About last night …

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Now it can be told.
Last Monday, I got a phone call from Bar Refaeli.
“Hey, how did you like my Super Bowl commercial?” the famous super model asked.
“Hey,” she added, “I’ve rented a beachfront cottage in Aruba for the beginning of May. “Why don’t you come down and hang out?
“Bring your friends Pat Hickey and Dave Stubbs. I’ll get another couple girls from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit shoot and we’ll party.”
“Thanks for the invite, Bar,” I replied. “But the Montreal Canadiens are 6-2 on the season.
“Hickey, Stubbs and I are going to be covering the playoffs in May.”


Can we go to Plan B for Bar … or for barf, which is the only reasonable gastro-intestinal reaction to the Canadiens’ worst and most embarrassing home-ice loss in 16 years.

Dec. 23, 1996. Ottawa 6 – Canadiens 0. That team finished the season at 31-38-15 for 77 points. That was good for eighth place – and a first-round exit against top-seeded New Jersey.

The team a national TV audience saw on Saturday night will not be playing hockey in May.

From the moment Alex Galchenyuk lost the first game-opening faceoff of his career, your Montreal Canadiens were outhit, outskated and outhustled.

They were also outscored, outfought and – by a ludicrous 48-23 margin – outdrawn in the faceoff circle.

And if getting a team ready to play an important hockey game is a coaching responsibility, the Canadiens were outcoached … by a lot.

The phone-in shows I listened to while stuck in a crazy 11 p.m. traffic jam on the way home focused on all the idiocy that unfolded during the third period: Mikhail Grabovski biting Max Pacioretty, Colton Orr sticking out his leg to injure Tomas Plekanec, Josh Gorges valiantly trying to fight Frazer McLaren, who held the Canadiens defenceman at arm’s length and laughed at him.

Second-guessing will include suggestions that Ryan White would have helped against Team Truculence. And Peter Budaj should have played the final 20 minutes.

Fair points. But problems revealed over the last three losses run deeper than game-to-game or period-to-period personnel moves.

As has been the case in recent seasons, your Montreal Canadiens are a small and, Brandon Prust notwithstanding, soft hockey team. And their next home game is against the Flyers.

But the Canadiens didn’t lose to the Leafs because they were outmuscled and/or intimidated. From the moment the puck dropped and Grabovski won it back to his blueline, the Leafs were faster and hungrier.

Randy Carlyle and his staff looked at video of their opponent’s losses to Boston and Buffalo and drew the obvious conclusion: Hustle, hit, pressure the Canadiens on the puck and they will wilt.

That 6-2 start had Montreal fans pinching themselves and wondering whether it was a dream. And now that the team has lost three straight to Northeast Division rivals, the dream threatens to become a nightmare.

The Tuesday night game in Tampa Bay will tell the tale. If the Canadiens don’t show up against the Lightning, this season could head south in an awful big hurry.

But hey, it’s a vintage draft year.

Nathan MacKinnon would be an upgrade on David Desharnais. Seth Jones is better than Tomas Kaberle.

And Jonathan Drouin would help us forget Erik Cole.

Cole epitomizes the Canadiens’ sudden descent from the early-season penthouse to outhouse. The guy who scored 35 goals last year is in a funk and looks like he doesn’t care.

We could reverse his jersey number and have Erik Kovalev … except Galchenyuk is trying to bring honour back to 27.

And he will. Galchenyuk is the future of the franchise, along with Brendan Gallagher, the big-hearted kid who went down swinging against Toronto; Carey Price, P.K. Subban, Raphael Diaz, Max Pacioretty and, maybe, Lars Eller.

Plekanec is a player. So is Rene Bourque.

That epic butt-kicking and the previous losses revealed, however, that  a few players may have skated past their Best Before dates: Cole, Colby Armstrong, Travis Moen and – I hate to say it – Andrei Markov and Brian Gionta.

On the play that led to Leo Komarov’s goal – the game-winner, 59 seconds into the first period – Markov could not stay with Nikolai Kulemin.

The captain still plays hard. And good for Gionta going after Orr on the Plekanec hit. But Gionta is on pace to score eight goals – the total he managed in 31 games before an injury ended last season for him.

But look, my Bar Refaeli fantasy aside, I didn’t consider the 6-2 Canadiens a lock for the playoffs.

They are a work in progress.

And that 6-0 pasting might not be the last bump on the road back to respectability.

The last word, from a really pissed-off fan: The only thing left for the Leafs to do is **** the Habs’ wives.

One more time, Mike:


  1. ZepFan2 says:

    After that bitch slap last night I needed something to make me smile.

    Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/5uc8pvo

    Kid’s got good taste in music. 😉

    Ka is a wheel.

    For Your Life

  2. habfanacrossthed says:

    If could play HC for a day next lines against TB would be:
    Bourky Pleks Gionta
    Pacioretty Chucky Gally
    Leblanc Eller Cole
    Prust DD Moen/Armstrong

    Gorges Subban
    Emelin Markov
    Bouillion Diaz
    DD, Cole, Markov, Gionta, White should be traded for max potential return. Markov has been the better Habs defenceman. Only one i would like to keep out of the 4. Gionta could easily be replaced by the emergence of Gally. Cole has packed it in. All the DD lovers keep lathering yourself up in DD butter. Minus minus minus, can’t conver centers and keeps getting the wingers. Give Chucky his wingers or shit even Eller or Leblanc.

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  3. commandant says:

    This team is what it is.

    Not as good as a 6-2 start

    Not as bad as a 6-0 loss either.

    They will finish somewhere between 7th and 11th in the conference.

    Stay the course. Keep rebuilding. If you can move a guy like Kaberle or Weber, do it.. .but no need to blow up the roster, keep playing the youth and rebuilding with Prospects and picks.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Habfan17 says:

      I disagree, not making the moves when they should have is what has hurt the Flames. Moving a few aging veterans with value at the deadline is not blowing up the team.

      No one should hold the illusion that this is a team needing a few tweaks to be competative. If they want to be competative for the long haul, they need to move players that will not be around once they are and who will bring pieces that will be!


      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        It is too early to give up. However, which veterans can we really trade? Markov is the key to our power play and a leader (maybe next year’s deadline?). Gionta has a no trade clause and is the captain. The only I can think of is Cole and he has suggested retiring. Maybe Moen but who wants that contract (1.9 million for a fourth liner…)?

        I like our kids and can’t wait for the next draft. With all those 2nd round picks maybe the Habs will move up like they did with Tinordi? Next training camp will be interesting…

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        7 – 11 is a pretty big range lol. Still think Desharnais has earned more minutes than Eller?


        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  4. gumper says:

    It’s a beautiful day here in Southern Ontario. Forget and move on. Forget and move on. Forget and move on.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  5. habs12 says:

    what a save by Howard

  6. Hobie Hansen says:

    I can’t remember the exact term that Bergevin used on the 24/7 Habs reality show? He was in the dressing room and sternly told the team that last year was unacceptable and they’re basically on watch in terms of their value to the team and their performance.

    It will be interesting to see if he makes a move immediately or waits until the next losing streak. Or if he completely stands pat and waits until the deadline or off season to either add or unload players.

    It’s pretty obvious we need more size and toughness, not just fighting toughness either. Desharnais is simply not getting it done. Montreal down the middle is tiny and/or too passive. Plekenec is the best we’ve got by a country mile, at the moment, but he’s not the largest guy around. I already mentioned Deharnias who’s tiny. Eller looks OK on occassion but he’s not exactly crashing in on the forecheck and using his size. And Galchenyuk is one day going to be a strong centerman with size but can’t be expected to blast off for a while longer. So Montreal is basically without a single centerman who is big, talented and tough.

    And then there’s the problem of not having a legit enforcer. Moen, Prust and White are all light heavyweights. Great guys but one of the three should be a heavyweight, if the team were constructed properly. Bergevin knows this and will eventually fix this and hopefully it’s sooner rather than later.

    And we all know how small the defense is…

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree with everything in your post except for your observations on Eller. He has been hard in on the forecheck and has been hitting the right way, not trying to put guys through the boards or taking himelf out of the pay to make the hit. he has been the best on face offs and has been strong in the defensive zone. His stats are solid.


      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I think we’ll see Eller between two good players when the team hits the ice next. He’s really got to start producing in more ways than one for the team’s benefit and to assure his future with the team.

        I’d like to see him play with two big wingers like Pacioretty, Bourque or Cole. They won’t take Bourque away from Plekenec though..

        I had thoughts of Eller really stepping up this year, prior to the season, but I’m losing my confidence in him. The jury will really be out on him if he doesn’t excel with a pair of good wingers.

        • ed lopaz says:

          I think Eller has been one of our best forwards this week. I know Therrien said publicly that he has much more confidence in hm and I think you will see Eller with Galcheyuk and Gallagher for the game in Tampa.

          I think that’s an excellent 3rd line.

    • Habfan17 says:

      His pints may not look great his contribution is every where else. It os hard to put up points playing on the 4th line and the penalty kill.


    • ed lopaz says:

      many teams are relatively small at center and not much bigger then us. Boston and Philly come to mind. They are supported by tough wingers.

      The game was lost, in my opinion., because guys like Markov, Cole and Gionta left their best games in the room.

      If the Habs get top performances from Markov, Cole, and Gionta, this is a completely different team.

      2 weeks ago everyone was posting how great Markov was; I remember one post where the poster went on and on and on about how Markov showed Habs fans what a “real” number 1 defenceman looks like, and how Subban could never be expected to reach that level this year.

      2 weeks ago Cole was in a small slump to start the season, but he was our best scorer last year and everyone expected him to come around – he is a slow started every year.

      if this team gets top notch hockey from those 3 vets, then we can play with anyone.

      if Markov, Cole and Gionta are over the hill, and finished, we will be a lottery team.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I remember that post too. It may have been a little premature. What I observed the last few games is a player that still makes the right decision, but the speed to execute is not there. It may be due to overuse. I don’t see why they can’t cut his minutes down to 19 or 20. It may get him back up. It also could be he has lost enough of a step makiing him easier to play against.


      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Boston is a lot bigger/stronger/talented than Montreal down the middle. Bergeron is big at 6’2 and is an amazing two way center. Krejci is 6′ and like you mentioned is surrounded by big forwards. Seguin is 6’1″ and is super talented…

        • ed lopaz says:

          Bergeron is very similar to plekanec as a 2 way center. In fact, plekanec is much faster, and both play all 3 zones and are very smart. Krejci might be listed at 6′ but he’s not a big center by any stretch of the imagination. Seguin is quick and has great hands, but he’s not a big center nor does he play big

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            My point is when you add everything together Boston is much better at the center position. I’m not saying they’re better only because they have an inch here or there. Montreal has maybe one impact player at that position, currently. Some of Boston’s best players play center. We are thin in more ways that one at that position.

      • New says:

        The players you mention have all been around for a few years. Playing 5 games in 8 days is tough on them. They look ok in the first set of back to back, then bad in the next set, then horrid at home on Saturday.

        The Canadiens rushed out the gate. Their wins depended on getting there first with the most.

        They are beat right now. The feet aren’t moving. The PP is to get the puck to Subban and frankly no one wants to be in front of wild shots winging towards the net or vicinity except the goalie. Like Ian above they just don’t GAF right now.

        You don’t know how people react until you see them when they are tired and stressed. This gives Bergevin and team the chance to see them when all the odds are against them, including homer refs calling last second fouls as goals. They get to see who is mentally tough and who just talks the talk.

  7. ed lopaz says:

    how about we all throw a couple of Toonies in a hat and put together a collection to pay for Yannick Perrault to be hired as a face off specialist?
    Or, another idea I had, maybe Bar could give the pre-game pep talk instead of Therrien?
    if we could get Perrault for face offs and Bar to help rally the troops, I think that combo could serve this team quite well.

  8. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Toughness issues aside, what is going to be done about the face-off situation? That is what is killing the Habs the most. Speed is useless if you do not have puck possesion. Also, pressure can’t be sustained if you’re always chasing the puck. This will be difficult for MB and MT to solve..

  9. HardHabits says:

    Embrace the Rebuild™. Embrace the Tank™.

  10. mksness says:

    Lots of over reacting after last night. White should have been in the line up instead of armstrong in my opinion and moen should be told he’s here for his muscle and not to be a scorer. he needs to step up and help out the young guys and protect our other players. Prust can only do so much and i worry that prust will be injured soon if he continues his pace of dropping the gloves once a night.

    Basically montreal has to watch out with the defence pinching too much. might have caused about 3-4 goals last night. Price was kinda hung out to dry but at the same time if he manages to make maybe i or 2 huge stops maybe it energizes the team and gets them going. he’s a 6.5million man now and he’ll have to be super human some nights as he’s our star.

    • 4loorplay says:

      White was the reason ottawa turned the game and white was reason buffalo turned the game.

      Nirvana is earned…

    • DAVE. N says:

      IMO the Habs don’t need White in the lineup, doing what he is doing. I appreciate his energy, but to be candid, his talent would be appreciated if he instigated a penalty, or at least took someone else to the penalty box with him. As he is playing now, he’s a bigger liability than an asset.. As for Moen, hell ,no one else scored last night, so IMO he did as well as any other player.
      I’m not sure if you and I saw the same game. That defense wasn’t pinching….it was too damned busy getting out of the corners in a panic because of a team that forechecked and wanted that game. The Habs didn’t.

  11. SmartDog says:

    My top 3 concerns about this team:
    1. Toughness. We added toughness but have lost each of the last 3 games to it. We’re not tough enough.
    2. Aging Veterans. Watching Markov get easily beaten (and Markov was playing during the lock-out) and seeing Cole look weathered and tired, Gionta on-and-off from game to game. This team relies on too many guys who are long in the tooth.
    3. Price. Without Price playing lights out, we’re dead.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • 4loorplay says:

      Markov has not played really for 2 years…has to have slowed a tad…last 2 losses before last night had to effect teams mind and not for the better.

      Nirvana is earned…

    • mksness says:

      did we lose due to lack of toughness? game only got out of hand after it was 4-0… i don’t buy it.

      montreal lost because they played like shit not because they lost a few fights.

      • 4loorplay says:

        They lost because they played as if they were not interested.

        Nirvana is earned…

      • Strummer says:

        They lost on the first shift last night.
        Sloppy defensive zone coverage.
        Leafs didn’t start any togh guys on the opening shift.

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • otisfxu says:

        They played like shit because they were face first into the boards all game . That’s what we mean when we talk toughness. Nothing to do with losing fights.

        • Strummer says:

          Then explain the opening shift.
          where were the Leaf tough guys?
          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • SmartDog says:

        They were out-hustled and often out-muscled. Toughness doesn’t mean fighting. It means being stronger and more physical.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      1. Need another tough D-man. With Frankie B acquisition, team obviously waiting for Tinordi.
      2. Right on. Imagine if Gally and Chucky were not on the team…ughh
      3. Same story every year…

      • mksness says:

        watched tinorid a few times this year… he’s pretty slow not sure he’ll be the saviour you think he’ll be up in the bigs.

        • Strummer says:

          Hal Gill was no speed demon but his reach was effective in our zone especially on the PK

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • mksness says:

            that’s very true. but you need to have speed in my opinion to play in the league. i’m just not sold on tinordi being fast enough. i only watched him in a few games so i’m no expect but still just my view on the guy

  12. Rightwing says:

    PK Subban is the best talent ever for defeating a team concept.

    Hello PK.

    So long playoffs.

  13. RockinRey says:

    Anyone know how to upload and Avatar? I did find something about gravatar but could not upload anything.

  14. Mr. Biter says:

    Interesting that it seems many posters wanty to get rid if Diaz, Plecks and Markov (and I’m still pissed we did not sign Wiz) but they are our 3 leading scorers. Good teams unload players who are not scoring.BTW Borque (and i can’t believe this) is our 2nd leading scoring forward. Cole has really been dissapointing and so DD and Max’s numbers are down.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  15. SmartDog says:

    Folks, bad losses happen. And they become a wake-up call for a) players who aren’t playing up to speed and b) a coaching staff who didn’t prepare their team well enough and/or who learned something about certain players and team chemistry.

    IF the wake-up call works – the team gets better. If the wake-up call doesn’t work and in a few more games the same people are asleep at the switch…. THEN the GM makes changes.

    Cole isn’t going to be traded because of this. Gionta is not going to hand the C to Gorges. PK won’t get packaged and traded to Colorado. Moen won’t spend the rest of February in the press box for being captain of the ‘do nothings’ last night.

    But we saw – and Bergevin saw – who well the team was or wasn’t prepared, who gave it their all and who didn’t. But let’s not go all knee-jerk on this. I for one watched the whole game because I wanted to see what would unfold. For the same reason I’ll watch the next few games to see how the coaches and different players react. But the difference between this year and previous years is I have faith that good decisions will be made down the road. Bergevin isn’t perfect – no GM is – and teams take time to fix. But I believe that he REALLY wants to win and that he sees things clearly. He’s dealing with a lot of inherited baggage and so far has made mostly solid and positive decisions and moved things in the right direction.

    Give the team a chance to react. And Bergevin time to digest, watch and decide. It’s a marathon not a sprint. We’re not a contender this year… I don’t want to see any more trades made to try to make Molson more money now at the cost of our future. Do you? There are lots of aging guys out there who teams would love to get rid of. Do you really want some more (cough-Kaberle-cough) knee-jerk trades?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  16. jrshabs1 says:

    I just stole this from TSN…
    Leafs’ Leo Komarov asked about getting under Montreal’s skin: ‘I didn’t have to do anything today. It was 6-0 so easy game for us.’

    pretty much sums up the game. Spoken by a player that I’ve never heard of before… Leo Komarov. Leo F’n Komarov.
    Nuna was right people..Nuna was right.

    Go Habs Go!!

  17. TommyB says:

    Just a note regarding sending Galchenyuk and Gallagher to Hamilton for more seasoning……Do you really think playing the rest of this season in Hamilton is going to prepare them to come in and take their place in the Habs lineup next fall? They are exactly where they should be. Learning on the job in the NHL during a make-believe mini-season has to be better for them than playing out the rest of the year in the AHL. Neither of these kids is going to learn anything more in the minors. Does it hurt the Habs having them in the lineup? Reading posts on here, it seems that some fans do think that. So, did you think the Habs are a playoff team without these two? And they would be replaced by whom? Better yet, did you think they Habs were a playoff team this year before their quick start? Or was it the quick start that gave you that impression? And if so, do you not think these two kids were contributing factors to that quick start?

    Whatever the Habs are this season, they are better with these two kids on the roster, IMO. Four game winning streak and Habs fans are dreaming of the Cup. Three game losing streak and it’s all over Rover.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Galchenyuk and Gallagher are probably the 2 biggest reasons to watch the games.
      Great kids. We’re lucky to have them both.

    • neumann103 says:

      I thought they can’t send Galchenyuk to Hamilton, under the terms of the agreement with the Junior hockey leagues. The options were keep him with the Habs or send him back to Sarnia.

      Edit: Is this not true as long as they start burning a <20 year old player's Entry level contract?

      "Et le but!"

      • commandant says:

        Its still true, and the contract is now burnt even if they send him to Sarnia.

        Go Habs Go!
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      • TommyB says:

        Doesn’t matter in the context of what I am saying. Send one to the AHL, one back to junior. Where they can be sent has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I’m sure someone here can answer your question, though.

        • neumann103 says:


          I wasn’t trying to be a pedantic nitpicker (and I did understand that the first year of his ELC was burnt by the time he started his 6th NHL game) but I did expect that the “seasoning” he might receive in Sarnia vs Hamilton might be relevant to your point. eg I think it is fair to say that Galchenyuk has nothing more to learn in the OHL. I expect an argument could be made that he could learn in the AHL (eg playing first line minutes, getting used to playing against men with lower stakes, etc) but that is not even an option, so the choice is pretty stark.

          I still think keeping them both up was the right decision anyhow.

          “Et le but!”

          • TommyB says:

            I was just trying to emphasize my point that both are better off with the Habs, regardless of what other choices there could be for either of them. Maybe getting destroyed by the Leafs has put me in a crankier mood than I realize today. Anybody got a Snickers bar?

    • boing007 says:

      Send down the underachieving veterans and bring up some younguns. Edmonton’s been playing younguns for four years now. At least they’re an entertaining team to watch. As opposed to what we saw on national TV last night.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      No, no. Don’t you know the mantra? We absolutely ruin young players when we bring them up too early. Like PK, Price and Pacs.

  18. 4loorplay says:

    Message to MT….great way to send a message to your players is a reality check. Next few away games put them on a bus like any minor league team.

    Nirvana is earned…

  19. HardHabits says:

    Anybody think Burke is a blowhard now? Well yeah!! Burke is a huge blowhard. A huge blowhard who got it right. While Gainey and company were drafting small and supposedly skilled players the Leafs were stocking the cupboards with truculent players capable of skating, hitting, scoring and arse whooping.

    It will take more than season to change the culture of impotence and mediocrity that has been the Habs. It could take a few years.

    Suffice it to say the Tank™ is ready to roll.

  20. ed lopaz says:

    I would like to share 2 observations.

    1) when the game was still close, I believe 2-0, Price made a save that hit him somewhere and it hurt him. The camera got in close and showed his eyes rolling back; he was in pain. I think he has been hurt for a while. I believe it is a hamstring injury and I believe that he feels the pain on certain saves but not all the time. That might affect him and the team going forward and would explain why Budaj got another start this week against a division rival.
    If Price is hurt, I would have certainly considered pulling him at 4-0 after the second period was over.

    2) again, we were down 2-0. Eller centered Galchenyuk and Gallagher and they had a very good shift which forced the leafs to ice the puck. No change of lines allowed for the leafs and a face off in their zone. Why would Therrien send out the 4th line to take that faceoff? Moen, Prust and Armstrong? Seriously? lost the draw, 3 seconds later the Leafs were changing. We were still in the game at that point and this could have caught the Leafs tired and defending in their zone.

  21. Mike D says:

    Ahhhhh yes. Nick Petrecki: our Moby Dick

    Gimme a f—n break.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  22. otisfxu says:

    Regarding PK, I have been a booster all along, glad he has signed etc, however, anyone like me? – didn’t really see him step up last night when the tough stuff started. Not expecting him to be Chris Nilan, but for all his yapping and cockiness, this was the place to do a little more,
    He’s a big boy, at least get your nose in there, grab omeone and toss him around. Twice I saw him standing away like a small swedish forward would do,,,,,,,bugged me a bit.

    He is really the only guy on that defense that would have any chance in a scrum, yet didn’t show up.

    When Nadri is running guys, you know he knows he has someone backing him up. Habs missing that right now.

    • piper says:

      That is definitely one part of his game he needs to change. But your right about Kadri playing a lot tougher with the guys in the TO lineup.

    • ed lopaz says:

      actually Subban did challenge a leaf to fight earlier in the game and the leaf skated away. The cameras on RDS showed clearly that Subban was ready to go behind the play and it was the Leaf that would not fight.

      • otisfxu says:

        I doubt if it was Orr, McClaren, Phaneuf he was challenging. Come on, three years in the league – does he have a major?

        • ed lopaz says:

          you want Subban to fight those guys? why? so he can get his head beaten in? Subban is actually a talented hockey player, not a fighter. You know that right?

          • otisfxu says:

            you miss my point – somebody has to . I’m just saying someone has to step in at some time. It’s not about fighting, it’s about jumping in and at least show some sort of balls. The team needs a combination of skill and toughness – or all the skill gets embedded in the end boards.
            Don’t forget PK has been known to throw his weight around – I’m hoping he just isn’t a cheap shot artist – picks his spot to nail someone when they least expect it. Talented or not he does like to knock somone down. I’m saying if you do that, you should do it all the time.

            As I sad originally, I just don’t like the way he plays the gaame right now

          • boing007 says:

            PK should have spent his summer in the Point, at one of the boxing gyms.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • otter649 says:

          If you followed The Habs even abit you would know the answer to that question…..

        • HabFab says:

          This is officially dumb ass comment Sunday!

        • Strummer says:

          i remeber PK clobbering Lupul on the Leafs and after Lupul whined he got beat because he wasn’t ready.

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • HabfaninTO says:

      MT has been out coached badly in the last week or so.
      Not sure what his preconceived plan was but he better stop and learn to adjust on the fly.
      This NO DOUBT 100% a young mans league…so stop saying you are protecting these kids…from what higher expectations.
      Lets continue to have them supported by guys who should be third liners and let them have expecations lower than low….want to hurt up and coming kids confidence have them continue to play behind these slugs.
      Top lines in whatever conviguration you want have to be Pleks,Patches Gallagher Galyenchuk Eller and surprisingly Bourque no if ands or buts.
      This is far from a contending club everyone is aware why candy coat it with tired vets….we than fans would rather lose with effort but the fact is all the excitement generated in the fast start were by the players mentioned.
      Most everywhere in the league Cole and Gionta are third liners thats where they should be here.
      Far from a difference maker but he would give you effort is there a reason why Mike Blunden can’t get a few games are the sweaters not big enough to fit him…just wondering.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      PK is obviously playing safe. I think his reintegration into the team has affected his game…especially his agressivemess. He had a Leaf lined-up in the 1st period and he pulled back at the last second. Last year he would have creamed him. This team is still a work in progess…

  23. Question???? Has any team claimed from SJS……. Defenceman 6′ 3″ 230 lbs Nick Petrecki Yet? Cap hit $650,000. MB should be watching very closely.

    Trade Raphael Diaz & Yannick Weber to Col for Shane O’Brien. Cap savings of $75,000.

    What would it take to get one or more of Ryane Clowe from SJS
    , Mike Rupp from Min, Steve MacIntyre from Pit & Ryan (Purse Snatcher) O’Byrne from Col.

    Habs needs to offload Gionta, Cole, Deharnais, Boullion, Armstrong & Kaberle for Picks or trades.

    Bourque – Plekanec – Clowe
    Markov – Emelin

    Pacioretty – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
    Gorges – Subban

    Prust – Eller – Rupp
    O’Brien – O’Byrne

    Moen – White – MacIntyre

    MB get er done!!!

  24. hab fan in leaf jungle says:

    I would prefer that the Habs not make the playoffs this year. This is one of the richest drafts in a decade for talent. As well, any one of the 14 teams who miss the playoffs are able to draft first overall as they all go into a lottery and will be selected 1-14. There are at least 15 solid players in the first round. Some pundits say that a #10 from this year’s draft could have been a #2 or 3 from previous years. Remember that Pouliot was drafted 4th overall and what a bust he is. There is no benefit to finishing 8th in the East and losing in the 1st round to Boston or New Jersey/New York. Pittsburgh drafted in the top 5 for a few years (Malkin 2nd, Fleury 1st, Crosby 1st, Jordan Staal 2nd, Ryan Whitney 5th) before they became contenders. You can’t draft in the top 5 just once and expect to be contenders. Tank it Habs Tank It.

    • H.Upmann says:

      Totally agree. This truncated season is not worth the effort just to squeeze into 8th and a fast exit. Just give the young guys time, try trading some of these big contracts for whatever just to clean house a bit. Rebuild our offense through the draft. Gawd spring cant come soon enough and this softness and floating needs to end.

      • piper says:

        i agree 100%. get some picks and prospects. Gainey’s and Gauthier”s quick fixes don’t work. Pittsburgh is going to be very good for another year or two then look to Edmonton to be the next power house. Rebuild now and try to be next in line.

      • boing007 says:

        Sure, then we can speculate and fantasize about how so and so will be an important player for the Habs in five years time.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  25. 4loorplay says:

    My take on last night…

    Could it be that the starting line upset the egos of the reg #1 line?
    Since the return of subban has our defense gotten worse by not being simple anymore?
    Just maybe the first few games we looked real good because everyone else was just really bad.

    Nirvana is earned…

  26. Trisomy 21 says:

    Grabiteski is having a discipline hearing – off the top of my head I remember Hatcher and Burrows weren’t suspended for biting. The Burrows one was visible on camera too, not like the one last night.

    Now Orr, I think he’s the one who should have the hearing. We all know what’s going to happen to Grabovski, it’s just a show… Orr’s hit was a clear attempt to injure, remember Laraque in his last year, receive a match penalty and 2-3 game suspension for one just as bad? How’s this different? I don’t understand the thinking here, but I guess Shanahan showed when Malone hit Campoli’s head that he doesn’t care to protect Habs players.

  27. TommyB says:

    Read some of the posts earlier, and just came back in now to pretty much the same as was there earlier. I have to say, some posters here have a very high opinion of their own hockey I.Q. So much so, that they actually believe Montreal management is blind to what their all intelligent eyes see. Seriously, get over yourselves.

    When management said they wanted to make this team tougher to play against, and grittier, did they tell you this would all be accomplished by the tenth game into a 4 month lockout compressed schedule?

    They have taken steps. They’re not there yet. Steps. That’s all. They have a ways to go, and they know it just as much as you do.

    I was grinding my teeth last night watching Carlisle’s face, and then seeing Therrien’s face in the next camera shot. It was maddening. Imagine how Therrien felt, looking down his bench and not having the tools to deal with the situation that was developing on the ice. And it started developing quite early. Oh…he should have had Ryan White in the lineup some of you say. I love Ryan White, but he would have faired no better. He would have gotten beat up too. The Leafs have a couple of tough customers that we just are not equipped to handle. If the ref has a good feel for what is happening, and he is not biased, ahem, maybe things don’t get out of hand. Maybe you can work around the situation. Not the case last night.

    Don’t think for one second that Bergevin and Therrien are not aware of the missing parts. I’m sure they knew of it from the start of this mini-season. Fans can say, “go out and get Parros!”. Sure, it’s that easy. You can just go out and get him. Like he has no value to his present team. Likewise any other player in the league like him. You have to pick these guys up when they become available, and in this shortened mad dash for the playoffs season, don’t expect many to become available.

    One thing that was very evident last night is that there is still indeed a need for a goon type player on your team. Sad, but true. Some ask, “what good would that do if he is on the bench, or in the penalty box when some smaller skilled player on your team is getting punched around?”. Reading the posts this morning, some of you know exactly what good he would be. Some of you know exactly how to use his “talents”. It’s old-school hockey, no doubt, but the NHL has not evolved to the level they pretend to have. So, you need old-school thinking. Someone roughs up one of your skilled players, you clobber one of theirs. If you have to wait until your goon is not on the bench or in the penalty box, then you put him to work as soon as he is available. And being the home team, with last change advantage, it’s not hard to “make amends”. In a game like last night, when you are getting killed on the scoreboard, and have no chance to climb back into it, you can deliver a strong message and let it be known that next time you meet there will be more of the same if that’s the way your opponent wants to play it. It’s ugly hockey. Not pretty. Not to the tree-huggers liking. It pains me to say it, but sometimes that neanderthal Don Cherry is 100% right. So if you’re playing in a league that has pretty icing sugar and candy on it’s surface, but is completely neanderthal underneath, you should realize you need to adapt accordingly.

    I am sure both Berevin and Therrien, as well as everyone else on the staff, are aware, and are contemplating what to do about it. Unfortunately, for many Habs fans, their hands are somewhat tied by CBAs and salary caps and other teams plans. It takes time! You don’t go from last in the East to a parade in one short brush stroke.

    One note to young Gallagher….fighting is not your game. Play your game. And, hopefully MT told him as much last night. This kid has a future as a skilled playmaker/goal scorer who is not afraid to go to the dirty areas, but he has no future as a scrapper of any sort. Be smart, kid.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Tommy! A reality post! Good one.
      A bit frustrating to watch the transformation to being a better club.
      But we have a little more than two more months of hockey this year for team evaluation.

      • Habfan17 says:

        This why the Habs should pick Petrecki off of wiavers even if it means losing Weber on waivers. Petrecki brings what the Habs do not have. A big mean d-man that can clear the crease and deal with the other team’s power forwards. He is young, same age as Subban, a first round pick and would be the perfect line mate to Subban.


        • frontenac1 says:

          I missed L”Antichambre last night ,but last year Mike and the Boys had a ball crapping all over Cunneyworth when he would lose a home game on a Saturday night by one goal.They said you just can”t do that at home on a Saturday night. So, Its Hockey Day in Canada, National Stage,Leafs in town and Habs are Bit#hed Slapped like Little girls and blown out of the Bell Centre 6-0. Did they give it to Mike?

    • HabFab says:

      Very good post and Gallagher admitted after the game that he wasn’t a fighter.

      • TommyB says:

        Clearly last night he was totally frustrated. Here’s a kid with a huge heart who wants to win. Frustration led to him running around trying to nail guys all night maybe in an attempt to get things going. God bless him, you love that in a player. But Gallagher isn’t physically developed to that point yet, and playing that way could put him in the press box as “non-healthy” scratch.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Excellent post. Obviously all the changes will not happen overnight. It will take two years to clear the bad contracts and for our prospects in Hamilton to become ready (especially the D: Tinordi, Ellis, Pateryrn and Beaulieu all >6’2″). Gallagher and Gorges can’t be fighting guys much larger than them…that is what the other team wants.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Two years seems right, which is why Bergevin is probably looking to the trade deadline to move some players who won’t be around or effecive in two years.


    • shakey says:

      You only need goons when you are losing.

      Where are the goons on Detroit? Vancouver? Even Boston doesn’t have a designated goon.

      You are right we need to take steps to get tougher, bigger. The Bourque for Cammalleri trade was a good one along that line. So steps are being taken. It’s just that games like that seem like big steps back. But what they really are are reality checks as to our actual progress.

      The bad thing about the shortened year is that likely we will still be in contention at the deadline, so it won’t be an easy decision to trade gionta, or markov (or moen, armstrong, etc). But one more year of rebuild is needed, clearly

    • Habfan17 says:

      TommyB I have not read one person say that Bergevin and his group are clueless. I would say that like me, they are only presenting their opinions and it is you who have a high opinion of yourself since you know what we are all thinking.

      Of course they see what we see, and some of us may just have a better hockey IQ than you give credit for. There are folks here that have an inflated opinion of what players are worth, some that are realistic about the team.

      I would say, that as much as some over simplify the solutions, they are simply airung their frustration from years of waiting for managament to get it and make the necessary changes. I like the way Bergevin has handled things so far, no I do not, f you read any of my posts, think the Habs need a goon. They do need some players that can play the game and can also give back when pushed.

      I felt so bad for Gorges last night. Unfotunately, until the NHL decides to actually call penalties, teams will use intimidation tactics and bend the rules. The Kadri hit on Emelin is a perfect example. When did the NHL take boarding and charging penalties out of the rule book. Or for that matter, hitting a player who has moved the puck already and it has been at least 3 seconds. You can see the player intended to hit him all along and chose not to stop even knowing it was a late hit. Instead they decide to call delay of game for an errant puck going over the boards!


      • neumann103 says:

        Your closing point is key:

        “When did the NHL take boarding and charging penalties out of the rule book. Or for that matter, hitting a player who has moved the puck already and it has been at least 3 seconds. You can see the player intended to hit him all along and chose not to stop even knowing it was a late hit. Instead they decide to call delay of game for an errant puck going over the boards!”

        One of the things I often have to explain to the young ‘uns is that there was a time when this nonsense was called. It really is only the last 20 years or so that this cult of “finishing your check” has been celebrated at least as it describes lining a guy up from40 feet away and hitting him 3 seconds after he got rid of the puck.

        In my youth, the 1970s era of goon hockey that was called as a penalty, as it should be. It isn’t tough hockey it is just nonsense.

        What makes it worse is when you see about a dozen calls per game for hooking or slashing for incredibly minor contact with an opponent’s stick in a puck battle. Obviously the NHL has the power to tell refs what kind of infractions to call.

        “Et le but!”

      • TommyB says:

        When I say there are some posters on here who have a high opinion of themselves, you know I am right. Just as you are right that there are those who do have a very decent hockey IQ on here. I’m not going to draw up a list of who’s on which side of that coin. You can suggest that it is me who has a high opinion of myself if you want. I’m not bothered by that. I react to the posts I read, not the real people behind them. I don’t know anything about them, and they do not know anything about me. If I got under your skin, I apologize.

      • boing007 says:

        I think MB could have done better than Colby Armstrong. There were many players available last summer better than him.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • TommyB says:

          When Colby Armstrong was signed, the image in my mind was the Colby Armstrong I hated in a Penguins uniform. I thought we were getting that Colby Armstrong. I agree, looking at it now, there could have been someone better available. Armstrong has shown nothing.

  28. Ton says:

    Yes a work in progress……….we need to get bigger asap…….if your bigger your much more difficult to play against. We could do it immediately if we traded DD and a defense man even if it is one of your top 6 D……..and throw in a Weber or Kaberle.Get yourself a 6′ 3″ forward with skill and call up Tinordi to learn his trade in the NHL. Throw him in the fire…..no big deal…..you immediately make your team bigger. Rest assured Dudley is working the phones

  29. Ton says:

    Yes a work in progress……….we need to get bigger asap…….if your bigger your much more difficult to play against. We could do it immediately if we traded DD and a defense man even if it is one of your top 6 D……..and throw in a Weber or Kaberle.Get yourself a 6′ 3″ forward with skill and call up Tinordi to learn his trade in the NHL. Throw him in the fire…..no big deal…..you immediately make your team bigger. Rest assure Dudley is working the phones

  30. Sportfan says:

    Just to add to the part about the Habs future where does Leblanc fit in with the Habs, does he have an actual shot with the top 6? Mainly my question is this out of these guys in Hamilton who has the best chance of cracking the line-up full time down the road?

    or a player off the board

    Tinordi and Beaulieu are part of the future so I didn’t put them on this list.


    • habstrinifan says:

      Leblanc, in my humble opinion, would be just another interchangeable player in our roster. Wont provide a upgrade by himself to anyone he replaces.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I see LeBlanc as a 3rd line right wing at this point. Gallagher has moved past him as has Galchenyuk. Nattinen will probably end up as the 3rd line centre which means Bergevin will have to decide what to do with Desharnais Pleks and Eller. I would keep Eller and trade DD and Pleks. Bournival also could end up pushing for a spot as a centre of 3rd line left wing. If Bozon can translate his success to the NHL, he should be the 2nd line left wing.

      Some tough decisions ahead for Bergevin! Especially if the hockey gods smile on the Habs and they get the 1st overall pick! MacKinnon would probably be ready next season!


    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I think Ellis and/or Greg Patyrn. Right-handed defencemen with size and smarts. Just needs some “seasoning”. I really like Dumont. Has improved every year and plays an “NHL game”. Also a right-handed centerman which we need. Leblanc has the most talent and can play in the NHL but needs to add muscle as he his is unfortunately injury prone.

  31. Hobie Hansen says:

    Bergevin should be picking up the phone and calling Pittsburgh this morning and asking about the availability of Deryk Engelland.

    Take Boullion or Diaz out of the lineup and put in Engelland.


  32. frontenac1 says:

    Boston Beatdown…No response from management.
    Leaf Beatdown…….Lets see if Marc responds. There is still time but jury is out.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      My thought exactly amigo! Look above 🙂

    • Whatever says:

      Josh Gorges, Rene Bourque and Brian Gionta showed courage and stood up for their teammate. As stupid as it was, it was necessary. It builds morale. It’s saying that if you have my back, I’ll have your back. We stick together.

      Not having a legitimate enforcer like Brian McGratton or Steve MacIntyre is management’s way of saying we don’t have your back Josh, Rene and Brian. You are on your own.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I dont agree re the courage part. Well OK I take that back. Maybe it is courageous to go up to some bigger stronger meaner than you in a ‘controlled’ environment and issue a challenge. I would like to see the ‘grit’ effort put more in consistent laying on the body not challenging to a fight. Oh hell … what do I know? Guess it took courage. They are all freakin courageous!

      • frontenac1 says:

        If management expects Gionta or Gallagher to take on Heavyweight enforcers, it is not only irresponsible, it is Damn Dangerous.
        PG and JM concept of team toughness? No Thanks.

  33. habstrinifan says:

    Just an observation to those are ‘blaming’ P.K for his ‘impact’ on Markov on the PP.

    There is a clip showing Markov with his lil ole chalkboard diagramming out a play for Subban.. while Subban with mouthguard hanging obligingly pays attention and says “yes sir” “yes sir” or similar. Markov can be distinctly heard saying and I paraphrase “when you see me do this you ‘stay right there’ cause know I might do this etc etc’. I have my views on this clip which I shall keep to myself for now, but dont blame Subban for Markov.. Markov is coaching how Markov plays the power play. Check the clip out!

    • Chris says:

      Yes, but Markov is not the one that is making Subban fire 80 mile per hour passes at his teammates. Subban has one setting: rocket.

      He needs to learn how to feather passes so that his teammates can actually get one timers.

      It will come. But Subban is still a young player with a lot of warts on his game. Whenever Markov and Subban are out there together (especially rushing the puck), you can tell they really aren’t on the same page. Diaz and Markov had much better chemistry.

      It doesn’t make Subban worse than Diaz. That would be a foolish conclusion. But not every great player plays well with every other great player.

      Coincidentally, you don’t have to defend Subban all the time. The vast majority of us think he might be the team’s best player. But that doesn’t mean he is immune from criticism when it is warranted. And Subban’s passing warrants criticism.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I am not defending Subban. I just think..and I have posted this before.. every freakin defenseman on this team is now thinking they are the second coming of Yari Curry as far as being a mobile D. We have 6 mobile D. Heck I even asked the question if anyone recalled Bouillion being this offensively bent in his previous stints with the Habs.

        • Chris says:

          That is basically a coaching issue. It is pretty clear that Therrien wants to “activate” his defencemen. I’m not crazy about that for even strength, but it seems like a team philosophy as even players that normally don’t gamble this hard (such as your mention of Bouillon) are pushing hard.

        • Strummer says:

          Yari Curry- is that a dish at the Indian Take-Out?
          Edit- In Finland?

          If you are referring to Jari Kurri he was a forward.

          I think you mean Paul Coffey. Same team.

          Coffee- Curry – i get them mixed up all the time.
          Drives ’em crazy at Tim Horton’s!

          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

        • Mr. Biter says:

          Was Yari Curry an East Indian d-man I never heard of?

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • HabFab says:

            Sure sounds yummy!!

          • Danno says:

            Is Mr. Biter related to Mr. Grabowski?


            “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Nyet! From Translvanian Biters. Whole arm would have been gone, espically during full moon.We chased the Grabowskies out decades ago with their tails between their legs.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

    • Danno says:

      Do you have a link?


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • habstrinifan says:

        Sorry Danno not off the top of my head.. if I find it I will post it. I sa wit yesterday and it isnt something I went scouring the Internet for (in fact I am sure I found it thru this site). … not trying to be eavasive… just cant give u a link right now.

  34. gumper says:

    Suspensions would give some modicum of balm to the wounds sustained Saturday, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Even with teeth marks, evidence is still circumstantial. What the refs observed will be important, and since no penalty called… And as far as the Orr incident, since no actual hit took place and no injury, this one too is doubtful.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  35. Sportfan says:

    Last night hurt, but we are not that bad I really think this team can turn it around in Florida and get 3-4 points. If this becomes another losing season at least its the short season and could have a shot at some good players, but I rather make the playoffs. Also in a few years Tinordi and company should be part of our D corp which should be young and strong so chin up guys one game should be the end just yet.


    • Bim says:

      I don’t think they will turn it around down south. Its not so much they lost but how they lost. They looked defeated and demoralized..not good. Last night also pointed out their inferior skill level. I’ve been a Habs fan for 55 years and to be defeated by Leafs whose skill level is mediocre at best distresses me greatly. The only great thing about last night is that they have a great shot at Nathan McKinnon (maybe another Sid Crosby)

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Exactly. Any success we have this year and even the next couple seasons is just an added bonus.

      The team that eventually challenges for the cup isn’t going to have guys like Markov, Gionta and Cole on it.

      Galchenyuk and Gallagher will lead the way and Tinordi and Beaulieu will be part of the defense with Subban and Gorges. And hopefully we draft well this summer and some new young players will be entering the picture as well.

      So I’m hoping for the best the next few years but I’m not expecting a powerhouse until a lot of the current players have moved on.

      • Habfan17 says:

        With 3 second round picks in a deep draft, the Habs should be able to land one if not two potential power forwards. With the new draft lottery that includes all teams it would be nice to get the first, or second overall pick. I am all for trading Gionta, DD, Cole and even Pleks for the right deal at the deadline for more picks if they can. It may take a “blockbuster deal” to shake the other guys up and show them there are no excuses or free rides.

        Galchnyuk will be the future 1st line centre, Eller is showing he can be the 2nd line centre. Nattinen is the potential 3rd line shutdown centre that is needed. he wins around 60% of his faceoffs and brings size and skating.

        Cole was not a Bergevin deal and yes, Pleks is an original pick but no team can afford to be sentimental about players. If he would bring a player they need more, they should move him.

        Then let the players have the rest of this season to get to know each other and the system, pick up the new players at the draft and if need be, fill holes during free agency, and start next season with the players all knowing each other and having some experience together.


      • piper says:

        Unfortunately MB needs to start shopping some of these vets now and load up with the best draft picks or good young prospects he can get. That was a nice little start to the year but like all the experts said before the season, the Habs will go as far as Price will take them. And that was figuring Cole and DD playing like they did last year. MB has quite a mess to clean up, it will take time and it needs to start now.

  36. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Can´t believe people are starting again with that Staubitz bs. On a different note: Austria just qualified for the Olympics 2014 at the expense of Germany.

  37. Bim says:

    If you are going to lose (and they will) you may as well send Galchenyuk back to Junior and Gallagher to Hamilton. Their careers will just get ruined playing and losing every night and I believe they will be good players in this league. I would bring up the likes of Louis Leblanc and Mike Blunden and trade some of the riff/raff out of town (I’m looking at you Colby Armsrong) and pick up some goons so whenever the next beat down happens like this you can at least win something and your night doesn’t feel so bad.

  38. Strummer says:

    Whay happened to the team between Wednesday when they almost beat the Bruins -the best of the East- and last night?

    Yogi Berra said “Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical”

    This also applies to other sports.

    The game has a mental/motivational component. The players and coaches share that resposibility.

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  39. smiler2729 says:

    I’m 48, I’ve been a fan since 1971, the Habs have won 12 Cups in my lifetime and 8 of those while I was old enough to be a fan.

    Lockouts and the corporate feel of the league has really taken a lot of the fun out of being a fan so at this point I really just want my favourite hockey team to entertain me and be competitive.

    It’s a travesty that they did neither last night on national TV against their historical rival and if I had paid the big bucks to go and see that, I’d definitely want my money back but I’m never giving the NHL any money ever again so that’s a moot point.

    The most disappointing aspect of last night’s game to me was the reaction of the fans! Why didn’t they BOO those sorry asses off the ice!!

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

    • BJ says:

      Were there any fans left in the stands?Where there any fans left in the stands?

    • Phil C says:

      When the leafs scored in the third period, there was a huge wave of people who headed for the exits. The players could not have missed it. I thought it was a stronger message than booing. The place had a lot of empty seats by the end of the game, except for all the leafs fans.

      But you are right, fans were ripped off. I brought my two daughters to the game from Ottawa because I wanted their first experience watching the Habs to be in Montreal. I guess that was a mistake, they didn’t even get a chance to cheer for a goal, and all they heard all night was the taunting of obnoxious leafs fans. We could get that in Ottawa for much cheaper.

      Even my 11 year old recognized how bad they were in the first period because half way into the second she said “at least the game is not boring now like the first period”.

  40. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I guess the picture of Bar has not calmed down everybody (worked for me…thanks Mike…should be a new tradition after every blowout). I think we all knew deep down that this would be a transition year so blowout losses are to be expected. However, I thought at least management would have done something against these “assaults”. Don’t get me wrong; I’m against fighting 100% as a principle but the reality is what it is. There are going to be times in a season when you need to protect your skill and young players. We already know the league won’t (BTW nothing is going to happen to Grabovski and Orr).

    Letting Staubitz go made no sense to me with Orr in TO, Scott in Buf, Thorton in Bos and Neil in Ott. When I hear the “only plays 4 min/game” argument, I shake my head. We have reserves that many want to see play 0 min/games (e.g., Kaberle). We could not have freed up a spot for a tough guy? Weber is never going to play, so why not his spot? Signing so many players to one way contracts has really hurt the team this season…

    Would having a tough guy improve our record? Of course not. Will it improve team courage, morale and toughness? No question. We have all seen the effect Prust has had on Gally and Chucky…I just wish we had a little more.

    • Whatever says:

      You’re right.

      You have to protect yourself. Nobody is going to do it for you. Not the league, not the on-ice officials. The head of NHL discipline isn’t a former Lady Byng winner or finalist.

    • Arrow77 says:

      We have an other tough guy. His name is Ryan White and he didn’t play last night because he took stupid penalties. That’s all it all comes down to for everybody in the end: Prust, Orr, Scott, Thornton and Neil all had to have enough hockey skills to crack the line-up. Staubitz wasn’t good enough to make the team and White did but he blew it in the end.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Unfortunately MT could not play White last night. I agree Staubitz does not have the skills to crack the line-up on a regular basis but at least he would be useful for certain occassions. I just do not see any use for Nokia, Webber and Kaberle so why not? It would not hurt. I disagree about Orr and Scott. If fighting was banned, they would not be in the league (along with Staubitz).

  41. Arrow77 says:

    It’s no time to panic yet but Therrien needs to make some adjustment. Plekanec’s line is the only line that showed some consistency and we knew they couldn’t produce every night so some night like this had to happen at some point. Here’s what I think:

    – The Markov/Emelin pairing isn’t working anymore. Emelin is only a second year player and his readings aren’t strong enough yet to cover up a high risk player like Markov. Putting Bouillon with Markov would probably be a better move and Diaz might complement Emelin’s style better.

    – The so-called first line should be broken up. We know Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are the future of the team and we know they will end up on the same line at some point in their career. Why not now?

    – Prust may be able to light some fire to DD & Cole. They’re both running out of time anyway so it’s worth a try.

  42. The Dude says:

    For all those Habs fans who must point out their random facts and start with the Teams not that bad :roll:,we’ve been listening and the Team has been doing exactly that for 20 years now and last night is where it’s taken us….”NO SOUP for YOU!” WTFU

  43. JF says:

    A game like last night certainly brings out the negativity and cynicism most Habs fans seem to share. A third of our players are past their best before date, another third should be traded for big, aggressive thugs. I doubt any changes will be made as a direct result of last night because Marc Bergevin takes a longer-term view than we do. He is probably prepared to go with what we have this year while evaluating the team and planning future moves.

    We are not as bad as we looked last night but not as good as we looked the first eight games. The games against the Bruins and Sabres are probably a good measuring stick. The Bruins game showed that we can still be kept to the outside and our speed neutralized by an aggressive forecheck. The Sabres game highlighted the discipline problem present since the start of the season. This is something Therrien has to address, as well as our lack of success in the faceoff circle. A player can learn how to win faceoffs; if the coaches we have cannot help our players, the team needs to get someone who can.

    We might still make the playoffs, but it’s clearly going to be a battle. Finishing out of a playoff spot and getting a higher draft pick might be a better option. And we’d only have to endure three months of suckitude as opposed to six.

    About the Leafs – I think they’re a lot better than most here give them credit for, and they played an excellent game last night.

  44. Old Bald Bird says:

    I see the need for more size on the backend as a bit of a dilemma. We know that it’s needed, but perhaps we just need to hold on and wait for Tinordi? Do we want to go out and perhaps pay dearly now for somebody who might possibly block Tinordi next year? It would be nice to have a big guy back there and another up front, but I am not sure if it’s the best move going forward.

    • ont fan says:

      This is when you let it play out. They are entertaining most nights. It’s going to be hot and cold. If a trade comes up for our veterans, that’s too good to let go, that’s when MB has to step up and be the GM. When was the last time we played well in Florida? Also, when the game is getting out of hand PVR it. It’s easier at a higher speed.

  45. frontenac1 says:

    Are there any Swiss tough guys available?

  46. Chris says:

    Looking at the NHL standings a few things jump out:

    San Jose (7-2-2) are off to a great start, but I think they fall back to Earth. Much of their hot start was lights out play from Patrick Marleau, but buried in that is the fact that they have not been tested on the road much (2-1-0) yet.

    Chicago (9-0-2) are the best team in hockey right now. They have a good defence corps, a great mix of offence and defence on their forward lines and are road warriors (7-0-2) on the road. How good will they be when they actually get to match their lines to their own liking?

    Nashville (5-4-2) is still hanging around despite losing Ryan Suter and getting a terrible offensive start out of Shea Weber (1 assist in 11 games). Can Barry Trotz finally be given the Jack Adams Trophy, because the guy continually makes something from very little. That roster has no offence, yet there they are with a good record despite playing the vast majority of their games on the road (1-0-2 on home ice).

    Edmonton (4-4-2) are going to be a yo-yo all season (sound familiar, Habs fans?) but I’m expecting them to put it together this season. I know that it is popular to be down on Taylor Hall for thinking he’s a skill player. I’m in the opposite camp…he IS a skill player. That guy is ridiculously fast and has great moves. He’s just putting it all together. With Hemsky seemingly recovered (finally!) from his injuries, the Oilers are three lines deep. The big thing there is that they have to commit to team defence, otherwise they will be the new Washington Capitals. They have a slew of talented (and huge!) defence prospects coming up over the next couple of years, so their future is understandably bright. The focus is on all the high picks at forward, but their future success will be hinged on the D.

  47. commandant says:

    Mitch takes aim at the Grabovski incident.


    Go Habs Go!
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  48. twilighthours says:

    My concern with markov has less to do with his speed and more with his decision making. He is forcing the play or just blindly throwing the puck into dangerous areas in the offensive zone. We saw this result in goal against vs Toronto and buffalo.

    Last night’s fourth goal was just pathetic shot blocking. If you can’t block it then it must go around you, not through you.

    • Chris says:

      The two are tied together. In the past, Markov’s elite skating ability allowed him to make pinches that would get other players in trouble. Now that he no longer has that ability, he gets in trouble.

      Markov is good in certain situations. I actually think he’s great along the boards, where he uses leverage and positioning to get the puck.

      But he’s terrible in front of the net and on point shots because he doesn’t block very well. With an elite goaltender like Carey Price, I am not sure I understand Montreal’s fascination with blocking long shots as it often makes Price’s job far more difficult. I would rather see them tie up the players around the net and let Price do his job without having to worry about any spilled rebounds immediately ending up in his net.

      As for the passing in the offensive zone, I agree. He’s making too many high-risk plays to try to create something that isn’t there. He can (and should!) do that on the power play, but has to rein it back at even-strength where a turnover and transition has proven to be deadly for the Habs when he and Emelin are on the ice.

  49. Bill says:

    NHL clears Orr after attempt to injure Plekanec’s knee, no further discipline.

  50. doogie says:

    Ebb and flow in this league….play great and get ready for a few loses; play crappy and get ready for a few wins! Not sure I want to be Tampa and Florida and have to play Les Habs this coming week.

    Then we’ll see what they’re made of! Remember, Sparky Anderson after a bad loss said the same thing after a big win, ” the world turns over every 24 hours.”

    Every time they play like crap, remember that Bergevin has this big ship slowly starting to turn around. All in time!

  51. Bill says:

    Random Thoughts:

    1 – The Habs are not as bad as they looked last night. Not as good as their best games this year perhaps, but not as bad as that. Because no NHL team is as bad as that!

    2 – Don’t watch a lot of Leaf games, so all I knew about Colton Orr is that he’s a great fighter who can’t play hockey. I did not know that he is also a cheap shot artist who would throw out a knee to try to end someone’s career. Like with Ulf Samuellson, I don’t know how his teammates can respect that.

    3 – As a follow up to the previous point, I knew Don Cherry is a Leaf homer and a hypocrite … but for him to excuse Orr’s move (after spending a decade excoriating Samuellson for the same thing) is the kind of hypocrisy that stops you in your tracks with sheer wonder.

    4 – Michel Therrien did not rip apart his team and publicly humiliate them in his press conference last night. Looks like the therapy worked, because you know he was thinking dark thoughts in his head.

    5 – It’s an overreaction to say that Markov, Gionta, and Cole are done because they’re 34. The NHL has many skilled guys still producing well past that date.

    6 – My main wish right now is that the next game were not in Florida, where the Habs always lay a major egg. I can’t take another one.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  52. New says:

    Hey…last weekend you guys were all “We” as in “We just need to”. Now the sportswriters and fans are all “They” as in “Buy them out.” Therrien isn’t laughing and slapping players on the back anymore. No one is getting to the puck first, and when they do their line mates are changing. Every power play is about getting the puck to Subban and getting the heck out of the way. Gosh what happened to sour the media, team and fans in only a week?

    Five games in eight days. They started the season with 6 in 12. Back to back two times last week. They shouldn’t even be practicing, just an optional skate to loosen up. Markov plays 24,25,25,25, and in a blowout 21 in 8 days and people think he looks a little slow?

    The boys are beat. Once the team figures out how to eat, sleep, train, for this schedule they’ll be fine, or as fine as the other teams. Provided everyone isn’t at each others throats due to the unrelenting demands on their time.

  53. habsfan0 says:

    We haven’t heard from Timo as yet.

    I’m going to take a wild guess and assume he won’t be endorsing Michel Therrien for coach of the year honours this morning.

  54. Phil C says:

    Speed and skill will beat goonery almost every time. The problem was that the Habs were neither speedier nor more skilled. I wouldn’t mind if Bergevin picked up a heavyweight for certain games, but it really is the least of his problems.

    The Markov-Emelin pairing were not good. Emelin’s gap control was not good at times. I never liked him on the right side, so I think a change is needed. I would consider pairing Subban with Markov. They were the only two defensemen making any good passes, and Markov needs better defensive support to get the most out of him.

    Gallagher played very well and showed a lot of heart. But he almost never passes. The scouting report will be out on him now, so I think if he doesn’t improve, he will struggle in the NHL. So many times I saw Galchenyuk get to a good place on the ice, but the puck never comes back. Galchenyuk is not going to score much playing with Gallagher which is a waste of his talents.

    I noticed the same thing with Plekanec and Gionta. Gionta was often open for a pass, but Plekanec tends to hold on to the puck. I would like to see Gallagher and Gionta switch lines to see if Galchenyuk and Gionta would have more chemistry. I Don’t think it would hurt Gallagher or Plekanec.

    Time to give Eller a shot. I thought he was one of the better forwards. Something has to change because they will never beat a team with big defensemen like the leafs if they don’t move the puck. And the passing last night was amateur.

  55. Prust for PM says:

    Reading ALN after the 2 losses to the Leafs and the drubbing by the Sens feels very much like going to twice-per-year dental check-ups or once a year reviews of my credit bureau reports. I learn a lot but I don’t always enjoy the knowledge gained-whatever the explanation for the “issues” uncovered.

    I laugh at all the frequent comments to trade Canadiens’ players who are on the 4th line or, worse, paying rent in the Press Box. I wish all the armchair GM’s would let us know the specific trade value of: Weber, Kaberle, White, and Armstrong.

    I am incredibly unhappy with Cole. He needs to practice making self-passes off the boards with Rene Bourque-“last year’s Cole”-who has shown a lot of speed, strength, and determination this year. Or take a (very) long walk with Bob Gainey and Alex Kovalev.

    “Cannonading drive!!”

  56. BJ says:

    One solution for Markov’s lost step, put him on with PK and let Markov step back rather than forward.

  57. TMan1969 says:

    Montreal should take a tip from Homey the Clown (In Living Color)…don’t play that…they are mid size team that when using speed, transition wins but if they fall into the trap of trying to play like Boston, Philly and I guess Toronto..they lose..play to your strengths…damn it they are better then last night…maybe last night was the Buckleys the team needed..too bad Price had to take a hit

    Do not scorn a weak cub. He may become the brutal tiger.

    Mongolian Proverb

  58. Hobie Hansen says:

    Obviously last night sucked in a big time way. I’m hoping it’s the last straw and it was a real wake up call to some of the players.

    I think our false hope that the Canadiens defense was going to magically hold up, even though they’re one of the smaller units in the league, has proven to be just that, a false hope. I had a hard time believing Markov’s knee injures would allow him to return to his old form and guys like Diaz and Boullion were quality NHL defenders. Diaz and Markov are great on the PP but shaky in their own end.

    And like Boone mentions above, where the heck did Eric Cole’s drive and passion go? Ever since he complained about the new CBA and mentioned he might retire, he’s stunk.

    Aside from Cole, I think we’re OK at forward and I’m hoping he wakes the hell up and gets his act together. We’re going to have to be patient and wait for Galchenyuk to improve and we’ll be fine down the middle.

    And after last night’s shenanigans I’m sure Bergevin is working the phones looking for a heavyweight enforcer. I think he’s probably got no choice but to wait for Kaberle’s contract to be bought out and for guys like Tinordi and Beaulieu to develop before the defense improves.

  59. issie74 says:

    I watched the Leafs play Carolina about a week ago,Leafs came out scored two fast goals and Carolina looked like the Keystone Cops,I remarked to my grandson is this a Kirk Mueller team,Carolina came out in the second and scored three goals and now it looked like the Freaky Friday movie.

    Habs are not that bad … Leafs are not that good.JMO


  60. Propwash says:

    Move the team to Lost Wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  61. Habfan17 says:

    I like Gionta, however, there has to be another strong leader out there with some size. By the time the Habs are a team that can seriously compete for the cup, he will be gone. DD competes hard but on his own is ineffective. He is outmuscled 90% of the time, he is weak in the face off circle, and is not very good in his own zone. I am tired of watching him “batlle” on the boards in the Habs zone, only to lose time and again. His only strength is on the power play when he has more time and room. I am sure the Habs could find someone else, Eller, who could fill that role.

    Cole looks like he has already retired after stating that he is considering it at the end of the season. If he is that disenchanted with the new CBA, move him for something rather than have him follow through and retire. Trade him back to Carolina or a plaoyy team at the deadline. Ask for a let round pick if he only plays this season and if he plays out his contract it becomes a second round pick.

    There are a few potential gems in the system. If Bozon can develop and bring the same game to the NHL level, he looks like a solid 2nd line left wing. Kristo and Collberg look strong for right wing, if Kristo signs. What the Habs need to draft this season with those second round picks, are legitimate power wingers with an edge. One big mean centre would help too. Not enforcers or goons, players who can play but also punish opposing defence and get to the net.

    Asking Tinordi to take on experienced heavy wieght players in the NHL this season would not be good. If it came to a fight and he lost badly a la Komisarek, it could ruin him. In time, he could be the net clearing, steadying player the Habs badly need. Subban shouldn’t be looking to cream players he should be creating offence. To that end, I wish Stoner would have a growth spurt and add a couple of inches!


  62. smiler2729 says:

    Dump, trade or buyout the vets, bring up the Tinordis, etc. to play. Suck and draft early again for on of the studs in this year’s crop…

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

  63. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    I’ll I can say after last night’s debacle is that NEVER should Josh Gorges feel the responsibilty to take on a a thug like he did last night. I don’t know what the solution is, but that’s something that should never happen. Felt like I was watching my brother get beat up.

    • ProHabs says:

      I agree and it has been like that for about 4 years. It seems as though MOntreal management is the only management in the league that doesn’t reallize a team needs some toughness. It might be different if Gainey, Gauthier, Martin or Bergevin were actually the ones on the ice getting pummelled by a 6ft5 goon.

  64. twilighthours says:

    Hard to believe this team is still 2 games over .500, eh?

  65. Bozo McBozo says:

    Sometimes bad IS bad!

  66. Mavid says:

    Ha!and to add insult to injury I now have the Sens fans blabbing at me, with that win last night the Leafs are now ahead of them in the standings..and being the Leaf obsessed fans that they are..its all our fault..bunch of tools..

  67. Habfan10912 says:

    Have Cole and Markov joined Kabrele as a candidate for buyout #2?


    • Mike D says:

      Morning Jim.

      Doubtful Markov ever enters that conversation. In fact, I think Gio enters that conversation before Markov ever does.

      If Cole doesn’t pick it up then he could be a good candidate. He’s a known slow-starter though so too early to say right now. Unfortunately, it’s a short season meaning a shorter leash for slow starters.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Danno says:

        The problem is not just a slow start. Cole is displaying bad attitude lately. Maybe Therien should work on making him a better person.


        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • Habfan17 says:

        If Cole actually follows through and retires, since he is not yet 35, his salary would come off the books, no need to buy him out of he does this. I vote for trading him and getting a late round pick that would become a 2nd round pick if he decides to play out his contract.


  68. egold98 says:

    Pacioretty – Galchenuk – Gallagher
    Bourque – Plekanec – Cole
    Moen – Eller – Gionta
    Prust – Desharnais – Armstrong

    It’s time folks. 1st unit PP, top line. The two Gally’s…live or die with them. With regards to Gionta and Desharnais dropping, I don’t view it as a demotion. Playing on a 3rd line should open more space for Gio and playing with a skilled centerman like Eller will provide offensive chances. As for Desharnais on the 4th, again more space and he should help feed Prust and Armstrong.

    If we’re going to be a lousy team this year, we need to play the kids.

  69. Mavid says:

    someone made a comment that some folks on here have rose colored glasses, obviously you don’t read what is on here..because it is the opposite, lots of posters are extremely critical, and some (only a couple) are down right haters..makes you wonder why they even bother..but thats a whole other subject I will steer clear of..for now..

  70. RetroMikey says:

    Still too early to push the panic (I’ll be nice saying it), but I was not surprised at the outcome of the game last night, it was disgusting to lose at home and get shut out.
    I’ve said this many times here, we need to get bigger with this team and trade Markov, Gionta, Plekanec, Weber early in this season to get young prospects as well draft choices. Do it Bergevin for pete’s sake!
    We may have skill, but today’s NHL you need to be bigger and those no-name unskilled Maple Laffs humiliated us at home.
    I don;t want to be negative here so much but the reality is our team is a work in progress, we are facing the bad times for the stupid trades Gainey has made and signing fat contracts to free agents.
    Personally, I would rip the C of Gionta’s chest and place it on Pacioretty’s chest.
    Yes, a team in progress, not too early to say the word “tank” but let’s wait after 20 games.
    The reality is we are not that good, and I agree with Boone.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Mr.Habs71sv says:

      I will venture to say it is not going to be Carey Price. Are people intoxicated thinking he is the second coming of Saint Patrick. I will put the bar lower “talented”???? I am still waiting to see him win anything besides a game here or there. Please. At least Theodore won the Hart and the Vezina.

      Till next time….

  71. Ian Cobb says:

    My weekly stats on how fast this club can get to our regular place in this 30 team league!
    At the bottom! They take our money and go on a cruise for the rest of the year!

    Total points—-13, 11th place.. Last week 12, for 5th place.

    Goals for——–31, 12th place.. Last week 26, for 10th place.

    Goals against–30, 13th place.. last week 17, for 3rd place.

    Mr. Bergevin!
    the players to be moved out immediately for future draft choices before the rest of the league realizes they are no longer NHLers.
    Markov, Armstrong, Cole, Kaberle, White, Gionta, Moen .

    If we are going to be slaughtered every night, lets at least bring up the kids for some development under fire for the last 2 months of this season! They at least will bring their hearts.!!!!

    • JUST ME says:

      As much as i share you frustration , i hope you will get over it eventually. As much as the beginning of the season was enjoyable did you (we) really think that they were that good ? So this morning we also know deep down that they are not that bad. They need time ,lots of it to build something and make the right moves.

      Deep down you know we are not going to get slaughtered every night as you say but if we are , it should not be with the youngsters cause they are our future and need to climb up the ladder of confidence at their own rythmn.

      Problem with yesterday was that we got leveled by the Maple Leafs. We`ve reached a new low…This morning i just feel like bringing chicken wings back to la cage aux sports….

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Just me! of course you are correct my friend. The kids might not be a good idea for their development, and yes! the frustration will pass. Maybe with a couple points in Florida.! But I better not see the boys on the beach!!!

  72. Chris says:

    I posted it after the opening game of this season, but the Leafs could be a dark-horse for the playoffs this season. They compete hard and have a decent balance of scoring through their top three lines despite the lack of a true star forward.

    They are the second-youngest team in the NHL, and one area where this shows is their record at home and on the road. 1-4 at home, where young players are often impatient, versus 6-1 on the road.

    If Reimer is back to his rookie season form and Carlyle can continue to improve their team defence, the Leafs might not be the laughing stock that everybody thinks they are. The home-ice play will probably improve, and the road record will undoubtedly deteriorate. But they will be in the mix.

    I’m actually glad for this. I think Montreal is on the right path forwards, and it is good for Canadian hockey if the two flagship franchises climb out of mediocrity and actually start to battle it out in the playoffs.

    Does anybody here not think that a Montreal-Toronto playoff series would be fantastic for hype in Canadian hockey? And is anybody here not a bit worried that we would lose that series? 🙂

    • RetroMikey says:

      Well said Chris about your analysis of those Maple Leafs.
      They play hard even though they are less skillful than our overrated team .
      We would lose in a playoff series to Toronto and I, for one, would not be worried,
      Give credit to ex-GM Burke for building a good farm system in the Marlies.
      And…big is better !!!!!!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • JF says:

      One thing I’ve liked about the Leafs in recent years is that, however bad they are, they always compete. And this year they are at least decent. Another thing: from Nonis’s moves so far and from what he’s said about patience and building the team, I think they’re finally on the right track.

      • Chris says:

        As mentioned above, I think Montreal is moving the right direction too. Bergevin has to clear out some players that don’t fit with his team-building philosophy, a process that will take another couple of years to complete, but they are starting to get the right pieces. I like that they have three scoring lines, if the Desharnais line can ever get going again, as I think this is crucial in the modern NHL. Teams can not afford to send out a line with the sole responsibility of not giving up goals and another with 5 minutes of “energy” play.

        The Leafs have their stinkers as well (they were terrible in the second week of the season), but they do work in general. That is all you can ask.

        For the most part, Montreal has also competed hard. There will be more stinkers, and they will be battling with the Leafs to stay in playoff contention throughout the season, but the resurrection of Rene Bourque and emergence of Brendan Gallagher were two players I don’t think most pundits saw being contributors this season. If Cole/Pacioretty get going, the winger situation is a lot better than I thought coming into the season.

        I’d like to see some of the logjam cleared up sooner than later (Yannick Weber should not be sitting game after game, and Eller should not be playing as little as he is) so that they can make more space for the players that are actually part of the team’s future and not just placeholders.

    • Mr.Habs71sv says:

      WindsorHab-10 I totally agree with you! At the rate this season is going I starting not to give a f about the Habs. No worries, I would never go for the Laffs though. Bleu, Blanc, Rouge or nothing. 20 years is better than 46 years. No matter how bad things get or dark it gets we will stay be kings of the cup hill! No one will ever touch that!

      Till next time….

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am not ready for a Toronto-Mtl playoffs. I gotta be honest! I just dont think we have the horses/coaching to shut up the Leafs centric coverage that it would get. And I woould end up walking the street blabbering with a bleeding ulcer.

  73. HabinBurlington says:

    Yikes, is all I can say about last night. Not a fun night for the Habs or the Habs fans.

  74. habstrinifan says:

    How about: Bring up Blunden. Put him and White and Prust on one line. Show them videos of Tremblay/Roseborough etc.. and teach them to be our checking hitting pressuring line. Lines like that dont need to or even really fight(in today’s hockey)…just give the opposition pause.

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