About last night …

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Now it can be told.
Last Monday, I got a phone call from Bar Refaeli.
“Hey, how did you like my Super Bowl commercial?” the famous super model asked.
“Hey,” she added, “I’ve rented a beachfront cottage in Aruba for the beginning of May. “Why don’t you come down and hang out?
“Bring your friends Pat Hickey and Dave Stubbs. I’ll get another couple girls from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit shoot and we’ll party.”
“Thanks for the invite, Bar,” I replied. “But the Montreal Canadiens are 6-2 on the season.
“Hickey, Stubbs and I are going to be covering the playoffs in May.”

Oops!

Can we go to Plan B for Bar … or for barf, which is the only reasonable gastro-intestinal reaction to the Canadiens’ worst and most embarrassing home-ice loss in 16 years.

Dec. 23, 1996. Ottawa 6 – Canadiens 0. That team finished the season at 31-38-15 for 77 points. That was good for eighth place – and a first-round exit against top-seeded New Jersey.

The team a national TV audience saw on Saturday night will not be playing hockey in May.

From the moment Alex Galchenyuk lost the first game-opening faceoff of his career, your Montreal Canadiens were outhit, outskated and outhustled.

They were also outscored, outfought and – by a ludicrous 48-23 margin – outdrawn in the faceoff circle.

And if getting a team ready to play an important hockey game is a coaching responsibility, the Canadiens were outcoached … by a lot.

The phone-in shows I listened to while stuck in a crazy 11 p.m. traffic jam on the way home focused on all the idiocy that unfolded during the third period: Mikhail Grabovski biting Max Pacioretty, Colton Orr sticking out his leg to injure Tomas Plekanec, Josh Gorges valiantly trying to fight Frazer McLaren, who held the Canadiens defenceman at arm’s length and laughed at him.

Second-guessing will include suggestions that Ryan White would have helped against Team Truculence. And Peter Budaj should have played the final 20 minutes.

Fair points. But problems revealed over the last three losses run deeper than game-to-game or period-to-period personnel moves.

As has been the case in recent seasons, your Montreal Canadiens are a small and, Brandon Prust notwithstanding, soft hockey team. And their next home game is against the Flyers.

But the Canadiens didn’t lose to the Leafs because they were outmuscled and/or intimidated. From the moment the puck dropped and Grabovski won it back to his blueline, the Leafs were faster and hungrier.

Randy Carlyle and his staff looked at video of their opponent’s losses to Boston and Buffalo and drew the obvious conclusion: Hustle, hit, pressure the Canadiens on the puck and they will wilt.

That 6-2 start had Montreal fans pinching themselves and wondering whether it was a dream. And now that the team has lost three straight to Northeast Division rivals, the dream threatens to become a nightmare.

The Tuesday night game in Tampa Bay will tell the tale. If the Canadiens don’t show up against the Lightning, this season could head south in an awful big hurry.

But hey, it’s a vintage draft year.

Nathan MacKinnon would be an upgrade on David Desharnais. Seth Jones is better than Tomas Kaberle.

And Jonathan Drouin would help us forget Erik Cole.

Cole epitomizes the Canadiens’ sudden descent from the early-season penthouse to outhouse. The guy who scored 35 goals last year is in a funk and looks like he doesn’t care.

We could reverse his jersey number and have Erik Kovalev … except Galchenyuk is trying to bring honour back to 27.

And he will. Galchenyuk is the future of the franchise, along with Brendan Gallagher, the big-hearted kid who went down swinging against Toronto; Carey Price, P.K. Subban, Raphael Diaz, Max Pacioretty and, maybe, Lars Eller.

Plekanec is a player. So is Rene Bourque.

That epic butt-kicking and the previous losses revealed, however, that  a few players may have skated past their Best Before dates: Cole, Colby Armstrong, Travis Moen and – I hate to say it – Andrei Markov and Brian Gionta.

On the play that led to Leo Komarov’s goal – the game-winner, 59 seconds into the first period – Markov could not stay with Nikolai Kulemin.

The captain still plays hard. And good for Gionta going after Orr on the Plekanec hit. But Gionta is on pace to score eight goals – the total he managed in 31 games before an injury ended last season for him.

But look, my Bar Refaeli fantasy aside, I didn’t consider the 6-2 Canadiens a lock for the playoffs.

They are a work in progress.

And that 6-0 pasting might not be the last bump on the road back to respectability.

The last word, from a really pissed-off fan: The only thing left for the Leafs to do is **** the Habs’ wives.

One more time, Mike:

635 Comments

  1. JUST ME says:

    Never too high, never too low. So they say.
    I guess that is the only thruth i can hang on this morning as i feel a bit sick to my stomach after what i saw yesterday.
    As much as it makes no sense to think that we have a stanley cup contender after what we went through last season, it is also ridiculous to think that we are a bottom dweller as the Laffs are. I guess it will make us stronger one day… Just not today…

    No further explanations,excuses or analysis , we got leveled that`s all .

  2. gumper says:

    I was going to offer up the excuse that this was the fifth game in eight days for our warriors, but guess who also played five in eight, and yet came out looking fresh and hungry last night. The difference is the Leafs did not enter the game worn out and beaten down by a series of games against opponents who were bigger and better disciplined. Add to that the fact that Habs are consistently on the losing end of the faceoff duel. It wears a team out spending the night trying to retrieve the puck. The size issue can’t easily be addressed in the short term. Perhaps the faceoff issue can’t either, but if I’m Bergevin, I’m resolved this morning to trying to address both by trading for a big, defensive centre who is good in the circle. Such a player would be pure gold to this small team. (Players I would consider moving who might actually bring a decent return from the right trading partner: Cole, Gionta, Kaberle, Weber, Moen. Problem is that most of those, by virtue of length of contract won’t look appealing to anyone till the playoffs are closer and teams are looking for that one extra piece they need to win the cup.) Next step is to find a big defenceman with a mean streak. If such players cannot easily be found then I’m resolving myself to going the distance with the current squad and choosing high in the draft this summer. Bergevin appears to be a person who will incrementally, step by step, work to improve the team. Let’s hope he does not make impulsive knee-jerk responses to losses like the one last night.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      It was mentioned several times last night that the leafs know they have to play with intensity to get their ice time. This doesn’t seem to be true for the Habs, but, then again, you can’t bench everyone.

      • gumper says:

        True dat, OBB. In fact, I think the Habs may have been playing with all the intensity thy could muster at the tail end of a physically draining week. That’s what worries me the most.

        The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
        Mark Twain

      • Habfan17 says:

        What happened to Therrien saying no Excusues and if you don’t play hard, you will lose your spot. Wasn’t that the new Mantra in Montreal, bye bye country club hello work ethic and character!

        Habfan17

        • gumper says:

          Agreed, but there’s also a saying that you can’t get blood from a stone. I really had the feeling that les boys gave up everything they had left last night. If I’m right, that’s an even bigger concern than if they just had a little trouble getting up for the game.

          The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
          Mark Twain

    • Habfan17 says:

      Joonas Nattinen in Hamilton is just that, too bad he was injured early this season. He wins around 60% of his faceoffs and is 6’2″ He should be a very solid 3rd line centre that in time can be counted on to take key draws.

      With Glachyuk. Eller and Nattinen at centre in the future, they would need a 4th line centre that also has those traights!

      Habfan17

      • gumper says:

        We can’t forget that Nokelainen is still on the roster too. He’s 6’2″, over 200 lbs. and his faceoff stats from last year are better than anyone who was actually called upon to do the job on a fairly regular basis. He’s also only 27. All things considered I can see why Bergevin kept him around. No idea when he’s supposed to return, but I could see a decent fourth line with him at centre, and also using him strategically for offensive zone faceoffs on PP and strategic defensive zone face-offs such as the one in Buffalo the other night. Guys like him can actually win you games.

        The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
        Mark Twain

      • issie74 says:

        Geoffrion also for the Dogs faceoff specialist but that was a terrible injury he suffered.

        NorthTOHab

  3. CCL says:

    I feel sorry for Therrien. He took over the garbage Gautier and Gainey left behind. Mark made two good moves bringing in the Gally’s. Armstrong and Prust. Give me a break. Armstrong for Darch made that position weaker. Prust for Staubitz about even.

    same team as last year and you expect miracles. I’ll tell ya what your miracles are gonna be. instead of 28th place benefit of the doubt maybe 24th or 25th. that’s about how much this team has improved and don’t blame the coaching staff. you can’t coach what you don’t have. Have a nice day.

    Too many complainers who can’t figure out we have a average team and we’re gonna have more games like last night maybe starting Tuesday against Tampa Bay. They may not be as tough as The Leafs but they have the Guys that can put the puck in the net.

    • Mike D says:

      See mine and geo_habsgo’s comments below regarding Armstrong.

      Prust for Staubitz about even? What a joke of a statement. I think people look too much at Prust the fighter and forget the guy actually knows how to play hockey. Staubitz not so much.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  4. Habfan17 says:

    Did any team pick up Petrecki from waivers from San Jose. If not the Habs should and then put him wth Subban and take the reins of Subban and let him do what he does best on the ice

    Habfan17

    • gumper says:

      Looks like a career AHL’r. Not sure who you would waive from the current roster to make room for him. Even Kaberle and Weber would have more trade value than him.

      The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
      Mark Twain

      • Habfan17 says:

        If they have to waive someone, make it Weber, that would be like trading Weber for Petrecki, a former first rounder with size and meaness. If Weber won’t get an opporunity, then why now take a chance on Petrecki! He may well compliment Subban.

        Personally, I think Pateryn will be a very solid 5th d-man and bring some size and grit to the back end in time. Having Petrecki as the 7th d-man instead of Kaberle or Weber would be good for games agains teams that take liberties.

        Habfan17

        • gumper says:

          I see your point. I just think that Weber has more value in a trade with a team already loaded with D bruisers, looking for someone with some wheels and some PP upside.

          The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
          Mark Twain

  5. Steeltown Hab says:

    It’s clearer than ever – DD just can’t cut it as a top 6 Center, defensive ability isn’t even close, weak on the draw and soft. I’m willing to see what he can do on the wing but it’s time to finally give the kid his due. Eller is ready for top 6 minutes at center.

    Eller and Gallagher, by far our best players last night, still not saying much.

    I have to respect Therrien for taking Cole off the line for his bad play, he’s been awful this year, still hope he can turn it around.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree that Eller and Gallagher were the best. Subban looks like has been told to always give th puck to a team mate.

      I also noticed that we made it easy on the leafs defence, pur forwards either shot the puck in or if they carried it in, they stayed on the wing and skated straight ahead. No holding up or creativity at all. It is not hard to defend when you know where the opposition is heading. The coaches should have noticed and changed tactics.

      The leafs did that all the time, they were unpredictable but in control when they crossed the Habs blue line

      Habfan17

  6. Haberoooo13 says:

    After watching the whole game, the first 10 minutes of anit-chambre and reading the comments here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeI5ke0BENw

    Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

  7. scavanau says:

    The most we expect is consistency. Just not consistant in-consistency…

  8. twilighthours says:

    I’m no coach, nor GM, nor intelligent person, but I’m concerned with Markov’s play. He was brutal on 1st and 4th goals last night, and brutal on Ennis’ goal on Thursday.

    I don’t have a solution (see first sentence).

    • Chris says:

      His speed is gone…he’s going to be very vulnerable to counter-attacks all season.

      I think the hope is that Emelin can cover for those, but he hasn’t shown that as of yet.

      Limiting his even-strength ice time would be a big start. He should not be out there 23-25 minutes per game. I’ve been wondering if the team is trying to showcase him for a trade to a contender, as a PP quarterback of his ilk could command a pretty hefty return from a team looking to go deep in the playoffs.

      • RockinRey says:

        This is why I would trade Markov at the dealine or before the draft. Get something for him because they shouldn’t sign him again. Just manage this asset. Business decision. Easy to sell to the masses !!! You have to believe they were hoping he would come out and produce like he did to start the season.

        His limitations notwithstanding I think he could be flipped for a couple of assets.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Gorges has a little bit more speed and more NHL experience than Emelin and Emelin is better on the left. That´s why Subban-Emelin and Markov-Gorges would make sense. No reason to think about a trade right now.

        I´d also like to see Pacioretty with Eller and Gallagher on the second line, with Desharnais – Galchenyuk – Cole on the third. If it was right to sit Eller after one game, Desharnais and Cole are both unbelievably lucky they haven´t been healthy scratches yet.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am an intelligent person and so am I. Just couldnt resist…ha ha.

  9. AnimalMother says:

    Have I mentioned I’m through with DD?

    Lol?

  10. habs12 says:

    Colby Armstrong has to be one of the most useless players in the entire league.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      It’s just a one year contract. We’ll get an upgrade this Summer. Maybe we can trade him for a 3rd round draft pick or something. I would try to get all dead weight on the team unloaded in exchange for draft picks this Summer. The more picks we have, the more opportunity we have to package some in exchange for a higher pick. 3 losses in a row and the tankwagon is gearing up.

      • Mike D says:

        Exactly. Habs took a flyer on Armstrong which is why he only got a one year deal for little money. Prior to his decline the past season or two, he was a 40-50 point guy.

        It was a wise and mitigated risk. If he played well the team can keep him or trade him at the deadline for a good return. If not, he fills a hole for one year on a team in transition anyway and everyone walks away amicably in the summer. So far, it’s looking like the latter.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • habs12 says:

          Right, but now that we know he sucks, on to the next. Why should we settle for him just because we know his contract is up in a few months? Sit him, and look for a better filler on waivers/trade market/Hamilton.

    • RockinRey says:

      Watch the highlights on RDS . And see what Cole did . Never seen anything like it. If i was reporter I would have asked point blank . What the hell is wrong with you? What is going through your head on that play when you passed it to no one on the boards? What happened when you fell down in your own end and got up and coasted back?

  11. geo_habsgo says:

    Ummm..Mr. Phaneuf’s wife would disagree with you.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jQG8fiib-SY/TQtumFty6QI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/HARTA9OQyjY/s1600/elisha-cuthbert-2jpg1.jpeg

    EDIT: I don’t know why this ended up here. Was a reply to SmartDog who said the Laffs wives are ugly, lol.

  12. Habsrule1 says:

    Damn I don’t know if most Habs fans are this annoying or just the ones on this site.
    It’s 1 really bad game! Teams have had games like this and won the Cup in the same year. Is this the first hockey you people have watched? Cole is having a rough spell. Go look at last year’s stats after 10 games, and then after 82.
    Therrien just got here. MB too. Give them a chance! I swear to God, if Babcock took over this team and they didn’t go 10-0 you “fans” would be caling for his head.
    Bergevin has not even had a year to put his stamp on the team.
    The hockey IQ in this room has to be in the negatives!

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Habfan17 says:

      It is one real stinker of a game but even with the wins, it is emphasizing the point that some of these players are way over valued and there are many areas to address. In the case of DD and Pleks. they aren’t winning faceoffs, they either lose cleanly or are outmuscled, the same thing on the boards. Fighting hard for the puck alog the boards is admirable, but losing 90% of the battles makes that unacceptable.

      Every team will have a stinker, but the Habs as a whole showed no character last night. The only player I saw in the second period that really turned it up and tried to make a difference was Eller. The same Eller Therrien sat out and won’t give a chance with decent wingers.

      Subban looked like a guy who was told to give the puck to his team mates at all times and to not carry it out past his pwn blue line. Let the Kid play!!

      Habfan17

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I’m almost glad they lost bad last night because the other losses camouflaged some problems by being closer and really having it be possible to have been wind.
        After last night, the coaches actually need to work to improve the team…and even MB has something to think about.
        I hope they can make the right moves now.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  13. Mike D says:

    A few thoughts:

    1) Habs lost to the Leafs last night. And by ‘lost’ I mean ‘got their asses handed to them’; and by ‘Leafs’, I mean ‘Marlies’ cuz I don’t know who half those guys are, but they ain’t NHLers which makes the loss that much more of a bitter pill to swallow.

    2) Last night was like shades of the Boston Beatdown, no?

    3) Our futility on faceoffs needs to be addressed and this is a long-time coming.

    4) There is no excuse for the team coming out flat last night. Absolutely no excuse. They just lost two games which were both very winnable, the Buffalo one especially, and that alone should have made them fired up to come out guns blazing. Add to that the Leafs already beat them in the opener which should have fired them up that much more. One game does not make a season, and a team that finished 15th last year is bound to have a couple stinkers this year, but looking half-asleep and playing like it is inexcusable. Pathetic.

    5) Cole is a notorious slow-starter and looked useless for the first 10-12 games last year too if you recall. I’m not concerned about his lack of production at this point, but his lack of effort is concerning. Last year he was the one guy that never seemed to give up, even when it was clear we were gonna lose the game. I hope the lockout BS hasn’t left a lasting bitter taste in his mouth or else he might make himself the best candidate for our other buyout. He did seem to respond well after being benched for a bit. Hopefully he gets it going.

    6) Give Reimer credit for last night. He’s not a good goalie and isn’t good enough to tote Carey’s jock, but he came up with good saves the few times we actually had good opportunities last night, and made all the saves he should have. He was motivated from his last game in Montreal when he got concussed and was determined to shut us out, which he did. We made it pretty easy on him, but still, he accomplished his goal.

    7) I hate not knowing what type of team we have. The bi-polar stuff doesn’t work for me. Are we the team who came back from two-goal deficits to win games earlier in the year, or the team that loses leads, and therefore games, and comes out flat?

    8) For everyone saying “trade half the team”: chill out. A couple guys do need to go but it ain’t because of last night or the past few games. Kaberle and Weber need to go. Maybe another guy or two depending on how the rest of the season goes. A lot of the guys whose heads people are calling for only have one more season left on their contracts.

    9) Last but not least – this is a transition year for us. A chance for MB and co. to evaluate where this team is at, what’s needed, and what needs to go. My hope for our Habs this year is either make the playoffs IF you can actually contend, but if not, may as well finish last and grab another top pick/player at the draft.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  14. mrhabby says:

    we could go on and on about the the loss to the leafs but whats the point.
    i find it funny that so many people crap on cole/dd but loved them last year. players have up and down years thats a fact.
    do i see any changes coming up…still to early i say…if anybody has some reasonable suggestions on how to improve go for it.

    • SmartDog says:

      Yep. Lots of crap here today… but it’s proportional to what we saw last night.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • mrhabby says:

        ya i agree i guess. for me its a year of transition with a whole new management team they have to evaluate and see what they have. i think MB is a very smart guy who will do what he has to do. he did get ride of gomez …..there will more changes soon…frustrating for all.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I for one did not love them. I saw them for what they were. I appreciated what they accomplished but I did not wear the rose coloured glasses that many have. Cole overachieved, Patches showed what he is made of and it was DD’s first season, so I hoped he was for real, but I wanted another season to see if he just benefitted from Patches desire to come back and Cole’s first year as a Hab. Not to mention, the other teams had no clue who he was.

      Now Cole looks like he has already retired, Patches is getting his timming back after his surgery and DD is losing facoffs cleanly or being out muscled on them and along the boards. I think fans chose to only see the points and not his short comings. DD had a very good first season and was over valued I am afraid!

      Habfan17

    • RockinRey says:

      Have a look at the highlights and the “compete” level . Exactly !!! There wasn’t one with Cole. He deserves everything thats coming his way.

      Except his paycheck.

  15. 44har48 says:

    Let’s all step back away from the ledge folks, and put all sharp objects down. I realize it was the Leafs, and that no matter how pathetic either team is, we can’t seem to beat them. Having said that, your Habs are not as good as they started out and not as bad as we witnessed last night. I see a lot of improvement over last year’s club in many areas. There is still a lot of work to do, and we must be patient. There is a much larger plan in motion here that will not get entirely executed this year or even next. I for one, and happy to see it starting out in the right direction. For those of you who are frustrated and tired of waiting for the 25th cup like I, too bad, we are not getting it until this mes is cleaned up more and MB can put more of his mark on this team.

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    The nice thing about a short season is you go from cup contenders to draft lottery in four days. Always look on the bright side.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  17. Mavid says:

    Make up your minds..if they don’t attempt to fight someone who has tried to hurt another player then they are bad because they don’t stand up for each other. When they do they are stupid for trying to fight someone they won’t be able to beat..I would rather see someone go down fighting then to give up and just skate away..sure they were outmatched and outplayed..but they never gave up, and they stood up as best as they could..and who the hell bites another player..of course Max had his arm around his head..it was a crowded scrum..what was he suppose to do, grab him by the waist? Biting him was classless and stupid..he should get suspended for it..but we all know he won’t..

    • Chris says:

      I’m still wating for a clear view of Grabovski actually chomping down. There won’t be a suspension because there is no clear evidence.

      I think it is a classless move. But I’ve said in the past that if a player pulled what Pacioretty did on me, pulling on my head to that extent, I would probably lose any semblance of class and go murderous. There is no need for that crap in hockey.

      Lose like adults. Montreal did not lose like adults, with Prust being the worst of the bunch. Trying to goad Komarov into a fight was bush-league. Grabovski stepped in on Prust, which led to that melee. Why did Pacioretty (the third man in) feel he needed to protect Brandon Prust from Mikhail Grabovski? That boggles the mind. The forearm shiver by Prust to Franson’s face in front of the Leafs net was also bush-league.

      If we’re going to call out Colton Orr for his idiotic move, we’ve got to look in the mirror too. The Habs played stupid hockey last night.

      • Mavid says:

        could not disagree more..biting like hair pulling has no place in hockey regardless of the situation..but hey your entitled to your opinion..

        • Chris says:

          Torquing a player’s head to the point that you could damage their neck also has no place in hockey.

          A bite is largely irrelevant, in the grand scheme of life, unless Grabovski is rabid. At times, I’ve wondered if that might be the case.

          A broken neck can end a player’s career. There is a reason why that particular play is considered fantastically dirty in the NFL. The NHL should follow their lead.

  18. SmartDog says:

    This is all PK’s fault.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  19. WindsorHab-10 says:

    We wren’t ready to play, we weren’t hungry. What a bunch of crap coming from the mouth of our head coach. Shame on you for not getting your team ready to face a joke of a team that you guys made look great, especially after embarrassing your team on opening night in front of a national audience. Seems to me like same old same old. Thanks for ruining my weekend.

  20. twilighthours says:

    Kneeing, biting, fighting, …. I missed a heck of a third period!

  21. HabFanSince72 says:

    I haven’t seen this much angst in one place since I visited the Edward Munch museum.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  22. adamkennelly says:

    lost this game before it started – horrible negative momentum from the last two games spilled over into this one from the start. spewing crap all over the ice from minute one.

    Therien is not the answer – there is a reason he was out of coaching for ages.

    Cole is done – pulling his Edmonton move now, prolly pounded too many beers in the off season..his stock peaked last year and with him not playing well, DD becomes useless.

    D is too damn small – period.

    need a real tough guy who can put in against line-ups like the Leafs iced, just in case.

    Markov is really slow.

    you could tell this was coming, team cannot hold leads at all – sign of bad D and bad coaching.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Did any team pick up Petrecki from waivers from San Jose. If not the Habs should and then put him wth Subban and take the reins of Subban and let him do what he does best on the ice.

      Habfan17

  23. Chris says:

    A few things of note:

    The Montreal power play has been “figured out” by opposing teams. Boston just aggressively attacked the point men who were doing all the damage and dared Montreal’s forwards to make a play. Given how poorly Montreal’s forwards have been playing, this has been a winning strategy. Since then, Buffalo and Toronto have both challenged the point men and taken away their time and space.

    The other issue is that Markov and Subban simply shouldn’t be out there together. Subban has a great shot, but he’s a black hole. For all his superb talents, his power play passing is below average. There were so many passes that are just rockets at his teammates, passes that nobody can one-time, and many of thm are into the teammate’s feet or out of reach, giving the defender time to close and engage in a time-killing puck battle. It takes everybody out of the play except Subban. He’s got to improve at that.

    Montreal’s power play stunk last year with Subban as the focal point. Since Subban’s return to the first-wave power play, things have sputtered. This isn’t Subban’s fault (the sputtering forwards are much more to blame), but Markov and Diaz had a good thing going as two heady players on the point that made good decisions and both could shoot the puck very well. Why Therrien broke them up is beyond me, but he turned around the Penguins and I didn’t so I’ll defer to his wisdom for a while longer.

    On the shenanigans, I kept watching because I wanted to see evidence of Montreal’s “discipline”. What a joke. Montreal were behaving like the Bruins out there, but couldn’t back up their idiotic behaviour when the Leafs called them on it.

    Ah well, they need to regroup. But it is becoming pretty clear that the team’s defensive zone coverages are a little broken at the moment, as the team is too frequently exposed.

    • SmartDog says:

      I strongly agree with the point of Subie being out with Markov on the 1st PP. Diaz was doing a great job and that leaves Subie to do his thing on the 1st wave.

      Seems to me the Habs were believing their own press re. toughness. Ridiculous.

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    • Habfan17 says:

      Montreal’s biggest problem is that they can’t hit the net! Maybe they all need glasses. Far too many shots go wide.

      Habfan17

  24. francbiss says:

    Kaberle looks like he was going to be our 2nd buyout but the way he plays Cole looks like a more likely candidate… At least Kaberle is doing what he’s being ask!!! LOL

  25. habstrinifan says:

    Oh yeah stop using the word “Unacceptable” MT ..AND GORGES…

    Just as the triple low-five became maudlin the way you two are using the word ‘unacceptable’ is becoming unacceptable.

  26. francbiss says:

    Apparently, Cole has retired… but he likes collecting paycheck it seams.
    Gallagher has more passion for the game than many players on that team.
    I rather have White taking stupid penalties than to see Armstrong and Moen figure skating there way around for 60 minutes.

  27. 24 Cups says:

    I find it fascinating how many posters have turned so quickly on Erik Cole. Last year he was the bee’s knees, captain material who should immediately replace Gionta. Now, not so much.

    Frazer McLaren did Josh Gorges one hell of a big favour. He could have easily demolished him to the point where it would be Lucic-Komisarek all over again.

    I was beginning to wonder if Therrien was going to cross over into Tremblay-Roy territory when he kept Price in at the 6-0 mark.

    The elephant in the room just might be the Markov contract. He becomes an UFA next summer (2014). He’ll be 35 (12/20/78) but his agent will be looking for a long term deal.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Laughing a Gorges was not so classy.

      • Chris says:

        Gorges kept trying to fight long after McLaren made it clear that he was willing to let it end. That wasn’t so classy of Gorges, either. He was looking for a sucker punch for a guy that could have absolutely demolished him at any point.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Speaking of sucker punches, Prust wasn’t exactly classy last night. Same goes for the blatant knee on knee by Orr against Pleks. That could have ended Pleks’ year and the team’s playoff hopes.

          My point about Gorges is quite simple – his career as we know it could have ended last night.

          • Chris says:

            Prust was a giant clown last night, and a lot of what ensued was a result of his actions. Randy Carlyle wasn’t far off in his assessment of Prust, as much as it annoys Habs fans.

            The forearm shiver to Franson was completely pointless. Baiting Komarov (5’10″, 187 pounds) was absolutely classless, as I hadn’t really seen anything egregious by Komarov throughout the game.

            I expect that crap from Colton Orr, a neanderthal who has no business in the NHL. I’m glad Plekanec was able to dodge the hit (it was a terrible suicide pass by Gionta, by the way).

    • Captain aHab says:

      Except no one would expect Gorges to beat McLaren whereas I think folks thought Komi could hold his own.

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  28. Habitforming says:

    Markov has looked terrible since PK came back into the lineup. Not saying PK has anything to do with that, but maybe Markov needs to feel like the #1 guy.

    PK looks scared out there and never rushes the puck or threatens for the big hit anymore. So now he isn’t the player we signed or wanted for the future that all the media and fans loved.

    DD is just awful. Too small, scared of being hit, bad decisions on the ice in all 3 zones.

    Gionta- See DD

    Cole is a shadow of himself and I have no idea why. Injury,?? Did he really hate the CBA enough that he now cant or won’t play? If that’s the casse I hope he retires as he threatened before.

    Armstrong and Moen, I hated playing against these guys because they always seemed to be everywhere on the forecheck on our team. Now that they are here, I notice nothing like that from them, and cant help but think the roster spot or ice time should go elsewhere.

    It will be interesting to see what happens to Orr and Grabovski. It won’t happen, but Kadri needs to be called about his charge/boarding as well.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Actually PK lined someone up for a big hit in the first….missed and got himself completely out of position and gave up a 2 on 1. Price bailed him out and no one commented on it. I’ve seen him do that 3 times now that I can remember. It’s OK to go for the big hit when 1 on 1 or when one guy is coming in on 2 d-men but doing it like he did last night is really really bad. Certainly not saying he’s a problem. He just needs to pick his spots a little better.

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      • Chris says:

        Subban has got to stop with his hits where he turns around to hit the guy. When he misses, he’s completely out of position, and the posture telegraphs what his intentions are.

        The big hit is, more often than not, the wrong hockey play. Fans love it, but it is a selfish play that takes the defenceman out of the play.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Markov has not looked comfortable skating at any time. All his points came on the PP where mobility is less important. I fear his knee isnt 100%.


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  29. HockeyGuy123 says:

    I can understand everyone being upset. I think we go back to the Boston game that was lost. Montreal led in face offs in first winning 6 of 9 faceoffs. Boston unable to set up in the Montreal zone.

    Montreal went on to loose more than 60% of the faceoffs and loose 2-1. Julien made a few adjustments on matchups, moved Seguin to the Lucic Krecji line and all of a sudden found ways to set the cycle up in the defencive zone.

    Fact: only one player on defence is over 220 lbs, Emelin. We know we are vulnerable to the cycle. No quick fix to this but with guys like Tinordi and Pateryn learning their trade this will be fixed internally hopefully. Glaring need for a tough d man who can clear the net. I see the defence as a unit that is built to get the puck up the ice quickly much like the old Detroit defence and can be effective that needs one addition vs a complete overhaul.

    Fact: Desharnais is not a fast skater and horrible on the faceoffs, besides being small. Plekanic holds his own on faceoffs, Galynchuk is still learning to take a faceoff. Only Eller has progressed in this department and Therrien has not taken advantage of it. Eller came into this season 11 lbs heavier with muscle. I was expecting him to progress on face offs and ability to go to the net. He either is helping the kid line or playing with Cole and Desharnais. Eller (takes the faceoffs), Desharnais and Cole (Desharnais has 2 big bodies), Pacioritty with Galynchuk and Gallagher so they have someone to finish the plays or Eller plays with the kids. Puck possession team that cannot win faceoffs will not have much puck possession. The surprise conference finals we added Moore who is above average on faceoffs, it is not a coincidence. Gomez and Plekanic were 50% faceoff guys and Moore was close to 60%. Galynchuk and Desharnais are well below 50% and Plekanic is about 50%. Galynchuk has the potential to hold his own or better and the only other option is Eller.

    White and Prust are moved around the line up as warning shots and they appear on each of the 3 lines occassionally without being instigated so everyone knows they are there.

    Agree with trading guys who are not part of the future in particular if you will not make the playoffs. Kristo, Collberg, Hudson, and so on are also not big players who would join Gallagher, Gionta and Desharnais. Make some room for the young guys.

    Boston is smaller than Montreal but appear bigger because for example Krejci is playing with Lucic, on Defence they have Chara. But really look at their lineup and it is a mixture of balancing the lines that makes the whole look bigger than it is. Besides the gifts from Toronto in the form of Hamilton, Seguin, Rask but that is another story, lol

  30. Habfan10912 says:

    Much work to do. Sadly, the seasons start may have fooled many of us. Could this team sneek into a playoff spot? Maybe. Will it? Perhaps? Should it? Ask our friend HardHabits.

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  31. habstrinifan says:

    “Hustle, hit, pressure the [] on the puck and they will wilt”

    Finally the absolute correct phrase to describe the type of line that this team has been missing and NEEDS. Not an individual fighter like White or Prust or Staubitz or BGL or whoever we had before. We need a LINE (and yes players like the above must be combined for that line) but we need a line focussed on that task. And then the entire team must be dragged along. Having ‘one guy’ to fight is nonsense.

    And oh yea .. make up our minds. Either Weber or Kaberle or whoever of our defense must be traded for a steady big D.

    Sorry.. I know it’s the same old ccry.. but then again it’s the same old need.

    And that need is driven home time and time again when we play ‘big games with established opponents who are primed to face us.

    Also do they really need a day-off today??? Rememer between last game and the one before they had a day off and AN optional pracctice.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Agree. It really is getting old to watch our dman unable to get the Puck out of their end or clear the crease. If I were MB I would start there then go find myself a coupleof centers who are taller then 4’5″ who can win a faceiff every once in a while.
      Getting tired of the same ole same ole. Good morning btw.
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      • habstrinifan says:

        Morning abfan10912… and EricinStl… It sems to me that we could have obtained a releatively cost-effective BIG-D person during the last two summers. For example look at Sheldon Brookbank in Colorado and what he’s doing now. And he sat many many months unsigned.

    • EricInStL says:

      Problem is NOBODY needs Weber or Kaberle. You cannot get rid of those players. Maybe if Gauthier was in charge of a beer league hockey team. But no NHL team would ever take them.

  32. Danno says:

    What’s up with Cole?

    Something is wrong and it’s affecting his game.

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  33. Habfan17 says:

    What a mess! Was it just me or does Cole look lost out there? Markov could not keep up and it seems Subban has been told not to skate the puck up past his own blue line! With the exception of perhaps Eller, the Habs can’t win a face off to save their lives!

    I know a lot of people like Desharnais, but al I see is a talented water bug who jitters across the ice with energy but accomplishes little. He is ineffective in his own zone and loses all battles along the boards. DD does not win faceoffs and the odd time he does, he is out muscled. Sure St. Louis is an impact player, but DD does not have the same skill level. I give him a+ for effort, but d- as a first line centre.

    Eller again was hitting, forechecking and making things happen more so than 80% of the team last night. It is one thing to ask Subban to tone it down with the media, but it is time to take the leash off on the ice! In the first period it sure looked like he would hit his own blueline and then dish it off to his defense partner as if he was saying, oh yeah, I”m not supposed to cross my blueline with the puck! Please. let the kid play to his strengths!!!

    Over the first 7 games I thought I was wrong about Therrien and that maybe his selection was a good one, it still may be but the last 3 games seem to point to him being out coached and exposed bad player decisions on his part. Eller has been one of the 5 best Habs one the ice for the last 4 games yet, he is stuck on the 4th line….why!!! We keep saying Eller needs to prove he can be at least a second line centre. Well, put him there and let’s see. Pleks is working well with Gionta and Cole, although Gionta seems to be out of gas so it does not make sense to move Pleks, so make that the first line and put Eller with Cole and Patches and see what happens! If Cole is not happy, move him back to Carolina and get something, anything for him!!

    It is time to see what the Habs are truely made of and if Therrien is the right guy. Bergevin has some tough decisions to make. I know one game does not make a season and it would be a bonus in a way to finish near the bottom one more time, but if the team and Therrien can’t answer the bell, well, some changes will need to be made!

    Yes, the refs sucked again last night. Kadri charges Emelin..or boarding, niether call is being made anymore. Are they still penalties in the rule book? If you want to cut down on injuries and concussions, call those two penalties. Sure Prust started going after Leafs, trying to spark the team and send a message to the Leaf’s who were crossing the line but the Leafs played real dirty in the 3rd, attempting to rub extra salt in the wound!

    Habfan17

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree with your point on Subban. I am not gonna get off on this topic cause I know the people lurking to jump with their anti Subban cocky; not team oriented etc. The fact of the matter is that I know TWO SPORTS in which your skilled player must act almost individually to dictate the play.. HOCKEY AND SOCCER. Tie their hands too much and you will lose the game; the player;and eventually the team.

  34. BJ says:

    From the Toronto Star:
    “Prust, we know what kind of player he is,” said Leafs coach Randy Carlyle. “He goes out and cheap-shots Grabovski. What are we supposed to do? Not play the rest of our players the rest of the night? They got another think coming. That’s not happening to our group.”
    In fact, one could argue the Leafs are showing more truculence under Carlyle and new GM Dave Nonis and than they ever did under Brian Burke, who preached it.
    “We’re going to stick up for our teammates and finish the game accordingly,” said Leafs forward Clarke MacArthur. “When things happen, you’ve got to answer the bell. A good job by us.
    “Everyone has each other’s back. We’ve got a lot more beef in the lineup. If things come to blows, we’re going to be there for each other.”

    • Habfan17 says:

      Carlyle is full of it! Enough said!

      Habfan17

    • habstrinifan says:

      Carlyle is just being disingenuous. But it is also NONSENSE watching a ‘semi-fighter’ take on another team in the dying minutes of a 6-0 drubbing. The coach should have had them hitting and pressuring long before that… no need to ‘send a message’ in the last couple minutes. Teams who are kicking your butt in a game dont give you respect for that.

  35. EricInStL says:

    Weird but I trust Bergevin. He will do the right choices at the trading deadline. One way or another the team will dictate his moves. Out of the playoffs (most likely), out go Cole, Markov and whoever has trade value. Next year’s team will be Bergevin’s team.

    If they make the playoffs great more $$$$, if not, Molson was probably ready to absorb it for only this year. It’s next year where things get serious for Bergevin and his staff. Also all the kids have one year under their belts. Very important….

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree, however, to me no matter where they are at the deadline, I would move Cole Gionta, Markov, Kaberle, DD and would consider even Plaeks if teams offer anything that make sense and add more pieces for the future. The Habs are not close enough to be serious contenders with these players and by the time they are, these guys will be either too old or gone anyways. Might as well get something you can use sooner than later.

      Habfan17

  36. jrshabs1 says:

    The boys wore thier mangina last night…..
    1st… trade Markov now before he gets hurt..his quick start is nothing but a fart in the wind.
    2nd..trade Diaz he’s too small.
    3rd…THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE IT’S THE SAME YEAR AFTER YEAR…GET BIGGER AND MORE PHYSICAL…BE THE BULLY MONTREAL.

    Go Habs Go!!

  37. Old Bald Bird says:

    Mother told me there’d be times like this. I can’t believe I watched the whole thing. But it was intriguing to see how bad it would get. I had a feeling that the Leafs would take it to us, but I never dreamed it would be that bad.

    There’s not much point in dissecting after a game like that. The Boston and Buffalo games are probably the best indicators of where this team is at. In other words, not a great place but neither like those magical few early season games nor the last night’s laugher.

    (i) When the vets like Gionta and Cole and even Pacs are not pulling their weight (to be kind) whether they can’t or won’t, and (ii) when DD and Markov are being exposed, (iii) when the team is small, (iv) when the kids are too young, and (v) when the coach is still busy teaching PK humility, the right mix is certainly not there.

    The one thing that I will disagree with in part is that is the notion that it’s all up to the coach to get the guys ready to play. These are men, pros who have the responsibility to be ready. It reminds me of last year, when they played about four very good, uptempo games after the initial bad start. Then they regressed badly. At that time, I thought JM had pulled them back into their shell. Now, after a pretty impressive start, they seem to be reverting in exactly the same way. So maybe it never was the coach. Who knows?

  38. Cal says:

    Looks like I picked the right game to miss. On to Tampa and Armageddon!

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  39. LizardKing1967 says:

    OK. Folks. Take a chill pill.
    I am just as upset and p***ed off as most of you, but put your Molson Dry down and grab a Tylanol.
    This team IS NOT Marc Bergevin’s team YET. 90% of what’s on the ice was inherited from Gainey and the Goat. Yes, we saw flashes of a team that wants to play for the new GM and Coach, but these guys are still the SAME players we had last year.
    We are ONLY the fans. And we SEE the glaring problems. Do you really think MB and MT don’t see them as well? Of course they do! But you can’t change your underwear AND your WHOLE waredrobe in one night!
    I am sure MB is watching and learning. I am sure the gears are turning and he’s taking notes. You can’t just say “Hey, let’s trade Cole, Gio and Kaberle!” You actually need to have a TRADING PARTNER. Did anyone really think we were winning the Cup this year?? Please.

    Give it time. Give MB AND MT time. You finish LAST in the conference, you ain’t gonna win it all overnight. We are on the right track with MaxPac, Gally, Chucky, Pleks, Eller, Prust, Subban, Diaz, Gorges and Price, not to mention the Tinordis et al. This team WILL get better, and as much patience as I DON’T have, I also HAVE.

    Right now…….
    we don’t look like a contender……BECAUSE WE ARE NOT!
    Give it a season or two. Miracles don’t take 5 minutes (or one trade).

    Better to finish last again and get a second top pick anyway (even tho it hurts me to not see us in the playoffs).

    Chill boys and girls.

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    • The Cat says:

      I could see your point of view after the Buffalo game, and yes stinkers will happen any team, but last night was unacceptable on very many levels.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  40. The Cat says:

    A big D-man would help a great deal, as it is now PK and Bouillon are the muscle back there, and thats not good enough to contend. Habs are losing scrappy divisional games. 2-5 so far.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  41. Bogie Man says:

    What a stinker last night. Although we out shot them in the last two periods, all our scoring chances were from the paremeter and no one crashed the net. We could not get by their Defence. There was no one who really stood out to having a good game, except maybe some could argue Gallagher played well and I think Josh Gorges played hard and Plekanec gave it his all. But these guys will everytime however we cannot win games on the backs of three players. Toronto cam prepared and ready to battle, our coach appeared to not get our team ready to battle, we looked uninterested at times. This game smells and looked alot like last years team other than a few new faces and a new coach it is last years team. We need to make some more trades. Clean house a bit more. In order to rebuild we need a good strong mix of the young and motivated and the senior guys who are young at heart and stil motivated. I would see what we can do at the draft and trade for some more young players now no matter what it takes. Markov, Kaberle, Weber, DD, Gionta, Diaz and Cole are all good tradable assets that could get young motivated players in return!

  42. boozebrother2 says:

    What a disgusting nite.First hockey this year,308.00 dollars for tickets and another 20.00 for parking.Thank god we didn’t buy any over priced beer.I HAVE NEVER seen a bad game like this in years.Left at the end of 2nd. They want the fans to come back after the lockout and this is how we are rewarded.Were not making salaries like the players but the have the nerve to play like this.Ok if we were paying 20.00 dollars like some of the other franchises do and the price I payed to be way up in the nose bleed section.I really do think we should have been reimbursed for this.Or the players should be docked for not showing up.Hey Jeff Molson do u hear us.Sub par performance………
    edward smith

  43. OK something is wrong here. During the lockout out I supported the owners.

    I sold off over half my memorabilia collection of today’s players.

    I swore that I would never get excited again over millionaires and a game.

    Then the game came back, and we came back.

    Last night at the Wheat King’s game the out of town score board was running. You could hear the ooooooooooooo’s so even though I PVR the game I had to look.

    But when I saw the score, and being surrounded by Leaf fans who know me, I laughed (that’s a first)

    “OMG, no offense boys but if I were coaching, I’d have the team so pumped up they’d be ready to not only destroy the Leafs, they’d make them feel like they never wanted to come back”

    You can win every game of the season, but in Montreal, if you can’t beat Boston or Toronto, then you’re in trouble.

    Anyway. Normally I’d still be upset, it’s a weird feeling actually not caring.

    But hey the ride was fun while we beat up on teams that didn’t show 6 nights.

    Back to work Habs, win some more and make us forget last night ever happened.

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  44. Captain aHab says:

    And finally can people please stop with the “now THIS next game will be telling”. Can we agree that they’re all telling and stop mentioning it? It’s getting old.

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  45. Captain aHab says:

    Oh and Boone: if you ever get a real offer like that from Bar Refaeli and can’t go, I’ll sub in. Even if it means missing the playoffs. I’m sure a few others here would be willing to make that ultimate sacrifice.

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    • habstrinifan says:

      Not me! I rather watch Plekanec in a full-coverage turtle-neck ripping it high than Bar Refaeli in a pop-up bra leaning over low.

      But that’s just me… and Boone I guess.

    • boing007 says:

      You could always watch the playoffs online from Aruba while sipping on a Pina Colada and ogling the swimsuit parade passing by.

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  46. smiler2729 says:

    lol

    The NHL won’t punish any Toronto players, c’mon, give your head a shake!

    This is the most embarrassing loss since that Boston beatdown a couple of years ago, the difference is Bergevin will do something about it where Goats just ate his vegetables and hid the cookies…

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    • BJ says:

      MacIntyre and Erskine or whoever is up and coming with size and fists. Play them when you need to. Better than having Kaberle and Weber that no longer have a place on this team.

  47. Captain aHab says:

    I stopped watching early in the third. Just watching replays of what went on later, I can’t see the league penalizing Orr and Grabovski might get one game.

    Eller with the kids
    Keep Pleks’ line together
    Put Prust with Cole and Pacioretty
    Have DD with whatever 4th liners or sit him down.

    Eller was hands down one of our best players last night – one of the few actually fighting for the puck and winning his battles. If he doesn’t get a serious icetime promotion then the whole meritocracy thing will officially be just as much bullcrap. He needs to play second line minutes at least.

    EDIT: Just checked and Eller actually played 15 minutes so he was at least recognized in game. But he got very little PP time. And Moen played more time on the PP than Galchenyuk which I have difficulty understanding. Bump the kids to Eller’s 15 minutes and put them together.

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  48. BJ says:

    Mike Boone, did we watch the same game? You say we were not outmuscled and intimidated? I don’t agree. We were intimidated from the start. The size of the Leafs vs us was obvious even to the blind, yes we were outmuscled. If I was Bergevin I would trade late choices or Weber and any soft wood on the team for a couple of bruisers (use them when we need them). We have a good core of players but if we don’t get bigger forget it we will be struggling to make the playoffs despite some of the obvious talent we have. NightRider had a good suggestion to start it off, lets get MacIntyre and whoever else can stand up to Orr, McClaren, Fraser etc. Prust can’t do the job alone and White is not the answer. We keep saying we have speed, its true but so do the other teams and the ones that have size and muscle to boot have an advantage. We have won games vs teams that don’t have too much toughness (except Buffalo in the 6-1 game). Erskine might be available in Washington, I would look there as well.

  49. Clay says:

    Perspective:
    If someone told you before the season started that we would have an identical record to Detroit after 11 games, you would likely have been happy.
    Well, we have the same record as them, so enough whining. :)

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  50. Habby67 says:

    What a pathetic joke last night was. They lost to them the first game and you would think they would be motivated because of that and the fact they gave away 2 games this week but of course not. I called it before the game and was right. They almost never play well against the Leafs. The players and coaches can rant all they want but they will fall flat on their asses against the Bolts, mark my words. Embarrassing and disgusting, but what else is new.

  51. F50Marco says:

    Missed the game but from the reactions here and what replays I’ve seen, it was bad one……

    While i agree this team clearly needs some more toughness, don’t fool yourselves, It’s the goals that will win you games. All the toughness in the world won’t add up to much if you can’t score.

    If the Habs would of tied this game up early in the 2nd, and regardless of if we eventually lost the game, we wouldn’t be talking about Orr and Mclaren cause they wouldn’t of been playing much.

    Now for the flip-side. Say what you want, a heavy weight fighter still impacts the game from time to time. It’s undeniable and not having one guy that you can throw into the lineup to cause havoc for a game is something i think every team should have. The coach has got to have feel for when the times right to dress a fighter and when you see the other team has a couple dressed, it should be a no brainer.

    Also I really can’t believe some of the posters around here. The Habs get a couple wins and they’re contenders, they lose a couple games, albeit i agree this last one in horrible fashion, and we throw them all under the bus? Just another case of what have you done for me lately? As much as i expect more from this team i expect the same from their fans.

    Finally, although this team has made some strides in the right direction, there is a lot of improvement needed. We all see it but if you think trading everybody on the team is gonna change things, think again. It’s only 11 games into the MB/MT regime. No need to over-react and Gauthier/Gainey this team up just to hopefully make the playoffs this year. Let the process take it’s time. Rock-bottom was last year and we’re on the rise but 15th to 1st in 11 games is just dreaming. Dont forget, without our supposed 1st line playing well, an abysmal faceoff win % and lack of team toughness we’re still in 7th place. That’s a lot better than what Washington can say right now.

    Keep it classy Montreal, we’re better than this.

  52. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …and, as Dr. Recchi would tell You …’take an aspirin, and call Me in the morning’ :)

  53. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …one of those nights I’m just going to keep My thoughts to Myself on what Our Team’s problems are, except to say Timo and the Dude may not be too eloquent, but They identify many of them more cogently than many of Our more well-spoken commenters

    …and I will also say this, tonight validates what I said when Carlyle was hired, and again later after Burke was fired, that Carlyle and Nonis will turn-around the Weeds …and, henceforth, they will become not a laughing stock anymore, but a serious rival

    • F50Marco says:

      As much as seeing the laffs be the laughing stock of the NHL, they’ve also paid their dues. I dont mind a better Leafs team as long as the habs are with them every step of the way. I actually prefer it. Beating Toranta feels that much better when we know they’re better than they’ve been in recent years. A serious rivalry makes the games that much more intense and worth watching.

  54. rogieshan says:

    I wonder if some of the trust between the players and the coach is already starting to erode as a result of the White affair.

  55. Michael says:

    This web site is a bipolar disorder support group that sticks to one topic.

    • Clay says:

      Which would make them (us?) unipolar, no?

      __________________________
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      • Michael says:

        No.

        I don’t know where to begin with that.

        Do you think ‘bipolar disorder’ means you only talk about two things?

        • Clay says:

          Jesus, relax man. I am well aware of what it means. Are you? If you can’t take a joke, you shouldn’t be on the internet.

          __________________________
          ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

          • habstrinifan says:

            Actually Clay I think your phrasing was absolutely clever. A bi-polar disorder group with a singularity of ‘topic’. Just went over Michael’s head I think.

            Edit: Ok I AM SORRY. I read this exchange wrong. Michael your phrasing was the original and it was as I said clever. Clay was just poking fun which you missed. Bottom line the phrasing was cool.

  56. VancouverHab says:

    No Gomez, no White, no Budaj….and the most disgraceful game in my 45 years following the Habs. I will never forget our tiny captain trying to avenge a cheap shot, Bourque getting decked with no pushback by an easy punch, and an “A” getting held and laughed at by a Leaf.

    Gainey’s post-Koivu crew was light-years beyond than this utter failure.

  57. Rooster says:

    Not to mention if Gio cole and dd get moved it gives the kids a REAL shot at establishing themselves

  58. Rooster says:

    Need to go: Erik Cole, Brian Gionta, David desharnais, kaberle
    What we need in return : big strong 4th line Center who excels on the pk, and is great at face offs (jarret stoll?? Brian Boyle???) 4th line RW (I still think blunden can fill that role nicely) big strong nasty RD, draft picks.

    This isn’t our year boys, we need to add on some smaller pieces that’ll make us tougher to play against, but we still need to prepare for the future. Trade cole and Gionta, some cap space will do us some serious good in the offseason. Possibly even try and move marky at the deadline. Tbh another top 3 pick helps us out alot more than a first round playoff exit. Just imagine next year gally73 -gally 27 – drouin that would be the line we’ve all been waiting for, for over 20 years

    • 27kovi says:

      For the “4th line Center who excels on the pk, and is great at face offs “, I think that Nate Thompson on the Lightning would be perfect. The times I’ve seen him play, he worked real hard on the boards and he does excel killing penalties. As for face-offs, I don’t know how he is. Would be excited if the Habs picked him up.

  59. Timo says:

    From Tsn site -”We weren’t ready to start,” said Montreal defenceman Josh Gorges. “Toronto, at home, in our building, and we’re not ready to play? That’s not good enough.”

    Did any reporter in that room bother to ask Mr Gorges why? Why professional athletes who get paid millions allow themselves to not be ready for a game? Any one reporter?

  60. Timo says:

    Bar Rafaeli – mazal tov.

  61. SomersetVII says:

    “worst and most embarrassing home-ice loss in 16 years.”

    Is that serious? The sky really must be falling.

  62. The Dude says:

    Ok..here it is,This is basically the same team as last year but with a different coach and G.M. ,too bad cause now these airheads think they can do better with whats been served. MT & MB maybe watch last years games without your ego’s and remember what division this is”a HEAVY WEIGHT ONE!” AND MAKE THE F’N CHANGES YOU NEED TO MAKE. Gionta ,Cole, Markov are $15 million per of the budget and they are wanted by other teams ,cause they’re good teams who are gonna make the playoff’s no problem….and grab some BIG, HUGE ,Kassian et Lucic type youngsters and start building this team for this conference and a future play-off’s .”some thing that’s not gonna happen this year,lol” It’s how we DO IT boy’s to have a chance,cause this shit ain’t working and it hasn’t for 20 years. You fight FIRE with Fire……………

  63. Timo says:

    I can only hope that this game has officially ended the honeymoon with Therrien and Bergevin. This team is pathetic from start to finish, from top to bottom. In a way, I hate these players so much that I can only hope that they feel miserable and bad things happen to them but I know it won’t. They don’t give a shit and kind of “pissed off” during the interviews is just for show. This and other losses is nothing hookers and blow won’t fix.

    Here is to another high draft pick and for Therrien and Bergevin getting run out of town sooner rather than later.

  64. arthadude says:

    Who was our head coach in 1996? Oh right, Le Bluet.

    I wonder if MT singling out Ryan White after the last game made some guys “buy out” of the system?

  65. NightRyder says:

    Deal for MacIntyre. I’m serious. He can’t play at all, but neither can Armstrong, who can’t fight a lick. Just dress him once in awhile. Doesn’t mean we need to abandon the notion of team toughness. It just means Prust can’t fight behemoths every night, and once in a blue moon, you need the knuckle-dragger. Mac is a little cuckoo.

    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97306
    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/89196
    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/93965

    • commandant says:

      What does the knuckle dragger do, if like Prust and Moen, he’s not on the ice when the Orr incident occurs?

      Orr was kicked out… McLaren in the Box…. Fraser with Prust in the box…. what would a MacIntyre do if he was on the bench at the time?

      Go Habs Go!
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      • NightRyder says:

        Hop out there next shift and lay a beating on Phaneuf. The Habs were a little bigger with Staubitz in the lineup last year. Mac makes Staubitz look like Mike Ribeiro in the toughness department. You can preach team toughness all you want, and scoring on the PP is the best retribution. But we have guys laughing at our little gamers in the middle of fights. Orr knows he can do whatever he wants and will only have to fight Prust. That makes our opponents much tougher to play against. Whether you like it or not, that needs to be addressed, even in sporadic fashion, especially in the regular season. If you’re going to have a deterrent, get the biggest freaking gun you can find. Signing Colby Armstrong doesn’t make us tougher to play against in any way in any game.

      • Timo says:

        Hopefully they get on the ice the following shift and end Phil Kessel’s career. Do the same thing Orr does. What good for a goose…

        • Whatever says:

          If anything, it makes Kessel think he is next. Thus, disrupting his game and the other Kessel type players.

          The last thing Phil Kessel wants is for his goon to go after the other team’s skill players unless that other team doesn’t have anyone to be afraid of. Montreal doesn’t have anything that other teams are afraid of.

      • Whatever says:

        He would be a deterrent.

        He would make our small skill players more confident and less intimidated.

        It’s true what hockey players say…they feel a foot taller when you have that type of player on the team.

        You think for a moment Marchand is the same type of effective player if he was on a team without Chara, Thornton or Lucic? No (expletive) way.

        • NightRyder says:

          I’m not an enormous believer in having a guy who cannot play take any type of regular shift. Most games during a year you won’t need a guy like that and they are useless in the playoffs. But 20-30 games a year, having a guy like MacIntyre in the lineup would be useful. He may not be a hockey player, but as a specialist, he is among the best. We need one of “those” somewhere in the organization.

  66. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    In all of the post game interviews the guys looked awfully pissed off — with themselves more so than the Leafs. As shitty as it was to watch, that is at least the right attitude, which has been lacking before. We’ll see how they respond on Tuesday. Better be huge.

  67. WhatUp says:

    i’m french canadian and i can say that if there is any market for Cole and DD pls pls trade them both. if Molson had any business sense he would give free beer and shooters to all those poor souls that overpay for such bad entertainment. when you pay $100 minimum per ticket and leave (or should leave) in the 2nd period you should be entitled to your money back. lucky i watch from home and have center ice (ended up watching Ducks/ Blues – saw Koivu scoring goals in the 3rd and shootout). it;s not a panic button thing but an embarassement nonetheless

    • Timo says:

      What does you being a french canadian have to do with anything? I am an idiot canadian for watching this crap time and again and I still think all these bums need to go. Maybe Bettman should move Habs to Kansas city and then finally this joke of a team will end. I know I won’t lose my sleep over it.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Amen, mon frere!

  68. habsgod says:

    it’s time this team had a true heavyweight a fighter …… the toughest guy in the league perhaps ,and that guy is non other than george parros he’d make sure that meat heads like maclaren and colton orr would behave themselves and if they didn’t he’d hand them their collective asses ! this way guys like josh gorges,brendan gallagher can play their game which they are dam good at …. and then prust for as tiough as he is woon’t be miscast as a heavyweight and could fight but doesn’t have to worry about doing it all,and he can then continue to mentor our 2 future star players galchenyuk and gallagher. It’s time for mb to call dale tallon and acquire parros.

  69. Stormin says:

    re post in case someone has not seen this fffffffff incredible, should allow this in NHL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yFpsd2JuXs

    I am sure everyone may have seen this already but if not watch this video it is unbelievable, hockey ref has had enough takes his helmet off and goes nuts on player who bumps him and knocks him over. HILARIOUS
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yFpsd2JuXs

  70. shootdapuck says:

    So what now is plan B?

    MT’s sit-down solution can’t work for 22 players without the PA getting involved.

    Kaberle and Weber are not a solution nor do they hold any intrinsic trade value.

    Was 6-2 a mirage or a tease?

    The PP has been exposed and the weakness exploited!

    So why isn’t MT on the ice tomorrow implementing something anything different?

    =================================================
    The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

    “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
    “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
    ” I have a pet peeve”

    • commandant says:

      Every team has a bad game. Like I said below, a bag skate can show them this effort is unacceptable, but that doesn’t mean you need to go back to the drawing board with everything else.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • shootdapuck says:

        Was Boston just a bad game was Buffalo just a bad game?

        Three in a row is not just a bad game! It’s a loosing streak!

        When your bread and butter PP has been solved then what?

        When your breakout is known and the opposition know how to negate your speed counter attack then what?

        You implement change! Likewise for poor performers who don’t need to be named.

        Those who sit on their hands become the Toronto Maple Laffs for 40 plus years!

        =================================================
        The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
        ” I have a pet peeve”

        • commandant says:

          You also don’t overreact on a bad week.

          Especially when you were the better team for most of the game in both the Boston and Buffalo losses.

          If this was three 6-0 games in a row, I’d accept that. But it wasn’t.

          Sure the team needs little tweaks, but it would need little tweaks if they won 3 in a row too. But there is no evidence, yet, that massive changes are necessary.

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          • shootdapuck says:

            I was advocating systemic changes to counteract what is being done.

            Nothing massive but something, a new wrinkle to upset what have become stifling defensive moves!

            BTW winnable games are not lost by well run teams!

            Cheers going to tee off now!

            The joys of mobile communication sitting in a golf cart in Thailand and critiquing a Habs game!

            =================================================
            The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

            “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
            “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
            ” I have a pet peeve”

        • The Jackal says:

          If you were watching the previous two games, then you would know they were winnable. This game was a stinker, they happen, but the last two we could have had in the bag. This is not a bad team, and the laffs are definitely not a better team than us, that’s for sure.

  71. commandant says:

    A few things

    1) Effort is unacceptable… MT must bag skate the team.

    I can’t think of a single player who played well. Sure some (like Eller, Gally, Chucky) sucked less than the others, but no one played well. Bag Skate em all.

    Cancel the Sunday Day off, give them monday off instead.

    2) That said, a GM must be different from coach, MB can not overreact to one bad loss or even a bad week… the roster evaluation must be more long term and not an overreaction to small sample size.

    3) Not sure a pure goon would have helped on the Orr incident. Moen was on the bench, Prust was in the box. By the time our two best fighters can get on the ice, the damage is done. Having a 4 minute per game goon doesn’t help because by the time he can get up off the bench, all the players are in the box or thrown out of the game already.

    4) I’m glad we traded Grabovski, I don’t care how many points he scores, he’s a little bi-otch, and an embarrassment to the game. Biting is totally unacceptable.

    5) Learn to Win a faceoff FFS

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    • shootdapuck says:

      Glad Graboski was dispatched as well!

      He’s a flake who walked out on the team in a temper fit!

      Same mentality as his two former team-mate compatriots the “special K’s”.

      =================================================
      The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

      “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
      “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
      ” I have a pet peeve”

      • Clay says:

        Sergei did, but not Andrei. Facts matter.

        __________________________
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        • shootdapuck says:

          Andrei just went out and got pissed night before an afternoon playoff game!

          Real responsible!

          =================================================
          The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

          “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
          “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
          ” I have a pet peeve”

        • Clay says:

          Allegedly. But still not the same as walking out in a temper tantrum.

          __________________________
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          • shootdapuck says:

            No allegedly at all was seen in the bars surrounding Jobing.com in Glendale was also reported in the Phoenix newspapers as being quite visible and pissed when trying to return to team hotel.

            Teams’ reaction also refutes “allegedly”, gone gone and nobody in the NHL wanted him as a FA!

            Says it all not much different than walking out just the distances involved.

            =================================================
            The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

            “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
            “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
            ” I have a pet peeve”

          • Clay says:

            You miss the point, so I will repeat it; this is not the same as walking out in a temper tantrum.

            __________________________
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          • shootdapuck says:

            Any you missed the original point which was Graboski is a flake just with like mentality to his two compatriot brothers!

            =================================================
            The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

            “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
            “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”
            ” I have a pet peeve”

      • NJhealthyscratCH says:

        Not saying change isn’t needed (this team’s clearly still a work in progress), but a very good Boston team just played better the last two periods and the Buffalo game was kind of a fluke. If White doesn’t lose his head there, the Sabres don’t score quick and steal the momentum of that game and win. If we’re 7-3 coming into tonight, this game gets shaken off easily.

    • Wintercount says:

      team needs to bag the coach! he’s throwin’ galchenyuk out there without rhyme or reason. if this continues, rather see the kid go back to sarnia …..

      ex nihilo nihil fit

    • F50Marco says:

      Thank you Commandant for actually being the voice of reason around here. You along with a couple others are the only reason i keep coming back to HIO honestly.

    • Chris says:

      Grabbing a guy from behind while he is engaged with another player and yanking on his head is equally unacceptable.

      I love Pacioretty, but he had no business doing what he was doing to get bitten. I haven’t watched the slow motion replay to know if Grabovski actually chomped down or if Pacioretty was yanking so hard on Grabovski’s face that he caused the damage himself. That was pathetic.

  72. kwhaleseatemraw says:

    I can’t help but think Eller is our best trade bait…..thoughts??

  73. Steeltown Hab says:

    I took a break from the Eller vs Desharnais debate. But it’s clear now.

    Been preaching to the choir for long enough. Eller has been better than DD all year. Desharnais is struggling huge another -3 tn. Cole brutal as well. Eller’s time to get top 6 C minutes. DD can sit a couple, he’s been that bad.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Preaching to the choir means trying to convince the people who already agree with you.

      The analogy you were looking for is lone voice in the wilderness, lunatic on a soapbox, that sort of thing.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  74. jedimyrmidon says:

    Well… at least we have a nice picture to stare at after the loss…

  75. rnbws.ncronwrcr says:

    don’t forget gallagher too.

  76. Strummer says:

    You give Burke too much credit for the Leaf win last night.

    Leafs were an abysmal failure under Burke.
    That’s why he walked the plank.

    He sent Orr to the minors last year to make room for a skilled player defying his own logic. He knew he was spinning his wheels with all brawn no skill.
    Size doesn’t always matter – see Komisarek, Michael

    Who beat us on the first shift last night?
    3 speedy Russians/ Beaurussian.
    No match for our sleep-walking defenders.
    No brawn involved there-

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  77. piper says:

    Give your head a shake and watch the games. It sure isn’t PK thats the problem

  78. Ian Cobb says:

    That is just a few media type clowns, Cherry and Stock. PK is fine with his mates.

  79. S Jack 13 says:

    MT had a great opportunity to strengthen his “team first” concept when R. White had his second strike by letting his team know no matter what happens he would stand by them (deal with it in the locker room).
    Unfortunately, he chose to hang one of his player out to dry where the wolves are especially hungry.

  80. piper says:

    I’ve been saying the Habs need to get bigger for years now. I just hope MB sees the need also. You can think what you want but size is the key to winning in this league. Bob Gainey made a huge mistake thinking they could win with a small fast team.

  81. RockinRey says:

    You are missing the point. The game has changed to a game of skill and physicality. That ability to physical creates space, allows you to fight through checks, to win battles on a consistent basis and to get to the paint.

    Just look at a couple of highlights last night and watch 10 minutes of the l’antichambre where they focused on Cole ( It was sickening to watch). He looked like he was in House league.

    For the Habs to compete with the Flyers, Pens, Rangers, and Bruins they have to be physically capable. With DD, Gionta, and they way Cole is playing plus and invisible Armstrong, and Moen wont work if they are not a factor. They have to step up.

    I believe they are a middling team. But I believe they are a playoff team. There are going to be nights when push back is required. That comes from the D out. They dont have that . Expecting that from Prust up front alone will not work. They were exposed last night.

    The D is not imposing by any measure and neither are the forwards. They simply fade more often than not towards the end of the game. Its up to MT to find a solution and make sure they are prepared , and especially at home.

    I dont want to hear the words Unacceptable. When I keep hearing that it is cringeworthy.

  82. otisfxu says:

    Well if you look at the last 3 cup winners you will find a degree of size and toughness that the Habs do not have. It’s not about having 23 guys 6’5 and 230 lbs., it’s about being able to play 60 minutes of hockey, fighting for the puck and getting where you want and need to be on the ice. I don’t care how much heart you have, guys like Gallagher, Gionta, Desharnais just get shut down and beat around.
    Hockey is intimidation – always will be. The other guy has to know if you hit me you get smacke back. No tougher team in the 70-s and 80-s then the HAbs.

  83. piper says:

    not worth arguing with.

  84. piper says:

    you are mistaken. these teams all had lots of size to go with the skill.
    and i’m sorry about your pee pee.

  85. boing007 says:

    Bring back The Wiz! MAB!

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  86. Habfan17 says:

    I could never figure that out eiter. It also makes it very difficult to adjust his position if the play shifts or the puck changes direction.

    Habfan17

  87. boing007 says:

    Price has a bad case of papillonitis.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  88. HardHabits says:

    The Toronto led owner conglomerate are using the Habs as a proxy to build their dynasty.

  89. Strummer says:

    Colorado- led, I believe.

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  90. boing007 says:

    Price is suffering from papillonitis. A potentially incurable disease.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  91. piper says:

    Yea, I agree we gotta tank. but it would be nice to go out swingin.


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