About last night … with audio

Sharks
Pop the champagne!
Your Montreal Canadiens are coming back from California with at least a point.
But save room in the baggage compartment for some doubts and playoff anxieties.
The Canadiens have held a lead in each of their last four games.
They’ve lost them all.

But give the team some credit.

Playing the second half of a back-to-back, the Canadiens played courageously.

It might have been David Desharnais’s best game of the season.

Louis Leblanc played 14:25, did not look out of place and had the makings of good chemistry with Lars Eller.

Mike Cammalleri had his best game in a while. So did Brian Gionta.

Josh Gorges was heroic, particularly in the third period and OT.

The Canadiens took only one minor penalty.

But the Canadiens injury-depleted, undersized and inexperienced defence was overmatched against the hulking Sharks, who stormed back with forechecking ferocity each time the Canadiens had the lead.

The Canadiens led 1-0 for all of 41 seconds.

Their 2-1 lead lasted 1:37.

The 3-2 lead provided by Erik Cole was the biggest tease. It lasted until there were 87 seconds left in regulation time.

DD, so good in so many aspects of the game, was lax in his back-pressure coverage on Ryan Clowe.

Carey Price, who made superb saves and could not be faulted on the first two San Jose goals, directed a rebound into the slot, right toward an onrushing Clowe.

It was a dagger to the CH heart – yet another goal-against scored in the dying seconds of a period.

And it was an appropriately disheartening end – the OT and Shootout were anticlimactic – to an evening that began with more speculation and rumours about Andrei Markov.

After skating and practicing with his teammates in Brossard, Markov joined them for the trip to California. But he didn’t play in Anaheim and wasn’t in San Jose.

The Canadiens being the paranoid, Stalinist organization they are, there was no information forthcoming on Markov’s whereabouts, his condition or the likelihood we’ll see him in the lineup any time soon.

As the Markov Mystery deepened, the Canadiens played a gutsy game and salavaged a point that left them tied at 25 with the no-longer-mighty Washington Capitals and imminently-bankrupt New Jersey Devils.

Heading to Los Angeles – where Markov purportedly awaits – the Canadiens are within a point of the eighth-place high-water mark they’ve yet to achieve this season.

This isn’t much of an ALN …, but it’s 2 a.m. in Montreal and I don’t know what to make of this team – beyond the certainty that the Canadiens face a steep uphill climb toward qualifying for the postseason.

Their speed was on display against the Sharks.

So was their lack of size – and depth.

Alexei Emelin played the first half of the game like a D-man staking a claim on a Top Six spot.

Over the last 30 minutes, he joined the Swiss Cheeses in making one yearn for the return of Jaro Spacek and Chris Campoli.

One last throught to haunt the dreams of Habs fans:

Travis Moen in the Shootout?

WTF?????

161 Comments

  1. Badwich says:

    Yes they almost won. Yes the camshaft got a goal. Yes les boys played hard.

    That said Camshaft still looks like a lamp post when there’s trouble in his end of the rink. At least he wasn’t directing traffic. I get my beads out every time he’s on the ice. I guess he believes he’s a shooter/rusher and absolutely nothing but.

    And Mumbles still needs a one way ticket outta here.

    Taberwitt

  2. Rainrocket16 says:

    I was at last nights game in SJ and I have to say that it was fun to watch a game there. With that said I was very upset with the lack of sportmanship from the younger fans their, they were heckling me and my son all game and I finally had enough! I told them to shut their mouths and stop swearing in front of my child or I will throw their little asses over the balcony. A bit harsh yes but enough is enough….This is for the young kids out there!!! DO NOT disrespect someone for wearing the opponents jersey when they pay for tickets and support their team and travel great lengths to do so…it is immature and very dissapointing.

    On a funny note though..My 5 year old son at one point, on his own intuition, turned around facing them punks and said “Daddy where is their Cup Banner”..Awesome, this was after I had said my piece by the way… Price looked great let’s not get too discouraged yet this season! Happy Holidays Habs fans!

    • DYCSoccer17 says:

      I was also at the game, and I must say that the sheer arrogance and xenophobia of the people in Northern California is astonishing. I was getting heckled at the bars prior to the game about not having a green card and being taunted in all sorts of manners for being a “Canadian”. There’s one problem, though–I’m not a Canadian. I am an American. It was just really sad and depressing behavior from Californians. I used to associate Northern California with being liberal and tolerant and respectful of others, but no longer can I. I really don’t understand where this sense of entitlement and air of superiority comes from. It’s not like the franchise has won any Stanley Cups in their 20 year existence…

      • SarahMc33 says:

        Yeah, I was REALLY disappointed at the sharks fans around me as well. One guys was going so far as to yell anti-French slurs at anyone wearing a Habs jersey. It was bad enough that one Habs fan ended up getting into a scuffle with a Sharks fan. The ushers kicked the Habs fan out, but the sharks fan was allowed to stay and was cheered as a hero by the other sharks fans around him. Suffice to say I was a bit embarrassed to be an American.

    • The Juice says:

      Awesome story, your son is my hero of the day ;)

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  3. The Juice says:

    Good effort by the boys, Price was amazing (shootout notwithstanding). I only question the use of Moen and PK in the shootout whilst leaving AK on the bench…

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    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  4. DorvalTony says:

    Keep making excuses for Price. He’s a world beater. Look at his rings.

    ——————————————–
    Brendan Shanahan is Colon Campbull in drag.

  5. I love Price but he is lousy in shoot outs because he keeps making the same mistake over and over again. He backs up too quickly and ends up too deep in the crease leaving way too much net for the shooters (earlier in the season he was under the crossbar for a number of goals). Doesn’t anyone on the coaching staff look at the replays? Either start him out higher or work with him on his timing so he can pace his retreat better or whatever else might help, but show you are paying attention and DO SOMETHING!

    Ch EJ

    • Habfan29 says:

      Agree 100%. I have been a goalie for 39 years and it is easy to see that in the Shootout Price does not come out far enough and challenge the shouters. He is dropping his right shoulder as he backs in. Why the goalie coach does not address this is beyond me??? The book is out on Price, as soon as he drops that shoulder it is up top – goal.

  6. roady says:

    Emelin’s hit on Pavelski was a thing of beauty, the best open ice hit of the year…he’s a keeper…given time he will only get better!!

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  7. roady says:

    David Desharnaise belongs on this team …PERIOD !!! The little man had his best game as a Hab, well deserving of the 2nd star in this game. I know many still doubt him…I never have and I never will, the kid is well worth the money and Louie Leblanc looked fine out there …Darche can sit somewhere and keep his big mouth shut, he has nothing, brings nothing, does nothing…waive this nice guy immediately…

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  8. LL says:

    So let’s throw Wiz under the bus cuz he doesn’t play here anymore.
    His stats were awful with the awful Islanders…ditto Columbus.

    He was a game-changer here in Montreal. But He’s spilt milk now.

    What I saw last night was a booming shot by Emelin. The Pleks (love him) Experiment has failed, officially, even though last night there weren’t too many penalties called.

    If Moen had scored, we’d be thrilled, but he didn’t. The armchair coach in me would’ve picked AK, Eller, Leblanc, and even Diaz ahead of him.

    It was a tough loss against a much better team, except the goalie.
    Sharks look like they could be a basketball team. What I really liked about them is their comeback ability. A sign of a true contender. sigh

    The copy/paste “it’s all on Price”, is boring.

    • G-Man says:

      Price was fine last night. His only slight error was that rebound into the slot at the end of the 3rd. This loss is not on him.

    • DorvalTony says:

      How come as soon as CH score a hard fought goal he gives one up almost right away? Nobody can help him in the shootout, whose ‘fault’ is that?

      ——————————————–
      Brendan Shanahan is Colon Campbull in drag.

      • LL says:

        To answer your 1st question, you underestimate a team like San Jose that can come back and score at will, as stated above.

        Someone can help him in the shootout, his teammates – who are supposed to score more goals than the opposition, provided the coaching staff chooses the right players.
        Every shot Price faced was a “good” shot, not so for Niemi.

        I like your world-is-flat thinking Tony.

  9. Habsbill24 says:

    OK, for all of you who support Martin, is there any better evidence that he has to go than having Moen in the shootout? Martin gave away a point. Not to say that AK, Pleks, Leblanc or Eller would have scored but is there any doubt they any one of them give you a better chance to win than Moen? Bad enough that he has a man crush on Darche who has all of one point this year and a career total of three PP goals yet plays on the PP from time to time. I have followed the Canadiens since 1961 and current management acts like we are still in the glory days of the 1960s and 70s. Those days are long gone and action is need to bring this team in step with the current game. Hockey is entertainment and neither JM and PG understand that this team is not entertaining. Boring hockey is acceptable only if you win game after game as NJ did when they won Cups. Boring hockey to play 500 hockey and to squeak into the playoffs only to get blown away in the first round is not acceptable. Do we have any all stars this year? No. Any potential trophy winners? No. Any star rookies? No. Any point producers or goal scorers in the top ten? No. Drastic changes are needed for the fans sake. After all the team is playing for us, we in essence pay the salaries for the players and the profits for the owners. It is disrespectful to us to put this product on the ice night after night only to piss us off. Only one team in 30 wins the Cup each year. I understand that, but I would at least like to enjoy the games as worthwhile entertainment and that is not happening now. Start with a coaching change and go from there. Get somebody with a little life in him. Someone who acts like he cares.

  10. bobinsask says:

    Emelin’s play in the second half of the game makes you yearn for Chris Campoli?? Are you serious?? Have you watched Chris Campoli play hockey?

  11. Mutt says:

    For all the Martin supporters who think he’s a winner, even if we squeak into the playoffs here’s Martin playoff record
    Lost in First round
    Lost in Second round
    Lost in First round
    Lost in Second round
    Lost in First round
    Lost in First round
    Lost in First round
    Lost in Second round
    Lost in Conf. Finals
    Lost in First round
    Lost in Conf. Finals (Halak)
    Lost in First round

    TWELVE trips to the playoffs and outside of the Halak miracle he’s made it by the 2nd round only once… this doesn’t count the lost years in Florida when the didn’t eve make the playoff’s, but does include the Ottawa team that had arguable the most talent in the league…

    He’s a survive not a winner, brings system hockey that is good enough to keep him employed but not good enough to actually win anything.

    We better get used to the idea of watching the Leafs and Bruins play hockey while we are preparing for the draft and getting ready for next year…

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’m not a huge fan of JM, but would you give me a break with the (Halak)?! He’s not the first coach to have a good goalie in the playoffs, and he outcoached a coach or 2 in those series as well.
      Even Halak would tell you there were other reasons we won those series. Perhaps Cammalleri had something to do with it too?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • HardHabits says:

        Another Habsluded post from HIO’s chief Habologist.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Feel free to just ignore my posts and I’ll try to do the same from now on to yours.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Mutt says:

        As a Habs fan I am well aware that a goalie can carry a team in the playoffs (71, 86 and 93 come to mind…) but can you tell me with a straight face you think that the great plan was to have Halak face 50 plus shots and Cammi score a key goals. That’s your idea of great coaching. REALLY!!!

        I may be wrong, certainly won’t be the first time, but I wish someone, anyone would point out to me where he has done something that made this team better?

        The list of wrong decisions is way to long…

    • G-Man says:

      Lindy Ruff:
      1997-98 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 36 29 17 0 0.543 Lost in round 3
      1998-99 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 37 28 17 0 0.555 Lost in Finals
      1999-00 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 35 32 11 4 0.518 Lost in round 1
      2000-01 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 46 30 5 1 0.598 Lost in round 2
      2001-02 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 35 35 11 1 0.500 Out of Playoffs
      2002-03 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 27 37 10 8 0.439 Out of Playoffs
      2003-04 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 37 34 7 4 0.518 Out of Playoffs
      2005-06 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 52 24 0 6 0.671 Lost in round 3
      2006-07 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 53 22 0 7 0.689 Lost in round 3
      2007-08 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 39 31 0 12 0.549 Out of Playoffs
      2008-09 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 41 32 0 9 0.555 Out of Playoffs
      2009-10 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 45 27 0 10 0.610 Lost in round 1
      2010-11 Buffalo Sabres NHL Head 82 43 29 0 10 0.585 Lost in round 1

      Barry Trotz:
      1998-99 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 28 47 7 0 0.384 Out of Playoffs
      1999-00 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 28 40 7 7 0.427 Out of Playoffs
      2000-01 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 34 36 9 3 0.488 Out of Playoffs
      2001-02 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 28 41 13 0 0.421 Out of Playoffs
      2002-03 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 27 35 13 7 0.451 Out of Playoffs
      2003-04 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 38 29 11 4 0.555 Lost in round 1
      2005-06 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 49 25 0 8 0.646 Lost in round 1
      2006-07 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 51 23 0 8 0.671 Lost in round 1
      2007-08 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 41 32 0 9 0.555 Lost in round 1
      2008-09 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 40 34 0 8 0.537 Out of Playoffs
      2009-10 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 47 29 0 6 0.610 Lost in round 1
      2010-11 Nashville Predators NHL Head 82 44 27 0 11 0.604 Lost in round 2

      Todd McLellan:
      2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 53 18 0 11 0.713 Lost in round 1
      2009-10 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 20 0 11 0.689 Lost in round 3
      2010-11 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 48 25 0 9 0.640 Lost in round 3

      Ron Wilson:
      1993-94 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Head 84 33 46 5 0 0.423 Out of Playoffs
      1994-95 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Head 48 16 27 5 0 0.385 Out of Playoffs
      1995-96 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Head 82 35 39 8 0 0.476 Out of Playoffs
      1996-97 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL Head 82 36 33 13 0 0.518 Lost in round 2
      1997-98 Washington Capitals NHL Head 82 40 30 12 0 0.561 Lost in Finals
      1998-99 Washington Capitals NHL Head 82 31 45 6 0 0.415 Out of Playoffs
      1999-00 Washington Capitals NHL Head 82 44 24 12 2 0.622 Lost in round 1
      2000-01 Washington Capitals NHL Head 82 41 27 10 4 0.585 Lost in round 1
      2001-02 Washington Capitals NHL Head 82 36 33 11 2 0.518 Out of Playoffs
      2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL Head‡ 57 19 31 0 7 0.395 Out of Playoffs
      2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 43 21 12 6 0.634 Lost in round 3
      2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 44 27 0 11 0.604 Lost in round 2
      2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 26 0 5 0.652 Lost in round 2
      2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 49 23 0 10 0.659 Lost in round 2
      2008-09 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL Head 82 34 35 0 13 0.494 Out of Playoffs
      2009-10 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL Head 82 30 38 0 14 0.451 Out of Playoffs
      2010-11 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL Head 82 37 34 0 11 0.518 Out of Playoffs

      Of the 11 Stanley Cup winning coaches since 2000, only 6 are still coaching. (The late Pat Burns, Scotty Bowman, Bob Hartley, Larry Robinson, and Randy Carlyle are not).

      • tbovs says:

        That is the best postof the year. I nominate now. Great way to put it into perspective. Awesome.

      • Mutt says:

        I don’t consider Lindy Ruff a good coach either, and Ron Wilson is horrible. Barry Trotz built a team from the ground up and has done an amazing job, no one has every said “wow Barry has the most talented team in the league”

        Misleading stat at the end, if Pat was alive and Bowman was willing they’d both be coaching. Carlyle has been out of work for what 2 days, he will land some where. That leaves only 2 as a more realistic number.

        But you are missing my point, or I’m not articulating it well enough, JM does not and has never gotten most out of his team.

        Honestly when was the last time you thought this team or an JM coached team looked like they were playing better than the parts would indicate they should? Not trying to be difficult but having a hard time thinking of a stretch let alone a season or two.

        This team has WAY too much talent to be fighting for a playoff spot. According the the TSN990 this morning coaches around the league think this team has quit on it’s coach… and you can’t get rid of everyone, of wait we tried that already.

        • G-Man says:

          TSN990 is in the business of hyperbole. I saw a team last night that competed against a very good Shark team. Are they inconsistent? Hell, yes! Have they quit on each other or JM? Hell, no.

          • Mutt says:

            Of course it’s hyperbole, but they only seem to fight AFTER they’ve been embarrassed. Let’s see that fight in 2 or three games in a row. Lack of consistency is on the coach, his job is to prepare the team. If the aren’t prepared or don’t work it’s on him. May not be fair but that’s in the job description.

      • DorvalTony says:

        What’s your point? You want one of them as a coach here? Cripes! Irrelevant. Why not post Julien Therien Lemaire Bowman & Vigneault post-Canadiens?

        //Burns is dead, Bowman is well into his ’70′s, Robinson is coaching with NJ (and asked Bob Gainey for 18 months to return here as an ass’t) and Carlisle was fired just this week.

    • DorvalTony says:

      “Rebuilding since 1993.”

  12. twilighthours says:

    I slept peacefully through what sounds like another frustrating collapse. Consequently I am bright and chipper today. My only regret is that I have yet to see Louis Leblanc play.

    How did he look?

    • tbovs says:

      He looked fast and good playmaker for sure. He was hitting solidly on the forecheck and had great chemistry with Eller. Just picture Eller that hits more, thats Louis Leblanc. He can sure hold the puck and protect it sort of like Crosby. Very impressive for a 20 yr old. Next year he should get a shot for sure…more than likely on the wing though…unless we get rid of DD or some other depth guy. I would like to see Pleks(although a trade for a bigger centre might be better), Eller, Leblanc as your top 3 centres in the next 2 years. The future looks good albeit with the wrong coach. I am a big JM supporter because i have played with coaches like him before and I like the system. BUT…I think we need a little more offensive focus and a bit more defensive acountability.

      • G-Man says:

        If he’s not going to bother to watch, why tell him anything?

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          Why the slap in the face? Last I checked, his answering of how LeBlanc played does not concern you.

          I went to bed after the 2nd and I live in the Mountain Time Zone. I was going to tape it, but really, I would have heard the score before I had a chance to watch it. Now, don’t you even dare comment on how big of Habs fan I am… I watch most games (probably 70+… much to the displeasure of my wife).

          Maybe some people don’t want to stay up until past midnight (in the East) to watch the game… people who value their sleep so they can be productive at their job or with their families… Maybe he had a hot girl waiting in the bedroom (definitely more important than a game)…

          Whatever his reasoning was, why should you care if he asks for an opinion and someone replies?

          I think Stubbs hit it right on the head today. To many people are too quick to insult and attack for no good reason. Be it the coach, the players, or fellow posters.

  13. Storm Man says:

    Clap Clap Clap… we got 1 point… Mr Molson are you watching the games? Moen in the SO lord martin just shows the game has passed him by… All I want for christmas is a new coach please santa please…

    • Brinkley says:

      Certainly not a fan of JM or his coaching philosphies. BUT, changes have to start at the highest (hockey) level of management.

      I doubt that Scotty Bowman could do much with the talent (or lack there of) on the Habs roster.

      Molson needs to find a GM who can build a contender (not a PREtender).

      Considering PG’s track record as a NHL GM, I have never understood why people would expect him to build a contender in Montreal.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      In all fairness the habs have sucked at the shootout since it has come in. Price is a great goalie but Shootouts are not his thing and offensively we have trouble scoring. The goalies know shooters tendencies for the most part and I bet there isn’t much a book out there on Moen. He is also second in goals on the team so he has earned that right to have a shot IMO

  14. boonie says:

    This team gas a great core, it’s just not the one PG and BG brought in. We need to build around the new guard – plecs, patches, pk, price. Guys like cammi, gionta, gill (arguably), and moen have value to teams nearer the Cup than us.

    I see Burke as a media whore, but appreciate his ability to turn albatrosses like Stajan and Hagman into assets and over-the-hill rentals like kaberle into prospects and young players. If those inferior assets fetched quality then our aforementioned guys should reap a king’s bounty to put us in the stratosphere within three years.

  15. G-Man says:

    The great Kirk Muller is now 0-2. God Himself is 11-11-2 with 65GF and 76GA. Dale Hunter is 0-2.
    Laffs 14-9-2 with 82GF and 81GA. Ottawa 8th with 77GF and 86GA.
    Despite everything, Habs are still in the hunt.
    By all means, keep throwing players, coaches and management under the bus. It’s all you read here these days.

  16. JF says:

    The main difference in terms of results between this year’s team and last year’s is that, owing largely to the inexperience on our blueline, we are finding it almost impossible to protect a one-goal lead this year. We’ve done it twice all season, once against the Bruins and once against Ottawa. We’ve suffered OT losses twice when we led by two goals. This is an area in which Markov’s return won’t necessarily make much difference. Our inexperienced Dmen are still going to be making mistakes, and I think we just have to live with it.

    Where Markov will certainly make a difference, once he’s back in game shape and has his timing back, is on the powerplay. We miss those perfect cross-ice passes and sneaky backdoor attacks. A few more powerplay goals might mean fewer one-goal leads to defend and therefore a couple more victories.

    But let’s face it. Even with everyone healthy, this is a .500 team. When they’re prepared and playing well, they can be competitive, but they’re not going to win a lot of games against the best teams in the League. We just don’t have the experience or the depth on defence. People who are calling for JM’s head should look at the facts. A new coach might have a brief honeymoon period (or maybe not, if Washington and Carolina are anything to go by), but he would face the same problems. Inexperience, lack of depth, an offence that often sputters or fires blanks.

    The team played a great game last night, and were one bad rebound away from winning it in regulation. Cammy had perhaps his best game this season, as did Desharnais. They competed hard and, despite being physically over-matched, held their ground. In fact, the Anaheim game is one of only about three this season in which they didn’t give it everything they had. They just don’t have a whole lot.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      the handling of the Wiz was stupid u got a chance to sing a stud D when u other is out u just do it and deal with it when Markov come back you can always trade one for a 1 rounder if need to make room for cap space ,same with Georges why not give him a extention now!

    • 24 Cups says:

      Just went on the site after sleeping in. Why do I get the feeling that this is the post where I should stop scrolling down and discontinue reading any more comments?

      We lost an overtime tilt, on back-to-back road games in an extended shootout to one of the top seeded teams in the West. Sure didn’t look like a team was quitting on their coach or themselves.

      The only thing you could question is the use of Moen in the shootout. AK46 might have been the next best option. It doesn’t say much (about them) that Pleks and Eller weren’t chosen.

      • JF says:

        Steve – The team played a great game. They never stopped working, their speed gave the Sharks fits, and Price stood on his head a couple of times.

        As for the shootout, I don’t see why Moen was a bad choice. He’s among our top scorers this season, and he’s scored some pretty goals. Plekanec is not good at shootouts, and I don’t believe I’ve ever seen Andrei Kostitsyn score a shootout goal. JM could have tried Eller, Leblanc or Palushaj, but that’s about it. Both Markov and Pacioretty are good at it.

        I think the team should routinely end their practice with a bit of shootout practice. JM might be able to spot an unlikely sniper, and I think it could be a fun way to end the practice.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Only the Islanders have scored fewer goals than the Canadiens in the east.

  17. HardHabits says:

    4 teams are guaranteed to make the play-offs IMO:

    the Penguins, Rangers, Flyers, and Bruins.

    That leaves the guaranteed by for at least one team in the SE Division (Panthers look like they’ll take the SE this year) which means three available spots for the 8 remaining teams. Canes and Isles IMO are out of it.

    The 8 teams vying for 3 play-off spots are:

    Leafs, Sabres, Sens, Devils, Caps, Bolts, Habs, and Jets.

    Habs will probably finish between 10th and 12th in the East and not make the play-offs this year.

    Hey but we got a chance to see all those prospects at training camp and in the pre-season.

    ========

    As for last night’s game. When will JM learn that 3-2 is not time to return to the system. I said it once during the mini 4 game win streak and I will reiterate it. JM is a recidivist.

    • V says:

      Breaking your sentances into individual paragraphs makes your writing feel more assured and authoritative.

      It’s largely conjecture, but the presentation makes it feel like sound prediction based on a studied and thorough anaylsis.

      I don’t agree with your conclusions, but I certainly admire the format.

      I don’t think it will work for me but I’m going to try it.

      • HardHabits says:

        Don’t let paragraph structure prejudice your reasoning. There are 8 teams vying for 3 spots. The Habs are in tough to be one of those 3 teams.

        I don’t even think Jacques Lemaire could resuscitate this dying franchise.

        • The Cat says:

          Plus you got to put in a Southern team in there, Washington will most likely get it together and win the division, so theres 3 spots up for grabs IMO.

          Edit: I just reread about the southern team, I missed it no doubt I was sidetracked admiring the superb layout of the post.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • V says:

            See. He’s got killer paragraph structure. Completely obfuscates. You won’t be seeing clearly for the rest of the day.

        • DorvalTony says:

          Lost in the Sargasso sea more than dying. The Gainey era is dying.

  18. Habsrule1, I love your positivity, but everyone who is upset and calling for heads to role have been watching the demise of this team and the way it used to be run (70′s and 80′s) without making the same mistakes over and over. Markov, for whatever he was, was a big dollar mistake to the cap. At $5 million and two years of no playing. Forget Gomez and Gionta and the loss of MdDonaugh and so many other talents. You’d think the management of the Habs understand hockey and injuries. They clearly don’t. Whatever loyalty they had to Markov was a mistake. I had my knee repaired and have played with dozens of skiers and skaters with the same affliction. With two reconstructions of the ACL, Mr. Markov will not last 10 games on NHL ice. That is a fact. You cannot rebuild a knee to original status. So how could they spend $15 million? Was that a golden parachute for him and a thank you while the Canadiens deal with ineffective and even damaging players like Weber? There are some good (not great) players on the Habs, but no leadership, no spirit builders and behind the bench, sorry Mr. Boone, JM is pathetic, doesn’t stand up for players, no shouting, no shaking fists at the continually inept zebras and joke Shanny inconsistencies and calling out Max-Pac when black and yellows skate and hit with impunity. it is a laughable league and the Habs have unfortunately succumbed to it. Just think of how the Rocket would have responded. A right to the head and a va chiez! That’s the spirit we need and it was knocked out of Subban. Too bad, he was able to get a crowd roaring, now he’s turned into a liability because he is forced to calm down. Anyone remember Serge Savard being calmed down when he did too many 360′s? Screw the league and Bettman and put some flying anythings on the ice. Let’s get PK to infuriate the opposition. Let’s rattle their cages and let Cammy be the sniper he is. Let Cole run into the goalies on the opposing teams and let’s let the coaching staff thumb their nose at the league. Molson will still make his money and who cares what the league or any other team thinks? It’s what Habs fans and the owners think. How can they hold their heads up high even if the team was just an investment for Molson? Right now it is valued by Forbes at $450 million, making the third most money behind Toronto at some $44 million a year. With the Gomez and Markov contract that is about $10 million less in profit for Molson. You’d think he would understand the profit and asset value issue? He’s down $50 million on his asset and $10 million in cash flow. Looks like beer prices are going to $15 each. So forget Markov and focus on building some spine and spirit into this management and team. Otherwise it’ll just be pathetic for the rest of the year and beyond. Perhaps 40 plus years without the puck will shake them up? Perhaps not.

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • G-Man says:

      Pehaps a little space between subject changes? TLTR.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I agree with much of wat you said. I feel that this particular team could probably do better with a better communicator for a coach. Teams with very few young guys don’t need as much guidance or encouragement, but I see this young team (mainly the D) as a team that could use more communication and encouragement from the coach. I know they are veterans who can do that, but I just think having the coach do more of it may help. I also think that this team needs to use it’s speed and skill more because they do have it. I also think Gionta fits into this team very well. He is a hard worker and a leader. Subban also needs a coach that will say just do your thing. These types of players are why there are 5 other guys on the ice. If he makes a mistake, we have 5 other quality guys, ending with Carey Price, to bail him out….but if he doesn’t, he creates amazng scoring chances. I also am fine with letting the young D get better, surrounded by a couple good veterans. I disagree about Markov. I think the Habs have some good doctors that would not advise them that Markov will be ok if he’s not. Hell if he comes back at 75% for 3 years, he’s still better than about 75% of the D in the NHL. If he hadn’t been signed, and the bruins got him and he was very good, even just for 1 season, we would have never heard the end of it.
      We have a good mix of youth and veterans. Let the year play out, with or without JM, and go from there.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • idle says:

      Sounds like you would enjoy being a Bruins fan

  19. slamtherimtim says:

    Off to ocho rios. Heres hoping we have a new coach when i get back. This team is depressing.

  20. montreal ace says:

    We got a point last night because of Price, he had a stellar game. The team tried as hard as it could, did not give up on the coach, and showed some good play while getting the point. I have no problems with Moen for the shoot out, he has played well this season and scored some nice goals. While I was watching the game, I thought if a player had run Louis, they would have had to deal with guy who was watching out for him, in a big brother kind of way. Price will get better in the shoot out as he has in all aspects of his game, but for me its enough that he gets us there now. DD what a great game in the land of the giants, and the over all team play has stopped me from going over to the dark side. Last thing Emilin what a tank, I love the way the guy hits and takes a hit, hope to see a few more next game with a win.

  21. doogie says:

    Time for the Christmas “wish list”

    PK- sports psychologist
    Cammy- case of Gatorade
    Pleks- a pair of snuggy pajamas and a rest
    Hall- replacement shin pads
    Eller-a red lightbulb, so he knows what it looks like
    MaxPac- a Shany voodoo doll
    JMartin- the Inspector Clouseau dvd collection to help find “a clue”
    Pierre Goat- some scouts with supreme snow tires

    More on the list…….

  22. Bim says:

    Another great night..another great loss! Only 8 points up now on those mighty Jackets. I can hear the fat lady singing now for that first draft pick. Better get rid of the current regime though before that or they will draft a few more little men. Teams must be just ringing their hands together knowing the get the soft Canadiens the next game. Terrible defence! Supposed to be a Martin strength. Can the end be near for him…please!! Maybe he can team up with Gomez somewhere else? Take your time coming back China doll. You’re not going to make much of a difference anyway.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Reading above Hulking Shark ,Lack of Size and Dept now not only ours forwards are small so is the D, MC Do.. doing good with the Rangers O Brien etc… Gainey s did not have to sign the smurfs he could have wait with is cap space and 2mil.. for Martin if fire early ,that just prove hockey player don’t necessary make good GM .Edmonton had to let go of some ex players turn coach that did not pan out why not us if you let go Martin you could get a cheaper coach like Nolan

  23. Habsrule1 says:

    The fans on this site are unbelievable. the Habs lose to one of the very good teams in the western conference…in a shootout, no less…and everyone is pissed. Why not look at the positives? We came 87 seconds and a bad rebound away from beating them in regulation, with a very young D that will improve over time.
    Calling Diaz a waste of a signing after he’s played a whole 20-something games in the NHL proves how ridiculous some posters are. Taking the jump to the NHL is hard at any position. You can at least double that for a defenseman.
    No, the team is not doing as well as I expected right now, but as some have said before me, let’s at least wait until Markov, our best player when he’s healthy, is back, and make an assessment after a few games with him.
    And for whoever said we made it to the ECF without him….just imagine if he had been there.
    I’m a bit tired of JM myself, but when you see the way this team can compete on some nights, it just looks like most of our difficulties are due to growing pains with much of our D, including PK. People forget he’s only in his 2nd year himself.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • The Cat says:

      Pinning hopes, and making like hes a saviour, on a guy whose had 2 knee surgeries and hasnt played in a long time is also unbelievable by the by.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Yes, and I am not doing that, but there’s no denying the Habs are a better team with a healthy Markov in the lin-up, is there? That alone likely would have gotten us past the bruins in the playoffs. With all the young D we have, we are pretty much where we should be. As to why we are in the situation that we are with the D, it’s due to injury mainly, but also an inability to get or keep some better depth D-Men, which is not JM’s fault.
        Again, I’m not crazy about JM either, but I don’t think he should take most of the blame, but I also think we should have a more offensive minded coach. Then again, with this D, that might be very risky too.
        Tough call.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • The Cat says:

          Ever since the 0-1 loss to Boston, I been sold on the young D-corps that was dressed for that game. They were sharp. The forwards are the problem with this team.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            No way. Due to 1 game you were sold? The D has made many mistakes causing goals. They are young so they will have some good and some bad games. That’s not to say the forwards cannot improve, but the D is the main issue.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • The Cat says:

            Habsrule, yes they will make mistakes, just saying Id be comfortable going forward with that group (the group that played in the Boston game, they played great IMO) and let them learn as they go along. Gill and Spacek arent going to improve and are slow.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I still think we need veteran experience and leadership, but I’m also all for giving all our young D a proper chance as opposed to the “Diaz sucks, get rid of him” mentality after 20 NHL games.
            That said, if a couple of them in a package can fetch something good, go for it.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • DorvalTony says:

            Yes and Price is not the world beater his fans insist he is. He can’t even get out of the first round. Last night as soon as the CH scored he’d let one in and in the shootout, well…he’s Scarey this year. Why do his fans keep making excuses for him? Theodore’s got better stats.

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    • HardHabits says:

      The only person who is unbelievable is you HR1. You are HIO’s foremost Habologist.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        If you ever had anything good to say about the team you’d be a bit more credible. The team played well last night, lost in a SO against a very good team, and all you can see are negatives….again.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HardHabits says:

          I see positives. The worse the Habs play the higher the draft pick.

          There.

          Now for the negatives. The better they play the lower the draft pick.

          Now for the reality check. Either way they are missing the play-offs this season.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Well, I think they can still make the playoffs. I guess only time will tell.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • athanor says:

        -ologist as a suffix does not work the way you are expecting it to work.
        If you are going to use nonce words to deride someone, at least use ones that make sense.

        You certainly aren’t pointing at Habsrule as knowledgeable about the Habs.

        From your context, I think something like Haboholic might work better. But it is still a lame ad hominem argument.

  24. RetroMikey says:

    Win some….lose some…win some….lose some… Win some….lose some…win some….lose some…..it goes on and on with this inconsistent club of ours.
    Am I excited about this club of ours? Hell no!!
    We are like guppys in a fish tank….bottom feeders in a fish tank!
    Let’s tank, trade away Pleks, Cammy, Gionta, GIll, Weber, etc… to name a few while their stock is still good for youth, and draft picks.
    We are not going anywhere far with this club and I’d rather see us rebuild than watch a bunch of old lazy ass overpaid farts don a Habs jersey and play out there on ice.
    Everyone blames the coach, but even if you had a Lindy Ruff or a Mike Babcock, we still would be a very weak team playing under their system!
    So time to blow the ship and come to reality that this team is nothing more than a bunch of guppys.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  25. --Habs-- says:

    Why not Price rather than Moen! Price is better with the puck!

    • The Cat says:

      Price better worry more about his own end, he aint exactly lights out in the shootouts.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • G-Man says:

        More like Light’s On in the Shoot-Outs anyway. ;)

      • Man Dingga says:

        It wouldn’t have gone to a shootout if Weber hadn’t been directly responsible for the first two goals. Pricey let out a juicy rebound on the third so thats on him. Price is clearly struggling with them this year but to be honest JM and the shooters aren’t helping him either. Why Moen and Subban shot before Plekanec is beyond me.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I guess you and Boone haven’t noticed that Moen is tied for 2nd on the team in goals.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • DorvalTony says:

      Now *there’s* a myth!

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  26. V says:

    For the Martin haters, I would be very surprised to see Martin leaving anytime soon. Not with the team still playing for him, holding their own without a full roster and with so many people on the verge of returning – especially with what has to be one of the youngest, least experienced defensive corps in the league. Plus, they are not out of it despite the doom and gloom predictions by some. No excuses, just the situation as I see it.

    The team has played better than it’s record – maybe three real stinkers out of all their losses and they have been pretty strong in most every other game. And the losing streak to start the season colours things.

    At a minimum, he gets a chance to work with the full team to see what we really have. They are a decent PP away from a significantly better record and based on history, Markov should improve that.

    Firing Martin before we ice our full team (there will be still guys cycling in and out) would be unfair. But if he can’t win with the full team, it’s bye bye time.

    • Mutt says:

      You really think this team has played better than its record? Out side of MaxPac (and that’s because of the uncertainty of the injury) I can’t think of one player that is playing better than expected. I don’t have time to list the number of under-performers on this team.

      He has no idea how to get the best out of what he has, I mean Moen on a shootout, really? Of course this is from the same guy that thinks Darche on a power play is a good idea.

      The injury excuse is for losers, EVERY team in the league deals with it, hell Boston won a cup without the number one centre and Pittsburgh has survived with Sid and Gino for long stretches…

      Right now we are so bad that even when a team beats us the still fire their coach… ouch!

      • V says:

        Yes I really do. And injuries are not an excuse… they are a rational reason for a team underpeforming. That’s why I think he stays where he is until management evaluates performance with a full roster – which it should be able to do in December.

        • Mutt says:

          If you look at the man games missed we haven’t had a “a full roster” for nearly 3 years… teams NEVER have one.

          For me the the bottom line is that he is not getting the most out of what he has, as I suspect he own’t get the most out of “a full roster” what ever that is. And if we wait, then we might as well ride this puppy out till the end of the year and put up with a summer of Leaf and Bruin fans giving us the hard time we so richly deserve for not fixing the fixable.

          • V says:

            You’re right… I should have qualified ‘full’ roster. I meant a roster that has the majority of your key players in it for an extended period of time. And I think he stays until he has a run with a ‘full’ roster and management can truly evaluate things.

            People are just grounding this team into the dirt… they played well last night on a second night of back to back games against a very good team. They have lots of very solid games and lost. And people are calling them bums… the criticism just feels completely out of proportion to the actual situation.

      • HardHabits says:

        The Habs have about a 20% chance of making the play-offs and I am being generous with that. See my comment above.

      • DorvalTony says:

        The studs are killing us: Price, Cammer, PK. Very disappointing.

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  27. I agree that Moen should be further down the SO list… like… another 5 or 6 slots down, but he is second in the the team in goals this year. so… that’s something.

    http://www.puckbandits.com

  28. The Cat says:

    Theres nothing wrong with putting Moen in the SO for Gods sake. If there are players that cant score as much as the next guy on a breakaway in a SO, then they shouldnt be in the NHL. Of course theres variance but over the course of 100 attempts, all should be within the same vicinity of success. Forwards I mean.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  29. TOP DAWG says:

    AK or LL should have went before PK in the shootout.

    For the love of all things holy Martin has to go. He has NO CLUE!

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

  30. TOP DAWG says:

    I’m sick of hearing about Markov. He is damaged goods. Just let him walk, if he can!

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

  31. --Habs-- says:

    Moen is what 2nd in scoring on the team! Why not! He probably has the best shooting percentage on the team to boot!! OK OK I’m just kidding! This is telling me that JM is now out guessing himself and he’s not thinking with common sense or simply out thinking himself! How about giving the young rookie Leblanc a chance to prove himself! Oh ya Martian time to get on the space ship.

  32. tom13 says:

    Gauthier and Martin has to go the guys have stop playing for them before we lose all hope. Maybe being in the bottom 4 in the league is what Mr Molson wants we have some good young players, it just seems they’ve given up

  33. HabFanSince72 says:

    The salary cap is roughly 65K. Let’s that any team spending less than 60K is voluntarily underspending. In that if they had spent that money they would be a better team.

    This year 15 teams are underspending.

    This means that a cap team ought to be making the playoffs every year – barring catastrophic injuries.

    Gauthier’s plan to “always be competitive” is in fact complete BS. If you are willing to overpay UFAs and spend the cap you ought to be in the top 15 every year, and therefore either in the playoffs or fighting for a spot the entire year.

    It’s not an achievement of any sort.

  34. hirky says:

    One thing that is laughable…even given our poor management and poor coach….we are only a couple pts from the playoffs…and if you want to think BIG…we are only 10 or so pts out of 1st in the EASTERN CONFERENCE!! That is only a couple small win streaks away….and once Carey catches fire….LOOK OUT!!

    That is my looking through my Habs glasses at a half full glass of milk while the sun is shining on it…LOL

    GO HABS!! LA KINGS SUCK!!

  35. hirky says:

    I realize you put your best forwards out for the SO so that you give yourself the best possibility to win but I think maybe JM was throwing the Sharks a curveball. I bet none of the NHL goaltenders have the book on Moen’s SO moves…LOL.

    Given the recent trend i wouldnt be surprised to see the Habs either make a trade or send JM packing. It seems like the trendy thing to do. I think the excuse train is the only reason they havent done anything. If the team was 100% healthy and losing games then JM would have no legs to stand on. But since we are missing so many Dmen i think the Molson family is cutting JM some slack.

    PP a bust..on its only opportunity mind you. I just dont get it…if it is broke…FIX IT!! TRY SOMETHING….ANYTHING!!!

    Not sure why they continue to dress Palushaj…for a hair over 3mins of ice time he might as well just stay home. He is better suited for Hamilton.

    Plek’s was a nightmare in the faceoff dot again too…man they need some help in that dept. The need an experienced veteran to come in and tutor them on how to win a draw.

    Louis was looking dangerous tonight with Eller…but 0 shots…WTF!! I know he wont stick with the big club but I think he is making a case. Not understanding why they wouldnt let him try his hand at the SO, what was there to lose. The kid is here for some NHL experience why not let him try and score a winner. What better confidence booster is there than that.

    Nice to see Eller getting more ice time than Darche for once, he also looks to be starting to get into his groove. With some quality linemates the kid looks like a star.

    Lastly i am making my daily rant about not trying Emelin on the PP, I think in the KHL he was dangerous shooting from the point. Why not try him back there…our guys now just wind up howitzers that only scare the people in the first couple rows behind the glass on either side of the net. Goalies just watch as they all flinch. There is no hope the shots are actually going to hit the net.

    That’s my 2 cents…thanks for listening.

    • Clay says:

      Putting Moen in the shootout isn’t a curve ball – it’s just stupid.

      __________________________
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  36. Bob_Sacamano says:

    You really would rather see Campoli and Spacek (probably along with Gill) than Emelin? That´s laughable as was blaming him for San José´s second goal last night. Well, he might make a mistake now and then others don´t but how often does Gill not get to the puck first because he´s the slowest player in this league? How often does Spacek look awful because he´s soft like Butter? Campoli? A player we don´t need at all if Markov comes back…

    When it comes to this team, there´s a lot more potential than the standings suggest. Time for a new head coach to come in.

  37. The Pickle says:

    How did AK not get a shootout attempt ahead of Moen and PK?

  38. homerbowen says:

    Ho Hmmm another loss. Gauthier must go as he does not know how to build an NHL team. Go BIG or go home. It’s going to be a very long and painful season particularily when Boston and the Laffs are doing so well. Geez do they have big” teams??

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Habs had an awful start to the season, Toronto had a very good one. That´s the five points difference. In the last six weeks they have not been better.

      • Mozeby says:

        I hate Toronto as much as the next guy here, but they’ve played much better than Montreal this year. I’ve seen Montreal blow at least 4 3rd period leads. Kinda sounds like the Leafs from a year or 2 ago. I was completely expecting them to fall apart when Reimer got hurt, but they’ve been hanging in there. The difference is, they’re scoring and Montreal isn’t. Besides Pac, and maybe Cole, the rest of the guys seem to be down and next to invisible most nights. If it weren’t for Carey, this team would be further down in the standings.

    • smiler2729 says:

      I agree Gauthier must go.

      BUT-

      Montreal seems to be the only team in the NHL that knows how to beat Boston. We\re 2-1-0 against ‘em with the one loss being that 1-0 flukefest where Timmy’s horseshoe was firmly stuck in there.

      As for Toronto, I’m at a loss as to why the Habs can’t or won’t play better vs. them.

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  39. emann_222 says:

    Tough Loss? Yes.

    But nowhere near as frustrating as the loss to the Ducks on Wednesday. The team competed tonight against a much more superior team. Managing a point was success IMHO.

    This loss came at the hands of the coaching staff that sent out Travis Moen and PK Subban on the shoot-out, when there was clearly much better options on the bench.

    Read more (http://bit.ly/vNqv74) in this post: “Canadiens Compete Hard Against the Best – Fold to the Worst.”

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  40. Marc10 says:

    That late goal in the Third was off another line change.

    Looking at the Shark D and then at ours, I’ll take the point. Burns, Demers, Vlasic, Boyle,… That’s an NHL D.

  41. Nobody says:

    Disheartening you say? Deshar(t)enais I say.

  42. sampson12 says:

    JM must have had a hunch putting Moen in on the shootout. He’s shown he can given breakaways the rare times he gets the chance. Maybe hes been lights out in shootouts in practice. He had a decent move, just couldnt hit the target.

  43. ZimHabwe says:

    I wonder if anyone has noticed that this season most of the games in which Spacek has played, we have won. I know everyone here is a coach and a GM but firing the coach will not change anything. If you play close attention to the games you will notice that our defence is what is hurting us. I don’t know about you but I panic everytime that puck goes behind our blue line.

  44. habsperspective says:

    You know no matter which way you look at it. The team is average. Not bad, Not great. At 10-16, it even looks worse then average, but when you consider Prices ineptitude in shooutouts, three of those losses the team would of won. So really they are 13-13, a 500 team, and average team.

    Regardless of the baffling choices you consider the coach is making. It doesnt change that this team is still average. For all intents and purposes no gomer, no squid (leg problem from Winnipeg still), no markov, no spacek, and no power play. No team could realistic expect to be better without that.

    Everything starts and ends with Markov. You start the season better prepared, most everything else thats happened since, is irrelevant.

    You want to fire some numskulls, start with the non hockey money making brass up top, who truly are the puppet masters, you make as much money as this franchise does, honestly the end product doesnt matter. Economics has caused much short sighted introspective, and complacency. Really it models the Leafs organization of the last 40 years.

    But there atleast an average team with a chance to be a little better, with all the cogs in place. But not as she stands currently, its to AHL ish.

    • emann_222 says:

      I was with you much of the way till you say that “Everything starts and ends with Markov”.

      We had no Markov 2 years ago when we went to the ECF. We had no Markov last year when we defeated the Bruins solidly during the regular season, improved our record, and took the eventual Stanley Cup champs to seven games (and overtime to boot).

      The team needs more than Markov to solve their issues. They need to start showing up for every game, and to compete for a full 60 minutes a night.

      I agree the defense is the problem. PK needs to get less selfish and Gill needs to regain some speed.

      But the reality is – Weber is not NHL caliber on the “D” and Emelin will need to be developed a wee bit more (mind you I really like what I see in him). Diaz lacks as well.

      I sure hope we’re not hanging it all on Markov, because if we do – we’re going to be let down.

      PS> Let’s talk about the “needing a bilingual coach” travesty.

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      • Clay says:

        Interesting that you mention that ‘They need to start showing up for every game, and to compete for a full 60 minutes a night.’ We used to have players who did that in Moore and Halpern, to name a couple. But they were discarded like yesterday’s trash…a team needs players like this, who work hard and can score big goals at key times. Now we have Darche to fill this role. He does work hard, but the talent just isn’t there.

        I’m not saying Darche is the problem – I’m saying that letting these other players go is – or at least a big part of it.

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  45. Rickly33 says:

    How can we take anything good that, i think some have taken average as acceptable. I hope this only last so long, cause at this moment we are no better than the leafs were last year, not even a question. Just getter done

  46. badbalance says:

    Ak in the shootout? Nahh, jm wants penalty killers on the shootout. Honestly, u know there’s a problem with the team when u see AK showing more heart then the rest of the team

  47. AceMagnum says:

    I got a good one…. Fire Jacques Martin.

  48. Un Canadien errant says:

    Before the game started, RDS was cycling through the NHL news and back-to-back mentioned that Mike Grier had announced his retirement, and that the Bruins were sending Jordan Caron down to the AHL. I immediately thought how either or both of these players would make our team instantly stronger, mitigating the lack of depth and plugging giant holes on our fourth line, and even nowadays on our third line.

    The Canadiens played a second game in two nights, on the road and jet-lagged, yet showed more spring in their step, more fight along the boards, and more creativity offensively. We saw Alexei Emelin flatten Joe Pavelski with a thundering hit in the middle of the ice. Erik Cole suffered the same fate against Jason Demers, and showed determination in getting up, readjusting his cup and his grasp on his personal identity and consciousness, chasing down his pinwheeling stick, to then grab the puck in the defensive zone and rush it into the Sharks zone. We saw David Desharnais produce offensively, after being relatively quiet on the score sheet over the last few games, and win a puck battle against gigantic Joe Thornton that led to Erik Cole’s goal. To achieve this, Mr. Desharnais had to show resolve despite the foregone conclusion that he was wasting his time, since it is dogma that he is too small to be an effective NHL centre.

    Benoit Brunet attributed the higher energy level displayed by the Glorieux on the Price-Budaj Effect, whereby they play with more confidence and enthusiasm with Carey in nets. He argued that the Canadiens should have gone for the ‘sure’ two points in Anaheim by playing their #1 goalie, and then taking their chances at two much more elusive points with Mr. Budaj against a stronger Sharks team, and in hindsight it’s hard to disagree with his logic.

    When the Canadiens went into overtime, we saw how their brisk skating pace and crisp passing is an advantage when playing four-on-four. The action was relentless, up and down the ice, and the Canadiens weren’t outclassed by the big bad Sharks. It led the dreamier Canadiens fan to wonder how much better hockey would be if the skilled players had a bigger ice surface to work with. This fan then wonders how much more exciting the game would be if all the half-slashes and full-crosschecks were called by the refs. He fantasizes about how the team might have fared if it had opted to draft Jarome Iginla rather than Terry Ryan. He then wonders how much better a job he would have done had he produced and directed the reincarnated ‘Charlie’s Angels’, given Minka Kelly and a casting couch. The fan then snaps back to reality, and just in time, as Mathieu Darche is about to join the rush.

    The shootout again proved to be Carey Price’s kryptonite. The Sharks’ pro scouts apparently had done their job, as their shooters seemed to have a very definite plan, going low stick-side on repeated successful attempts. Evidently Mr. Price and Pierre Groulx have yet more work to do. It was gratifying to see the Canadiens shooters succeed, wince-inducing to hear Mike Cammalleri’s shot ping off the post, and puzzling to see PK Subban taking the last attempt while Tomas Plekanec was still available on the bench.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

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    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Pleks is pretty lousy in the shootout for whatever reason. The eyebrow-raiser for me would be Moen over Eller or Leblanc.

    • FormalWare says:

      As always, UCE, a great read.

      It wasn’t big Ryane Clowe whom Emelin flattened, though; it would take a Zdeno Chara to send Clowe flying that far. It was considerably smaller Joe Pavelski.

      If Eller were pronounced “Ell-ay”, Larry would be #2 with a bullet!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thanks for pointing out the error, I’ll edit my post to show that it was Little Joe who was felled by the mighty Alexei.

        Ryane Clowe
        Left Wing
        Born Sep 30 1982 — Fermeuse, NFLD
        Height 6.02 — Weight 225 — Shoots R

        Joe Pavelski
        Center
        Born Jul 11 1984 — Stevens Point, WI
        Height 5.11 — Weight 195 — Shoots R

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        How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

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