About last night … with audio

Getzlaf

This was the game that would set the tone for the California trip … and provide the Canadiens with their best chance to win.

The Ducks had won ONE game in November.
They are 29th in the league and reeling.
The Ducks are so bad they fired the coach WHO WON THE GAME!
Randy Carlyle out.
Bruce Boudreau in.
Jacques Martin unchanged.

And to possibly save his coach’s job, Carey Price has to stand on his head in San Jose Thursday night.

Can the goaltender stymie the Sharks?

Sure.

But what’s the point? Your Montreal Canadiens are, at best, a mediocre hockey team that faces a steep uphill climb to make the playoffs.

If you figure 96 points punches a ticket to the postseason dance, the Canadiens will have to reap 72 from their remaining 57 games.

Do-able?

Sure … if you believe the team we saw in Anaheim is capable of putting together a winning streak that will propel them northward in the standings.

Of course, that wasn’t the team we hope to be seeing. Max Pacioretty will be back in the lineup when the Canadiens return to Montreal and face the might Columbus Blue Jackets at the Bell Centre on Tuesday.

Maybe Andrei Markov will play. Maybe not.

By then, the mess in Anaheim will be a distant memory … especially if it’s matched by no-shows in San Jose and Los Angeles.

Factoring in the quality of opposition, this might have been the Canadiens’ worst game of the season.

Shall we enumerate the horrors:

• The power-play went 0-for-7. That’s a first this season … although it’s gone 0-for-6 once, 0-for-5 three times and 0-for-4 five times.

• P.K. Subban took two penalties, running his season total to 15 minors, one fewer than Sheldon Souray, the league leader among defencemen.

• I watched the game in my basement and had zero shots on goal, thus matching the total of Tomas Plekanec and Mike Cammalleri combined.

• Trailing 2-1 and very much in it when the third period began, the Canadiens took 15 minutes to get their first shot: a Subban lob from centre ice that did not test Jonas Hiller.

• Mathieu Darche had 1:12 on the power-play, Lars Eller 28 seconds.

But this is what said it all for me:

With the Canadiens two goals down and about 90 seconds left, Jacques Martin pulled Peter Budaj. And as an extra attacker jumped on, Gord Dwyer blew his whistle.

The referee hadn’t noticed the empoty Montreal net. And I’ll bet dollars to donuts this was Dwyer’s thought process:

“Of course they have too many men on the ice. This is the stumbling, bumbling Montreal Canadiens. They take bench minors all the time.”

It’s so sad.

And I don’t see things getting a lot better in San Jose or L.A.

The Canadiens’ game was the third I watched this week, after the Rangers and Penguins – a cracker! – on Monday night and Boston-Toronto earlier Wednesday evening.

Know something?

Based on what I saw, all four of those teams are better than the Canadiens … by a lot.

Yes, even the Leafs.

They lost 6-3 to the red-hot Bruins at the ACC, but the Leafs battled. They have young, talented guys who play hard.

While Pleks and Cammalleri were combining for a goose egg, Phil Kessel and Joffrey has seven shots between them.

It would be too painful to write about how good the Bruins were.

Or to dwell on the ineptitude of the Canadiens.

Forbes magazine says the Canadiens are worth $445 million – third in the league behind Toronto and Detroit.

If the Canadiens go 0-for-California, a distinct possibility, will Geoff Molson eat the last two seasons of Jacques Martin’s contract, plus an early-termination penalty clause rumoured to be $2 million?

The siren would no sooner sound on a loss in L.A. than they’ll be out with torches and pitchforks in Montreal.

But I’m sipping a cold one in the aforementioned basement at 1:15 a.m. and thinking neither Scotty Bowman nor Toe Blake could squeeze Ws out of this lineup.

Darche, Frederic St. Denis, the Swiss Cheeses, Petteri Nokelainen … and your highlight reel is Hal Gill out on an ice floe, killing another 5-on-3.

This ain’t the 1976 Montreal Canadiens.

Or the 1956 Canadiens.

And watching Saku Koivu, you could get nostalgic for the 2006 club.

OK, enough doom and gloom … for now.

On to San Jose.

202 Comments

  1. TommyB says:

    I’ve watched some stinkers the last couple of years, but last night takes the prize. First off, why wouldn’t you use Price and grab a quick two points to start off the road trip? Sure, maybe it wouldn’t have made a difference, but how many times has he saved the day? Could have been enough to squeak out the win. But going with the backup, against a floundering team, surely was disrespecting them and throwing salt in their wounds, and they responded well to it.

    What’s with PK? He is clearly not the same exhuberant player he was and is reverting to dumb penalties, and what looks to me like otherwise nonchalant play. The same can be said for most of our forwards, who we rely on to get those precious couple of goals we need to eke out a win in JM’s brilliant system of play.

    The Habs don’t air their dirty laundry (unless they are in Russia over the summer), but last night sure looked like a team that is screaming for change. And I’ve said before, it’s not so much the system as it is the bench management during games. I think most of the players have given up on JM, and possibly PG as well. The constant line-mixing, the questionable matchups and the way talent is used in different situations, the dreadful powerplay, and in PG’s case, the failure to provide quality help during an injury crisis.

    I think the players sense that a shakeup is coming, but not behind the bench. Maybe some players want to be moved out of town, maybe some fear being moved out of town. Either way, it can be an uncomfortable situation.

    The only chance this team has to salvage the year is to replace the coaching staff…that’s right, all of them. The dismissing of Pearn didn’t go anywhere near far enough. The two remaining assistant’s seemed to be grabbing the bull by the horns initially, following Pearn’s departure, but JM has found a sense of security again and is exercising total control as the head guy. Seriously, who fires an assistant coach to shakeup a team? JM was the one who needed to go, and most hockey fans and writers realize that. That again is where PG’s blame comes in. Why was a middle-of-the-road coach, reputation-wise and record-wise, given such a long contract, along with a lucrative penalty clause to the club if they should can him? Why?

    Even if a new coach was found immediately, it may be too late to turn this thing around. An “interim” generic brand of a coach probably couldn’t save the day, and a proven coach at the NHL level would still have trouble dissecting and righting the ship. It would take a bit of time. But the cash still rolls in, eh! Third highest earning franchise in the league. And that is why Molson purchased the team, and for that reason only. Business is, after all, just business.

    • The Dude says:

      That floundering team “Ducks” has more talent than the Habs have had for all 20 of the last years …Getslaf is unreal!
      The two forms of Hab fans a) Thick and thin Hab fan who don’t care if they ever win a Cup again and whom preach patience and tell other Hab fans they suck ,lol b) Fans like me who can’t believe the gift this 19 year rebuild has given the Hab fan ….what a pile and where’s the shovel!

    • RGM says:

      Unless Price would have had a shutout last night, wouldn’t have mattered a hill of beans whether they started him, Budaj, or the ghost of David Aebischer. If you do not score, you do not win. Goaltending is not the problem with this squad.

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      • TommyB says:

        Not saying goaltending is the problem. I’m saying I would have started the road trip off by going with my best, regardless of who the opposition is. And Price is the best, not Budaj.

  2. cashbagg says:

    JM won’t get fired as he has compromising pictures of Jeff Molson and is using them as blackmail.

    Darche won’t get benched because he has compromising pictures of JM and is using them as blackmail.

  3. adamkennelly says:

    If last night’s game is not enough to get Martin fired – what will it take? That was f-ng pathetic…Darche sure looked good on the PP and PK…wow…oh and also – our F are not too small…Gio, Cammy and DD looked great out there aginst Ryan, Getz and Perry….embarrassing…also – I would trade PK..his value is dropping like a rock and I don’t think he’ll ever smarten up enough to reach his potential…

  4. Kooch7800 says:

    This team has put up way too many stinkers already this early in the season. There needs to be some coaching Changes and I also think some personal changes are needed as well. Gio, Cammy are having terrible starts. Pleks looks worn out. I really think we need to add some more size up front to help the wear and tear and get rid of either cammy, gio or dd. They are all good players but with the size of our roster and getting worn down.

    I like Eller but I don’t think he will ever be a top 6 guy. He just doesn’t produce enough

    • DearyLeary says:

      I would love to see Eller given a chance to produce. He’s had to play with Darche and Moen half the season. You don’t think that Moen’s season has even a little bit to do with Eller being on the ice?

  5. Poor Poor Habs Fans….sniff sniff our team isn’t winning the cup every year…..fire everybody.

    I’d like to go back a couple years and read what what every one was saying when they knocked out the Pens and Caps in the playoffs.

    All I remember are the people wanting to hang themselves over Halak the rebound king. Look how that turned out. Trust me, the org knows what they’re doing, you just can’t have a losing season and decide to move four guys all at once.

    Typical fans, when they win they rock and when the lose they suck.

    Well I’m going to ride this out, and see where it goes and I’m not going to sound like a 4 year old while on this trip.

    They have some good players to build around (again). I’m sure after the season is over they will decide what to do. Until then ride it out and hope for the best.

    But yeah…..last night was ugly lol. Oh well could be worse. 24 days until Christmas.

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    • Storm Man says:

      Every year!!!!! Bahahahah the last one was in 93.. Most Habs fans are sick of the lord martin show. 3 teams this week showed some balls and showed they want to win by using a new coach. Molson we have a problem!

      • G-Man says:

        Yup, they had the balls to change the head coach and guess what? Both the Canes and the Caps lost. Might as well fire those new coaches, too, right? Doh!

  6. kenzie420 says:

    All habs fans need to boycott Molson beer, until this douche bag fires the gm and coach
    When times get tough, just remember, at least I’m not a leafs fan!! go habs go

  7. Folks, what I hear from most contributors here is whether we’ll make the playoffs, or if we have the talent to turn things around. The bottom line is who cares if we squeak into the playoffs. With this lackluster, limping, unhappy, restricted team, we’ll get blown out anyways. Has anyone thought to ask, hey Julien, when you were in Montreal, what was it that was the problem? You’re doing well with the Boston crew who can lose a game just as easily as win. You strung a Stanley Cup team together from a group of thugs and now, didn’t lose in November, while your old team in Montreal, seems to be in disarray? Any suggestions Mr. Julien? As for the team, sure looks a lot like Washington. Can’t blame Subban. Looks like nobody is mentoring him and his spirit is certainly being squashed. Shame he’ll be traded and flourish in another city, since we don’t have the desire or capability to do that in Montreal with the Molson, Gauthier and JM trilogy of French losses. It is such a shame that after four decades of being such a great and loyal Habs fan, I haven’t seen anything that looks close to a cup team like the 70’s Canadiens. Fighting hard for every win, great goaltending, snipers, speed, solid skilled defense. Cam’s heart is gone, we know Gomez is a zero, Pleks is good and can’t be blamed, the youth have no leadership. JM is a fool not playing Eller more on the PP. Cole may soon tell the coach to shut-up, same for Max-pac. These guys need to be free wheeling. The muchkins, need size to let them play with their hands and be playmakers. Gill has been a liability always. Slow, lumbering, never getting physical with his size. Last nights lazy giveaway RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE NET! Inexcusable! So yep, this team needs to tank even worse than they are right now to get molson off his duff before his asset starts to lose even more value since who wants to buy a small market club that is handicapped by the French coach and head office rule in a North American league? I live in the USA now. Have for almost 20 years and the constant fighting and need to keep the French feature on the Habs is part of what is going to absolutely kill whatever great heritage this club has. That’s all it will be eventually. Heritage. Which is great for making posters and getting drunk with buddies who might remember the good teams that were exciting and true contenders. In Bettmans’ NHL, the Habs are one team out of 30 or more and Molson is just one owner in a completely English league. So maybe the Habs should play in the QMJHL an leave professional sports to the rest of North America. May as well. The hard-core separatists attitude is exactly what is reflected in this team. Bite off the nose to spite their face. Keep the Habs and wake up one day and realize, mon dieu! The rest of the world has moved miles ahead and we’re still sitting on the porch drinking our beer! Hey, wait for us….! as they try to make up for years of ineptitude, while still screaming, but you have to keep French as a mainstay in our country, when nobody is even listening or caring except for their rag-tag family that is malnourished and uneducated. That is the Habs we have and will have unless someone gets some gonads and says, enough! We have some talent, we need to score goals!

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Epic Post… I didn’t read it, though. I am not a fan of jamming all your thoughts into one paragraph.

      Probably could have bust this into 3 or 4 solid paragraphs….

  8. Captain aHab says:

    People are clamoring for the Habs to trade assets for 1st rounders but look at the recent (and not so recent) past and you’ll see that this hasn’t happened often. In the semi-recent past, aside from the Pacioretty trade, we’ve pretty much traded high picks to get first rounders (like switching first rounders for another team’s). This team hates to look like sellers. Will they be willing to do it should a trade partner show up?

    Gomez won’t bring back a 1st rounder. Cammy might but his salary will go up over the next couple of years so unless he shows a pulse, I don’t think he’s worth it either but someone with cap space to spare might bite. Gionta might because he’s more affordable but not if he keeps playing the way he is. I think Pleks could but trading him will definitely demonstrate giving up for a while. Aside from that, we would have to trade promising young players to get a 1st rounder and that wouldn’t be too helpful.

  9. fun police says:

    the habs are a much better team than we saw last night. remember, this is the same team that has badly outplayed many teams this year. don’t forget, we’ve outplayed the bruins every game this year, whereas the leafs have been embarrassed all three meetings with the bruins. the problem is coaching. last night, carlyle was essentially coaching for his job, decided to go down with his best players on the ice. perry and getzlaf played a tonne. JM on the other hand is stubborn. when cole only plays 4 minutes more than darche, regardless of how many penalties we take, you are in trouble. when gionta leads all forwards in ice time, you are in trouble. darche has 1 point this year, yet he plays on the pp? possibly the biggest victim of JM is eller. this kid should be getting more minutes and better quality minutes. JM has coached his way out of town.

  10. Propwash says:

    Apparently, after the game, the Ducks fired their coach too…..
    Boudreau is now their new HC.

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  11. davecessna says:

    What, are you people surprised? When there’s actually some credence to the naysayer’s tune, you know it’s going to be bad. This team has been collectively terrible by Montreal standards for over 20 years. We should ask ourselves if watching games anymore is actually fun, as present day “hockey” is a racing stripe on the undershorts of sports, IMO.

    Nothing is going to change, because even if every visitor to this site tenfold were to boycott the team, every game, every event would be sold out 10 times over. I’m surprised they haven’t started a “standing-room” only area for really desperate folks like they do at Gillette Stadium (if they have I stand corrected).

    I truly feel sorry for anyone who has put any faith in this franchise, including myself. Zero passion for the game itself, Z-E-R-O. What’s worse, you can reason just how dependent the city’s collective happiness/productivity is tied to the team’s performance (I wish a study could be done examining that, I’d be curious).

    With all respect, I envy you old farts who had a chance to see what passion was all about.

    Pardon the numerous cliches and terrible grammar.

  12. Habfan4lfe says:

    Well, I think it’s time to take a break from this team this tonight. Kind of a waste of time to watch.

    • yep…after letting boucher and muller slip buy. i’m taking a break. gonna watch some bolts games. i’ve been wondering for some time now, we’re called “canadiens”, yet have less actual canadian players than boston and the bolts, just to name a few team…

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  13. Marcusman says:

    We should of given Kirk the job when we had the chance. French or not he deserved the job. The “do as I say” era of coaching is over… the players want to be coached by someone who’s been where they want to go…and who communicates…JM looks like a lonely guy out there, I’ve never seen him talk to any of he players..how many time have you seen Kirk bending over the shoulder of player pointing and explaining where he wanted them ……..The coach has to go…no passion..limited vision and he’s simply not successful as the Canadiens coach.

  14. JayBee says:

    13 of 25 games Habs have scored 2 goals or less. They live and die with their goaltending more than any other team.

  15. doogie says:

    Anyone remember what happened to the NJ Devils last season? Dismal start and, after releasing their inept Head Coach, the Devils played like a solid hockey team the rest of the way!

    So what’s the message in this lesson from the archives of history?

  16. onlychineseguy says:

    Dear Geoff Molson, I trust that you are an intelligent man, I hope that after watching last night’s game from your home you will come to the same conclusion as myself and all Habs fans: Gauthier and Martin have to go. We are sick and tired of mediocrity. I bet that yourself and your family did not pay $550 million for the Habs to tolerate absolute garbage like last night also. I trust that you will do the right thing very soon. Thanks.

  17. V says:

    I did not see the game. But from looking at the box score, seems like we probably would have won if our power play was as good as previous years. Couple of early goals would probably changed the complextion of the game.

    Could the difference between where we are now and 4-5 additional wins on the season simply be the powerplay?

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Yes.

      Special teams make a big difference, and if they could capitalize on at least 1 or 2 PP during a game, outcomes would be different. Maybe not 2 points in all cases but at least 1.

      Who is running the PP right now?

  18. RGM says:

    It’s early but the numbers are not looking too good right now. The good folks at Sports Club Stats have the Habs pegged at a 33.8% chance of making the playoffs. Let’s lower the bar and say that 92 points would be sufficient this year – the Habs would need 30-31 wins over the course of the season and even then the 8th spot is not assured. Does this team have it in them to play .600 hockey for the last 4+ months of the season? Can they accumulate 68 points in the remaining calendar? I just don’t know.

    As long as Carey Price is the #1 goalie on this team, they will always have a chance to win games. In 13 of his 21 games he’s allowed 2 or fewer goals. Unfortunately he’s lost 5 of those 13 games, meaning that in 40% of his losses the team in front of him manufactured 1 or fewer goals. It puts an incredible amount of stress on a goaltender to know that he cannot make a mistake because his team doesn’t have the offensive capabilities to get one right back. It’s going to make for a long season for our Vezina candidate if his GAA has to be below 1.00 to win games.

    I love the Canadiens, I always have. But this current edition makes it very difficult to like them. There are a number of “good guys” on the team that you want to succeed and do well and produce and win. They’re being let down. The future, we are told, looks very bright. It’s the present that’s the problem.

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    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Not to mention the pressure on the D, they are young and can’t make mistakes either.

      I am usually quite optimistic, but this year, I am doubting the Habs make the playoffs. They might have a chance if their PP was not so…crappy.

      • RGM says:

        True about the D. Price can cover many of the errors they’ll make, but not all of them. And with it lingering over the heads of the kids that if they mess up, they get to ride pine, it makes the situation even more uncomfortable.

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  19. JayBee says:

    And the sad thing is there’s a hell of a coach in Carlyle that’s far superior than Martin, but Habs won’t even consider him cuz he doesn’t speak French.

    Please give the Nordiques a team.

  20. harrow15 says:

    Lets pull Jacques Lemaire out of retirement again.

  21. arcosenate says:

    The only thing I can’t figure out is how they could manage such a crap game without Gomez? Imagine the depths to be plumbed upon his return? The Ducks were the second worst team on the ice last night, I began to realize the only team in the league that couldn’t have beaten them was the Habs. How very sad, is the system meant to suck the emotion out of every player until they just go through the motions? It’s worked to that degree, like you said, the coach that won and whose team looked interested in saving his job got fired. Strange days.

  22. Habfan10912 says:

    Crossroads. Do we stay the course and position ourselves for a high draft pick or do we try to save the season. If we are to save the season then a coaching change is about the only move you can make. I don’t know what I’d do but I know my expectations for this team have taken a nose dive.

  23. harrow15 says:

    So Jacques Martin use to be a goalie right? Thats why we stock up on defense-first minded strategy, and picked a defender as our first choice last draft right? So if Markov, Spacek and Campoli all finally come back before half the season is done we actually have a very respectable and experienced defence behind our star goaltender.

    We have 2 lines that have great chemistry and shouldnt touch let alone trade away:

    Line 2: Pax-DD-Cole
    and
    Line 3: Moen-Eller-AK46

    The reason why Line 2 has chemistry is because Pax has the size and the shot, DD has the speed and the playmaking ability, and Cole has the wheels, size, and power.

    The reason why Line 3 works is because Moen has the grind, size and hitting and an underrated pass, Eller has the size and play making, and AK46 has the shot.

    Which leaves Cammy-Pleks-Gionta and underacheiving Gomez.

    Cammy and Gionta are almost the same in terms of the ability: both have great shots and great speed but both are small. What happens when Pleks makes a play and feeds a nice pass but these wingers are pushed off the puck? We need another Cole on that line. I personally dont think we can get someone like Bobby Ryan without costing an arm and a leg (I wouldnt give away 1st draft pick).

    Legwand + Tootoo for Cammy + 3rd Round pick anyone? Nashville get a sniper, we get a 2 quality hardworking grinders, legwand with a bit of skill and tootoo who can give our 4th line some purpose. A trade like this isnt out of our reach.

  24. Big Ted says:

    There is this continued notion that a team needs 96 points to reach the playoffs, but in an era where there is more parity, it seems that this is actually not the case. One can easily see how parity can work to make it easier to make the playoffs (less bottom-feeders means better point distribution and more teams finishing closer to 0.500) or harder (more OT/3-point games). But if you look back over the past 3 seasons, the totals needed to beat out the 9th place team were 92, 88, 93, and 93 points. 96 would be nice to be more certain, but in all likelihood, something like 92-93 will end up being sufficient. The Habs are still only a couple of spots and one winning streak out of the playoffs, and we’ll hopefully be getting Markov, Pacman, and Campoli back in short order. The bottom line is that this team would be in 5th or 6th if the PP had been any kind of good, and we’ll just have to cross our fingers that Markov can straighten things out immediately. None of our rivals in the standings are running away with things either, so while we have dropped a lot of points we should have taken already, there is still time to right the ship.

  25. habsblood82 says:

    The habs need to play at 110% and have luck on their side to win gameS. This system is a joke. J martin has to be burnng some good canadian bud….along with Gauthier and molson…. time for a shake up. First… fire that big eared clown behind the bench. Gomez..Ahl.suban. needs to sit a game or two when markov n campoli r back. He’s really hurting his team with penalties and dumb turnovers…cammeleri needs to stop picking corners n put the puck on the net…. or….give up and trade for draft picks… these habs are awful to watch.

  26. Habsbill24 says:

    For those who call for patience, we have been patient, for almost 20 years now, ever since 1993. Who would have thought that the Artiste (AK27) would look like a hard worker on this club and certainly the most talented forward. Nothing against Hal Gill who gets the most out of his minimal talent, but there is no more telling image of these Canadiens than Hal crawling around on all fours killing a penalty. I don’t recall ever seeing any of Robinson, Savard or Lapointe doing that. The problem is that a team can lose well with some excitement and some hope for the future. This team loses in a disgusting way that makes you want to retch. No life, no emotion, no toughness, post game interviews where it is clear the players saw a different game than we saw. Also nothing that gives you hope for the future as the team is regressing. Even the younger players like PK and Eller are moving backwards (Eller is on a pace for about six goals this season, not even acceptibel total for a third line center). Gomez has fallen off the face of the earth and Cammy is a shell of what he was in the playoffs a couple of years ago. Gionta never passes and is too small and I can go on and on. Just plodding along with the same old same old doesn’t cut it any more. Even if we make the playoffs, big deal as we will be blown away in the first round. The goal should be the Cup not a few more paydays for ownership from playoff games. Does anyone think we are closer to the Cup today than we were five years ago? An for those that think Markov will right the ship, well I hope he helps but he hasn’t played in virtually two years, is coming off a couple of knee surgeries and is 33. He is not the answer I am afraid.

    • G-Man says:

      AK27 is so good he’s in the KHL.
      The Big 3 were allowed to interfere with anyone in front of or near the net. Hence, no struggle to block passes, just hold the opposing player’s stick.
      This edition of the Habs is too small and inexperienced on D- due to injuries to Spacek and Campoli, let alone Markov.
      Yes, we are a lot closer to the Cup than 5 years ago.

  27. V says:

    Did not see the game… to those that did, are players quitting on the coach?

    Up to now I have felt this team is still playing hard. But in the past 10 games it feels like there has been a distinct lack of drive from key members of the team sneaking into their game.

    Or am I just imagining that?

  28. Captain aHab says:

    Parity is a double-edged sword….although it means that you’re not necessarily that far off the playoffs, it also means that it will be tougher to get back into contention as winning streaks will be harder to come by. If the Habs play .500 from here on end, it won’t be enough.

    The other issue is that the goal shouldn’t be to make the playoffs. It should be to win the Cup. So we need to look at this team and ask ourselves if they’re good enough to win the Cup. We would need for quite a few things to go right for that to happen.

    My fear remains that if the Habs look like they won’t make the playoffs, there will be a bad trade to get them there. A trade where we will lose assets for a very short term rental.

  29. --Habs-- says:

    Everyone is waiting for Markov! There’s a very good chance it will take a year to get back to his previous self and just a rude reminder! He may never! Folks he’s been out 2 years! I don’t remember my password to my laptop after a 2 week vacation. Anyway! My biggest problem is this team doesn’t look motivated. Remember the Hurricanes 2 weeks ago when they came into town. That was one of the most pathetic displays by a Pro team that looked liked they didn’t belong. I turned off the Big Screen after the first period last night. I couldn’t watch and adore the Habs (no not the players)! But that was enough! There’s only one way to fix it! Stop paying for it!

  30. andykirstein says:

    The highlight of the night was Hal Gill killing the 5 on 3.
    What does that say about our team?
    The pp is so brutally pathetic, the goal now on the pp is not even to score goals, I’ll take a bit of puck possession for starters.
    How can you score when you can’t even gain the zone with the man advantage?
    How can a coach dress Darche for every game, give him solid minutes (including pp) and have 1 point to show for it in 25 games?
    Darche must have pictures!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The reason Mathieu Darche has played every game this season is because we have no credible alternative to play in his stead. He plays hard and gives it all he has, he is the least of our worries. The Canadiens aren’t losing because of the production or lack thereof of our fourth-liners.

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      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Clay says:

        I agree that Darche is far from the being the problem – but he is equally as far from being the solution. The fact that he sees power play time is a joke. He should have penalty killing time, and limited 4th line ice time, period.

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        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

  31. awesomerino says:

    Ceci n’est pas un equipe d’éliminatoires.

  32. doug19 says:

    Fire the coach of these muliti millionaire dollar players?
    The power play was sooo bad they lost the game. Martin could have given Louis a shot on the PP, at least he would not have been so
    completely predictable.

  33. AceMagnum says:

    Budaj Movie!! The Mighty Ducks or Fantasia

  34. cdhc says:

    patience is a virtue – THANK YOU!!
    The level of negativity on this board and of the journalist whose comments have fuelled much of what we see is really something else. Mr. Boone, I like your style and the way you wear your Habs Heart on your sleeve, but sheesh – lets all take Carey Price’s attitude a little more seriously shall we.

    I agree with all the positives in patience is a virtue’s post. Once Markov comes back, the dynamic changes dramatically. He is that good that he is worth waiting for. He is that important to this team, that like Crosby he is every bit as much worth waiting for.

    We have an elite world class goaltender who is the envy of 29 other teams.

    Parity is the new reality. Based on how many points separate where Les Glorieux are vs where they want to me, we are not in too bad a shape.

    My only question is whether Jacques will be given enough rope to get this right…..and should he? I say yes, even thought i’m in the vast minority of all of us who aren’t privy to what goes on in the actual room.

    All in all, I’ll be tuned in and rooting for a big win in San Jose and believing it will happen.

    • Clay says:

      You (and Patience) make some good points, but you need a little reality check in 2 things.

      First – Pittsburgh was winning (a lot!) without their 2 best players (who are perhaps the number 1 – Crosby – and 3 or 4 – Malkin – best in the league). We are doing very poorly without our best player, who is not even in the top 20 in the league. Don’t agree? Think of 20 players you would take on your team before Markov. Easy. And I am a big Markov fan.

      Second – Price is NOT the best goalie in the league, so 29 teams certainly do not envy us having him. He is good, and has potential to be great. But he will NEVER be considered the best until he performs in the playoffs. So saying he is the best now is nothing short of ridiculous.

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      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • patience is a virtue says:

        Yes, Pitts found ways to win. Most teams don’t do so well when their two best players are out. So, the Habs are not the Pens. Doesn’t mean they can’t be a contending team. Especially come playoff time. I’d rather have Cam and Gio in the playoffs than Malkin and Staal.

        Markov (as he was playing 3 years ago) may be one of the best 20 players in the league. Maybe top 30. He is certainly one of the top 10, maybe top 5 dmen.

        No, Price is not the best goalie in the league right now. But he is the youngest top 10 goalie in the league with more upside than any of the others, IMO.

        • Clay says:

          Camm and Gio over Malkin? You do remember Malkin winning the Conn Smythe, no? I would take him over any 3 players on the Habs. Hell, over any 5.

          __________________________
          “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

          • patience is a virtue says:

            Yes, I remember, but it seems a long time ago. Malkin has not been as a consistent a playoff performer for the Pens as Cam has been for the Habs.

          • Clay says:

            @ patience is a virtue
            Malkin – 62 games, 73 points. A model of consistency.

            Not to demean Cammy, who has very good stats – 32 games, 32 points – but please…get your facts straight.

            __________________________
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        • HardHabits says:

          I’d take either Crosby OR Malkin over both Cam AND Gio any time.

          Habs fans are ridiculous. They over estimate their players and under estimate their opponents.

          • Clay says:

            Agreed…

            __________________________
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  35. homerbowen says:

    If PG is responsible for signing JM to that bonus laden “out” clause he should be fired today, not JM but PG. Compare Burke’s track record and PG’s and ask yourself why is PG still here? Changing the coach at this stage is a waste as we don’t have the horses to compete. Camm, Gionta and Gomez have turned out to be busts and will not be part of a winning formula. Gomez, when ready to play, should be assigned to the Bulldogs (period). That in itself will send a message. Nearer to the trade deadline start moving players to teams in dire need for good, young, BIG, players, no more tiny tots getting knocked off the puck. As for coach and GM, who the hell knows, geez ask the RDS boys for their choice!!!

  36. Marc10 says:

    It’s going to be an interesting couple of days…

    I can’t see how the team pulls this one out. The leaders have stopped playing for the coach. It would probably be best to fire JM right away and get the Randys to run the show until the team gets back.

    That leaves Geoff time to go down South and beg Lemaire and Larry to come back and help us out one last time.

    Sad, sad, sad…

  37. patience is a virtue says:

    This degree of doom and gloom is really a bit pathetic from a professional journalist Mike. The ManAparts, RetroMikies, etc, can moan and spew their barf here and then disappear when the Habs go on a winning streak, but you should know better.

    The Habs are 2 points out of 8th and 6 points out of 3rd with three quarters of a season to play. Some reactionary fans need to get a grip. They lost to a team desperate to win. They stunk tonight in the third, and the PP is certainly a mess right now. Yet, I can only remember one other bad game this season – the first loss to Pitts. Otherwise they have played good hockey consistently and their shots, scoring chances and puck possession stats still reflect that. The wins will come, especially as the D gets healthy.

    Positives (to balance all the over the top negativity around here):

    1) Markov is almost back. He has taken about the right amount of time to recover from the best option for his kind of injury – patella tendon reconstruction (your own knee cap tendon) 10-12 months. Only another freak accident could lead to re-injury after complete recovery from this kind of surgery. Like Crosby, Markov is worth waiting for. It will not take long for the rust to shake off – the key to his game is vision and passing, which will come back much more quickly than stamina. It so happens that his vision and passing are exactly what the weak PP need right now. And the fact that the PK is strong will mean he doesn’t have to do double duty.

    2) Pacs is out. He has been the best forward after Pleks and is probably on his way to being a star winger. He’ll be back soon.

    3) Cams, their other star winger, is not playing badly – he’s making/getting lots of chances. He’ll get hot soon.

    4) Cole and AK are playing very well. With them and Pacs we have three big strong top 6 wingers who can score – more than has been the case for over 15 years.

    5) D: We may all like the rookies and sophomores on the point for their spirit and good traits, but really none of Diaz, Weber, or even Emelin should be playing higher than number 6 D at this stage of their careers. St. Denis should be in the AHL. It is possible that Markov can turn Emelin into a top line Dman quickly. I look forward to that possibility, and a D lineup something like this:

    Gorges-Subban
    Markov-Emelin
    Gill-Spatch/Campoli/Weber

    6) Price is an elite goaltender.

    To balance this hopeful rant back to the negative side a bit, I’ll agree with Red Fisher that centre is the real weak point of the Habs this season. DD will make a great 3rd line C, but has yet to convince me he can mature past that role. Ditto Eller, although I see more long-term potential for him.

    Gomez remains the best hope at 2C for this season, if he can bounce back, if he actually comes back healthy. Those are pretty big ifs given his struggles last year, and this year so far.

    IF, as I expect, the Habs start winning a lot more than they lose once Pacs and Markov return, the question may become who can they rent for 2C for the rest of the season? If they can find someone, Gomez doesn’t bounce back (but is healthy), and the team is looking playoff bound, then I expect PG to make the bold move of demoting the Gomer to Hamilton to free up cap space. Who knows, if they find the right guy at the right price (yes, I’d consider giving up a top draft pick for the right man), maybe DD gets traded in the deal and we find a long-term 2C, allowing Eller to play 3C on a strongly balanced offense…

    • rhino514 says:

      All of your points are valid. What is worrisome is that the past two years the team has played over its head due its tremendous heart. This year they are playing a bit beneath what the amount on talent on the team would lead one to expect. I´m sure they will do better with Markov and Pacioretty, and still believe they will make the playoffs if they don´t drop the next two games. But I´m starting to see something in the demeanour of the team wich is a bit troublesome.
      Two years ago the team reached xmas just a couple of games under 500 with a team devoid of Markov and nowhere near the level of talent they have now; they didn´t have a mature Pacioretty, no Cole, so Subban, and a less mature Price. And they still hung in there.
      On the other hand, they were in a bit of a freefall last year before they signed Wisniewski. So maybe it is in fact the enormous importance of the power play which is costing them a ton of games. Maybe it´s not lack of heart. After all, the leaders are all still there. Last night was another example. 0 for 7. If they pot a couple it´s a completely different game.
      Starting to think MAB was worth keeping, even if not as good as Streit, but valuable in today´s NHL where special teams account for about half of the goals. Maybe they gambled Weber would eventually fill the roll and be better defensively but boy has he looked bad lately. Not quite sure how important it is to have a reliable left handed shot with Markov back.

      • patience is a virtue says:

        I hear you. But I actually think that with Markov and all the maturing young guns we have/will have a top 10 NHL team as composed. All the more so if PG can find a creative solution for 2C (or Gomer bounces back, which is still possible).

        I think we need to be patient with Weber. He is young. His game is much better this year, even if he’s struggling with too much responsibility lately. I would much rather have Weber than MAB who is a disaster in his own end.

        All that said, Diaz may eclipse Weber. PG won’t keep both long-term.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You state that Andrei Markov is recovering from patellar tendon reconstruction. Everything I have read about him stated that he had suffered an ACL tear and reconstruction. Can you provide a source for your statement, or is it just an error?

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      • patience is a virtue says:

        Part (all?) of the patellar tendon was used to replace his ACL. His ACL was torn clean – the best case scenario. As I understand it (my wife is the doctor, not me :), this surgery leads to a 100% increase in strength of the ACL and little negative side effects due to the patellar tendon loss. It takes a lot more time to recover than if you used a stiff’s ACL (6 months, that’s what he had done last time), but the results are dramatically better in terms of durability of the repair.

        All of this info was available to the public at the time of his surgery – I can dig it up if you like.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I tried to Google but didn’t have any success, a link would be appreciated.

          I’m not aware of this surgical technique using the patellar tendon. Obviously, it would only be a part of it, as a ruptured patellar tendon is a season-ender in and of itself. The only technique I’m familiar with where the patient is his own donor is when the graft is taken from the hamstring. It starts out as muscle but quickly the body replaces the muscle with collagen and it ‘becomes’ a ligament. I guess using tendon, which is already collagen, gives better results?

          I’m not a doctor, but I play one when appropriate.

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    • montreal ace says:

      Great post with alot of positives in it that I like. If I had never had a bad day on the job I could be harder on the team, but the fact is I have had them. The team is a hard luck team, that seems to have everything bad that can happen never let up. I really hope last night will be one of the rarer times that the team looks as bad as it did, but I hope we play out our cards, and wait to see if things turn around. This team had done some good things when they have made the playoffs, but if they cant they will have some desirable assets, that will be wanted. We might never get the bounces to go our way on the ice this season, but in managing our assets with good trades at the dead line, at least some good will come of it.

  38. twilighthours says:

    A new coach might help fix the PP, which might win MTL win a few more games. This still looks like a lottery team though. I think the real Montreal Canadiens have stood up.

    And I feel sorry for you guys who stayed up for this one. I’ll be sleeping thru the SJ game too.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      That´s bs. Teams like Florida or Toronto which some suddenly consider good or at least decent have only six points more. A healthy Habs team with good coaching would certainly not be worse than them or Tampa Bay, New Jersey or Ottawa.

      • HardHabits says:

        People need to stop looking at points and measure wins versus losses. Teams that are 6 or 7 games over 500 are 7-8 wins ahead of the Habs. The Habs would need to go on an 8 game win streak with all those teams going on an 8 game losing streak for the Habs to move up the ranks.

        The OTL point has skewered more than just the standings. It’s deluded and fooled the so-called educated Habs fans as well.

  39. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Only one logical thing left to do. Ownership must fire PG & JM, become sellers and rebuild this team all over again. Keepers will be Price, Subban, Max Pac & Eller.
    Extremely embarrassing/frustrating being a Habs fan today.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  40. G-Man says:

    It is telling that the number of posts during and after a Habs loss is anywhere between 900 to 1300 or so and during and after a win the number is between 450 to 700.
    Lots of negativity here that is regurgitated over and over again. Typical.

  41. SeriousFan09 says:

    People who envision the dramatic sweeping changes to make everything better should face reality about this season and Geoff Molson. It may be plausible for him to Order/OK sacking Martin and paying the penalty on his contract. But, to further eat Gomez’s contract in the minors and possibly allow the team to sell at the deadline and skip playoff revenue, have not gotten the sense from him that he has the stones for all of that.

    • Da Hema says:

      But can Geoff Molson realistically expect this current team even to make the playoffs (with reference to your comment about Molson’s losing “playoff revenue”)? I am willing to concede we cannot (yet) write off the Canadiens at this point, but on what basis could anyone expect this current squad even to get a playoff spot?

    • Jim Edson says:

      Playoff revenue? What playoff revenue?

      After last nights debacle its obvious this team has indeed quit on JM.

      Unless things change radically playoffs are but a far off dream skipping is not even an option.

      Let’s get real!

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      Who am I: Barak Obama or Gary Bettman.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        I completely agree when it comes to Martin. I personally don´t think Gauthier is a bad GM (he neither is a very good one though) but Martin just has to go. Despite the injuries and a lack of luck this team should do considerably better. Last night we had two brilliant chances to make it 2-0 (Cammalleri and Desharnais). Then we had three consecutive PPs to make it 2-0 (With a two goal lead this game could have easily gone the other way). This PP is so pathetic and in the end the head coach is responsible and it´s still not too late to turn the season around.

        I also don´t understand why anyone would keep Martin. He´s not useless but he´s also not a winner and why not give a young coach a chance till the end of the season? The only reason some people are against it seems to be the lack of decent candidates. Then why not try Roy? He may never be a good coach but it´s worth a try and what have we got to lose at this point? He at least would bring in some passion. He would not stand behind like he didn´t care, he wouldn´t take shit from the refs all the time and he´s a winner.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Stones? Really?

      I think that Molson’s purchase of the Canadiens for triple what they went for a few years ago suggests he is willing to take on risk. (Maybe too much?)

  42. hirky says:

    Ok, i going to rant for a bit. I am sure to get some backlash from the HIO faithful but here goes…

    Are the Habs coaching staff going to wait until the PP goes 0-100 before they start making some changes to their strategy and personnel?? Markov cannot handle the pressure of fixing this all by himself.

    I am still wondering why they keep dressing Darche, and why they keep giving him quality mins with quality linemates. Why not give that time to a young gun or someone who deserves it or will benefit from playing with top notch linemates.

    I also believe its JM’s time to go. If Carlyle can get fired after that performance tonight then JM is going to need a 14-1 win over the Sharks to avoid the axe right? Doubt it…JM must have blackmail photos of Geoff Molson or something.

    I think alot of people expected the Ducks to be horrible tonight since they have been terrible for the last 10 games, but really how long can you hold Getzlaf/Perry/Selanne down??

    Anyone else missing a Plek’s shorthanded breakaway goal?? He was getting SH opportunities every game earlier in the season…what changed?? Is he just not going for it anymore..?? The Habs need a confidence boost to get some of their stars moving in the right direction again.

    I can see the Habs winning against the Sharks and Kings to finish off this West Coast trip…the reason why….they always seem to win the games people think they wont and lose the games people think will be a cakewalk….I am seeing a 5-2 win against SJ and a 3-2 OT win against the Kings.

    Anyone have injury updates on anyone not named Markov?? Where are you Spacek?? Campoli?? White?? even Gomez??(to take Darche out of the lineup)

    That is my 2 cents…

  43. billylove says:

    Every two years the Habs come to NOCAL to play the Sharkies. I’m there wearing the CH with quite a few other Hab diehards. I’m dreading the prospect right now. I will be there with a contigent of friends/family who are all big San Jose fans. They are not above rubbing salt into a fresh wound and it looks like I’ll be taking a beating after watching their dismal performance against the quacks. I can’t help but wonder what Carey Price must be thinking after watching the fiasco. Maybe something like, “these guys are going to be in front of me against the Sharks?”Had hopes this trip to California would be productive but as usual, I listened to my heart not my head. Sharks have looked lethargic in two consecutive losses and I’m sure they’ll be licking their chops going into this one. Price will face 40 – 45 shots. Good luck Carey. Maybe he can steal a point. Damn, there I go again!

  44. Good heavens. There’s a lot of howling here by grown men about what changes they would make and how miserable any given player is, and how that players should be traded, ad nauseum.
    Lovely. I trust you will all be back next game. I will.
    Did you expect anything to the contrary?
    Max sitting on the sidelines? On a controversial call that has to make the lads angry and a bit disenchanted with their organization?
    Cammy/Gio injured? Who knows.
    Poor LL… Jesus… send him back to Hamilton. Lovely for him to get some experience, but really. Learning is a process, not some sudden revelation, despite earlier mash-ups to the contrary.
    I applaud the poster who called the 1-4 game. I felt the same, going in. Backup goalie?
    I don’t know what any coach could do, given this group of men right now. Muller et al.,considered in their respective places as saviours—Losing records already. But the point is, sometimes teams are not that great, especially in circumstances particular to….well…their circumstances.
    Deal! I trust that most of you aren’t going to be dead by the end of the year. Give it a try and see what happens. I would argue that we’ve been spoiled by teams playing beyond their capacity. Maybe this team, minus Markov, Pacioretty, Cammy (as he appears to be injured or suddenly stupid) and a D-corps hardly more experienced than Gorges, is going to suck! Do we throw away the farm just for some fleeting glimpse of the Eastern Conference Final of two years ago!? (There are a few other teams who’d like to be able to boast of having made it to the Conference finals in the past two years…I know…means nothing.)
    Or do we show some sort of preternatural grace, and acknowledge the learning process with an exciting group of young folks…. And I ask…what were you doing at 24? Or 25? Being absolutely, utterly, completely amazing, I imagine not. That’s the point of enjoying sports. These are young, mostly, folks doing amazing things. By the time they are 35 they are basically dead, and have to start a new life.
    Alas, I forgot. These are highly paid professionals who agreed (with their agents) to sign away their lives to the fans. I would suggest, as an academic, that these men are not paid enough…not unless they make it to their late 20’s and cash in on the UFA extravaganza…and that seems to work out so well. Extricate yourselves from your misc. holes and consider it. How well do you do on a daily basis, beyond the punching of a time card….
    And then, he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

  45. roubenhead says:

    I hold on to things. That is part of my problem. I hold onto grudges, I dwell on petty injustices committed against me, I clutch tightly those insignificant events that better adjusted people have the presence of mind to release from their consciousness. My terrible ability to hold onto these memories, however, is also largely responsible for the fact that I remain a Habs fan to this day. Any logical person will tell you that I shouldn’t be…hell, I haven’t lived in Montreal in twelve years and to be honest the on_ice product just hasn’t been that captivating. Who can forget, though, all those Stanley Cups that were brought home during my formative years? Yes, these sweet, sweet victories left an indelible stamp on me…or so I thought. I had assigned to my heroes Ken Dryden, Larry Robinson, Steve Shutt, and Bob Gainey a status reserved by others only for deities. I was positively obsessed with the Habs and and this fascination lasted a good long while.

    I find, dismayingly so, that my interest is waning now. The Montreal Canadiens no longer seem to deserve the amount of time that I spend following their exploits (or lack of them). Don’t get me wrong. I am no better than they are. In fact, I am a crackhead, a thief, a whoremonger, a hypocrite, a liar…basically a person of ill repute. The one thing that I do have going for me however is that I give it all i’ve got every night at work. For that reason and probably that reason alone, my fans have stuck by me despite my obvious shortcomings. So while i can be counted upon to relapse occasionally, i can also be deemed worthy of “leaving it all on the ice” each and every shift. And while i do not have any natural ability at what i do (which is to cook) everyone knows just how much i care about every dish that i send out to our guests. I wear my heart on my sleeve so it is pretty much public knowledge that i am crushed when i undercook a piece of halibut or underseason a salad. I have been known to leave the kitchen in search of dissatisfied guests so that i may offer a genuine apology for a sub-par performance. These types of negative incidents will happen in any business but it is inexcusable when it is the result of a lack of passion or of effort.

    My employers and colleagues have seen me at my best and at my worst and have decided that my dedication to the cause justifies their continued allegiance. I think about their loyalty a lot and am very, very grateful for it. At the risk of sounding cocky, though, i feel that i have done my part in earning it. The Habs have not done much recently to earn my continued support. It is time for this storied franchise to stop assuming that past glories will continue to rivet me as a fan and supporter of this once proud organization. My therapist will be very happy to hear that I am just about ready to drop a bad habit.

    In the immortal words of legendary broadcaster Danny Gallivan: “Time is becoming a factor.”

  46. durocher says:

    Cammy and Weber for Umberger and Brassard. Waive Darche afterwards.

  47. Michael says:

    I remember in NHL 10 I used to start every season by trading Gomez for Crosby. Think Gauthier has tried that?

    (seriously, the game allowed that trade every time).

  48. JIMVINNY says:

    Realistically, we shouldn’t be hoping for a coaching change. If JM gets fired, a new coach will probably get enough out of this team to get them just to the cusp of the playoffs, or if they really overachieve, a quick first round exit. But if JM sticks around, we’re talking lottery pick. Something this team desperately needs.

  49. Michael says:

    It’s a shame Boudreau and Muller are already hired elsewhere. I don’t know if St Patrick is ready for the NHL. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he doesn’t even have any minor experience, just junior. A lot of people around here would like to see that, resting on the notion that he’s a passionate, proven winner, but… anyone remember Maurice Richard the coach?

    Yeah.

    • durocher says:

      He was offered the Avs head coaching job in 2009, so it’s not implausible that he’d be considered for a Habs head coaching position

    • Da Hema says:

      Patrick Roy was one of the greatest players ever to play in the NHL. He was also a fierce competitor. But do you really want a coach who was proud his son beat the living sh*t out of another player who surrendered before the first punch was even thrown? Roy was a great player, but he is — to put it diplomatically — deeply flawed as a human being (just like Lafleur). The Canadiens have enough problems. Why make things worse?

  50. Just A Guy says:

    Here’s the new conspiracy theory, Jacques Martin’s contract is a trap, pardon the pun. He wasn’t sure how long it would take him to reach 600 wins so he poached an early termination penalty clause out of his pal Gauthier. Now that he has his 600+, all he wants is his money.

    Well played, Jacques, well played.

  51. The Dude says:

    I think I’ve found an easy fix for the Habs….Re-name them the Montreal Maple Leafs.

  52. Feraco says:

    This team plays the way they are coached…with zero emotion

  53. rjonline1 says:

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  54. boonie says:

    “young, talented guys who played hard…” obtained for older, high-priced guys like Kaberle, Hagman, Stajan, Beauchemin, etc. and add by GMs who choose coaches based on talent like Boudreau over cronyism.

  55. Sotxhabsfan says:

    I once thought that maybe Habs fans should pool some money together to help buy out the Gomez contract. I’d sure put some money into it! But it seems like the problem is much deeper. We need a buyout of Gomez, Cammalleri, and JM to start. It seems that we’ll need some Government assistance…

  56. Everlasting1 says:

    Imagine, Randy Carlyle as new HC, with Randy Cunneyworth, Randy LaDouceur as assistants. That’s 2 too many Randys.

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  57. Da Hema says:

    I watched the game in my basement and had zero shots on goal, thus matching the total of Tomas Plekanec and Mike Cammalleri combined.

    Well done Boone. And I’ll wager you didn’t get paid the same as Plekanec and Cammalleri do.

    I think the easiest job in the world is to play for the Montreal Canadiens. The team pays millions of dollars to players who do nothing. And people bitch about civil servants!

  58. Matt. says:

    And than the team the Habs lost to fire their coach…
    “You could only beat the Canadiens by three?!?! you’re fired!”

  59. nickster13 says:

    I think one thing that would really help in the next CBA is the removal of guaranteed contracts. Like the NFL, once you start sucking, the team can cut you lose and you can then become someone else’s problem at a lower price and then work your way back up, it makes SO MUCH SENSE it’s mindblowing. The real world doesnt work on guaranteed contracts anyways.
    Maybe that would install some accountability on our high earning, underperforming players.

    EDIT: Ooh i just had a brilliant idea, removal of guaranteed contracts of over 3 million. This would both drive salaries to below the 3 million mark(since players know they will be guaranteed), as well as make the high money players have to earn their dollars.

    • Da Hema says:

      Yep. This will be the one positive legacy of Scott Gomez.

      • nickster13 says:

        Funny i had him in mind in particular when i said that! But i mean I could even say that for cammy. Yeah he had a good playoffs, but so did Fernando Pisani that one time, or Darren McCarty, but how much value did they have? Not 6 mil worth! Guaranteed contracts are sagging everyone down

        • Da Hema says:

          I now find the NHL almost revolting. If it’s not the banana-republic “justice” meted out by high-school non-completer Brendan Shanahan, it’s guaranteed contracts that allow players like Scott Gomez to thumb their noses at everyone. I feel sorry for younger generations who have never really seen what passion and commitment to team, country, and sport really meant at one time.

          • nickster13 says:

            Ya it certainly does feel too much like a business now, everyone just wants the money, and with so many teams and a salary cap and guaranteed contracts, they will get it one way or another! I like the amateur game where guys seem excited about just playing in a better league, or the fresh faced guys having the jitters, but these 25 year old guys (or 22 year old doughty) are just seeking the fat paycheque.. hmph!

  60. Sotxhabsfan says:

    I’d say just remove JM and have a cardboard cut out of Chuck Norris. It would probably get more wins.

  61. durocher says:

    Carlyle fired and replaced by Boudreau! The Ducks win and replace their coach, we lose and still have JM??????

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=381670

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    There’s no way flippantly advocating violence against someone is cool.

    Please remove that offensive statement.

    EDIT: Wow, that was quick. Great to see the poster realized he was off-base and removed his post, or that the moderators are on the ball. Nice work, either way.

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  63. Feraco says:

    Does anyone know what that buffoon jots down on his notepad?

  64. VancouverHab says:

    Wait, how can we be losing and losing this grotesquely badly and how come the pet H-I/O players-who-can-do-no-wrong (Cammi, Gio, Pleks, DD, P.K., — and every other Hab more or less except my favourite player Travis Moen) are absolutely totally useless … when Gomez is injured?

    I was promised on H-I/O that Scott Gomez was causing us to lose and we would be great once he was injured.

    Nuts to that.

    • Da Hema says:

      My dear VancouverHab!

      You do know the meaning of “pyrrhic victory,” yes?

      • VancouverHab says:

        “One more victory like that and we’re done for.” Love that line.

        An echo I loved likewise, from the 80s (don’t recall the provenance) was “We’ve got them right where they want us now…”

        WWI and WWII were Pyrrhic victories for Britain, in my judgement: showing thereby that one can be Pyyrhic for a noble and hnourable cause.

        But us Habs are only at Dunkirk right now: we can regroup….

        • Da Hema says:

          My most cherished VancouverHab!

          If I didn’t know you love the Habs, I might think you are Don Cherry (or Stephen Harper) with all those military metaphors!

  65. durocher says:

    How could we give JM such a long-term contract with a high penalty for early termination? Our senior staff have helped ruin this franchise, and it would be all doom and gloom were it not for a few bright spots, such as Price.

    We’ve been saddled with the large contracts of ineffective players (Gomez, Cammy) and worse, the large contracts of players who aren’t competing like they used to (Gio, Pleks).

    The laundry list of problems with the roster is painfully long: Cammy, Gio, Gomez are all overpaid and underproductive, Pleks has lost some of his mojo, Darche sucks, Weber and Diaz are small and are not contributing offensively, Gill is getting burned, Subban is undisciplined and predictable on offense, and we have no real fourth line that can hit and change momentum with energy.

    From top to bottom, we are a disappointment.

  66. Feraco says:

    Great article Boone, appreciate the late night insight.

    What stands out to me…2$ Mil termination clause for Martin. I’m assuming that goes all the way until the end of next season. Wow, not much we can do but this team has become a Mockery. Which is unfortunate because these players deserve better than what they are receiving.

  67. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    The women-folk wailed in their black mourning shawls. The priest uttered last rites while the grim-faced physician packed up his bag. And greedy men, called GM’s, huddled, haggling over the moribund team’s property.

    But then, when all seemed bleakest and blackest, a great light appeared on the horizon, bathed in blue, white and red colours, and followed by a multitude of believers wearing the same colours, chanting hosanna olé-olé-olé.

    Suddenly the wheezing, dying Duck-team rose from its death-bed and began to strut and score. And all were amazed, and knew that this divine entity known by many names — sometimes simply “Habs” — must truly be holy, for it raised the dead. And having done so, it went forth across the American lands performing more generous miracles.

    And therein lies the true religion of the modern Montreal Canadiens.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  68. Habziefan09 says:

    If that was not an example of a team quitting on their coach and management, I have no idea what is. Defense out to lunch, 1 or 2 shots total in the 3rd period against a team that constantly pisses it’s pants when the play a game in November.

    WTH is it going to take for Mr Molson to locate his ****ing balls and start firing people. He serves over priced watered down beer, hotdogs I would not pay 50cents for, tickets that are 400% more expensive than ANY arena in the whole US of A.. Not to mention that damn joke of an opening night … no emotion to a song from the “Lost Boys” Sound track. Damn right they are lost.. because no one knows how to steer the Bleeping ship!

    SO MR MOLSON, REACH DOWN, FIND THEM.. MAKE SURE THEY ARE STILL THERE AND THEN GIVE US A DAMN TEAM WORTH CHEERING ABOUT RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT YOUR DAMN STINKING BOTTOM LINE, YOU CRETIN!

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  69. longbow says:

    Why can’t we get a new coach :(

    “There are three kinds of lies. Lies,damnable lies and statistics.” – attributed to Benjamin Disraeli

  70. longbow says:

    I don’t freakin’ believe it, Carlyle fired and Boudreau replacing him in Anaheim. Just announced on Team 990 as per Eliot Friedman.

    “There are three kinds of lies. Lies,damnable lies and statistics.” – attributed to Benjamin Disraeli

  71. 24moreCups says:

    Bruce Boudreau the new head coach of the Ducks, wow that was fast and they just won to.

  72. Chrisadiens says:

    Carlyle out Boudreau in for ANA.

    Can JM please be next?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  73. Timo says:

    JM’s presser – “the difference was special teams”. NO EFFING SH!T, Jacques!!! You don’t say. Wow. What insight.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      JM : “The difference was in special team coaches”, he blurted. “Not my department”.

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      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  74. Un Canadien errant says:

    The Canadiens, when on the powerplay, go after the puck or toward the offensive zone with all the enthusiasm of your buddy Gord when he’s going to chat up a girl at the bar. Everyone knows who Gord is, he’s the guy who never scores or even gets a phone number when he tries to pick up. For some not immediately obvious reason, he just can’t get it done, he doesn’t have ‘it’, and he knows it, so when he takes a shot it’s more to fulfill a self-imposed obligation than with any real hope for success. So he kind of acquires a target, can’t find a reason why he shouldn’t approach her, and stoops and shuffles and stumbles his way over, sending all the wrong signals and the sham-attempt is over before it even begins.

    The Canadiens special teams displayed a special ineptitude tonight. The power play failed to score during seven penalties, including some 5-on-3 time. The bungling and lack of direction leached onto the penalty kill, which gave up two goals after weeks of stellar achievement.

    It was plain to see that the Canadiens now dread going on the man advantage. They’re tentative and lackadaisical, they get bottled up in their own zone, they get muddled when trying to get into the opposition zone. The puck carrier, when rushing up the ice, inevitably loafs instead of skating with purpose, and surveys the opposing foursome with trepidation instead of licking his chops. It’s sad, and it’s hard to see that merely adding Andrei Markov to the lineup will cure all these ills.

    Mike Cammalleri and Brian Gionta are ice cold instead of being stone-cold. Cammy in the previous two playoffs has been deadly when set up in the offensive zone. He’d either pull the trigger instantly, or would wait a split second to choose his corner and then execute, and either way always seemed to make the right choice. This season it seems the puck won’t lay flat for him, or the passes sent his way get ticked off-course by an opponent’s stick and mess up his timing. Mr. Gionta had trouble cashing in some opportunities last season, and seemingly has even more difficulty this year. He had a chance in the third period on a setup from David Desharnais, and wristed a shot, not top-corner or low-glove side, but instead mid-level, right inside Jonas Hiller’s glove.

    For the Canadiens to win games this season, they’ll need their best players to perform as such. With Louis Leblanc playing on the third line and Frédéric St-Denis putatively on the fourth, the Glorieux were playing with just two NHL-quality lines. These need to produce, or the nervousness and febrility we observed tonight will only grow.

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  75. Propwash says:

    You know what? I’m a fan of this team, and I will poke jabs here and there at them, but in the end, I support them, and to me, that is what being a fan is all about.

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  76. Captain aHab says:

    They’ll probably need to package a prospect to get rid of Gomez.

    I’m putting myself in Molson’s boots: I think he’ll eat JM’s salary first in the hopes that it might solve the team’s problems without eating Gomez’. Because right now, Gomez isn’t there and it’s not helping.

    Now, part 2: If getting rid of JM doesn’t work and you are faced with losing promising young players the crowd actually likes in order to pay for Gomez, what do you do? If you lose the young players, you’ll be losing playoff revenue for a long while, so you probably first try to package Gomez with a second tier prospect (or two) to see if anyone bites. If no one bites, then you bury him in Hammy and hope that the playoff revenue pays for it.

  77. Habfan10912 says:

    Shiloh, I am afraid you are correct. I am depressed.

  78. PureGuava says:

    Why not – we don’t give our prospects a chance anyways..

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    – Robert Anton Wilson


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