that scarecely resembled the usual Canadiens-Bruins wars. maybe it’s because Milan Lucic wasn’t playing.

• Signs of life from the Tomas Plekanec line. But it’s been this kind of season for the Canadiens: David Desharnais was 2-13 on faceoffs and his line had an off-night. It seems impossible for this team to have six top forwards all playing well for 60 minutes.

• The fourth line was probably the Canadiens’ best. What does that tell you?

It tells you the team is in trouble.

And while it seems he’s been able to light a fire under Michael Blunden, I don’t know if Randy Cunneyworth can turn things around.

Cunneyworth is a good man and a good coach, universally respected by everyone in hockey.

But Geoff Molson’s statement on Monday – issued 48 hours after the change, as the owner attempted to stamp out a language forest fire – seems to pin a lame duck’s wings on his head coach.

Since being appointed on Saturday, Cunneyworth has had two morning skates to work with his players.

That isn’t much time to put in a new system … even if Cunneyworth were inclined to do so.

He was Jacques Martin’s assistant. Cunneyworth was responsible for the power play, which was 0-for-2 and is 28th in the NHL.

On Wednesday, the Canadiens will be in Chicago, playing a Blackhawks team on the second night of a back-to-back.

That should be an advantage … and it better be, against a team that leads the Western Conference and, like Boston, has scored 111 goals this season.

That’s 24 more than your 12th-place Montreal Canadiens.

At the end of L’Antichambre, they were looking past this season.

François Gagnon was nominating Vincent Damphousse as the Canadiens’ next general manager and wishing him luck in dealing with coach Patrick Roy.

We’ll hear a lot of  that over the next 48 games, and the only thing that might quell rampant speculation is a hot Canadiens team embarking on a winning streak that propels them northward in the Eastern Conference standings.

Anyone foresee that happening?

258 Comments

  1. novahab says:

    Well I like to say I am English speaking and I don’t speak French. The point I like to make is lets put a french only speaking coach in charge of the Toronto Maples Leafs and see what happens. Its the Toronto media that really beating the drums here saying it shouldn’t matter. That same media would be going nuts with a freach speaking only coach of their Leafs. I think it does matter and why oh why would PG put Cunneyworth in that position. Only way to solve this is throw enough money at Roy get him in here ASAP and take care of Cunneyworth for what you did to him.

  2. novahab says:

    This season is a total mess. I think JM knew he was on the way out and didn’t put any effort in to this seson and the players knew it to. Thats why he wasn’t kept till the seaon was over. Not sure what PG could do he needed a coach and I don’t think Roy was willing to take the job till the start of next year. Now you have a lamb duck coach like Cunneyworth. Lets hope the players like him and will play for him to help him land a job next year. The good news is this team is heading to the basement fast and a higher draft pick. The big question is how do you ask fans to pay those prices for seats for a team that doesn’t give a crap. If the fans do then this has become the second Toronto and thats very sad for hockey in Montreal.

    • --Habs-- says:

      Its starts with the tools he’s provided. A lazy SOB like AK is a lazy SOB no matter what coach he plays for! Its all starts with heart! And this team like the Grinch is a few sizes too small. I don’t understand for the life of me why management insist on keeping AK around. Players like that pollute the bench and the dressing room. A player sitting on the bench has to be able to look at his partner and know he’s pulling his weight. If not its a huge problem. This isn’t about 1 player. Its about the team and there is no I in team and we currently have too many I’s with no heart. And when management keeps the broken pieces of the puzzle it drags down the good pieces, the few that we have.

  3. LafleurFan says:

    More discouragement but there were some positives from last night’s game.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • habfan53 says:

      REALLY what positive can you take from last night??
      That we played 30 minutes instead of 20 ? that our players gave gifts to the Bruins 6 days early?

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  4. HabFanSince72 says:

    The whole “coach needs to speak French” thing is another aspect of the craziness that has surrounded the team these last few years. Some people in media pronounce that the coach must speak French because the Canadiens are an important cultural institution, and through force of repetition it becomes accepted as gospel (e.g. by airheads like Francois Gagnon – is there a bigger ditz on sports TV?).

    But coach of the Habs isn’t prime minister of Quebec. It isn’t mayor of Montreal. It isn’t president of a university. It isn’t director of the Theatre School. It is not a position of MAJOR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.

    Can anyone honestly say that Michel Therrien and Alain Vignault will go down as major figures in Quebec culture?

    It’s just the coach for God’s sake. The guy who picks the starting keeper, selects the lines, and makes sure players’ focus on the job for a couple of years until a losing streak sees him out the door.

    I can visualize Jean Charest right now, moistened finger in the air, waiting to see which way the wind blows, before making his own pronunciamento.

    • The Cat says:

      Everything you say is true. Some people though just look for any excuse to have a language debate for ratings. And people eat this up, the same way most americans initially thought Iraq was responsible for 9-11.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • V says:

      Well to say that coaches of the Canadiens don’t go down as major figures in Quebec culture is debatable. Depends on what you mean by major I guess. As a player, Maurice Richard is definitely a major figure – quite an achievement for a hockey player.

      Toe Blake and Sam Pollock come to mind as very iconic figures – not sure how major in the broader context, but definitely on the radar screen.

      The Habs were established as a French Canadian team and that should be honored. And French Canadian people have every right to tell us how it should be honored because it is their team. Language and culture matter a lot – it matters in business and it should matter in sports.

  5. --Habs-- says:

    How can Cole have 20 shifts through the game while Moen has 25 in a game we’re behind most of the game where we only took 2 penalties. Because in case nobody noticed at this point in the season Cole is by far our best forward. Thank god we signed him or this season would be over. BTW the only decent signing i think this organization has made since maybe Gionta.

  6. JUST ME says:

    Man how things change in a few days ! A week ago although not a power house, the habs were in the middle pack hoping for better days with lots of games to spare.
    Since then we have a new coach that knows he won`t be there next season, a G.M. that is still trying to justify his moves and save his job and an owner who has to face issues that have nothing to do with his real job. Add to this a stupid media frenzy and supporters that have their priorities crooked and you have got an ugly situation. Just a bad dream i suppose…

    • V says:

      This is what you get when the inmates run the asylum. JM had to go they raved and PG panicked and gave them what they wanted.

      Now there will be hell to pay. We went from a team that was holding it’s own till key members came back from injury, to one in complete disarray. I’m going to stick by RC and give him a chance to get his feet planted, but it did not have to be this way.

      And the inmates are still raving. Go figure.

      • Strummer says:

        I agree. Coaching changes yield immediate results when the new coach is one who is knowledgeable, experienced and impactful.

        Think Keenan, Lemaire, Tortorella, Hitchcock and dare I say Pat Quinn.

        This is the type you need for an interim solution to stop the bleeding but may not necessarilty suit you long term- think Keenan, Lemaire

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  7. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    I still see a team not prepared to play. RC deserves a few more games to instill his ideas in the team, although from what I read they won’t be drastically different than JM’s.

    I liked his TO call last night after the icing, and I think he will use the players he has a little better (in my opinion) than JM did. But what did AK do to not get more ice time?

    A long cold winter awaits.

    Does Damphousse have any hockey business pedigree? Somebody else mentioned Denis Savard for coach, and I’m game for that too. Neither of those guys, in my recollection seem totally out to lunch, and they get the tick on their evaluation in the language column.

    Glad I’m riding this winter out and second guessing on my couch in Nova Scotia, not perched high atop Mount Hab and having to make the real decisions;-)

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  8. mtucker1969 says:

    I have been a Habs fan for over 35 years. This crap that the owner has to issue a press release because the new coach is an anglo is pathetic. There is no other word. Pathetic. All I want to know is can he coach? If yes…..great good luck…..If no…get out of the way and find another one.

    Was Cecil Hart French?
    Was Dick Irvan French?
    Was Toe Blake French?
    Was Scotty Bowman French? (albeit he lived in Montreal)……….

    Lets face it….we need a french coach only to distract the locals from the fact the team is not a leading franchise anymore. Can you imagine if English Canada put up a fuss if a french guy became a coach of the Leafs……I am so tired of this rhetoric. It is pathetic.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I can imagine some people putting a fuss if the Leafs coach didn’t speak a word of English, yes.

      • G-Man says:

        No. Never! They would accept that in a heartbeat. ;)

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        Can you imagine the TSN message boards? Be worse than PK scoring a PP goal in overtime to beat the Leafs on a Saturday night.

        I guess we’re lucky that at this point neither is a likely scenario.

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    • zedder81 says:

      I’d love to see them put a French only speaking coach in Laugh land. It wouldn’t happen because the fans wouldn’t allow it. Could you imagine everyday the 20 reporters standing around the Leaf changeroom asking questions and needing a translator. Wouldn’t happen. Wouldn’t happen in Calgary, Edmonton, the peg or Van either.

      You don’t need a french GM because he doesn’t speak to the media everyday. So let’s start be getting the best GM and getting some players here. Good players make good coaches.

      In my life the Habs have won 8 Stanley Cups and the Leafs 0. How can you put a value on that?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      mtucker, sorry to interrupt your rant here, but no one is saying we need a French coach. France is actually a relatively weak hockey nation and it is highly unlikely that we would find a qualified bilingual candidate there.

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  9. New says:

    RC is actually in a good position. The team sucks. As pointed out on the AC last night some of the reason is unprofessional behaviour. If RC can motivate some players who seem to have gone off script and win more than he loses the coaching portion will be seen as a win. I think that is why Carriere is an assistant. To see who amongst the current non-performers is a “DGAF”. Like Gainey stepping behind the bench before the purge the axe will fall on some surprised necks.

    Likewise on the language front RC has all the cards. He can ignore it, focus on the team, and get his CV stamped for another position. Or he can try his best to speak french. He can use Carriere as a crutch after the all star break, then take more and more questions. It hurts your head, it isn’t easy, and we really do hurt their ears with our fumbling efforts. If he tries and the media are still anti-RC then it says there is an agenda. I don’t think there is.

    Bob Gainey took the effort to learn and speak it. Koivu didn’t. The language of hockey is english. But this is all about respect not coaching or playing ability. Respect for the folks paying a good part of the bill, and respect for your profession on and off the ice. I think RC has the parts to turn this into a win situation. PK has the parts to be a superstar and not an indolent brat.

    I have a suspicion that the big move is Carriere into the room.

  10. matraque says:

    PK PK PK PK

    Seriously, if people could stop chanting his name for no reasons, maybe he would focus more on the little things instead of being flashy pretty much turn the puck into his own net.

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    Never go Full Retard
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  11. RGM says:

    The great J.T. wrote this article at her blog in February 2010. It includes that spectacular quote from Ken Dryden in which he says (in 1983), “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win or to be French Canadian.”
    Given the imbroglio, that article is once again required reading: http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/2010/02/prescience.html

    It is too bad that the sound and fury signifying nothing focuses on the latter. Meanwhile, the season edges closer to being lost.

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  12. sherburnehabfan says:

    All what Randy Cunneyworth wants for Christmas is, rosetta stone french.

  13. Bash says:

    When things are not going well it is so easy to lash out at every and any target. The fair weather crowd are running for cover as the sky crushes every hope. Yet, give us two wins in a row and they couldn’t say (deleted) with their mouths full of it.

    I have a functional knowledge of French. Both my kids are fluent. But I
    have had enough of the ongoing Habs as nationalist pawn rhetoric.
    I could say more but sometimes its better to walk away.

    After half a century of cheering for MY Canadiens this is the first time I have had thoughts of doing just that.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  14. --Habs-- says:

    Look! When Travis Moen is your second leading shift per game forward you know the teams in deep do do. Mr Molson did you take notice that Travis 25 shifts in the game and only Plex had more.

  15. A. Kostitsyn played a total of 11:28 Minutes in last nights game and did not register a shot on goal. I did not see the game, just looking at the stats from last night. Maybe AK will walk at seasons end since he will become a UFA and signed elsewhere.

    Price and Subban might follow suit? It seems like most comments wants them gone and they may get their wish soon. Who will replace them is another story for another day. Perhaps these so call genius has the right answer? Waiting to hear that one? Sigh

  16. HardHabits says:

    They should have left JM in until the season ended. At least then the punditocracy would have focused on PK Subban and Price’s errors. Now the Habs could make the play-offs and people are still going to ask for heads to roll.

    So many fans are warm to the idea of tanking and taking the draft pick. They realize that it is just one maybe two seasons of futility for a rebuild. Too bad the owners and the idiots who run this club don’t realize this. Poor bastards still believe they are the Montreal Canadiens. That team died with the past. These Habs have become the California Golden Seals.

    Too bad the Cirque du Soleil didn’t buy the franchise. They could have put on a better spectacle than this side car freak show we are forced to witness.

    At least there is some entertainment value in that… right!

  17. --Habs-- says:

    This edition of the Habs are done! Mr Molson please no more patch work. Don’t think I can take more stupid moves to fix leaks that are really huge holes! Time to get a new GM in place that knows what he’s doing. A GM that knows the ingredients to win. Mixture of size, speed and toughness and we’re missing most of it.

  18. Bim says:

    Another game..another loss..I think its about time PK goes to Hamilton. At least if he’s making mistakes down there nobody will notice. That behind the back pass to the Buins for a goal was particularly pretty. Sending PK to Hamilton is no big deal. There’s plenty of defensemen around to take his place. In fact the whole team is a team of defensemen. Hands of steel and brains to match. More of same to come over the next 48. Yeah!!!

  19. Hali_Hab says:

    And Ak 46 played with plecky two games ago

    • --Habs-- says:

      Maybe it time to retool. There is nothing on the ice right now. No really good game changing players, no emotion no nothing! Its over. There is absolutely no leadership on that ice right now.

  20. Hali_Hab says:

    Thanks Un Canadien

  21. J.J. of Turku says:

    Maybe it’s time to reunite AK46 and Pleky…

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  22. Marc10 says:

    I hate the Bruins.

    I couldn’t watch the game and just caught the highlights…

    From the highlights, we’re seeing a lot of the usual. The Habs get the chances but Thomas shuts the door.

    The Bruins goals were opportunistic. All three of them.

    The Habs goals were hard earned from sustained pressure. All two of them.

    But yeah… What is wrong with PK?! Has he completely lost the plot? That was absolutely brutal. It’s a shame we can’t bench his arse because he so richly deserves it.

    Highlights are interesting. They don’t tell you the whole story. But I didn’t see Eller or AK at all. Pleks, Cams, Max, Cole, Darche and Price I did see. I knew Darche would show in Beantown. If he only had a better center like Halpern… That was a better fit it seems…

    Sad. I thought we’d do well this year, but from training camp this ship didn’t sail right…

  23. JF says:

    Geoff Molson is starting to reveal his true colours as an owner, and they’re not looking pretty. He metaphorically cuts the feet out from under his new coach by telling him and the world that he’ll be gone at season’s end. How’s that for a vote of confidence? He tells the fans and the rabid media that the next coach will be a francophone, or that the ability to communicate in French will be the main criterion when it comes to selecting a coach. Of course that’s what the French media want to hear, but it was refreshing to hear Vincent Damphousse state that the most important attribute of a coach should be his ability to communicate with the players, not his fluency in French. Couldn’t Molson have said something like that?

    It was obvious he was going to make a statement, but the one he made was pretty gutless. He should have given an unqualified endorsement to his new coach and talked about the necessity for excellence in all aspects of running the team. I’m beginning to think he’s not a big enough man for his job; I think we should be worried about where this franchise is headed, not only this year, which is obviously over, but in the future.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      JF, you’re misstating facts to fit your argument. Nowhere does Geoff Molson state that “the next coach will be a francophone, or that the ability to communicate in French will be the main criterion when it comes to selecting a coach”.

      The statement reads that “the ability for the head coach to express himself in both French and English will be a very important factor in the selection of the permanent head coach”.

      Let’s try to inform each other though debate instead of trying to obscure the truth and inflame passions.

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      • JF says:

        You’re certainly right about his actual words, but the implication is pretty clear. If “the ability for the head coach to express himself in both French and English” is to be “a very important factor in the selection of the permanent head coach,” is that not tantamount to saying the next coach must speak French? Will the organization be willing to put aside that “very important factor” if the best candidate is not bilingual? At the very least, Molson’s statement tells Cunneyworth that he’s living on borrowed time.

        I would have liked to hear Molson say that the organization’s goal and the best way for the team to do honour to the people of Quebec is to win the Stanley Cup; that it was their responsibility to hire the people they thought were best qualified to do that. If the best candidate for coach also speaks French, fine; if not, he could undertake to learn it.

        • PeterStone says:

          If “the ability for the head coach to express himself in both French and English” is to be “a very important factor in the selection of the permanent head coach,” is that not tantamount to saying the next coach must speak French?

          If you are asking the question, then my answer is No. I interpret it as meaning its an important factor, but not the most important factor. As a matter of fact, my interpretation is the next coach may not speak french, if he fills the more important factor better than a bi-lingual coach.

          Of course, thats just my opinion.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          You know what a powerful statement it would be if Mr. Cunneyworth took demonstrable, significant steps in learning French over the off-season?

          Wouldn’t have been a great indicator as well if Kirk Muller had used his years in Montreal to pick up conversational French, instead of moaning and bellyaching about not being able to get the job because he doesn’t speak French?

          There was a young lady who insisted she wanted to work in my division, and applied every time an opening occurred. She was a talented and promising employee, but there were significant gaps in her resume and experience, and she wouldn’t get the job. I would tell her the things she needed to acquire or polish to be considered next time, and I’d ask for her to pitch in and work in our area during the month of October when things were crazy. She never did any of those things, just kept putting in applications. She invariably got blown out of the water by those candidates who did do those things and made themselves more appealing, more complete candidates.

          Mr. Muller took his inability to speak French as a fait accompli, instead of going for it, he took the easy way out and went to Milwaukee and Carolina. I wish him well, but I don’t see him as this cast away saint.

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      • Chris says:

        You honestly don’t believe that the statement “the ability for the head coach to express himself in both French and English will be a very important factor in the selection of the permanent head coach” was a shot across the brow of Randy Cunneyworth?

        Cunneyworth will not be learning French between now and April. The season is too hectic for such an endeavour. The Canadiens will almost certainly want to have a coach in place by June so that the new coach has input into the players the team drafts and pursues via free agency. That leaves Cunneyworth a month, maybe two, to learn French. Good luck with that.

        I don’t believe anything Jane said was an attempt to obscure the truth or inflame passion. A strong part of debate is nuance and reading between the lines. For me at least, the writing between the lines might as well have been written in neon pink: Randy Cunneyworth is a lame duck coach unless he can somehow get this team to the conference finals. And even then, the axe will ALWAYS be poised because he isn’t Gauthier’s guy.

    • Chris says:

      I read that statement the exact same way you did and feel the same way: what a gutless way to throw your current coach under the bus.

      As for the French issue, I am so beyond caring about language. I find the insecurity around the French language in Quebec so painful it defies belief. I have few issues with the province trying to protect its language and culture. But the coach of the Montreal Canadiens has absolutely nothing to do with the cultural richness of the French language in Quebec.

      Hockey fans (both French and English) embraced Mats Naslund when he arrived from Sweden. Alex Kovalev was beloved in Montreal, and I would argue that the French fans were possibly even more enamoured with him than the English fans as he was one of the few players whose skill harkened back to the days of the “Flying Frenchmen”. Andrei Markov and Saku Koivu (whose French only became an issue when he was named captain) are two recent guys whose language skills was often an impediment to one of the media groups covering the Habs.

      Europeans have been dealing with language issues for centuries. English is the international language of business, and French was once upon a time the language of diplomacy. German is obviously a major language in Europe due to that country’s population and economic clout.

      Yet a country like Denmark, where my father came from, has had no trouble maintaining a strong cultural identity and vibrant langugage (related but very much distinct from German) despite being a country of only ~ 5.5 million. Similarly, languages like Czech, Slovak, Hungarian or Finnish continue to be spoken in their respective countries.

      A guy like Dave King could go over and coach hockey in any number of countries (last I heard, he was in Russia). Guys of various nationalities coach throughout Europe; former Swedish national team coach Bengt-Åke Gustafsson has coached in Sweden, Austria, Switzerland and was recently dismissed from a position in the KHL in Russia.

      Part of the problem in the NHL is that teams insist on these silly language requirements for dealing with the press instead of actually focussing on whether the guy behind the bench is doing his job. English is the language of hockey, and the coach must be able to speak English well enough to communicate with his players.

      I am a native English speaker who took years of French immersion. I watch hockey games in French (I prefer the French announcers, in general) and I read interesting columns in French and English. To be honest, I have very little interest in player or coach interviews…I pity the reporters who have to ask the same questions for 82 games per season only to ge the same answers back.

      If Randy Cunneyworth is the best coach for the job, hire him. If not, how about the Montreal Canadiens demonstrate the ability to lead the pack and think outside the box. Some of the most innovative coaching in the world has come from European nations. If the Canadiens truly want to draft players to play a puck-possession game, why not hire a coach (Russian or Swedish) trained in a system where puck-possession reigns supreme?

  24. doublerr says:

    Price and Cammy for Cam Ward and E Staal!
    Its not that crazy and changes the face of the team

  25. HabFanSince72 says:

    Can someone update us on the upcoming draft? I know about Yakupov of course. Any other gems?

    • Chris says:

      Further down the list, I’m VERY impressed with Matt Finn and Scott Kosmachuk of the Guelph Storm (I’m familiar with those guys as I catch a fair number of Storm games).

      Finn has great size (6’0″ and 200 pounds) for a 17 year old and is very mobile. I see a lot of Drew Doughty in his game, but he is obviously not quite at that level. Still, I would argue he is quite a bit ahead of Daniel Girardi at the same age, and Girardi has become a great defenceman for the Rangers.

      As for Kosmachuk, he’s 6’0″ but only 177 pounds, so he’s got some filling out to do. He’s got excellent speed and is a very capable stick-handler. He’s not shy about cutting into the middle, so he’s definitely a leg up on Matt D’Agostini, another Guelph alum. It is hard to compare the offensive players of the current Storm with previous editions as the team is so young (11 of their key players are 17 or younger), but Kosmachuk’s motor reminds me a lot of Dustin Brown or Ryan Callahan; even in losses, you notice Kosmachuk because he’s still skating hard and competing. That is a massive world of difference from Peter Holland, the first round pick of the Ducks who I really liked his first two seasons but he suddenly stopped trying and working in the OHL.

      I’m intending to catch some more games soon as Zac Leslie has emerged as a potential first-round pick from the Storm as well, and I hadn’t really noticed him in the past.

  26. V says:

    I sincerely hate this whole French coach thing, but it’s a big factor in Quebec and has to be acknowledged or it becomes yet another major distraction.

    The JM firing was a panic move that will be extremely difficult to turn around. On the one hand, it’s fun to watch the terror in the eyes of all those who called for his firing – without any sense what so ever about what the team should legitimately do once he was gone.

    Now we get to see why you will never be a GM outside your mom’s basement. And raises very serious questions about PG.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      V, for chrissakes, the ‘thing’ we’re talking about is not about a “French coach”, nobody is demanding the Canadiens hire a European born in Paris.

      It’s not even about a French-Canadian coach. What some people feel is appropriate is that the Canadiens head coach be bilingual. The crazy Culture Minister everyone is demonizing is, actually, using these precise, modest words. No requirement that he be born in Québec or that his native tongue be French, just that he be able to communicate with the public in French.

      Let’s please, everyone, not overstate things and polarize both sides of this issue. Let’s keep things in perspective.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I’m perfectly bilingual, born and raised in the Montreal area. The only requisite a coach should have anywhere is being a good coach ie: winning. The language should not be a factor…at all. As long as he can somehow communicate with his players and make them understand enough for them to score goals and win games, it’s all good.
        That said, if 2 coaches of equal value were available, and one was bilingual, I’d take him to both please the fans, and in the case that it was a native Quebecer, to give him a shot because it’s fairly rare that they get their first shot outside of Montreal……but….if the unilingual coach was believed to be just a tiny bit better….I’d take him.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • V says:

        Bi-lingual coach was what I meant – and I can certainly see how you could misinterpret that. Will be more careful.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m not misinterpreting, you’re misstating. I’m reading things as you write them. You’re wading into the debate with a complete distortion of the facts. You’re overstating things. You’re being imprecise with language, and leaving your audience with the impression that the Canadiens have stated and the public wants a “French coach”. Nobody wants that. Nobody is arguing that the coach should be French Canadian either, just that he be bilingual.

          I’m a Montreal-born French Canadian, and people frequently and most likely involuntarily demean me by saying: “You’re French…” I always correct them that I’m in fact Canadian, and not French. I usually retort: “Are you English? Were you born in London?”

          Let’s not allow ourselves to get into a Don Cherry mentality, where there’s good Canadian boys, and there’s also visor-wearing Frenchies.

          ———————————
          How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I don’t think it was a panic move. The team wasn’t getting any better, hence the firing….happens all the time. I also doubt PG or GM thought that there would be a huge difference but wanted to stir things up, hoping the players would take heed and play a little better. At least short term, RC will do a lot of the things JM convinced him were right. That may change over time as RC discovers his own system and tries different things. PG likely knew all along that RC would be a decent fill-in and he’s now discussing with his staff and with GM who will be the next coach assuming we don’t win the Cup ;-)

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • G-Man says:

        I think it was a stuuuuuuuupid move. RC brings nothing new to the table as far as game play goes. Sure, he lets the D join the rush, but that’s about it.
        The season should have ended with JM at the helm. This throwing away of coach after coach shows a lack of organizational planning. 11 in 20 years proves how inept management has been.
        The Carbonneau firing was short-sighted, as well. That “team” was 3 different rooms in one (The Koivu faction- the Kovalev faction- and the rest that didn’t give a deleted).
        The one thing JM brought was an insistence on the players being in great physical condition. The problem is that since then the Habs have always had at least 1 player on the LTIR.
        This PG firing did not change anything. RC has no answers either and is stuck looking up in the pressbox and seeing Carriere and PG “evaluating” everyone.
        Fearless prediction: All UFAs will be traded before the trade deadline for picks and pucks. A new GM and staff will be annnounced in April/May.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      No panic in my eyes. JM was a useless coach who should have never been coach of this team to begin with. He destroyed this team and the guys and for them to come back will be a insurmountable task. People can blame Randy but he’s only taken the reigns 2 games ago.

  27. cuzzie says:

    With all this language hoopla, Quebec City has a better chance joining the KHL then they do the NHL.

    Mr. Bad Example!

  28. Mattyleg says:

    Holy cow.
    It’s been a loooong time since I’ve read so many consitently stupid posts on this site:

    Subban to Hamilton.
    BG as GM worst mistake in Habs history.
    I don’t care about language all I care about is winning.
    etc etc.

    I think I’ll check back in when people’s brains have woken up.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • V says:

      Good idea Matty. Oh, and you forgot the one where the team should demote RC and have some injured players coach the team for awhile.

      The moon must be full somewhere.

    • harpman says:

      The worst mistakes in Hab history were the trades of Roy to Colorado and the trade of Desjardin and Leclaire to Philly for Recchi. Letting Bowman walk away after the `79 season was pretty stupid also.

    • The Cat says:

      Subban has his place in MTL, he just had a real stinker last night.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  29. pastor_prime says:

    Just woke up with a brilliant suggestion: while they are still injured put Gionta and Markov behind the bench! Interim-ly demote Randy and get the captain and PP general as head and ass’t coaches. We need ‘player’s coaches’ and people who know how to win in today’s game. They are both still getting paid, right?

    Only Gomez knows what being Gomez feels like.

    • V says:

      And while you’re at it, get them to wear funny hats and false noses while they coach – that might help!

      I am genuinely afraid this post might not be a joke. If it’s not, what the hell am I doing here?

      • pastor_prime says:

        Not a joke. You got a better idea? Habs management is imploding, out of ideas. Cunny over his head. Boston announcers last night said the Habs morning skate yesterday was lackadaisical, hadn’t seen a team practice like that for a while. Why not have the players take care of themselves for a while? Can’t get much worse.

        Only Gomez knows what being Gomez feels like.

  30. MTLForever says:

    eller and subban in hamilton? what a joke some of you are on this site. its embarrassing.

  31. WindsorHab-10 says:

    All I have to say is thank you Bob Gainey. That guy ruined this franchise for many years to come & handed things over to PG so he can get the blame. Hiring Gainey was the worst decision ever made by this franchise.

    “Hate the Ole song like a sickness”

    • RetroMikey says:

      I agree 100% with you.
      Bobby is still in the picture as an adviser to Gauthier and we can’t put the blame on Pierre totally.
      After all, Gauthier is a puppet on a string to Gainey and when they get rid of Bobby from the organization totally, then Gauthier will have his strings cut from him and join Bobby on the unemployment line.
      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • banjo bernie says:

      Hey I got the same picture, except my players are wearing their colors opposite of yours…….must be a mistake by the laundry man

    • V says:

      I think Gainey was great for a number of reasons, not the least of which he called out jerks who are constantly slagging players on the team – said they weren’t real fans and the club did not need them.

      Came to mind when I read your post.

  32. Dulljerk says:

    The whole french thing is a dog bone. I don’t care if he speaks Polish, if he can squeak a win out of these “fancy” boys. Subban’s antics during last night’s game would land him in the pressbox with a good coach. If RC is going to win this job, there is only one way to silence the four soverignists left in Quebec – WIN SOME GAMES.

    “Is the little dog going to yap, or is he going to bite?”

  33. HabFanSince72 says:

    Wait a minute!

    Cunneyworth was in charge of the power play ?????

    The worst power play in the league ?

  34. WindsorHab-10 says:

    With french being a top priotity to becoming a Habs coach, this IMO limits the talent pool of coaches available. Mr Molson’s comments don’t help much either. As a fan, it’s all about winning.

    “Hate the Ole song like a sickness”

  35. The Cat says:

    Seriously, the habs should hire a guy with PR political skills cause they dont seem to know what to do. Why not have RC read some french on tv, like say “Give me a chance to win your hearts.” Or just any gesture to lower the temperature a couple of degrees.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  36. Da Hema says:

    I am trying to remain optimistic — after all, the team is fortunate enough to be within grasp of a playoff spot despite its play — yet I cannot but conclude this organization looks, once again, to be in disarray. The only thing separating the current administration from the Houle era is that the team at least is not decimating its few remaining assets by trading away Price or Subban or Pacioretty.

    The coaching issue is particularly troublesome for me. While I am not surprised Molson issued a pandering statement to Quebec nationalists, I am stunned he in effect told Cunneyworth “don’t bother applying for the position after the season.” I understand the Montreal Canadiens believe they must secure a French-Canadian head coach, but how many really good ones are available?

    Let’s see. Claude Julien? Oh, he’s in Boston. Alain Vigneault? Right, he’s in Vancouver. So, who is available? Discussion in the media is moving towards Patrick Roy. I believe Roy would be a monumental error for what my opinion is worth. Those who support Roy evoke his “passion,” but if passion is what the team needs, then wouldn’t Michel Therrien be a better choice? It is deeply regrettable the organization will narrow its options by focusing on language as the central criterion. By the way, unless I am mistaken, isn’t Pierre Gauthier French-Canadian? How’s that looking now?

    I am shocked and dismayed at the rapid decay — again — of this once-proud institution, and oftentimes wish I had no memory of its past accomplishments.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hippo, I don’t think comments saying that the appointment of a French-speaking coach is pandering to Quebec nationalists is very well informed.
      It’s not just Quebec nationalists that would like a French-speaking coach. As I’ve said, imagine England hired a non-English-speaking manager for their football (soccer) team. It’s a similar situation here.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  37. Mike D says:

    Anyone who suddenly sees PK Subban as expendable or tradeable, when last year he was untouchable, is totally clueless. He’s still every bit the blue-chipper we thought he was, and every bit as untouchable.

    Yes, he’s having a rough season defensively and his offense has not improved either (similar in point production to last year, but play is more predictable and often appears not well thought out). I would agree he needs to sit a few games to rest and regain his focus, but he’s still a keeper.

    He’s very young and plays in the biggest pressure-cooker in the league. He’s being asked to play roles and minutes beyond his current development because of injuries and an even less experienced core of Dmen teammates. He’s having a typical sophomore slump (if it didn’t exist it wouldn’t be a coined phrase). Dmen take longer to develop. The whole team is in disarray. All reasons to be patient with this charismatic young man who we still can’t accuse of taking a shift off or being lackadaisical about winning. For crying out loud, he even grew up a Habs fan despite being from Toronto. What more could you want?

    Look on the bright side. A bad season will mean a less-expensive contract on the salary cap for the duration of his next contract.

    - Honestly yours

  38. Mike D says:

    I normally take the talking heads on TV with a grain of salt, but the overwhelming concensus is that our organization is in total disarray. Regardless of whether you listen to TSN, RDS, CBC, or Sportsnet, the opinions are unified.

    Initially, most of the blame was being put on JM with a substantial dose going to PG as well. After reading Molson’s press release, it’s safe to say he’s put himself right in the midde of harm’s way. He completely undermined RC’s authority to the players and publicly embarrassed him to boot. RC has been a good soldier in his short stint as head coach, but I certainly wouldn’t blame him if he quit and issued his own press release stating the glaringly obvious reasons why.

    My only hope is that Geoff Molson pulled RC aside and said, “Listen, the club has to say something to cool off the langauage police and these french fanatics who mistakenly see this team and it’s past culture as an extension of themselves in order for you to function in your job. So I’ll put out a BS press release catering to their whiny-little-girl demands which should allow you some breathing room to do everything you can to try to salvage the season without the distractions. If you do well, you can stay on as HC beyond this season and maybe try to learn enough french in the meantime that you’ll be able to provide some sound clips to the media by the time training camp opens. That should keep the language hounds at bay during your tenure.” Only problem with this is that it was so poorly written that now the english media thinks we’re a joke – and rightfully so.

    For the record I’m not saying it’s likely Geoff actually did that, but two weeks ago he publicly gave a vote of confidence to PG and JM. We all know what JM’s fate was, and word is PG is also running out of rope. Point being that just because Molson says something in the media, it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what his true intentions are. Unfortunately, we’ll never know if that was actually the case, or if the pressure became too much due to no improvement in the team’s results, and that is what caused the change.

    Either way, food for thought.

    - Honestly yours

    • The Cat says:

      It could work out well in the end. The players might rally around RC if they like him, which I think they do.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I really would have preferred the stability of keeping Mr. Martin on at least until the end of the year. He’s a pro who inspires respect, Mr. Cunneyworth is an unknown quantity who has a lot of obstacles to overcome to establish himself, compared to Kirk Muller in Carolina for example. Instead of being a dismissal to remove a distraction, it is turning into a circus which is causing more upheaval.

      This past summer I was all starry-eyed with respect to the Canadiens’ prospects, taking for granted that all aspects of the team were improved, but like you mentioned, eventually all the expert dissenters made me pause and take a second look. (http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/2011/10/2011-12-season-prediction.html ). I wasn’t on board with the Tomas Kaberle trade, nor was I with the dismissal at this point in the season. And it seems the critics are unanimous. I wish there were more dissenters who applaud these moves, and they were more persuasive.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • L.Ahabsfan says:

        U.c.e- I read th blogger from oct 6 and he basically is saying what I just said in my first post. We have young D and a lot of potential for the future…. Not so bad eh.. Plus we now have Kaberle to add to the mix. I would trade weber for a 2nd or 3rd round pic and a decent young offensive role player to add depth to our lineup that can also
        Play in Hamilton.

    • L.Ahabsfan says:

      Mike I hope Molson did speak to RC as you stated because that could be the only way I could fathom him not being a complete moron and joke of an owner. I would assume he did, because he has to have some intelligence to run a successful beer and real estate enterprise.

      Just to touch on “the talking heads”/sports media… These guys go where the story goes… If the habs turn it around and suddenly win games and make the playoffs, all of a sudden the team is in perfect shape which is ridiculous. The team is only in disarray because Gauthier made it that way… We have been decimated with injuries.. Period.. Loosing like we did having rookies and sophomores play big minutes is normal and even quite good! It’s called growing pains, and every team goes through it. Except in Montreal there is no room for loosing or growing pains. If we don’t win we’re “in disarray” and automatically we should trade our entire team and philosophy away mid season…. Complete insanity…

      • Mike D says:

        RE: Molson

        Another poster made this point, but I’ll echo it here because it was valid and right on the money. With the issuance of a press release, Molson had an opportunity for a defining moment of his ownership regarding the team’s direction and priorities (under the circumstances, pertaining to the criteria for Head Coach). Looking at the press release he issued, he completely blew that opportunity. I’m not saying he should have made a bold or insulting statement to those demanding more french content, but why not take an approach similar to this for a portion of the statement:

        “The role of a head coach is to teach and prepare players to play their best and get the most out of the team. We as an organization are committed to winning and icing the best team possible, both now and for the future. Our responsibility to ourselves and our fans is to bring glory by way of the Stanley Cup back to our franchise. The NHL is a highly competitive league and in order for us to meet our goals, we must have the best people possible in all positions. From the players, coaching, training, and medical staff, to management and ownership, the skills and abilities that each individual provides must be the primary priority.

        We have a great deal of pride and respect for our place in French Canadian culture, the city of Montreal, and the Province of Quebec. We understand and embrace our obligations to fans and the media of both official languages. While Mr. Cunneyworth is not bilingual, we remain confident he is the best person to assume the role of Interim Head Coach at this point in the season given his intimate knowledge of our team and his extensive coaching background. The move from Assistant to Head Coach provided the easiest transition and most stability to our players which we felt was important to team success.

        Rest assured we will make whatever accomodations necessary to ensure that all of our fans continue to have access to team content in their preferred language of English or French. With our encouragement, Mr. Cunneyworth has also committed to educating himself on the French language and we will provide the necessary support and resources to him in this endeavour.”

        ….something like that. I realize it could have been worded better, but that was just a quick draft to emphasize the point. In my example, you make it clear that your priority is the on-ice product, that language will not dictate policy or personnel, but do so in a manner that is respectful of and not alienating to any segment of the fanbase or media.

        - Honestly yours

  39. L.Ahabsfan says:

    I’ve been reading the hockey inside out posts for months now, and I finally decided I needed to voice my opinion.

    I actually thought the guys played a good game tonight… It was by no means a lackluster pformance. They were moving their legs and using the body. I thought it was a great game to watch.

    The fans that complain and say “might as well just watch the highlights” are not true habs fans. It’s easy to jump on the band wagon when things are going well and the team is winning. Don’t be a hater and a cry baby because the team is going through a tough time.

    I personally believe the team is playing well and is going to bounce back this season with a string of wins. They have the tools to make the playoffs and to dominate teams if the right things fall into place.

    1. No more injuries – if Gionta and Gomers come back the lines could be as follows.

    Dd – Cole – Pacioretty

    Pleks – Cami – Gomez

    Eller – Gionta – Ak47

    Nok – Darche – Moen

    Eller and Gomez could switch lines, but I would put Gomez and Pleks together because Gomers is a defensive liability…

    That’s 4 strong lines,that could role and feed off each other.. Awesome checking line. Not many teams have rosters with that potential.

    2. Fans need to believe that the team has the potential to be great. We psych ourselves out by putting undo pressure on a team that is not playing as badly as the results are reflecting (on top of the fact that we have been plagued with more injuries that any other team in the league).

    3. Markov. His presence alone will change the dynamic of our team. If he can stay healthy and play a solid 20-22 min a game, that is a 2 goal differencial per game or the difference maker in most of our losses.. without having 4 healthy solid offensive lines!! At minimum the difference between having 7 OT or shoot out losses to this point and 2 total. I also believe that Kaberle & Markov will play tremendously well together and make each other better.

    I personally believe the biggest problem with this team is the management which is reflected in Gauthier’s decision making. We have not been getting creamed night in and out like the leafs of last year. The craziest sports fans are habs fans and the last kind of management the habs need are management that are going to fold under pressure by a crazed city of fans that have no rational whatsoever. The team was not playing that badly whatsoever when they fired Martin and not even when they fired Perry Pern. Yes there were several games the Canadians should have won that they had major leads in, but that is because of young players that are playing major roles that they have not yet matured into. In real terms you have weber diaz & Emelin playing Hamerlik, Wiz & sopel minutes. Your talking about rookies playing season vets (potential hall of famed) minutes!!!! And you have a fucken gm that’s worried about his job and making irrational decisions that show no faith in a team or it’s coaching staff without putting the team in any better position to win. Furthermore, if you want to have a team have major philosophy changes in the way they play, hire a coach that will do so!! Not one who works the same system! Perfect example is how Brian Burke handled the last few years with the leafs and did he fire Wilson! No! He actually put his name behind him and said “i don’t know any other coach that is better to lead a team”. That is a leader and the type of person you want to run your organization and give confidents to your coach and what they are implementing. Gauthier’s is not a true leader and not suited for GM position, but more someone behind the scenes in an assistant role.

    A lot to look forward too….

    Our D is fine and quite honestly with Markov back we are stacked to 9 solid defenseman. Diaz, emelin, weber, or bottom 3 could crack half of the NHL teams 5 and 6 D roster spots. Not even counting St. Denis! If we can stay healthy we have a few chips to use to potentially make sme trades and improve our offensive game. We have a lot of talent in our Farm system that will also be great for us in the coming years.

    In summary, I just don’t see why everyone is overreacting like they have been. We have a lot to look forward too….

  40. The Dude says:

    English bloggers are indifferent and French want Bilingual ,well being the Habs are a team biased in la Belle Province and Coach RC is interim…Win goes to a small distinct majority that lives in the area known as Quebec on the Huge North American Continent and I don’t see any harm in this … What would the best Prime Minister Canada ever had,the Great Pierre Elliot Trudeau want?

  41. Frank2468 says:

    Tomorrows team meeting and RC interview with the French media.

    What we got here is a failure to
    communicate. Some men you can’t reach,
    that is they just don’t listen when
    you talk reasonable so you get what
    we had here last week, which is the
    way he wants it, well he gets it,
    and I don’t like it any better than
    you men.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

    Cool Hand Luke

  42. nickster13 says:

    Well, i want our team to win more than anything, but frankly, we suck, so lets just shut it down for the year, trade some loose baggage and get a blue chipper in the draft, the sens did this for about 2 years and theyre already better than us again, very sad.

    • Mike D says:

      Not that Im ready to concede that OTT is truly a better team than we are, because I truly believe they are not even close despite the standings, but you have a point.

      Their recent trade though was a big step backward in my opinion. Giving up Rundblad who was their mosr recent 1st round pick (and a high one), plus a 2nd round pick in the next draft for Kyle Turris who already seems to have an inflated sense of self-worth despite not having proven a fkn thing in the NHL to date. Not to mention an ego so big that he was refusing to sign his contract with the Yotes this summer until it almost came time he would have to forfeit his season.

      I guess only time will tell how this trade works out for both sides, but ATM, I’m saying “stupid move, Ottawa”.

      - Honestly yours

  43. Wayne says:

    I stopped watching the game after the first goal. I figured I’d look around online for something interesting to watch. I ran across a documentary on this guy named GG Allin. It was about an entertainer who, during a show, insults his audience and defecates onstage. It was awful.
    Wait a sec, that was still the Habs game. I must have been daydreaming.

    • Frank2468 says:

      Nice one Wayne that made laugh, lmao. It actually made me think of my dad god rest his soul, he used to say when the habs lost or played bad with an Italian accent “Aw they sh!t their pants tonight” thanks for the laugh!!!

  44. moester says:

    Great article! I think that you are bang on about P.K. although I am hoping that his lack of progression is more a function of undue pressure as opposed to a fundamental inability to elevate his game to the next level. I guess the next couple of years will tell if he is the next Paul Coffee or the next Ray Emery

  45. smiler2729 says:

    If any of you had any sense of patience, there’d be no talk of dealing away PK Subban.

    I realize this team is underachieving yadda blah blah but let’s stop quitting on players before they truly blossom…

    Imagine trading Guy Lafleur in 1975 cuz he didn’t become the next Beliveau in his first three seasons…
    Imagine trading Larry Robinson cuz he had a bad stretch in 1974… Imagine trading Patrick Roy in his prime in ’95 cuz he lets in 10 goals in a bad game (and don’t believe that bullshit that he demanded a trade, if management had a clue back then, they’d have let everybody cool off)

    The verdict really is Pierre Gauthier is an imcompetent GM

    ___________________________________
    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah chunks

  46. Timo says:

    What, no audio from Cammi? I am very disappointed. It is always such a treat to listen to this guy. He say so many right good things.

  47. Frank2468 says:

    Wow Randy Cunneyworth is really being setup to fail. The Habs lose 2 in a row since taking over and all the people are talking about is the fact he doesn’t speak French. The Habs and media call him an interim coach and the fact he doesn’t speak French will be addressed in the off season. It must be nice to feel welcome in a new job. The message being sent to him is there is no one else we can hire right now so you will have to do but the minute someone else comes along that we like your out the door. If I was him I’d pull a Punch Imlack and sabotage the team or just tell PG thanks but no thanks I’m not going to be your whipping boy so attention is deflected from you. But Randy is a professional and won’t do that, but it would be nice to see if he did and see how PG squirms in his chair to sort out this load of cr**. LOL

    • Timo says:

      RC is probably not as bad as Martin but is he any good? He is part of that same senators gang that was allowed to take over Montreal Canadiens and been running this sh!t show for several years now.

      I am sure he is using this as a chance to show what he can do as a head coach and probably get a job somewhere else after this season is over April 8.

      • Frank2468 says:

        I’ve been a Habs fan since 1970 but with all this st!t going on with the political language issue and the crap we have been subjected to on the ice and in the upper office. The Habs are starting to look like a real joke to the league. It’s starting to make me think about my allegiance to this organization and the way they treat the English speaking fans ala Boivin when he said 2 years ago that it’s the French speaking fans that count. I’m half French Canadian but that comment really pis*ed me off, and now all this stuff about RC. Guess it finally has come to the forefront that all that counts is French speaking people in the organization and the French fans are more important then the English fans. This could actually start a divide with fans following the team. Whats really surprising is the organization could shoot themselves in foot but seems as they don’t care, so why should we as Habs fans.

        • G-Man says:

          The divide has always been there. The English fans came over when the Maroons folded. The rest, mainly Irish, went to the Bruins.
          Did you read The Game, where Dryden mentions that night in November, 1976?

          Like it or not, the Habs have a very dominantly French fan base. Their success has bred admirers from outside the province. These fans aren’t catered to.

          • Frank2468 says:

            G-Man I understand what your saying, but it would seem that there is a swing starting to happen where the French speaking people are starting to get fed-up as well with all this language issue, well the working class French speaking people. Like I said earlier it’s the bureaucrats in hi positions and the media causing the issues. I know it may not happen this minute but if the language thing continues to heat up and it starts to affect the bottom line of the Molsons, where the fans that don’t speak French stop buying tickets or jerseys and things of that nature bet there will some changes cause Molsons main language is the all mighty buck, and being in the 21 Century and a league with 30 teams and Millions and Millions of dollars involved Montreal can ill afford to become a local team only, we know what happens to those teams after time? And I’m half French Canadian and if this is starting to upset me to the point of where I’m starting not to care, cause the Habs need to speak French over winning then why would I waste my time watching them. Now imagine fans that don’t speak French at all? I’m sure they are reaching their limit as well. Being told in so many words thank you for your support but we don’t need you or care if your there. Thats whats being said? I thought self in-flicked wounds are illegal?

  48. Timo says:

    I called it… close game on the score board but like I said – Bruins didn’t let Habs within arm’s length of winning this game. It was still too easy. Why? Cause the “talented” players sucked again. I didn’t think it is possible to hate a player more than Gomez, but I think Cammalleri is taking the honors now. Hopefully there is another clueless GM our there a-la Bobo who thinks Cammalleri is a valuable asset. I think he is just an ass.

    The rest of the team is nothing but a bunch of pluggers which there are a plenty in this league.

    Subban needs to spend a few nights in a press box. He might be tired, overused, over confident, not focused… who cares. He is not making a difference (a good difference) anyway.

    This season is over. Well… it was over some time mid November actually, but now it should become a little more obvious for those still drinking kool-aid.

    The team sucks (Martin was still a huge problem) and it will suck until a new 5 year plan is put in place and we can be proud of getting bounced in the first round once again.

  49. pH-Habs says:

    Really? Mr. Boone I’m a little disappointed. Wasn’t he a game decision because of the flu? And you pick tonight to criticize.

  50. Rad says:

    No, sub-par effort is not our problem, sub-par talent is — which, of course is a direct reflection of sub-par management. It’s what the Commentariat have been saying here for weeks, and they’re right. No 50-goal scorers, no Ross or Norris Trophy winners. No Pavel Datsyuk here, nor Nicklas Lidstrom, Crosby, Stamkos, Giroux, Sedin, Kane, Kopitar, Parise, Iginla, Getzlaf — not even a Kessel. Our heroes go by names like Gionta, Cammalleri, Gomez, and Campoli.

    When was the last time the Montreal Canadiens had a star player on their team? I honestly do not remember. Perhaps it was Patrick Roy. The glory days are long, LONG gone.

    The truth, in a nutshell: the Montreal Canadiens are an inferior organization, from top to bottom.

  51. brandonhab19 says:

    I think Subban is a valuable trade assest, look give him and a 1st round pick you could get a real superstar. I’ve loved PK last year loved him, and the love affair is over. He personifies what ever other fan in the NHL hates about the Canadiens. His diving, his b.s antics, and this season his play doesn’t match up to his on ice ego.

    Also really looking at him he is a goofy player, i dont know too many NHL d-men that look as awkward as he does skating forward of backwards. He makes too many stupid decisions and his fight with marchand this year was laughable.

    We’ve see the best we’re going to get out of him, i honestly feel that way. I know a lot of you probably won’t agree and thats cool, but thats the way i see it.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      It’s almost too late to trade him now, he has hurt his trade value to the point where we would have to take less in return than he is worth. Earlier in the season Mr. Gauthier might have made a big move to shore up the defence, go after a blue-chip defenceman with size by offering a package that included budding superstar P.K. Subban, but after a third of a season we would now be offering potential flash-in-the-pan has-good-to-excellent-skills-but-may-not-have-the mental-makeup P.K. Subban.

      I thought that this year he needed to keep progressing, work on his defence and polish his excellent offensive skills, and tone down his antics, thus penciling himself into the Team Canada roster for Sochi. This eventuality is now a very longshot. Think of the guys ahead of him: Weber, Burns, Doughty, Keith and Seabrook, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Tyler Myers, Letang, Big Buff, Dan Boyle…. He needs to seriously improve his game to even get invited to the camp.

      Last week there were discussions on this forum about trading for Shea Weber using P.K. as a chip. There were howls from the dissenters, who state that he is an All-Star, and I couldn’t believe that they think a guy who could with a serious bout of growing up maybe be considered for such honours, is worth more than a guy who is already playing at that level, and has done so for years, a guy who can play offence and defence and is the biggest baddest mother on the ice.

      Not hating, just seeing the road ahead for P.K., it’s not going to be ribbon-smooth.

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      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  52. Un Canadien errant says:

    Reposted from an earlier thread, because we wouldn’t want to miss an opportunity to curbstomp Mike Milbury when he’s down.

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    The hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of Mike Milbury is astounding. He is currently accused of misdemeanor assault for shaking a 12 year old boy, an opponent of his own son who were playing hockey and participating in a sort of skills competition.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57345097-504083/ex-boston-bruin-mike-milbury-accused-of-assaulting-12-year-old/

    Mr. Milbury denies any wrongdoing, and claims that he was merely protecting his son from repeated attacks and bullying from the alleged victim. The following quotes are from the article linked below:

    “I want to be clear about a couple of things,’’ said Milbury. “No one was punched, kicked, or assaulted in any way. I know the ‘Mad Mike’ image that I have and all that. I love the game, I’m passionate about it, but I don’t smack kids around. I grabbed the other kid by the sweater to stop a fight and, yeah, I swore at him. That’s it. That’s what I did.

    “And … this was also after watching my kid get verbally bullied by the other player for over two hours. It was the third time that night that Jake and the kid got into it, and that was the last straw for Jake. I mean, what kid can take that?”

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-18/sports/30532027_1_claims-son-youth-hockey-bruins-defenseman

    Mr. Milbury is a master of twisting facts to fit his distorted logic. As a former coach, he should know what every hockey parent knows, every parent of any child who participates in team sports should know: you never step on the ice, or on the field of play. Of course, keeping in mind his charge into the stands at Madison Square Garden decades ago, it can be argued that Mr. Milbury has a poor sense of boundaries, whether geographic or behavioural.

    He should also know what any reasonable person does, and what every teacher or coach definitely does, which is that it is never allowable to lay hands on a child for disciplinary reasons.

    More broadly, the ludicrously paradoxical relationship between his explanation and his conduct as a player and broadcaster is enough to give one whiplash. He felt a need to protect his son from a prolonged harangue and physical provocation from an opponent on the ice, yet Mr. Milbury’s entire playing career was one of verbal and physical intimidation. Apparently being slashed and mugged and taunted and threatened was acceptable for Pierre Mondou and Mats Naslund, but not for his son.

    Some will argue that adults who play pro sports should expect this kind of treatment, but Mr. Milbury contributes to this climate of fear and intimidation and violence with his work as a hockey analyst. He constantly lionizes ‘tough guys’ and physical play, and intimidation as a tactic. For example, when Ryan Miller was bowled over by Milan Lucic earlier this season, he didn’t see this as an outrage and an assault on a talented player that should be dealt with harshly by the League. Instead, he focused on the Sabres’ lack of retaliation as the target of his opprobrium. They were soft and unresponsive and were therefore partially to blame for their own misery. They should have ‘taken care of it on the ice’, he thundered, not rely on Brendan Shanahan and supplemental discipline.

    When Brad Marchand repeatedly punched Daniel Sedin in the head during last year’s Stanley Cup finals, he explained that the playoffs were not for the faint of heart, and that winning by any means necessary was the order of the day. The Canucks were ‘soft’ and lacked grit and the intimidation tactics by the Bruins proved “they wanted it more.” Mr. Sedin should have reacted, instead of waiting for the referee to call a half-dozen well-deserved penalties and toss Mr. Marchand from the game. Mr. Sedin had allowed himself to be bullied. He was the enabler, not a victim.

    Mr. Milbury has been poisoning the well of hockey for decades now. He can’t be all that surprised when this environmental thuggery splatters his son. He should be ashamed for his actions of December 9, and ashamed for his work as a commentator, for preaching that it’s okay for bigger players to bully smaller players.

    He cannot have it both ways. He should plead guilty, and if he doesn’t he should resign from his commentator jobs and apologize to the sport that has supported and tolerated him all these years.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • brandonhab19 says:

      “Mr. Milbury’s entire playing career was one of verbal and physical intimidation. Apparently being slashed and mugged and taunted and threatened was acceptable for Pierre Mondou and Mats Naslund, but not for his son.”

      There is a difference between 12 year olds playing youth hockey and playing the the NHL. You expect to get hit, and chirped and get played against rough. Especially by a grinding player like he was it’s the nature of the game. But 12 year olds playing youth hockey cant even be compared to that.

      “When Brad Marchand repeatedly punched Daniel Sedin in the head during last year’s Stanley Cup finals, he explained that the playoffs were not for the faint of heart, and that winning by any means necessary was the order of the day. The Canucks were ‘soft’ and lacked grit and the intimidation tactics by the Bruins proved “they wanted it more.” Mr. Sedin should have reacted, instead of waiting for the referee to call a half-dozen well-deserved penalties and toss Mr. Marchand from the game. Mr. Sedin had allowed himself to be bullied. He was the enabler, not a victim.”

      This whole thing is the reason the nucks lost to the Bruins. They couldn’t play a tough game. They were scared intimidation as a tactic worked. Between this and your signature I don’t think your very suited to be a hockey fan no offense. But the blind hate of things that don’t mesh for Milbury and just not overall liking the game as it is just in my opinion discredits your whole post

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Hmmm, not crazy about your post either, since I dealt with your first point in my post but you blithely disregarded it.

        I wrote:

        “Some will argue that adults who play pro sports should expect this kind of treatment, but Mr. Milbury contributes to this climate of fear and intimidation and violence with his work as a hockey analyst.”

        and

        “Mr. Milbury has been poisoning the well of hockey for decades now. He can’t be all that surprised when this environmental thuggery splatters his son. He should be ashamed for his actions of December 9, and ashamed for his work as a commentator, for preaching that it’s okay for bigger players to bully smaller players.”

        I’m not saying fighting and bullying in minor hockey is okay, I’m saying the NHL, and its more troglodytic shills are responsible for kids thinking this is only mildly reprehensible behaviour, defensible if someone is in your face and fronts you, or if you want to win real bad. His feeling that he needed to protect his own son from goon tactics invalidates his entire body of work as an analyst.

        As far as the intimidation tactics scaring the Canucks, and being responsible for their loss, I disagree there as well. Tim Thomas being much better and more consistent than Roberto Luongo was the overwhelming main reason for the Bruins’ win. If the refereeing in the NHL was somewhat as consistent during the playoffs, like the way NFL referees call plays in the playoffs, that is, the same as the regular season, we wouldn’t be talking about the Bruins being fiery competitors, we’d be talking about the magical skill of the Sedins.

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        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • brandonhab19 says:

          I’ll agree they are magical. They can really disappear in the playoffs when it starts getting physical as they proved.

          But yes i’ll agree Thomas did outplay Luongo.

          but your ref comment is ridiculous refs arent perfect or consistant in any sport. You hear all the time about them making mistakes why do you think the NFL inserted the rule this year that all touch downs have to be video okayed before play can continue?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            **Edited for typos**

            I agree NFL referees are not perfect, but they’re much better than NHL refs, in terms of being consistent and calling penalties wherever whenever. Their video replay system is admittedly better than the NHL’s too, I applaud that.

            We’re not that far apart. I think one of the reasons the Sedin brothers ‘disappear’ is that the other team and the refs won’t ‘let them play’. I hear Don Cherry harrumph that all the time, that the refs should let them play. Invariably, that means muggers and checkers are allowed to ‘play’ (hook, slash, trip, elbow…) at the expense of the stars and the show. I think Let Them Play should mean let the Sedins and Patrick Kane and Tyler Seguin play.

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            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Malreg says:

      Before replying, I will note that I despise Milbury.

      Now, did you read the rest of the article? Milbury was on the ice because they were doing a shootout, there were no referee’s on the ice, the coaches went on the ice to act as goal judges.

      With no one else on the ice, who was supposed to stop the fight? Were they supposed to just let the kids go at it and wait until it ended? Obviously the coaches had to intervene, and he didn’t “lay hands on a child for discplinary reasons”, as you put it. Here’s where it gets shady, since we don’t know exactly HOW he intervened, so it’s impossible to know what really did happen.

      Did he grab the kid and pull him away from his son, while another coach grabbed his son and pulled him away? If that’s all, then I don’t see where the problem is.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Malreg, I as well have to ask whether you read the article. Mr. Milbury cops to shaking the opponent and swearing at him, “that’s all”. In his own defence, he’s admitting to quite a bit, when you consider that he’s trying to pitch it to make himself look good, and that we tend to have a little bit of self-bias when telling stories.

        I had considered that he may have been just trying to separate combatants, which would not have been laying hands on a kid for disciplinary purposes. It seems that he was trying to ‘shake some sense into the kid’, which is really, really iffy.

        Another point which bodes ill for him is that the District Attorney chose to lay charges. This isn’t a civil matter where anyone can pursue a frivolous claim. There has to be enough meat on this case that the DA thinks this will fly past the grand jury. I’ll state here that I’m not an expert on the justice system in their local jurisdiction, I’m just working on generalities.

        Ultimately, whether he goes to trial or is even convicted, the telling part for me is that he thinks his son shouldn’t have to put up with bullying and intimidation, whereas in his work he’s the biggest advocate of these tactics. It’s repugnant to me that he has no empathy for anyone else except his own.

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        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  53. HABZ24 says:

    new coach same results

  54. Un Canadien errant says:

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, or so it seems after another loss by the Canadiens. Unfortunately, they seem to be losing the habit of playing up to the strong teams’ level, sliding just under the bar again tonight, at least on the scoreboard that is.

    Randy Cunneyworth has the responsibility to shake things up and wring more out of the lineup than Jacques Martin could, but that’s difficult without fresh horses. His changes tonight, the lineup he iced and his use of it are no more reasonable or evidently beneficial and no less questionable than Mr. Martin’s. He committed the sin of relegating Alexei Emelin to the pressbox in favour of Chris Campoli. Yannick Weber and his slapshot were also left out.

    Mr. Weber being left out did mean that the Canadiens had a big fourth line, something which fans have been clamouring for, with Petteri Nokelainen between Mathieu Darche and Mike Blunden. They were effective and played with heart and determination, creating a few scoring chances, notably a shot off a goalpost by Mr. Nokelainen. This is where the controversies begin though, especially in a loss. While trailing by one goal, shouldn’t the top 2 lines have been in heavy rotation to try to equalize matters? I’d like to see Mr. Cunneyworth justify this decision, especially in Français Radio-Canada International.

    P.K. Subban looked weak, seemingly affected by a virus and almost being scratched from the lineup. He went through the pre-game drills and it was decided to play him, but maybe we shouldn’t have bothered, especially with two healthy defencemen available. He looked weak for other reasons. P.K. committed a doozy of a blunder, a soft frilly what-were-you-thinking, didn’t-we-go-over-this-?, wasn’t-it-the-same-kind-of-horsebleep-that-almost-cost-us-the-game-against-the-Islanders-? pass that was pounced on by Andrew Ference and was behind Carey Price faster than you could say ‘glove malfunction’. I’m tempted to excuse Mr. Subban for his transgressions tonight due to his enfeebled state, but I’m also tempted to stick him in the press gallery for a couple of games for the entirety of his oeuvre lately.

    The Bruins were again, like the last game, on their best behaviour. Claude Julien has probably given his boys strict marching orders to not lose their heads while trying to decapitate Canadiens. With the popgun powerplay the Glorieux ice though, we may wonder why Mr. Julien would bother. Maybe it was the suspension meted out to Milan Lucic, the Bruins were chastened and have seen the error of their ways. Yeah, that’s it, that’s the ticket….

    Benoit Pouliot is rounding into form, he scored tonight on a nice goal, in that he was in position to accept a great feed from Rich Peverley. Mr. Pouliot has been appearing on the scoresheet with some regularity lately, after an appalling start to his season. While I normally wish homeboys and former Canadiens well, in this case I want nothing good to ever happen to that traitorous treasonous turncoat. He can’t go back into his deep hibernation soon enough.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  55. arcosenate says:

    Niners won tonight, beat the Steelers’ beat Ben big time. picks, no running game no answers from pittsburgh. a plan, good draft picks, a will to win. where the hell are we?

  56. Frank2468 says:

    I’ve come to the point that I watch Canadians Express on RDS rather then the full game so this way I don’t fell like I wasted my entire night watching a load of cr** on the ice and get all upset over another loss

    • Timo says:

      I watched PVR’d version. Usually doesn’t take more than 30 minutes. Once the opposition takes a lead might as well delete the game – what’s the point, not like they’d come back and win.

  57. Malreg says:

    You know you’re reaching when you have to go back 45 seconds into a play, and past a stoppage of play, to blame a goal on Subban.

    The first goal was all Nokia and Gorges fault. Anybody who’s ever played center in any sort of competitive hockey knows that you never allow the opposing center to get by you on a draw.

    Pouliot was Gorges’ man off the face-off, so no idea how he was so open.

    Obviously PK’s at fault for the 2nd goal.

  58. Laramy87 says:

    Yes Blame Subban for the centers inability to win (or at least tie up) bostons center on Bruins first goal. That is one of the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Maybe he iced the puck ya, but Nokia is still at fault for not even tying up Peverly.

    This is the EXACT same thing that ppl on this site said about Carey Price a few years back, and would you want him or Halak now. Its the damn media that is going to make PK want to leave town and then he will be the perennial all-star we all know he is going to be.

    I was extremely impressed with our fourth line, they were awesome tonight. Ellers line was off tonight, but its one night. Over the past two games I am liking what I am seeing. Ya results are not much different, but they will come. And yes i still have faith this team can make the playoffs. And hey if we dont Gauthier will be gone.

  59. Kristopher7 says:

    The language thing is getting OLD. Even francophones in my extended family, friends and co-workers don’t give a shit if the coach is anglo, as long as he gets the team to win.

    Sourpusses.

    • Frank2468 says:

      Kristopher it doesn’t seem to be the average fan either French or English that cares if the coach speaks French it’s the French media making all the noise. I’m half French Canadian and my relatives couldn’t care less if the coach spoke French or not, as long as the team wins. But since we had a French coach and still a French GM and assistant coach’s that speak French as well and the trainers, well guess that means they can all say Taber**c in unison. Hope that makes the French media happy?

      • Kristopher7 says:

        That’s what I meant, the media just spam in 24/7, the real people don’t give a shit. So why doesn’t the media get off it? Just cause they have nothing else to say? It’s annoying and sad.

        • Frank2468 says:

          Kris it’s political and it’s the French people that are in power in hi positions. The referendum was like just 16 years ago and it was very very close. I think they feel that if the Habs hire English only speaking people this could be the beginning of the end of the distinct society.

  60. Say Ash says:

    Here’s the rest of Carey Price’s interview: “What are we talkin’ bout? Playoffs? We talkin’ bout playoffs, man. We talk…We talkin’ bout playoffs. We talkin’ bout playoffs. We ain’t talkin’ bout the game, we talkin’ bout playoffs, man. When you come into the arena, and you see me play, you see me play, don’t you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin’ bout playoffs right now. We talkin’ bout playoffs. Man look, I hear you, it’s funny to me, too. I mean, it’s strange, it’s strange to me too. But we talkin’ bout playoffs, man. We not even talkin’ bout the game, the actual game, when it matters. We talkin’ bout playoffs.”

  61. durocher says:

    Is the problem really a young, inexperienced D? Hal Gill has the worst +/- of any D on the team at -7.

  62. JF says:

    If Subban had the flu, he should not have been playing. Emelin or even Weber would have been better choices.

    But it might not have made any difference. Every game, defensive mistakes cost us goals. It’s been the team’s problem all season and the main difference between this year and last year. JM’s system was designed to ensure that the games would be low scoring. With strong defensive play, top-notch goaltending, and opportunistic goals, we were able to win more of those than we lost. This year, the reverse is the case. Our inexperienced defence suffers critical breakdowns every game, our even-strength scoring might be a bit up from last year but our powerplay is well down, and I don’t think goaltending is quite at the level it was last year. Price is keeping us in the games, but he’s not stealing any.

    I don’t see how Cunneyworth can fix this mess, but I never thought a coaching change would solve anything. The only way the defence will improve is to acquire more experience, which probably means we have a lot more losses ahead. If there’s any comfort to be had, it lies in the fact that the farther we fall, the less likely it becomes that Gauthier will trade our first-round draft pick or top prospect in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs – which has been my greatest fear this season. Suck it up, people – it’s going to be a long, painful season.

  63. Michael says:

    Boone, I’m not saying Cunneyworth will save this team, but he’s hardly had a lot of time to install a new system. I know you’re trying to be fair to Martin, but in the process, have you considered how unfair you’re being to Cunneyworth?

    “Nearly every one of you is bafflingly insane.” – Me, to you guys. xo

    • Mike Boone says:

      No, I’m being fair to Cunneyworth. But unlike Ken Hitchcock – who went into St. Louis, threw the playbook in a dumpster and said “My way or the highway” – Cunneyworth is a more animated, play-friendly, touchy-feely Jacques Martin. He was hired to develop players for JM’s system in Hamilton. Then he was promoted to Montreal to help JM run the system. So what is he going to change here? What can he change, other than demanding more from players? I don’t think sub-part effort is the team’s problem.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

  64. durocher says:

    The fact that Emelin was scratched tells me Cunneyworth doesn’t know what he’s doing either. He benched Weber and played Blunden, which is encouraging, but sitting our most physical player on an otherwise soft team against a physical rival is irrational.

    It’s too early to be in sell mode, which is too bad, at least we’d be able to shed some vets for picks and prospects. We’d then have something to look forward to.

    • Rad says:

      I agree with you. Not playing Emelin tonight is Cunneyworth’s first mistake, and not at all encouraging. I would like to give the new Coach some time to succeed, but his sitting out Emelin in favor of an ailing Subban against a physical team now raises red flags about his hockey smarts. He’s been around the team long enough to know what Emelin brings.

  65. smiler2729 says:

    I was at work, didn’t watch the game…

    Less stress that way.

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    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah chunks

  66. HabsfanoftheHabs says:

    I’ve said it before, PK needs to sit a few games. I was almost relieved to hear that he had the flu. Kids got talent, but he would benefit greatly with fewer minutes and a game off once in a while. Surely he gets one vs Chicago?

  67. mamacat says:

    professional sports is all about winning.
    boring. I’ma gunna do something other.

  68. doogie says:

    What about Dale Tallon as GM. Pry him out of Florida for a real blowup! He’s a QC boy

  69. JasonM says:

    Boone, you forgot to mention Subban was playing with the flu while a healthy Emelin ate hot dogs upstairs.

    • HabCez says:

      Yes.. Cunneyworth or brass decided to bench Emelin.. who played very well against the B’s in our last meeting..
      Hate to say it.. but is JM really gone? Is he taking advice from JM?
      Or is it PG?
      Campoli was a liability last game.. yet he played..
      Subban has the flu.. sorry but unless the playoff, i wouldnt even let him stake with the team..

      and against Boston.. of all teams.. (well they are a physical team and they went after him)
      like brass don’t learn their lesson.. Sub doesnt make the best decisions when pressed and tired..

      the most physical player on the D was JGorges( and he has been in the penalty box way too many times for my liking this year) and truthfully he isnt cut out for it..

      well hoping for the best.. in this long road trip..

      the best advice for some of the players..(especially plec)

      “You must unlearn what you have learned.” -Yoda-

      Cause it aint workin!!!

      “Emelin’s the real deal.”
      - HabCez

  70. Propwash says:

    Or one can look at the situation as this.
    Your head coach through I believe is about 3-4 years behind the bench, suddenly blown out the water due to pressure to perform which hasn’t happened as of yet. I can’t say I know enough about the nitty gritty, ins and outs of hockey, but I can say this.
    The guys employed by this team have not produced the numbers, on paper, the numbers they should be producing. That being said, to me, it’s a combination of player, vs coach, vs other team’s gameplan.
    It’s up to Randy to get the squad into the gameplan, better sooner than later before it blows up in his face.
    The thing is, it’s not RC’s fault to begin with, he uses the tools that are provided to him.
    Like I said before, I will support the Habs through thick and thin, because I’m not a fairweather fan, and I can point out many here who are, which sucks, because I’d rather be on the same page as the next Joe who has a comment on the team.

    That being said, no hard feelings on anyone here, and GO HABS GO!

    _____________________________
    Being negative has its advantages,
    you’re never disappointed.

    • The Dude says:

      So Propwash, in effect what your saying is that your the best Habs fan you know and if the Habs had no points and everyone was pissed ,you would call them all fair weathered fans…..well I’d rather you think of me as fair-weathered than for me to think of myself as a delusional and clueless Hab fan who is sheep-like and emotionally unconnected to the principals of competitive sport! The Montreal Canadiens are the most prized team in pro hockey and you know how they got there and got they’re worldwide fame and reputation….FROM WINNING!!! Wake-up Man and stop berating others……………..

  71. Al aboo says:

    Holy shit, enough with the drama, is there anyone on this site who doesn’t like watching the HABS lose?

  72. BKAK72 says:

    What is the point of player analysis when the real fault is loaded contracts to underachievers?

    Gomez, Cammalleri, Plekanec and Gionta combined make up $23 million! Once you take into account Markov it’s actually $28 million+ (of a lot of not much).

    That mon amis is the epitome of mismanagement.

    – HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –

    • Wops says:

      Subban is paid 825,000$ this year and he’s the scapegoat on this site. People ask him to play like a veteran in his second season.

      The chance of him getting driven out of town and flourish elsewhere is increasing by the day.

      22 years old. Youngest player of the team (minus Leblanc who’ll be out soon)

      • BKAK72 says:

        My point exactly.

        This team is terrible on defense. Honestly who is a ‘top 4′…? Once you look past Markov this part of the roster is either under development (like Subban), weak and/or over-rated.

        – HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –

      • sheds88 says:

        yes he’s young and yes he’s talented but the kid is a total liability on the ice. I don’t know if he needs to sit a couple games, or needs and serious sit down, or more video to point out his mistakes. Trading him is not the answer, but damn this kid makes multiple mistakes every single game. Some costing goals/points for this team. it’s not just him, the whole team needs to shape but geez…….never seen someone make so many errors night and night out !

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        i don’t know why they keep comparing Carey Price to God………i mean he’s good, but he’s no Carey Price.

  73. roady says:

    another loss….another Monday night…big deal…it’s the norm these days with the Habs

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  74. roady says:

    another loss …another Monday…

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  75. Un Canadien errant says:

    Oops!… I kind of forgot about that, maybe I was focusing on his Prince George years. I should have known that, I’ve read his Wikipedia entry a couple times and heard lots about him when he was terrorizing the Canucks with the Blackhawks.

    Since that’s your only comment, I assume you completely agree with everything else I’ve ever said on here. Ever.

    With that in mind, we now see that P.K. should cruuuuuuise into the Team Canada lineup.

    On my list, maybe I should include Mike Green as a dark horse? Cam Fowler? Erik Gudbranson? Darren Dietz? Frédéric St-Denis?

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  76. The Cat says:

    Overevaluating hab players the way hab fans do really really bugs me. Its always about anointing certain darlings who havent proved anything in big games and they can do no wrong. Like Markov and Price, who after every game we get to routinely hear such gems as ‘if it werent for Price itd have been 6-2 instead of 3-2′ etc. I havent seen Price come close to stealing a game this year and thats what number 1 goalies do from time to time. Hes been average, nothing more. Or just the other day here some thought Gill would fetch a 1st round pick ffs.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  77. Bertuzzi says:

    Price makes his best saves when his team is trailing. He cannot hold onto a lead.

  78. RGM says:

    He got 11 minutes. If the coach doesn’t put him on the ice it’s hard for him to “show up” and make his presence felt. He laid a couple good licks early in the first period, and that’s all he got to do.

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  79. V says:

    Yes. Fire them both. Get them the hell out of here. Because God help you if you have a bad game. Or bad shift.

  80. Mattyleg says:

    He’s a bum.
    Let’s get rid of him.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  81. G-Man says:

    By speaking to the media, the coach is speaking, albeit indirectly, to the fans. If fans pretty much everywhere can have a coach that can speak their language, why can’t the majority of Hab fans? And, BTW, the soccer coach comparison won’t fly.

  82. Mattyleg says:

    No, it’s not just about the media, it’s about communicating with the fans DIRECTLY through the media.

    And I don’t think a French coach would be good. France is not a strong hockey nation.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  83. Mattyleg says:

    No it’s not.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  84. Mattyleg says:

    Has everyone conveniently forgot how the Anglophones ran Montreal and treated French Canadians as second-class citizens, and that being an Anglo coach of a French-Canadian team was just another reflection of that classism?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  85. habfan53 says:

    One since Al McNeil (Bob Berry)

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  86. Mattyleg says:

    It’s only a pointless debate because you refuse to see beyond concepts of ‘winning’, and look at deeper significances.

    If it’s lost on you, that’s fine, because it’s a bit of a complicated topic. Keep things simple. Thinking about sports being ‘just about winning’ is pretty simple, so I guess you’re best off sticking to that!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  87. pottymonster says:

    @Mattyleg: Why do we play the game? We play to win the game. We don’t play to just play it, we play to win. If you aren’t winning, you’re losing. In professional sports, it you’re losing then you aren’t playing right. If you think professional sports is about anything else, then you clearly don’t understand professional sports.

  88. Chris says:

    Why won’t the soccer comparison fly, out of curiousity? Because it does not fit the point you are trying to make?

    By all means, the majority of Habs fans can have a coach that speaks, albeit indirectly, to the fans (I find this argument puzzling, but will let it slide). But then we should expect that we may not get the best possible candidate and deal with the consequences.

  89. Natrous says:

    I guess the media is unable to translate English into French these days… the Punjabi fans in Toronto must be PISSED!

  90. B says:

    Many folks here are not old enough to remember French Canadians being treated as second class citizens, perhaps that is why many may find it hard to understand how that is supposed to make it alright to treat non French Canadians as second class citizens?

  91. bleedhabs81 says:

    I think the media was trying to put a positive spin on the loss.

    Basically saying the team played hard against the stanely cup champs and winners of the last 19 out of 22. They stood in there, had some shots, had some hits, came within a goal.

    I think they understand the game… more than you understand the business of journalism, it would appear anyway.

  92. Lafrich says:

    Why are you here?

  93. Malreg says:

    The wingers job is to attack the point off a faceoff in your own zone.

    PK sets up on the left-side of Nokia because he is a right-handed shot, so if Nokia wins the draw PK can skate in and carry the puck behind the net, picking up the pick with speed. These are coaching decisions and set plays, not something decided by the players.

  94. sillywalk says:

    Weird, I manage to read the same quote in 2 different languages every day. Obviously, some reporter somewhere managed to do THEIR job of making the quote presentable to those who would read it. What part of that job is the coach’s again?


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