About last night …

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An early season math problem:
If PP-P.K.=5g, how many $$$ for the MIA D?
For the second consecutive game, the Canadiens power play scored goals in 5-on-3 and 5-on-4 situations.
In neither case – nor during any of the man advantages that did not produce goals – was P.K. Subban notable by his absence.
It’s only three games.
But your Montreal Canadiens are doing just fine without their holdout.

For now – and maybe for a while – the pressure is off rookie general manager Marc Bergevin.

Public opinion in Montreal has turned against Subban – largely because the Canadiens are playing solid team hockey under a coach who has done a superb job, so far, of fine-tuning his team.

Example: In the season-opening loss to the Leafs, Tomas Kaberle played 20 minutes, including 6:25 on a power-play that was ineffectual. Against Washington, Kaberle’s ToI was 14:40. His time with a man-advantage was 3:55, and Kaberle was not on for power-play goals scored by Tomas Plekanec and Andrei Markov.

One game was enough for Therrien to realize that Markov and Kaberle were not working as a point combination on the power-play. Enter Raphael Diaz, who came to camp as the Canadiens’ sixth defenceman … and the Swiss sophomore would have been seventh on the depth chart if Subban had showed up.

Diaz played 14:49 against Toronto, 18:06 in the win over Florida and 20:28 against the Capitals. His steady performance at the point and ability to deliver accurate shots toward the net have freed up Markov to become the kind of power-play weapon he was before his knee surgeries. On L’Antichambre, Mario Tremblay compared Diaz to Brian Rafalski.

So credit Therrien 2.0 with running a fluid meritocracy in which ability and hard work are rewarded with ice time.

It took the coach two periods against Toronto to realize that Alex Galchenyuk was not the ideal left winger on the Plekanec-Gionta line. Enter Rene Bourque, whose physical presence and non-stop motor (the latter is something we didn’t see last season) have turned the trio into the team’s best line.

It’s early, but I sense the players are buying into the Therrien system. The Canadiens look happy, cohesive and confident – in contrast to a year ago, when injuries, blown leads and a ceaseless off-ice Gong Show sapped the team’s morale.

A new season – and a revival of the Markov of old – has brought improved special teams. And the 2013 campaign  was two games and almost 58 minutes of a third before the Canadiens surrendered an even-strength goal.

Carey Price was superb again with 30 saves against the Caps. He is being well protected by six defencemen who hit, block shots, clear the zone efficiently and  regularly join the rush.

Markov has been a revelation and Diaz a surprise, but the Canadiens are also getting superb work from Josh Gorges (10 blocked shots through three games), Francis Bouillon and Alexei Emelin, who is blossoming in his pairing with Markov.

Now if P.K. signs  …

That would send Kaberle to the pressbox, where he can keep Lars Eller company.

When New Jersey visits the Bell Centre on Sunday, I wonder if Therrien will be tempted to bring Eller back, sticking him on the fourth line while Ryan White takes an evening off from residency in the penalty box.  If you want to nit-pick at what we’ve seen in two wins, White’s penalties have not been wise and might prove costly against teams more dangerous than Florida and Washington.

Man, the Caps are a mess. Winless in three starts, a woeful D corps, Alex Ovechkin looking lost. We should have known something, apart from Republicans, was rotten in Washington when Dale Hunter decided he preferred London …. Ontario.

The Canadiens lost all four games to the Caps a year ago. They were shut out twice and scored a grand total of three goals.

This season’s Habs pumped four past Michal Neuvirth in 15 minutes. And this despite a top line that is off to a slow start.

David Desharnais, Erik Cole and Max Pacioretty carried the Canadiens last season. It’s early, but they are overdue for a breakout game.

If the lethargy persists, Therrien the tinkerer may be tempted to switch Pacioretty and Bourque, mainly as a way to get Max-Pac off the schneid.

The coach has another decision to make on his third line. Brandon Prust has been terrific, and I like the way he jumped on Matt Hendricks. Brendan Gallagher should be around for a while, but the Canadiens have two more games before they have to make a decision on Alex Galchenyuk.

I think the kid is a can’t miss prospect, and we’ve seen flashes of the talent that’s going to make him a star. But Galchenyuk played 12:33 in Washington. He may need more ToI to develop.

On the other hand, the kid has logged more minutes this season than that guy sitting at home in Toronto.

843 Comments

  1. naweed235 says:

    anybody knows where I can watch that Galchenyuk clip from when Therrien tells him he made the team? It’s a 24CH piece

  2. Habfan17 says:

    I like Subban and hope he is with the Habs for a long time. Where he loses me with his logic, if he in fact is asking for 5 to 6 million for 5 years. He says he has accomplished a lot. I disagree, he has progressed very well but has not shown he can win a game on his own or control a game consitently. He was never considered for rookie of the year, and he wasn’t even mentioned as a candidate for the Norris last season Karlsson did win the award, he minds his place and shows respect for the system, and with a Norris in hand, he took a deal that will allow the Senators to build a solid team that should be able to compete for the cup. He signed for 5 million the first year, 5.5 in the second year, then 6.5 and finally 7 million. The Sens were supposed to suck last season as they were rebuilding.

    The same guys that complained the owners were at fault for the lockou for giving out rediculous contracts are using those same contracts to prove Subban is worth that much money. Another point is that those contracts were given out under the old CBA and now will probably cause the teams that gave them out to make some tough player choices in the next couple of seasons.

    So, if Subban means what he says about wanting to be a Hab for a long time and he wants to win the cup with the Habs, then take a 2 year deal at 3.5 million/season and show everyone that he is a team first guy and is worth the money. If he does this, he will be extremeley well compensated at a time that the Habs will be able to afford the contract. In the mean time, he won’t be eating out of garbage cans or working a summer job.

    Subban, it is time to forget about the off ice distractions and being in the media and to concentrate on being the consumate professional and taking your place among the elite defencemen.

    Habfan17

    • HardHabits says:

      I totally agree with you.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thank you and thanks for not mentioning my typos!

        Habfan17

        • HardHabits says:

          I can over look a few typos if the comment is well thought out and written. You presented your argument well, with premises and a conclusion. You used paragraph structure properly. Your comment was legible and understandable.

          I only rail into people who deserve it. I also praise those that deserve it.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Thanks for the positive critic. I am not a writer by trade, but I try to ensure the facts support my opinion. There are other ways to peel the onion, mine is only one!

            Habfan17

  3. HardHabits says:

    Back off Soobie-doo
    I said, back off Soobie-doo
    I said, back off Soobie-doo, boo.

    Back of Soobie-doo,
    Who you think yer gonna screw?
    You might got some flash but you sure ain’t that smart.

    Wake up, meat head,
    Don’t pretend that you’re the best,
    Be yourself but show us some heart.

    Get yourself together now
    And don’t do something hasty.
    Ev’rything you try to do,
    You know it gets lambasted.

    Back off Soobie-doo
    I said, back off Soobie-doo
    I said, back off Soobie-doo, boo

    You think you’re so smooth,
    But you got more to improve
    The way you talks you just aint no prize.

    Back off Soobie-doo
    I said, back off Soobie-doo,
    Come on, back off Soobie-doo, boo.

    Get yourself together now
    And don’t do something hasty.
    Ev’rything you try to do,
    You know it gets lambasted.

    Back of Soobie-doo,
    Who you think yer gonna screw?
    You might got some flash but you sure ain’t that smart.

  4. Psycho29 says:

    In case it hasn’t been posted elsewhere; Evander Kane got an interesting haircut :

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/25/evander-kane-shaved-ymcmb-into-his-hair/

    • Habilis says:

      And people complain about PK’s off-ice behaviour. I can’t remember one picture of PK being a moron in Vegas. I also can’t remember a single time that he shaved a record label (seriously?) into his head.

      Kane is a ticking time bomb.

      • Strummer says:

        It was one picture!
        It was on facebook.
        Nothing to see here folks.
        Move along.

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  5. FunkyCrabChairNF says:

    PLEASE STOP with the French racism and bigotry schtick. As someone posted below, French players get run through the mud more than anyone else by the Québec media. Hence why nearly everyone on here talks about how they do NOT want to play here. Maybe they don’t like his attitude or how he acts. Maybe you DO like his attitude and how he acts. Because they don’t like it and you do, and he is black doesn’t make them bigots. Frankly, I don’t like “showmanship” myself, but I like P.K. because he is a special talent. That said, sometimes he does annoy even me, and I’ve been a fan of his since he was drafted.

    On a related note, all I read in Canadian (anglo) media is how xenophobic and racist they Québecois are – anglophones, Muslims, Inuit, First Nations, black, you name it, they allegedly can’t stand them.
    Well, there’s racism everywhere, but I’ll tell ya, I’ve spent months at a time for going on four years now in Montréal and Québec City, and I’ve never heard a fraction (not really any for that matter) that I hear from the rest of your country. I am not stupid, I know it exists on their side too. But also remember once in a while to look in the mirror, re-evaluate yourselves, and consider if all the dramatics and baiting and internet-ball dangling do any good.
    Living in the US, I am well aware of the damage comments sections and social media can do to race and cultural relations. And I am reminded of that every time I got to the National Post or G&M website, read the bashing, and think to myself “If I were ‘pure laine’, I would have good reason to hate you.”

    And the only thing that breeds resentment more than the cowardly web wars of words is when one is ignorantly and wrongfully accused of being a bigot with no basis for it.

    • HabFab says:

      Everybody has some prejudice in them. Where or what who knows or cares until you allow it to effect your judgement then…

      • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

        I agree fully. But just casting it blindly on individuals to explain their motives for their opinions is both ignorant and harmful to whatever state of harmony we hope to reach.

        • HabFab says:

          Harmony is not always a popular state at HIO :)

          • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

            Very true. Unfortunately I’d have to admit that I have frequently waded into the ugly “Two Solitudes” Québec – ROC squabble, but I try to bring an outsider’s perspective.
            At the end of it all, the only thing I can say is that when I go to the areas like QCity with very few if any anglos in sight, I am treated well. In fact, my English makes me somewhat of a commodity there. I was studying at ULaval this past summer and francos would come up to me at the bus stop, the Plains, wherever and WANT to speak to me upon noticing I was not one of them. I think it also has something to do with being an anglo-American, though, to be honest. I have noticed a positive change in attitude once I inform someone that no, I am not from Toronto or NF, Ontario but New York, USA. Then at home, they too tell me the French hate us. Its all absurd.

    • Aerobiz says:

      FunkyCrabChairNF

      I have lived in Montreal all my life. I am an Anglophone.

      I can assure you that we face aggressive discrimination from a large portion (not all) of the Franco population in Quebec.

      This discrimination is championed and promoted by the Quebec government and has become disturbingly more rampant ever since the PQ took office.

      You may not have witnessed it personally during your time here, (count yourself lucky) but I assure you that it exists.

      I’m not looking to start a fight with you but there is a very reasonable and growing concern about what is happening to Anglo rights in this province.

      Claims of French racism towards Anglos and other minorities in this province are not allegations, they are facts and Canada is doing nothing to protect us. Nothing.

      Please know that I am NOT accusing all French Quebecers of being racist, but it is a large and growing majority.

      Its a scary time for an Anglo.

      I’m sorry to get political on a Hockey site but I had to respond to what you wrote because too many people are trying to push it under the rug and we really need some help before it goes too far.

      Peace. Go Habs Go.

      “The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.”- Randy Pausch

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        Been here for 90% of my life, have worked in French and English, in the east end, south shore, Monteregie and the west end. Have met racist francophones and racist anglophones, in fairly equal proportions. I hear more Anglos being racist, but since I’m a recognizable ‘one”, they are probably just more open around me than nervous racists in other communities are.
        I disagree with Aerobiz, and think he/she is dramatizing life in Quebec, and am perfectly happy living here. If I weren’t, I’d have gone elsewhere.
        I did for love and money for a while, in two other provinces, and I got mightily sick of the racism toward francophones. There are people who buy prepackaged opinions to sound aggrieved or controversial in every society.
        If you lump “Le baron”, a most narrow man, with the average French speaker in Montreal, you are lost and should point your nose west.
        I want a good Habs team.
        I will wager a lot of the people who are raging about the francophone media are getting translated versions of what they said. I work all day and heard no new stuff today, but last night’s Antichambre was basic hockey talk.

        • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

          Good to hear its not as dangerous for an anglo as they in the other parts of this newspaper. I’ve been studying French for a year and a half now, and hope to migrate to Quebec City myself. Believe it or not, there is a demand for English teachers!
          My outlook on it is, if I am going to live in a francophone ‘country’, province, nation, etc. then why not just speak French and save all the trouble? Unilingualism is one mark of my ‘ugly American’ brothers anyway.

      • FunkyCrabChairNF says:

        I can’t dispute what you as an individual see for yourself. I wouldn’t deny or doubt it. My main point, which was overly general but related to the P.K. issue, is that you should never make assumptions about ones motives. And when you do that based on THEIR ethnicity, its makes you not only appear as a bigot yourself, but stupid as well.

        As far as the Parti Québecois, I will say that I both volunteer and am employed in politics, and I study Québec politics pretty closely. While I am not a fan of trampling the way of life of the anglophone minority in this case specifically, I am also aware of a legitimate threat posed to particular cultures such as French (in both France and Canada) and English (in the UK) by multiculturalist policies. If it were not for a near-sighted and dangerous immigration policy (already damaging the EU and undoubtedly harmful to Canada in the future) I think Québecois, French, and Britons would not be so insecure to feel that they are being drowned in tidal wave of ‘others’.
        What I am trying to say is that it is my hypothesis that the native anglos in Québec are unduly paying a price for the actions of their forefathers and for irresponsible immigation trends. A nationalist backlash is only to be expected if we look at history and around the globe. Separatist movements are gaining ground all over the place – Scotland, Catalonia, Belgium, TEXAS (lol)…

        I’ll stop now and root for a Sabres loss…

        EDIT: IMMIGRATION not irrigation. Though maybe its interchangeable? That was bizarre.

  6. VancouverHab says:

    Okay, H/I-O commentors of long-standing.

    Remember two years back when Don Cherry and (allegedly) Scott Gomez criticised P.K. Subban for motor-mouth hot-dogging?

    They were !!RACISTS!! (TM)

    Well, all of the francophone media and 2/3 of you here are now more critical of Subban than either Cherry or Gomez were.

    So you’re racists now, right? Or, you and Jack Todd will now apologise to Cherry & Gomez, right?

    It’s one or the other….

  7. HabFab says:

    If you are a hater and wonder how PK got 200,000 followers on twitter;
    http://yalebulldogs.com/sports/w-hockey/2012-13/releases/20130125x49ckt

    • 44har48 says:

      Honestly, I don’t think any of us on here hate PK Subban and most, if not all of us, want him as a Montreal Canadien for many years to come. The challenge, is we can’t agree on his value or if the Habs should stick to the bridge contract methodology.

      It’s all about value and methodology, not about PK the person. He’s a great dude off the ice from what I can gather.

    • Mark C says:

      Nice to see PK help the white out the white way. ;)

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      With all due respect, the hater thing here is simple minded logic.
      I don’t hate Subban. I want him on the team with a cap hit that won’t keep the Habs mediocre.
      I think he is a player with potential.
      I think he is a seven goal scorer who, if he played smarter, could have 15.
      I don’t think he is emotionally ready to play smarter, yet. Play flashy, and the crowd cheers. He likes that. Who wouldn’t? Kovalev made a career of wasting his potential on showmanship.
      I think he overestimates his own importance.
      I think money and status are running deep in him – he must make more than others to validate something here. That’s common in all sports, but is a pain.
      I think the media are preparing us for a trade.
      I think PK wants a trade more than he wants a reasonable salary. He’d ditch his fans in a heartbeat. It’s business.
      I think the people who invent locker room crises are like high school drama queens.
      I think there are racists who hate the guy.
      I think there are racists who hate “The French” and who hate Bergevin for being “French”.
      I think an honest evaluation of what is going on here could easily convince someone PK was acting like an a-hole.

      Stop and debate this without involving culture. Forget your prejudices against “French guys” or “Blacks” and look objectively. The player (23 years old with little experience, too many penalties and potential) wants too much money for his stage of development, and the team has to deal with a salary cap. No cap, and I say give him his money. The habs could afford it. But with a cap, give him a long holiday or a ticket to hockey oblivion down south, and hope that Markov, a far better player, does not get hurt.

    • PeterD says:

      I love PK’s big heartedness and off ice involvement with this sort of stuff…remember the Haiti relief trip…great guy PK and great player…hold out PK and get a good value deal done. If not, I will cheer for you on another team where they recognize your value and worth.

  8. savethepuck says:

    Saw someone post that talks between Meehan and MB have broken up for the day and they will take the weekend to evaluate their positions. I wonder if today’s meeting went like this;

    MB: first of all this 25 to 30 minute time on ice argument is not going to wash. The reason he has played those minutes this early in his career is because Andrei Markov has been injured for most of it. He seems to be back now.

    Meehan:. We’ll have to get back to you.

    But seriously, I really hope the 2 sides can come to an agreement that is beneficial to both sides. Nobody can argue that we are a much better team with him.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • christophor says:

      The point is that Subban has already shown that he CAN be a 25-minute-man, and excellent defensively and offensively for those 25 minutes.

      Whether he’ll be used that way is irrelevant. If Markov was never injured, we might not know that Subban CAN take his place, when need be. But he WAS injured and we DO know.

      Edit: Besides this, even when he does get signed, it won’t take long for him to be our best defenceman. Markov is Markov and amazing, especially on the PP. But Subban is better defensively and he and Gorges will eventually eat up the tougher minutes.

      • joeybarrie says:

        and eventually PK will deserve what he is asking for… But not right now. tHe may be very good defensively but there are still a lot of holes in his game. He needs to fill them before he can get the kind of money he is asking for.

        • V says:

          What is he asking for?

          • Chuck says:

            What do these regular-season numbers suggest that he should be asking for?

            160 games, 21 goals, 55 assists, 76 points, 245 penalty minutes, and has a +2.

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            Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

        • christophor says:

          Who doesn’t have ways to improve? Anyway, I disagree that he’s not worth it now. I personally think PK is worth significantly more to the team than most here think. The odd gaff makes people think he’s got big problems in his game but numbers don’t lie: he was amazing defensively while facing some of the toughest opposition anyone in the league faced last year, and he still put up solid offensive numbers in spite of that.

          However, the whole point of the RFA-system is to ease into big paydays – i.e. players get paid somewhat less than what they’d fetch on the market when they’re RFAs. If PK is asking for what he’s really worth to the team (note the “if” – he could be asking for too much), then it’s hard for me to resent that. Still, if that’s the case (again, “if”), then I also find myself wishing that he’d recognize what RFA status is about.

      • savethepuck says:

        My post was not meant to be a knock on PK, I’m a huge fan of his. I watch every Hab game and think he’s an incredible talent. The thing is, that watching the hockey smarts of Markov the last 3 games has made me realize that PK is not our best DMan. I also admit that I don’t watch enough games of other teams to make honest comparisons with regards to how good PK is compared to other DMen. I have no problem admitting I’m extremely biased towards those who wear the Bleu, blanc et rouge . I have no problem giving PK his money, I’d rather he took the bridge and got his payday after the 2013-14 season because of the CAP implications tho.
        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

  9. Danno says:

    The RDS bunch are suggesting Markov is playing well because he can’t stand PK and wants to make a point. They are suggesting, based on nothing, that the whole team is having more fun playing together without PK.

    Why are they doing this?

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    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Les Canayens says:

      For ratings.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      Cause they’re ignorant and want to stir the pot even more. It’s going to get uglier the longer this situation goes on and the media feeds the flames.

      • Danno says:

        I wonder if they would be bad-mouthing him this way if his name was Pernell Laframboise?

        Just asking…

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        “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

        • Les Canayens says:

          It would be worse. Just ask Théodore, Latendresse, Lapierre, Ribeiro…

        • Kevy says:

          100% in agreement. they are looking for rating sand because he’s not French and not white he is a target.
          Also will Grapes condemn Yakupov for celebrating his goal?

          • Danno says:

            That Le Baron guy who was all over Subban for his “attitude” told everyone to give Yakupov a break for his on-ice celebration.

            Double standard?

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            “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

          • L Elle says:

            Le Baron is the worst a-hole on TV. That’s quite the honour as there are a lot of them.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      You know, a lot of these guys are very well connected. I have begun to wonder if while Sportsnet is delivering Meehan’s ultimatums, if RDS is preparing the fans for a trade. If we are mad at PK, it makes what may be a necessary move easier to swallow.
      I miss the seventies. The Habs were good and we could amuse ourselves trying to figure out what was going on in the Kremlin.

      And yeah, the old anglo franco cliche was due – I’m an old school anglo many generations bloke from Verdun and I think PK is handling himself badly. I think he should sign for 3 mill. He hasn’t got the experience or the track record to get what he is reported to want, and that’s the impasse I see. Latendresse, Dagenais – there have been swollen self esteem francophone players who had to go too.

    • 44har48 says:

      Wow. That is just wrong…

      It is blatently obvious to any of us who know what a puck is that Markov and Bourque are actually healthy right now, and as long as they continue to stay healthy, we should expect this level of play from them. Maybe not 48 goals by Markov…but ya know.

      I really don’t think many people are changing their routines or daily lives for PK Subban, especially professional hockey players, I could be wrong.

    • kempie says:

      Yeah because, if I was a multi-million dollar a year pro athlete, I’d never give 100%. I’d always keep a little something in the tank just in case I got really pissed off about something or wanted to make a point or make somebody look bad,

    • joeybarrie says:

      Why did I get into a fight (not literally) on the Metro with a guy from Quebec City on my way home from the game yesterday in my CH, HERE IN WASHINGTON DC???
      why didn’t I have any issue with any Cap fan… But from one who is supposed to be my countryman and we are both French Canadian…?

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      I would not recomend taking the group at RDS serious – they are in the entertainment business.

    • Propwash says:

      And people eat it up like crazy and now will use his statements as facts.

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  10. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    You know what? As bad as this sounds, I suspect PK will either:
    a) sit out for several more weeks
    b) be traded.

    I didn’t think it would come to this, but he is not as good as the money he is believed to want, and Bergevin has to work with the cap.
    Increasingly, I can see it being either Subban backing down (this is not just his agent) or the habs getting fresh blood from Colombus or some other godforsaken hockey hole. PK has a lot of talent and great potential, but I wouldn’t buy a jersey any time soon.

    Either way, the postings will get uuugly.

  11. F50Marco says:

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say if we can get Subban signed long term (6-8 years) i dont see 5-5.5 mil a year as that much of an over-payment. Over-payment for the first 2-3 yeah sure but after that at the rate he’s improving i think its a good deal.

    I think we’re too fixed on having to sign him to a bridge contract, sure a bridge contract at 2-3 for 3-4 mil looks about right but after that when he can become a UFA how much could he be worth? 6-7 mil on the open market?

    Yes he isn’t a top Dman in the league yet and technically according to how MTL deals with RFA contracts is to give them a 2 year deal but considering how good Subban makes this team right now and in the future, we shouldn’t be too concerned with with a bit of overpaying.

    Does signing PK for 6 years at 5.5/year really set us back that much? Assets can be moved out and around in order to stay under the cap for the future.

    Good Dmen don’t come around very often and good Dmen that also have upside and are young are even harder to find. He easily makes us a much better team. Just sign him already MB!

    • Habilis says:

      Not gonna happen. Don’t get me wrong, I agree and think PK should be signed for 8 years. But from everything I’m reading online, the Habs are just not willing to go beyond 2 or 3 years.

      Now granted, everyone could be wrong. But I think that if MB was ok with a long term deal, they would have worked something out by now. At this point, there has to be some sort of basic divide that can’t be bridged. Like term.

      • F50Marco says:

        So does that mean MB won’t budge from the 2-3 year deal and isn’t moving on the term either? That would be an unfair move from MB. A 2 year 3 mil per contract is underpayment IMO just as Del Zotto’s contract was underpayment was. DZ is banking on having 2 good years to prove he’s worth it, if PK plays worthy of the contract he’s asking for then isn’t it a good deal for both parties? Are we really afraid PK won’t be up to task in the coming years? Even on a bad Habs team last year put up decent numbers, imagine on an average team and then on a good team….

  12. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    If you were a street hockey captain and Gomer and Kabs were the last 2 players,who would you pick? I would have to go with Gomer,if anything for the jokes.

  13. Danno says:

    That twit they call Le Baron is just another PK-hating jerk from RDS

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    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • habsfan0 says:

      In fairness to Le Baron, he does have nice hair.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      The media just can’t let things play out. Only for the Habs do you have both the French and English media who – for the lack of things to write or talk about – start fermenting new ideas, rumours, controversy and chuck them out there as ‘strong possibilities’.

      It’s sad that the longer this thing goes on, the more the media will push Subban as a trade option until it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  14. habsgod says:

    I WAS THINKING THAT IF THIS SUBBAN SIGNING CONTINUES TO DRAG ON AND WE HAVE TO TRADE HIM I WAS WONDERING WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS OF THIS TRADE? WE TRADE PK SUBBAN TO THE PHOENIX COYOTES FOR KEITH YANDLE!

    THOUGHTS?

  15. Ozmodiar says:

    After PK signs, I think our D will look something like:

    The Iron Curtain / The General
    The Boss / Soobie-Doo
    The Cube / The Army Knife

    Leftovers:
    Over-cooked spaghetti (22)
    Vegetable Lasagna (68)

  16. Habilis says:

    Per twitter: PK negotiations over for now. No advancement. Sides will take the weekend to review their positions.

    Not good.

  17. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    It’s still early but love to see the hustle this squad has at the moment. After the last couple years i actually forgot it was fun to watch hockey. Pleks not getting worn ragged on the PK with Prust,White and Armstrong cushioning some minutes and seeing him chip in offensively is nice. If Pk is signed i’ll assume Kraperle is the odd man out. Maybe Detroit will take him for a signed Lidstrom jersey. I’d be willing to start a fund to help cover his salary,jars on convenience store counters and such.

  18. Chuck says:

    I miss this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhme_L-K_-U

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  19. jedimyrmidon says:

    Kinda random, but I didn’t know Yannick Weber could speak French.

    Also, I think Meehan is also Markov’s agent. Wouldn’t his play on the Habs thus far have some bearing on what PK can earn? Sure, Markov is coming off extensive rehab time, but he’s showing everyone how he played before his injuries while Subban isn’t at that same point contract-wise or ability-wise.

  20. habs_54321 says:

    interesting note that dominic moore and tom kostopoulous are still free agents I woulda thought those two could find a spot with a club especially moore with his faceoff skills, (im not saying habs should sign them)

  21. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    IF Galchenyuk sticks, something needs to happen at centre – keeping Eller in the press box or on the 4th line is useless.
    IF Subban signs, something needs to happen on D. Could we see some trading in the near future? Who moves?

  22. habs001 says:

    While the Habs played well yesterday for me it was pretty clear that the team needs another puck caring d like PK who can skate the puck out of the zone and join in on the rush….

    • helluva habs fan says:

      It seemed pretty clear to me yesterday that Kaberle is a liablity out there. I think Weber is due for a shot sometime soon. If only there was another defenceman out there we could insert instead… hehe.

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Montreal I think has benefitted from a nice schedule to start season. Having a day or more off between games has allowed them to be rested and work on things, new system etc..

    Will be interesting to see how they adapt when the schedule gets more compressed for them.

    • Bripro says:

      By then, hopefully their new system will be routine. If they can put together some wins and get their confidence soaring, who knows how far it’ll take them.
      Cheers to you Gerry. It’s time to go.
      Have a good one!

    • helluva habs fan says:

      That’s a very good point. Especially with a new coach, a new system, it’s a good opportunity for them to get off on the right foot. So far they’ve taken advantage of that opportunity.

      The guys in the pressbox should be working extra hard because once the schedule gets compressed, injuries will likely start happening and they’ll need to be up to speed.

  24. Habfan10912 says:

    Completely off topic but I thought we could use a little chuckle before dinner. On the radio this morning the host were interviewing Jerry “The King” Lawler of WWE fame. During the interview he mentioned that it was great to be in NY City and how he loves to do different things while visiting. He mentioned that he saw a Broadway Play last night. The host asked what play he saw. His answer? Mary Poppins. Of course that got a lot of laughs from the host but Lawler shut them up when he told them this. “Look. I’m 62 years old. She’s 25. Whatever play she wanted to see we were going to see. I’m not stupid! :)

    Let’s hope sometime tonight PK signs and tomorrow we’re left to talk about what a wonderful start of the season we’ve had so far. CHeers.

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  25. habsfan0 says:

    Toronto Mayor Rob Ford absolved of any wrongdoing by court decision.

    I have a hunch former Montreal Mayor Gerald Tremblay won’t be as lucky.

    What does this have to do with hockey?

    Not sure.

  26. BJ says:

    Survey on PK with 7,968 votes:
    5 m + per year 34%
    trade him 66%
    Source is Hockey Buzz ya, ya I know Eklund.

    • FlyAngler says:

      Looked like he figured he had enough of Orr in the second one. Of course he didn’t want any part of Laraque when the invitation was issued repeatedly hence his moniker.

  27. mrhabby says:

    PK..@ $5M per year / 13 paycheques from start to end of year = $384, 615.38…nice gig.

  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    Disappointed in Pat Hickey. Today he writes:

    Subban hurting his brand in contract dispute

    When the Canadiens were at the Bell Centre for an open scrimmage two days before the season opener, there were loud chants of “We want P.K.” The chants weren’t as loud for the opening game, and when the Canadiens beat Florida in Game 2, the only mention of the defenceman came from a group of frustrated fans who yelled “P.K. sucks.”

    How many fans yelled PK sucks? 4? 8? 12?

    How is that a sign that fans are turning against him?

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Subban+hurting+brand+contract+dispute/7873597/story.html#ixzz2J1ZehUpp


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Loonie says:

      And Hickey makes the assumption that Bergevin won’t blink. Also makes the assumption that it’s Montreal or nowhere else.

      Quite a lot of reality missing from that piece in my opinion.

    • Garbo says:

      Hickey’s articles are always to be taken with a grain of salt.

      I have never put much stock into what he says, and I don’t believe many do.

      Ever since he blamed Fleury for being complacent in his molestation, he lost any integrity he ever had.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Journalism = controversy and polarity otherwise it does not sell … or so “they” seem to think. Think Mark Twain.

      Hats off to those calm enough to remember Dryden sat out a year and those who refuse to vote on polls determining “whose side are you on?”

      There is only one side, for those paid to play and manage and those who love to watch, and that is the Habs’ side. The team side. The team is better off with Subban and here is hoping this microcosm of the lockout is resolved in short order.

      The man has a right to some self determination and to secure the contract and future that he wants. It is the team’s right, and business model, to offer him the the least possible to secure his services.

      Modern media is too much of a microscope.

      No player should be any more grateful to have the opportunity to sign an NHL contract than any Canadian should be to not have been born in Afghanistan or Lybia or Syria or … you get the point.

    • habsfan0 says:

      Hickey hasn’t been the same since his Quebec plated vehicle was sabotaged in the Wells Fargo Center parking lot during the Habs-Philadelphia playoff series 3 years ago.

  29. Loonie says:

    My apologies for continuing the PK commentary but I’m starting to think that Bergevin would welcome an offer sheet.

    Depending on the price it would almost force him to match and allow him to save face in terms of holding firm on the bridge contract philosophy.

    He could justify matching by saying that he didn’t want to give more than two years but didn’t want to lose the player.

    • Xsteve50 says:

      if he truly wanted that….it would have been arranged…..

    • Habilis says:

      I said the same thing about a week ago, and I still think it would be perfect for MB because of those reasons.

      However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that it simply won’t happen. The 29 other GMs know that MB will just match any offer, outside of something ridiculous. I just don’t see it happening.

      • Loonie says:

        Your last statement is an interesting one. They could put Bergevin in an financial bind if Subban were to agree to an offer sheet that is a long term deal with a high annual value.

        So while they may know that Bergevin can match any offer they make, they may still be inclined to let him have it on the balance sheet.

        • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

          If the Habs match an offer sheet, they wouldn’t be able to trade him this year, correct? Doesn’t stop them from trading him next year, or the year after. I think the Habs would match, as they would want some immediate return for Subban – a player who has demonstrated their worth vs. the potential of picks.

        • Habilis says:

          True, that could happen. Although the GM in question would have to weigh the pros and cons of that. Is the relatively minute chance of landing Subban really worth ruffling the Montreal Canadiens’ feathers? A team with basically unlimited funds and tons of cap room coming up in 2 years… Not a good enemy to have.

  30. Xsteve50 says:

    I think we can all agree PK is a talent and we want him on the team. but….and this is a big but….If the kid does not want to sign with MTL…do we really want him…like trying to hold onto that hot girlfriend..when she is fed up with you…..just not worth it…move on…

    • Propwash says:

      “It doesn’t matter how many times I step on the ice at the Bell Centre, I have the same feeling every time: my head’s ready to explode, I want to kill somebody cutting across the blue line and I want to score the goal and celebrate. And I’ll do it by any means possible to win a hockey game. That’s how I feel playing there. I’m not sure I’d have that feeling anywhere else.”

      I’m pretty sure he wants to sign here.

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  31. Sportfan says:

    I just said this near the bottom but for people who don’t want to scroll down to far. Who has a better chance of making the playoffs out of Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg?

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    • Loonie says:

      My money would be on Winnipeg. Play very well at home, excellent goaltending and filled some personnel holes in the off-season.

      Edmonton even with their skill have big holes on defense and in net and Calgary’s talent is lackluster to say the least. Kiprusoff will need a vezina quality season for them to get into the playoffs in my opinion.

      • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

        Jokinnen was a good signing – gives them 2 solid scoring lines. Kane seems to have his head on straight and has come to play. Byfuglien came to camp in shape. I think the Jets have the best shot. Next would be Edmonton, then Calgary.

      • commandant says:

        I’d say Edmonton.

        Re: Winnipeg, In a compressed schedule, that travel is gonna bite them in the butt. I also don’t think Pavelec is “great goaltending”

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    • Xsteve50 says:

      I think Winnipeg has a shot..but my heart goes with Edmonton. those kids could do some damage in a playoff run…

  32. HabFab says:

    So did Meehan and Bergevin actually talk today or was that just another rumor?

  33. joshua94k says:

    Can you imagine having both Andrei Markov and P.K. Subban on the same team….

    “I want to kill somebody cutting across the blue line and I want to score the goal and celebrate. And I’ll do it by any means possible to win a hockey game. That’s how I feel playing there (the Bell Centre). I am not sure I have that feeling anywhere else.” – PK Subban

    • Whatever says:

      I’ve been waiting for that for too long. I think Markov (as mentor) would be a great benefit for Subban’s maturation as a player and a professional. Take the bridge contract, watch and learn, then have a long, financially rewarding and very accomplished career.

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    He will be back, just a matter of time and understanding that he is a 23 year old, valuable to the club yes, but he is only part of 24 players making up the team roster.
    Bergevin will stand his ground I think.

    • New says:

      This young man would have to be very badly advised or ignoring the advice he is paying for. Holding out on a last place team is stupid unless you are directly after a trade. You have no negotiating position, none. The team flounders? It was last with you, no worse. The team wins? They are better without you. No matter how you look at it the team is better off without you. Dumb. Unless it isn’t money.

      PK is huge market. The Canadiens don’t need huge market. PK needs the Canadiens or another team for endorsements and money to roll in otherwise the market disappears and he’s an also ran on Sportsdesk.

      No he wants out.

  35. J_P says:

    Heres the thing with the PK situation, we dont really know where negotiations are. Personally, I like to believe that the habs aren’t lowballing him, but if the habs are they are at fault. However, if PK is expecting a contract similar to Drew Doughty (or anywhere near Drew Doughty money), he is off his rocker, and he’s at fault.

    If the habs are offering him $3M/yr over two years, they are in the wrong. If the habs are offering PK $5M/yr for two-years, PK is in the wrong.

    If 4 years and $20M (a deal I am assuming is middle ground on term and dollars) gets this deal done, it should be done already, but if PK is asking for more than that, and/or the habs are not willing to get to that, well they’re both not living in reality.

    The troubling trend here? Don Meehan. Loves the holdout. Its his favorite tactic.

    • I agree. I think Subban’s a great player, but not quite a superstar–yet. They’ve got to come to a middle ground.

      What I’m SICK of is being held hostage by the ‘business’ of hockey, when in reality the money differences are proportionally meaningless to both sides. If you’re negotiating to eat, pay your mortgage and car loan, then keep negotiating. If you’re going for 5 star restaurants, paying off the summer cottage, and can’t decide whether to take the jag or the beemer, then get over yourself. Play the game if you really want to. =/

      DDonais

  36. Mr. Biter says:

    Kings are also interested in PK. 1st tier player and a #1 pick in return.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  37. FlyAngler says:

    With Prust in the lineup it will be interesting to see how Marchand and Luchicken behave on February 6 at the Bell Centre.

  38. HardHabits says:

    If Subban wasn’t a visible minority person of coulour and was French Canadian people at HIO wouldn’t be so up in arms about these contract negotiations.

    Pot meet Stirrer. :-)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Stirrer meet dictionary – Colour not coulour :)

    • Nina76 says:

      I think HardHabits that is the most stupid thing to say. I was shocked to hear this on 690 from two callers, I cannot believe that we have race problem here. I hope that I do not read this on this site anymore. If PK wants to play with the Habs LIKE HE SAYS then I see no reason for him not to come to some kind of agreement with Marc B I like PK, sometimes a little mouthy, we have had enough with the lockout let’s play hockey DON’T BE GREEDY, you also are hurting your personality KEEP THE FAITH

  39. helluva habs fan says:

    Three games in and not one player on the team is a minus. Yahoo!

  40. HabFab says:

    See they haven’t traded that bum PK yet…unbelievable!!

    Oh by the way, PK just crossed the 200,000th mark in twitter followers cause nobody likes him.

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    Over 600 comments on About last Night Article! So far. And he is just getting started.

    The old Live Blogger leaves Henry and his hooka, just long enough to still bring it on HIO!

  42. The Dude says:

    Ahhh,remember not long ago when PK nailed Marchand…..or when he pissed off Pronger…hell ,when he pissed off everybody,dam I miss that :(

    • krob1000 says:

      I miss his crazy one handed spin aawy from guys..when he is the last man back…and he never loses it…if ever does he’ll be on the bench but his skill level is out of this world and he is strong enough to fend guys off with his other hand while he does it. How can you take a puck from a guy who even when you catch you can’t take the puck from….. Markov has never had that ability but PK will never have Markovs passing ability….thena gain very few have Markovs ability…just like very few have PK’s one on one ability and strength with the puck.

    • HardHabits says:

      I remember that pathetic fight with Marchand were Marchand almost kicked Subban’s ass. Subban does know how to throw a check. Not as hard or often as Emelin but he fights a bit better. :-P

      • HabFab says:

        Almost you say! Only 50 and already senile!

        • HardHabits says:

          More like Subban kicked his own ass by trying to wind up those haymakers and twisting himself all out of proportion when he tried to land a punch. Not unlike his massive and telegraphed wind-ups when waiting for a pass at the blue line.

          That’s why he deserves a bridge contract. Because he is Mr. Obvious. Mr. I can see you coming from a mile away. Mr. not so subtle.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          MY only problem with PK is if you talk the talk (ie yappy Lapy) you have to walk the walk and that means fighting not turtling. I don’t expect him to tangle with every challange (we now have others to do that) as he’s obviously not good at that aspect of the game. However if your constantly running your mouth off at other players sometimes you have to go. After clean body checks (which he does very well) skate away and wait for the retaliation penalty. But the yapping, that’s gotta stop. Goal celebrations don’t bother me by any team.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • The Jackal says:

            It does not mean fighting. That’s some BS notion propagated by dinosaurs like Don Cherry. Back up the talk with your on ice production, fighting in hockey is on its way out.

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      • Cal says:

        That was a slap fight that even little girls would have been ashamed of.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      PK will be back.

  43. jeffhabfan says:

    I really hope they sign P.K. this is getting foolish now. Great win last night we have a P.P. This year and that is a great thing. I like alot about the habs so far this year.

  44. helluva habs fan says:

    Agree with what Brunet said last night. Paraphrasing, but something along the lines of trading Subban is not an option, they would essentially have to trade PK Subban for PK Subban.

    Kaberle is hanging on by a thread out there and Weber is the next best alternative. St. Denis is the only one in Hamilton IMO who could handle fulltime NHL. What happens when someone gets hurt? Subban needs to sign.

  45. BJ says:

    On the topic of Galchenyuk staying in Montreal after his 5 game trial or going back to Sarnia. I’ve just counted that Sarnia has 20 more regular season games left after his 5 game trial. I don’t know how far they are expected to go in the playoffs, I’m just wondering if he is better not just staying and learning here rather than playing 20 more games + at junior level. Considering that he would surely be past a learning curve for another junior season next year and he is not eligible for the AHL next year either. Would he be better just to stay here on the third line and get used to the rigors of the NHL?

    • Mr. Biter says:

      One of the bad things about the lockout/strike is the 5 game trial. After 1st game I thought he was way out of his league but his performance in the last 2 games has been very impressive. Glad I don’t have to make the choice. Can he be recalled from Sarnia if say we have injury problems?

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

  46. Mattyleg says:

    With fans like this, who needs… opposing fans.

    Wonder how people out to tar and feather PK are going to feel when he signs and does well for the team?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  47. krob1000 says:

    Where was the HIO character police for Sergei K, Mikhail Grabovski, Ryan O’Byrne, Chris Higgins, Guillaume LAtendresse, etc…
    awesome double standard…many of the same people on here telling us we should not listen to the talking heads….had no problems referencing the alleged happenings pertaining to these players….hmmmmm
    reminds me of a captain who used to wear number 11 getting run out of town and constantly being blamed for the teams problems while one of the guys often said to be one of the most talented players ever floated and every once in a while showed glimpses of greatnesses…..got a damn protest when he left town…only as a HAb fan could life be this much fun

    • Loonie says:

      Latendresse was viewed by the majority as an out of shape player who refused to listen to coaches. Grabovski was young and immature and probably should have been given a sit down talking to instead of being moved. O’Byrne’s a purse snatcher, literally.

      The players you’ve mentioned actually had some fire to go with the smoke. PK doesn’t.

      • krob1000 says:

        says who? the same people who say PK is selfish? this is what I mean…how can you accept other peoples “mudslinging” re them but not PK?
        personally I think the Montreal microscope (all entertainment for that matter) reveals way too much and we shouldn’t be privy to any of this stuff…
        I am not sure if I am in the group you are referencing…but I enjoy PKs attitude and think he is one of those guys who needs to be on the edge to play his game…but that doesn;t mean I have to ignore what is said…and I know that a guy who has invested a half billion dollars in a team…that needs to be on the same page…would probably be considering this stuff to make sure there is no divide in the room..
        that atmosphere PK was brougt into was toxic…but the concerns appear to be real….from what we know …even if the truth is somewhere in the middle it cuased Montreal to run others out of town…now I have an issue with that..and will have an issue if it runs pk out of town too…I like his attitude (what I see of it) and he is the 2nd best dman on the team…and will likely be the best in a few years…but I don’t have to deny the stuff that is being said by people more in the know than us on here.

      • BJ says:

        O’Byrne saved a few players asses by doing what he did with the purse thing.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        “O’Byrne’s a purse snatcher, literally.”

        Riiight. He didn’t do it say to, help a teammate out?

        If you’re going to act enraged at some of the idiotic crap that’s been going around about PK, then don’t set a double standard by posting that same idiotic crap about O’Byrne without putting it into context.

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  48. pete says:

    sooo tierd of hearing pk dont really care he is a good player but full of him self. he was number one d beacuse of the injurys not saying he dont have talent but still has to prove it not one of those guys who get what they want and crap the bed. Also if he likes and wants to play here why not take a cap friendly contract like some of the other players have.Imo if we get him great if not we can get somthing good for him.Oh and not happy bout eller MT doing good for the club but dont agree that beacuse he dont like ellers play we wont use him

  49. mdp2011 says:

    For your enjoyment:

    ” @JoshRimerHockey: Hearing Flyers have contacted Montreal about PK Subban. Question is would MTL be willing to move him and for what package coming back?

    • shiram says:

      They were said to be looking for a winger to replace the injured Hartnell.
      Can’t patch every hole…

      • BJ says:

        Doesn’t Weber play the wing here?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The Flyers should be looking for defense because their D is horrible on paper right now. You look down the roster and their number one defenseman, Timonen, he’s 37-years-old and declining fast.

        There’s no Pronger anymore or Carle. Philly badly needs defensive help.

      • 24 Cups says:

        The Flyers signed Knuble a few days ago to replace Hartnell.

        There is no way that Montreal trades Subban to Philly. IF they did move him, it would have to be out west because he’s going to haunt the franchise for the next dozen years.

        Philly also can’t make Subban an offer sheet. If they did, then it would be open season on Giroux and Couturier. Force Philly to max out one of them and then swoop in and grab the other guy. Both come due at the same time (although they are different kinds of RFAs)

    • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

      No way the Habs trade him in the east, unless the offer is truly outrageous, and probably not even then

    • junyab says:

      I can see MTL entertaining an offer that included Couturier or Schenn. Not sure if Philly would have either of them available, but MTL would be off their rocker if they wouldn’t consider it.


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