About last night …

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Pierre Gauthier, who is an assistant general manager for the Chicago Blackhawks, was in the pressbox Sunday night.
He could be seen deep in conversation with another former Canadiens GM, André Savard.
So here’s something to chew on while we wait for a puff of white smoke to emerge from the chimney of Casa Subban in Toronto:
If Andrei Markov had played 82 games last season, would Gauthier still be running your Montreal Canadiens?
Would Jacques Martin still be their coach?

Supplementary question for extra credit: If Smilin’ Jacques had been behind the Canadiens bench Sunday night at the Bell Centre, would the home team have won a game in which it blew a two-goal lead twice?

What a difference a new season is making?

Gauthier is gone. So are Martin and and mini-Jacques, aka Randy Cunneyworth.

Markov is back. And to the astonishment of some, including the know-nothing who live-blogs games of HIO, the defenceman is playing as well as he did before injuries wreaked havoc on his career.

Markov’s overtime winner against the Devils – what the heck was he doing down near Martin F. Brodeur’s left post – gave him four on the season. That’s more than any other NHL defenceman – including Erik Karlsson, the Norris Trophy winner the Canadiens will see twice this week.

At the age of 34, playing on a knee that’s had more surgery than Cher’s face, Markov is averaging 25 minutes of ice time through the Canadiens’ first four games.

The Canadiens’ power-play, which was 28th in the NHL last season, is ranked sixth through four games. The newfound efficiency is almost entirely attributable to the blueline magic being conjured up by Markov and his new PP partner, Raphael Diaz.

(Memo to P.K. Subban: Take your time thinking over the Canadiens’ contract offer. Really, man … no rush at all.)

At even strength, Markov has been paired with Alexei Emelin and has helped his homeboy emerge as a solid Top Four blueliner. Emelin could always hit through his debut NHL season, but the partnership with Markov has allowed the Russian Dman to move the puck with confidence.

Markov boosting a defence partner: Where have we seen this movie before? See KOMISAREK, Mike … who should be paying Markov a percentage of the UFA contract he got in Toronto.

The Canadiens’ OT win was the first over New Jersey on Bell Centre ice since March 11, 2008. Markov was held scoreless that night, but the Canadiens got goals from Bryan Smolinski, Saku Koivu, Maxim Lapierre and Michael Ryder. Carey Price stopped all 38 Devils shots.

Price made 22 saves Sunday night. He got some help from his goalposts, but good goaltenders often do.

Martin F. is a very good goaltender. A great one – arguably the best ever.  Heading into the game, Brodeur had surrendered all of three goals in New Jersey’s 3-0 start.

As was the case in that game five years ago, the Canadiens beat their Hall of Fame nemesis four times. But none of the aforementioned goalscorers were teenagers. The youngest player in the Canadiens lineup that night was Guillaume Latendresse.

Remember Gui! Gui! Gui! He’s Karlsson’s teammate on a very good Ottawa side that will provide a tough test for the Canadiens, Wednesday at Scotiabank Place and back at the Bell Centre on Super Bowl Sunday.

With the benefit of hindsight, it can be argued the Canadiens mishandled Latendresse’s development. Brought him up too soon, ladled too much pressure on a kid that was supposed to become a Québecois star.

The latest Great Franco Hope, Louis Leblanc, is playing in Hamilton.

And the latest potential star is playing like … well, a star.

Alex Galchenyuk had two assists against the Devils. He made a sublime pass to Brendan Gallagher for the latter’s first NHL goal.

It will be decision time on Galchenyuk after the Tuesday home against Winnipeg. The kid will have played five games, and general manager Marc Bergevin can either start the clock ticking on Galchenyuk’s pro career – with UFA implications down the road – or send him back to Sarnia of the OHL.

Fearless prediction: The kid sticks. Through four games, you can tell Galchenyuk has nothing to learn in junior hockey.

He and Gallagher have become the young darlings of the Bell Centre faithful, soaking up the adulation that used to be heaped on Subban. They did not look out of place against last season’s Stanley Cup finalists.

Driving home,  heard someone on TSN 690 saying the Devils have only two bona-fide stars, Ilya Kovalchuk and Martin F. It’s a mystery how anyone could come to that conclusion after watching Patrik Elias against the Canadiens.

The New Jersey veteran had a goal and two assists. He’s not flashy; but like Dainus Zubrus, Elias is a smart, hard-working hockey player who’s not going to let a two-goal deficit diminish his compete level.

A year ago, the Elias-sparked comeback would have shattered the confidence of the fragile Canadiens.

That was then.

Markov is now.

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Credit David Desharnais, who has struggled to get the groove this season, with winning the faceoff that led to Markov’s OT goal … playing against his old team and his kid brother, Brian Gionta had seven SoG … The Canadiens have outhit their opponents in every game since the season opener … My favourite radio analyst, Dany Dubé, likes Rene Bourque and would like him even more if the big winger shot less and went to the net more … if P.K. signs, and I think he will, we’ve probably seen the last of Yannick Weber. He was brutal against the Devils – unlike D partner Francis Bouillon, who’s been terrific through four games



351 Comments

  1. Canadiens are a much more energetic team this year ( much faster and more aggressive forecheck). This is what was sadly lacking last season. If the defense keeps playing the way they have been, Carey Price will be shutting down even better teams than the Devils.
    Keep rolling Habs.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Agree about the club being faster and more aggressive. Marty the Goalie said last night that he was surprised to see the difference in the Hab’s speed compared to last season. I think Gally and Chuckie have a lot to do with that, huh?

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  2. Sportfan says:

    lol the idea of Gauthier being in th Bell Center gave me shivers yesterday, hope Chicago realizes who they hired o.O

    Also really glad to hear about the Gallys staying! Now PK read our posts re-sign already!!!!

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

    • Mad Habber says:

      Does Chicago need an offensive defense man? I believe the Habs could trade one their way. You know the kind that Gauthier likes with big fat contracts.

  3. sane hockey fan says:

    Galchenyuk plays on a line with Prust whos best season had 29 points and Ghallager who is has played 4 NHL games and makes himself noticed by playing hard. Ghallager plays on a line with Prust whos best season had 29 points and Galchenyuk who has play 4 NHL games and makes himslef noticed by playing hard.

    Eller played on a line with two members of the teams first line, one guy who scored over 30 goals and another who scored over 60 points and looked invisible because he doesnt play hard.

    • Sportfan says:

      I feel with MB being in charge he will be draft more workhorse players over finesse which isn’t a bad thing.

      http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

    • Luke says:

      Sundin also looked like a lazy player when he played.

      Don’t mistake economy of motion for lack of effort. Don’t mistake hustle for productivity. As the saying goes, “Work smarter, not harder.”

      Eller is a fast and strong skater, similar in style to Joe Thornton. It doesn’t look like he puts much effort in, but he is. It’s an illusion because of his ability.

      I’m not criticizing the kids either, I’m speaking only of Eller. An example of wasted effort… working hard, but not smart… actually, Ovechkin right now…

      • sane hockey fan says:

        Sorry but he isn’t working hard or smart. If he is so skilled (like sundin) and was working hard and smart, he would produce. Stop making excuses for him.

        • Luke says:

          I make no excuses for him. He played a solid game. He contributed. He did not hurt the team with his play.

          You say he didn’t produce: In your opinion what production are you expecting of him?

  4. Propwash says:

    The two Gallys are staying up with the team this season as per Twitter, as if we didn’t know that already ;)

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  5. Habfan10912 says:

    John Lu reports that Gally and Chuckie have been informed by Hab’s that they are staying with the big club.
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  6. HFX-HabFan says:

    And it’s official: Galchenyuk is staying up with the big club this season.

  7. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:

    1. A Globe article this morning says that PK’s locker was cleaned out at the practice facility on the week-end, and his nameplate removed. Is this a sign of a trade?
    2. The Goat – now scouting for Chicago – was at the Habs game last night. Any chance he was looking at other players to be included in a Chicago-Montreal package deal that includes Subban? (Reports say the Flyers and 2 other teams have expressed strong interest.)
    3. If Chucky stays as most say he will, we have too many Centers. Eller – a center not a winger – is the OBVIOUS odd man out. What is Eller worth in trade?
    4. Would YOU keep Eller? And if not trading Eller – who?
    5. IMO, last night the Habs finally iced a FULL roster of hard working players who also have solid talent. But I am only able to say this because Kaberle was not in the line-up. Will Kaberle be a ‘top 4′ D in Montreal again?

    SD

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  8. Steeltown Hab says:

    It’s this simple – Can a team win a cup if Desharnais is the 2nd best C on the team. We don’t know for sure but I can’t see that ever happening.

    It’s almost like no matter how DD or Eller play the writing is just on the wall for Eller, they don’t want to give him a solid shot at playing C with decent players and will most likely be dealt, really hoping that’s not the case though.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      Why not? Gionta was a HUGE part of 2 Cups in NJ and St-Louis was the same in Tampa. DD is not there yet, but he can definitely be a #2 on many teams. Hell, he was #1 here and did not embarrass himself at all.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Gionta and St. Louis are both wingers not Centers which is a big difference. Arnott and Gomez in their prime. Tampa had Lecavalier and Brad Richards.

        Gio and St.louis are both way faster and accomplished players than DD don’t see how they’re a comparison unless DD plays wing though.

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          Double post….sorry.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Habsrule1 says:

          There is a diffeence, but DD is a very smart player and as I said before, he’s not afraid to get his nose dirty.
          As for Lecavalier & Richards…both excellent players, but Pacioretty and Cole are also good players and are both big and strong. 3 DD’s on that line…even 2 and you may be right, but I can see DD & Galchenyuk being the top 2 centres on this team going forward. I love Pleks too though, so someone will be traded eventually.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • nunacanadien says:

            What the habs are missing are huge forwards that compensated for Gionta. We saw his first goal after a hundred years when Gionta was standing behind the larger wall of bigger players. But honestly, maybe its time we consider sending Gionta to Chicago with Subban and Eller as a package deal for a bag of pucks so we can have some cap space.

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        Gionta only won one Cup in Jersey, and it was just his second season where he averaged less than 15 minutes of ice time a game (ninth best among NJ forwards that year). Just saying.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          You and your facts!
          His best season was 89 points and he has scored 20+ 6 years in a row now, including 28 & 29 with the Habs.

          Not bad for a little guy.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • SmartDog says:

      I disagree with your first point. But I agree with the 2nd one.

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  9. Habfan10912 says:

    A bit off topic but enjoyed the Sabre game yesterday afternoon. Their young future star Grigorenko looked like he belonged in the bigs as well as our Chuckie. He played over 17 minutes and had several good scoring chances. He looks huge out there. Before the game many in Buffalo were reasonably sure he was going to be sent down but after Sundays effort he may have changed some minds. It’s early yet but early returns look like Yak, Chucky and Grigs being 1,2 and 3.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130127/SPORTS/130129216

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  10. Loonie says:

    HIO…..where age has nothing to do with learning curve or development.

    Cheers to you Matty on a deviation from reality not normally seen from you.

  11. WindsorHab-10 says:

    What impressed last night about coach Therien is him patting Gallagher on the back after he scored his first goal. That’s something Jaques Martin would never do. Heck, if Martin was still coaching, Gallagher would have never seen any ice time. I like what I’ve seen from Michel Therien so far. One game at a time.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I really liked that as well, something small and something you would expect any coach to do. But when I saw it, I did ask myself, would JM have done that?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Me too.
        Great to see MT putting the youngsters out in pressure situations, where JM would only rely on vets, regardless of their roles on the team.
        (read: Darche on PP)

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I’ve heard several people say one of his strengths is working with young players. So far so good, eh?

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      I love how MT seems to be communicating and cheering on his team. No complaints about him yet, but the season is young.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • SmartDog says:

      I didn’t think I would like Therrien. And we haven’t seen how he deals with the CHALLENGES yet – which has not been his strongest area in the past. But damn he seems to be making good calls, giving the right guys more ice time, and keeping an even keel. Damn you Therrien! I wanted to hate you!

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    • Sportfan says:

      I wanted to talk about that too, I saw Therien pat him on the back to and it isn’t the first time. He seems like a well balanced coach and the players respect him it seems. He’s gone a long way from his first time here in Montreal and in Pittsburg I think he’s learnt a lot from his past. All that said and done keep up the good work boys!

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    • habs-fan-84 says:

      I thought that was great as well. Also liked him shaking hands with every player who came off the ice after their first win (against Florida).

      Good to see, there’s always room for positive re-enforcement.

  12. chanchilla says:

    anyone else loving the two gals and a goon(tm) line

  13. Habsrule1 says:

    Ok I know it’s an old boys club, but how does Gauthier get an assistant GM job after what he did here?
    He should be an office clerk or something.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  14. HabFanSince72 says:

    Logic, H I/O style.

    When the DD line does well it’s because Cole and Pacioretty are so good anyone could play with them. Even Lars Eller. Even Scott Gomez.

    When the DD line does poorly, it’s because of Desharnais.


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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yuppers! I have to admit, I had my doubts about DD last year, but when you focus on him and watch, he makes so many bright and instinctive moves. He has that “it” factor.

      Having said that, do I wish he had that and 4 inches and 20lbs on his frame? Absolutely, thus the reason people want to put Eller in that same situation.

      I simply hope the team can find a place for Eller where he benefits as does the team. But when Max and Cole are healthy DD makes fine wine with them. And oh yah, he is currently a steal on capgeek!!!

    • habsnyc says:

      This sounds more like making a straw man H I/O style. I doubt anyone suggested that Eller or Gomez should play on the first line. But I am certain many many people suggested that Plekanec should play on the first line. And certainly no one suggested “anyone” could play with them. What they might have meant was that an average NHL center playing on the first line with above average players would have an above average season. Of the three players on that line, DD has the least pedigree. He is neither an established power forward with a Stanley Cup, nor is he a first round pick. It is far more logical to assert that DD’s play is uneven than to suggest the same about either of his linemates.

      DD is not an established first line center. He had a strong season on a poor team. I hope he establishes himself as a premier playmaker. He certainly works hard and is very deserving of his success. But the league catches on quickly when players excel and it gets harder the next season.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        First, the DD line was not the first line when it was created.

        DD was not “given” first line duties.

        Plex/Gionta/Cammalleri WAS the first line at the start of the season. DD/MaxPac/Cole was the second line – in fact didn’t we try Gomez on that line at first?

        DD’s line only became the first line ex post facto.


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        • habsnyc says:

          What does that have to do with the discussion?

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • nunacanadien says:

            That’s the thing with Montreal and no sports commentator can pick who is our superstar. Who is the superstar on the habs? On the Penguins its Crosby, but honestly when are the habs ever going to get a superstar? We need one in order to get a cup. And DD and Gionta are way too small to fill the spot.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Inteesting that many posters say DD was a good centerman on a bad team last year. Prehaps tha’s the same with PK and management see’s it that way.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    In the midst of all the Eller or DD or Plex kicking and screaming, I hope we all realize that this is indeed a good problem to have!

    We actually have enough depth for the moment to have discussions over who should be centering a few of the lines on this team.

    Let me put it another way, the Leafs are again talking about making Kessel a center to help their top line.

    While there is growing pains with our current situation, lets remember this is also a sign of depth (limited I grant you).

    • Mattyleg says:

      Amen Brother Burl!
      It’s good to be deciding who will maximise our output rather than create it.

      Apparently Vinny Damphouse said this last night on L’Antichambre:
      « On a quelque chose cette année qu’on avait pas avant: du talent.»

      Heh heh.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I was thinking about you being in Leaf land this weekend. Had to be a bit more pleasant for you , eh?
      Your point about depth is dead on. I know we see DD land on his butt often but the guy gets up and never seems to be caught out of position and he works his butt off. Pleks is just rock solid night after night. Eller, well we all remember his 4 goal game so we know he has the skill to be a top forward.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Oh Leafland has completely demolished the floats they made last Saturday night and into Sunday. The radio waves are going nuts.

        Nice time not to be a Leaf FAN in the GTA (greater toronto area)

  16. Price07 says:

    Its clear to me that Desharnais doesn’t have a big future in the habs. If Galchenyuk is destined to be the 1st line center, I wouldn’t put Desharnais above Plekanec..Desharnais is too small for a 3rd line.

    Also, since we need a LW with size, I’d like to offer Eller to NYI for Neiderreiter (I’ll throw in a pick or Weber too).

    • Cal says:

      This is a funny post. In the first half you say DD is too small. In the second half you say they should trade Eller because DD is too small.

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      • Mattyleg says:

        The HI/O Writers have to start getting better at disguising themselves. Their ‘conversation-starting’ trolling is getting a bit transparent…

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habsrule1 says:

      DD was one of our best players last year, and he plays big. If the devils or Lightning listened to that nonsense, Gionta & St-Louis may not have been such big parts of Stanley Cup Championship teams.
      DD should and will get all the chances in the world in Montreal.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Desharnais doesn’t play big, he’s soft actually, unlike Gionta and Gallagher who play with grit and are both faster than DD. What he accomplished last year is commendable, but no team will ever win a cup with DD as their #2 center let alone #1.

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          You are incorrect. He’s done it a bit less so far this year, but last year, almost every time DD went to the corner or the boards for the puck, he came out with it. He is also very often in front of the net looking for rebounds or just causing a screen (albeit a short screen).
          Don’t judge him on 4 games. Go back and watch games from last season too.

          Go Habs Go!!

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          • nunacanadien says:

            Gionta and St-Louis relied on bigger wingers to plow the way for them in the same way Gionta got his first goal. But then they also had bigger d-men and a goalie who wanted to win.

  17. rhino514 says:

    As for the threads regarding Kristo, thankfully RW is the one spot where we are backlogged with prospects. Even if he doesn´t sign (and we don´t want people if they don´t want us) we have Colllberg, Leblanc, and Gallagher. These kids aren´t star prospects, but they are solid prospects. There isn´t room for more than one fulltime position, but there are always injuries, and if things break right, two of these kids could even make their mark next year. Gallagher has a leg up this year but could face stiff competition to keep his job next year.

  18. Ncognito says:

    Ok – Would you do this trade?
    PK Subban & Bournival for Huberdeau and Alex Petrovic?
    Would Florida?

  19. athanor says:

    At the age of 34, playing on a knee that’s had more surgery than Cher’s face,
    edit: At the age of 34, playing on a knee that’s had more surgery than Cher’s face this week,

  20. Mattyleg says:

    Ceci n’est pas un post.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. commandant says:

    Phil Kessel’s slow start. Should Fantasy pool owners be concerned?

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/28/fantasy-focus-phil-kessels-slow-start/

    Go Habs Go!
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  22. TommyB says:

    It’s refreshing to see the Habs playing so well, and to see so much promise for the future on the team. I’m hoping both Galchenyuk and Gallagher stay for the season. I know there are salary cap implications, and I know Subban should be signed. I think with Subban, the ball is in his court. But it’s not his ball to take home and sulk like a kid playing street hockey on a Saturday afternoon. I think both he, and his agent, should show some patience. The huge payday will come with the next contract if PK earns it.

    Bergevin has to stand his ground. He has to set the standard here because he is going to have several other players in the same position as Subban a few years down the road. Where will all that money come from? Unless the cap rises drastically throughout the course of this CBA, teams who load up salary-wise on a handful of players are going to have quite mediocre players the rest of the way down through the roster. What happens when one or more of those guys either gets injured or their work ethic tails off? We’ve already seen that, haven’t we? PK and his agent are well aware of this. This is the reason they want the big payoff now. What happens if PK has a career-threatening injury? That may be the smart thing to do for the Subban camp, but it doesn’t fit in with the way Bergevin has to fill out a competitive roster while handcuffed to a salary cap that is too low, due to maybe one third of the teams in the league who really shouldn’t be there. But, that’s another story.

    PK Subban is a great talent. The Habs are a better team with him in the lineup. But is it also possible that Montreal fans and media maybe overvalue PK Subban? I think they do. This can artificially drive up the value of a player in his own eyes, and those of his agent. And those same fans who overvalue and idolize certain players, will be there with fork and knife, ready to carve that same player up and eat him for dinner, the moment things go sour. Just look through these posts here on HIO if you need proof. Marc Bergevin has been entrusted with the task of assembling a competitive team. I think he will do just fine, without the advice of Montreal fans and media. All decisions will not be popular, but all decisions will be made based on what is good for the team now, and down the road.

    And one more sobering thought…a 3 game win streak can turn to a 3 game losing streak in the blink of an eye. Be ready to accept that fact. There will be ups and downs to this season, like any other. This upcoming week looks to be a challenge. I’m up for it. It should provide some fun hockey.

  23. nunacanadien says:

    None of the plays show any format or style so far. They are all rushes on the net, and players and rookies improvishing. This is ok at the beginning of the season. We need a more regular format that works. The habs won’t always be able to play outside of the flying 4 formation. Remember Martin’s defense formation that never got goals? There is a difference as Markov is not really the key player here, he is just taking advantage of the early season. The difference is the habs now have some decent sized forwards that can push back. Although with the loss of Patches we are back to being a tiny tyke team. And not signing Subban that is even worse. Therrien’s style works if you have bigger players.

  24. BJ says:

    In about ten more games if we keep playing the way we have so far; excluding PK as we don’t know where it all stands at this time, who could we add to make us a serious contender?

    • Loonie says:

      I think any of these guys would be a serious upgrade…..

      Doug Murray, Ron Hainsey, Rob Scuderi, Joe Corvo.

      • nunacanadien says:

        We need bigger faster forwards, or at least a two way defenseman. Although the habs have won based on power plays which is not always going to be the case.

        • Loonie says:

          Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque, Eller, Galchenyuk.

          • nunacanadien says:

            Cole is hot and cold and not exactly a team player. Bourque is a head case like half the team, Eller is a wimp and of course we should never ever trade or do the Subban to Galy! We all know Therrien is a bigot and he showed his colors well when he gave color commentary. Someone forgot to tell Therrien its color commentary…..lol.

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        Murray or Scuderi would be splendid.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Who would they replace though? Markov, Emelin, Gorges and Diaz have earned their spot. Cube is playing very well. And PK gets the last spot.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Hainsey in the press box a lot and his play has dropped off. ended number 5 or 6 d man with the jets last year. He sucks and would be a down grade. He may be bigger but if him and Gill had a race it would be a draw.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

  25. CCL says:

    Myself I would sit Desharnais for a couple of games not that he’s no good but he hasn’t done much in 4-games to give Eller a chance at playing center. everyone seems to think he’d be a big star playing there. now is the time to find out while we have the extra center. put up or shut up.

    • Loonie says:

      I might be out of line and if I am I apologize. But it seems like you want Eller to get a shot at centre, have a bad game and then come back in here and tell everyone you told them so.

      Screwing with a lineup that won just so that you can confirm your notion that Eller isn’t good enough and rub peoples’ noses in it.

      • nunacanadien says:

        I say trade Eller back for Halak. We can always use a decent backup goalie to make sure we keep winning.

        • The Jackal says:

          METH – Not even once!

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    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Desharnais turn to sit is now. He’s been bad, and if you don’t do something it sends a bad msg to the players that you’re always using Eller as the whipping boy.

      Eller is a Center not a winger we learned that last year. He’s a puck on his stick and create type of guy.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      Desharnais has been playing fine. He hasn’t been lighting the place up, but he’s been regularly involved with the play, winning battles along the boards and threatening defence with his speed and vision.

      Sitting an established player to give a floater a chance to make people notice him is a pretty poor strategy, if you ask me.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Now it´s getting beyond ridiculous. Eller is a floater but DD who gets so damn easily pushed off the puck has been playing fine? 1 point that was the second assist on a 5-3 PP is also not impressive btw.

      • CERF says:

        Always respect your post Matty.. but to say DD is established after one season is a bit of a stretch? Given he was lights out last year and hasn’t started this year off with a bang(given hes still played well) i’d give Eller a shot and just remind DD that he’s not “safe” and keep the fire burning in the rear end

        • chanchilla says:

          he has dominated at every level he’s played at, his ability to prove people wrong at every single level is the proof that he’s established.

          • CERF says:

            again, i am not knocking DD, he’s a fantastic player and i’m more then happy for him. But with that said, you need to brush up on what established means(I don’t mean to come across being a dick here.. just saying :) )

    • CCL says:

      most people on here seem to think Eller is a good center. the wingers they’ve put with him is the problem. what I should have said. when Pacioretty returns sit Desharnais a few games and let us see what Eller can do at center with the best two wingers on the Habs. he could be the answer. but that’s the only way we’re gonna find out. everyone has an opinion. you may think he’s great. right now I don’t but that doesn’t mean he won’t prove me wrong.

      • Maksimir says:

        I absolutely cannot fathom why so many people think DD is no good. Who won the critical faceoff in OT last night to help win the game?

        Who screened the goalie in the previous game to help Gorges get his 1st (and usually rare) goal?

        Patches is gone for a bit and Cole is slowly getting his legs & timing back. That line will start clicking again at some point and the Habs will have three scoring lines.

        As for Eller I would like to see him stay in the lineup but not at DD’s expense.

        • commandant says:

          Who dug the puck out of the corner and won the board battle to help Markov score vs Florida.

          No doubt he is struggling but he’s still doing many of the little things that are helping this team right now.

          Go Habs Go!
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  26. frontenac1 says:

    15cm of snow then Freezing Rain today.Glad Santa brought me warm socks and booze this Christmas.Blunden played well for the Dogs this year and had a great camp. He should be given a chance soon.He earned it. Eller has not earned anything this yet this season IMO.

    • Loonie says:

      Eller earned an opportunity by being vastly more skilled. People forget that Blunden was a second round pick who’s had more than his share of chances to stick at the NHL level.

      I like him but he’s by no measure without accountability for his failure to become an NHL regular.

      • nunacanadien says:

        I say trade Eller for cap space so we can sign Subban. Not signing Subban will look bad both for Bergevin and Meehan. I doubt Meehan would ever be allowed to be seen in Montreal after this. After giving us the Halak crap over a few thousand dollars difference, and the horrible seasons we’ve had since (wish people could see Halak for what he is and was) Meehan better wake up and smell the roses. No one will want to trade, deal or put up with Meehan after this. An agent is supposed to encourage and promote his player with his team, not alienate them and make them hate their player but Meehan seems to basically leave his players high and dry. It is time Meehan wake up and help the team for once.

        • HFX-HabFan says:

          You do realize that Allen Walsh, and not Meehan, is Halak’s agent?

          • commandant says:

            He apparently doesn’t, because this is not the first time he’s been told this, and still comes back with the same crap about Halak and Meehan.

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          • nunacanadien says:

            I meant to say that Meehan is acting in the same way that Halak’s agent did to Montreal. Geeze boys you forgot to dot your i’s and you spelt a whole bunch of things wrong, maybe you need to go back to detention class….

      • frontenac1 says:

        Not disputing Ellers size or skill. Just his compete level. It sucks IMO. Hopefully the coaching staff can get his juices flowing,if not he shouldn”t be there. If Therrien is serious about giving ice time to guys that work hard to compete then Blunden should be given a shot.

  27. ed lopaz says:

    to answer some posters below, each player has defined “their game” which has resulted in them making it to the NHL.

    Eller’s game, from what I have seen these past years, is not the same game as Bourque’s for example.

    Bourque is a power forward, who succeeds when he keeps his game very simple, north-south, drives the net with or without the puck, wins the battles along the boards, and finishes his checks. Bourque will score 90% of his goals from within 10 feet.

    Eller has a big body, but he has much better “skills”, hands, passing, and an ability to make people miss, then a conventional power forward like Bourque.

    Eller has made the NHL playing this kind of game; , as a center, carrying the puck and distributing the puck. Even though he is big, I think (you would have to ask him!) he is more comfortable in the middle of the ice, gathering pucks and using a transitioning game .

    The extreme example of Eller’s game – world leader today – is Malkin.

    Now, how would Malkin have developed if he had come into Pittsburgh and they tried to turn him into a Bourque type, power forward?

    It’s a very tough transition for Eller, and I personally hope that he is given the chance to develop the game that got him to the NHL.

    When a young player makes it to the NHL, like Eller, the best and most effective strategy is to “PLAY YOUR GAME”, the game that got you to the NHL in the first place.

    • Loonie says:

      Yep. Eller played like Bourque last night and did pretty well. But he won’t be lighting the lamp anytime soon if that’s the game they want him to play.

    • twilighthours says:

      Yet we often hear players and coaches say “keep it simple” or “simplify the game.”

      I think Eller would get back into the flow of things if he just played like a regular checking winger for a few games. Play like Gallagher. Eller certainly has the tools to do that.

      • Loonie says:

        It might seem easy for him to play that kind of game but it isn’t. His first instinct is to make the puck carrier go where he wants him to go with the puck and make a play on it once he’s forced the decision. When he has the puck his first instinct is to lead a linemate into an area where he can get him the puck instead of just taking it to the net and crashing it.

        His game is to see the whole ice, a tunnel vision checker he is not. If that’s the role they want him to play it will take time for him to be a plus offensive producer.

        • nunacanadien says:

          Eller is not tough enough for the new habs. I say trade Eller, Eller symbolizes what Gauthier Martin had as a vision, which was a wimpy nice team no one could be angry at.

          Eller needs to go somewhere like Nashville where he can improve his skills without all the media attention and the push to win.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I’m not really sure where everyone gets the idea that Eller has ‘great vision’ and that he sees the whole ice.

      My impression is that Eller is too slow at making decisions at centre, and often wastes opportunities. Those who credit his lack of impact to poor wingers need only look at Plekanec to see that if your wingers are bad, then you go to the net yourself to create scoring opportunities.

      A bad workman blames his tools.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Loonie says:

        Yeah Matty Plekanec has had a dog’s breakfast like Gionta, Kostitsyn, Kovalev and Bourque.

        Eller’s had Kostitsyn, Blunden, Darche and Moen.

        Apples to oranges.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Hmm, you’re going to have to do better than that, Loon.

          Have a longer look at who Plekanec has played with over the past few years, and more specifically, last season.

          And you know what? Plekanec didn’t get a free pass to the first line when he started with the Habs. He worked hard with the players he was paired with, and made people take notice of him, and made him the obvious choice for the top line(s). Eller has indicated (to certain people) that he has boundless talent, and that his lack of production is everyone else’s fault but his.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Loonie says:

            Matty Eller hasn’t stated anything publicly regarding his abilities that I’m aware of.

            Plekanec did earn his ice time, at an age well older than Eller’s had an opportunity to. You’re comparing Eller to Plekanec as if they were identical in their situations.

            You’ve had a hate on for him for quite some time. Other people and I have stated that people of your mindset seem to do so out of fear that Eller will unseat Plekanec if given or having earned the opportunity to play with skilled linemates(something which HE HAS NOT had the opportunity to do).

            Sorry your pet may not be a lifer. How will you cope?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Hahaha!

            Aww Tom…

            You had to undermine a decent, argument-based post with a silly cheap-shot that makes you look foolish and petty!! Resist those urges, mate!

            I have no fear that Eller will replace Plekanec. If he proves himself to be the better player, then I’d be thrilled! Plecky can’t play forever, and he’s getting a bit long in the tooth already, and I’d love to see a younger player (could be Eller, could be anyone!) step into his shoes.

            Of course Eller would never say anything publicly regarding his abilities. What I -perhaps unclearly- was getting at was that some people believe that Eller has boundless talent and that his lack of production is everyone else’s fault but his.

            I don’t have it out for Eller. He plays for the Habs, and therefore, I support him. What I disagree with is certain posters’ fascination with him, and their insistence that he get chance after chance to ‘prove himself’. And I don’t buy the ‘Eller is younger than Plekanec was’ argument. You know what? Galchenyuk is younger than them both and is more impressive. Age has nothing to do with it, it’s all about how you impose yourself on the game.

            And so far, Eller hasn’t imposed himself enough to merit unseating those who have, in my opinion.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Loonie says:

            Expecting elevated offensive play with no skilled linemates attached to him is ridiculous.

            You have in my opinion continued to put Eller down with your eye test evaluation regarding his on-ice vision. I’ll take his vision ahead of yours in this case Matty.

            I’m not silly for calling your continued cracks on Eller for what they are. You are the one comparing him to Plekanec and you are the one who looks foolish for doing it.

  28. dhenry1234 says:

    I absolutely have been in love with watching this team these past few games. Everything is great when the team is winning. But I’m not getting my hopes up yet. And neither should anybody else.

    I remember last year, Habs were having a tough time to start the season, but then the team went on a 4 game winning streak. Beating Boston twice, Philadelphia and Ottawa made everything better in Hab Land. It was 4 games and the team had completely won over the Habs faithful after a slow start. People were singing their praises just like they are now.

    Those were only 4 games. Look at what happened with the team last year. We’ve only played 4 games, and there is still plenty of hockey to be played. Habs are going to lose. There are going to be games where we look horrible and Price lets in 5 goals and we can’t score. They’re going to win. There will be games where Price gets a shutout and we score 5 goals.

    Everybody, let’s just sit back and enjoy this entertainment the best we can.

    This team is different. I’ve learned my lesson about getting my hopes. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, but I have to admit I get an amazing vibe right now.

    Les Canadiens Sont La

    • The Cat says:

      It is different, I dont have a photographic memory but Id say that depth of scoring is much better so far, whereas before the habs would ride on a ‘hot’ line.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habsssssssswin says:

      Good post. You summed up this whole thread in a nutshell.
      We were an overtime goalpost away from the Bandwagon heading
      south. I live and die with The Habs just like you.

  29. habsfan0 says:

    I wonder if PK is STILL at home in Toronto mulling over his decision today. Good day to stay home and think what with the messy weather in the GTA today..snow,freezing rain,rain,fog. Everything but locusts in the forecast.

  30. 24 Cups says:

    The only issue that concerns me right now is the face-off circle.

    Galchenyuk = 34%
    Pleks = 44%
    DD = 45%
    Prust = 44%
    White = 61%

    • Loonie says:

      Faceoff numbers are terribly flawed.

      Part of what I’m working on for filling gaps in some stats is who actually won or lost a faceoff.

      I haven’t had a chance to review the Caps game or last night’s game yet but in the two previous games the numbers lie.

      Plekanec’s faceoff success was much higher than the box score shows by winning 12 of 14 draws against the Panthers when the result was clean without a tie up.

      On the flip side of the coin. Desharnais was 3 for 7 but Cole and Pacioretty combined to win 5 of 6 draws for him that were tied up and required outside help.

      Prust has been near 75%. Galchenyuk just under 50%

      A stat that really needs looked at in my opinion because it is important.

    • rhino514 says:

      Nokkia will help, but I guess you´d have to take out White who is doing well there. Hopefully someone on that list will get the hang of it as the season goes along.

  31. Habsssssssswin says:

    (Memo to P.K. Subban: Take your time thinking over the Canadiens’ contract offer. Really, man … no rush at all.)
    Nonsense Mike Boone. He skates like Coffey. He hits like Stevens.
    He shoots like Mcguinness. He thinks like Orr.
    I wouldn’t trade Subban for Crosby and a draft pick. He is that good and will get better.

    • Clay says:

      Come now…that’s absurd.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Okay I appreciate PK’s physical abilities, but I am not sure any of those comparisons is accurate.

      Macinnis had a harder and more accurate shot.
      He simply doesn’t skate as well as Coffey
      And Stevens hits are well documented (and dirty mind you) and happened every single game.

      Now I will say that his skating is quite a bit above average compared to most teams. His shot is hard, but needs accuracy and he does provide some huge hits.

      His greatest asset is he is typically average to above average in virtually all skillsets. As he matures, he will develop into an elite Dman in this league.

      • Clay says:

        You forgot the part about Orr, or not trading him for Crosby plus a pick. The latter is what drew my rather undiplomatic rebuttal.
        Because really, if the Pens offered that, any Hab (fan, player, or management) with any hockey sense at all would take it in a heartbeat.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          Actually your right, I didn’t read that far, i was already fooled by the first 3 comparisons. :)

        • The Cat says:

          Why make that trade? Crosby is not that far from not playing anymore ; given his concussions. But PK aint no Paul Coffey, who to me was the greatest skater Ive ever seen skate.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Clay says:

            So you really wouldn’t give PK for Crosby straight up?
            (I agree on Coffee though)

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          • The Cat says:

            Of course a healthy Crosby I would, but hes not healthy, and the habs need a top level d-man more I think. So no I wouldnt make it, given Crosby’s concussions which we probably havent seen the last of. PK is on the way up, and for all the reasons I gave, Crosby is on the way down.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Clay says:

            Wow…I can see your reasoning, but I would still take the chance.

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          • The Cat says:

            I can see your reasoning as well. Theres other factors thatd play into it of course, like if PK was signed and playing, wanting/not wanting to be a hab etc. PK is more useful to the habs than Crosby is to the pens. Pens can go without Crosby because of depth, but habs depth on D isnt that great. Both Pitts and Philly were fairly equal but look at how Philly did when Pronger went down compared to the pens when Crosby went down.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I think he was being facetious. Well, I hope he was.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Psycho29 says:

      I own a PK Subban sweater, and even I cannot approve this message.

  32. Keeper64 says:

    Just a question…..when was the last time you saw the fourth line score a goal or have any influence on the game??? I know I can’t remember. Congrats R.White!! C.Armstrong could’ve had 3-4 goals with the great chances he’s had in the last 2 games. This is unheard of from the crap 4th lines we’ve put on the ice over the PG/JM era.

    • Loonie says:

      I have not liked Armstrong in any of his previous destinations and did not like his addition to this team.

      But he’s been great so far. He’s probably made more out of his ice-time than anybody else on the roster. Just doesn’t have the points to show for it.

      • HammerHab says:

        agreed. he’s in the same category as Bourque for me. The effort is there, they just haven’t gone in for them yet.

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  33. HabinBurlington says:

    Eller/DD Dichotomy – I think part of the issue for this whole debate over which player is better or should play is tricky for a very simple reason. They play complete opposite styles of game.

    DD, perhaps as a result of his size, relies on his hockey IQ, when he is going well he knows where people are on the ice and reads plays well as a result. He becomes the consumate setup man, and with linemates likes Cole and MaxPac this ability fits in perfectly.

    Eller I think relies on a more traditional style of grinding center whose physical abilities and skating with the puck create his opportunities. (It is hard to know exactly what Eller’s game is best, as we haven’t seem him get the same linemates for extended time)

    However, both can and should be effective players for this team. I think Eller at this point just needs more confidence. In some ways the MaxPac injury may be a blessing as it hopefully forces MT to keep Eller in the lineup and have him play his way into a regular spot on the team.

    I just wonder however, if MT may be a little bit chomping at the bit to throw Blunden into the lineup.

    • Loonie says:

      I think the issue might be trying to change him into a north/south player. And I think he and Desharnais are much more alike than what meets the eye at first glance.

      Desharnais holds the puck and buys time to find open teammates by giving them time to find open ice. Eller tries to play the same way but Cole and Pacioretty are a little better at finding open ice than Blunden and Darche or Kostitsyn and Moen.

      I don’t think Eller is a grind it out centreman. I think he’s a skilled centreman who would benefit greatly from having Moen and Gallagher on a line with him.

      I’d be curious to see how a lineup like this would gel…..

      Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta
      Desharnais – Galchenyuk – Cole
      Moen – Eller – Gallagher
      Prust – White – Armstrong

    • Andy and the habs says:

      Very good analysis HB. I couldn’t have said it any better in comparing the two players.

      The question now is where do we put Eller? He will play on the wing for now. As soon as Max is back, and not wanting to mess with the third line if they stick, Eller seems to be the odd man out.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Tired of watching Eller on the wing. Play him at center and he will improve. Issue with Eller is that, right now, he is not excellent at any particular aspect of his game. DD, for example, has flaws but is an excellent passer/playmaker hence his role on the first line and powerplay. Eller just needs to play more to develop his “niche”. I would move Armstrong to the first line since he has speed and some jam. Eller would then center the fourth line with Moen and White. We’ll see……

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      During shootouts last year, Eller and DD were the only ones who demonstrates stickhandling skills. Eller IS a skill center, but far bigger than DD.

  34. Propwash says:

    The team seems to be clicking very nicely, Therrien and his assistants are doing a nice job behind the bench which is something alot of us weren’t expecting. If this keeps up, who knows how far the team can go!

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    • Keeper64 says:

      I agree. I am very impressed with the team chemistry and the tenacity that I’ve seen in EVERY game. The pressure we put on NJ last night was relentless and forced countless turnovers that we pouched on. LOVE IT.

  35. Habsrule1 says:

    Good game by the Habs, despite losing the lead. The devils are a good measuring stick.
    Eller is going to have his chance to prove himself with Pacioretty out for a while. I had a nagging feeling he was going to be traded, and I think if he doesn’t show more (I think he had a decent game last night), he still will be packaged and traded for a decent return. Weber will be in that package if PK signs. The timing sux a bit though because we may want to trade Weber before Pacioretty gets back. I like Weber but I just don’t see him as necessary or a fit on this team right now.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Clay says:

      How will we get ‘a decent return’ for a player ‘if he doesn’t show more’? I really can’t see the logic here. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but this is very typical of Habs fans! :)

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      • Habsrule1 says:

        I said decent, not great.
        I think Eller’s age and potential are still attractive to some teams. I also think you over valued the term “decent”…perhaps a 2nd round draft pick or another decent (there’s that word again) prospect that another team isn’t having luck with. I’d be happy with a 2nd round pick to continue building for the future. If not 2nd round, maybe 3rd?
        Oh, and I’m anything but typical :-P

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Clay says:

          You’re right – I did overvalue the term. I could picture Eller going for a second round pick for sure.

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  36. Habfan10912 says:

    Am I the only one who screams “don’t get hurt” whenever Markov gets in a scrum along the boards?

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  37. Hobie Hansen says:

    Great game last night. NJ was a bit lucky to get back into the game after the Prust goal. How often do you see two players get called for high sticking on the same play? And then Price let in his first softie of the year to tie the game at 4-4.

    I was really excited to see the 4th line, on a few occasions, throw some big hits and keep the play in the NJ end. It’s been a long time since the Bell Centre crowd has applauded the 4th line on several occasions in a game for banging, crashing and taking the play to another team;s top players.

    Bourque has shown all the doubters that he’s top six material. The guy has been nothing short of intense. His shots are a bit wild but I’m sure he’ll pot a couple goals shortly.

    I think Gallagher-Galchenyuk-Prust have to stay together for the rest of the season. I don’t think they did anything negative in the game to put the game in jeopardy? I hope the Habs keep the two rookies all season.

    If Pacioretty is healthy, I don’t know what you do with Eller? Either Eller or Desharnais has to be traded and I have a feeling Desharnais will find his game before Eller. We’ll see what happens but it’s not a huge deal, minor problem.

    And the defense, They have yet to be exposed. So far so good!

    Hats off to Therrien for having the boys fired up each night!

    Go Habs Go!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Was that a test? Game ended 4-3, not 5-4.
      What do I win?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Clay says:

        Re: your sig;
        Tell that to the idiot who wrote the poll question…

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          For someone who’s not trying to be a dick…..

          It’s a poll question. The purpose of a poll is to see what people think. I don’t really see how asking fans what they think makes someone an idiot.
          I don’t think anyone is expecting Bergevin to ask for the results in order to help him make his decision.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Clay says:

            Oh, you misunderstood – I meant I wasn’t trying to be a dick to you. I was trying to be a dick to the person who posted that question. I find it insulting to PK and the team. We always talk about how the media sours players on playing in Montreal. Things like this are a big part of the problem.
            I, for one, want our good players happy and wanting to stay.

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          • Habsrule1 says:

            We are in total agreement on PK, but I still think these types of poll questions are kinda fun, and confirms how out of touch some fans are, on occassion.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Clay says:

            That it does (confirms how they are out of touch)…I didn’t vote in the poll, but after ‘talking’ to you here, I did click the ‘see results’ link. I was happy to see that a good 77% said no, but somewhat dismayed that 23% want him gone.
            Perhaps they’re fans of other teams who hope to land PK in a trade?

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  38. Habfan10912 says:

    When PK returns do you see a 7 man rotation with Kabrele and Frankie B taking turns sitting and Weber moved? There is no way Weber clears waivers is there?

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    • Loonie says:

      Bouillon won’t sit for anybody. If Diaz continues to play like he has through four games he isn’t going anywhere either but I find it hard to believe he won’t have ups and downs.

      • commandant says:

        The Habs are currently running a five man rotation with Kaberle/Weber getting very limited minutes (depending who is dressed).

        I think Weber is traded, Kaberle is the 7th defenceman, and the other 6 play (if Subban signs)

        Unless someone does us a favour and trades for Kaberle of course.

        Go Habs Go!
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        • Loonie says:

          I still refuse to believe there isn’t a market for Kaberle. It could be that I’m too stubborn to believe a team couldn’t use him.

          Even something like a late round pick or plodding prospect.

          • twilighthours says:

            Don’t you think Gauthier tried to deal him for anything (bag of pucks, old jock strap) last year at the deadline?

          • Loonie says:

            Gauthier was the one who acquired him. Hard to say.

            I think Bergevin probably tried to trade him at the draft.

          • twilighthours says:

            This is it. I am fearful that he will remain a Hab until bought out.

          • Loonie says:

            I am too but Kaberle’s much more attractive to other teams with a prorated salary this year and a pending ufa next year than he was at last year’s draft with potentially two full seasons at $8.5 million combined still to account for.

            Hopefully somebody takes the risk!

  39. Loonie says:

    Regarding Eller,

    In just under 14 minutes of ice-time due to the high number of special teams play he contributed three bodychecks, three takeaways and three shots……and that’s just on the boxscore.

    It doesn’t take into account that he set Cole up twice for scoring opportunities with passes through traffic for one timers. It doesn’t say that two of his takeaways were high in the zone that interrupted breakouts for the Devils.

    It’s a little upsetting that people need a guy to light up the score sheet or the media to fawn over a player for them to believe he had a good game.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Figures never lie and liars never figure so your point is made. I just didn’t see a high energy game from him. It will be hard to convince me that he was a factor. Perhaps that is why Moen moved onto that line in the third?

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      • Loonie says:

        For one shift. And then Eller was trusted in overtime to take a shift with a rookie(Gallagher).

        I’m not going to try to convince you that he was a factor. Some people have decided to judge the talent, ability and impact of players based on expectations rather than their actual play. And those people are often shocked when the stats come.

        That’ll be the case with Eller, it’s just a matter of when and where.

        • commandant says:

          I thought Eller and Cole both had strong games, but are getting a ton of criticism post game, and this morning. I wonder if I watched the same game as these people.

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          • Loonie says:

            Cole and Desharnais have had screens that have lead to four of the goals the Habs have scored before last night as well.

            It isn’t like they aren’t contributing.

            I do find it funny though that I was laughed at for saying they’ll need to make adjustments this season. Their behind the back drop passes aren’t working because opposing teams are focusing on them more now whether people want to acknowledge it or not. They’re more aware of how that line plays together and better prepared to stop it.

          • twilighthours says:

            Cole was fine. I just wish Eller would take a page out of Cole’s book (or Prust’s / White’s / Armstrong’s). Stop worrying about the game and just go skate your wing and throw your body into something. Move your legs. He should be sitting on the bench inspired by the 4th line’s willingness to just forecheck. I didn’t see that intensity from him last night. Maybe he’s worried about Therrien’s response. Maybe that truly isn’t his game.

            I just think he’d do himself a huge favour if he took a few shifts like Gallagher – dump, chase, hit, repeat, and go to the bench with a smile on your face.

          • Andy and the habs says:

            Although Pacioretty has not scored, I believe he is top four with the Canadiens in points. The line of DD has provoked goals but just has not found itself in the goals sheet. Eller played pretty good but the comparison with DD who plays larger than its size and who is intelligent and gritty is not the same. Eller is a good third liner, but he may have to find another team.

            Edit: so many buts

  40. homerbowen says:

    Hope PK signs today because we will need him for the future. So for those slagging him perhaps you should direct your hate to the Laffs and/or the Bruins. While I appreciate we have Cap issues I’m sure MB and PK can work something out. Go Habs Go

    • V says:

      Would be surprised if PK does not sign today. Some quotes in Toronto paper on the weekend sure sounded like he expected to be playing very soon. Just hope it’s in Montreal.

  41. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning friends. This had been a pleasant surprise for us Hab fans. There is NO way Chuckie and Gally get sent down. They provide a nice mix of youth to some of our veteran players. Last night was Cole’s best game thus far. Seemed to have his quick first step last night. Bourque makes you notice him just about every shift. Goals will start to come his way if this continues. Emilin has turned out to be a legitimate top 4 defenseman. His ability to move the puck has been the biggest improvement in his game. Night and day compared to last year. And isn’t it nice to have a decent fourth line who can play physical and have some hockey talent as well?
    A big negative last night for me was Weber. Maybe we need to take his performance with a grain of salt since it was his first game, but he sure did not look like a NHL player last night.
    Eller? He did not do himself any favors. Maybe it’s the wing vs center thing. He just doesn’t seem to want to invest physically. Bourque may be great example of whose game he should emulate.
    This team is fun to watch and looks like they are difficult to play against, as promised. Smiles all around this morning, eh?
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  42. Old Bald Bird says:

    There was a time last night when I thought Les Boys would lose, but oddly enough that thought didn’t make me miserable. I like the way they have been playing. They are working, skating, and being up-tempo. In other words, right now, this team is fun to watch after the JM years. Attitude and the style of hockey do matter.

  43. Cal says:

    I find it odd that 72 hours are needed for PK to make up his mind. He has to sign and join his teammates, who have thus far been surprising good. He’ll make the Habs better and deeper on D.
    If he wants to sit out, he’ll be traded for certain.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Cal. I found that a bit odd as well thinking that PK had to be chopping at the bit. The only theory I can come up with is he may have been hoping an offer sheet might have been forthcoming over the weekend. Who knows. I’ll be glad when this gets resolved. CHeers.

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  44. Newf_Habster says:

    My gut feeling is what Marc Bergevin made to PK Subban last Friday is a final take-or-reject offer, so that was why PK was going to talk to his family over it before his meeting with Don Meehan today.

  45. AliHaba says:

    What can I say! So much different watching these Habs so far compared to what we had to suffer through last year. I expect PK will be signed either today or tomorrow for 2 years at 3.5 per or 3 years at 3.333 per.

    Tim Bozon 48 games 64 points +27
    Charles Hudon 38 51 +16
    Olivier Archambault 45 43 -1
    Brady Vail 47 39 -12
    Danny Kristo 24 33 E
    Erik Nystrom 42 30 +7
    Darren Dietz 47 26 -20
    Sebastian Collberg 51 26 +9
    Magnus Nygren 39 23 +8
    Mark MacMillan 26 17 E
    Dalton Thrower 32 17 +13
    Mike Cichy 25 15 E
    Dustin Walsh 15 13 E
    Mac Bennett 20 13 E
    Daniel Pribyl 33 12 +7
    Maxim Trunev 39 8 -1
    John Westin 35 5 -8
    Josiah Didier 19 4 E
    Colin Sullivan 21 1 E

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Nice being able to wake up and be excited to read Boone’s About Last Night. Way too many mornings last year, it hurt to read as there simply was no way that even Boone’s ability to apply makeup could change the appearance of what was indeed a Swine.

    I remain hopeful that saner heads will prevail and we indeed get to see that puff of white smoke from the Bell Center (great reference Boone!) and find out that indeed the Habs Mgmt and PK/Meehan have found a deal acceptable to both parties.

    The team showed some warts in the 2nd, and the double penalty in the 3rd appeared to be deja vous of last years Habs. Cue a nice save by Price on Kovalchuk breakaway, some posts along the way and we managed to get into OT.

    Erik Cole who has struggled made a great rush to draw the penalty and the General took over from there. (On a side note, didn’t it appear Cole actually realizes Markov is behind him and instead of trying to force a weak rebound shot, allows Markov to shoot the winner on the forehand?)

    The team showed resiliency and came back with the win. Even better was that we won a game when Price was not at his best and probably wants at least one of the Devils goals back.

    Next game is the Jets who had a similar game last night, blowing a lead on the Islanders only to come back and win. Should be good, another big wager for me with the rest of the whole family back in the Peg!

    P.S. Noticed in the boxscores, Gomez was 8 and 1 in the faceoff circle…

    • Captain aHab says:

      I think the Subban camp is waiting for the Habs to lose a game before signing, but not because it’ll give them more money. Can you imagine if he signed today and the Habs lost the next game? A bunch of people would immediately say that the guys don’t want to play with him.

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  47. Bash says:

    The look on Markov’s face when he did the post game skate said it all. After two years of pain and toil in belief that he could rehab he has come all the way back! The faith shown by the Habs has been rewarded. The story is inspirational and already speaks to a his name being engraved next to Pac’s.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  48. remi_10069 says:

    I have a knack for turning people around. Talked a ton of crap about Markov after game 1…seems to have done the trick. Here goes another one…Desharnais who I really like is playing like he wants to join Darche on the “might make the devils” squad. Seems to be screwing up Cole who looks out of place, probably because his teamates keep running into him. Get the f outta his way. Bourque looks good, needs to bury one.

  49. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I think Markov could have saved the jobs of Gauthier and Martin. That being said, Therrien is not coasting on Markov’s talent. The PG / JM Habs would have been dull, plodding and marginally successful without a change (but with the hard-working Markov).

    Therrien has them playing exciting hockey. They may not come close to matching the talent of past Habs teams, but they are doing their best to play like some of them. I don’t know how long they can sustain it, but hats off to the new coach for trying to play real hockey.

    When you see a team like the Devils, with all the success they’ve had, you still see a boring history of success. I’ll take a team that fails with its guitars feeding back over one that succeeds with bored but skilled session players standing around chewing gum. Martin was working to give us a wedding band.

    The Habs are crashing about trying to score. Under JM, they would have been lining up along the blue line to shake hands with the Devils who were going in to score on them. Turtling was a strategy and the players played like it depressed them.

    Four games in. Optimism. Yeah, I know. But I have enjoyed these past three games more than I enjoyed all of last season. Markov could have saved the uncreative and burned out pair running the Habs early last year, and for that, there was one good thing in his absence.

    I can see glimmers of different hockey here. The days when we depended on a Kovalev or a PK to entertain in the face of defeats could be in the rear view mirror. Maybe. PK can come back and not be let loose to please the crowd, and could get to work becoming a smart hockey player who plays as part of a smart team.

    Admittedly, compared to Martin for offensive strategies, Therrien does have the benefit of a lot of gall.

    • JF says:

      Agree about the hockey. It’s much more exciting than last year. It’s also fun to look at the standings and see the Habs in a playoff position – something that happened for all of one afternoon last year. (We won an afternoon game against the Kings in early December, which put us in eighth place until the evening games were played.)

      I also like that Therrien is giving the kids lots of ice time and doesn’t punish mistakes with an immediate benching. JM would have had Galchenyuk on the bench after his third-period penalty last night.

      • twilighthours says:

        It is fun to watch this year. A big part of it is the exciting kid line. And a 4th line that actually forechecks. The team also seems better in its own zone, but there’s still plenty of time for that to turn into a circus.

  50. JF says:

    That game is a better measuring stick for where the Habs are at as a team than any of the previous three. We got off to a great start, but the Devils did not really show up until the second period. That team has an absolutely ferocious forecheck, and for most of the period the Habs were on their heels. We have a ways to go, but I loved the fact that we kept battling back, something that almost certainly would not have happened last year. I was thinking before the game that an OT loss would be an acceptable result, so the win was very sweet.

    I thought both Eller and Weber were OK in the circumstances – Eller playing with new linemates, Weber playing his first game. I’d wait a while before saying either is done; and, in Weber’s case, I wouldn’t make a decision about trading him until PK is signed. It’s early in the season; two weeks into last season we were short of bodies at just about every position.

    I’m glad to see some posters publicly eating crow about both Markov and Therrien. I was pretty confident we’d get the real Markov back, and I liked the Therrien hiring right from the beginning. He’s obviously learned from his early years as a coach; the passion and fire are still there, but under much better control, and you have only to look at the faces on the blench to know the guys are enjoying playing for him.

    Anyone watching 24CH? What stood out most for me was when Marc Bergevin told the team, “Losers find excuses, winners find solutions.” It really feels as though Geoff Molson and his new management team are on the right path.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Eller needs to find some confidence. I hope MT and him keep the communication wide open and that MT works with him. These next few weeks are the time to assess if Eller truly fits longterm with this team or not.

      I look forward to when TSN2 starts showing the 24CH program, sounds pretty good, I really should have taken my french classes in school much more seriously. :)

    • Marc10 says:

      I thought Therrien would be good the second time around and believed he was the best candidate available, but I’m positively shocked at the results thus far.

      All I can say is… Keep it up! I’m loving the effort. This team battles!

  51. The Cat says:

    My goodness, what has happened to the habs, theyre playing like they want to win, it’ll take a bit of getting used to…

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  52. SlovakHab says:

    There is 14 years gap between Markov and Bealieu. If he ever becomes a #1 defenceman, it will take time.
    Subban is close to one already, and in his young age plays heavy minutes and can take the top competition.

    Trading him makes no sense, we have positions nicely filled up front but only 5 trustworthy defencemen (Markov, Emelin, Gorges, Diaz and Cube).

    Sign Subban already!

  53. rhino514 says:

    Markov is indeed back. No disrespect to PK Subban, but very few players in the league are capable of quarterbacking a power play. Subban isn´t one these players. Markov is.
    I still say that getting 96 points out of the team without Markov two years ago was a great coaching feat by JM; I still have no idea how he did it. He himself has stated it is the thing he is most proud of as he looks back. There is a time and a place for every coach.
    True about the fact that had Markov not been injured we might still have Gauthier and JM. But we´d also not have Kaberle. Ouch does that acquisition look worse with every game.

    And I am still not sold on the Bourque for Cammy swap. Then again we wouldn´t have Galchenyuk so it all worked out.

    Kudos for Therrien for getting the effort out of Bourque, but looks to me he must get most of his goals by crashing the net because boy does he have stone hands.

    Hope Max gets back soon because there is obviuosly no one to replace him on the LW.
    Didn´t think Webber was all that bad, saw him boxing people out ok, but I guess if Boone says so…

  54. bigjames says:

    interesting article/speculation on the Subban situation here:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/188405451.html

    and comments below by philly fans very interesting toward PK. wonder if they are desperate enough to give up couturier….

    anyway we find out later today….

    • Habitforming says:

      Thats interesting, but Couturier will be a RFA next year so back to square 1. So who would be the odd man out if Couturier was on the roster? He’s too good to take a role on the 3rd or 4th line, not to mention it doesn’t do any favours to Galchenyuk and Gallagher’s ice time.

      If Subban is moved, I’d rather it be for another top end Dman than a forward at the moment.

    • Habitforming says:

      This was the best reply on that article… made me giggle a bit.

      “The guy turned down a contract offer from Montreal yesterday believed to be in the neighborhood of 5 years/$26 mil. Somebody please tell me how the Flyers would be able to sign him at that price? — fightins4ever “

    • rhino514 says:

      Couturier seems like he´s gonna be good, but he ain´t gonna be as much of an impact player as Subban. Subban is a dman who can play half a game and shut down opposing star players, which means that even if he doesn´t develop to his full potential offensively, he´s STILL going to be uber-important on a team.
      I´m not against tyrading Subban if things don´t resolve, but they need more.

  55. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    Just watched the game on PVR after an evening of trying to avoid the score. Love it. I plead guilty of forgetting how good Markov was/is. #81 was invisible. Not comfortable on the wing? just not that good? I’m just going to be pacifist and hope the situation works out. The kids look great and not out of place,being managed well. Prust gets well deserved goal,great patience by Chucky. Rolling 4 lines that can compete?O.o i’m giddy. I still hope Subban comes back,think it would be the perfect missing cog paired with Gorges and on second wave PP. Bye,bye Kraperle.

  56. Marc10 says:

    Man did Marky lay it all out on the line when he went deep in the zone for a second rush. I’m glad he scored. The General is having one awesome start to the season.

    Props to the coaching staff and the players. Most were ready and they’re coaching/playing like it. I’m really enjoying the post-opener games so far. We’re winning and we deserve to win. On ya Habs!

  57. AceMagnum says:

    Galchenyuk should be wearing number 94!!! Give Pacioretty 27

    And Desharnais and Bouillon should switch numbers!

    Now offer Subban $8 for 2 years plus the honor of wearing a single digit number 6

    Then we got ourselves a team!

  58. VancouverHab says:

    Yes, I truly — in all honesty–don’t get this either:

    “Cmon, did you really say credit Desharnais. What is it about him that people are so hesitant to criticize his game. He’s been flat out brutal….DD has been soft, struggled to create and doesn’t have the speed to make up for it. Eller deserves his shot at Center.”

    There is no good explanation for why Desharnais daily gets a warm wet tongue-bath from journalists & fans in Montreal. He is just not anywhere *near* a first line centre: no WAY he has more potentiality than Eller. And when he sucks — ‘oh look: the wee lad won a faceoff’.

    Even I’d look good playing with Cole and Patches…. ;–)

    • Marc10 says:

      “There is no good explanation for why Desharnais daily gets a warm wet tongue-bath from journalists & fans in Montreal.”

      That explanation would be ‘last season’. Maybe you didn’t notice. He was our best center by far.

      As I recall you were busy pumping Gomer’s tyres before he crapped the bed. Care to revisit that sorry chapter? Didn’t think so…

      As to your boy Eller, we pretty much all see the potential. It’s there. But we don’t see it very often. Other than one amazing game last year, he’s done very little. He had his chance tonight and was eventually replaced by Moen. That’s the same Travis Moen that’s been average at best since the beginning of the year.

      Lars is going to get three solid weeks of playing time with Patches out. If he can’t get into gear, I think we can all agree it will be his to own. Pretty much everyone else is contributing. And yes, ‘the wee lad’ won the faceoff that mattered.

      • VancouverHab says:

        “Last season” DD was like this season — not that good, and coddled like a newborn baby in his assignments.

        And since you bring up Gomez, give Gomez Cole and Patches as stable linemates, and give DD a revolving door of stonehands 3rd & 4th liners and then see where we are.

        • Marc10 says:

          LOL. I was offering you a golden opportunity to take a mulligan and you double down on Gomer.

          I was listening to Dany Dube on 98.5, the best hockey analyst covering the Habs, and his feeling was that if Eller didn’t work on the top line as he’s uncomfortable on the wing, the solution might be to move up Chucky and play Eller with Gally and Prust.

          That’s a tough one as you don’t want to mess with a winning formula (and the team is winning and playing very well despite its top line not firing…) But after seeing Chucky explode out on the wing and feed Gally to blow one past the Hall of Famer, I’m thinking that could work.

          Gally and Prust are totally dialled in. They might be Eller’s best chance to find his game.

  59. Habitant in Surrey says:

    “When he was hired as coach Todd McLellan’s right-hand man in San Jose last summer, Larry Robinson told people he had absolutely no interest in being a head coach again.

    But there was one caveat: If the Montreal Canadiens ever called … ”

    JIM MATHESON, POSTMEDIA NEWS: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Robinson+toyed+with+idea+Habs/7880005/story.html#ixzz2JFdN9gXG

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  60. Stevie.Ray says:

    The way to have a team that is a contender is to have valuable assets.
    There are three ways to get assets: draft, trade, sign.
    We don’t want to trade because then we are losing assets at the same time.
    Signing assets works, but they are usually overpriced.
    So drafting is the easiest and cheapest way to gain assets.
    Last year and this year are very important for the future of Montreal as we have draft picks, young assets developing, and a handful of veterans that will be retiring within a couple years.
    Last draft we made out like bandits with Gally, Bozon, Hudon, and Collberg (the others are ok too), and this next draft we have 4 picks in the top 60.
    Having a lot of talented youth work their way onto the team at the same time is important because you can create a team of high contributing players for a low cost.

    So essentially what I’m getting to is that if we can pick up a couple more draft picks this summer (or at least not lose any), then we are sitting pretty in a couple years.

    • tagomagotexas says:

      the issue is not about retaining high draft picks or maintaining the quality of them (with MB/TT i trust that we will on both fronts), but in providing the right environment for these players to develop properly. that’s also connected in many ways to signing and trading for players who are not just high performers, but also character players who provide leadership and translate their skills in the room – markov and komi a great example.

  61. Seps says:

    From what I’ve seen so far, and with Ellis, St-Denis, Tinordi and Beaulieu in the minors, maybe trading PK isn’t a bad thing as long as it’s for a top end forward, where we definitely need more talent. There’s a perfect spot where Rene’s playing and the first line could always be jumbled with. Maybe trade him to the Blues for a guy like Schwartz

    • chanchilla says:

      i can see where you’re coming from, but none of these guys are anywhere near pk skill wise, even f beaulieu has the potential to be close, i think pk will be better in his career.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      As has been mentioned by many previously, PK’s development has been astronomical. No way you trade someone of his talent for anything less (which means that you probably won’t be able to find anyone offering the Habs fair value).

      • Seps says:

        Yeah I was having a tough time coming up with a team that needed a top end defender and had a sizable forward with top end talent to offer. I mean there’s Yakupov, because I doubt Edmonton would part with Hall or Eberle, they may part with Nuge but I doubt it. But I think Yakupov is too small (size wise) to give PK up for.

        • habfanacrossthed says:

          How about Kane or Dustin Brown. Could swindle Deslauriers from Kings.

          GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

          • Seps says:

            Deslauriers is kind of irrlevant, Kane as in Partick or Evander? Because no way Patty Kane is moving, especially because Chicago is pretty solid on the back-end. Brown maybe, but again it’s tough to take a Stanley Cup Champion captain.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            This may seem crazy, but I wouldn’t trade Subban for Dustin Brown.

  62. Xkhann says:

    Just a couple thoughts…

    If people think pk is not worth at least 4.75 million you need your head checked. Seriously. If you don’t want him signed for 5.5, just wait till you see what he’ll do (if your stupid wishes somehow come to fruition) on another team, you’ll sorely regret it. He’s probably up to 225lbs and skating as fast and hard as ever. I can only imagine how much he’ll learn playing with markov.

    • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

      Glad you aren’t the GM. Just let the players name their salary!

      And “he’s probably up to 225…. etc.” wth? Probably? Well, in that case…

    • chanchilla says:

      you’re not the gm, you’re not pk, there isnt a single person on this board who knows what was offered and what was wanted by pk…therefore not a single person on this board can make a judgement either for management or for pk. and that’s the cold hard truth.

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a heads-up for interested BC Habs Fans

    …Guy Lafleur here February 9th in Richmond playing in a Canucks’ alumni game

    …and February 10th signing autographs in mall in Langley

    …for addresses and hours, Google Lafleur’s itinerary online

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  64. SmartDog says:

    Consider this: what are the odds that without Markov but WITH PK, we win the last 3 games? The answer in my mind: zilch.

    I like PK – he’s a strong player, lots of energy and capable of being a top player on this team. But he’s not Markov. He’s not that player that can pick up the team and carry it to a win. On top of which he won’t play the minutes he did last year (when we came in 3 last in the league remember – cough -) He deserves 3.5 – 4 million – which I guess he is not being offered, but if he is asking more than that he is forgetting that while he has accomplished a lot, he did not lift the team higher than 3rd worst last year… and his track record is not long.

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    • The Jackal says:

      SmartDog, the dog years are showing.

      _________________________
      “PK Subban is an integral part of the team, a hard-working player who is extremely talented, and part of any bright future the Habs may strive for.” – Gunnery Captain Obvious & Brigadier General Knowledge.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      I wanted the Habs to sign Wiz instead of Markov 2 years ago. Not being one to hide from my posts last year Markov (due to injury and getting back to playing shape on the fly) the Wiz signing would have looked better. THis year Markov has started hot and the deal is paying dividends. This could be that there are people to protect him now. My biggest concern was allways him being one hit from retirement. If he stays healthy the deal was a good signing for the Habs management at the time.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

      • chanchilla says:

        im sorry, but damn, if you think that wizniewski is comparable to markov in any capacity you need to get your head checked, even markov playing half of a season would still be better than wiznieweski playing 82 games. And this coming from a fan that loved the white lightning.

    • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

      Smart Dog, I know you’ll be crucified, so I just want to say you’re absolutely right, Markov brings something that’s truly rare and intangible.
      I was trying to make this point on the liveblog page… apparently subban is ahead of markov in development because at 23 he played some games in the Q. Or so I am told. Never mind that his NHL stats for that year were better than PKs last year.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      That’s why having BOTH on the team should get people very excited. Having two pairings with Dmen with excellent offensive capabilities AND able to get the puck out of the zone will be a huge boon.

      Markov with his intelligence, and PK with his sheer strength.

  65. FunkyCrabChairNF says:

    Here’s an idea: since there’s so many Subban financial advisers on here, how about you do the work pro bono, Meehan gets the ax, and Subban’s savings go to cover some of the difference in negotiations…

  66. Castor says:

    Don’t worry about Cole guys. He started slowly last year too.

  67. habfanacrossthed says:

    It’s official Galchenyuk is staying with the big club! PK you’ve sign your ticket goodbye. It’s sad to say, but he will sign an offer sheet soon or will be dealt. PK can have his agent say the offer is insulting all he wants, quit being selfish and sign a bridge deal. Let the Habs have some wiggle room under the cap, play your ass off for the team. Then in January get your extension. MT has this team playing efficient so far. Cole still hasn’t been impressive.

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Why is P.K selfish for not signing the deal, but the organization is not selfish for not offering him what he is worth?

      • habfanacrossthed says:

        Selfish for thinking he’s better then he is, Go re-read the Stubbs article with him. It’s all I and me, nothing to do with the team. Really though the team should offer maybe 3 years 2.5, 2.75, 3 mill deal. Or two years 2.5, 3 mill max.

        GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  68. Sportfan says:

    Loved hearing the Bouillion chants this game! And like Boone said Markov makes any D partner look good and that makes me think that when Subban signs he won’t be partnering with Markov, but probably with Gorges, just because of how well Emelin and Markov are playing either way can’t wait for Tuesdays game !

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  69. Habilis says:

    So, at what point does Meehan take a hard look at the Habs and realize that his client is missing out on some serious point accumulation here? Points that would really help in a negotiation, say, a year and a half from now, or sooner? Because PK’s window to play with Markov on the PP is slowly closing with every game that Diaz plays.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      If the reports are true and MTL has offered PK a 5.1 over 2 years that’s a slap in the face to PK in all honesty.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • Habilis says:

        I can see your point, but the one thing to remember here is that this is the only time in PK’s career where the Habs hold all the leverage. They’re just using it while they can. PK’s only options are to take what is offered, or sit. At this stage of his development, sitting hurts him just as much as the Habs.

        Plus, MB has shown a willingness to negotiate contracts in the years prior to their expiry (Patches). Meaning that if PK had just taken whatever and then played the season the way PK can, he’d probably have received his payday.

        Don’t get me wrong here, I love PK and I wish MB would have offered him 8 years, but the Habs obviously don’t agree. And if you look at it from a standpoint of a business negotiation, it makes sense.

      • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

        Salaries are going down by necessity. I agree Bergevin has to increase that number, but not by more than a million per season. If Subban camp is looking for 5 mil per, they’re in for an awakening.

      • HardHabits says:

        Obviously not a hard enough slap. I think PK needs to be bent over somebody’s knee and have his ass slapped a few times just for good measure.

        • Clay says:

          Yeah, but you’re a hard ass :)

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          ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

    • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

      Agreed. Honestly, I’d say Diaz has already earned his right to that spot and Subban would have to win it back while starting with the 2nd wave unit.
      Frankly, I am sick of his holding out. I get it, he doesn’t want to be taken for granted, but once the season has started, and you are an RFA, it does start to appear that the money is top priority above where you play.

  70. Steeltown Hab says:

    Cmon, did you really say credit Desharnais. What is it about him that people are so hesitant to criticize his game. He’s been flat out brutal, and Eller playing LW (we’ve been down that road) gets the demotion again.

    MT EVERYONE should be accountable for their performance. No excuses, DD has been soft, struggled to create and doesn’t have the speed to make up for it. Eller deserves his shot at Center.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  71. FunkyCrabChairNF says:

    I for one like Weber. He’s weak defensively but fairly skilled offensively. He has performed well in the playoffs (in ’09 I think he was our only guy out there trying).
    But yes, he looked awkward tonight. I still don’t feel the need to get rid of him. It was his first game, and remember, he’s used to playing forward.
    Id rather have him as a 7th D-man when and if Subban returns than Kaberle. Send his ass down to the AHL.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      I like underrated grit Weber brings, still want to see what he can do given more games. We need PK back no doubt about it. Diaz has way too many giveaways tn. He’s a good 5-6 and PP specialist, that’s about it though which is fine.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

        Diaz and Weber are similar in skillset. Not surprisingly, they are also like Streit, all Swiss players. You know what you’re getting.
        I’d prefer to have Subban signed, but if things go south and a trade results, I’d advocate for a big, violent Dman as part of the return rather than a forward. Personally, I’d go for 1st, followed by a 2nd or 3rd, and Peckham from Edmonton.

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          Not enough and absolutely in no way does PK get dealt.

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          Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

          • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

            Well we may not WANT him to get dealt, but the reality is its possible. And you’re not getting two 1st rounders and a roster player for P.K. Subban. If that was offered, and you have any faith in your scouting department, it should be taken without question.

  72. Habilis says:

    Solid as always Boone. Cheers to you sir.

  73. FunkyCrabChairNF says:

    @twilight, not grasping and not new here, not that it should matter. Little secret: there are people who watch hockey and even read this site who don’t jabber all the time.

  74. otter649 says:

    TSN690 your source for logical Habs Talk ?

  75. habsfan80 says:

    Boom… 1st

  76. Stevie.Ray says:

    He’s fun to watch when he has the puck. His stickhandling is so smooth and his passes look like they just explode off his stick.


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