About last night … with audio

Montreal Canadiens v Vancouver Canucks

The Least in the East beat one of the Best in the West.
What did it prove?
For now, nothing.
For next season – and for the remaining years on Andrei Markov’s contract … well, ya never know.

AUDIO: Andrei Markov | Carey Price | P.K. Subban | Randy Cunneyworth | Blake Geoffrion

I harboured a few concerns heading into the game.

Given Markov’s injury history, was it really wise to bring him back against a lineup that includes Alexandre Burrows, Max Lapierre?

Markov played 17:09.

Misplaying Ryan Kesler on the Canucks’ goal, Markov was in danger of finishing minus-1 until he was on the ice for the Erik Cole goal that put the game out of reach.

Do you believe that for as well as he’s played, that was Cole’s first two-goal game as a Canadien?

(I’m too lazy to check, but I bet there were a few when he was in Carolina.)

Back to Markov: Everything we could have hoped for. Sure a hat trick, eight hits and a winning fight would have been great, but hey –  Canadiens hockey is not a Pixar animation film.

And if it were, what role would P.K. Subban play?

The lead.

Man, he has been great on the western swing.

My pressbox neighbour at Rogers Arena was Marc Antoine Godin. I asked him how his colleague, François Gagnon – whom I respect as much as anyone on the hockey beat in Montreal – could even think of trading P.K., let alone advocate it in his column.

“But if you could get Eric Staal in return,” Godin said.

Know what?

Not even.

I know, I know: the Canadiens have spent 20 years or whatever looking for a big centre.

But where would you place Staal among the NHL’s elite forwards compared to P.K.’s stature?

And in a league increasingly dominated by young players – how about that Claude Giroux shootout goal in Toronto? – who has the greater upside, Staal or P.K.?

There’s you Sunday debate material.

I need sleep on my last night inVan.

996 Comments

  1. jeu_de_puissance says:

    Best 3rd period all season was last night in Vancouver. Playing loose and playing smart. Having Markov on the ice helped the puck moving capabilities of our D-Men. Even Campoli looked better back there, but that could be because the small Canuck forwards were neutralized. Icing a tougher team since the trade deadline will serve us much better next year. This won’t be the same smurf team that got pushed around.

    Can\’t F#*k with history!!!

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Amazing what getting Staubitz has done to the Habs. Way less people taking runs at PK or Emelin (is he hurt as it seems he has not been hitting as much lately) and the other smaller players. Also some of our smaller players are throwing their weight around as there were Canucks all over the ice There has also been a dramatic change in the way White plays since the Staubitz pick up. He now plays on the PK his minutes are up and is proving to be a very good 4th liner who can mix it up (but also knows he’s a mid weight) but can check with the best of them. Lets hope the sign Staubitz fopr next year.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • boing007 says:

      Hughson and Simpson noted that Montreal was playing loose last night. Maybe if RC had let the team play that way for the past month or so they would be in better shape. I think he panicked and became too serious. Too much tension is no good for team chemistry.

      Richard R

  2. Mavid says:

    there was talk last night about Viggo dedicating his Gini to the Habs..here is the link..very cool…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c36R9Z9D7I&feature=player_embedded

  3. Hobie Hansen says:

    Pretty cool to see Markov on the ice last night. When his knee swelled up and he had to get it cleaned out again I thought he was done for the year and maybe permanently. Sucks he didn’t make it back during the All-Star break or maybe we could have made a playoff push?

    Next year should be interesting. Subban goes ecstatic anytime Markov’s name is brought up and loves playing on the PP with him. With those two together on the PP next year you have to believe they Habs will regain their form.

    If Markov started the season healthy Jacques Martin would probably still be coaching and we’d be getting ready for the playoffs right about now.

    • Mike D says:

      It was interesting seeing Marky playing on the right side last night on the PP. Given the goal they scored he didn’t look out of place there, but it takes away that back-door option Markov is known for and so good at.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  4. P-Habby says:

    What would be interesting to me would be if Patrick Roy has a role with the team next year as coach or GM, to see if they pick Grigorenko if they get the chance. If his QMJHL coach would pass on him it would speak volumes. I’m scared about Galchenyuk’s knee after all the Markov drama. Radek Faska is looking better and better…

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Malkin had a complete ACL/MCL re-construction and I would say he is back to form. Josh Gorges as well, ACL only. Every one is different I would say

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  5. otter649 says:

    Last night HNIC game (Habs/Canucks) refs let alot go but put a NHL game on The NBC main network the refs appear to call everything – The reffing is really turning into a joke this season & last IMHO……..

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Agree with you. Last night “Hudson Bay Rules” other games border line infractions called all night. Can’t figure it out.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • shootdapuck says:

      Kevin F’ing Pollack!

      The most useless of all the NHL officials!

      Strikes again last night.

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      “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
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  6. rhino514 says:

    Do they have enough money to sign a good D-man AND a top six winger? (Assuming of course Gomez is off the team)

    Cole-Desharnais-MaxPac
    ?-Pleks_Gionta
    Bourque-Eller-Leblanc
    Moen-White-Darche

    …or do they try and hang on throughout the season and pin their hopes on Gallagher (maybe knocking Bourque up to the second line)?

    Also, is it just me or is Kaberle completely obsolete at this point? He´s nice to have on the second PP unit….but at 4 mill just for that role??

  7. DorvalTony says:

    A great performance again by Captain Cole, PK, Pleky, Markov (terrific even at 80-90% and looking sore and skating gingerly), Campoli, MaxPac and magic from Geoffrion on the sad double anniversary (Boomer death and Morenz funeral). The Forum ghosts were with him.

    And Halak moved into 2nd in the NHL ahead of Lindquist. Sweet.
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  8. third generation haber says:

    Question

    If Columbus offered us their first round pick for 2013 in exchange for our 1st pick in 2012 would you do it????

    McKinnon already looks like he will be better than anyone in this draft.

    j.p. murray

    • ont fan says:

      And why would they do that.

      • third generation haber says:

        If they drafted twice in the top 5 this year, both players may be in their line-up for opening night. It might speed-up their re-build. They’re obviously sick of losing as they threw huge money at UFA’s this year.

        But, just a hypothetical, i doubt they would consider it.

        j.p. murray

        • HardHabits says:

          What makes you think Columbus would tank again next season. That pick would be around 15th to 20th if not worse because Columbus would improve immediately. No McKinnon for the Habs at that point.

          Yes Columbus would do it. The Habs would be insane to though.

    • Mike D says:

      Funny, I was pondering that same scenario just yesterday. I even added a caveat: If we do that trade, do we do it before or after the draft lottery?

      Things to consider: If Columbus gets two players in this years top 5 they could be improved enough to make next year’s draft position not that favourable. Especially if they address some glaring needs like goaltending, coaching, or add a reliable Dman. Of course, they’re also perennial basement dwellers so there is that safety aspect to it.

      I think they would have to include more for us to make that trade, like throwing in their 2nd rounder this year, or a condition that if they don;t finish bottom 5 next year, we get X in return added to the pick.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • otter649 says:

      McKinnon already has some Lindros in him (refusing to go where he could/may of been drafted to) and forcing a trade…….

    • ABHabsfan says:

      That’s a really good question. I would say yes, do it, but CBJ would have to sweeten the pot for a future pick, like a 2nd.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I don’t think Columbus will end up like Edmonton getting the 1st overall pick twice in a row. They may not even get a top 5 pick next year. I wouldn’t gamble like that with the Hab’s highest pick since 2005 or, if it’s a top 3, even higher.

      If you gamble, gamble on a high end prospect this year. Not a future pick.

  9. slapshot777 says:

    Going to be interesting to see who Timmins will pick in the upcoming draft.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I’m hoping (dreaming) to pick Forsberg with our pick, making a package for a pick in the 8-12 spot ( Something like two 2nd’s and a 3rd or maybe Dietz/ Ellis and second) to pick Faksa/Galchenyuk, and if available when our 2nd comes around, grabbing Subban.

      • Mike D says:

        I’d like to grab Frk if he’s still available with our 2nd round pick this year. He might slip into the 1st round or be taken right at the beginning of the 2nd so that might not be possible.

        I actually don’t want the Habs to pick Malcolm. Given Carey’s young age, that could become a tumultuous situation between PK, Carey, and Malcolm down the road if Malcolm pans out.

        Grabbing Jordan Subban when he’s draft eligible though is something I have no problems with at all.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          That is true about a possible conflict. As long as we pick two forwards with our two earliest picks (wherever they may be) I’ll be happy.

          • Mike D says:

            Agreed. We need forward depth in the worst way. I do think we should draft a goalie or two, but save those picks for the late rounds and hope you end up with a Halak or Rinne sometime down the road. If it doesn’t happen or if they take a while to develop, so be it.

            The great thing about having Price and his being so young is that you’re set at starter, and back-up goalie is an easy position to fill. There’s always a few competent guys in the summer available for cheap who understand their role and don’t stir the pot. It would be nice to have a Schneider or Rask though in case Price gets hurt and misses significant time, plus you can get a good return in a trade if there’s a few teams that are in need of a quality starter.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

  10. otter649 says:

    Poulilott healthy scratch for todays game against Pens cause on short notice told the team no way can I play against Caps (no reason given to public) but Julien says no way plays against Pens today so Poulilot will likely be looking for new employment in the off season…..

  11. powdered toastmann says:

    .

  12. Bripro says:

    So on a day when I was looking forward to a fast-paced game, I ended up moving furniture during the day, hence I passed out 5 minutes into the game.
    Didn’t really see anything, then I read that the Habs played lights-out!
    That figures. I’m so used to watching their B game, that I didn’t figure the A game would really be back until they got home.
    I hope I say awake for their next adventure.

  13. third generation haber says:

    The 2 1/2 men line, became 2 2/3 2night!

    They scored 2 goals, looked dangerous all night, and would probably still be dangerous if Staubitz were to center them.

    My point is, Pleks should stay on that line. DD is a great passer and Bourque (a one-dimensional shooter) desperately needs to play with him.

    With Pleks skills and cap-hit, I’d rather see him on the top line. Let’s force someone else to kill all the penalties and block shots.

    j.p. murray

  14. Coach K says:

    Just my two cents but…
    That was a fun game to watch – with plenty of positives going forward!
    First, I was glad that young Geoffrion finally cashed in a scoring opportunity and made hockey history. Having the instinct to go hard to the net with your stick on the ice can only lead to good things and with that particular monkey off his back, we can only hope its a sign of things to come. Lets hope he starts to do that consistently.
    Bourque looked like the serviceable player we thought we’d get following the trade with Calgary and Staubitz helped to settle down the sh!t disturbers quite effectively I thought. Cole, Max and Pleks all brought their “A” game as usual and made a difference. Price got a win in his home province against a team that isn’t a gimmie and easily outplayed Bobby Lou – so good for him. Same goes for Josh Gorges. P.K. was very good (particularly without his normal extracurricular nonsense) as was Emelin. The good news is that they will now have the on-ice mentor in Markov that has been the missing component in their development.
    Speaking of the General, he demonstrated his calming influence with aplomb. His skating however, seemed questionable. While he showed his normal fluid stride, one couldn’t help but notice that the explosiveness/agility just wasn’t there. Hopefully that ‘s merely a function of rust/conditioning and him not quite trusting the repair or being up to game speed just yet. The fact that he set up Subban’s PP goal in his first game back was a bonus. I couldn’t help be be impressed with his laser-beam outlet passes and his decisive puck distribution on the power play. Nobody else on the D is that adept at reading a play while under pressure. Making the right play absolutely must be the first thing in your thought process not the last; and its that element of Markov’s game that has been missing on this team all season. Imagine the mentoring possibilities with Subban, Emelin and others like Tinordi who will be showing up in the near future. Stay the course with the kids and draft wisely for the next two seasons and this dismal season will be remembered as it should – as a speed bump on the road to a Stanley cup.

    “Shut up and play against him” – Bob Gainey (2011 Heritage Classic)

    • habstrinifan says:

      Whoa there coach!

    • HardHabits says:

      I too was impressed by his precision passing. The outlet to Pacioretty was outstanding.

      It’s one game. Much left still to prove on his contract.

      However if this is a sign of things to come, the pain and ignominy of this tanked season will be the Habs coming up roses after being mired in crap for so long.

  15. otter649 says:

    Pens beating Bruins 3-0 after 1 and later this week add Crosby – Things looking good for Pittsburg going into last 15 games of the season & playoffs……

  16. Trisomy 21 says:

    Boon I disagree with two things.
    1. Vancouver is probably the best team to start Markov against. Their forecheck, although strong, is not very physical. And I don’t often see the Marchand type hits coming from guys like Burrows and Lapierre. They are a nuisance but they don’t hit to hurt.
    2. Using the word respect and Francois Gagnon in the same sentence.

    • Bripro says:

      You don’t follow François Gagnon much, do you?

      • DorvalTony says:

        Amen, he’s brilliant and has none of the chip on the should of some sports journos.

        mcl-blog.blogspot.com

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          The same guy who purposely misquoted Cammalleri and replaced “a losing mentality” with “losers”? Yeah you’re right all class

          • Bripro says:

            That too was mis-quoted / mis-interpreted.
            That’s not what he said. And the man in very credible.
            I would support his comments over Cammy’s. Sorry.

          • HardHabits says:

            I always liked Cammy. He’s articulate and well-spoken. He also is a gifted scorer. But he is a one-dimensional player. How the trade ensued is questionable but Bourque, the 2nd and Holland is a steal and when you factor in the cap savings it’s a home run. I say this begrudgingly because I can’t stand PG. Gagnon’s part could not have happened had Cammy not shot from the hip. Gagnon simply reported. The nuances of being lost in translation are pointless to discuss.

            As for the PK incident. Gagnon is an opinionated man and a bit of a sensationalist at times. He wrote his article at a time when PK was under the microscope because of poor and undisciplined play. It was shit disturbing and hornets nest poking as they come. And it made for good press because to this day people are still referencing the article.

            Kudos to Francois Gagnon for inspiring the debate further. The bottom line is that PK has stepped up and proven his worth. Are the two acts related? I think so. Not that it was intentional on FG’s part. But that is the nature of having a news reporting apparatus and infrastructure in place, especially one as modern as what we use today.

            Francois Gagnon is very respected Canadian journalist. He is articulate and well spoken in two languages. He is neither a racist nor is he classless.

            I tend to see that not even as being the pot calling the kettle black but plain and simple projection. I think it could also be suggested that people calling FG racist are more than likely responding with an anti-French reflex themselves and thus are potentially racist and people saying FG was classless in his PK article are acting a bit crass in making that comment.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Trisomy, if you read the François Gagnon article, you’ll see that they’re not the work of a hack or sleazeball. He should have your respect actually, he’s a pro. I posted later on in this thread on this subject, or you can see my thoughts, along with a summary of the articles for those who can’t read French, by clicking on this link.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/2012/03/francois-gagnon-is-good-professional.html

      Bripro, DorvalTony, and HH, I agree with your take on the situation as well.

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  17. C-Sword says:

    Not too many Habs can skate and carry the puck like PK does. Trading him for Staal would be stupid.

    Btw, how will you guys react if Gauthier and Gomez are still with the team next season?

    • JayBee says:

      No reaction at all because nothing this organization does surprises me.

    • Drew42 says:

      As long as they keep Randy around for at least the first half of the season to see what he can do with the team, I’m not too concerned.

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    • JayBee says:

      Randy? Randy is so gone. I was pulling for him but he makes some really head scratching decisions. I also don’t like the stupid chip and chase system. In addition, the defensive coverage is worse now than it was with Martin. Would I be mad if Randy is retained? No. But I think the team needs a complete change from ass. coaches to head coach to the management team.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Care to make a wager?

      mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  18. NightRyder says:

    Was at the game last night, nice to see Hab Nation continues to be loud and proud out this way.

    A few observations:
    1. Almost got into a dustup with a fellow Habs “fan” who kept moaning that winning the game would hamper the chances of getting a high draft choice. Shut the bleep up, you barnyard freak. First off, anyone who cheers for his team to lose is a loser. You watch every game wanting your team to win, period. If they happen to lose and it brings you closer to a better pick, you may fantasize about said pick. But when the game is on, you are obligated to want your team to win or again, you are a loser. Same as cheering for Scott Gomez. I want him to score a hat trick every game he wears a CH on his sweater. After each game and between every game, I am allowed to want him shipped to Hamilton.
    2. I had forgotten just how good Markov is. Granted, a little slow keeping up with the play defensively (understandable at this point), but his outlet passing is so, so good. His offensive acumen alone is worth 10 points a year in the standings. Having other teams fear our power play again will also create more space.
    3. Speaking of creating more space, isn’t it amazing what a little muscle can do for a team? Staubitz can’t play a lick, but having guys like him and White in the lineup adds a different component we’ve been lacking. Watching PK slap around the Sedins without retribution was also good fun.
    4. Any talk of trading PK is inane. At his best, he’s a Norris Trophy candidate. You have to give a guy like that a chance to work through his immaturity/rambunctiousness. He has a chance to be a very special player.
    5. Put Carey Price on the Canucks and he’s got 45 wins. Anyone who sees fit to routinely bash him is a halfwit. Playing 60-70 games behind a struggling team means you’re going to have 10 games a year where you look like hell. Deal with it.
    6. Liked the hustle from Louis LeBlanc, hope he is presented with more opportunities.
    7. I was wrong about Eric Cole being overpaid at the beginning of the year. He is worth every penny.
    8. Plekanec looked remarkably uninterested out there. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and until Christmas next year to turn it around.
    9. Gomez is so weak on the puck. You can see the remarkable hands, but I honestly think his compete level is gone. You can see again that he knows what plays he has to make, the remnants of great hockey sense. But it’s like his body refuses to care. Pretending to bark at other players after the whistle is not competing or showing fire or leadership. Stick a fork in him. He needs to be replaced with a big, strong, snarly centre who’s good on faceoffs.
    10. If we can add another big, mean d-man, I could stomach keeping Kaberle. If not, he has to go, too. So, so soft.
    11. Playing free and easy when you have nothing to lose is no big deal. If Price wasn’t good early, it could have been a boat race. The team still needs a significant makeover moving forward. A new GM and coach first, then worry about the on-ice product.
    12. God, how I hate the Canucks and their bandwagon jumping fans. Without the hope of a playoff run, that was a treat for me.

  19. I can’t freakin’ believe it! They are auctioning one of the leather jackets “Bep” Guidolin wore behind the Bruins’ bench on ebay. I have been keeping my powder dry in the hope that Bob Berry’s wardrobe while skippering the Habs might one day become available, but this might be one item to go for! What do you guys think?

  20. Adidess says:

    And Thomas can’t stop a beach ball these days. Oh sweet, sweet karma!

  21. munch17 says:

    I’ll probably take some heat for this but here goes.
    Cole had two goals and MaxPac could have 2 or 3.
    What makes them go is them. Not DD.
    Michel Bergerongoes on and on to about how DD made them. It is the opposite.
    Pleks or Eller would perform well with them and have 50-60 points.
    I think playing with them has raised DD visibility. I’m happy for him. I like him.
    But he is not a number one center and would not have a role as # 2 or 3.
    Package him now at maximum value.
    I know there are a lot of DD fans out there.I do not think he should be considered as a key building block for the future.

    • JayBee says:

      This is what I have been saying. DD is a good player, but Cole and Max can play with anyone. They are the ones who carry the puck up ice and create scoring chances. DD will make the occasional nice pass, but to think he’s what makes that line go is nonsense.

    • naweed235 says:

      while I agree that most centers would do well with Max and Cole, I don’t agree with trading Desharnais. I truly think he is a special player. Not to sound like a delusional Habs fan but I think he has Martin St-Louis Potential if not more. The kid has excelled at EVERY SINGLE LEVEL despite how all the “experts” told him he can’t because of his size. It would be just plain dumb for the team to get rid of a player that has that low a cap hit and can produce and play the way he does.
      BTW he has more points than St-Louis had in the same amount of games played at the beginning of his career

  22. Adidess says:

    Pittsburgh all over Boston in 1st period (2-0), in the first 7 mns. Gosh, that penguins team is talented and physical.

    Sometimes, I wonder if I don’t revel more in seeing the Bruins lose than I am happy when the Habs win. Though this wouldn’t be the case if we win the Cup!

  23. ZepFan2 says:

    “I need sleep on my last night inVan.”

    Mike, is this Van down by the river? :razz:

    Boone?

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  24. mrhabby says:

    given injuries had a certain degree of effect on the team is this all Gauthiers fault. Will a house cleaning start as soon as the season ends. all the rosters changes that we talk about can only start when we know who is going to make them……. thoughts anyone.

    • JayBee says:

      Injuries are not an excuse. Gauthier said it himself.

      This is what happens to Habs fans. The team is not built properly. But all it takes is a guy returning from injury and a win or two and all of a sudden, all problems are blamed on injuries. I’ve been hearing the injury excuse for years now. “if we had Markov”…”if we had Koivu”…”if we had “. Don’t let a couple wins cloud your mind. This team needs to be rebuilt. It has several good pieces, but the D needs to be completely rebuilt, top 6 center depth needs to be addressed as well. The 3rd and 4th lines need to be revamped.

      Gauthier and Gainey need to go. Neither of them will ever hold anohter GM position.

      • Stev.R says:

        Injuries are not an excuse is what people say when it is an excuse, but not the only one. We are the second most injured team in the league. That has to count for something. A lot of the problems we saw on the ice were because players were playing a role that they normally wouldn’t be. Our D looked shotty at times because we had three rookies playing big minutes when at the beginning of the year we all expected them to get low minutes or be in the AHL. Our bottom 2 lines were weak because they were full of AHLers. Not to mention, to supplement the injuries, some of our top guys weren’t producing this year near what we expected.

        • JayBee says:

          Injuries were only a major issue due to a lack of depth. Look at Pittsburgh, Philly, Buffalo, etc. Habs are in the top 10 of man games lost every year. Who should be to blame for that?

          We are 3rd worst in the LEAGUE. You can blame injuries, bad luck, etc… The GM and coach are to blame for that. The coach was fired, so the GM should be next.

          All these excuses. Markov was injured. He was injured before the season started. Who is to blame for the lack of experience on D? Markov? Or the short sighted GM who built the defense?

          The bottom 2 lines were weak because again, they were not built properly. We have a reactionary GM and it shows in all of his moves. Halpern, Moore, Lapierre, all centermen that were on this team that were tossed aside (I have no reason why) when they were clearly needed. Cunney had to beg for some muscle (Staubitz). Gauthier has no idea how to put a team together and his lack of foresight and planning is why this team is at the bottom. This team completely healthy had serious holes.

  25. naweed235 says:

    Who lost their “A” last night in favor of Markov? I did’nt get to to watch the game… Did he look anything like his old self? I mean obviously I am not expecting him to look great on the 1st game back but did he look like he can atleast get back in there?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I believe it was Mr. Cole

      • habsfan0 says:

        Yes, I think it was Cole,as well. The reason he lost the “A” was because in terms of seniority with the Habs, Cole was low man on the totem pole, seeing that this is his first year with the Habs.

        Whether or not this way of determining who loses the “A” is justifiable, is open for debate, seeing how Cole has in all likelihood been the Habs’ MVP this season.

        • Stev.R says:

          Well, it’s Markov’s A in the first place. Isn’t it supposed to be:

          C – Gionta
          A – Markov
          A – Gill (Now Gorges)

          Anyone else that was wearing a letter has one temporarily.

      • HabFab says:

        Mr. Cole!

        Pierre, Pierre Gauthier? Is that you lurking there, you old dog????

  26. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I just got a little reflective, and noticed I contributed 15 (now 16 !!!) of this thread’s total posts (10 %+) …hmmm, like with chocolate chip cookies I go on binges :)

    …I infrequently am as active making pithy and maybe obvious comments, and I am normally amazed how many of You get the time to post as often as You do …well, now that I proved I can be as obsessive as Y’all, I have little to be condescending about anymore …am I right ???

    …it was fun …will give You all a break now, …off to My Boy’s soccer game

    …gonna bend every Canuck Fan parent’s ear I can find, and ‘rub it in’ …if Ya know what I mean :)

    …have a peaceful Sunday

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  27. ed lopaz says:

    I think the key to Habs success depends heavily (not exclusively, but heavily) on Carey Price.

    Most people here would agree.

    When Price plays like he did in the 1st period last night, we are a different team.

    Price was making a statement in that period.

    Like I used to see Roy make back in the day.

    “I will not allow my team to lose. Period.”

    So here is the question:

    How do we get Price to play like that for 70+ regular season games a year??

    Answer: we don’t.

    Instead we should have a second goalie who is given more games.

    Maybe it is Budaj.

    But I can not say for sure because Budaj almost never plays.

    It seems like “goaltending is not our problem”, and those who say that are right.

    Price is a good enough athlete and can play as a top 5 goalie.

    But we would be better off with Price playing like he did last night for 60-65 games a season, and some very solid play from a back up for 20 games a year.

    Price would be fresher, more focused, and likely way more consistent.

    Then, once we make the playoffs, Price would be in a better position to take the team on his shoulders and run with it.

    Every time Price has a break this season, he seems to come back strong immediately out of the break.

    This should be addressed for next season.

  28. Les Canayens says:

    The answer to your last question: none

    My question: what would you choose?
    1) What has Eric Staal done
    VS
    2) What PK could become

    I’d choose 2) even if PK may not turn out to be a top elite Dman, he’s already good enough to be a top 4. His potential to superstardom is obviously there, but even if he does not achieve it, he’s already worth the contract he’ll sign after his RFA. A good serviceable Dman for years to come.

  29. RetroMikey says:

    Yawn! The game was meaningless IMO.
    Vancouver is in the playoffs and we are out.
    Markov in lineup, who cares. One hit and it’s bye bye Andre.
    Trading PK for Staal? In a heartbeart! Staal knows how to win the big game and has a ring, PK does not.
    I just see PK moving onto greener pastures (no pun intended) when he becomes a UFA and not sticking with Montreal.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Cal says:

      Come back when the Habs lose, will ya?
      One hit, my ass.
      That’s the best Markov has skated in 2 years.

    • HabFab says:

      When we started here you were just opinionated, now you have worked your way into a troll. How the heck did that happen bro?

      • punkster says:

        So true Frank. A couple of years ago he’d have at least garnered a few agreements. These days he garners a few chuckles , no more.
        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Well to be fair, when this site started you had a boatload of people who knew something about hockey and actually, for the most part, liked each other. Hence, the annual Summit. Back then, I was merely Sheldon. It was the massive tumbling in intellect that allowed me to become “magnificent!”

    • Propwash says:

      Her hilarious.

      _____________________________
      Don’t let the wultures getcha.

    • Mark C says:

      Yawn! Meaningless post IMO.
      Can’t even spell Markov’s first name correctly.
      Unless speculation about PK sticking it to Montreal when he’s a UFA (is that 4 or 5 years from now?!?!)
      Eric Staal hasn’t won a big game since 2006.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      You have to be the dumbest poster here.

      Either that or you’re a top notch troll artist.

      ———————————————————————-
      “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      • HabinBurlington says:

        There are 2 others chasing him for that title, one I have grown weary of and the other I cannot support, well you know I don’t support him. :)

        • ZepFan2 says:

          I know exactly who you mean.

          There’s another who is apart from the others and believes he’s been right the past 3 years.

          ———————————————————————-
          “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

      • RetroMikey says:

        As they say, sticks, stones may break my bones, but insults or name calling will never hurt me.
        And you being a Led Zeppelin fan should know better. How the heck were you so optimistic before the season began to believe this team we assembled will make the playoffs? Oh I get it, you’re from Montreal and can;t handle the truth that there are Habs fans outside of Montreal who saw the cracks on our teams years ago that we were going to have trouble on our team for years to come.
        You cannot accept it and must be the dumb and dumber then.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • ZepFan2 says:

          “And you being a Led Zeppelin fan should know better.”

          Whatever that’s supposed to mean?!

          “You cannot accept it and must be the dumb and dumber then.”

          Ahh, the, “I know you are, but what am I” comeback.

          You win! :lol:

          ———————————————————————-
          “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

          • RetroMikey says:

            Ahhh, let’s play…. tag…you’re it! Catch me if you can.

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  30. adamkennelly says:

    I love Staubitz. He is not terrible, knows his role, plays his role and punches with a purpose. Sign him right F-ng now.

  31. --Habs-- says:

    Habs are a completely different team with Staubitz in the lineup. He skates well and doesn’t look like a goof out there and gives the remainder of the team some backup. Nobody’s looking over the shoulder anymore. White as his sidekick not having to fight everyone is giving us a good 1 – 2 punch. Loved to see White come in and clean the front of the net last night. Notice the Canucks back off the net crashing after that. Now it give some of the players a chance to play. When opposing players come out and take liberties they know Staubitz will be on the next shift with them and the Habs don’t have to worry about him making mistakes. Its Nice to see.

    • HabFab says:

      Noticed at games end, Weber was trying to move someone in front of the net but losing the muscle battle. Price stepped in and pushed the guy into Staubitz’s arms…take care of the trash please and thank you. Believe it was Burrows or Keisler.

  32. Propwash says:

    Suddenly, signing Markov wasn’t such a bad idea was it……

    To me, it’s obvious that when he was signed, Gauthier was under the impression he was going to be OK to go near the beginning of the season. It didn’t pan out, but nobody can really be blamed for that, maybe his doctors.
    He is one of the best players on the roster, and to give him and Gauthier grief for signing him is asinine.

    _____________________________
    Don’t let the wultures getcha.

    • HabFab says:

      They weren’t counting on having to go back in and clean out his knee. That added 3 months however that was the way our whole season went;
      - Gomez came in, had a good camp and then out with an injury.
      - Campoli out 1st game
      - PK came to camp with a back problem that seemed to bother him until Xmas
      - Gionta out for most of season
      - Cammy hurt
      - Spacek hurt
      - etc etc etc

      • Propwash says:

        Can’t blame anybody for all that happening, it’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

        _____________________________
        Don’t let the wultures getcha.

  33. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Montreal+Canadiens+roll+listless+Canucks+lopsided+affair/6284059/story.html
    Jason Botchford,The Vancouver Province: “They are always accountable. Even when humiliated. And getting beat down 4-1 in your own barn by the Montreal Canadiens is about as bad as it can get.

    It’s kind of like a grown man getting pummeled by Papa Smurf.”

    …oooo …THAT !!! hurts :)

    …Jason Me Boy !!! …I don’t think You will be callin’ Our Habs ‘smurfs’ much longer :)

    _________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Most arrogant team to never have won the cup.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Sad to say, there was an element of truth in that statement. Key word is “was”. The makeup of this team is in the process of being changed .

      This, however should not absolve Gauthier of the responsibility (as GM) for being in complete denial for approximately 1 year re the critical deficiencies concerning this team that were so obvious to many of us with comparatively much less hockey knowledge.

  34. otter649 says:

    I thought The Leafs were trading for Stall & not Montreal…..lol

  35. WestHab says:

    Question: How is your knee?
    Markov: Still there

    Love it prime example of less is more. Did anyone else catch MAX PAC on HNIC after hours? What a class act.

    “Merci beaucoup.” Randy Cunnyworth

    • DLHABSNUT65 says:

      Yes I did and for me it was the latest time in all of Canada and I agree and we need to sign him long term…He’s exactly what any team would love to have and while we’re at it we should clone him!! Haha

    • slamtherimtim says:

      dont see what was wrong with saying it felt great , that attitude is the problem , just answer the question you wuss

  36. JoaquindaPark says:

    I can’t believe what I am reading. Trade PK Subban?! Are you folks out of your minds? I hate to break to y’all but the Habs won Stanley Cups because of great goaltending and the Big Three on defense. Now we have Big Two. Stay the course.

    • DLHABSNUT65 says:

      Watching him last night…He maybe top 10 defense right now!!! Just imagine the possibilities!!!! Sign him up for years to come!! There’s a Norris or two in his future hopefully all with Montreal!!!! Pk, pk, pk, pk….!!!!

  37. aj says:

    Watching the game highlights again. I’m seeing that the one thing this team “MUST” do during the summer is sign the following players:

    Top Priority:

    Carey Price ( additional 4 – 5 more years with a possible $5 to $7+ million contract )
    PK Subban ( additional 3 – 4 more years, $3 to $4 million contract )
    Max Pacioretty ( additional 4 – 5 years for a possible $4.25 to $5 million contract )
    David Desharnais ( additional 3 – 4 years for $1 to $3 million contract )
    Lars Eller ( additional 2 – 3 years for $1.5 to $2+ million contract)

    Other top “must prioritize” signings are:

    Louis Leblanc ( possible more 2-3 years for a $1+ million contract )
    Michael Blunden ( also a possible 1year for a $1+ million contract )
    Blake Geoffrion ( also a possible 1year for a $1+ million contract )

    Alexei Emelin ( possible 2-3 years, a $1.5 million contract)
    Raphael Diaz ( possible 2-3 years, also a $1.5 million contract)

    Extra possible signings will include:

    Travis Moen ( additional 2 more years, $2 million contract )
    Mathieu Darche ( additional 1 year for $700,000 to $1 million contract )
    Ryan White ( additional 1 year for $700,000 to $1 million contract )

    Possible & Imminent trades may include the following:

    Possibles are –
    Travis Moen
    Mathieu Darche
    Ryan White

    Imminent are –
    Yannick Weber
    Chris Campoli

    Logical Buyout/s are:

    Scott Gomez ( $5 million for 2012-2013 season, a $1.6 million buyout )
    Tomas Kaberle ( $4.25 million for 2012-2013 season, a $1.4 million buyout )

    There is a projected $19 million in capspace for next season. Gomez is the ‘probably’ best solution to be next in line after Georges Laraque. If Kaberle can perform for the Habs and do better next season, he could possibly in the blueline corps like what happened to him in Boston (he really did not do much there during their cup run be that’s the risk the Habs will be taking anyway).

    Big point is this, the Montreal Canadiens will be one of the big spenders come post-season!

    • 24 Cups says:

      The Gomez buyout (cap wise) is as follows:
      ◦2012-13: $3,523,810
      ◦2013-14: $4,523,810
      ◦2014-15: $1,666,667
      ◦2015-16: $1,666,667
      As well, recallable waivers from Hamilton would put the team on the hook for 3.6M a season. Reality states that Gomez gets moved (for free) or goes to Hamilton on a Wade Redden permanent basis. This decision is crucial to the team moving forward and making a new five year plan.

      Kaberle? Right now, like it or not, we need him. First off, we need the Markov insurance. Secondly, the team will have to decide if it wants to keep Weber or Kaberle for next season. Weber is signed for 850,000 so he may have some trade value for a mid round pick. In 2014, Beaulieu can take Kaberle’s spot which means we can move his contract (final year) to a team that wants some depth or cap floor space.

      Tomas Kaberle buyout (cap wise) from CapGeek.com

      ◦2012-13: $1,458,333
      ◦2013-14: $1,208,333
      ◦2014-15: $1,458,333
      ◦2015-16: $1,458,333

      • aj says:

        If that’s the case, then Weber will be likely be or possibly be traded as well with Campoli. I know Kaberle is an insurance since Markov is an iffy player. The best possible scenario for the next 2 to 3 years of this team is Bealieu and Tinordi will likely take Kaberle and/or Markov’s blueline spots (if player developement permits them to excel at an elite NHL level).

        If Gomez gets moved (for free), who’s going to take him? If the buyout is expensive, the best possible case then is for him to play in the minors.

        If the Rangers can do it with Avery, then its high time they do it as well with Gomez.

        • 24 Cups says:

          I think the only team that would take Gomez would be like Florida this season – taking on salary to fill a spot and get to the floor while they wait for their prospects to develop. Gomez’s base salary is also quite less during his last two years. Hence the label “for free”.

          Sending Gomez to Hamilton would not be a popular move and there’s also the notion that he could be a distraction for all the young kids who are going there next year. However, Redden Finger and Souray worked out so who knows.

      • HabFab says:

        So $5 million plus for the first 2 years and $3 million plus for the last 2 years. Sure would be nice if people took the time to learn the rules before making suggestions ;)

      • Cal says:

        Buyouts waste space for those that appear to be a waste of space on the ice. Kaberle needs a bruiser beside him as does Markov. Can Emelin be the one for Markov? That means Tinordi (if ready) for Kaberle’s partner. Kaberle as 3rd line pairing with 2nd wave PP duty can work. He had 13:55 TOI last night, which would be just about right. Is he woeful defensively? Yes, but he can and does help on the PP and may be untradeable. Likewise Gomez. If DD is still hurt, why not try Gomez with Pac and Cole a few shifts and see what comes of it. The season is pretty much done anyway with no chance for a playoff spot.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Cal – I seriously doubt that Tinordi would be ready next year. Oversized Dmen who specialize in the defensive zone take at least a few years to develop. Pairing this kid up with Kaberle would ruin him for sure. We need to sign someone to be a short term fix for two years.

    • Cal says:

      Price is RFA, which means probably $5 mil for 2 seasons. Then, he can “cash in”, if $5 mil isn’t enough for a goalie that’s not been beyond the 2nd round, then salaries are completely out of whack (See Luongo, Bryzgalov and Renne for examples of brain-dead contracts for goalies.)
      Campoli’s contract expires July 1st, so he is gone and is auditioning for other clubs.
      I would move Weber and Diaz ASAP. They are too small without enough upside to play in this league on a team that wants to contend soon.
      Habs will not be big spenders due to a low Cap raise (all from the Jets fans). Besides Parise, who will not sign in Montreal, there isn’t much to get. Suter will sign for crazy money, making a resurgent Markov a bargain.

      Other than that, is it my imagination or have the Habs played better since White and Staubitz are playing?

      • Welks says:

        Weber is 23 years old. It is too soon to say he will not develop into anything as a player. Rafalski and Robidas who are similar in stature and did not develop until they were in their late 20′s or early thirties. Weber has a high skill level but lacks size. He needs to develop and learn to use his skills to compensate for his deficiencies. That and pairing him with a strong defensive player instead of defensive liabilities (Kaberle, Campoli) and another raw but promising rookie (Emelin) would benefit him. I thinked they rushed him to the NHL but since he is here and a low cap hit I would continue to develop him.

        • Cal says:

          Development is what the AHL is for. If Weber can’t cut it in the NHL yet, what is he doing in Montreal?

          • Welks says:

            Agreed that he should have been back in the AHL to develop. Unfortunately lack of depth in the organization the last few years resulted in his call up. He did ok last year in limited duty. Which earned him a shot. But he doesn’t look ready yet for full time duty. The forward line experiment did not bode well for his development either.

    • gmur says:

      I’ll go against the flow and say that Kaberle should be kept. If Markov stays healthy, Kaberle plays fewer regular-strength minutes and gives us a very good second powerplay unit on defence.

      Get another big, productive forward (no need for a star… just someone who can replace the 20 goals Andrei left with) who can grind and another defenceman who hits and is solid on D. We need another hitter on D to take the attention away from Emelin. He’s going to get a lot of attention next year from teams if there isn’t another nasty player on D. Cory Sarich?

  38. who cares any more says:

    … so let’s see now. Boone poses a hard one: who would you want, Staal or Subban? a robot or a stand-up comedian? For my money, I’ll take the robot.

    definition of insanity: keep doing same thing expecting a different result

  39. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Gallagher+Canucks+pack+punch+pound+weakling/6284204/story.html
    …Tony Gallagher, The Vancouver Sun: “And Saturday night the dog-assed Habs added a pounding to the blanket they put over the Western Conference scoring leaders as P.K. Subban twice clubbed Henrik into the boards hard with not the slightest response from this team other than Zack Kassian coming out and fighting the other team’s goon. What that proved is anyone’s guess.”

    …haha, and We think Our Media and Fans go into apoplexy :)

    …I mean the Canucks have 91 points !!! FFS !!! …only second behind St. Louis’ overall NHL lead of 95 points !!!

    …living out here I am usually disinterested in all things Canucks …maybe not a necessarily good-trait to have considering I have been livin’ out here, on & off, for over 40 years :) …and, I often asked Myself WHY ??? do so many call the Canucks the ‘most hated team in the NHL’ …so many nice people out here and all ?

    …well, maybe Gallagher (Tony, that is :) ) and these criminally off-the-chart obnoxious ‘green-men’ are beginnin’ to explain WHY ???

    …goobers ! :)

    _________________________________________________________
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    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  40. JF says:

    I’m beginning to think the Habs’ greatest weakness up front is no longer at centre but at left wing. Desharnais has been our top centre this year, but give Eller another year and he might be it, with Desharnais and Plekanec second and third. Ryan White has impressed me since his return. If we get another big winger for our top two lines and with Gionta back, Bourque would be a serviceable third-liner. I’m not sure if Staubitz will stick, but I like what he brings and the effect he’s had on the whole team. They seem to be playing bigger and tougher since his arrival.

    Despite his initial hesitation, we saw a bit of what Markov brings on defence and on the powerplay. We’ve been missing that sweet, soft pass to Subban all year. Substitute Diaz for Weber, add another big, strong, stay-at-home defenceman, and our defence is looking pretty good even with Kaberle.

    I’ve stayed away from the endless Price-Halak debate, but that game was one of Price’s best this season, perhaps his very best, and certainly his best ever in Vancouver. The Canucks would have won the game in the first period had it not been for him. He withstood their onslaught, and in the second half of the game, the Habs were the better team. It was great to see such a dominant third period after the disastrous ones we’ve been seeing all year.

    BTW, I haven’t seen any posts complaining about the officiating, but I thought the referees missed several calls on us.

    • Cal says:

      Agree on Price. This game reminded me of the Habs early on in the season. The Habs would pepper the opposition net only to be shut out. Then, sometime in the 2nd period, the game would slip away.
      The refs demonstrated what is wrong with the league. A penalty is a penalty is a penalty. Why the bleep don’t those zebras and their bosses get it? The officiating was horrible for both sides.

    • DLHABSNUT65 says:

      The one on Max Pac in front of Luongo should have been a penalty shot and I agree!!!

  41. Bradzerker says:

    Has your respected colleague been drinking? I love PK and his potential, but, let’s be realistic. There is no chance of acquiring Eric Staal for PK unless it’s PK + player + prospect + draft choice(s). Eric Staal is a 2nd overall pick who, coming into this year, has been averaging 36 goals per season since the lock out. In a league where big, skilled centremen are at a premium to suggest that we could get him for PK is purely wishful thinking.

  42. bigjames says:

    ok i did not read every post here so apologies if this has been said, bit markov’s english is so much better than before! his interview is really entertaining and fun to listen to!

  43. novahab says:

    Don’t hold your breath I don’t think PG is going to get fired. With all the injuries this team had Molson is not going to pin this on him. There is a lot of young talent on thsi team and coming up, so not so sure he should go. The big question is CC the coach next year . I think that will depend on the next 13 games.

    • EastCoastJoe says:

      CC? Chris Campoli? Cassey Campbell? :-)
      RC? Can’t imagine it. Molson and PG already threw him under the bus by saying a french speaking coach is a must. So unless he’s been listening to those “learn to speak French” tapes during the road trips, I highly doubt it. I also think PG will be gone. Only time will tell.

  44. habstrinifan says:

    Watching the team win is cool but the coolest feeling on these roadtrips comes from seeing all the Canadiens fans in their red sweaters. Man I feel like I could go anywhere in the world with that sweater and would make friends instantly.

    What an icon the team is? Safeguard it Molson.

    • Strummer says:

      In 1988 I was walking along a main thoroghfare in suburban Chicago wearing a Habs t-shirt and received a “Go Habs” comment from a passing car.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • habstrinifan says:

        I was in Chicago on the day the Hawks had their Stanley Cup parade. Arrived in the downtown just as crowds were dispersing. Was wearing my HABS jersey and kept getting lots of “howdies” and cool barbs (in fun). I kept inviting people to come down to MTL for our parade “next year”. Remember we had just come off the great playoff run.

        But the jersey gives you INSTANT camaraderie.

      • bel33 says:

        This is a little story about a trip to Europe two years ago with my wife… and I was wearing a nice new black Habs hat I had just received as a present from my sister. I didn’t see one like it in Toronto (where we live) for a couple weeks leading up to our trip.

        So we’re in Italy… first day in Rome, and we are just down from the Colosseum in a plaza taking pictures. I look up and I see a guy smiling back at me… we’ve got the same Habs hat on.

        We just gave each other a nod and a thumbs up… and went on our way.

        Brilliant moment.

      • kempie says:

        I find it works pretty much everywhere.

  45. 24 Cups says:

    One of the true unsung heroes in the NHL has to be goalie, Mike Smith in Phoenix. The Coyotes are hanging tough in the West (7th place) and much of it is due to Smith’s solid goaltending (30/17/7/2.28/.927).

    Then there’s 39 year old, Ray Whitney. He’s the team’s leading scorer at 21/40/61/6. I remember when he was drafted – fast, slick but too small at 5’10″.

    Last but not least, Dave Tippett. Truly one of the best coaches in the NHL, especially when it comes to doing more with less.

  46. novahab says:

    The next step is CC has to put Gomez on with Cole and Patches. Pleks wants to play the defensive role and he does not work on that line. Pleks is far better on a checking line and don’t waste Gomez as a checker. Hey you signed him to set people up, this is the perfect ops with DD out.

    • habstrinifan says:

      NO NO NO! Leave Gomez with Palushaj.. and pls dont send Palushaj down again (unless ahl rules mandate it). He and GOMEZ looked godd.. best game by Palushaj and it helps to see what we got in him and seems to give Gomez a purpose. And that is what Gomez needs… a focus.

  47. mrhabby says:

    my humble opinion..habs need top end talent in 2-3 places either in the draft, trade or free agent signing.

    and i will be a very unhappy camper if leafs get into the draft lottery.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Dave – They need a bonecrusher Dman (right side), a 4th line centre, a 4th line LW and another LW with size who could play with guys like Pleks and Gionta. That would leave Geoffrion and Darche as the spare parts and insurance.

      As for the draft, the worst case scenario is that Montreal picks 9th in which case all the really good guys will be gone. Top five is ideal.

      • mrhabby says:

        hey steve…that sums it all up i guess. should be a very interesting next few months….

        why do i get the feeling that gauthier will be back just a hunch.

        do you honestly feel RC is done.

        • 24 Cups says:

          I guess it depends on how tight Molson and Gauthier are. I strongly believe a total house cleaning is in order but a late season flurry could add creedence to the thinking that it was just bad luck this year and that the Habs will bounce back. That’s exactly what happened to Toronto last year.

          I can’t see Cunneyworth making it past April 8th. He’s just Mr. Gauthier’s sacrificial lamb. It’s ironic that the NHL schedule ends on Easter weekend.

          • habstrinifan says:

            I can see one scenario where CC stays as coach… providing that we do really well from here on in.

            If we do and the players all come out publicly (especially the french players like Darche and Desharnis and Geoffrion and LeBlanc) and let it be known that they like the coaching staff and want the stability of going into the next season with that comfort.. then he stays.. and de fact so does PG.

            I posted these sentiments before. I dont knw but I do get the feeling the players like CC and RC. They are tough but seem fair. I still would feel safer with a complete overhaul though.

            It can happen. Whatever happens I hope EVERYONE has learnt the lessons to be obtained from the season. People can change even GM’s.

          • 24 Cups says:

            “providing that we do really well from here on in.”

            That of course is the crux of the problem. The Habs failed as a team for 67 games when the season was on the line. I could care less what they do right now. It counts for nothing. If Columbus goes 10-5 to end the season does that make them a good team?

            Everyone says we can turn it around with a player or two. All that would mean is that we would get back to being a bubble team. I have no interest in that. I want more. I want the Habs to be top four in the East for an extended period of time. We have only had two successful years since Gainey took over in 2003. That’s pushing a decade and now we have to wait again as a 3rd, five year plan gets implemented. Let’s learn from our mistakes and do it right.

            We have a gap coming in our develoopment program. Patch it up for a year or two but only make real significant moves if they will have real impact on the team when it counts the most (in terms of the future)

    • aj says:

      From the looks of how the current lineup, the Habs should get 2 more forwards: a top 6 and a 4th line winger. They will draft a player who will help them either the 3th or 4th line and probably Grigorenko or Forsberg might be coming here.

      Make some trades: Campoli included and possibly Kaberle.

      Buyout Gomez!

  48. savethepuck says:

    Any word on Blunden? He’s been out 5 or 6 weeks now and when he was injured we were told 4-6 weeks.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  49. novahab says:

    P K is now going to explode just becuase Markov is back,. CC can now tell him go, play your game now. The PP will now be the best in th league again. Teams will have to be careful now they can’t go running. Well that’s silly they still have Bettman and the crooked refs on their side. Main thng is forget about the draft, win them all. That is now the theme of the team win them all.

  50. aj says:

    Lot of positives last night:

    (a) Markov, Subban, and Gorges will be the elite 3 in the blueline followed by Emelin and Diaz. They need to trade Campoli and better, also Kaberle! Next Season should be more better when they include, Tinordi, Bealieu, and Fredéric St. Dénis
    in the lineup;

    (b) Blake Geoffrion and Louis Leblanc could be a good line combo. they need another winger who could help them score (possibly Gallagher);

    What will happen next after season’s end:

    (c) This team is going to rebuild. No matter how Gauthier will deny it, Molson will do what is best for this team. Starting from the Management: new GM and scouts, to the Administrative: new Coach and staff, going all down to the players themselves. A ‘buyout’ may happen to Gomez during this summer as far as to how his contract should be dealt.

    (d) 2012 Draft will be somewhat interesting. Its either Grigorenko or Forsberg will be drafted here.

    (e) Other than that, I could be seeing this team becoming a playoff contender (and possibly cup contenders) within a year time. I don’t believe that our Montreal Canadiens will take 2-3 years to get this team on track.

    The right pieces of this team are in place:

    Forwards – Cole, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Plekanec, Gionta, Eller, Moen, White, Geoffrion, Leblanc

    Defensemen – Markov, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz

    Goalies – Price and Budaj

    Its just a question of proper handling and proper rebuilding.

  51. novahab says:

    Did the CBC broadcast crew sneak on here and write some of these posts. The Habs didn’t win , the Nuck let them are you kidding me. Lets start with the 15 to 5 shot advantage in the first. That was a joke made up my the Vancouver home side. If the Nucks had 15 they were counting every shot as 4. What I seen is a team with their main leader back and they grew strong with confidence as the game went on. They did not fold in the third , they got stronger and when was the last time we saw that.Oh well we’ll know more come Monday night becuase the Sabres are always a pain.

  52. AndyF says:

    I haven’t felt a bigger jolt of happiness in a long time than to see Markov and PK celebrating after PK’s goal last night.

    Not only did Markov play a pretty good game, but he also made PK a better player. Excellent game by PK.

    Welcome back, Andrei. Damn, have we ever missed you!

    Fail to Fail for Nail

    • JUST ME says:

      Good point ! Actually i think that for the last two years,since Markov was injured the D-men had to be overplayed and put into situations they should not have faced .

      Markov`s return should restore balance of power cause since he`s been gone we had to : overplay P.K. (rookie) overplay Gill who was not hired to play 25 minutes per game at his age,hire Campoli,lived with the learning curves of rookies like Diaz and Emelin,tried to replace Markov with Weber on the power play,hire Kaberle and what else ?

      This is what you call a key player. He opens the door to many strangers when he`s gone.

  53. HabFab says:

    NCAA Hab prospects Kishel, Kristo, MacMillan, Pateryn and Bennett all advanced with their teams (sweeps) in their best out of 3 play-offs. MacMillan, a rookie playing on the same team as Kristo had 1G + 3A in leading their team to 2 victories over the weekend. Josh Didier and his Denver team mates will have to play a 3rd game today to decide their fate.

  54. 24 Cups says:

    The Vancouver management team is going to have to make a very tough decision on Luongo once the playoffs start. He cost them the game last night (two softies), as well as the dumbest penalty rule in the books (twice).

    Luongo will certainly get the call in April but if he faulters then the Canucks have to be ready to go to Schneider and stick with him right to the end. Their window of opportunity will only be open for a few more years.

    If there is a mercy buyout provision in the new CBA, you could see two of the biggest French-Canadien players in the NHL being bought out. Who would have thought that would ever be possible?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Steve, I think the fact Vancouver traded Hodgson and not Schneider in order to shore up their physical depth, speaks volumes about their long term faith in Luongo. They could have kept Hodgson until the summer having that extra scoring depth and Schneider would have fetched them grit from another team (obviously Buffalo has no need for another goalie).
      I found that decision very curious.

    • habstrinifan says:

      True re the Luongo! He just doesnt inspire confidence.. not in the short term and not in the long term.

    • TomNickle says:

      From every angle. Hockey operations and business, keeping Schneider and cutting bait with Luongo is the right move for them. Problem is, their window for maximum return was last summer. He was a Vezina nominee(bogus as it might have been) and had reached the Cup Finals.

    • JUST ME says:

      I think that for Vancouver`s management keeping Schneider as long as possible is a must cause his good performances removes pressure from Luongo and his long term costly deal.
      Every year pressure becomes unbearable from the fans and the media around Luongo .Even though he is on top of his craft with such an expensive and long deal ir creates a problem cause nobody deserves such a financial treatment.

      So if they can keep Schneider until Luongo becomes tradable they will.

      • otter649 says:

        Boston has a future problem with keeping goalies – Rask is an UFA & Thomas has one year to go on his contract. Trade Thomas keep Rask or try hard to sign Rask and then let Thomas walk in 2013…..

        • 24 Cups says:

          otter – I believe that Rask is a RFA this summer. That works well for the Bruins. Thomas has one year left on his contract that is for 3M with a 5M cap hit.

          I could easily see the Bruins giving Rask a long-term deal and then saying goodbye to Thomas next June. He is quickly becoming the Ugly American. You have to figure he’s bad karma as well.

          • otter649 says:

            You’re right 24C – Shouldn’t listen to talking heads sometimes where I heard that Rask was an UFA but is a RFA only takes a moment to check Capgeek…..

    • New says:

      Louongo has always been over rated. He has a solid fan following and still lives off his days of being blitzed in Florida. Still the difference between the Canucks and the winner of this years Cup will be the same as last year. When the tough get going two guys fade away. Any coach who can make either of them play with an edge will get the Jack Adams.

  55. LizardKing1967 says:

    Where is Man Apart now?
    Outshot 15-5 in the first, the ONLY reason we won is that Price kept us in the game when we were not skating. And did you see Luongo’s numbers before the game (2.38 GAA, .923%) aside from more victories, he has close enough numbers to Price. ON A TOP TEAM! I wish all thos Price bashers would GET THE H..L off this site. He IS a thoroughbred and will only get better with age (and an improved team in front of him).

    Markov looked good. A bit slow and out of sync, as to be expected, but WOW, what a difference on the PP. Nice touch pass to P.K.

    Talking about P.K. I agree with you Boone. NO WAY do I trade this stud. He’s another Timmens thoroughbred. And he’s only in his second year. Played top minutes for most of it. Go-to guy in ALL situations. And the number one target of all other teams. What more do you want?

    Nice to see a fight. Nice to see Staubitz win a slugfest. Last time we had a true heavyweight was probably when we had Kordic. Seems to me the fight sparked our butts.

    Is there a point to Weber? God I can’t wait to get Diaz back and healthy. TWICE he let someone blow by him and left his d partner all alone.

    Draft lottery or not, it’s great when we win!

    Not too shabby futur when you consider Max-Pac, Eller, P.K., Emelin, Price, Gorges, Cole.

    Drive for 25. 2012-2013. Max-Pac for Conn Smyth.

    I BELIEVE!

    • TomNickle says:

      Darren Langdon might not like your comment that Kordic was the Habs last heavyweight.

    • Marc10 says:

      For a guy that hasn’t played in 15 months, Markov looked great. 17 mins against the Canucks?! And the flow on effect on Yemmy, Gorges and PK was noticeable. Even Campoli looked looked good out there!

      • TomNickle says:

        Campoli’s been excellent since the deadline.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          He’s actually been playing a lot more physical of late. Obviously he doesn’t usually knock down bigger guys, but I’ve noticed a few of his hits along the boards where he pushes another player to the ground.

          Doesn’t make the disaster pairing of Campoli-Kaberle any better, but it’s still nice to see.

  56. habstrinifan says:

    We fans are really weird. If you read the posts over the last two wins, you would think that ALL IS RIGHT with the team.

    The team has a great core, better than many teams.

    But please, powers that be, make the right evaluations over the summer and MAKE the changes that NEED to be made.

    Let us not ignore the lessons of this season because we end the season ‘well’.

    In fact, if we do go on a run and everyone’s value climbs in the eyes of the hockey world (usualy when a team is going well all players seem to be accorded higher value)… USE that opportunity to get the best for them.

    Our play is no ILLUSION… neither the bad nor the good!

  57. Cal says:

    To answer Boone, I gotta say PK. He is a dominant player at age 22 with many years left. He skates with power and is difficult to knock off the puck. His passing needs improvement, but that has improved as well. It’ll be great to see him wearing a Cup ring.

  58. mrhabby says:

    and the leafs are only 4 points ahead of the habs..i will be very pissed if they get a lottery pic given the year the canadiens have had..

  59. rhino514 says:

    “In My opinion, for the Montreal Canadiens to have a better than average Team (Playoff capable) next season, and possibly even a Stanley Cup contender in the next 2 to 3 seasons, depends on a much bigger presence at the centre-position ”

    Why do people keep posting these statements?? The team is actually DEEP at centre. You could argue that we are SLIGHTLY below average on the top three, average on the second line, and above average on the third line. And Gomez is a spare part who occasionally, like every couple of weeks, make a rush which changes the game. (Granted he won´t be back next year so I don´t include him in my above evaluation).
    There are quite a few good teams out there who don´t have a BIG and ELITE scoring first line centre; there are only a handful of those guys in the league, period.
    And give Plekanec good wingers on a consistent basis and I would bet he goes from slightly below average to average on the first line.
    The weakness of the team this year, and which can be fixed during the off-season, is easy to spot; goals against, a.k.a one more reliable defenseman is needed. The centre positions are NOT a weakness.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Hear hear. Three effective lines are what we need. (Well four, but you take my point, I presume.) I am happy with what we have, especially since I think Eller will soon be better than average.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …Rhino, I’m out here on the Wet Coast, it’s 5:10 AM and I should be gettin’ My beauty rest, but up early to get My Son to an early soccer game :( …saw Your paraphrase of My comment below

      …I don’t think We are too far apart on the opinion We have a better Team than one that ends up near the bottom of the NHL standings …in fact, My opinion is We have as good talent as half the teams that are presently qualified …I think I said that clearly below

      …We seem to diverge a bit on Our opinion whether the talent (in My case, size and predictable scoring skill) is enough at this time to take Us to the ‘next level’ …Your opinion is We currently have enough at centre to what ? …make the playoffs ? (which I have already said We do) …or win the Stanley Cup, or reach, say, the third round of the playoffs ? (this is where I think I do not agree with You)

      …Yes, the centres We currently have can be enough to reach the playoffs, no argument …but, IMO, the centres We have will never be enough to be an elite Team with capacity to reach the 3rd round or the Stanley Cup

      …unless, Carey Price can channel a Halakian-like, or Roy-like transcendent ride carrying Us on His back

      …all I am saying is, if I was Management, looking forward, rather than what is happening today …in the best-business interest of the Montreal Canadiens …that having assurance for the draft-position to call the centre I believe is critical to taking Us to the ‘next-level’ is something that would be My priority at the tail-end of this now lost season

      _________________________________________________________
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      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  60. HabinBurlington says:

    Dreger talking about Radulov if he were to return to NHL.

    Darren Dreger ‏ @DarrenDreger
    Reply RetweetedRetweet
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    FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details Radulov would not have to clear waivers as the NHL and NHLPA would agree to alter the application of this process. Sounds sketchy…I know.

    • HabFab says:

      Radulov’s KHL team eliminated from play-offs. He is pi$$ed and making threats.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Dreger also tweeted, that everytime Nashville talks to him, KHL just increases the money.

        Nashville really wants him back in lineup, but I don’t think they can afford him given they still need to sign Suter, Weber, and Brother Andrei.

        I do wish PG had been able to get Radulov’s rights in one of those trades he made. I think those rights will be in play this offseason. Maybe Nashville would like Yannick Weber?

        • HabFab says:

          Money the root of all evil! In this case Radulov is still limited by his entry level salary cap and like too many of his comrades feel that certain rules shouldn’t apply to them.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am guessing that while he is governed by entry level contract, he only comes back if he has a signed extension. Is there any rule about how soon a player can have his entry level deal extended?

            How great was it seeing Andrei Markov last night Frank? I don’t think anyone can wipe the smile off my face this morning.

          • HabFab says:

            I have not watched a complete game all season, my sanity is too important to me (being fragile and all) plus got tired of buying new TV’s. And although I was not glued to the game, it stayed on to the sweet end.

            There are some rules about extensions but I’m not sure what applies here.

  61. JUST ME says:

    If you look at yesterday`s lineup there is something wrong something missing but still we managed to beat the Canucks. Maybe the opponent was not up to par but this is the usual reason we look for to explain why we did not lose.

    Other than the legendary negativity of the Habs fans ,the explanation lies in the fact that they are not as bad as they look and still on paper should be able to compete.
    Strangely the last two wins were collected in the same fashion. A tight game score wise and a solid third period to put the game away. Rather unusual if we compare to the Habs style so far this season.

    It becomes more and more obvious that this is a season to be scratched and that we cannot learn a lot from it apart from the usual weird decisions made by the G.M.

    Next exercise to be made is to write down who are the keepers on that team and anyone in their right mind will find out that the core is quite interresting . Remains to build on that and add a few key elements other than the usual interchangeable players. Get me Cole`s twin brother fast !
    Another solid game from number 72 .

    Totally agree with Markov`s being in the lineup .We need the guy and we need to put him in the thick of things. If it does not hold on then we will have our answer. Furthermore it is obvoius that with his presence on and off the ice this team is stabilized and that nobody needs to do more than he is expected to.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I am not much of a fan of the foam-whipping media but even our Mtl. crew would acknowledge the presence of the other team in the equation. That first article is some powerful navel gazing …

    • The Cat says:

      I didnt see the game, its much too late so I cant say if the canucks were listless for sure, but it never ceases to amaze me how a collective group of 20 can all not be in the game, it happens so much in the NHL that it almost seems phoney.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  62. HabinBurlington says:

    So Jonathan Toews admits he did play through some of the games with concussion sypmtoms, but did finally shut it down. Considering this player has had a significant concussion in the past, it is disturbing that players still “don’t want to be that guy” who misses time with a concussion.

    This is one of the true bright stars of the game, and if even he feels the pressure to still go out and play. I find that admirable of the efforts, but disturbing given how serious this can be.

    This league still has a ways to go with this ever disturbing trend.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/7666349/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-played-concussion-symptoms

  63. rhino514 says:

    Anyone know what the projection is for Geoffrion? I believe he won the Hobie Baker a couple of years ago…It seems hard to believe we could get a bonafide prospect and draft picks (so much) for Gill.
    Is he projected as a third line forward?
    The guy I´m worried about is Bourque. He seems to have a surly character and a good year for him seems to be twenty goals and ten assists. Another guy who looks like he is going to be untradeable…

  64. Top Corner says:

    What a game !!!

  65. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Eric Staal for P.K.? Ridiculous suggestion. Taking into account that P.K. is five years younger I wouldn´t take Staal and a first rounder for P.K. The only player I currently would trade him 1-1 is Malkin.

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    What a delightful game to watch last night (this morning), and what a tantalizing sampling of what could have been but what will be next year.

    The effects of Markov is so much more than just his shifts on the ice. As he gets back to 100% the rotation of players used changes dramatically. It would be incredible if PG or New GM this summer can find a way to add that one more big defensively reliable Dman who would anchor our final dpairing with Kaberle.

    Watching the post game interviews, I loved Markov’s answer to the reporter when asked “How’s your knee?” “Still there” was the simple response. Atta boy Andrei, his wit is wonderful and this man is a Hab that wants to be a Hab and knows what it means to be a Hab. I am hopeful we have our Andrei back.

    Oh yah, Price continues to play well this year, amazing how if you score more than 1 goal our chances for victory increase.

    • rhino514 says:

      100% agree. His effect is so much more than points. I understand why PG demonstrated unwavering loyalty to him in place of Wizniewski (though he was likeable and talented, for sure).
      PG gambled but I sure understand the gamble. He is part of the core of this team, the longest serving Canadien, and unquestionably the key to the power play. With him in the lineup the team easily handled the number stanley Cup contender in the West. With him in the lineup the team plays with heart, which has been found lacking this season.
      Agree that a good, tough defensive defenseman is all we need to decrease goals against next year and be a top four team. And to those spouting nonsensical statements like “we only have 6 or 7 legit NHLers” on the team, I reiterate what I have always thought: this is a very talented team completely undone by injuries. Don´t really think Kaberle and Bourque fit on the team, and hopefully at least one of them will be gone during the off-season, but the leadership core of the team is still very strong.

    • Cal says:

      After playing 17 minutes and change his firstgame back, I get the feeling RC will only dress 6 D on Monday. Right, RC?….RC?….Where the hell are you?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I don’t know Cal, I think they are going to be protective for a couple more games yet. I would love to eliminate 1 of those dmen, but understand the caution.

        Other question is, how serious is Diaz injury, if he comes back soon, do they go back to Weber on 4th line?

      • neumann103 says:

        I think they need to continue to maintain options that allow Markov to be introduced or dialed back as his condition warrants. The last thing the Habs need is for Markov to overplay because he or the coaches don’t want to drop to rotating 5 D (three of whom are Campoli, Weber and Kaberle) in the middle of a game.

        Also I see some good things with rolling the forwards. The occasional double shifts last night from Cole, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Eller and yes even Gomez had some great things happening

        “Et le but!”

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Yeah, I think Markov needs to be re-integrated slowly. Doesn’t matter if it costs them games. There’s not need to lose the lottery pick especially with the Leafs going down (after a going down in flames to 10th, they’re now slowly fading away – camouflaged tank).

  67. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Call me crazy but I would not trade PK Subban for a healthy Sid Crosby. We’re lucky to have him.

    Welcome back Andrei.

    • Marc10 says:

      Yep you’re crazy

      (but I love PK… He’s a beast!)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      PK’s athleticism and skating is off the charts. How many times he has the puck on his stick below the goal line with a player draped on him and he can skate the puck out or make the first pass.

      His offense will only go up as the rest of our Dmen are improved.

      There is no reason to consider trading PK Period. He is a game changer, and the mentor back in the lineup. Markov is still our general, and that is going to help PK flourish.

    • New says:

      On 1 Jul 2013 Sydney Crosby could be a UFA.

  68. Habitant in Surrey says:

  69. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …In My opinion, for the Montreal Canadiens to have a better than average Team (Playoff capable) next season, and possibly even a Stanley Cup contender in the next 2 to 3 seasons, depends on a much bigger presence at the centre-position that knows how to put the puck in the net on a consistent-basis and opens the ice for the rest of Our Team (what’s new !?! :) ), …also necessary is more physicality and skill in Our 4th line than We started with this season, …as well Our current Players must know a Team-oriented stability (coaching-wise) and a relative injury-free season

    …the Montreal Canadiens now, today, have the talent of a playoff-capable Team …but, it took some exceptional dysfunction from management (to Myself the biggest mistake of Gauthier this season was not recognizing We needed more than Ryan White to provide overall physicality to compliment Our smaller skilled Players …if We had Ryan White and Brad Staubitz-like, or better, components on Our roster from training camp, We would have ended from third to 6th in Our conference this season, and not second to last in the League)

    …My long-winded point being, I much rather win than lose …and, I am floatin’ in the clouds tonight that Markov is FINALLY back (and crossin’ My fingers He STAYS back) …but I am also worried We will play Ourselves out of one of the Top-2 draft choices, where if Timmins is currently doing His due-diligence scouting, We will make the ‘right-choice’ of one of the available blue-chip centres available in July

    …in this salary-cap era, it is critical We obtain that required presence at centre through the draft rather than overpaying for a free-agent

    _________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • Marc10 says:

      Yes. Getting a Malkin would cure all kinds of problems… Apparently there’s a Malkin-lite going at Number 2. Unfortunately we’ll be drafting 5 or 6 by the time the boys finish with this kind of effort.

      Now that Markov’s back, that the pressure’s off, that PK has found his groove… and that Pleks has stopped sulking (with being paired up with the Twin Towers), I expect the Good Ship Tank to hit the reef of Too Little Too Late and take us out of the running. Damn.

      On the flip side, we might well have two 30-goal scorers. When was the last time that happened?! Damphousse-Bellows?!

      Oh and what’s with the hitting all of a sudden? The Habs absolutely dominated the Canucks in the smash and crash. If I’m Vancouver, seeing PK own the Sisters last night, I’d be extremely worried. If the Habs can do that, imagine what the rest of the West will do come crunch time…

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …I have a feelin’ Gillis is beginning to regret getting rid of Cody Hodgeson …the Canucks offensive depth has taken a serious hit as showed tonight

        _________________________________________________________
        HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
        http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

        • Marc10 says:

          Other than Kassian, Kelser and Bieksa, who can push back on the Nucks? Burrows and Lapierre are the Kings of Turtling, the Sedins are Yannick Weber soft (maybe softer after seeing them get taken to the woodshed by PK…)

          I just don’t see it. I don’t see these guys getting passed Detroit, St Louis, Nashville or Chicago. Hell even the Stars might take them out!

          And if Vigneault gets fired, I can see a former employer reaching out with an offer…

          • habstrinifan says:

            Alain Vigneault might just b e a right fit here.. on the second go round.
            It is really hard to assess a coach like Vigneault but I woud take the
            chance.

            Whatever happens.. it is so IMPORTANT that we make the right choice for the next 3 to 5 years.

      • Viruk42 says:

        1995-96, both Pierre Turgeon and Vincent Damphousse scored 38 goals. Recchi was third on the team, with 28. So you were close, as Damphousse and Bellows hit 30 in 93-94, and the shortened season in between doesn’t really count (they also had no players on pace for 30 goals that year)

        Pleks had 29 in 07-08, so he was 1 goal away from giving us two, but oh well.

  70. Un Canadien errant says:

    What a game! Grigoren-who? Yakupov, shmakupov. I want more wins like these, where we outskate and outhit and outgoaltend the opposition, they’re addictive.

    The Canadiens weathered the storm in the first period, due to the solid work of Carey Price. He’s had some bumps in the road lately and has been accused of not playing inspired or even focused hockey, but the feeling here is that his mental preparation and readiness at worst mirrors that of the team. In any case, he sent out the message in the first that he was ready, and it may have strengthened the resolve of his teammates and made them believe they were in this game and could pull it off.

    Brad Staubitz is slowly starting to win me over. I understand that Pierre Gauthier added him to the roster due to the injuries to Mathieu Darche and Travis Moen, and also to react to present circumstances in the NHL, where the Milburites are seemingly ruling the roost, having ousted the Bossyans from any position of power they may still have held. Mr. Staubitz has been restrained in his actions, playing hard and throwing bodychecks but not being called for cheap penalties and dumb plays. He has given a good account of himself when he has dropped the gloves, as shown again tonight against the taller, bigger Zack Kassian. I haven’t noticed this before, but in this tilt Mr. Staubitz fought as a lefthander, which may have surprised Mr. Kassian. His hard bodycheck against Alex Edler in the third forced the latter to flip the puck into the stands and take a delay of game penalty, which led to P.K.’s goal on the two-man advantage. Another point in his favour, and this one may seem farfetched, but I liked how he skated hard after a loose puck in the first period, one which could have yielded a scoring chance, but in which race he was beaten by Roberto Luongo. It is crazy that we’re reduced to noticing this, but it was good to see that he veered away from contact with the goalie, as opposed to the mendacious Milan Lucic who “could only brace for impact” when confronted with a similar situation against Ryan Miller. If Mr. Staubitz can continue playing hard and clean and smart like he does presently, I’ll be happy to have him on this team.

    My friend Eric joined me shortly after the scrap, and as we drank beers and chin-wagged, we weren’t as concentrated on the game as we could have been. He did make it in plenty of time to see Ryan Kesler score for the Canucks, at which juncture we both bellowed at the screen: “Kesler, you’re adequately compensated!” This is a tradition which started during the 2006-07 season when we were roommates. Bobby Clarke had just signed Ryan to a $1.9 million offer sheet with the Flyers, and the Canucks petulantly had to match it while NHL GM’s howled at Mr. Clarke’s perfidy. It was comedic how the Flyers GM gave as good as he got, exclaiming that if he wasn’t supposed to make use of the offer sheet provisions, maybe the NHL should take it out of the CBA. In any case, a young Ryan Kesler, still learning the NHL game, was overvalued thought most commenters and analysts, and Eric and I would proclaim: “Kesler, you’re overpaid!” whenever he struggled. A couple years later, as his play improved to the point that he was outplaying his contract, we would decry: “Kesler, you’re underpaid!” Which brings us to the point we’re at today, where we find it necessary to point out the equilibrium between his performance and his remuneration, to quizzical looks from onlookers who aren’t in the know.

    The Blake Geoffrion goal on a Louis Leblanc was a nice moment, it’s great to see our young AHL callups produce, but it got Eric grumbling about Roberto Luongo’s performance, although not as much as the first Erik Cole goal. I tried to sell it as a sniper’s goal, on a backhand, which every goalie will tell you is the hardest shot to stop, but he wasn’t buying. We did discuss the possibility of pulling Roberto for Corey Schneider, but I talked him out of it, told him it sent the wrong message to his teammates. We got a little sidetracked about how the Canucks should have handled things at the trade deadline, since I think keeping Mr. Schneider indicates that management doesn’t trust their $64 million man. I thought they should have flipped their backup goalie to the Lightning for pieces to help on their Cup run, as the Canucks should load up to win this year, their future is now. He countered that they should have traded Roberto for Vincent Lecavalier, swapping crazy contracts with each other, and I found that notion intriguing. With Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler and Vincent Lecavalier, the Canucks would have been super deep at centre, and much stronger for the playoffs. Unfortunately, the NHL isn’t run by lively minds such as ours, and there were two pesky No Trade Clauses that might have caused a problem. So we let the matter rest.

    In time for me to celebrate P.K. Subban’s sweet goal on the 5 on 3 powerplay. The Canadiens controlled the puck, looked as if they knew what to do with the puck, Andrei Markov looked like The General of old, and P.K. didn’t hit the rafters with his windup, he just took a good hard shot that actually hit the net. I took the time to sing ‘The Ballad of Andrei Markov’, as Eric, like so many other hockey ‘fans’, doesn’t really know him. I find that Andrei flies under the radar outside of Montreal, I’ve won countless hockey pools by grabbing him way later than he should have lasted, and then giggled as he piled up the points. It’s surprising that in a media-saturated market like Montreal, our players don’t get the attention that guys like Dion Phaneuf and James Reimer and Matt Stajan and Darcy Tucker and Tie Domi get.

    By the time Erik Cole made it 4-1, Eric was offering to trade me Roberto Luongo for Carey Price straight up. I rejected that crazy offer. Years and years ago, I was proposing this same deal to him, a swap of hometown goalies, but back then Carey was going through growing pains, and Roberto seemed rock-solid and to just be itching for a chance at the post-season. As Carey progressed and Roberto amassed critics, my offer changed, and I would request draft picks and players to make the deal. Nowadays, I feel very comfortable with Carey and without Roberto, so Eric’s feeble entreaties are brusquely rebuffed.

    So bring on the Sabres. We’re not going to the playoffs, let’s ruin their chances as well.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      “What a game! Grigoren-who? Yakupov, shmakupov. I want more wins like these, where we outskate and outhit and outgoaltend the opposition, they’re addictive.”, sayeth uCe

      …hmmm, Normand, short-term I couldn’t agree more …I cheered like I was a teen-ager tonight when PK scored with a sublime assist from Markie …long-term ???, …business-wise ??? …playing Ourselves out of Top-5 ??? …that My Young Man, I call a painful emotional dichotomy

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      HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
      http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      Don’t forget Kaberle as another player we heard way too much about when he was playing for the Leafs.

  71. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I was expecting Andrei Kostitsyn to score much more prolifically once out of Montreal …it seems certain Players revel under the magnifying glass in Montreal, and others just can not relax to play Their games

    …can’t be sure whether AK will lapse back into His somnolent habits, but many other ex-Canadiens have flourished when freed from the daily-pressure of Montreal’s media and Fans …while others, like Pernell Karl revel in it

    …2 Players tonight that showed ‘game’ and flashes of potential tonight in Vancouver that have yet to show same in Montreal, IMHO, were Palushaj and Geoffrion

    _________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

    • Marc10 says:

      Andrei will benefit from a mature (ing) Sergei and a great coach + a zero pressure environment… But if he slacks off with Trotz, he just won’t play.

      We’ll see. I just didn’t see a way forward for this guy in Montreal. He took too many nights off… But when he’s on, he’s on. A very streaky player.

      We certainly need to replace his size ans speed in the lineup. Maybe that’s something a high draft pick can do. :-)

      • habstrinifan says:

        Did you notice the smile on his face? I know the trade wa sinevitable but man I think we gonna be looking at his stats for years. Just so much size and talent combined .

        And if he does pan out it would be fair to AGAIN point out that our drafting has been GREAT…but our development and’coaching of prowess players’ LOUSY!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I have great faith in Andrei, I know he won’t disappoint. He’ll be back in hibernation very soon.

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      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  72. VancouverHab says:

    Here’s a real NHL lineup (trade DD for a fourth-line francophone and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.)

    Cole Gomez Patches
    Bourque Pleks Gionta
    Moen Eller Leblanc
    Staubitz ?? Geoffrion

    Markov Emelin
    Gorges Subban
    Kaberle Diaz

  73. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …proud of You Mike seeing in PK what others that should know more about hockey than You …when I watch PK, I see a whirling dervish of pure defensive talent and Whom will someday soon exceed a Karlson (Ottawa’s) offensively

    …ok, Karlson today is offensively superior to Pernell Karl, but can Karlson as a defenceman control play, and make the defensive plays that PK can ? …not even close !

    …a ‘D’ mans first responsibility is ‘prevent’ goals …PK, as a second-year prodigy playing 25 to 30+ minutes a game, …plus, if Markov stays healthy, We will see PK potting 20+ goals per season on top of His defensive genius

    …of course, I am a Habs’ Fan …I would go out of My way, like I did tonight to buy tickets for Myself and Son and Daughter to watch My beloved Team play …but, there is no single Player since Patrick Roy and Guy Lafleur that I would go out of My way to splurge $ 600 to watch than said PK Subban on Our current Team

    _________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  74. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …must have been a very enjoyable trip on the road for Boone …He was able to enjoy some fairly good hockey, including 2 out of 3 victories for the Good Guys (so far) …spent time in Our beautiful city of Vancouver with His Daughter (of which, I think was the most significant high-light of His road-warrior adventure) …watched the historic Geoffrion goal …the encouraging long-awaited return of Markov …Carey’s proud and successful return ‘home’ …and, last but not least, ‘enjoyed’ a soothing, relaxing call-in ‘massage’ in Calgary (of which, He generously avoided any jail-time)

    …We out here in the Rain-forest of Canada are going to miss the good-karma You brought Us Habs’ Fans in the wilderness this week Mike

    …sorry to see You leave :)

    _________________________________________________________________
    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  75. HabFab says:

    Cannot do in the NHL with the present CBA.

  76. ZepFan2 says:

    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Go back and try to finish 10th grade for the 5th time.

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    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

  77. Trisomy 21 says:

    Know your place you punk 16 year old

  78. jedimyrmidon says:

    Aah, the Internet. A stewpot of people at various stages in their life veiled by anonymity.

  79. HabFab says:

    +++
    Actually had a full body chuckle with that one!!!

  80. ZepFan2 says:

    I sometimes wonder about this guy. Is he being serious or is he just a stupid troll that I should ignore.

    I guess I should give him a break. I do vaguely remember what it was like to be 16. I just hope I wasn’t as illiterate as he seems to be back then.

    ———————————————————————-
    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

  81. Rob says:

    He’s just a kid. Realized it the other day when he was talking about a girl in his Gr 10 Art class. So I wouldn’t hold too much against him.

    The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  82. Canus says:

    I have also never liked him.
    He always has that smile, that everyone seems to love. I just seemed to see right through him. I always thought he was a dick.

  83. powdered toastmann says:

    Subban is such a remarkable young talent with so much up-side for a young “d-man” I would not trade him.

    And…after the Habs, I like the Detroit Red-Wings (talk about a well run organization over the past umpteen years)…but enough with the ridiculous posts.

  84. DorvalTony says:

    No wonder Quebec is a banana republic.

    mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  85. CalgaryHab says:

    Keep politics out if it. The last thing you ever did was prove your smarts by supporting the NDP.

  86. third generation haber says:

    Gomez needs to join Jeff Finger and Wade Redden in the AHL. We can’t be competitive when 7.5 cap hit goes into a black hole.

    Molson has the money to make this go away. and would actually be paying Gomer 5mil despite the 7.5 cap hit.

    Pleks, DD, Eller, Leblanc, and White are our center! Plus we may draft Forsberg or Galchenyuk.
    j.p. murray

  87. Colomb27 says:

    That top 5 pick just may be NHL ready… Mikhail Grigorenko and Alexei Galchenyuk are both phenoms. Some AHL grooming may be necessary, but the inevitable injuries will likely allow our lottery pick to see some ice time with the big club

  88. DorvalTony says:

    Ah, a Mensa member!

    mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  89. third generation haber says:

    Very true, but Grigorenko is not a lottery pick!

    Some scouts think he will fall to the second round b/c he doesn’t compete and only puts up points against bad teams. McKinnon embarrassed him badly head to head and is a full year younger.

    Spread the alert in Hab land: Grigorenko is a bust!!!! Buyer beware!!!!!

    Read the write-up on TSN:
    http://tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=388658

    j.p. murray

  90. Bripro says:

    I see you’re throwing compliments around, Tony…
    Nice of you to take the high road.

  91. powdered toastmann says:

    Nyuk Nyuk, Nyuk…sorry, but I kinda agree with Toe-knee.

  92. ZepFan2 says:

    Bob McKenzie grows weary of you.

    Come to think about it, so do I.

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    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

  93. DorvalTony says:

    Draft Malcolm Subban and several Quebecois.

    mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  94. ont fan says:

    If a free agent wanted to come here, I get sending him to Hamilton. No top UFA in his late 20′s is going to come to a rebuild. Who in the minors is going to take his place?

  95. powdered toastmann says:

    Agree..and don’t forget the kid with the Kitchener Rangers.

  96. third generation haber says:

    I also agree with JP Murray:-)

    there are so many D-men in the top 10, that drafting a forward (Forsberg, Galchenyuk, Faksa) probably won’t require us to tank.

    The question is, can management pass on these D-men who seem more like a sure thing????

    Difficult call.

    j.p. murray

  97. powdered toastmann says:

    Quebec bananas are special.

  98. powdered toastmann says:

    You stole my thunder…Agree.

    Funny how all the uninformed political BS diatribes always originate with the left leaners.

  99. Mike D says:

    Radek Faksa is the guy you’re thinking of.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  100. powdered toastmann says:

    Aye carumba…I think I’ll take a nap.

  101. third generation haber says:

    i agree with u!

    Since goalies need 4-5 years to develop it’s time to invest!
    And, it’s been too long since the flying frenchmen!

    j.p. murray

  102. HardHabits says:

    That is the biggest piece of crap post for the day. But it’s early still given the time change. Idiot.

  103. Mike Boone says:

    That is a spectacularly ignorant assessment of my friend François gagnon. Why don’t you try reading him?

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger
    Gazette City columnist
    mboone@montrealgazette.com

  104. powdered toastmann says:

    Thanks, that’s him…I just had a brain cramp.

  105. ZepFan2 says:

    Don’t have a cow, man. :razz:

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    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

  106. powdered toastmann says:

    Yikes…That would be painful.

  107. ZepFan2 says:

    “Yikes…That would be painful.”

    Only if you’re a vegan. :razz:

    ———————————————————————-
    “You cannot petition the lord with prayer!” – James Douglas Morrison

  108. Dulljerk says:

    zzzzzzzzzz

    “Is the little dog going to yap, or is he going to bite?”

  109. powdered toastmann says:

    Yes

  110. habstrinifan says:

    I worked the RCMP musical ride stables one summer. There was an area reserved for ‘dumping’ the horse crap around a post. When the crap got up to a certain marking on the post we called removal.

    I think this should win me the biggest crap post prize.

  111. HardHabits says:

    Left or Right. Both sides are home to extremist idiots.

  112. powdered toastmann says:

    Lunch time.

  113. DorvalTony says:

    Actually the French Media and Academe have brainwashed the French population and even some of the Anglos and Allos into believing that. And some other sad ideas too. Bill 101 for instance and the idea that chasing out 750,000 English is a good thing. And you riff on Thomas for being a conservative? LOL

    mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  114. powdered toastmann says:

    No doubt, however it appears (from the postings on this site) that the most vocal live on the left.

  115. HardHabits says:

    I consider myself to be socially progressive but fiscally conservative.

    The only reason for the leftist rants here is that Hockey is the sport of the North which tends to be more liberal. Go to a NASCAR website and tell me what you think after you read a few comments there. ;-)

  116. Mike D says:

    Doubt Price will get that much, but it depends on how many years he signs for. Subban will not get more than 4mil on this next contract. Eller and Diaz are only due small raises which will be negligible to our overall cap situation. Emelin will likely get around 2.5mil because 1) he is worth it, and 2) we need to give him the incentive to not go back to the KHL. Hopefully we can re-sign Moen for around 2mil for a few more years.

    Getting rid of Gomez will free up the necessary cap space to acquire a significant piece, but we need to be mindful of DD’s and Max’s earning potential as their contracts are up after next season. If Max has another 30+ goal season next year, he’ll be getting a very healthy raise from the 1.625 mil he’s currently making, as will DD if he has another good year next year.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  117. JayBee says:

    Price is not getting $8M. He doesn’t deserve it either. I’d say something long term at just under 6M is fair.

  118. ABHabsfan says:

    They said on CBC last night that the cap could be around $72M next year so there’s another $5M. However with the CBA uncertainty, one couldn’t say for sure where it will be.

    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  119. Mr. Biter says:

    dtoight, so Thomas is a racist hillbilly redneck because he doesn’t agree with your politicial views (and BTW ,TT has nothing to do with PK). I’d look at yourself as being an urban liberal racist. HH, your right about his post.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  120. Mike D says:

    Not necessarily. Just look at Edmonton. CBJ would have great offensive potential but until they address their goaltending and to a lesser extent, their D, the progress would be minimal. A good goalie is not going to want to go there as a FA, and they would have to trade significant pieces to acquire one in a trade. They could draft one, but it could be a while before that goalie was ready for primetime, and that’s assuming he pans out.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  121. HardHabits says:

    Don’t worry about an idtoightwit. Everyone knows Quebec is either a Maple Syrup Replublic, a Poutine Republic or a Strip Joint on Every Corner Republic.

  122. Mike D says:

    Given the long offseason Habs are in for this year, it will at least give us something to talk about on HIO during the dog days.

    I’ve also heard rumours of a salary rollback so who knows what will happen. I only hope there won’t be another lost or shortened season next year.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  123. Mr. Biter says:

    I guess I do as I am replying to one.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  124. HardHabits says:

    ^^ This. Much more eloquently stated than I did.

  125. Mike D says:

    Blame Daylight Savings Time :-)

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  126. DorvalTony says:

    “You’re”. You didn’t say that when he started 1-6 did you?

    What’s your excuse for 2010? Excuses excuses excuses. Give Jaro the credit he deserves.

    mcl-blog.blogspot.com

  127. matt jordan says:

    True enough, but think about how young the Oilers trio is and how good they already are. Their time will come.

  128. Mike D says:

    Their big 3 are great Matt, no doubt about it. Their D is brutal though and Dubnyk doesn’t look to be all that. If they don’t address those needs soon they might run into the problem of losing one or more of their forward studs to free agency, or having to pay so much to retain them that they can’t afford much in terms of quality D or goaltending.

    I think it more of a fair statement to say their time MIGHT come if their management group doesn’t screw it up. And I don’t have much faith in Tambellini and Lowe. They need to draft Murray or Dumba or one of the highly ranked D prospects at this draft and hope they develop quickly.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  129. _koopy_ says:

    If you’re going to mention him in every post, at least learn how to spell his name. It’s PARISE, not Praise.
    You’re seriously worse than Don Cherry. And there’s no way we’re getting Weber or Parise btw, especially since you want to keep Gomez.

  130. Price07 says:

    The fact he supports Gomez and wants to keep him is the first indicator not to listen to anything he says lol Either he’s dumb or he’s not a habs fan and wants us to keep sucking

  131. Mr. Biter says:

    72 Mil. cap. Some UFA’s or RFA’s are gonna make some big coin if they deserve it or not.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  132. habfan53 says:

    FRANCOIS GAGNON, GAGNON,GAGNON, and one last time GAGNON.

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  133. Ian Cobb says:

    Thanks! My friend,
    Todd coaches the OHL Kingston Frontenac’s now!

  134. Ian Cobb says:

    Ya! Larry Mavety hired him after Gilmore left or was fired.

  135. matt jordan says:

    its nice to see that Gomez is excluded as well. Thanks for your services Gomer wish you the best.

  136. kempie says:

    Alright, I’m going to try a wild guess here. You’re not right?

  137. Trisomy 21 says:

    whoa whoa whoa he’s 21!

  138. Mattyleg says:

    The Canucks took notice?

    I’m sure they noticed it, but I didn’t see any impact of this on the game. Like I said. Read what I wrote.

    I don’t trust ANYTHING a network that hires Don Cherry, Mike Milbury and PJ Stock as hockey ‘experts’.

    Nor do I trust a ‘poll’ on fighting by a network that glorifies fighting by showing replays of the fights.

    And my ‘complaining’ (read: opinion) often falls on deaf ears because plenty of people only hear what they want to hear.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  139. D Mex says:

    He doesn’t know – he’s just whining.

    Staubitz can skate and maintain an NHL pace. Whether one agrees with having his ‘ skill set ‘ on the roster or not, it’s tough to argue Habs players weren’t being shoved around before he arrived. Kassian was brought onto the Vancouver roster for this purpose – he initiated vs Staubitz last night and was destroyed – period.

    The likes of Burrows and Lapierre are glorified mouthpieces who take note, and govern themselves accordingly. The difference last night was that they waited until the end of the game to act up, knowing they won’t see Montreal again until next season. It’s impossible to calculate the value of an addition like Staubitz but I like it and hope he sticks. IMO, Habs need what he brings.

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

  140. I don’t know. It made me freakin’ crazy.

  141. punkster says:

    Hey Matty, you feed ‘em and they just come back for more.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  142. Mattyleg says:

    First of all, in response to your ‘whining’ comment:
    Please.
    The playground is thattaway.

    We haven’t been less ‘pushed around’ because of Staubitz. It’s a myth that people will be scared of a guy who only plays 5 mins per game, and will only fight against the other guy that plays 5 mins per game. If anything, it’s White that has made the difference, because he’ll get up everyone’s nose and won’t carefully select who he fights.

    “The likes of Burrows and Lapierre are glorified mouthpieces who take note, and govern themselves accordingly.” How exactly did Lapierre and Burrows ‘govern themselves accordingly’ after Staubitz’s fight? Do you consider Burrows charging Price and stirring it up with Campoli ‘governing himself accordingly’? He did this because he was scared of Staubitz?

    I don’t think you read what I wrote.

    And I don’t like your attitude.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  143. boing007 says:

    I agree. What a left hook.

    Richard R

  144. Marc10 says:

    Guys are much stronger and much fitter now and they’re better trained. But unfortunately their heads and necks aren’t getting any stronger.

    That’s what is taking fighting out of the game. Not people and their opinions. Look at Yemmy. He fought once in the KHL and has a plate in his face. He can’t fight again. You’re likely to see more of that as the guys get stronger… and that’s what will eventually lead to a death and the end of fighting.

    Until then, enjoy it. Because once someone dies, you can bet it’s going to be over. Personally, I’d ban it now if I was Bettman… just so I don’t get my name tarred with an unnecessary death that is completely avoidable.

  145. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Agree, as far as fighting goes, I think it should still remain, but the fights like 1 goon vs another should go.
    The fights you get from tempers boiling, or defending your teamate, there cool.

  146. Mattyleg says:

    You don’t see any NHL players period.

    You are not stating facts, you are quoting a ‘poll’ (source?) taken by a network to justify its glorification of fighting.

    How was the question asked? What was the question? In what context was it asked?

    Come on.

    And saying that someone can ‘stop watching if they don’t like it’ has got to be the most juvenile, facile, unthinking, defeatist, pointless kind of ‘argument’ (?) imaginable.

    The NHL dropped the goon show after the lockout because it had become a joke, only nobody was laughing. There followed about 3 years of incredible hockey. Like it had been until the late 90s and Bettman’s One Man Idiocy Show came to town.

    You tell the students out demonstrating that high tuition is just a part of life, and if they don’t like it, they can leave their degrees unfinished.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  147. Mattyleg says:

    To be honest, I was going after bigger fish.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  148. Mattyleg says:

    You don’t understand the situation, man.
    The players decide nothing.
    The only people that will make the decision to drop fighting are the owners who want to protect their assets.

    Unless there is a grassroots movement from the public to put pressure on the NHL.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  149. Mattyleg says:

    My. God.
    Your argument against dropping fighting from the NHL is that “only one person” has died from it?!
    That has to be the weakest argument that I have ever heard, much less imagined could exist.

    Dying when you are doing something that has inherent dangers is not the same as two goons slugging each other in the face on the ice.

    And if you look closely, I am not interested in banning fighting. Never said it. I don’t like two goons that fight against each other when the rest of their teams are trying to play hockey. It’s pointless and a waste of time.

    Watching Iginla go with someone is fine. Seeing PK drop them against another player is great.

    Staubitz? Beh.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
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  150. Marc10 says:

    Guys skiing or snowboarding are taking risks with their own lives, not someone else’s.

  151. You never know for sure that you can argue forever unless you try. Or, get married my friend!

  152. Mattyleg says:

    Ahjeezis…
    (shakes head)
    There is no question of ‘agreeing to disagree’ because you and I aren’t talking about the same thing.

    I’m doing my best ‘be patient’ routine here with you because I know you’re young.

    Let’s have a look at what you consider a ‘disagreement’
    - I started by saying that I hate the ’2 Goons Fighting’ idiocy of the NHL
    -You countered with ‘if you don’t like it, don’t watch, fighting is here to stay’

    This isn’t an argument, or even a difference of opinion. It’s you talking about something that is related to what I’m talking about. And trying to appear to have an opposing standpoint.

    - Then you cracked out some nebulous ‘poll’ by the CBC, with no backing source that says that players want fighting in the NHL
    - I told you that the CBC will certainly encourage players to support fighting in this ‘poll’ because the CBC depends on the glorification of fighting to survive. They hire Don Effing Cherry and Mike Christing Milbury, of course they’re going to support fighting.

    - You came up with an arguement that only one person has died from fighting, so that’s okay, and more people have died from skiing, so we should ban skiing.

    - Uhhh…

    So you see, this isn’t an ‘agree to disagree’ situation. It’s you spouting off a number of half-baked opinons about fighting in general, when my point to begin with was about how two goons fighting has nothing to do with the game and is a pointless sideshow.

    Nothing about stopping PK from dropping ‘em with whoever he fancies.

    God, that took pretty much all my energy.
    This is why I got out of high school teaching.

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  153. Cal says:

    You sure? Please check that birth certificate again, will ya?

  154. Trisomy 21 says:

    Kristo…. Kristo is 21. See how I responded to your post about Kristo getting married, I don’t see why I’d be concerned with your age
    ..

  155. ZepFan2 says:

    I think it’s been tried already. Not a great success.

    Take a look for yourself…
    Argument Clinic

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  156. boing007 says:

    TT’s smile is more like a smirk. And a smug one at that.

    Richard R

  157. Bill says:

    I really wonder what you think you’re trying to accomplish here, bro.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  158. mb says:

    Mattyleg, why even bother? I just ignore him, then I don’t waste my time reading, nor answering his posts. I don’t care how old (or young, in fact) he is, I’m not wasting my time trying to read 10-lines posts without punctuation!

    Good reply, btw.

  159. habsfanforever7631 says:

    ROFL
    Ah man that was funny as hell.

    I agree like 2 goons vs each other is pointless, but when lets say PK and Marchand fight, that’s cool.

  160. Cal says:

    I agree with situational fighting. For example, an opposing player runs PK while Staubitz is on the ice and Staubitz reminds that player why he shouldn’t do that by means of a bare knuckle argument. That’s fine.
    Kassian calling out Staubitz for no reason I don’t like.

    2 goons dropping their gloves when the puck drops at a face-off I don’t like. Staged fights like these should be dealt with by 5 minutes with a 10 minute misconduct and out of the game. A 1 game suspension should follow. The suspension should triple with each infraction. The team should pay a fine that begins at $25K and triples with each infraction of the same nature AND it should count against the Cap.
    Tadah! Meaningless fights gone.

  161. kempie says:

    This guy is causing me to develop a permanent imprint of my palm pressed against my face.

  162. habsfanforever7631 says:

    +1

  163. Habs_Norway says:

    Who are you to judge what is a “meaningless fight” ?
    The two players that fight certainly think its meaningfull.

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  164. TorontoHabsFan says:

    “European hockey is much dirtier with slashing, spearing highsticking and even kicking.”

    Have any stats to back up that assertion?

  165. Adidess says:

    Not sure what the basis is for your rant about political ideology and your name calling. This is an observation. I predict based on trends we’re seeing now and in recent years, that fighting will be eliminated one day and explain it probably won’t be as complicated to end it as one might think. Now, you’re free to say this isn’t the trend you see and hockey’s future directions will unfold differently. That would stimulate a discussion.

    If your conclusion is that I hate Canadian hockey and have never been to a game, well I don’t know where that assumption comes from and it speaks more to your prejudice than addresses the essence of my post. What vast majority are you referring to? Misguided liberal? Maybe you replied to my post by accident and meant to address somebody else?

  166. Chris says:

    “Freedom means majority wins. The *vast* majority want fighting.”

    Polls in both the Canada and the United States over the past decade have actually shown the opposite. The majority do not want fighting to be part of hockey. It isn’t a vast majority, but it is a majority.

    “European hockey is much dirtier with slashing, spearing highsticking and even kicking.”

    Think about the most egregious fouls in the NHL over the past 2-3 decades and then tell me the North American vs. European breakdown.

  167. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Brian Elliot’s Numbers since Jan 1st:

    7W-3L-2OTL 1.40GAA .938 Save %

  168. Bigdawg says:

    He’s having a great year. but that’s only 20 games – not much of a sample size really and many have been that good or better in 20 games. ‘

    Lookit this goalie called elliot – 9.38 over 32 games that’s even better!!

    None hold a candle to Hasek who had over 935 for an entire season – now that is consistancy with a capital C and as good as halak is, he will never have it.

    Price on the other hand…. :)

  169. Habs_Norway says:

    Watch it :)
    When theres no tough-guys around, players take to the cheapshots.
    Causing concussions to my norwegian teams best player, Justin Donati.
    Our policeman- Shay Stephenson- spends more time in the penalty box than on the ice and are now the teams mvp.
    His brother tossed the gloves and got rewarded five games.
    “What?! I thought i got five MINUTES he said..”

    The KHL are implenting NHL rules regarding to fighting this season. Rumours say they will make NHL sized ice rinks and rules.

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  170. Habs_Norway says:

    Fighting will be banned if socialists and humanists get their way.
    “Who would wanna send their kids to a violent sport”..
    I mean, just by saying that… jeezes.
    The metrosexual aspect is killing the game.
    Hockey is a tough-mans-sport. (or atleast it used to be)
    In 2012 thats discrimination against the “non-tough-men”..
    And they are intitled to play as much as any other..
    At least thats what the commies are saying.

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  171. naweed235 says:

    I think you’ll have a big enough sample once you see him skating around the rink with the cup

  172. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …sigh !

    …You put the same Team Carey had in front of Jaro, and Jaro would have similar numbers to Carey …We saw Jaro’s vulnerabilities after the Caps’ & Flightless-one’s playoff series …Jaro is a damn good goalie, as will be Carey, with the right team in front of Them

    …I don’t usually get into being personal with fellow-Habs Fans on HIO, but MA You continuously remind Me of those old 45 records with the scratchy sound and one-song

    …try lettin’-go, try movin’-on MA, …it will give Your hockey soul so much more peace :)

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    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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  173. Furk says:

    Why do you even bother. I think Price probably banged ManApart’s mom, that’s why he hates him so much. I don’t even know why he keeps coming here and brings up Halak’s number.

    Good or bad, we have Price and that’s our goalie of the future, get over it and support him.

  174. HardHabits says:

    That is sheer speculation. Let’s look at the facts. Halak + Blues = elite. Price + Habs = dregs.

    If wishes were fishes you’d cast a nice net and capture a few but they aren’t.

    Look at Halak’s play. His saves are of the save your team’s ass variety.

    Halak is playing light years ahead of Price.

    This is the same Habs team that Halak wrestled the #1 job from Price. And I do believe the Habs would have a better record with both Halak and Price as Halak would have stolen games that Price let get away.

    I wouldn’t like that though because that would have hid all the Habs warts. As it stands the Habs look awful with or without Price.

    If Price gets a penny over 5 million the Blues win that trade hands down. They get the better goalie for almost half the price.

    Habs better start drafting goalies soon.

    @Furk: So you’re saying that ManApart has a mobster as a grand dad?

  175. gauver says:

    I have a son playing Bantam AAA hockey and I can tell you that most parents (i.e. more than 9 out of 10) that I encounter during the winter and spring seasons do not want their son to fight. They also do not relish the thought of their 16, 17 or 18 year old fighting a 20 or 21 year old man in Junior. Therefore, I believe fighting will fade away at Junior eventually and then in the NHL.

  176. HardHabits says:

    The majority of fans. Not the majority of voters. Most people who oppose the fighting are not hockey fans. Watch the movie Goon. It’s no surprise the team is the Halifax Highlanders. Love those initials.

  177. Chris says:

    Most polls break it down between fans and non-fans.

    The only poll I’ve seen where a fighting ban wasn’t supported was a Harris-Decima poll in March of last year, and even there, the majority of occasional/avid hockey fans supported a ban in hockey. It was only when you got to avid hockey fans that you saw any support for it.

    The oft-opined view that fighting is tolerated to attract American viewers is also ludicrous, as poll after poll have demonstrated that Americans are largely turned off by fighting in hockey, even moreso than Canadians.

  178. ZepFan2 says:

    The “guys” were Boone and just Boone.

    He didn’t only write his blog, he also wrote a piece for the paper.

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  179. HabinBurlington says:

    Love the new avatar man!

  180. Bripro says:

    Me too! Who’s that supposed to be? Burke or PG?

  181. ZepFan2 says:

    Hahaha

    Thanks. It’s in honour of some of the posters we have here.

    “Burke or PG?”

    It’s a combination of both. :razz:

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  182. Bripro says:

    It’s gotta be Burke, since it talks….and talks…and talks.


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