About last night …


We must begin, of course, by tackling your Montreal Canadiens’ goaltending controversy.
There is no goaltending controversy.
Carey Price will ride his two-game losing streak into Carolina and start against the Hurricanes on Thursday night.
He is the Canadiens number 1 goalie, for now and for the future.

Was Price at his best in the Canadiens’ 6-3 loss to the Islanders?

Nope. Four goals on the first 17 shots he faced is not going to remind anyone of Patrick Roy or Ken Dryden or Jacques Plante or … the list of goaltending greats is long in Montreal, all the way back to Georges Vézina,  immortalized in the name of the NHL’s puck-stopping trophy.

In the shadow of the Chicoutimi Cucumber, Price has recently been the Anahim Leak.

He wasn’t great … actually, not even good in that crazy Saturday night loss to the Penguins.

In two starts, against the Penguins and Islanders, Price has a goal-against average of 6.00 and a save percentage of .797.

I’ll wait a minute while a significant proportion of the Commentariat looks up Jaro Halak’s stats.

Then we can chew over The Trade and talk about whether Lars Eller will ever be a Top Six forward. And where the heck is Ian Schultz, anyway?

And all the François Allaire wannabes out there can chime in with learned analyses of Price’s glove hand, the speed of his lateral movements and the vexing issue of whether he goes down faster than … well, I can’t think of a metaphor suitable for a family website.

Price is going through a tough patch. It happens.

He hasn’t stolen any games … but he hasn’t had to. The Canadiens have opened the scoring in 17 of their 23 games, including the loss in Uniondale.

If the Canadiens were clinging to eighth place, with a week to go in the season, I’d be worried about Price. But they remain atop the Eastern Conference, nine points clear of a playoff spot.

There’s time for Price to get back in a groove … and for his teammates to recapture the mojo that carried them through a surprisingly strong start to the truncated season.

I don’t think you can hang the loss to the Islanders on Price. In his rather testy and curt postgame remarks, Michel Therrien said Price might have wanted another chance on the Islanders’ fourth goal – a Radek Martinek long shot that appeared to be tipped in front of the goaltender.

But the game was lost, the coach added, by blown coverages, particularly on the two power-play goals the Islanders scored – bringing their total to four PP goals in two games against the Canadiens.

I thought the game was there for the taking after Brian Gionta’s historic goal – the 20,000th in the Canadiens’ NHL regular-season history – brought them back from a two-goal deficit to a 3-3 tie. But momentum had barely settled in on the Canadiens bench when Martinek put the Islanders ahead to stay.

Notwithstanding their 32-24 shot advantage, I didn’t think the Canadiens troubled Evgeny Nabokov unduly.

The David Desharnais line, superb in Boston on Sunday night, was not a factor on the Island. The most impressive forward in a white jersey was 19-year-old rookie Alex Galchenyuk, who made some lovely passes – including the one that set up Tomas Plekanec to open the scoring – and stepped up his defensive game.

P.K. Subban was minus-2, but he scored a power-play goal, added an assist and led the Canadiens with seven shots on goal. It has taken a while, but I think P.K. has become the P.K. we know and love – a fast, skilled and highly dynamic defenceman who strikes fear into opponents every time the puck is on his stick in the offensive zone … the more so now that his shot is becoming more accurate.

As evidenced by the explosion of goals scored by the Penguins and Islanders, the Canadiens are having issues in their own zone. The defence and supporting forwards have a tendency to wilt under forechecking pressure, with the result that Price has faced higher-percentage shots than he was seeing earlier in the season.

The Canadiens miss Raphael Diaz. And Andrei Markov, who is 34 and skating on knees that are 64, probably should not be playing 27 minutes, as he did against the Bruins and Islanders.

The team is taking a physical pounding. The Islanders outhit the Canadiens 25-17.  Matt Martin and Colin McDonald each had six hits. Ryan White, Colby Armstrong and Travis Moen combined for five.

You have to go back to their Feb. 7 visit to Buffalo to find a game in which the Canadiens outhit an opponent. And they lost that one in a Shootout.

The gang on L’Antichambre noted the invisibility of Travis Moen – signed for three more seasons, at $1.85 million per – and agreed the Canadiens could really use someone to help the valiant Brandon Prust.

But the ideal is a tough guy who can play, a Prust clone who’s taller and heavier.

Sadly for the Canadiens, the Milan Lucics and Chris Neils of the NHL do not grow on trees – or pop up on waiver wires.

But let’s not forget that the undersized Canadiens won in Boston on Sunday – due, in no small part, to the courage of Prust and Alexei Emelin.

And it’s not like they were runout of the dilapidated Nassau Coliseum into the cold Long Island night.

Your Montreal Canadiens played badly and deserved to lose.

Carolina will be a chance to bounce back, for the goaltender and the guys in front of him.

• Wonder what the Vegas payout would be on a parlay that combined the Dow hitting a record high, Canadiens’ 20,000th goal and the death of Hugo Chavez?





  1. Danno says:



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  2. DickandDanny says:

    Habs lack size and toughness on the back end. I’ve been saying this for several years and i have to believe MB is a smart enough hockey guy to figure this out. You can’t have a defense compliment of basically the same player, Markov, Diaz, Subban, Kaberle, Weber, are all pretty much the same quality of player based on size and style they play. Gorges and Boullion sort of fit with them to a degree also because neither is any giant and they each play similarly to the other five, skate and move the puck quickly. The only D man who is somewhat like what we need to add to our d corps is Emelin. Rugged and likes to throw his weight around. So, MB decide which parts to keep, Subban and Diaz for starters, and move Kaberle (who has played well and has some marketability right now) and Markov (who has played fair to poor and is too slow) and maybe even consider moving Gorges also, if we can get a player who is 5-6″ bigger than him in return. You know it’s funny, 35 years ago when the avg NHL player was about 5″ shorter and 30 lbs lighter than today’s player we had a giant Defense; Robinson, Bouchard, Savard, Langway, Chartraw, Engblom, and Guy Lapointe was no slouch either. So, now when the players are monsters we have the smallest D corps in the NHL. Does anyone draw from History anymore, or have we all forgotten our past lessons learned? D wins championships and big tough D, and big tough forwards is what is required. Check out the LA Kings last year. Anaheim a couple of years ago, Chicago as well. Or, go back to your 76-79 Habs and check out their rosters. You’ll see we didn’t get beat in the corners, the front of the net, or in the fights back then.

    “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

  3. Ferg says:

    I wrote a few weeks ago about what a wasted season Moen was having. It really is too bad because he could be so much more. He’s big, he can skate very well, and he can play a very physical game. But he seems to have lost all interest, or nerve, not sure which. Such a waste. Imagine the wreckage he could cause if he played with the intensity of Gallagher. Reality is he’s a floater and MT should read him the riot act, and then MB should actively shop him. .

  4. 44har48 says:

    It’s been a treat reading this stuff…oh my. Remember in sports you are rarely ever as good or as bad as you play. Keeping things level and not getting too high or low is a good quality all winners have.

    I’ll take Price being hot in May as opposed to March. He just needs to work through his issues right now and try and keep us in games until he finds his mojo again. He is struggling to track the puck lately.

    Teams are adjusting to us and teams that can fore check will always give this bunch of guys a tough time. It’s the same players we have had and they struggle against good fore checks! Coaching and health do make this team much better than last year, but there is still a long way to go, patience.

    Just enjoy the ride right now, nobody on here predicted it. And one last thing, I am pissed that I was right Moen would play well in another contract year and would disappear thereafter. His history precedes him.

    • The Good Hab-bit says:

      Ok – lets get something clear – even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in while. The no-playoffs isles is among the worst teams in the NHL – they were desperate and they got lucky. Nothing else to say.

  5. mrstewart61 says:

    Subban for Corey Perry or Bobby Ryan?

    If a man speaks in a forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

  6. Mattyleg says:

    Musta missed that, Hamrlik claimed by NYR.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. kempie says:

    It’s frickin unbearable in here today. Good thing guys like Gorges & Markov don’t have a red light behind them and a siren or a fog horn that goes off every time they make a mistake.

  8. Bill says:

    Are the Habs getting away from Therrien’s system the past few games?

    The Penguins game was certainly not their usual, as most of the goals against were wide open chances. Just look at the game winner. Of course, their hand was forced a bit by the sheer talent of the Pens and by playing catchup.

    In the Bruins game they were better, but again the Bruins had more terrific chances than I am used to seeing against the Habs. Budaj played well and had a little luck too, otherwise they lose that one too. I mean full value to the offence, but defensively they weren’t great in terms of quality chances.

    And last night, again, they made a series of bad defensive plays and gave the Islanders just enough rope to hang them with. Price looked off and had little luck, and the Habs lose.

    So three in a row where they didn’t look to be playing their usual tight defensive game. What gives?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Nice glass half empty look but I think they did fine getting 3 of 4 points on the weekend with sub-par defense.

      I think the defense is struggling, period. It happens and it’s up to the coaching staff to get things back on track.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  9. myron.selby says:

    Lots of people complaining about Price not being able to measure up to Roy and Dryden and claiming he can’t win when it counts. I think people tend to view history through rose colored glasses. I can remember lots of games where Roy let in really bad goals – sometimes in bunches.

    And for Dryden (who I loved), just think back to the 1975 New Year’s Eve Red Army game. Montreal owned the puck in that game, outshot the Soviets 38-13 and had to settle for a 3-3 tie. Dryden truly couldn’t stop a beach ball that game.

    Has Price been struggling the last couple of games? Of course. Every goalie goes through it at some point during the season. But to suggest that he is missing some mystical ability to raise his game when it counts – “refusing to allow a goal” is ridiculous.

    Price has a very different demeanor from Roy (he’s actually much closer to Dryden) but that doesn’t mean he isn’t competitive. He just doesn’t make a big deal out of letting in a goal and simply gets ready for the play to resume.

    One of the things I disliked about Roy (who was a great goalie but always struck me as a horrible person) was that it was always someone else’s fault when he let in a goal. I always used to think that his defencemen must have hated him. So many times when the puck went in, he’d be out there yelling at one of them, even when (perhaps especially when) it was a bad goal he should have stopped.

    One of the things I like about Price is that he is so calm. I don’t think it helps the team at all when the goalie gets all worked up after letting in a goal. That’s the time you want the players to settle down and start again, not get all worked up about something that’s already done. And it starts with the goalie.

    • I agree. I didn’t start following the habs until the late 80’s, but I can remember plenty of games where Roy let in a frustrating goal. Or more than one. The point is you don’t rate your goalie as the saviour or the goat after one, two or even three games. You look at it in the aggregate, over a season, or more than a season if there’s promise.

      We all knew going into this season that it was a rebuilding year. Yet, now people are demanding trades after every loss. There are pieces to put in place yet, but Price–and most of the players that keep popping up in must-be-traded-now posts–isn’t one of the movable ones.

      The sprint of this shortened season has finally caught up with most, if not all teams. And if it hasn’t by now, I expect it to soon (I’m looking at you, Blackhawks). I suspect we’ll see more tempered results from here on in, but anything close to the success we’ve seen is a bonus. As an aside, I’m curious to see how Boston’s schedule is going to affect them. As a very physical team, they may face even more difficulties with nearly a game every other day from this point on.

      So, let’s just ‘chill’ and savour our half-full cups of whatever it is we choose to enjoy.


    • boing007 says:

      I’ll stop viewing the past with rose-coloured glasses when the Pricebots stop projecting an unknowable future with rose-coloured glasses.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  10. HabsFan1111 says:

    Three gents who, any of which, would be nice to see in a Habs uni (if memory serves me correctly, all 3 were UFA’s this past off-season): Bryan Allen (ANH), Eric Brewer (TB) & Matt Carkner (NYI). Allen and Brewer are fairly expensive (3.5 & 3.875 cap hit respectively), but Carkner signed a 3 year @ 1.5 per. Imagine, dollar wise, we could have Brewer/Carkner for the price of Kaberle/Bouillon…. maybe some names for MB to look at over the next month.

  11. Wintercount says:

    let me preface by sayin’ i know nothin’ about tending goal, but there’s this in the memory bank.
    jan 2013.
    q. carey what is key for you having a successful season?
    a. without a doubt getting better in the shootout is key!

    i was reminded of the above when regan beat him silly in the ottawa game, he’s not been good.

    think that dented the id, somewhat?

  12. Habsrule1 says:

    All of you coming down on Price should take up baking bread.

    At least you might be good at that.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  13. Chuck says:

    Sooo… has the trade-half-the-team sh*t storm died down in here today, or should I just go away for a day and hope that rational, meaningful conversation returns to HI/O tomorrow?

    Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  14. Mattyleg says:


    TAKE A FREAKIN’ PILL!!!!!!!!!!!


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  15. Rad says:

    Here’s my thoughts regarding possible acquisition of players to take Montreal over the top.

    Try to trade for Ladislav Smid from Edmonton. He’s a good sized defensive defenseman, a character guy who loves to take the body. And he’ll fight too. Would be an excellent pairing with either Subban or Diaz. He and Subban would make an excellent 1st Pairing on the PK, in my opinion. Smid is an UFA after this season, so may be available. If I’m Edmonton though, I’m holding on to him. Up front, make a call to St. Louis to see what the cost would be to acquire Chris Stewart. At 235 lbs. with a mean streak, he is a force to be reckoned with. I think he’s a much more desirable option than Clowe, because he is only 25 and just coming into his prime. Clowe is 5 years older with a lot of mileage on his chassis.

  16. Timo says:

    TSN is reporting the Boston is among the teams scouting for Ryan Clowe.

  17. habsnyc says:

    I ran some stats comparing 29 active goalies who played 195 or more games since Price joined the league. Price ranks 13th in save percentage and 12th in GAA among those 29 peers since 2008. He is 10th in games played and 17th in wins. I ran the stats again excluding Price’s rookie season and his rankings did not move meaningfully. Of those 29 goalies, Price, Tim Thomas and Lunqvist are the only ones to have played in three of the last four All Star games.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  18. portle44 says:

    The issue is more complicated than should Price be benched in Carolina.Far more.Seen pretty much every game that he has played since his debut in Pittsburgh and the sad truth is that,his media boosters notwithstanding,Price simply has not provided any substantive evidence that he is an elite goal tender or that he is seriously on the approach to becoming one.In 2009 and 2010 he lost his job fairly to Halak in March and in both years it was Halak who propelled the team into the playoffs. Price did not win the job back on the ice, but in Bob Gainey’s office. For those who think that he can backstop this team to more than one playoff series victory, which is the sum total of his accomplishments to date,ask yourself after each game,if, on the whole, he outplayed his counterpart or if he was outplayed.If you are honest with yourself you will be surprised at the result.Maybe he should be an elite goaltender in the mold of Roy and Brodeur, but lets be serious here, on most nights he is adequate.On a few he is very good and on too many he spends three periods on his knees and gives up goals that average goalies don’t.

  19. Bigdawg says:

    10GP 3Pts +4….Play ’em!

    Kaberle is doing well. He is delveloping more trade value with every game. With one month before the trade deadline, I say play him more, play him on the PP2.

    if Diaz comes back healthy, we might be able get some value for Kabbey.

  20. adamkennelly says:

    know whats funny – now some of the “experts” are saying Prust needs some help in the muslce dept…why is that funny? cause for the last 2 years – we didn’t even have him and very few “experts” were calling for the Habs to address their complete and utter lack of toughness…but some of us have been calling for this for years.

    We need a real Heavy and we need a big D-man who can fight.

  21. bleedhabs81 says:

    So, i made the mistake of commenting on the yahoo puck daddy article calling out the bruins for diving.

    I recieved an email saying I had a bunch of thumbs up, so I clicked on it just to see and there are two guys there saying they don’t believe Max was injured on the hit by chara and they have no sympathy for him.

    What is wrong with people? When did a game over-rule being a human being?

    Hoping a guy twists his ankle or breaks a finger so that he misses a few games is one thing. Celebrating something that could have been fatal is another and it is sick.

    We have those kinds of fans too, so we can just brush this off as Boston Neanderthalls. People suck.

    • Whatever says:

      Welcome to the anonymity of the internet.

      A fantasy world for the psuedo couragous. Where nameless and faceless people can be anyone they want to portray with zero accountibility.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        Fair enough.

        Name calling and belittling… sure… internet tough guy but cowardly in real life. I get that.

        but a complete lack of respect for human life? and somehow it is acceptable because he plays for the enemy in a game that is inconsequential to anything important in life.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m a good-looking cowboy that works in a top-secret laboratory with supermodels designing cures for all known diseases.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  22. Rob says:

    People need to chill out on all sides. Don’t get so up in arms at fans calling for Price to be benched or traded or whatever. Fans are, by very definition, fanatical. And fanatics sometimes lose their mind (and ability to reason) when things go wrong. Price isn’t going anywhere. A bunch of people who aren’t thinking straight voicing their emotional opinions (or just trolling) isn’t going to change that. Price is one of the, if not THE, best goalies in the league. Everyone who matters knows it. So just…..relax…and enjoy the fact that we have a pretty good team to cheer for again that looks like it could be good for a long time coming!

    The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Just looked outside and indeed the Sky is Falling.

    Just a heads up is all.

  24. bellcentre hotdog says:

    So I’m talking with a buddy about last night’s game, and Price’s struggles, and he rightly points out that even Patrick Roy had off nights and bad games.

    And then we talked about that trade. According to Wikipedia, “In 2004, ESPN called Roy’s trade to Colorado a steal, and one of the worst moves ever made during the first 25 years of ESPN’s existence.”

    Now obviously Price is not Roy. But all this talk about trading Price is simply ridiculous. He is a great young goaltender with huge potential. He just signed a long term deal and it is not time to give up on him.

    A couple bad games does not a career make. He’ll figure it out.

    • lavie says:

      My friend, Price is not even close to Roy’s level from goaltending capability and mentality perspectives.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        That doesn’t mean that Price is crap though. Price is a great goalie.

        If you listen to the people on here Halak was better with his .884 save percentage this year with a much better Defense in front of him

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Timo says:

      It all depends who you get for Price. Trading Price for Malkin or Crosby would be the worst trade ever from the Penguins perspective but great for the Habs.

      Trading Price for another goalie a-la Jocelyn Thibault would be a crap trade but not as crap as Roy for Thibault.

      Price is no Patrick Roy nor (sadly) will he ever be.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      All this price trade talk just shows how fickle this fan base is. Price plays great all year and has a little struggle for a couple of games where our team D was not exactly steller by any stretch and we should trade the ONLY goalie we have in our system. I would say he is top 5 in the league. Last time I checked the habs were a last placed team in the east and this year are near the top. People need to look long term and not day to day.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  25. Hobie Hansen says:

    Get Price a defense with an average size of 6’2″ and not 5″11″ and let him see some pucks and you’ll see what happens.

    Montreal has ZERO, I’ll say it again, ZERO, defensemen that move bodies from his view, on a consistent basis.

    Montreal’s defense is the most passive and tiny in the league and have help up well so far but there will be games like last night until they get bigger and stronger and meaner!

    • The Dude says:

      A big Dman isn’t going to help his glove hand! I’d say he’s got the worst catcher mitt in league which is strange to me because in Europe they play very lil baseball. I said it before and I’ll say it again Carey Price has been figured out and has to change his style of play!

    • The Jackal says:

      I agree, we need a crease clearer.
      But I don’t think the D’s size has really been the issue.
      The problem has been the man coverage and the zone coverage.

      Against intense forecheckers, the D seems to chase instead of cover a high percentage area like the slot. If you saw the game, you can notice that our guys get sucked into going after the guy behind the net and down low and then the guys from the point and circles are left open – we create a lot of space for the other team.

      Our D is not very mobile, unfortunately, so instead of skating after them we need to play a better coverage game.
      I think MT will make the adjustments and we will improve.

      Another issue is our special teams. Our PP and PK are average, and we need them both to be GOOD. The issue on the PK seems to be the same. We keep blowing coverage instead of playing a tight box, like we did last season. On the PP… that I don’t know that much. We don’t seem to create much space for ourselves and can’t keep the puck in at times. I hope we improve soon.

      But hey, we’re a good team and we are finally good 5-on-5, so that’s good.
      I hope we make improvements in all areas but let’s not hope for a big trade just yet, we have the pieces in the pipes.

    • nellis13 says:

      We need to add a big tough stay at home d-man that can clear traffic and kick some ass… and maybe some smelling salts to wake Ryder the f*#* up.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        You know Ryder had 3 well-earned assists last night, right?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    Chicogo’s Stan Bowman tells Brett Hull that Marc Bergevin, of the Mtl. Canadiens, is a large part of the success that the Black Hawks are having this year.

    • Cardiac says:

      And having the drafting positions to get Kane and Toews along with great FA signings like Hossa helps as well.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  27. The Jackal says:

    So glad the team is doing well.
    Other than being glad because its a big improvement, I’m glad because otherwise this place would be unbearable!

    Timo posted below that the team should get behind the fans and win a cup. The fans should get behind the team and cheer them on. Its ridiculous how we throw some guys under the bus after a few games. Price, the bright spot last season is now under attack again. So is our fourth line for no reason. Next is the D. Blow em up!

    Lol. What a bipolar bunch. Just enjoy the ride. This team is good and getting better. From last to first, there is no reason to act like a Laffs fan. We have a history of winning that will repeat itself. Lets not bog ourselves down in misery because we lost a few games or whatever. This team is on its way up.

    • Timo says:

      Jackal, I understand your point of view and I admire (in a way) that you still can find it in you ability to “get behind” these guys and support.

      I, however, look at professional athelets making more in one year than most people in their entire lifetime differently. To me they are tools, assets, commodities, whatever you want to call them – a means to an end. I don’t know them personally nor do I care to and hence it is hard for me to relate to their problems, issues, ups and downs. For whatever cruel twist of fate I find myself wanting this team to win the cup and I don’t care whether it’s with Plekanec and Price or Matt Cooke and MAF… So my take on it is much simpler than yours: “you win – I am ok with you, you lose and you are all a bunch of worthless bums” .

      Different than most here, sure, but that’s how I see them.

      • The Jackal says:

        I get your point, but just because they make that much does not mean they don’t experience the same ups and downs as working people.

        They are some of the luckiest people on the planet, that’s for sure, but they still need to work hard to be where they are. A lot of their game is mental and based on confidence, and part of working as a unit. Being paid X or Y won’t change their performance, that is just a function of their talents being rare and our desire to see hockey this level.

        To me, part of cheering for a team is developing an admiration for the players in it, which makes them succeeding much better. I just don’t think we should be throwing these guys under the bus. Sometimes the criticism is due, but a lot of the time we just jump on a relentless attack.

        In the end they are just trying to win a game for us. Some players don’t really pull their weight, and that shows. But so far this season, the team has put on a good effort and has definitely pleased us a lot more than we expected.

        • alfieturcotte says:

          So you think Price’s perfomance merits being the 3rd highest paid goalie in the NHL? Current year and career stats clearly point that he is 10-15th best NHL goalie. He should have been paid to that level. When folks point this out, you and your Price lovers get all up in arms. Give it a rest. We all want the Habs to win, and all enjoy the ride (both ups and downs).

          I have always thought that Price is great trade bait – many out there (incl Hab fans) subscribe to the fact that he is top 3. He just isn’t yet we are paying him to be elite. Let’s get the contract off the books and get great value for him.

          • Timo says:

            I don’t enjoy the downs.

          • makka83 says:

            Your logic is flawed. Let’s say we trade Price, who’s a better option for us out there? And please don’t say Budaj or any of the AHLers, they are not better than Price. All elite goalies are not tradable. So tell me, who do you want to replace Price.
            If you can’t answer that question, then your solution is dumb and you need to wake up.

  28. alfieturcotte says:

    Top 2 guys I would look to move: Price and Markov. Both have overly generous contracts that they will never live up to.

    • shiram says:

      I was attacked before the season started when I suggested Price would have to play up to his salary. I always thought he could do it, but he needed to prove it on the ice.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        So you think another goalie would do better with the same defense?

        • shiram says:

          Don’t put words in my mouth, I never said that.
          That said I still question Price having the 3rd highest cap hit for a goalie, behind Lundqvist and Rinne.
          I think he can play up to that standard, but he needs to show it consistently on the ice.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            9 on the tension scale shiram :-). Just a question.

          • shiram says:

            Sure just a question, but a baited one.
            To clarify I have nothing aganst Price, his skillset or his latest 2 losses, and I’d have him play Carolina too.

      • alfieturcotte says:

        You should not have been – problem with most Price lovers out there is that they are seeing with the heart not the mind. It was always clear to me that we overpaid for Price (as we did for Markov).

        I frankly would have had no issue keeping Price at $3MM-$4MM/year for 2-3 years and then paying him AFTER he executes. Bergevin made a mistake taking the Subban approach on Subban. He should have reversed the approach to Subban/Price.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    To all the wrestling fans out there, Paul Bearer past away last night. All kinds of irony in that.


  30. The Dude says:

    Yesterday I put out this question to Carey Price’s biggest fans: Would you approve a trade involving Price for a) Crosby
    b)Malkin c)Bobby Lou and Kassian ?

  31. habsfan0 says:

    For better or for worse,Carey Price is the Canadiens’ Number 1 goaltender. IMHO,he has all the physical tools to be an elite goalie in the NHL. He is big,quick,extremely agile..his lateral side to side movement is second to none.
    What concerns me is his mental makeup…does he have the wherewithal and emotional stamina for the rigours associated with a long and arduous NHL campaign and the postseason expectations that accompany being a member of the Montreal Canadiens? Many of his critics maintain that he is too laid back in his composure at times while internalizing his true feelings. Is he a goalie that puts a bad goal behind him(excuse the pun)or does he dwell on it for a protracted period of time leading to other less than stellar goals by the opposition?

    One of the things that made Patrick Roy a Hall of Fame goaltender,IMHO,was his demeanour. He was a marvellous talent,to be sure,but I believe it was his “win at all costs” attitude which played a significant role in his success. He adopted a mindset which,off the ice,was construed as being arrogant and self centred,but on the ice translated into Stanley Cups,Vezina Trophies,and Conn Smythe Trophy Awards. His absolute REFUSAL to be beaten in playoff overtime,despite all the pressures of playing in such a game, led to a record 10 consecutive playoff OT wins in 1993,leading the Habs to their most recent Stanley Cup victory.

    It is this mindset,this arrogance,if you will,that I feel is missing from Carey Price’s game. If he finds it, he can lead Les Glorieux to the promised land.

    If he doesn’t,then he’ll be remembered as another Roberto Luongo,another Curtis Joseph…two excellent regular season goalies who always came up short when it REALLY mattered..the post season.

    • alfieturcotte says:

      I agree – he looks great on paper but where he lacks and he shows this time and time again, is the mental toughness of the elites. You either have it or you don’t. He ain’t got it and we’ve seen too many examples of why he ain’t got it over the years (playoffs in particular). Also, we committed way too much $$$ for him. I say trade him – the amount of wins we get because of Price vs losses because of Price probably cancel each other out at best.

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah trade him, that’s a great idea.
        He has the mental toughness you dunce, every goalie has bad games, from Brodeur to Bryz. I don’t think you know what you’re really saying.

        You’re say his contract is bad, and that the wins we get and losses we get because of Price cancel each other out. You know the D plays games too. You just have something against him, you’re happy when he lets in a bad goal because you get to say you were right in your delusions.

        Price was a big reason we won any games last season, and has kept in some games this season. We’re a much better team now and we actually score goals. Price has not had to steal a game. Understand that.

        Then, the contract bit. Any good goalie will get that kind of money. If Price didn’t sign here, someone else would have given him that money. It’s not because GMs are stupid, it’s because he is a top goalie in a league that does not have many. Supply and demand.
        It’s that simple.

        Troll less.

        • alfieturcotte says:

          Yet again, you show your ignorance and stupidity. You were probably a Gomez and Kaberle supporter.

          Price is getting paid more than he deserves, that’s a fact. get it through your dizzy head.

          Bergevin should have signed him for 2-3 years at 60% of the value he got which is consistent with his numbers. I get paid a very healthy bonus on Wall Street at the END of the year, AFTER results (not prior). Same should have aplied to Price.

          • makka83 says:

            You’re a wall street guy and you come here lecture us on Price not deserving his money. Aren’t you late for your 1pm meeting to detroy the economy? And then remember the seminar or cheating poor people out of their money at 3pm.

    • lavie says:

      Good analysis.
      From Hockey and goaltending perspectives Carey Price doesn’t lack of anything. His problems come from mentality.

    • The Jackal says:

      Good point but ultimately I don’t think it holds water.

      First, it’s a misconception that he chokes. Taking a team to 7 games and OT is not choking. And that was on a team that barely made the playoffs and made it in part because of Price’s play. You’re taking a few bad games this season, versus a tonne of good games, and concluding that he has no mental toughness. It’s just a logical leap that falls short.
      And to defend Lou – the Canucks did not lose because of him, and the games they won against the Buffoons were BECAUSE of Lou.
      These misconceptions about goalies are easy to have because they get a lot of the blame – too much of it. Maybe in your analysis of Price’s performance you can include the D breakdowns that have led to high percentage chances from in close too many times.

      Price will turn it around.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    Apparantly today a campaign begins to help save TSN690 radio in Montreal as an English All Sports Radio Station.

    Here is your chance to help Bell! 😉


    • Cal says:

      I have tried listening to them for months, especially on my way to and from work. The morning show is bearable, but Melnyk’s afternoon drive show is just annoying.
      The other thing that’s funny (and sad, too) is that the SAME people call in time and again, demonstrating their lack of listeners.
      Melnyk seems to think he’s there to discuss old rock bands and baseball in a city with no baseball interest (save for a couple diehards).
      If this is the best they can put on the air in Montreal, it is pathetic. Talk about a team in need of some players, TSN 690 is it.


      • Habsrule1 says:

        Wow Cal…you missed the boat on Melnyk. He’s more than a Sports show and that’s what makes him great.
        I’ve been listening to him for over 20 years and he’s one of the best in the biz.
        It would be so much better if they just talked about the Habs 24/7?
        I also love the morning show. Montreal have some amazing sports people…even the young guys that come in have a great knowledge of all things sports.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Cal says:

          Hate to tell you, but when I am listening to a sports station I want to hear about sports. Not old rock bands. Not politics. Sports. If it was called “Any old subject with Mitch”, I would never tune in to the blowhard.
          And BTW, are there really that many Montrealers interested in listening to endless talk about US college football?

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        His guests include Friedman, LeBrun, McGuire, Ferraro, Nilan, Bill Lee etc. Sorry, I think it is a good show.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • HABSsince92 says:

      I signed the petition……..being in the States TSN690 is my only way to get Habs talk outside of a few minutes on HNIC on Saturdays. I really enjoy the morning show guys, Habs pregame and postgame shows so I hope they stay as is.

      PK please sign.

  33. HAB - Have A Beer says:

    A Goalie is only as good as the team in front of him and it was a weak one last night. The better team last night won. Say what you want. Price did not lose the game. The team did.

  34. commandant says:

    Florida’s latest rash of injuries are causing the Panthers double the pain this season.


    Go Habs Go!
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  35. Mattyleg says:

    Just a word on the Josh Gorges talk:

    I think that good NHL teams realize that character players like Gorges work best in long-term deals.

    My problem with the Habs for the last few years has been their revolving-door policy with reference to 3rd and 4th liners. Those character guys are the ones who will bleed the team colours, and should be the ones who stay long-term because they create an emotional continuity for the team.

    Chris Nilan was that guy for the Habs, and everyone was gutted (especially him!) when he was traded after butting heads with Perron. Chris Neil is that guy for Ottawa – I would hazard the opinion that he is more the face of the franchise to more people than Alfredsson, and he keeps people in line in the dressing room more than the captain.

    Gorges is that guy for us. He is part of the emotional, symbolic core of the team. For years he has been one of our greatest assets, and although I agree with Loon that Therrien’s new system means that Gorges has to adapt his game in order to fit in, cutting him loose because he has underperformed in some fans’ eyes in the first third of the shortened season would be a terrible mistake.

    Gotta hang on to guys like that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  36. Sportfan says:

    Ignoring the names Price, Erskine, Halak and Parros. Who else would you want to move or would you want to get to for a good playoff run?


  37. veryhabby says:

    Very huge Price fan here. And of course we can all see he is struggling right now. Obviously I have no idea what the problem is. The key is for him and his goalie coach to work on it.

    I have rarely seen any hockey player- no matter the position- not go through ups and downs during a season. And this is a down time for Price right now. Maybe the fact that the team isn’t relying on him for wins kind of brought his focus and sharpness down a tad. And a tad is all you need to let in an extra goal or two a game.

    I did notice that when we went thru that stretch of allowing very few shots on net, that that was the start of his little slump. Now you’d think a goalie would love his team only allowing 3 shots in the first period game after game. Ya my 12 yr old son in houseleague loves that…but when a pro goalie has a hot game after facing a large amount of shots, you often hear them say that the large amount of shots wasn’t a problem but instead got them into the game. I am not saying habs should stop limiting shots on net- lol- but got to wonder if that wasnt where the focus was lost by Price.

    He goes down, and just seems to assume the puck will hit him without making the extra effort to move to make the save. I can imagine he is 1Million times more frustrated then the most “I dislike Price” hab fan out there. And he has shown us he has learnt from all his downs in the past. I expect him to rise above it- like all other players do- sooner or later!

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Price is more effective moving around, playing the puck & challanging shooters. The last couple of games, it just seems that he’s down on his knees throughout the game. Don’t know what else to say. Very frustrated for him.

    • New says:

      Goalies doing too much thinking are a problem. They have to forget about the last one and zen out. Price has a real problem this part of the calendar year, has had since junior. All that said the team is the issue. Carey is allowed to flub the odd shot but these shots are coming from nowhere. Players are screening him because they don’t have their man, opponents are being left alone just out of stick range, and the puck isn’t making it out anymore. The team is playing scrambled hockey in their end. When teams begin to do that it isn’t easy to correct and can become a season ending trait. This will be Therrien’s test. Can he keep calm and bring the team back or are they going to panic and everything fall apart? The signs for fall apart are all there. Talk starting of hot opposition goalies, posts, crossbars, blown whistles, loser talk. In St Louis stuff like that goes un-noticed but in Montreal the press picks a scapegoat and rides him to death.

      Going to be an interesting month and a half.

  38. Psycho29 says:

    UNIONDALE, N.Y. — Radek Martinek scored the tiebreaking goal eight minutes into the third period and the New York Islanders handed Montreal its first regulation loss in nearly a month with a 6-3 victory Tuesday night.

    ONE REGULATION LOSS in almost a month; and some posters want to trade half the team.

    Real bright.

  39. Timo says:

    Am I feeling any better about Mr. Thoroughbred being our number one goalie? Nope. Not one bit.

    Reposting this from last night – whoever posted it.


    (Registering a domain just for that – that’s dedication)

  40. Psycho29 says:

    I think that the problem with this team is with alignment of the moon and the stars last night it totally threw their Corsi and Fenwick out of whack.

  41. icky pop says:

    There are no habs fans. Only critics. Get behind your team, and your goalie. Not many people had a hate on for price when he was winning. But he loses a couple, and the axes are sharpened. I am a firm believer that price will take us all the way, and will do so when tinordi is in front of him clearing the crease, and making his job easier. You don’t let Tavares sit in front of the net. Stop looking at stats, and look at plays. The Toronto game for instance. 6 goals, and four of them right in his face. So many goals are scored on him with the player right at the crease. We don’t have a crease clearing d-line. Give price help up front, and you will see how good he can be. He will still have bad nights like all goalies do.

    • Timo says:

      Still waiting for the team to get behind their fans and win the cup.

    • Loonie says:


      He makes the saves on the shots that got by last night the majority of the time and those are saves that even elite goalies(which Price is) let in sometimes.

      Those goals last night are not at all indicative of what Price is as a goaltender.

      His body of work is.

    • wildwilly says:

      It is good to read a post that doesn’t include wild trades and crazy ideas. Thank you for your good sense.

    • veryhabby says:

      anyone else notice what 2 players were lying flat on thier faces right in the slot, in front of the net, when Taveres walked in and scored the 5th goal….it was our 2 Dmen- Bouillion/Markov. Markov fell and Bouillon tripped over him. Both where on the ice flat, when Taveres walked in and scored. Should Price have had that. Well sometimes we just have to admit that a superstar goal scorer will have the upper hand in those situations, on any goalie!

  42. ont fan says:

    So what are the expectations around here for this year? Does MB go into the playoffs as is, maybe a slight tweek? If something comes up at the trade deadline that might set us back a little this year but better for the future, does he go that way? If we only win one round in the playoffs, is it going to be disappointing? Or is this a freebee year, just enjoy the ride!

  43. jmsheehy19 says:

    Have we heard any new regarding the severity of Diaz and Bourque’s concussions?

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    This is where Price rattles of a great stretch of games folks , please relax.

    Just like the game of poker, a good player runs into a cold deck here or there but if they’re a solid player, they keep focused, the Aces and kings will come around.

  45. Luke says:

    To all NHL players, specifically Montreal players:

    Put on the visor.


    • Habfan10912 says:

      You think its time to make it mandatory?

      • Luke says:

        Well past time.

        As I’ve said in the past: I’m shocked an insurance provider has not mandated it, or refused coverage for eye injuries that occur when not wearing a visor.

        • Loonie says:

          The idea albeit stupid is that a visor creates a false sense of security. I’m on the fence about the issue. It’s nothing short of stupid to be on an NHL ice surface without a visor on.

          • Luke says:

            It’s a true sense of security.
            It’s like a seatbelt. 999 times in a thousand it helps. 1 in a thousand someone gets hurt because of it (Koivu).
            I’m hoping Marc Staal doesn’t lose his eyesite because he’s “tough” and a visor “limits his vision”… the lack of a visor may be removing his depth perception for the 60+ of his life.

          • Loonie says:

            I called the idea stupid. We’re in agreement.

          • Luke says:

            Ya, I know… I was just re-iterating my point. This fills me with rage. What a stupid ‘hill to die on’ for the players.
            And the league goes so far as to punish and ostracize the players with the ‘instigating while wearing a visor’ double minor.

            They (NHLPA) defend the Kaleta’s & dangerous offenders. They do not stand up for Richards in the hearings. They refuse to mandate reasonable safety measures for their members. It’s absolutely stupid.
            They wear shoulder pads that are like armor but won’t protect the most vulnrable part of their bodies (the junk excepted).

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Hard to disagree. On a different but related note one of my possible solutions to concussions is an NFL style helmet with cage. Be awful uncomfortable for sure but these head injuries are happening way to often.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      If they don’t like the visor at least some safety eye-wear. I have Oakley safety glasses for work…these guys can’t wear them?

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Sportfan says:

      Agreed its getting dangerous out there. The players need to ignore the people like Cherry and just wear the visor.


      • Luke says:

        Even guys like Prust. Actually, he’s probably more at risk than a guy like Galchenyuk… Prust is mixing it up, sticks get raised, getting knocked down in traffic, standing in the front of the net… shots come whistling in.
        He wants to scrap? Take the helmet off.

    • Sportfan says:

      What they should do is force the rule to wear visors in the NHL. If some older players refuse to wear it then they don’t have to, but lets say players after this season that come in must wear a visor just so therule gets enforced.


  46. Whatever says:

    If it’s any consolation to anyone, Halak had an even slightly worse game last night than Price.

    It happens.

  47. Habsrule1 says:

    Why is it that most of the experts (and most of them not huge Habs supporters) think Price should be on Team Canada next year, and Habs “fans” barely think he should be on the Habs?

    BG made some mistakes but calling Price a thoroughbred was not one of them.

    I like Gorges. He seems to be an excellent leader. I do think he is overpaid, but he rarely makes mistakes. He’s not flashy but I think he helps the team. That said, just like any player, if trading him makes the Habs a better team, do it.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Loonie says:

      Calling Price average is like saying the Kings were okay in last year’s playoffs.

      There isn’t a goalie in the World who consistently stops pucks deflected on net within three feet of him or goes cross crease to make saves on backdoor one-timers.

      Wait there are a couple. Their names are Lundqvist, Rinne, Price and Quick.

      They are the elite goalies in the NHL and they do it more often than not. But because they don’t do it all of the time it’s considered bad play when some of those get by.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        As much as I disagree with some things you post, I agree with a lot too.
        Chances are you’re right more than I am, because you seem to analyze more than I do. just look and make judgments, so I respect your opinion a great deal, despite us not always seeing eye to eye.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • The Cat says:

      How did most of these same experts predict how the habs would do this year? Yeah thats what I thought.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        One has nothing to do with the other. Sad if that’s the best you can do.
        Price is a very good goaltender on, what most believed was a very average team.
        How does that equate to anyone not seeing Price’s abilities?

        Wow…is all I can say…besides what I said above.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • The Cat says:

          All those guys do is go with preconceived notions. They dont know more than any of us.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Ya they do. From reading these posts I finally realize how much smarter they are than…..us.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • The Cat says:

            I said the habs would make the playoffs, they said they wouldnt, how does that make me less knowledgeable? lol Sure they know when a guys injured before I do or we do but thats it, theres no hockey acumen there.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Cal says:

      BG was wrong. If Price was a thoroughbred, he’d be a horse. 😉

    • Jocko says:

      I think you answer your own question by your sam Pollack quote.

      I believe Price is the unfortunate recipient of criticism because of his draft position. I mean, I can remember games where St. Patrick did not look like himself either! There were a lot of suspect goals in his career. For that matter, I have watched a lot of old games and have wondered at times what was so great about Dryden! Look, everyone has bad moments, so be it. It’s unfortunate that a goaltenders bad moments are generally a culmination of his errors and a combination of errors by any number of team-mates.

      I think Clowe would be a decent fit, but who do you trade? This is an area where Bergevin has to be a salesperson. The Sharks have 13 guys under contract next year at 54 mil, I believe. Get the offer in and see what happens.

      I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

  48. habsnyc says:

    Last year Montreal had the 11th best defense. This season, it is the 9th best. I do not think that is a significant change. The team has much more depth on defense and that may be the difference.

    On the other side of the puck, Montreal moved from 19th on offense in 11-12 to 6th this year. That is a big jump. the offense is much more balanced.

    Price ranks first in the NHL in wins, 15th in GAA and 25th in save percentage. Last season, he ranked 18th and 20th in those cateogies. He is winning because the team is scoring goals, not because of a change in the quality of his play from last year. Three seasons ago, Price was first in wins, 7th in save percentage and 10th in GAA. Price has not reclaimed that form for two seasons. He was on the cusp of greatness but has regressed to the cusp of mediocrity. The coaching staff needs to help Price return to his peak performance levels.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      To be fair, this sample size is small. If it was a regular season we would be in November-December. Before Price’s slump, started @ the Pittsburgh game, his save percentage was 0.924 and goals against below 2. Good players have slumps…see DD. It just happens to be the goalie that gets criticized the most I guess.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • habsnyc says:

        Those are fair points. Ironically, the stats favored Price when the sample size was smaller, but as it has grown, his numbers have regressed.

        Many young goalies in the league have regressed. Fleury and Ward were all world at one point. Thre was an era when top goalies were very consistent. Roy, Hasek, Belfour and Brodeur were more even than today’s top netminders. It is hard to figure out why no one has emerged as a conistent top goalie in recent years. Maybe Rinne or Lunqvist wouldl qualify.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • lavie says:

      Good analysis on Price’s stats and performance. Bergevin and Therrien must be serious about this otherwise we won’t go deep into the playoff.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think its important to remember he is only 25 and hopefully he continues to improve. Outside of the 4th goal last night it was more about breakdown in coverage which is really support of your first point about the hab defence. I was especially disappointed in Gorges play. Was seriously considering making the 2 hour miserable trek down there. Glad I didn’t now. CHeers.

      • Loonie says:

        Fourth goal was deflected within three feet of him changing the trajectory of the puck which would have gone parallel to his blocker but wound up on the ice and inward.

        Toughest shot he had all night.

    • Kfourn says:

      “He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts…for support rather than illumination.”
      – Andrew Lang

      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

      • habsnyc says:

        More sensible than quoting a 19th century Scottish anthroplogist to make a point about goaltending.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • Kfourn says:

          My point is that you’re using numbers for the sole purpose of supporting your false point. Just like people saying he doesn’t have the fire, he doesn’t have the emotion. Please, watch the game and come up with something more than he’s 15th in GAA etc, etc.

          Here I’ll even start you off. In the game against Pittsburgh on the game winning goal, although the shot was perfectly placed and he had all the time in the world to shoot, Price was not out far enough to challenge the shooter and he dropped his shoulder at the last second. Because there was no one around for Sutter to pass to, Price should have known to be more aggressive on the shooter…..but by all means continue to prove your points with meaningless stats.

          Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

          “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

          • habsnyc says:

            My point was that statistically, he is not playing as well as two years prior. Therefore the coaching staff should point out to him what he needs to do to return to form.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  49. kempie says:

    Say what you want about Price – yes this is a rough patch, no doubt. But I also have no doubt that he’ll bounce back and, if he’s going to have one of these patches, let’s get it over with now in early March as opposed to April or May.

  50. arcosenate says:

    I think Ryan Clowe is the guy Bergevin should be going after, he’s exactly what Boone was talking about. He’s making $3.6 million this year and is a UFA next.

    At the moment he’s not putting up the numbers but he can play, and he’s tough.

    Maybe that’s the tree Bergevin should be shaking.

  51. Sportfan says:

    I was just on St-Denis and sounds like there is another protest, anyone know which group it is? Cops, Students, Hospital?


  52. Loonie says:

    A couple of points about the team and where I think they should go from here.

    Therrien’s system is obviously all about pressure, we see the pressure with speed in the offensive zone and the pressure with numbers in the defensive zone. The scoring this team is doing isn’t a problem, it’s been great.

    The goals they’ve given up however have been the result of two repeated issues that haven’t been corrected and probably can’t be with the personnel this team has.

    They lose battles on the boards when they have the attacking team outnumbered and they lose battles for positioning in front of their net. These lost battles have lead to attacking players being wide open in dangerous areas around our net and screened and deflected shots from high in the zone respectively.

    For the most part, Subban, Emelin and Markov win those battles on the boards. Subban and Emelin out of physicality and Markov with his hand-eye coordination and nose for the puck as well as anticipation of what the attacking players are going to do. In the case of Diaz who has also been effective on the boards he doesn’t put himself in a position when battling where he can’t quickly get back to the net if he loses the battle. So he rarely gets beat off of the boards allowing a free man to carry the puck to the net or get an uncontested pass to an open man.

    This is where Gorges and Bouillon are hurting the team. They’re engaging physically in battles with brute force and they don’t have the physical attributes to win those battles. They go charging after the puck carrier in the corners and on the walls without purpose. In Gorges’ case he seems to not generate any speed when engaging in a puck battle and in Bouillon’s case he takes a straight line to the puck carrier which affords them an easy out in terms of where they can go with the puck. The result is that both get beat routinely.

    Where to go from here. If the team’s going to continue to play this system those guys need to be paired together if upgrades on them can’t be found in the trade market. Play them together and give them offensive zone starts to avoid prolonged periods of being pinned in their own end.

    Gorges is a shot blocker. In this system, he won’t work out. He’s required to engage physically and come away with the puck, something he’s never been good at. In addition, his game is waiting on attacking players, this system preaches the opposite.

    Time for Gorges to go.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      “Time for Gorges to go”…exactly. We have a glut of 2nd pair defenseman. Josh is replaceable. We need a top 2 defenceman to play 25 min/game with PK. Josh should be used as trade bait to get one. My suggestion was JayBo but I don’t care who it is as long as it happens. After the Cole trade, MB showed he is not afraid to get rid of a contract and Josh has one MB did not give him.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Jocko says:

        I have to disagree. I think Gorges offers a great deal to this team, including pride and grit. He is the type of character guy with enough skill that proves valuable to a team.

        I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

      • nlprejet says:

        Unbelievable!! Trading Josh is like trading the heart on this team.
        I’m glad you’re not the GM because I see Josh as the next Captain if we don’t re-sign Gionta. What do you think??

  53. mdp2011 says:

    I just want to mention that this team came into the season with extremely low expectations, not many thought this team was good enough to be a playoff team let alone be in first place in the eastern conference. Also, this is their first regulation loss in eleven games, picking up a possible 19 out 24 points. Yet, all we are hearing and reading this morning is that this guy sucks, trade this guy, bench that guy, etc… Boy are Habs fans ever picky.

  54. HAB - Have A Beer says:

    I have a few chuckles. The team is not very good when we lose.
    fans are like a light switch.

  55. CF says:

    Hey Mr. Boone, is it possible to research the Canadiens record when Tim “Puke” Peel refs the game. And secondly, what is the differential in PP’s/PK’s in those games??

    Price played and looked slow and bad. I’m not sure if the Ryder trade was great even though we get cap space. Nobody ever knows what was going on behind the scenes, as usual, but Ryder is a good guy who can pass with his right handed shot specifically on the PP.
    We need desperate help for Prust. Can you imagine what we would look like without him?? Well, probably like last year.
    White and Moen help, but we need a heavyweight. Stating that we “won” the game in Boston may not be telling the story. We also got beat up, again. Watching Lucic, Chara, and McQuaid take shots once again at our smaller guys is just too much. Buffalo is 2-0 against Boston for a reason, and it’s because nobody on Boston can do a damn thing about John Scott. I’m not saying we need someone to play 4 minutes a game, but it sure would have helped on Sunday. His name just can’t be BGL.

  56. BJ says:

    I just had this link re. Gorges coming out of the closet this week. I’ve been knee deep in paper work so I haven’t been able to follow the blogs closely in the last days. I don’t know if its real but thought it might be news worthy.

  57. Clutch10 says:

    Man Jonathan Huberdeau is going to be a superstar if he ever leaves the panthers.

  58. DorvalTony says:

    The Pricebots ar the Gazette are right: Carey Price IS the “Goalie of the few cheers.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hey, who put on “Send in the Clown”??

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Kfourn says:

      Thanks for stopping by, see you next month when the Habs lose again. Hope your cave in comfortable.

      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      OH WOW, It’s Dorval.

      Long time now see! Where have you been?

      I assume you only logged on because there was a loss? Right?

      Man, I missed you and all your nonsense. I look forward to your posts today. How many times will you use the name Halak?

  59. ed says:

    Josh Gorges is certainly good at “taking the hit” this year. He is getting absolutely clobbered out there, by every team, at least once every period.

    I mean some bone crunching hits that make me wonder if he will be able to get up and skate back to the bench afterwards.

    It is taking too long for Gorges to get to the pucks on the boards and too long for the puck to leave that area. The forecheckers have become faster, bigger, and I would say that Gorges would do well to pick up his speed of play, if he can, or he will not last this season.

    If this keeps up, Gorges will be the next Hab injured, I’m sorry to say.

    • Strummer says:

      Seems our $4 million shot blocker may be absorbing a few shots too many.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Good post. Gorges plays defense like a rag doll. Plays in top 2 defenceman roles when he clearly is not a top 2. Habs need a top 2 defenceman. They’re waiting for the kids in Hamilton but they are missing one in the meantime. Would have been McDonaugh….thanks Bob!

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Get over it dude.

        In other news, the Habs traded Patrick Roy.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          That’s what my psychiatrist says… 🙂

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Two years ago there was a wide spread outcry at the thought of not re-signing Gorges. In fact, I commented at the time about the amount of ink that was being spilled for a decent, but easily replaceable player.

      Last year he was a hero (and almost made me retract my previous assessment)

      Now he is a favourite whipping boy.

      Maybe we could find the middle ground which is closer to reality.

      Last year he had a great year on a bad team, this year he is having a bad year on a decent team.

      Hopefully he returns to the median, the slightly overpaid median.

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