About last night …


Sorry for the late posting. The HIO gremlins did me in last night.

Just for the sake of argument – and a good argument might be therapeutic after that traumatic Shootout loss in Buffalo – let’s say your Montreal Canadiens miss the playoffs by a point.
That means that when late April rolls around, the Bell Centre will be dark and the team will be losing $4 million in revenue for each playoff game not being played.
Even if the Canadiens were to be swept out of the first round, they would play at least two home games.
Missing out on that by a single point means Ryan White, who is making a prorated $687,500 this season, will cost Geoff Molson $8 million dollars.

Hockey is a team game, and it’s rare you can single out one player as responsible for a loss. But it happens, and it happened in Buffalo.

The Canadiens had this one in the bag. Tomas Plekanec – along with Carey Price, co-MVP of the Canadiens through 10 games – scored his second goal 45 seconds into the third period to give the Canadiens a 4-2 lead. The goal drove a dagger into the hearts of the Sabres, who had seized momentum in the seesaw game with an 18-shot second period.

Less than seven minutes later, with the Canadiens in control and cruising, White shot a harpoon through his teammates, his coach and Canadiens’ fans.

What was White thinking when he pounced on veteran agitator Steve Ott?

Was he thinking at all?

White was back in the lineup after three games as a healthy scratch. He had ensconced himself in Michel Therrien’s doghouse with two minors and a major during a loss in Ottawa. It was not his first night of irrationality.

So what’s to be done with a player who gets into pointless fights and takes brain-dead penalties.

The Canadiens could trade White to Hockey Night in Canada, but P.J. Stock has the spot in perpetuity. Maybe the Team 690?

Maybe I’m being too hard on White, a nice, friendly Western kid who’s unfailingly cooperative with the media. But as surprisingly pleasant as the first part of the season has been, this Montreal Canadiens isn’t good enough to survive indiscipline.

White wasn’t the only Canadien to have an off-night in Buffalo.

Erik Cole looks slow and distracted. Alexei Emelin, for all his big hits, gets confused and out of position. The L’Antichambre gang thinks he should switch sides.

And what was Colby Armstrong doing on the ice when Buffalo tied it up with two ticks left on the clock?

But the team got stellar performances from Plekanec, Rene Bourque, P.K. Subban, Raphael Diaz, Lars Eller, Brandon Prust and, yes, Peter Budaj, who faced more shots than Carey Price has in any game this season.

Brendan Gallagher scored his fourth and Alex Galchenyuk started the Shootout with a beauty. Hey coach, how about more even-strength minutes for the kids?

If you project last season’s results on a 48-game schedule, it should take 54 points to make the playoffs.

The Canadiens need 41 points in their remaining 38 games – 21 of which will be on the road.

If they get only 40 …



  1. The Dude says:

    If Therrien got fired from a team that has Crosby and Malkin it pretty much say’s it all….and then they won the cup.

  2. Loonie says:

    Many of us, me included are not happy with Desharnais lately. But I think if he just starts to accept that he needs to move the puck near immediately when it touches his stick he’ll be fine.

    He just doesn’t have the frame to shield off defenders and buy time.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      He seems to thrive on time. The reality is he likely won’t be given as much this season. I’m not convinced he can actually be faster at getting passes off.

  3. Habfan17 says:

    Put The two Gally’s on the first line with Patches, sit DD, put Cole on the 3rd line with Eller and Prust. Bring Blunden back up for the 4th line and sit White again. Cole may be disinterested since he is so unhappy with the new CBA and said he may retire at season’s end. Maybe Bergevin should see if Carolina wants him back for a 4th round if he only plays out this season and a 2nd round if Cole changes his mind and plays out hos full contract. Or maybe move him at the deadline and at least get something for him rather than lose him at the end of the year for nothing.


    • Habsrule1 says:

      You’re not sitting a 35 goal scorer cause he started slow. He started even slower last year.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Habfan17 says:

        Why not, he has been getting beaten way too much and the line isn’t scoring.


        • Habsrule1 says:

          It just makes no sense. You don’t get a good player like Cole going by sitting him. He is trying but it’s not going in, much like the start of last season. Someone even mentioned benched Pacioretty. You don’t bench your best players when they are in a slump. You get their confidence up by putting them in situations to succeed.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Habfan17 says:

            It isn’t being benched for bad play, there is a big difference. If DD watches from the press box for a couple of games, he may just see why he is having a tough time. I am comparing his play this season to last and he does not look like the same player.


          • Habfan17 says:

            This isn’t a full season where teams have the luxury of giving players 10 to 12 games to get on track. The Hans cannot afford to give any top player too many games to get going. If they do, they could be too far behind to catch up to make the playoffs! The Gally’s are proving they can play and aren’t intimidated. They are putting up points. Why not give them a couple of games.

          • Habfan17 says:

            This isn’t a full season where teams have the luxury of giving players 10 to 12 games to get on track. The Habs cannot afford to give any top player too many games to get going. If they do, they could be too far behind to catch up to make the playoffs! The Gally’s are proving they can play and aren’t intimidated. They are putting up points. Why not give them a couple of games.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Who mentioned DD? We were talking about Cole, then I brought up Pacioretty.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Habfan17 says:

        Not to mention he is terrible in the faceoff circle. Even if he wins a draw, he is taken out right away. He has a hard time on the boards an spends more time on the ice off of his skates rather than on the blades. He has been rough in his own end. I like the guy, but DD has more weknesses than strengths!


      • Habfan17 says:

        I am also not sold that DD is a number 1 or 2 centre. Both Cole and pacioretty had career years last season and it may just be that DD benefitted more from them then they from he. One season does not make a player. I hope I am wrong, but I think the Habs would be better off either trading him or moving him to the wing and putting Eller in his spot. Then next season if he is ready, Galchenyuk

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I’m not sure it’s not the other way around. DD set up a lot of goals last year by getting the puck out from the boards. Pacioretty also said DD is the best centre he has ever played with. DD has succeeded at every level, including the NHL now so there is no way I’m giving up on him. If Eller continues to improve, maybe we have the best 3 centres in the NHL in a couple years.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • habsnyc says:

      The two Gally’s are not ready to be first line players for a full NHL season. Maybe for a shift or two, but they are not ready to play against the opposing team’s top line each night. They need much more experience. The coach is doing the right thing, picking his spots for them, putting them in a position to succeed, not in a high pressure spot.
      While it would be great to clear cap space and certainly Cole is a possible forward to trade, Carolina has moved on. They signed Semin and traded for Staal. The problem is that Cole has two and half seasons left on his contract. Montreal was the only team willing to give him a four year deal. I cannot imagine another team wanting Cole at this salary for this many years.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I was not suggesting for the whole season, just a few games to exploit their energy and at least they know how to shoot quickly and hit the net! Not to mention score goals. It just might ignite Patches


        • habsnyc says:

          Pax is not even supposed to be skating for another week. At least wait until he recuperates before trying to ignite him.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  4. Habsrule1 says:

    I’m a team concept kinda guy, but this loss is mostly on White. Like it or not, his role is to be tough and to pick his spots for either defending a teammate or changing the momentum in a game. Don’t blame Therrien, the media or the fans for wanting toughness. What White did was a big mistake and he knows it.
    He will now sit for a few games and hopefully learn from a mistake he has made more than once. That’s why being a tough guy in the NHL is not easy. It’s not just about fighting whenever you feel like it. It’s about fighting at the right times.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  5. jedimyrmidon says:

    Who think Markov should be ‘rested’ soon by decreasing his minutes? PK can handle a larger workload, and keeping players fresh throughout the course of the season should be a priority. Of course, using PK more might cause his ego to inflate and destroy the team….

    • Big Buffy Boat Club says:

      I’m all for that, I even prefer when PK plays with a big ego.

      “Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.”

  6. VancouverHab says:

    And if Therrien is so all about accountability from last night, hows about accountabilitying Gionta for this?


    • K-hab25 says:

      I’m sorry, but the two plays aren’t even in the same universe on the dumb-a** penalty scale. Gionta got tangled up with a guy and decided, screw it I’m going to get an interference penalty anyway, I’ll just take this guy out of the play. What was White thinking, oh that’s right he wasn’t. He’s an undisciplined hot head and yesterday is just more proof of why I was for, him staying in the pressbox.

    • Timo says:

      Therrien is only tough when it comes to sitting young players. He is no better than Carbo or JM, which means Habs will muddle somewhere in the middle of the pack for the next 3-4 years until we hire another washed up recycled coach and the misery that this team will restart all over again.

    • habsnyc says:

      That was Gionta’s only penalty so far this season. White is second in the NHL in penalties. Gionta got tied up trying to stop a rush. It was an accident. White got suckered into taking a double minor by retaliating. Gionta’s penalty was the “worst penalty ever” because it was comical, not because it led to a loss. There is a difference between ha-ha funny and uh-oh stupid.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      OMG how do you even compare the 2 penalties?
      Wow…just wow.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  7. Hoegaarden says:

    White is now the refs favorite whipping boy. He sneezes and he gets two and two more for asking why.

    The likes of Ott now know that he is an easy target for a PP when needed.

    If he were to play against the Laffs on Sat, their goon squad would do the same until he takes the bite.

    Because of the short season, I am afraid management will be forced to keep him out of the lineup until he learns to control his quick reactions. Asking is not working.

  8. Mavid says:

    White should have not cut his hair..once it is long again he will be back to normal

  9. habs001 says:

    6-3-1 is a start most posters would take…and 6-3-1 in the next 10 games i would take…

  10. habs001 says:

    When it is an one goal lead in the final minuite you have to have PK out there.. Markov is too soft to be clearing forwards from the crease…

  11. Ian Cobb says:

    Link would not come up for you.

  12. Ian Cobb says:

    If we lose tomorrow on home ice again to the Leafs, our run to get into the playoffs this year will be all but over!

    Bundle the dead wood and move them out for draft picks.
    Just play the kids for experience and bring a few up from the farm.

  13. krob1000 says:

    The best thing about Galchenyuks goal….he completely beat Miller with his hands only…Miller came across with him and was positioned reasonably Galchenyuk was so quick he put the puck in the middle of the net behind him. His hands are incredible.


    No disrespect to Gionta but I think the habs should make Anrei Markov Captain.

    • habsnyc says:

      Markov did not want to be captain of the team, it requires too much interaction with the media.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.


        thats too bad. He realyl moving up on the habs all time records list. I’m pretty sure hes longest tenuring player with plek 2nd. I also feel he plays with the same passion for the habs that local players have, I really like to see his intensity, especially when the game is on the line.

  15. Hobie Hansen says:

    I wonder what John Tortorella would have said about Ryan White if he were the coach? He would never throw a player under the bus like Therrien apparently did last night?

    • Loonie says:

      Tortorella coaches the Rangers so we’ll never know.

      He also doesn’t make it a habit to throw his fourth liners under the bus, he saves that treatment for Gaborik.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        So is he as bad a coach as Therrien? Don’t let the fact that one has won the Stanley cup and the other took his team to the finals cloud your judgement.

        • Loonie says:

          I don’t think Therrien’s a bad coach. I think he would be among hockey’s elite coaches if he were to stop using the media to send messages.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Sorry Loonie, I’m a bit rilled up, kinda like Therrien gets.

            I don’t know if you can tell but I’m a Therrien fan 🙂

    • New says:

      I look at it as White throwing Therrien and his team under the bus. How to repay a coach’s faith and a second chance.

      Bad week for the Habs. 2 and 2 since Subban got back. Lets hope this Saturday starts a 4-0 run. Maybe they could stop taking so many penalties and see what happens.

      I think Budaj is a lot like Halak. He gets in front of shots. Budaj will get more shots than Price because the team is not so good at keeping people from the rebounds. Price gobbles those up.

  16. Timo says:

    So when does Cole sits? Or Max Pac?

  17. habs12 says:

    Ellerby to LA for a fifth could be a huge steal down the line IMO.

  18. BJ says:

    Slightly off subject. In dressing room interviews there is a journalist thats usually off to the back and on the side of the players, is he Charles Manson’s brother or clone? Anyone else notice?

  19. Prust for PM says:

    Ryan White has had his cup(s) of coffee. Pack the next one “to go.” He’s a 25 goal scorer and 200 PiM player in the AHL. No NHL GM would take him after his recent “decisions.” Michel Therrien has been more than patient with White. “Experiment” over.

    I feel bad for Budaj who recovered from Puck Hiccups to make tons of key saves before someone gave the League’s leading scorer a pool cue to tie the game. Yes, 1 guy CAN cost his TEAM a game.

    Having said that, Erik Cole please start using your speed & size; your CBA comments are noted. Maybe the “indestructable” MacPac came back too early this time; no interest in banging and he particularly mailed in the Bruins game; “Postage due.”

    Cannonading drive!!

  20. Loonie says:

    It’s Daigneault’s fault.

  21. Phillyhabsfan says:

    Don’t know why people are so upset with MT blaming White. Sure there were other reasons they ended up losing, but the game turned from a likely easy nice road win at 4-2 with 13 minutes to go, to a game where Buffalo suddenly had life, and they got lucky and they won the game. No doubt you can blame Budaj a little on the last goal, or who was on the ice at that point, but bottom line is if White is smarter about trying to send his “message” to Ott Habs win easily. Send it the next time they play, or now but at least make sure he is going to drop them before you just get suckered into a penalty.

    2nd major takeaway. Eller has earned his way out of the dog house. MT should give him a shot at centering Cole and MaxPac. Let the guy know that his hard work is noticed, and also see if you can get that line going. We all know the first line spot is Chucky’s in the future, but probably a little early to put him there now. Give Eller a shot with decent linemates and see what they can do.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I agree that White really has stood in a negative way with his 4min penalties by being overly aggressive while not taking another guy to the box with him. I also think that the last Sabres goal was a joke, and should have been waived off.

      And yes, I think Eller has earned his chance to center Pacs and Cole. With DD showing that he has extreme difficulty in tight checking games, Eller has played well enough to be tried at center with two good wingers.

  22. montrealtilldeath says:

    A coach pattern of publicly throwing a player under the bus when we lose. Fans can do this but coaches that are supposedly involved in team building should not do this no matter how tempting. What is the message to the rest of the team when you do this? I am very concerned if we lose a few more games if MT can hold himself together emotionally given his history. We all know the proper measure of any one is how they handle adversity as opposed to success. Things could become very interesting for the Habs if there are a few more bumps in the road. This bears watching. Proper response in my opinion when asked about white “We win as a team, we lose as a team. We will examine the game footage looking at everyone’s performance including my own, Next question”. And behind closed doors tear White a new a-hole and have him apologize to the tea,

  23. jedimyrmidon says:

    Don’t see how a meritocracy within a team means that the lineup should shift game-by-game, depending on who did well in the last couple of games. And I don’t see how Therrien would be blamed for trying to establish accountability. I don’t see any gross mismanagement. Out of all players, I’d say White has really dug himself into a hole.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Wait a minute, this site is to insult the Canadiens and their coach! You make way too much sense. You’re supposed to act like a baby because the guy who’s been to the Stanley Cup finals isn’t giving your favourite player enough ice time!

    • Loonie says:

      There’s a difference between holding players accountable among the men in the room and doing it in the media.

      As for lineup changes. It isn’t a knee jerk reaction to make a significant adjustment after ten games.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Yeah, I don’t like him using the media.

        If he insists on using it, he better be absolutely right every time he does it so that there’s no debate. In White’s case, it’s a blatant repetition of what he was benched for the first time.

        As for Pacs-DD-Cole, I know Pacs was missing for a while, but I think they somehow need to be put with people who can generate chances and points to get them going. At this point, none of them are really able to get each other out of their respective funks [in tighter games]. Cole, despite being a slow starter, really hasn’t looked good at all. He’s also doing the Gomez move far too often.

    • VancouverHab says:

      “Establish accountability” by blaming the 4th line guy for doing EXACTLY what you’ve been screaming to have done over the past years from the media perch?

      Establish accountability by blaming your own bad decisions game-long: THAT’S the kind of accountability that earns respect. Not picking on the helpless.

  24. The Dude says:

    Buffalo had a lot of their top player out of last nights game…just saying.

  25. krob1000 says:

    3 gomez references in a row..4 with me….

  26. VancouverHab says:

    Blaming White & Budaj? What are you? Michel Therrien?

    This is why I (and not alone) hated this coaching (re-)hire. Post-game blaming a fourth liner for adding the toughness and fight that he, Therrien, himself demanded: stupidity and emotionality. White’s a fourth line tough guy standing up to their agitator (who had taken liberties with our tiny captain.) We had a two-goal lead–perfect time to do that.

    How about the manpower decisions in the last minute, eh coach?

    And commenters blaming Budaj? Right. Hardly plays so fights the puck a tad when he does get a rare start. Faces shots in the high 30s. Last two goals no one is stopping: in fact he did great to make the original stops.

    A team loss: blame Patches, Cole, DD, Bourque, the third line, and some weird defense decisions, dumb coaching if you want to single someone(s) out–but why? What is true is that Budaj & White are almost the last I’d blame.

    Me? I blame Gomez….

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      So dropping your gloves and taking a stupid penalty with a two goal lead in the third period is what White is supposed to do, are you nuts? You better be damn sure you don’t get an extra two, let alone an extra four!

      • VancouverHab says:

        In the situation, and under Therrien’s public advocacy of “team toughness”, why not? What–do you want a four goal lead before sending the ‘Therrien as AC panelist’ message? Then you’re never going to send that toughness message.

        We had years of Therrien ranting as media analyst about how the Habs were playing it safe and smart and not being tough and aggressive.

        Well now he’s in charge and he throws White under the bus for not playing for the Lady Byng. There’s a reason JM was cautious with gooniness–its the reason that Therrien-now-coach is realising: tough aggressive send-a-message play comes with a cost: that cost is PENALTIES.

        Hypocritical incompetent idiot–Therrien I mean, not you ;–)

    • Phil C says:

      “What is true is that Budaj & White are almost the last I’d blame.” That BC bud must be good.

      • VancouverHab says:

        My lifetime drug-free is what gives me the clear head to see that blaming a loss the the Sabres and a blown two goal lead primarily on the backup goalie and the fourth line tough guy is the kind of thing that stoners and Michel Therriens do.

        • Phil C says:

          Fair enough. You could convince me that Budaj may be rusty, and that he made enough saves for them to win, but to say White would be the last you would blame is either irrational, or just pure hyperbole.

          There is a big difference between being tough and going around gooning everybody. A part of toughness is to take a shot and not retaliate. That’s mental toughness, which may be more important than physical toughness. When Therrien wants to be a tougher team to play against, he does not mean just goonery.

          • VancouverHab says:

            Okay–but then tell me what he does mean? White played it by the team-toughness book–like thousands have before him. Ott turtles and so White goes for four.

            Look, I’m not saying that White was perfect in an ideal sense: I am am saying that he was doing the very thing Therrien has been demanding.

            I even agree that White should have been more restrained–BUT THAT IS WHAT THE HABS DID UNDER JM, AND THERRIEN MOANED AND BITCHED ABOUT IT.

            But I still say that a two-goal lead in the third period is not White’s sole fault when it’s blown.

          • Phil C says:

            Therrien and Bergevin want the Habs to be a tough team to play against. A big part of this is the more aggressive forecheck, having systems that require players to communicate and play as a team. It means playing for 60 minutes a game and not letting up. Its means being defensively sound and make the other team work hard for their goals. It means having a trap that does not just yield the red line and forces the other team to either ice it or make a risky pass. It means finishing your checks. And it means responding as required if the other team tries physical intimidation tactics, especially against your better players. This may mean fighting if required.

            Toughness does not mean taking stupid, undisciplined, amateurish, selfish penalties at the worst possible time. This is a lack of mental toughness, and that’s why Therrien’s head nearly exploded in the post game press conference.

  27. krob1000 says:

    Molson and MB must be ticked with the buyout situation…..first the NHL sells them up the river with Gomez…and now the ISles end up giving up a second pick for THomas…Gomez woul dhave saved actual cash and could have been used for 2 yars…he may have netted 2 2nd picks if Thomas was one!! And we all know how much everyone loves those 2nd round picks!

  28. SmartDog says:

    Armstrong = Gomez lite

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  29. HardHabits says:

    This comment is for MattyLeg.

    Bring up Bournival and sit Desharnais.

  30. SmartDog says:

    I just thought of something. It’s too bad we didn’t have Desharnais and the Kostitsyns playing at the same time. We could’ve had the Double-D Tits line. Yuck.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  31. La Duke 16 says:

    Play the kids with Max Pac and see what happens.

    The kids had some special plays last night that just missed – once they get their timing down they will be tough to stop.

  32. Habsssssssswin says:

    Still early, but these late game losses .. Ottawa too, if not for a questionable call … will interest me in wandering/seeing how Bergevin responds !!??!?

  33. habsfan0 says:

    Brian Burke STILL believes he’s the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs and will take questions from Ron Maclean in Montreal:


  34. Timo says:

    It is easy to see White as a scape goat and sure… he did cost us ONE goal. The thing is – Buffulo didn’t really gain all that much momentum. Habs were very good at keeping the puck in Sabres’ zone for the last 3 or so minutes of the game.

    There were 3 other goals scored by Sabres, last one White had nothing to do with. A little smurf like Ott is jamming the net and there is no one there to clear him out of the crease.

    What was Armstrong doing on the ice on the last shift?

    Therrien is an idiot for publically pinning this game on White. What about Cole line? These 3 have coasted for the last 3 games or so and maybe had one decent game all season so far? When is Therrien going to rip them in public? He is same as Carbo – taking on a little guy that can’t fight back. He is an idiot and will always be. I hate that guy with passion.

  35. Dr.Rex says:

    White seems to enjoy it while it is happening then shows complete heartbreak just seconds after his acts. It’s possible he could have a split personality and have no control over his adrenaline.

    • Ali says:

      It’s simple. He’s charged up trying to do whatever it takes to earn a regular spot in the lineup, he saw a chance and took it. Ott, a veteran, did the “smart” thing and turtled, knowing it would draw a powerplay.

      White definitely should have been more careful, but when you’re fighting for a spot in the lineup and you have his skill set, there’s not much else you can do other than hit, fight and stick up for your teammates. He just needs to settle down, and not get too deep in the doghouse here. As you said, he knew immediately what he’d done and you could see the regret on his face.

    • ont fan says:

      He needs to be the goater not the goatee. I have a son just like him. Believe me, he had total remorse immediately after. It’s that split second that doesn’t compute.

  36. Loonie says:

    From the previous thread.

    Many seem to be of the opinion that Desharnais shouldn’t be demoted or benched because of his success last season.

    Interesting idea.

    Tomas Kaberle had 22 points in 43 games with the Habs last season yet is on the bench. It isn’t because he can’t produce offense, it’s because there are better current options in the lineup and there are holes in his game.

    Funny enough. Desharnais is mediocre at best defensively, can’t win a faceoff to save his life and hasn’t adjusted his game to make plays against tight checking.

    Desharnais has YEARS to go before he becomes a more accomplished player than Kaberle.

    Michel Therrien is doing a lot of good things. But the inconsistency in meritocracy and throwing players under the bus after losses are the reasons he needed the Habs to find work in the NHL again. If this kind of personnel handling continues, he’ll be looking for work again soon.

    The “meritocracy” can’t be an applicable philosophy to 16 of 23 players, it has to be whole scale. If it isn’t, he’ll lose the room like he did in Pittsburgh.

    • HardHabits says:

      As I stated. The meritocracy is being trumped by an ethnocracy.

      • Loonie says:

        I hope it isn’t because of his last name but rather patience afforded to a player who established himself well last season.

        The Kaberle comparison doesn’t exactly help validate that thought though.

        • bwoar says:

          EDIT – I misread you, sorry.


          • Loonie says:

            None. My point is only that if you’re going to sit Kaberle due to there being better options to play in his role, you need to entertain the thought of doing the same with Desharnais at this point.

            Edit: No worries. I’ve been using the edit link quite a bit this morning.

    • bwoar says:

      Calling out non-performers isn’t throwing them under a bus. It’s making them publicly accountable. MT is to blame for his player selection in the final moments, but, I don’t mind at all if he calls players out. When they win, he hands out the credit.

      I really, really think we need to soften up on the idea of ‘meritocracy’. NO team in any sport works on an absolutely strict meritocracy. It’s 2 words up in the room, not an entire system for determining exact ice time.

      Where we agree 100% is the case of Lars Eller. Kid looked good last night. Outplaying DD and whistling a merry tune doing it. Kinda wishing they’d shift Bourque to the right side and give Eller a shot on that line. The amount that Plekanec gets tossed out, he’d still get plenty of practice taking draws.


      • Loonie says:

        So we’re on the same page. I think the idea of a meritocracy is stupid from the get go because it’s a philosophy that can’t reasonably be applied on a consistent basis.

        Hard work shouldn’t result in better opportunity, execution and overall play should.

        You couldn’t sell the team on playing Colby Armstrong on the second or first line because he’s working hard. You can sell playing Eller, Gallagher or Galchenyuk on one of those lines because they have the skill set for it and if they execute, they deserve it.

        The problem I see with it is that the philosophy Therrien’s applying is on hard work only. Not much has changed in Eller’s game recently save for the “intensity” factor that Therrien was looking for.

        Edit: On the accountability point. Call them out in the room, not in front of microphones and video recorders.

        • FlyAngler says:

          Good point…. it’s just like good parenting, discipline is important but it needs to be utilized in the right way in order to effect positive change and not humiliation and even more importantly, theparents need to be disciplined themselves something that MT has failed at in the past as in his meltdown in the playoffs against the Canes during his previous stint that turned the game and the series around resulting in elimination for the Habs.

      • VancouverHab says:

        Yeah but why ‘hold accountable’ only the powerless? Lets have some DD or Cole or Emelin accountability if we’re going to be all “accountable”.

        Or better yet, how about some dumb coaching choices accountability. How about your shootout choices, eh Michel?

        • FlyAngler says:

          I had the same reaction to the shootout choices as you did, but if you check last year’s stats, Bourque and Gionta were our top 2 shootout performers and Gionta was actually 100% on the road…..

          • VancouverHab says:

            Good points, and thanks for bringing them up. My point was that Therrien is blaming White based on outcome, not rationale (White’s idea was good–what no-one is talking about is that White didn’t calculate that Ott would turtle: that was the real problem).

            By Therrien’s own logic, his shootout choices executed to a failed result, so the decision gets blamed. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander…

    • 44har48 says:

      I agree with DD Loonie, and after a little more time, I think we will finally see Eller with Cole and Pax. MT had to put them together this year to start but he is seeing what I think you and I knew was going to happen – DD’s luck and unfamiliarity in the league has run out.

      I am not sure I agree with you on the public calling out of players. This is a debate that has lasted and will last for a long time among coaches. Some call it simple accountablity, and others say it is unprofessional to call them out in the press and blame one guy.

      I think if it is subtly done and not done every press conference, it is warranted at the pro level.

  37. wd40 says:

    Hi all — blame on White aside, can someone tell me if an opposing player is allowed in the blue paint? (let alone jostling the goaltender)

  38. Dr.Rex says:

    Many make a strong point that yes we have to make ourselves look tougher then the bean bags we have been for the last couple seasons. BUt it is a game within the game and these tough guys have to know when to pick their spots. UP 4-2 with a Sabres team losing steam it is clear that Ott would be trying to instigate something. Just like Neil would for the Sens or Marchand for Boston. Wait for the last minute or after a 5th goal to teach Ott a lesson or even wait for him to take a stroll down Emelin Cove.

    IT is clear to be one of these enforcers you must also have some smarts and be able to understand instructions. Prust has shown he is this type of player. White not so much.

  39. HardHabits says:

    DD sucks.

  40. habs-fan-84 says:

    If anything White reminds me of Lyle Odelein.

    A loose cannon if there ever was one. I think White can learn to play smarter than Odelein ever did though.

  41. montrealtilldeath says:

    Was thinking about MT’s approach to PK. If will look at MT’s history it is evident he had some emotional contorl; issues for example the blowup that cost montreal the playoff last time he was here and the bad scene when he lost his job with the Pens. Watching him closely behind the bench one can observe the self control efforts he makes to keep himself in check. This approach is good for him and it works for him. Rigid control does not work for all people as you can break their spirit and destroy their natural creativity. I remember Lafleur. For 3 years they kept him in a box and finally in the 4th year they let the Flower “fly”. The rest is history. This is the reason I hoped we would get Larry Robinson as D coach. He would channel a player like PK’s energy not rigidly control him allowing him to develop his natural creativity slowly and carefully moulding him into a great defenceman. As Michealangelo said David was in the stone I only released him. Bobby Holik had a great article on Robinson and what he did for him in this vein.

  42. SmartDog says:

    Can I ask an obvious question: why not just hire a really good face-off specialist and spend more time training your centers to be better in the circle?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • bwoar says:

      When they brought in Carbo to coach, I thought, “FINALLY!”

      How utterly disappointed I was. The embarrassment on draws continues.


    • krob1000 says:

      The faceoff stat is one of the many misleading stats out there…..I would love to know what percentage of draws are “scrambles” that aren’t won byt he centers but by the wingers, what percentage of draws are pushed ahead intentionally,etc. For a statistic where the leaders in the league are usually about 7-10 percent above a 50/50 split ..this becomes pretty important.
      The only stat yhey should keep re faceoffs IMO..is clean wins….or maybe they do…but I don’t know how they keep that stat…anyone know??

      • Loonie says:

        I’ve been keeping track.

        I’ll post the results after 15 games. Suffice to say Plekanec is better than his, Galchenyuk’s better than his, Eller is better than his and Desharnais is far worse than his.

        • krob1000 says:

          The faceoffs are really only crucial inside the bluelines as well….sometimes a coach asks for a quick change in a neutal zone draw for line matching,etc….
          All I know is that whenever there is a crucial draw the coach has Pleks take it…also any centerman will tell you he has a strong side…some gusy can’t win on their backhand, most can;t win ont heir forehand,etc…
          Also there is a mess of feet there and 1 would estimatee that as may as 5 percent fo draws involve the linesman’s feet at some point.

    • BJ says:

      I’ve wondered that too. The obvious guy would be Yannick Perreault.

  43. HardHabits says:

    White is at fault. This is two games he is responsible for a double minor which contributed to the game being lost. He needs to control his aggression. His actions hurt the team. Plain and simple. However that tying goal should have never gone in. That was a team loss.

  44. bwoar says:

    It’s natural and probably fitting to make White wear the goat horns today. It’s unavoidable, almost, and the kid has got to be taught not to do that. But I think Therrien can handle that job. For now, Travis Moen will get to coast on his contract for a couple more games.

    The truth is, right now we absolutely need White to be a #4 centre, since he’s the only player who wins his faceoffs, and convincingly so. Unless and until Nokelainen can be inserted, that’s a quality we need in the lineup every night.

    I think White will be deservingly benched; there has to be a reckoning for his foolishness. But I don’t doubt MT is aware of the Habs’ paltry record in the dot as well.

    No, the real problem remains the so-called top line. Only Pacioretty looked mildly sucessful last night, coming close a few times. Desharnais is way out of his league, unable to complete physically with the stronger opposition this year, and good old boy Cole is clearly still too infatuated with Gary Bettman and his retirement plans to care much what happens on the ice. His penalty was stupid too, and luckily he wasn’t penalized every time he pulled on someone’s stick, because he could’ve earned multiple trips to the box last night.

    Now that Cole’s main weapoon, the bullrush to the net, isn’t funtional, he’s a liability on the ice on a ‘top’ line. I don’t think anyone expected RW to be an issue this year. But it is. The older vets are expected to set an example, but seeing Cole coast around, and Gionta basically a passenger on the Tomas Plekanec express, displays the stark truth that these guys are done and that the rebuild needs to continue.

    I am discarding NO EXCUSES as a garbage sideshow until the top line is addressed.


  45. Hobie Hansen says:

    There is a poster on here who’s handle is a quote from Sam Pollock stating that the quickest way to lose is by listening to the fans. That is clearly the case on here today with all the nonsense being blurted out.

  46. SmartDog says:

    Boone, you have never been more accurate. Semi-retirement agrees with you!

    Take away Ryan White’s idiotic penalties and this team has an 8-2 record. And I love Emelin but he keeps letting guys get by him against the wall at the blue line. This is very fixable but I hope they fix it soon.

    Since Cole’s comments about retiring you have to wonder if there’s still heart left in his game. But remember it was 10 games before he scored last year and once he caught fire he was awesome. Let’s just hope he gets his mojo back soon. We only have one more buyout left.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  47. AnimalMother says:

    DD to the press box.

  48. mrhabby says:

    the habs have been soft for quite a few years and have been ridiculed by media and fans alike for not being tough enough or sticking up for each other. even though it was dumb for white to do what he did..i love the fact that he drooped his gloves on OTT….the team finally has some balls.. i support white.

  49. Propwash says:

    White got suckered into taking that penalty, Ott isn’t very well known as being a upstanding citizen.


  50. The Dude says:

    So Therriens ego’s a suffering today,eh….this is basically the same Habs team as last year but with a couple of rookies ,Prust ,Cube and Armstrong. And that’s the problem with Cole,he’s not motivated cause he don’t see a winning season and as any seasoned veteran he need to think he’s gonna have a good chance for the cup this year. We need “BIG” player changes for OUR DIVISIONAL PLAY !

    • Big Buffy Boat Club says:

      We could really be 8-2-0, I’m not jumping on the “suckin’ the bone for Jones” band wagon anytime soon.

      “Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hold on, you say it’s the same team, but with 5 new players.
      That’s 1/4 of a 20-man roster. That’s not the same team.
      Plus, we have Markov, who didn’t really play for us last year.

      We don’t have the same coaching staff either, nor the same management.

      This ain’t the same team, Dude.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • FlyAngler says:

      This team is greatly improved over last year’s because in addition to the new bodies Markov and Bourque are both healthy which is huge.
      They showed on Wednesday night that they can compete with the Bruins and with a couple of breaks, the result is different…..

    • shiram says:

      Cole still has his retirement on the mind, and he’s playing as if he is already gone on temp work.

    • Phil C says:

      Your premise is completely wrong because you underestimate the effect of small changes. With so much parity in the league and the salary cap preventing teams from carrying extra depth, a team’s fortunes can change very quickly. Every team in the NE (except the Canadiens) went on big losing streaks and big winning streaks last year. That’s how easily things can tip.

      The Kings went from last place in the West at one point to winning the Stanley Cup by only changing 3 players, Nolan, King, and Carter.

  51. John Q Public says:

    Steady as she goes! I ay Captain!!!

  52. Marvin says:

    Blame White for the 3rd goal if you wish, but not for the 4th. That puck should never have been in our end for that length of time, and if nothing else, goalie interference should have been called.

    • Mattyleg says:

      White can be blamed for the entire momentum shift that took place as soon as he got the penalties.

      And for the fact that his actions left the team a player short for 10 minutes in the 3rd.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. FlyAngler says:

    For White to do what he did on the heels of his last performance in Ottawa clearly indicates that there are some serious synapse firing malfunctions taking place in his brain. And yes, he does have to sit tomorrow night as much to send the right message to the team as to teach him a lesson (if that’s possible). Whether we find him likable or not is immaterial….. it’s about accountability!

    DD was -2 last night (along with his linemates) and got beat badly on one of the Buffalo goals. It’s clearly time to “shake it up”…What is supposed to be our #1 line is not even our #2 line right now. DD is hurting us all over the ice!

  54. AnimalMother says:

    Agreed. Get DD off the team (too small/too slow) and give someone a chance to wake up pacs n cole !

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I would hate to bust up the Gally’s, but maybe move Galchenyuk up and see what he can do for a period. He has the playmaking skills

      Failing that, move Eller up. He was really good on the wing when Pacioretty was out. He would probably be better at his natural position.

  55. Dudley the Dog says:

    No clause for gloom and doom. Simple blow call by the refs on tying goal and running out of gas on two games back to back.
    I ask everyone if they would have been disappointed after 10 games if we are 6-3-1 ( Personally I will take that every 10 game stretch LOL).
    There are some issues to address however:
    Here they are: 1) White goes down, Blunden 6-4,and can skate and check without taking fouls comes up.
    2) Budjai goes down to Hamilton and gets some regular work ( He
    Is merely rusty — Desjardens comes up and possibly stays as he looks sharp lately
    3) Dumont ( one of the best players in the AHL comes up)
    4)Lines are:
    Patches-DD(for the next 10 games) -Cole
    Bourque-Plexs-Gionta ( our best line this year)
    Gally – Eller -Chucky ( should be dynamite together)
    Prust-Moen- Blunden
    Armstrong sits, Dumount plays some
    There, that does it nicely

    Dudley the Dog knows his poop even better than Smart Dog

  56. Hobie Hansen says:

    Let’s fire Therrien everybody! He is keeping the best line we’ve had in a decade together too long and he used the word “unacceptable” to categorize a player’s actions that has cost us a couple games.

    • habstrinifan says:

      You are using hyperbole and extremism to ignore the fundamental objection. I, and I think others, are saying that Therrien is using public condemnation too much.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Too much?
        Who else has he publicly condemned?
        (just askin’)

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Loonie says:

        If White’s at fault, Budaj’s at fault, Desharnais’ at fault, Emelin, and so on.

        Team accountability, no excuses. So why use the excuse that White is the reason for the loss?

        Exactly your point, and it’s a good one.

        And just so we’re all clear. Therrien’s allowed to make excuses but no one else is.

        • Mattyleg says:

          That’s not true, Loon.

          He is saying that selfish play goes agianst the team-first mentality that Therrien and Bergevin have been teaching. The team was winning the game until White decided that he didn’t like a hit put on him by Ott. Rather than challenge him to a fight or go after him later, he let his PERSONAL feelings put his TEAM in a bad position.

          Therrien isn’t making excuses, he’s indicating the cause of the loss, which is what every leader should be able to do. Had White not done that, we would have won the game. It’s pretty simple.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Loonie says:

            I don’t disagree that everyone needs to be accountable and that White’s play caused a dramatic shift in the game.

            But if White’s to bear responsibility for the loss in Therrien’s eyes, that’s an excuse.

            Why no mention of allowing Ott to gain inside position on 4 players in the crease? Why no mention of bad pinching that lead to odd man rushes for the Sabres?

            Blaming White is an excuse…….NO EXCUSES.

          • Mattyleg says:

            We were winning.
            White did something stupid and selfish.
            We lost because of it.

            I’m sure this doesn’t fit your Anti-Therrien agenda, but it doesn’t get more straightforward than that.

            Blaming White is an illustration of what not to do. It’s not an excuse.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        @Trini Oh no! No other coach in the history of the NHL has ever done that before. I see your point. My mistake. How dare he!

      • habsfan0 says:

        Surely, you jest. And don’t call ME surely.


    • HardHabits says:

      The best line in a decade? You’re joking right!

      In the past decade not one #1 line has had success two years running. The Cole-DD-Pacioretty line should have been broken up a few games ago. In fact, if Cole and Pacioretty are to be on the same line it should be with Eller at centre.

      I see little or no future for Desharnais on the team moving forward as the Habs are getting deeper at centre.

      The only reason he is given such a long leash is because of his ethnicity. He should have been demoted or sat already.

      • Loonie says:

        If meritocracy is the team philosophy it sure doesn’t make much sense for Desharnais to skate along unscathed.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        OK what other line in recent memory has produced two 30 to 35-goal scorers on each wing? Maybe they could have done it with Eller at center or maybe not.

        Personally I thought we might see Eller between them last night but I can hardly blame Therrien for taking one last kick at the can in an attempt to get them going.

        If Cole-Desharnais-Pacioretty got going to add to the great start by Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta we’d be laughing.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Remember the good old days (like last year, and the year before and the year before that) when the coach didn’t say a word to anyone but kept meticulous notes in a tiny pad? (or was it Sudoku?)
      It seems like just yesterday people were complaining about that.

  57. nek25plus says:

    Ok, White made a stupid move last night. That being said, this is a team game. Desharnais, Cole and Pacioretty weren’t sparkling to say the least. Gionta and Bourke played well, Plekanecs benefitted from that. Defense was decent. Budai hasn’t played enough to be able to get his game going. The rookies were great….again. The refs…meh. Eller a bright spot.

    The hard part for me Plekanecs can be a good, skilled 2nd or third line centre on his best days. He thinks he’s a first line centre and he is only as good as the players on his line. He had two goals that reflected greatly on his linemates. Would like to see him elevate his line mates rather than them having to elevate him. Missed chances to pass to Gionta last night for a sure goal. Instead he shoots himself. I don’t view him as a great team player. Last year he sulked when DD was out playing him. That shows he is all for himself. Would love to see him mature to that great team player. But…I say give Lars Eller the chance to move out of the checking line role and see what he can do.

    Galchenyuk will be good one day, hopefully very good. First line centre good. But too much pressure too early can damage him.

    So, White made a stupid move last night, but so did Therrien. He came out after the game a placed the blame squarely on White’s shoulders. Took everyone else who played average off the hook and blamed one guy. Not the team as a whole holding themselves responsible.

    In the end Plekanecs probably feels good about himself today…scored two goals. That’s the problem.

    • Mattyleg says:


      This has to be the post of the season so far.

      You ever see the video of the football player who recovers a fumble and then runs it 90 yards into his own end zone?

      That’s what this post is.

      From the stellar insight into Plekanec to the critique of Therrien calling out White…


      Thank you nek25plus (if that IS your real name…), you have brightened up my day.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • nek25plus says:

        Face it, its hard I know. Plekanecs is not a first line centre. Compare him against the good first line centres across the league and not with the ones on the team. Plekanecs is good, just not a first line centre in my opinion. But thinks he is.

        Never see Bylsma over react in the press…unless your view is that Tortorella’s a better coach in the press? If you do, then everything is fine in your world Mattyleg! If that’s your real name!?

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        Hey Matty,

        You forgot to point out the incorrect spelling of “Bourke”

        Who needs q’s when you can use k’s? Who needs logic and observational skills when you can just spew nonsense?

        @ Nek25plus:

        Pleks is a great team player. He doesn’t complain when he is given defensive assignments. I guess you forgot his role in shutting down Crosbey and Ovechkin in the playoffs a few years ago. Or his seemingly infinite time on the PK. He puts up decent points every year, despite his defensive duties and sometimes despite his linemates.

        Is he a great 1st line center… maybe not, but he is good 1st line center or easily the best 2nd line center in the game. I said that last year, I said that the year before, I will say it again next week.

        • nek25plus says:

          That’s fine, but he thinks a first line centre. So do many on this post. He is not comparable to any first line centre. He does make players better around him. He’s a nice 2nd or third line player. I’m not saying trade the bum or shoot the bastard, just that he is not the 1st line centre and has flaws in his game as they all do. Team play is the only way we win.

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Would Toronto take White off our hands? They love truculence – can’t get enough of it in fact. Even though they lead the league in fights they went out and got another goon.

    Or maybe the Oilers need a gritty 4th line centre?

    How about White for a #2 pick?

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  59. AnimalMother says:

    Get rid of DD.

  60. The Cat says:

    The anglo media drinking the Price Kool aid again. the last 3 years. Its nowhere near .970, more like .935 even strength pct.

    Rinne: .937

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Loonie says:

      What do you mean by “more like”? Do you have a link or anything? As painful as it is I’m inclined to take TSN’s word for it before yours.

      And it was specific to even strength save percentage, not overall.

      Edit: Correction. You’re both wrong 🙂

      Price’s even strength save percentage over the last three years is .924

      Just did the manual totals.

      Good call on the TSN error. Who woulda thunk it?


      • Chris says:

        Here are the numbers per season, as can be found at the NHL’s official stats page:

        2012-13: 0.956 SV% ES, 0.875 SV% PP
        2011-12: 0.918 SV% ES, 0.907 SV% PP
        2010-11: 0.931 SV% ES, 0.886 SV% PP

        So The Cat is right. Those numbers are way, way off.

        Price is probably closer to a save percentage of something like 0.925 to 0.930 at even strength.

    • Strummer says:

      I looked on NHL.com for supporting data and I came up with roughly the same as the Cat. Thomas was up there too.

      Still Pricer is in good company!

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I saw that and I figured they screwed up and meant to say “this years 5-5 S%”, not his career S%. That would make more sense, as he had given up very few 5-5 goals at that point.

  61. wickedwelder says:

    you have to rebember White is on the Fourth line give the Kid time i think he is a keeper he is a good 4 liner we need he fights GRIT just has to be smarter he can do it …

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Agreed. After sitting the last 3 games I think everyone thought he’d learned his lesson…I guess not. I sure hope that he’s now learned his lesson.

      He will learn from Prust and in time will be a very effective player. Prust and Moen can’t do all the heavy lifting. Over the next few years they’ll need White.

      Growing pains…all this is.

    • ont fan says:

      White is that guy you all work with. You like him but if there is a screw up you just know he is going to be involved. It comes down to whether your company is in a position to ride it out and see if he can mature. Momentum killer at this point.

  62. montrealtilldeath says:

    Was musing about J Martin the other day. He was always writing in his silly little notebook. It came to me that in the positions I held work/notes I took on the job were considered company property and had to be handed over when I left. I wonder if his little book could be claimed as company property and as an historical Canadien archivable item be made available for public viewing. He was probably writing “I know i am right” I know I am right”………………………….right”. Silly comment on my part but these unecessary losses bring out the worst in me.

  63. habstrinifan says:

    Stop calling Budaj Buddy!

  64. Mattyleg says:

    What a killer last night.
    Baa, baa, Black Sheep, are you Ryan White?
    Yes sir, yes sir.

    You know what my high point of the game was?
    Eller showing up.

    That was very nice to see. Good hits, forcing turnovers, using his quick hands to hang onto the puck in tight checking along the boards, mixing up passes with drives to the net.

    Now, can he do it again? Therrien gave him a vote of confidence by playing him with the Gals, but will he be able to bring that level of competitiveness (not ‘compete’) to the next game? And the next? That’s been his biggest problem, and I’d like to see him get that consistency going so he’s more Pleky than Ko(a)sty.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      He was pretty bad on the dot though, I’m on the Eller bandwagon, but gotta be honest about his faults too.
      But yeah apart from last night he’s been strong on the dot, and has been playing very well in the role given to him in the last few games.
      Somethings gotta to give though, with Plekys line being the only top line the team can play right now, DD’s line was playing just about 16 minutes total, does not show great confidence from the coach and they did not impress in that short time either.
      I think a shake-up could be made from DD and the kids line.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      He’s strung a few good performances together now. Let’s hope he can keep it going for the benefit of the team.

  65. sulham44 says:

    Help – For someone in U.S. who doesn’t get TSN is there any way to get the Habs documentary?

  66. shiram says:

    Subban’s been toeing the line with the team mentality stuff, even though he got a break away last night and tried to score all on his own, he managed to enter the zone and make a decent shot.
    White’s been playing a very individualistic game, not caring for the consequences of his action.

    Now tell me who’s the Habs problem??

  67. PrimeTime says:

    The majority of current generation diehard Hab fans are more alike the diehard Leaf fans than different. This wasn’t always the case!! GHG

  68. THE CODE!!!! Where did we hear that before?

    White is going to have to be taught a lesson for sure!!! Habs cannot afford to have White sit out against the Lauffs. Leafs will have enough enforcers in lineup on Saturday. If White sits our Habs are down one when it comes to toughness. Lauffs will have a 4th line of Brown/Mclaren – Komarov – Orr. Who will our Habs have on 4th line for tomorrow night to match?

    What was the Habs 4th line last night?

    My prediction is Lauffs will WIN!!! If our Habs win, I’ll be eating crow.

  69. Mavid says:

    If Zombies take over the world I am hiding in a Costco..they have everything there..

  70. habs-fan-84 says:

    I keep reading send White to Hamilton…?
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s on a one way contract and can’t simply be “sent down”.

    Maybe I just completely misunderstand the rules..?

  71. rhino514 says:

    It´s been ten games, which is enough time to start to see some of the real changes which have taken place on the team. These changes, to me, are what makes the game interesting. So here goes; I welcome your remarks:

    1) Plekanec is a hell of a player. He is an incredibly determined indiviual and those kinds of guys always keep improving something about their game.
    Some people were saying throughout last year and in the off season that he should be traded. Incredible.
    I think he is the most valuable player on the team. You can of course mention Price in this context, but that´s because the drop-off between a good goalie and his backup is huge to any team.
    So for me it´s Plekanec. He´s not a natural deker as we saw on a recent breakaway, but he does everything else you could want a top centre to do.
    2) Markov is the key to the PP. Subban can play nose to nose against the other team´s best forwards and neutralise them as well as move the puck really well, and Price is a good goalie. So for me, these other three guys are the other guys which the team cannot affford to lose for extended periods of time.
    3) A contender needs timing on its side. One season where the youth and veterans all click. With this in mind, I have a sneaking suspicion that Cole, as far as being a big factor on the team, may be done. Hence, I think the team is decent to good, but will not be great.
    4) The team is a playoff team. They may have to fight for it at the end, but i will bet on them being there.
    5) There are no sharp shooters and no dekers on the team. They will always have a dreadful shoot out percentage.
    6) Because of the absence of natural shooters, the team will sometimes not put away other teams. This will cost them against the top teams.
    7) The team has a lot of heart.
    8) Eller has NOT been misused. He has been nurtured. He isn´t a guy who was ready to take huge steps forward, like Galchenyuk for example. Nobody in the hockey world can predict wether or when he is going to be a good top six, because he has a weird combination of skills and weaknesses But he´s looked alive for a few games in a row now, for the first time. I think they should keep him.
    9) The future looks pretty bright.

    • Phil C says:

      I agree with most of your points. I would add:

      3) Too early to say about Cole. He has been a slow starter throughout his career. Last year was no different. If he still sucks by the end of March, then you may be right.

    • Loonie says:

      5) Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Pacioretty all have rockets for a shot and Galchenyuk can deke with any of the best in the World.

      6) Agree with one caveat. If the above mentioned players were used, maybe even together as a line, it could be one that puts teams away with flurries of offense.

      8) Eller hasn’t necessarily been misused yet. But if Desharnais continues to struggle and Eller continues to play the way he has for the last five games Therrien’s going to have a hard time looking at his players in the eye if he isn’t willing to swap their roles in the lineup.

    • rhino514 says:

      Chucky is a deker i forgot about him, but he´s the only one. An yes Gallagher, Chucky, and Max Pak all have good shots. I guess what was hitting me is that the whole top line of Pleks, Bourque, and Gionta, don´t have very precise shooting (especially Bourque),
      All the more amazing that Pekanec is able to carry that line and produce as he´s been doing. His wingers are better than last year, but they are probably still not bona fide top three wingers. Heck, they aren´t even the best wingers on the team (!) (unless Cole´s decline is for real, but Max Pac definitely more talented than Bourque)
      So possibly juggling the lines a bit as posted is a good idea.

  72. Phil C says:

    Trade White for a backup goalie. Done and done.

    Okay, I may be exaggerating for effect. Maybe not trade him. Yet. But…

    The only thing that exceeded the selfishness of White’s penalty was the sheer stupidity of it. He didn’t just take a number, he didn’t try to sucker Ott into a penalty, he didn’t even ask Ott to go or just wait to make sure he dropped his gloves. Heaven forbid he just take a shot for the team and just suck it up even though that’s what a pro would do. No, he goes off like a child who just dropped his ice cream. Yes, it was selfish, but the stupidity and immaturity of the penalty given the game situation was so disappointing.

    It’s disappointing because I thought White was shaping into a good 4th line centre. His skating looks ten-times better than last year, he is actually winning face-offs, killing penalties, dropping the gloves to defend teammates, and even chipping in occasionally on offense. Yet despite all these highly desirable qualities that the Habs desperately need, White has put himself into a situation where Therrien *can’t* play him anymore because he can no longer trust him. It’s not even about discipline to bench him, Therrien just can’t risk playing him anymore until he has to.

    As for Budaj, whether or not the loss is his fault is arguable. But what is painfully obvious to me is that he is no longer playing to an NHL standard. He looks small and too deep in his net, he is not playing the angles well, he is not always getting square to the puck. He has trouble going post to post due to over-committing one way, then lacking the ability to recover. And pucks seem to go through him. I know a backup goalie isn’t going to win you many games, but he shouldn’t lose you any either. To be honest, I’m not sure what the Habs should do because it’s not like any of the guys in Hamilton are lighting it up either.

    I think that the Habs shouldn’t give up an asset at this point to replace the back-up. But I would give a guy from Hamilton a start. If he does better, then Budaj can hit the waiver wire. If he clears, then get him some starts in Hamilton to find his game again.

    • PureGuava says:

      Budaj is fine – Price can’t have a ‘real’ backup (see Halak)…

      White needs to be gone, pronto. Two games sabotaged by a fourth line winger is enough for me. Hell, I could argue that his undisciplined play against the Leafs in game one had an affect on that result too.

      In a 48 gm season, 5% of your games cannot be decided by the selfishness of a fourth line player.

      Ya ya, hockey is a team sport – I get it. Tell Ryan White that before he’s sent to Hamilton. Bring up Leblanc, Blunden, or anyone that can figure this out.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

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