About last night … with audio

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AUDIO: Randy Cunneyworth | Carey Price | Mike Cammalleri | Josh Gorges

Write this down and take it to the bank:
P.K. Subban and Lars Eller will be in uniform on Opening Night of the Canadiens’ 2012-13 season.
Randy Cunneyworth won’t be behind the bench.

Add one more fearless prediction: Pierre Gauthier won’t be the team’s general manager.

Christmas has come early for Jacques Martin. Fired last Saturday morning, Martin has spent the week watching his team plumb new depths of suckitude.

Hey, good thing the Canadiens don’t have to play that stifling Martin system. Freed of the shackles they endured under their former coach’s defensive system, the Canadiens have scored six goals in four games.

They’ve allowed 17.

With P.K. Subban eating hot dogs in the pressbox, Chris Campoli played 20 minutes. He was minus-3.

Hal Gill, Raphael Diaz, Tomas Kaberle and Yannick Weber took turns being embarrassed by the Jets, a bubble team that managed to lay a greater pasting on the Canadiens than the Cup-contending Bruins and Blackhawks did.

With Lars Eller a healthy scratch, Louis Leblanc played centre … and was one of the few forwards who distinguished himself – in only nine minutes of ice time.

The Canadiens best line – David Desahrnais, Erik Cole and Max Pacioretty – were on for three Winnipeg goals.

During a four-minute power play, the Canadiens had exactly one shot: a 100-footer by Campoli. The Jets’ penalty-killers had three shots on Carey Price.

In the RDS studio between periods, Denis Gauthier replayed an amazing sequence that exemplified the Canadiens’ ineptitude in their zone:

Kaberle trips over Diaz. Plekanec and Moen ineffectually wave, with one hand on their sticks, at the Jets forecheckers. Price’s stick gets loose and skitters off to the corner, where Diaz retrieves it … with a Jet unattended in front of the net.

Keystone Cops Meet The Aristocrats.

Pathetic.

On L’Antichambre, Gaston Therrien’s video clip showed Blake Wheeler steaming past Gill at the blue line with three Canadiens watching the action at a distance. Campoli moves over late, Wheeler scores.

“We’ve got young guys and have to address a few things,” Cunneyworth said after the game, explaining why he scratched Subban and Eller.

But what’s a lame-duck coach going to do with older guys who are underachieving?

Will Mike Cammalleri, Andrei Kostitsyn and Tomas Plekanec dress for the Dec. 27 visit to Ottawa?

Of course they will … if only because the team doesn’t have any healthy forwards to displace them. And the cupboard is bare in Hamilton.

At a certain point in the RDS telecast, Pierre Houde said the game would be the Canadiens’ last visit to Winnipeg this season.

This would seem to preclude – pause while everyone laughs till they piss themselves – a playoff match-up.

I have nothing to say about the game.

Y’all saw it. Your beloved hockey team did not compete, and they got their butts kicked.

That’s five losses in a row, matching the L streak that ensued after the Canadiens first visit to Winnipeg, a 5-1 win on Oct. 9.

Seems like a long time ago, eh?

So much has happened since: the ongoing Andrei Markov melodrama, injuries to Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta, the acquisition of Tomas Kaberle, the sacking of Martin, the language debacle …

And now three progressively more dispiriting losses under Cunneyworth.

Some stats Tweeted by Arpon Basu: 3 wins in 14 games, over that time outscored 45-31 (not counting SO “goals”), outshot avg. 31.9-26.1, PP 6-for-61, PK 45-for-52.

You’d have to go back to Guy Carbonneau’s fateful western road trip to find a time when things looked this bleak for the Canadiens.

What – shoirt of Bob Gainey parachuting down behind the bench again – can they do to turn this mess around?

Bag skate on Christmas Day?

Trade?

Would you trust Gauthier to make a deal?

I don’t think so … not after the general manager set up Cunneyworth to fail, thrusting him behind the bench for road games against the league’s two top teams.

No time to practice. No time to install a Cunneyworth System … if there is one.

Meanwhile, back in Montreal, enough political sewage hitting the ventilation system to ensure Geoff Molson has a brown Christmas.

The good news?

No Canadiens games till Tuesday.

I’m gonna have a beer and plan my 11th-hour Christmas shopping.

170 Comments

  1. calvee123 says:

    Well lets see… Seems like since Pat Roy left in a steaming pile of equipment, the Canadiens have gone sideways or even down hill. I think this is a curse and it won’t change until the Canadiens hire him back. I don’t believe in curses, but have no choice but to on this. I wish it wasn’t so, but believe it. This team has a lot of good parts and can be a contender, they just don’t believe in themseves. I also think that it is time to throw in the towel, lose more and more, get a good pick and start rebuilding this organization to the great organization it once was. Changes need to start at the top and be driven down. The Bob Gainey days are coming to a close soon. One only needs to look at Tampa Bay and where they are in the standings. Last year they were a really good team during the regular season, never went anywhere in the playoffs, and look this year, near the bottom. Don’t ever kid yourself, they are playing for a good draft choice once again. With all their tallent why are they not near the top of the Eastern Conference once again? They have a plan, its called “Mailling it In!” they will draft high and have a great team next year again. Montreal needs to do this too!

  2. dpeet says:

    Wow french coaches lets see below.a

    1.Jacques Demers regular season .548 playoffs .704
    2.Mario Tremblay , regular season .525 playoffs .273
    3.Alain Vignault, regular season .483 playoffs .400
    4.Michel Therrien ,regular season .500 playoffs .500
    5.Claude Julien ,regular season .531 playoffs .364
    6.Bob Gainey ,regular season .598 playoffs .333
    7.Guy Carbonneau, regular season .589 playoffs .417
    8.Bob Gainey again 2009,regular season .500 playoffs .000
    9.Jacques Martin , regular season .554 playoffs .462
    10.Randy Cunneyworth-regular season .000

    As you can tell the french coaches are not that great either, and for Bob Gainey bashing stats don,t lie, not too bad.

    Lets review it started with Patrick Roy trade and treatment from Mario. After that it,s been down hill from there. GM,s sad since Sam Pollock left , some harsh trades too , Patrick Roy, Eric Dejardins/ John Leclair Wow. The present Habs too small up the middle , puck moving defensemen limited, prelific scorer that can change game around, no one..Goalie thank goodness that have Price, only for him we may have only 6 wins..The whole habs organization has to be removed bring back Scotty Bowman and or one of his sons, then they may have a chance in future.Presently , no size, no grit, no confidence, get it back soon or the season may be over before the new year starts.

  3. shakey says:

    this team reminds of the oilers a few years ago, with the room divided between vets and young players, and the team in free fall, and overpriced vets like souray not playing.

    blowing it up was the way go for that team, and i think it’s the way to go for this team. just need to find the right gm – no easy task.

  4. habs4_25th says:

    We will be falling for a little while yet; players to keep, Price, PK, Georges, Leblanc. Trade everyone else away to get some kind of younger prospects and maybe some picks. Fire PG look at bringing in Larry Robinson. and I might take some slack but bring Carbo back to coach this team. His record was pretty good in the time he was here.

    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be it yours to hold high.”

  5. SmartDog says:

    Boone has a good point. Why fire Martin just before a road trip against some the NHL’s best teams, with no time to get in any practices. Pretty stupid really. I mean, if this is your job – if you are an expert at managing teams – you know all this, and this is a dumb call. PG is just not very good at his job.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • RetroMikey says:

      Don’t forget our special advisor to the GM, Bobby Gainey still in the picture.
      And yes Boone, Christmas is not the same without some good old Jack Daniels on the rocks. I think I’ll make it a double or wait, a triple to calm my ulcers after seeing our Habs heading in the future…nowhere …and those Maple Laffs slowly improving..
      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • solomio says:

        Right RM…I hear JD is real good for ulcers!!!

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  6. Benoitr says:

    The same ones that wanted JM fired….now look at the team.

  7. jonnyp says:

    Trade cammy now and get rid of gill mmmmm what else ? Fire that so called gm !! Hire patty Roy as new coach !!! Trade darche , weber, moen !!!

  8. bellcentre hotdog says:

    Bravo Mike Boone.

  9. RetroMikey says:

    If you think losing to the Bruins in round one blows,
    Look in the mirror and at least be happy you don’t have Brad Marchand’s nose.
    Despite the disappointment, there are many more negatives to see,
    That diagnosis was confirmed by Mark Recchi, MD.
    Carey Price answered his critics, and proved he still is one of the best goalies around,
    He’s saved our team from so many defeats, because with the rest of the team, they’re nowhere to be found.
    Up front we have Cammalleri, in the past he was on fire,
    But this season he and others don’t even perspire.
    Gionta was -6 in the playoffs, his lack of size overshadowed that he was once quick,
    If he only he could somehow become as tall as Hal Gill’s stick.
    David Desharnais has hands that leave defensemen confused and fans in awe,
    And yes he’s won more faceoffs than that overpaid Pleks,where DD didn’t get kicked out of the draw.
    Lars Eller still shows that he needs to season in the AHL that should no longer be a discussion,
    And the future at least is bright for Pacioretty, who is so skilled that he can fake a concussion.
    The biggest negative was Scott Gomez; a player who fans want to slaughter,
    He scores goals and puts up points like Zdeno Chara drinks water.
    The D featured PK Subban, who shoots and passes with such inaccurate precision,
    There is talk of sending him down, but critics says that is the wise decision.
    Markov has come a long way since his injured knee, he now plays table hockey from home and does great things with the puck,
    Although he may want to retire with his big fat contract , we Habs fans should tell him “hey, you suck”
    Campoli and Weber are often played on a weak D, which make it difficult to play,
    But they performed the best the best they could, and are no better than Kablerle, Gorges, or GIll, eh?
    The future seasons do not look promising, up the standings the Habs will not climb,
    Hopefully, in 5 years time they’ll learn how to win a playoff game in overtime.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Badwich says:

      Throw that 21″ Admiral away and start watching the games on a big flat screen. Subban’s passes are as accurate as any and Eller? You following the right sweater?

      Taberwitt

  10. ricardamundo says:

    If I’m around I’ll always PVR the game and start watching it about an hour after the start so I can fast forward through all the filler and ads. I had stuck with this team up until the Chicago game when I PVR’d it but fast forwarded through the game action and watched the ads and filler which was more entertaining. Last night, for the first time, I didn’t even bother to PVR the game at all. That was a great decision obviously.

    This team is done. Some good players have thrown in the towel, some marginal players try hard and worst of all, our so-called “best players” are turning into our worst players night after night (Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez et al). Yes, injuries have played a part but that’s just when the other guys are supposed to step up. But just how much can a plugger like Darche do? Desharnais is a workhorse (actually more like a pony) but he’s too small and being asked to do to much. Cole has been a positive surprise and looks like he’d do just about anything to win … the only guy right now with that attitude. How long before he packs it in too?

    To all those diehards who say stick with the team through thick and thin, I say we’ve reached the point when pulling the plug only makes sense. All we’ve got to look forward to is another rebuild. I’ve been a fan for 50 years and I’ve seen worse assemblages talent wise but I’ve never seen such incoherent play and such a lack of heart.

    This bunch is pathetic and an embarrassment to the uniform. I’ll check in here to see what they’re up to from time to time, but I’m not going to waste my time watching this team again until they can compete … I don’t expect wins every night but how about at least being competitive?

  11. ont fan says:

    Yes the Gainey experiment failed. The only problem about draft choices is the scouting system. You can blame the free agents way of doing things but we haven’t been world beaters at the draft table since before Wickenhiser. Look around. A few teams have done well but more have failed. Better start a clean sweep there first.

  12. Had to turn off the game after the abysmal 4 minute power-play(sic?). Cammaleri was worse than abysmal- he never competed for one puck, he gave it away over and over, he was a total liability out there. When the highest paid guy out there for the Habs shows so little commitment the team is lost. I used to think Brian Burke made a big mistake when he went after Kessel when he probably could have signed Cammy (same type of player, both goal scorers but Kessel cost 2 first rounders) but I have to admit I was wrong. Kessel is doing so well because he competes every night, Cammy has packed it in for us. Hey Cammy, do the right thing and either play or leave. We don’t need what you are showing out there.

    Ch EJ

  13. Jim Edson says:

    You have to appreciate the world according to Ilya Bryzgalov!

    “People say goalies are crazy, what about defense-men? The boss says block shots so they do and they don’t have any big protection on”!

    Guy is truly original!

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    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  14. Strummer says:

    It’s enough to make you want to disappear to Paris like I did back in ’82

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    • Jim Edson says:

      or Brisebois!

      While supposedly injured!

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      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  15. The Dude says:

    We need to grab Lou Lameriello…I here somewhere his contract is coming to an end. Jump Around Molson jump jump jump around…….

  16. VintageFan says:

    I hate to disagree about Subban, although the Habs would like to keep him around as a scapegoat. Any agent worth his salt would follow the lead of Kyle Turris, and get PK out of Mtl to a team where an offensive defenseman is allowed to play offense. Carey Price? The cost to keep him on a losing team is going to be enormous. After last night’s game, a Subban- and Price-less team is a nightmare scenario

  17. Jim Edson says:

    Wonder if Cammalleri, PK, and Price will represent Canada at the World Championships in April 2012?

    They should be free!

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    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  18. remi_10069 says:

    I thought Campoli would be “better” as at least he’s an NHL d-man but he’s a clown just like Weber and Diaz. Our D is terrible and everything starts from the back. No chance we’re going to beat anyone with any two of Diaz, Campoli or Weber playing, they just are not NHL caliber. We have 3-4 players who are worse than the worst player on any other team. Darche? Blunden? Give me a break. It’s just like a beer league, if you have too many s*&% players, you can’t win. Impossible and your good players start to give up. Gauthier needs to go immediately, new guy who can both coach and GM until a new coach is identified. Someone like Crawford would be nice. Make a couple of big 2 player trades for D men who are unhappy elsewhere and some big dudes. Terrible D who can’t do deleted and nobody to “protect” you, no wonder the fwds aren’t trying. Would you? Your “company” has you setup for failure. Anyone is available except Price and Cole

    pipes

  19. CranbrookEd says:

    As “The Cat” pointed out, Cunneyworth and Martin are both the same type of coach, so there was not going to be any major change(s) as to how the team is asked to play on the ice. What the ill-timed change has done is point out what was already obvious (to many, but apparently not to all), that a sizable group of veterans are only along for the ride (and considerable paycheck). The worst choice for coach would be Saint Patrick – there is a need for a GM who is in contact with the world – who ever the next coach is, needs to have a “system” that is not stuck in only one gear, it needs to adapt to situations as they arise . . . but that requires someone who themselves is adaptable.

    I am now reminded why I actually stopped seriously following Hockey for about a decade . . . and have only in the last year or so started to get back into the game . . . it is only a game played by guys who are so over compensated and treated like deities only because they have a talent to skate and chase a frozen piece of rubber – when they are motivated to do so . . . keeping this in perspective is important . . . for your own sanity . . . Merry Christmas!

    CranbrookEd
    Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . . What ever happened to Johnny Jelly-Bean!?

    • solomio says:

      Ed do you have any idea about the extreme athletic ability, stamina, strength, conditioning, coordination, determination, creativity, vision and 6th sense it takes to play in the NHL? Obviously not. These athletes are the best of the best and there are few people in the world as gifted as these players are.
      They sacrifice the best part of their lives honing their skills and competing at the highest levels in order to reach the summit of their profession and if they’re lucky their bodies will hold together for 10 to 12 years before they can no longer compete.
      Don’t begrudge the 4th liners their `1-2 million per year or the creme de la creme their 7-8 million a year. They are used as pawns in a game of business where a collective bargaining agreement allows them a small share in the hundreds of millions of dollars their bosses make..
      They do the time, pay their dues, suffer the slings and arrows and then they are no more. Like snowmen.
      If you can’t appreciate these players go back to what you were doing.

      “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  20. Jim Edson says:

    Francois Gagnon who seemed to be a reasonable voice among the Allo Police media has joined the rest who are pushing their own favorite son so they can have a source for the tabloid dirt they spew!

    Serge Savard as consigliere? 20 years removed from the game?

    He’s building condo’s not hockey dynasties!

    Stop the self-serving nonsense!

    ———————————————————————-
    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  21. HardHabits says:

    It will take at least three years just for this team to start being relevant again. Others have noted and I will reiterate, the Habs need a philosophy change. This team needs to start seeing itself as an expansion club with no connection to its once glorieux past.

    The torch that has been past over the decades has been ineptitude, irrelevance and mediocrity. There is little if any capacity for this club to be creative, either with regards to managerial decisions or with play on the ice.

    Julien and Carbo were both sacrificed in the name of quelling dissent and perpetuating blind adherence to outdated ideas.

    It will take not just 1 good tank for this team to get back to respectability in a few years but a few seasons in the basement and a complete rebuild via the draft.

    Then when the Habs have assets they can bargain from a position of strength and slowly build an NHL team rather than get fleeced as is their case.

    Lately the Habs management look like a crack head desperate enough to deleted Other teams are slinging ‘cane by comparison.

    • The Dude says:

      HH… you mean it should take three years if conditions are right,it starts with a number 1 G.M. and a Scouting Dept that looks and develops HOME TOWN HERO’S .

      • Jim Edson says:

        The heroes can come from anywhere as long as they perform like heroes!

        ———————————————————————-
        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

      • Benoitr says:

        Who cares where they come from, including coach and GM. That’s half the problem with this team, everybody telling them where to draft and hire. Concentrate on hockey, and not all the media and fan hysteria. I wish management would quit reading this site b/c it sure looks like they take half of their hairbrain ideas from it.

  22. Propwash says:

    I figured it’s Friday, the holidays are about to kick off, and I think today I’m going to mail it in at work.
    Clearly, the Habs are doing the same thing.

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    Being negative has its advantages,
    you’re never disappointed.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      +1.

      I’m leaning more towards they think they’re laid off like me, and don’t want to get “hurt at work” and have HRDC find out and have their benefits cut.

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      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  23. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    The problem with our rebuild(s) is we didn’t bring in proven winners. We brought in guys with “cup experience, but they weren’t the reasons their respective teams won cups, they were mostly the depth guys.

    Some of these clutch guys scored the odd goal on their teams run (Moen), but most were spare parts no matter where they’ve been (Gill, a PK specialist, Gomez and Gionta 1 trick (my little) ponies). We did not have the “almost there” core that those guys come in to compliment, we had “maybe they might be good enough if everything falls into place” guys. Even a guy like Cole, he didn’t win the cup with Carolina, I’m fairly certain that was the year he broke his neck and returned to play in the 7th game of the final.

    Bottom line is this team took a couple of cracks at having something fall into place and making a run, and maybe that was what we saw a couple springs ago. Now that gilded shine has faded and we’re left with an uncertain future after another rebuild.

    Even if we can trade players for picks they aren’t going to be in the lottery range, and I still think this team won’t fall so low as to get there on their own. PG should be blocked from making any more moves, let Cunneyworth ride this s#!7 storm out and high tail it to a place where he has a chance and bring in the right guys in the off season. Maybe a Ted Nolan and a David Poile? Or maybe somebody obscure and French? Who knows.
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    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • DearyLeary says:

      Those guys who win the Cup ‘singlehandedly’ don’t get to free agency. Teams lock their #1 draft picks up long term with golden handcuffs and they don’t get a sniff of free agency.

      Gionta, Gill, Cole, and Moen were all solid contributors to Cup wins, I defy anyone to say otherwise (aside from the fact that you just did).

      We need to trade off some older assets, and find some high draft picks. We’re already within striking distance of the lottery.

      Markov might as well take the rest of the year off, make sure that knee is ironclad for next year and with Patches, Eller, PK, and Price locked up to some term we can really see a team come together in the next couple of years. That’s what it’s going to take, because right now we’re spinning our wheels on the ice.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        I think you said what I was trying to say! Damn. We got the important pieces through free agency without having the nucleus already in place. They were players that would put a “good team” onto the next plateau, but in MTL they just made us a “good team” for a couple years.

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        They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  24. Storm Man says:

    Marry Canadiens….. 2012 could not come faster for me. Im happy to see Price stand up and point some fingers at the so called leaders of this team. My christmas wish is cammy and gio are traded and 11 taking a bus in steel town. Calgary wants Cammy back bad so let’s ship him out now… Gio to the Pens.

  25. mfDx says:

    After last night’s loss, the Canadiens plan to have a gruelling 3 hour french class. They’ll work mainly on conjugation.
    Icing on the cake: with less than a minute to go last night, Mike Blunden snow showers Carey Price.

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    Merry CHristmas and Happy New Year to all the of you here at HI/O. Hopefully everyone has a safe and happy holiday.

    Perhaps Santa Claus may finally deliver a healthy veteran All Star Defenceman this Christmas, maybe a healthy Captain with leadership skills when desperately needed. Maybe the elves can also deliver a 4th line go getter with grit, and MAYBE the 3 wise men have figured out a way to get a former Rookie of the Year to play some nice 2 way hockey for this team.

    The good thing is we have already been given our lump of Cole this year and it is good!

    CHeers to all and to all a Good Holiday!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Right back at you and yours my friend. John B has asked what kind of fans we are. I know most of us are not like the fair weather fans (FWF) of the Yankees, Bruins and Cowboys. We are going to be disappointed and upset after every loss but what seperates us from the FWF is we will keep watching and rooting through it all. It will make that 25th Cup more enjoyable when it finally comes. Go Habs Go.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Have a safe and Happy Holiday to you and your family! All the best for 2012

  27. RetroMikey says:

    Write this down and take it to the bank:
    P.K. Subban and Lars Eller are very overrated on this site by our Canadiens’ fans. We need to develop these kids slowly in Hamilton like the old skool days in developing youngsters. Send them to Hamilton, never hurt Desharnias paying his dues in the ECHL and AHL and look where this great kid doing now for us! Bravo DD!
    Martin was not the problem behind the bench, the blame rests solely on the overrated players we have assembled on this team such as Gionta (WE NEED A TRUE CAPTAIN), Cammy, Gomez, Pleks, Kostitsyn who are supposed to step it up for the team and they are failing us.
    The club is in trouble, we have to admit it.
    We won;t make the playoffs, I’ve said this from day one when we signed these players or picked up Gomer to ridiculous contracts and yes, it was crazy to sign a fat contract to that fragile Markov player we have who is just counting his money from his lazy chair.
    We will get worse before we get better so let’s admit we have to tank and rebuild this club.
    And yes, those Leafs are developing just fine and will get better and better while we are sinking and sinking. They have the last laugh.
    Big is better in this NHL, firewagon hockey has been long gone and the experiment failed.
    Merry Christmas everyone, enjoy your time with family and friends.
    And yes Santa, bring back our club back to the old days, as winners to the players and to the fans!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  28. canajien says:

    Never felt the need to write anything here before, but here goes:

    1. Glad I cancelled cable TV over a year ago so that I am no longer paying good money to watch bad hockey.

    2. From Markov to Martin what we have seen is probably the decisions of a meddling owner who thinks because is he is rich, owns the team and grew up in Montreal he knows more about hockey than the people who have actually worked at it for a living.

    I am not writing that PG and JM are geniuses but everything done since Gillette was forced to sell the team has been pretty much wrong. I don’t think BG quit only because he was tired/weary/lost the desire, he is a smart man and he could probably see the writing on the wall when the new owner came in.

    Molsons, the company failed us as fans when they put $$$ ahead of wins and now Molson the man is failing us by way way of his ego.

    (Just my .01 cents)

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1. Jacques Martin was hired before the Molsons bought the team.

      2. I’m not sure that signing Markov was Molson’s decision and in any case how is that an example of putting $$ before wins? Quite the contrary I’d have thought.

      • Jim Edson says:

        Gainey bailed because prior to the sale of the team he reported directly to Gillette and after the sale he had Boivin jammed above his head between he and Molson.

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        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  29. Mavid says:

    Always half full I am never embarrassed to be a HABS fan and I am wearing my Price shirt today I live in Ottawa and they are shameful fans. I am extremely sad at the state of this team but I will always support my team through good and bad. GO HABS GO and Merry Christmas everyone

  30. Captain aHab says:

    Anybody remember attendance figures at the Bell pre-lockout? I seem to remember the place not being full. I don’t think Habs fans have the blind support Laffs fans have and if Molson isn’t careful, it could end up hurting his bottom line.

    My other question is who drinks Molson beer? Francophones with no taste or Anglophones with no taste?

    I’d like Jim Nill as GM. Spare me the Damphousse crap…

  31. JohnBellyful says:

    Today’s question: What kind of Canadiens’ fan are you? One who sees the tank half-full or half-empty?

  32. V says:

    Do the geniuses who called for Martin’s firing have any further great ideas?

    Good call boys. You must have some new gems to save this situation. Maybe another firing or some wacky new line/trade ideas.

    • The Cat says:

      Just cause we called for firing JM doesnt mean we wanted Cunneyworth (he announced he was JM lite after he was hired), my choice was Ted Nolan. So until Nolan coaches the habs and fails, only then can you sarcastically call me a genius^_^

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Badwich says:

      Puleeze. JM wasn’t a coach to lead this team into the future. Not only did he play the non-performing day in and out his hockey was boring, boring, boring…

      The only lesson Subban and Eller learned last night was that, with all their terrible, indeed horrible faults, they are needed and badly so. Come contract time look out. Love it. Perhaps now Gaston, Benoit, Therrien, et al will stop carping about their poor play. Subban has an “I can” attitude for good reason. Love it or trade him PG.

      And Eller? Don’t get me started.

      Le Chat says Nolan and he got results but could management handle his independent style? Not this management I suspect.

      Punishment. Have a look at the vets.

      Taberwitt

  33. 24 Cups says:

    Some people are calling for the emergency recall of Bob Gainey to go behind the bench or replace Mr. Gauthier on an interim basis. Not a chance in hell.

    I give Gainey points for being a local legend and bringing some stability to the franchise after the Houle years. Some good kids also arrived under his watch. However, he had two chances to build a team from scratch in Montreal and both of them have failed miserably. The Markov and Kaberle contracts are on Mr. Gauthier but everything else rests with Bob Gainey.

    Sadly, we’re not probably looking at making a quick turnaround here the way that teams like LA and Philly have done. We’re looking at major structural change in how this operation is run. Changes that are directed to core functions such as scouting, coaching, cap structure and leadership. In other words, it’s 2003 all over again.

    We all love and respect Gainey but his time has come to go to the alumni room to watch the games with the legends from the past. Because this franchise will never move forward until it breaks away from living in the past.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      One of Gainey’s mistakes was believing that size would no longer matter after the lockout. Paradoxically, it seems to matter more when you can’t hold and interfere, especially on D.

      However I still maintain that the team he built in 2007-2008 was excellent and fun to watch.

  34. LTHF says:

    OK FOLKS SUBBAN AND ELLER SAT OUT FOR NOT PLAYING UP TO SCRATCH. NOW DO THE SAME APPLY TO THE OLDER GUYS. GILL TOOK A 4 MIN PENALTY EARLY AND JETS SCORED TO SET THE TONE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE GAME, THEN ON THE 3RD GOAL HE WAS IMPERSONATING A PYLON AS WHEELER WIZZED BY HIM. DOES HE TAKE A TURN IN THE PRESSBOX? DOUBT IT!

  35. JF says:

    Well, the Jacques Martin haters got what they wanted, and now we get to see how truly bad this team is. Under Jacques Martin, they were playing well, the games were close, and there was hope that when some of the injured returned, when our young defencemen had a little more experience, we would actually win a few games, turn things around and even make the playoffs. After last night, it’s difficult to imagine this team winning another game this season. That has to be the worst and most gutless performance I’ve seen from the Habs since the western road trip during the centennial season. Either the players have already quit on Randy Cunneyworth or he’s a terrible coach.

    What will Geoff Molson do now? The fact that he allowed his GM to get rid of the person who was holding things together suggests he doesn’t know a lot about hockey. To whom can he turn for advice? Bob Gainey, with his makeover of the team in the summer of 2009, is ultimately responsible for this mess, and Pierre Gauthier certainly contributed. Is there anyone in the organization who does not bear some responsibility? We can talk all we want about a rebuild, a new GM, high draft picks, and so on, but I don’t even have much confidence that Geoff Molson will put the right people in place to do the job. This mess could get worse before it gets better.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Jane – Our best players last night, in terms of effort and hustle, were Blunden, Leblanc, Nokelainen, Gorges and Emelin. Blunden is an AHLer, Nokelainen is a fringe player, Leblanc and Emelin are rookies while Gorges is a 2nd pairing Dman at best who now is our top blueliner.

      What does this say about the team as we move on to 2012?

    • Badwich says:

      Playing well????????????????????????????????????????

      Taberwitt

  36. J.J. of Turku says:

    Cammalleri, Gill, Gorges, DD, Pleky, Eller, Gomez and Subban. Won’t be a piece of cake to any of those to put 10 or more goals this season. From Gill and Gorges I don’t expect it, but they are a perfect fit to the list of players who we shouldn’t expect to score a goal.

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  37. topher5468 says:

    Carey Price, He’s all Heart. I love his Post game remarks.

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  38. twilighthours says:

    As habtrinifan said, if you think the poor pre season didn’t mean anything, you’re out to lunch. Completely.

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    http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

    • The Cat says:

      The pre season doesnt mean anything. The problem is people think the team is better than it actually is. Think about it -all hopes of winning rely on the fact whether it can score when it has more players on the ice than the other team. It was all about turtling and blocking shots around the goalie and then hoping to score a couple on the PP. It may work sometimes, but it hardly makes it a dominating squad.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  39. G-Man says:

    With apologies to Gordon Lightfoot:

    The legend lives on from Montrealers on down
    of the big isle they called Hochelaga.
    The isle, it is said, never gives up her dead
    when the skies of December go gaga.
    With a load of huge contracts of 64 million or more
    the good ship Canadien was empty,
    That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed
    when Boone blogged all verklempt(y).

    The team was the pride of the Quebec side
    Out on a trip to Manitoba.
    As the big teams go, it was smaller than most
    with a crew and good coach well seasoned,
    Concluding with loses and bold finger tosses
    when they left fully loaded for Boston.
    And later that night when the score went out of sight,
    could it be JM’s ghost they’d been feelin’?

    The puck in the twine made a tattle-tale sound
    and a siren broke through the silence.
    And ev’ry man knew, as the captain did too
    That this game was only mindless violence.
    The dawn came late and the new head coach learned of hate
    For a language he knew not much of.
    When 4 losses came during freezin’ rain
    The scribes were writing their obits.

    Does any one know where the love of God goes
    when the games turn the minutes to hours?
    The reporters all say they’d have made hay
    if they’d put fifteen more goals behind ‘er.
    They looked split up and they were cap-sized;
    Save they couldn’t score when it mattered.
    And all that remains is the faces and the names
    of the bloggers and trolls that nattered.

    Bob Gainey rolls, Gauthier sings
    in the rooms of his vegetable mansion.
    Old Molson brews and Cunneyworth screams;
    “It looks like I’ve been set up!”
    And farther below where the fans liked to go
    There’s a bar that will tend them.
    As the standings go as those fans all know
    with the Cups of Lord Stanley remembered.

    In a musty old hall in Montreal they prayed,
    in the old Habitants Cathedral.
    The church bell chimed ’til it rang twenty-three times
    for each man on the good ship Canadien.
    The legend lives on from Montrealers on down
    of the big isle they called Hochelaga.
    The isle, it is said, never gives up her dead
    when the skies of December go gaga.

  40. smiler2729 says:

    Bob Berry for GM!

    Merry Christmas!

    Jesus Christ, where’s the Tylenol???

    ___________________________________
    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah chunks

  41. Everlasting1 says:

    The Leafs finally call up their premier center-in-waiting, Nazem Kadri. He’s been phenomenal with the Marlies averaging a point a game in the last two seasons. Look for him to bolster their offense in the quest for a playoff berth.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • The Cat says:

      I find it bizarre that they dont just keep him with the big club.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Last week on HNIC, Don Cherry’s head exploded when asked why he hasn’t been called on lol They’ve been going with Dupuis who has zero points in 30G.

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  42. Bad Digestion says:

    A Merry Christmas and happy new year to all! And thank you to the Habs players, coaches and organization for some great times and wonderful hockey, enjoy your holiday in your million dollar mansion, and do us all a favor and do NOT come back, bunch of heartless @%& losers.

    • DickandDanny says:

      Pathetic. Well, matched against what I just witnessed that description doesn’t even come close to doing justice to the crap I just endured for the past two hours. I actually at one point thought the guys in white have never played a TEAM sport before. I’ve never witnessed so much skating around in ‘the free ice’, calculating and watching for the right moment, then skating fast but going no where near anyone else on the ice… hey, wait a minute I thought I was watching a hockey game here, but all along I’ve been watching the ice follies. Sorry, my mistake forget anything I wrote previously in this post. The Habs game must be on another channel. Pardon moi, madames et monsieur! Hey, not bad for an English guy eh, maybe I can be the next coach in Montreal. But, hey only on the condition you FIND me some frigging decent hockey players who know how to play this freaking kids game with some pride and grit, toughness and passion. Tonight was the absolute worst performance by a habs team in my illustious 48 years of tuning in to their games. I haven’t felt this shitty since my Browns left Cleveland for Baltimore. If this group left town (preferably for Q city) I wouldn’t care less. I’ll even drive the damn bus, do their laundry, pack their equipment and take them all out for supper. Anything to get rid of this entire pathetic bunch of overpaid, underachieving bums.

      \”A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur\”

  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m going to concentrate on the big picture today, instead of focusing on, oh, I don’t know, if I was to pick a subject at random, how bad Chris Campoli and Tomas Kaberle played tonight and how the Kaberle contract will cripple our organization for years to come. Truthfully, I couldn’t really break down the game by periods or by crucial or noteworthy plays, since I snoozed on my comfortable couch during the first and second periods for long stretches, and didn’t bother rewinding the PVR when I came to. I could tell by Pierre Houde’s voice that there was nothing worthwhile that I had missed, except maybe some dominating stretches by former Vancouver Giant Evander Kane, a leader on the Whistler Marmots, who are currently 7-3 and battling for top spot in the HabsInsideOut Memorial Fantasy Hockey League ( http://games.espn.go.com/fhl/standings?leagueId=1471 ).

    If I wasn’t drifting off and snapping to, I was reading Neal Stephenson’s ‘Quicksilver’, the first book of the Baroque Cycle trilogy. It’s my second go-round, an amazing bounty of a read, 400 pages in and I’m not even halfway through the book, with two more to come (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroque_Cycle). Anyway, I’m really enjoying this part of the book, I’m having trouble putting it down, so I was reading and glancing up at the screen now and then, and it came to me that I haven’t really done this all season. I’ve watched every game this season but one, and really watching, not having it on in the background while I do something else.

    This is the first sign that I may be giving up on this season. To do so, I have to protect myself psychologically, and I usually do so by convincing myself that I don’t really care how the Canadiens do, it doesn’t affect my quality of life, so no sense in getting all worked up, kind of like I did during Réjean Houle’s Reign of Error. I’ve already done that with the Chargers, and I’ve enjoyed this late meaningless winning streak they’re on, watching the games is a real pleasure when you’re not awash in fear at the potential playoff implications of a botched snap and fumble on the Chief’s five yard line which negated the chance at a chip-shot game-winning field goal. The games are fun now, they’re exhibitions of artistry and skill with no chance of a payoff and no risk of further heartbreak, kind of like a Cirque du Soleil performance.

    The only problem is I can’t shake the feeling that we are witnessing an implosion of our beloved team, from which wreckage it will take years (again) to emerge. Think Viggo Mortensen trying to eke out a living in the movie ‘The Road’, and that’s the amplitude of the catastrophe we’re going to have to crawl out of, with maybe some zombies and an expiring Maya calendar thrown into the mix.

    The Canadiens seemed to be a team on the rise, with talented, respected veterans like Brian Gionta, Mike Cammalleri and Tomas Plekanec leading the way. Andrei Markov and Josh Gorges were on the mend, there were promising youngsters on the roster, including two guys you could potentially build a franchise around in Carey Price and P.K. Subban. Montréal was no longer a free agent last resort, we managed to overpay Erik Cole to come here instead of he being overpaid somewhere else. Things were only going to get better in the next few years, as more judiciously acquired free agents grafted onto a nucleus of promising draft choices, tantalizingly out of reach for now.

    We now behold the ruins of a once promising and thriving team, which seems directionless and despondent. The players are committing the mortal sin of not even trying anymore, as if they adopted Andrei Kostitsyn as their role model. We’re not even halfway through the season, and it seems as if we’ll endure a Bataan Death March to elimination.

    And that would be okay if we could retool next year, except that not only are we hamstrung by our salary cap situation, but now we have to be concerned that Montréal may not be seen as a good place to play hockey by free agents from without and by our current players. The organization transmogrifying in half a season from a strong and stable one to a Mickey Mouse outfit lurching from one crisis to another is one problem. The language issue, which used to be a hurdle but was now seen to be a quirk that made Montréal kind of cool and gave the cute girls adorable accents is once more going to be a disincentive for a lot of players. Playing at the New Forum and the loudest, most enthusiastic fans, another arrow in our quiver for attracting players, is not going to be thought of so highly when it generates the loudest, most enthusiastic boos in the league.

    I’ve been seen as a glass-is-three-quarters-full kind of guy when it comes to the team and its management and future outlook, but I’m crestfallen at how quickly the wheels fell off this jalopy. Maybe this is something that a nine game win streak can turn around, but until win #5 or 6, I’m going to be hanging with Chicken Little.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  44. CowtownCanadien says:

    I must note that I WILL NEVER STOP SUPPORTING THE HABS. But this current season is getting really hard to watch. And I have spent a fair amount of money to watch them play here in Calgary plus Edm and Van. I follow them on the western road trip every year. I pray the compete level improves greatly before this season’s trip.

  45. deuce6 says:

    Reading a lot of “hab fans” jumping ship…Watch your first step, you may break an ankle..Don’t let the door hit ya…

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  46. PeterD says:

    Priority #1…Get a new GM that has the balls to deal with this mess of a team between now and year end. Then do a quality job at the Draft and in Free Agency markey this summer….main task…re-shape this team into a passionate group of players that WANT to be in Montreal and WANT to win.
    Current management just is not getting the job done now or over the past 5 years…Molson needs to shake things up and make a big change.

  47. ZimHabwe says:

    1 – Get Quebec City a hockey team NOW so Montreal can concentrate on building a Stanley Cup contender instead of worrying about the politics of language in a team that is part of a North American/International professional hockey league. That way, any disgruntled fan on the basis of language can channel their support in the QC direction; and so will the disgruntled media. This hockey team needs room to breathe.

    2 – ALL teams go through a great depression. It is about time we went through ours. See, even if we rallied after December, we would still be aiming for a bottom 4 position in the East playoff contention. I hate to sound ominous but this was probably meant to be. From a lacklustre performance in the pre-season to the present, our team has been consistent in their weak performance. I doubt anything will change at this point. If we can live with that, then we will all be at peace with this situation. No rant or rage or fury or ire will make a difference. So I will continue to support the lads and I hope you all do to. Let them know that we understand that this is not their season but they have our support. That way, we can guarantee that they’ll do their best (whatever their best is) knowing we have not abandoned them

    3 – At this rate, what’s the worst that can happen if we brought back Alex Kovalev for the last half as a 4th line forward?

    • savethepuck says:

      1. I remember the rivalry between the Habs and Diques. I miss it.

      2. What I find funny is everyone thinking the Habs are going thru a depression. Yes it has been since 1993 since the Habs won a Cup, but that is only 1 decade since the inception of the NHL that the Habs did not win a Cup and that is the last decade 2001- 2009. whatever that decade is called. Search other organizations and you will see that no other franchise has only gone 1 decade without winning a Stanley!!!

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  48. andykirstein says:

    Ooy!

    I’ll say 1 thing…….if any of you out there didn’t see this coming, you can’t know much about this game. It’s pure science. The rinks didn’t get bigger , therefore the players had to.

    Nuff said!

    Happy Holidays

  49. savethepuck says:

    I’m getting tired of the obvious hidden smiles and smirks from the TSN staff everytime there is something negative about the Habs. “The Habs lose again” wink wink nudge nudge. “Andre Markov has a set back” wink wink nudge nudge. “PK Subban a healthy scratch with Lars Eller” wink wink nudge nudge

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  50. --Habs-- says:

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh – Thats what I said after the last game. Tank the team. If this is the future tank the team and get early 1st rounders. Cammy doesn’t want to play night in night out. Dump him. Its sad when AK is making Cammy and Plex look bad. But thats where we are. Keep Cole, Max, Price and everyone else is game for trade bate. Gomez! Send him to Hamilton. Hey spending Molson’s money is easy. Fire sale! Clean house. This is a bunch of under achievers and time to clean the Slate. Bring back Savard if he’d listen. Bring back Robinson although not sure he’s a manager type. Maybe get Bowman in the front office. As for the french issue! As for the French media and politician’s jumping all over the french issue all I can say is this! I have more respect for prostitutes than bitchy, whining politicians and media figure heads.

  51. city center says:

    Well, I think tonight eliminated any lingering hope I had that the Habs could somehow turn this thing around.

    the good news: they will be better after hitting rock bottom.

    the bad news: there are more of these nights to come before getting to rock bottom.

    you know things are bad when Blunden is your best player.

    thought LL had flashes tonight and liked Emelin coming back pretty quickly from that bad high stick.

    and please tell me I did not see Cammi giving LL the business for missing him with a pass in the 3rd period on the TSN feed. If so, that’s some gumption.

    Before anything else is done, priority #1 is to thank BG and PG for their service and then get the best GM available so that the right moves are made at the trade deadline without Gainey’s or Goat’s input/control. If this cannot be done in time, Molson should freeze the roster until season’s end. Someone else has to right this ship. I’m sure BG and PG did what they thought was best but the lack of balance on this team is almost dizzying. Stellar goaltending masked a lot of that imbalance with Halak’s heroics 2 years ago and Price’s great season last year.

    I like Pleks but I don’t think a defensive specialist with only pretty good offensive skills is enough for your #1 center in this league. Habs desperately need a legit, rugged #1 center. I would love to see what it would take to pry Getzlaf out of the ducks (could a deal involving Pleks, Cammi, AK46 and Campoli/Weber do it or would it need to include Subban too). I know they probably would not part with him absent a kings ransom, but his brand of hockey is exactly what this team needs–especially if a couple of the habs prospects in the next year or two will be undersized like Gallagher.

    and speaking of undersized, I know he blew the coverage on the 4th goal and his line wasn’t clicking tonight, but next to Blunden and LL, thought DD had the best compete level. DD was buzzing the net all night and tough on the boards (unlike others).

    last, i cannot fathom the lack of balance on this defense. Diaz, Weber, Kaberle and Campoli all look the same to me and not in a good way. Do not understand why the Habs would not have 3 of those 4 replaced with some rugged D that can win puck battles on the boards and in front of the net. Mara would have been an absolute upgrade over any of them in my opinion. I would keep Diaz and lose the rest if possible.

    Build around Price, Emelin, Subban, Gorges, DD, LL, Eller, Cole and MaxPac. Keep for one more year Moen, Gill, Darche and Gionta to help the kids. Diaz can fill the 6 or 7 d-man slot.

    Deal at the deadline or before next season: Pleks, AK46, Cammi, Kaberle (if at all possible), Weber, Nokia, Campoli, Budaj

    Gomez to the Dogs.

    Pray that Markov and White can come back and stay healthy. In fact, do you tell Markov to await training camp in September before attempting his comeback? I think it may make sense and you can let Emelin, Diaz and Subban continue to have that additional valuable ice time.

    Had to get this off my chest so I can move on and enjoy Christmas. Happy holidays all and be well.

    Go Habs Go.

  52. avatar_58 says:

    Also if they are going to bench players, why not Cammy and Plek? How about Gorges or Gill? Bench some vets and send a true message. EVERYONE is playing like crap. Not just Subban, and I’m not entirely sure what the hell Eller did.

    Bench Cammy and Plek the next game. They are going to lose anyway right? Use it to send a message that anyone can be benched and everyone needs to step up

  53. giants_habs says:

    Just got home from a long nights work, I did not see the game, but just read about last night. I cant believe PK and Eller were sitting. I understand PK a bit because he hasnt played well. Eller has been a bright spot though. His points dont show it. If you want to sit someone try Cams! Pk needs to play less minutes. I think he would be better at 18-20 min a game. I also think firing Martin right before a 6 game road trip where Randy cant install a system is a mistake. Either fire Martin when you fired Pearn or fire him after the holidays. PG time is running out anyways. I think they should get rid of everyone before the trade deadline at least. and then get rid of the underachievers at the deadline for picks/ younger players/ a future. This team is done! I cant wait to pick first in the draft this year.

  54. kholdstare says:

    The Canadiens were bad tonight, but not as bad as that one posters comments on BG’s daughter. I’ve read this site for years now and just signed up recently. I thought it would be fun to talk about the team and discuss with like minded individuals the best team ever. That post however wasnt deleted and moderaters should be doing a better job. Maybe some of you are saying fine leave, thats fair, but I think we should take pride in this place as a hangout and ban people like that. It was that bad. Freedom of speech is a right, so is freedom from hate. I cant imagine what that man went through nor do I want to, it was horrible. I’m not minicing words whoever thought that and wrote it is scum.

    • neumann103 says:

      I did not see the post you reference, but someone made a nasty comment about Mr.Gainey’s late daughter about three weeks back and it was deleted quickly, but not before a large number of HIO posters jumped on the nitwit for posting such vile nonsense.

      The mods are volunteers and on gamenights are getting about 3 posts per minute. They probably wanted to actually see a bit of the game,and then afterwards probably wanted about 10 drinks.

      Some crap is going to slip by.It doesn’t mean the site or the rest of is endorse it.

      “Et le but!”

      • kholdstare says:

        I didnt say that most of the people endorsed it, I just said the mod’s need to do a better job. There are lots of things we can do to stop incidents like that. Set up flag system so the mods can look at it asap. We can flag the unecessary hate posts,, warnings can go out. Simply letting stuff slip by isnt a great excuse, some of the mods seem more concerned in deleting actual opinions rather than stuff like that.

  55. HABZZZ says:

    Well you had to see this mess coming. A team with very little confidence at all and a world of pressure with all the changes and this never ending language issue.

    While some of you are at the next home game handing your little flags out please bring a cheque book with you so may be you can have a reason to think this team belongs to you.

    You Nationalists have done NOTHING to improve this hockey team and have just Complained to no end when things weren’t to your liking.

    After leaving thirty years ago I now know I made the right choice to leave my hometown and move to Vancouver.

    It breaks my heart to leave my Habs team but you ungrateful lot have once again turned this whole thing sour. dégueulasse !

  56. Marc10 says:

    One thing that will come out of this debacle of a season… Pricey and the kids are going to take over this team and make it their own. So we’re going to get some serious arse kicking leaders from this lot and we’ll be better for it.

    Geoff should give everyone a free beer who has to come to the next game.

  57. habstrinifan says:

    Boone: ‘Meanwhile, back in Montreal, enough political sewage hitting the ventilation system to ensure Geoff Molson has a brown Christmas.”….

    That dumb-arse poster who called me out and said I was making a mountain out of a molehill, when I suggested, in the incipient stages of this issue, that the HABS brass head of this issue in its incipiency with a presser… please stand up and show yourself.

    I dont normally call people names here on HIO but I am so freakin mad at this issue and how poorly it was handled and how blind PG and yes Molson were. As blind as that poster.

    It is this blind incompetence which pervades habs world today. It started with all those apologists assuring us that it was only “PRE-SEASON”, right through the “Gomez will rebound” chants. Along the way we had the MARKOV saga.

    Stupidity reins supreme.

  58. Big Bird says:

    Couple of cents from the peanut gallery – it has been a while:

    (1) This team is in such a mess that it’s time to blow it up – again – and build from scratch. Move whatever veterans you can, stock up on draft picks and build around a young core of players. Saying this is Montreal is over. Times have changed since the era of Sam Pollock and we will need to rebuild our team through the draft and player development.

    (2) Speaking of player development can we please get some more scouts in Quebec? If Philadelphia can scout great players from that province then so should Montreal. And not part-time scouts either.

    (3) Speaking of Quebec, I understand the sensitivity of having a head coach who can speak french as I lived in Montreal for many years. The coach doesn’t have to be fluent but he needs to be making an effort and even making the salutory ‘Bonjour’. Sure if we get a terrific coach and he only speaks Russian – winning is all that matters and it hasn’t mattered since 1993 – but even Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman spoke a little bit of french.

    (4) Speaking of coaches, I feel awful for Randy Cunneyworth, as he’s a good guy in an untenable situation. Pierre Gauthier holds the blame for this mess and he should be canned. Time to get a GM who isn’t in fear for his job. Once that happens you can no longer manage a team properly. And please no suggestions for Pierre McGuire. Being able to Monday Morning Quarterback on television does not make one a good NHL general manager.

    (5) Speaking of coaches or even assistant coaches, can we please get my username namesake Larry Robinson back in Montreal behind the bench as an assistant coach who can coach our prized young defencemen like Subban, Diaz, Yemelin and others coming up such as Beualieu?

    (6) I understand people are upset right now but saying we’re going to stop supporting the team is a sign of being a fair-weather fan. We’re better than that. Even if it hurts like hell right now.

    Merry Christmas everyone and all the best for the holidays and 2012.

    Cheers,
    BB

    • Chuck says:

      Excellent, sane, and well-thought-out points of view. Good to hear from you again, BB.

      Enjoy the holidays, and here’s to the Habs kicking some butt in 2012!

    • SPATS says:

      Nice post Big Bird. Most of us are just frustrated and venting. Of course we’ll always be Habs fans, and like the quebecois, we’re proud and wear it on our sleeves, consequences be damned. Gotta admit though, the Flyers are a team to emulate on how to blow it up and rebuild. And I loathed them until this 24/7 thing.

      OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • The Dude says:

      Very nice post BB and ya always love da Habs …just don’t settle for a mediocre C.H.! Go Habs Go …………

  59. Chuck says:

    Wow… Carey came as close to calling guys out by name as he could without naming them, essentially saying that if someone can’t be bothered to put in the effort to play as part of a team they’ll find their ass shipped out of town.

  60. habstrinifan says:

    I hope Geoff Molson has already put a search committee in place for the next GM. And if he is smart he will make sure that NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL presently in the administration is allowed to have any input… including Timmins who I acknowledge has been great in his job.

    I hope that Geoff Molson has ALREADY told PG that he is as lame duck as lame duck can get. In other words dont allow PG to even order new paper clips.

    Randy Cunneyworth.. sorry you are a nice guy put in an untenable position… but I would cancel the Rosetta Stone language course… unless of course you are planning a French vacation to recuperate. In fact Randy, you may think my suggestion cowardly, but if I were in your position I would jump ship ASAP…. spare yourself the circus that is to be your first game in Montreal.

    Please someone, somewhere in the HABS inner circle or with access to Geoff Molson, pass a note to Mr Molson with one name on it.

    Larry Robinson!!!

    Get him involved wih this franchise ASAP. I would love him as coach but somehow, in some position, I want to see Larry Robinson in our organization.

    The damage is done. Let’s get to rebuilding this franchise.

  61. Barts says:

    I wouldn’t let Bob Gainey anywhere near the f’n bench. He’s done enough damage!!!!!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Bob Gainey should have been named interim coach to begin with. He would have had the balls and independence to kick ass if needed, and had instant respect in the room. We’re paying him, he should have stepped up for half a season and stabilized this situation, if we absolutely had to fire Mr. Martin.

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  62. nova scotia vees says:

    I have been a Habs fan since 1957…yes, I am old. And I never thought I’d see the day that I abandoned my beloved team. But…with this language crap and Molson’s capitulation to the chattering separtists, I am sad to say that the love-affair may be over. If Crosby were playing, I would be tempted to wear that silly Penguin’s logo. I think many of the current players feel the same….they want out of such a bigoted, backward province.

    • dude1967 says:

      So let’s assume the habs get a good coach, and make a few changes. Who knows, start winning? I’ll be interested in reading all the Quebec hating “habs fans” comments then. Maybe you should get a Toronto jersey from Mr. Eaton. Me, I’ll get the No.9 MTL jersey.

      Habs will rise!

      • SPATS says:

        That would be nice, just doesn’t seem likely mon ami. Quebec has gotten more than its share from the ROC. You can be sure the ROC won’t be sympathetic this time. You’ll have to pay for the Maurice Richard bridge without us.

    • SPATS says:

      This is sad slow motion train wreck indeed. But, we must remember we have about $20 million on the IR. Cunneyworth is either brave or crazy. I’m betting on brave.

      OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  63. montreal ace says:

    Boone mentioned BG and coach in the same sentence, I had not thought about it, but it might happen

  64. habsfan0 says:

    I detect a note of cynicism in Boone’s commentary tonight.

  65. avatar_58 says:

    Gotta say, happy with my evening. Probably because I didn’t watch this garbage and spent it with my GF.

    EDIT – Hahahahaha they scratched Subban? Wow this team is heading far far south. Is it the 2012-2013 season yet?

  66. MilaKunis says:

    Maybe they should fire Perry Pearn again!

  67. Everlasting1 says:

    ‘About Last Night..??” At 11:50pm? lol

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    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  68. SPATS says:

    Wow, I was an eternal optimist like Ian Cobb. I always saw the glass half full. However, tonight after we went down 3-0, I floated over to my PVR recording of 24/7 episode 2. I think I may have to start pulling for the Flyers (this year anyways) They’re overcoming injuries and playing the way I wish we could. Not goons anymore and a lot of rookies too. They also appear to have an outstanding coach in Laviolette. Torts? Whatta clown – I’m only impressed by his relationship with the boy with Cerebral Palsy. Highly recommended viewing.

    After hearing all the language issues flaring up again, it’s getting hard to pull for my Habs anymore. I simply cannot bring myself to be sympathetic to the “he must speak french” crowd. The insecurity of the majority is embarrasing. Glad I got out in 97. Come to BC my fellow anglo quebecers. We’re going into a housing correction as I type this.

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • Wops says:

      Why not choose the Canucks?

    • Everlasting1 says:

      A glass half full still reveals the bubbles. Unless it’s gone flat.

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      “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • jayvanni says:

      I’ve reached the breaking point not only with this team but with this province as well. I can’t live in such an ignorant and close-minded society. Quebec is in serious decline and Im pretty sure I dont want to stick around for whats on the horizon. I have a few years of university left before I can leave but I am starting to look into my options in Ottawa & Toronto.

      • SPATS says:

        No snow or separtists here in Vic my friend, and I have a tee time next friday at http://www.cordovabaygolf.com

        OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

        • jayvanni says:

          Yes I had the chance to travel to B.C. twice while I was working for an airline. I’ve been to a few cities in Canada and the funny thing is that I had the greatest interactions with everyone I encountered. On the other hand I’ve done some travelling around my home province of Quebec and felt as if I was in a foreign country, go figure.

          • SPATS says:

            I left after the last referendum. No way was I going to pay taxes to support Louise Beaudoin and l’office de la langue francaise. If you need laws to brainwash your masses feigned as “protecting your culture” you’re culture probably isn’t worth saving. I’d love to see the Habs go all in. 100% French GM, Coach and players. Too bad the pros are too bright to fall for it. And, I’M FRENCH!!!

            OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

      • dude1967 says:

        Then leave. And take your whining with you. I’ll stick with the habs.

      • belle_moustache says:

        I’ve been a longtime fan of HIO, and I always enjoyed reading the blogs and comments, but I have NEVER, EVER seen as much French/Québec-bashing as tonight! One HAS to hope that it has to do the Habs’ horrendous play getting on everyone’s nerves.

        People don’t seem to understand that the type of attitude that’s being openly displayed in the comments tonight is a GOOD PART of the reason about 40% of us (which I’m a part of) want to separate.

        And I especially hate when people equate being a sovereignist with close-mindedness. I speak English as well as I speak French, have plenty of English-speaking friends, have travelled all over the world, and I’d still vote “yes” in a referendum. Do I sound close-minded to you? And I have plenty of Québécois friends like me.

        Now I AM NOT part of the crowd raging about Cunneyworth’s appointment as head coach because I understand he was named the interim coach. However, anyone who doesn’t understand why it’s important to us to have a permanent (i.e. not interim) coach who is bilingual, considering how sensitive language is here and how hard it is to defend French in North America, has absolutely no understanding of Québec.

        The bottom line is, I just wish our team was better. This is getting sadder by the day.

        • Mike D says:

          Ironically, thinking you are open-minded simply because you can speak english, have a few anglo friends, and did some travelling is incredibly close-minded.

          Have a good look at the state of the province – it’s miserable. Or do you need some more overpasses to collapse before it dawns on you? Thinking Quebec could survive on it’s own financially and economically is beyond close-minded. It calls your intellect into question too.

          This is coming from a born Montrealer BTW.

          - Honestly yours

          • belle_moustache says:

            How is it that believing that speaking English, having anglo friends, and having travelled shows I’m not close-minded make me “incredibly close-minded”? I’m still trying to understand that assertion.

            And no, although it does have problems (corruption, for instance), Québec is NOT miserable compared to other Canadian provinces other than the Western provinces, especially Alberta. On its own, Québec would be more than able to thrive. Thinking it could not calls YOUR judgement in question.

            Subban better be back next game.

            Bonne soirée mon ami

          • jayvanni says:

            http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/782673–quebec-a-poor-little-rich-province

            -Quebec is the poorest province in all of Canada.
            -Quebec has received over $8.5 billion in Federal equalization funds.
            -Quebec is the 5th most indebted jurisdiction in the industrialized world.

            Even without a referendum Quebec is on the verge of collapse. If Quebec gained independence you have to also take into account the impact it would have on the remaining Canadian businesses whos headquarters remain here. Say goodbye to Air CANADA, Transat A.T. and basically every other Canadian business. They’ll be in Toronto by noon the next day. Secondly, the PQ would implement their extensions of Bill 101 banning english, forcing all immigrants to attend french training courses etc. Goodbye to the 500-600K anglophones along with institutions like Concordia & McGill etc. And say goodbye to countless future immigrants. Last and not least Quebec would now be responsible to foot the bill for all of those bridges that are falling down, the total cost of healthcare, military, etc. Quebec would have to issue passports, E.I., and establish a currency. Quebec would also have 0 relationship or assitance from Canada and poor business relations with the United States because guess what they speak english.

            So I hope you get your wish to seperate, I’ll move to Ontario and the rest of North America will watch and laugh as Quebec gets what it deserves.

  69. otter649 says:

    RDS shows the Gill clip but did they say anything about #67 quiting on the play as he could have easily checked Wheeler but turned away – It is a team game and mates help each other out on most teams or maybe Pacs was thinking of hitting him & decided not to with images of Letang coming to his mind……

  70. deuce6 says:

    Does anyone know where I can get a hold of Dr. Emmet Brown? I want to get a lend of the Flux Capacitor so I can go forward in time and see if rooting for this team is worth my while because right now, I feel like I am wasting it. Better yet, maybe I can go back in time and correct all the BAD draft choices this team screwed up on to ice a real NHL hockey team.

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    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I was about to upbraid you, after reading the second sentence, that you should go back in time to correct the errors of the past. Reading on, I realized I’d be your copilot, and started to draw up a list of errors to correct. In no particular order:

      1) Drafting Doug Wickenheiser instead of Denis Savard.

      2) Drafting Mark Napier instead of Mike Bossy.

      3) Trading away Rod Langway.

      4) Naming Irving Grundman GM instead of Scotty Bowman, or, realistically, anybody else at all.

      5) Drafting Alfie Turcotte.

      6) Allowing Guy Lafleur to wreck his career. You and I would have an intervention with him, Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future style. With Journal de Montréal screaming headlines for support.

      7) The John Leclair-Eric Desjardins Giveaway.

      8 Réjean Houle-Mario Tremblay- Patrick Roy

      9) Lyle Odelein traded for what used to be Stéphane Richer. Kind of a minor one, but it’s a pet peeve of mine.

      10) Trading away Pierre Turgeon, because we have too much talent and size at centre, which has historically been a problem here, too much size and talent at centre.

      11) Did we really take care of Réjean Houle? Maybe we should give him a ride to 65 million years BCE.

      12) Drafting Eric Chouinard instead of Simon Gagné. Or Brad Richards. Or even Scott Gomez.

      13) Drafting Andrei Kostitsyn instead of pretty much anybody else in 2003.

      The rest just fixes itself with the tapestry thus rewoven.

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      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  71. jo_maka says:

    GM Chris Chelios……..do we dare ?
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    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  72. DorvalTony says:

    ’til

    A till is something you turn the soil with.

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  73. otter649 says:

    So The RDS guys did not show the great stellar checking job DD #51 did on Stapelton for The Jets fourth goal not allowed to show when a Quebecois screws up as per RDS policy……..

  74. ProHabs says:

    The Pro Scouting on this team sucks rocks. Who recommended this team to sign Campoli, he is awful. Who recommended this team to trade for Kaberle. WHo recommended this team trade for Gomez.

    Timmons does a good job with the amateur scouting but the Pro Scouting is the problem.

  75. SPATS says:

    I went across Canada last year to see if there was any better place. Went as far as Charlottetown. House prices were attractive, but you can’t beat the outdoor lifestyle here. Climb Mount Doug every morning. Hope you can make it back here someday

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  76. The Dude says:

    Ask yourselves whats more important…Price and Subban or Stanley Cups?

  77. giants_habs says:

    I’m sorry but Vinny shouldn’t be the answer or the question. No way do I want Vinny in a Montreal uniform unless its the Vinny from the early to mid 2000′s.

  78. Mike D says:

    Not to be rude, but try paying attention. Vinny doesn’t want to play here and said as much publicly.

    Also, he isn’t the star player he once was and has the honour of holding one of the few NHL contracts that’s worse than Gomez’s. The guy is signed until 2020 at a cap hit of 7.73mil and is already 31 years old.

    I agree we need a true #1 center and Pleks would be a fantastic #2 (like Kesler in VAN), but Vinny isn’t a #1 guy. Crosby, Malkin, E. Staal, Getzlaf, Stamkos, Giroux, Backstrom, H. Sedin, Kopitar. B. Richards, Toews…..these guys are #1 C’s.

    - Honestly yours

  79. Chuck says:

    So you trade the future cornerstones of the franchise… who are you going to build around? I ask this not in jest, but honestly.

  80. kholdstare says:

    I was mad about the game then I saw that, I cant believe that appeared here. I’m still shocked.

    That crossed the line of human decency.

  81. Mike D says:

    When asked what he thought caused the positive turnaround in his game after playing lousy for so long, he responded by saying that he was worried he was going to be traded to Montreal and it had a negative impact on his game. Makes it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to play here, don’t you think? This was after the no-trade clause in his contract kicked in I believe.

    If you want to rid the team of a bad player on a bad contract, don’t replace him with a better player on an even worse contract. Not exactly what I call progress.

    I wasn’t stating that those centers I mentioned would necessarily sign here as FA’s. Just pointing out that they are all a cut above Vinny (and then some in most cases). We could potentially trade for one of them but the cost might be too high. If Montreal is finally going to acquire that elusuve #1 center, let’s make sure the question, “Is he a TRUE #1 Center?” can’t even be asked.

    - Honestly yours

  82. twilighthours says:

    He has stated privately that he doesn’t want to play in Montreal. It sounds hollow coming from some Internet fan, but I know this to be fact. Lecavalier doesn’t want to play in Montreal.

    Which is good, because that would only make us worse and for longer.

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  83. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m not sure of the modalities of the NBA amnesty since I avoid that sport and League and the punks who inhabit it like the plague. I am vaguely aware that an amnesty exists though, so we may hope that one occurs in the NHL, since Gary Bettman is nothing but a frustrated would-be NBA Commissioner.

    I know the last CBA in the NHL included a buyout period, to allow teams currently above the new salary cap to get under it without penalty, but I’m not sure if we’ll be that lucky this time, with two toxic contracts to get rid of. If there is a drastic decrease in the cap number, it would make sense that there be an out clause, but some GM’s in the league, notably Brian Burke, would be dead-set against it, since he believes you shouldn’t get Get Out Of Jail Free cards, you should live with your mistakes, or else what’s the point of a cap.

    GM’s were warned that caps could always go down based on revenue, but the next change wouldn’t be an organic one but rather a drastic decrease, and a lot of teams would be in trouble, and a lot of players might find themselves in the minors, so we may have hope.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  84. The Cat says:

    Youre right…a fine observation.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  85. Badwich says:

    wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy past!

    Taberwitt

  86. Chuck says:

    So you let Price and Subban go for picks, in the hope that those picks eventually turn into an other Price and Subban?

  87. LA Loyalist says:

    We have 4 players that must not be moved.

    Price. Pk. Plex. Patches.

    Other than that, go crazy.

  88. RetroMikey says:

    Hmmmmm Price stays along with Pacioretty.
    Pleks needs to go and still not sold whether Subban will be a top 4 DMan in this league.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “


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