About last night …

Yes, it’s still early in the season.

But man, this is getting tired already.

As was the case at Madison Square Garden Sunday night, the Canadiens dominated the first period of their home opener Tuesday night.

And they even got a goal this time!

From Tomas Plekanec!!!

For the first 18 minutes of the game, there was energy in the building … notwithstanding a lacklustre pre-opener show and numerous empty seats in the Bell Centre’s lower bowl.

But after Chicago struck twice in 19 seconds to take the lead at the end of the period, a sobering realization seemed to settle over the crowd:

Their team was trailing – and the 2017-’18 Canadiens are not a comeback team … at least not in the long season’s early going.

Despite dominating statistical categories – SoG, Shot Attempts (83 to 46!), Turnovers … even Hits – the Canadiens were rarely able to exert sustained pressure on Corey Crawford.

By the third period, Claude Julien had put his lines in a blender:

• Artturi Lehkonen to the top line with Max Pacioretty and Jonathan Drouin

• Plekanec centring Paul Byron and Brendan Gallagher

• Charles Hudon with Phillip Danault and Andrew Shaw.

• Alex Galchenyuk with Torrey Mitchell and a variety of wingers.

The shakeup generated some offence. Lehkonen and Hudon were particularly effective with their new linemates.

But Crawford has inherited Martin Brodeur’s role as the Canadiens’ Hometown Heartbreaker. The Chicago goaltender, a native of Chateauguay on Montreal’s south shore, made 16 saves over the game’s final 20 minutes.

There were chances. But as was the case through the Canadiens opening road trip, the team had no puck luck. 

Two goals in regulation at Buffalo. One against the Capitals in Washington. A Henrik Lundqvist shutout – playoff déja vu – at Madison Square Garden.

And an early score – followed by 58:45 of ineptitude – in the home opener.

Claude Julien opened his postgame press conference with the unprofound observation that when a team doesn’t score, it doesn’t win.

“We don’t have the choice but to work our way out of this,” Julien added. “We don’t want excuses, we want solutions.”

“I still see potential in this team,” Julien said. “Once we turn it around, we’ll be fine.

The search for solutions will be challenging … at least in the near term.

The red-hot Leafs are at the Bell Centre. Then the Canadiens make an early-season visit to California, where the team has had as much success as Donald Trump.

“I still see potential in this team,” Julien said. “Once we turn it around, we’ll be fine.”

• The most succinct Comment on the Liveblog was from burnedprof:

Season is young but (Galchenyuk) has made more questionable passes than the USAF over the Korean peninsula

From habcertain:

Crawford played his usual great game, as he does against the Habs. They are a far better team.

So, we can’t score again, and Chucky plays with o zone pylons, and we are left to wonder what is wrong with Chucky. Even CHI figured out they needed an old/new playmate (Saad), the get Toews back on his offensive game, and we are talking about Toews.

We have JD/Max/Chucky with an outside of Lehks, and Hudon a little further back, who you need to build an goal scoring machine around this core. None of these guys should be playing without some combo of the others.

Mete needs to grow strong to play in this league as a Dman, let’s not waste good contract years and potential, he got schooled by a big team, let the boy learn with his peers.

We have been spoiled by the last 2 years of hot starts, I think we are being challenged early this year, will be interesting to see the pushback.

French Canadian homeboy to rev up the start, and we read about open seats, just win baby.

And finally from BC (Because of the Cats):

It’s the way we’re losing that makes me so angry. Lots of shots but no finish. And every game there’s at least one major defensive breakdown that leads to a goal. And Price is getting outplayed regularly.

I knew we’d have a rough start, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. No goals, no great goaltending performance, a defence that can’t move the puck. It’s frustrating, it’s boring, it’s all but unwatchable.

 

354 Comments

  1. Habs6088 says:

    Can you imagine MT having a bad start like this? I can’t. Yeah CJ has a better resume for cups won. But I gotta say MT had his players better prepared and more disciplined to give us some great starts to the hockey season.Not saying he is better than CJ. But you can’t take away the fact we enjoyed a lot of winning and first place finishes with MT. Maybe he was MB’s scapegoat to save his own butt. “Butt”in hindsight who knows how far MT could have taken this team with a more competent GM

  2. dutchy29 says:

    I agree with many here. #27 has been mismanaged by this organization. Despite that he has developed and improved almost every season. He rarely gets rewarded for good play but seems to be quick in the dog house. Its a no brainer, our team has struggled to score most of the last three years, play the guy that has the most potential in this area. If he scores 30 goals being bounced around 2nd 3rd line and 2nd PP, what can he accomplish on the 1st? We may never know.

  3. AH says:

    So did you see the record of the Biston Red Sox manager since 2013?, and now after another good year, he got canned!

    And MB is in what his 6th year of the 5yr. Plan? Lol! All I can do is laugh, otherwise I’d be crying.

  4. Smell the Roses says:

    Remember last year’s start when 27 played with 67 and 11 ? 27 was among the league’s scoring leaders. Then he got hurt … came back and played with 3rd and 4th liners. This year he has been playing with 24 at center and 65, both ok 3rd or 4th line players. How the hell do you expect him to put up points playing with players who have very little offensive talent or creativity. Put him with 92, there will be mistakes but I bet the 2 of them put up points and are a positive +/-. If you aren’t going to use him in an offensive role trade him.

    How about trading 27 and 31 plus some picks etc. To Colorado for Nate MacKinnon, reunite Memorial Cup champs Drouin and Mackinnon and watch the fireworks !

  5. 25soonenough says:

    Claude is losing the room. Sound nuts?

    Stay tuned.

    –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  6. Paz says:

    Markov and Beaulieu put up 64 points last season and they almost never played together, so those assists were contributing to different goals.

    It’s one thing to say that Markov was old and Beaulieu was turning pucks over, but where are those 64 points going to come from this year?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      After 4 games the Habs only have 2 assists from their D. Do the math. Everybody saw this coming.

      • Don Birnam says:

        And the forwards have 4 goals in 4 games.
        Nate?
        He’s Goose Eggs this year.
        Markov?
        You think he would help this Cluster Eff going on?
        Maybe, Maybe not.
        The forwards are small and /or are playing small.
        Bring up some muscle from the farm.
        Sick and tire of watching the the little buggers getting bounced around.
        Saludos.

        Viva Timo Libre!

    • habsr4ever says:

      Markov SUCKS in playoffs.
      N8 causes two goals a game by himself.
      I for one am GLAD both of these guys are gone.
      By the way. – N8 was already bumped from the top pairing in Buffalo. Just like he was here last year when he started off with Webs.
      He has zero points as well with his new team.
      Let’s see how Schlemko pans out.
      Mete has played great so far.
      Petry needs to be better on both sides of the puck.

  7. veryhabby says:

    Huge Chuck fan

    But it’s time to trade him. He is soft inbetween his ears and has no confidence nor the ability to get it back. MTL won’t try him an important role either. So just trade him. Maybe a new team will help him flick on some confidence. But on this team he is done. It’s everyone’s fault, player and management.

    But for all of those who want a tank…shame.

    We got 3rd overall and look how that is working for us. Hopefully Drouin can develop into a star core player. I believe he will,but we will see.

    We have Drouin, Chuck, Price, Alzner….all top 5 drafted. And we still are lacking? Hum maybe it’s not all about high draft picks? Teams draft high year after year and really nothing much changes for them unless they draft a superstar, or generational player. The key is building around the pcs you have. Smart trades, UFA signings, development. You don’t need to tank and draft high for 10 yrs. Most teams doing this aren’t all good after all that time unless they are lucky to land that 1 special player.

    We have a decent core. But we need to do better asset management. Markov…should have been traded if no intent to sign. We let too many UFAs walk for nothing. Pleks better be traded even if team doing well and on it’s way to playoffs. You need to get something for him. Beau for a 3rd…seriously??? Ghetto for Martinsen???? These minor moves need to be better.

    Lehk, hudon, DLR, Mete, Juulsen, Lernout, McC, Sherbak are all going to be regular Nhlers. Maybe not stars, but seeing where we draft this is pretty good.

    We can definately use another top 6 O player, trade Chuck for a puck moving dman (obviously we won’t get a star, but as long as they can move the puck and start the offense). We aren’t as bad as our 1-3 record. But we need to fix some stuff up asap before it gets away from us

    • 25soonenough says:

      Trade him for what? His value currently is as a fourth bloody liner?

      Maybe Matt Martin?
      Would TO be willing to part with Matt Martin?

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  8. leafs stink says:

    Its said to see all the negativity against Chucky, he is playing bad thats obvious. Remember when Chucky – Eller – Gally were together? I do and they were electric and putting up alot points, Chucky and Gally started to bring out the best in Eller. But what happened MT had to break them up because they were making his pets look bad!!! That was the beginning of the miss use of this kid, he has been wondering since, never mind the 30 goals he scored that year the habs were crap out of the playoffs, last year he started to fit but he got hurt.

    MB seems to have problems with relationships with players, it seems like he runs them to the ground when he does not like them as person or player, instead of thinking of the team and try to work things out and be a leader for the players to trust. He turns prospects into plugs and then trades them away for pucks. Im not going to name player but u research the players he has let go and traded away, we had all those players except for a cenetrman thats it.!!!

    First he said were gonna build from the draft, then you never have enough defenceman, then its not MT fault, then its the players that dont preform, then its puck moving defenceman r hard to find, then its first line centers r hard to find, then its power forwards r hard to find. This manager seems to blame everything except himself.

    Lets go back to the election in the 80″s when Reagan asked the american people in the debate r u better off now than 4 years ago???

    We r week from scouting, developing, coaching, management to owner, this used to be the leafs do u remember???

    Look who the leafs have behind the seens they r strong fron the bottom up, you will be surprised that there r ex habs in there too!!

    • D Mex says:

      Sitting here nodding agreement with so much of this post.
      People here were in a lather to land Galchenyuk, and his selection at 3rd overall was widely heralded. The theatre of his ‘ exit interview ‘ with Therrien still resonates, as does Bergevin’s reinforcement that ” Mike ” had a track record of working with talented young players in PIT.

      I’ve said before, and maintain, that Galchenyuk works too hard to appear the serious young pro. Parents living with him or no, he is but one example of a great talent who should have been supported differently, both on and off the ice. Your comment about Therrien drawing on the success of the EGG line to get his protégés going could not be more on point, and who knows how those moments linger and affect thinking.

      Too often, I wonder if those who call for this guy and that guy to be moved somewhere, anywhere are motivated by little more than wanting to see what another player looks like in the CH uniform. There isn’t a player out there who doesn’t falter at times, but that rarely appears to factor into what looks a lot like over willingness to devalue our players in order to move on to the next great thing.

      As the pre-season drew to its close, I observed that the issue we had been witnessing was not one of personnel as much as that of personnel deployment. IMO, Galchenyk is the only player who should work the right side half-wall on PPs, yet there is Pacioretty on too many first waves.

      That Pacioretty is a problem on this team has been camouflaged too well by his ” proven ” goal scoring abilities and mealy-mouthed platitudes.
      He had the other starring role in the soap opera that played out leading into the Subban trade, and continues to play a gutless brand of hockey. Alex Galchenyuk will be part of a winner well before Max Pacioretty IMO.

  9. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Forgot to mention this. According to TSN690 new lines are:
    Max-JD-Lehks
    Byron-Pleks-Gally
    Hud-Dan-Shaw
    Chucky-Mitch-Hemp

    • 25soonenough says:

      beautiful. Chucky is now of equal value to Andreas Martinsen. Hockey 101 right there.

      And Sakic doesn’t want to trade us Duschene for Galch?

      weird

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Sakic wants a young stud Dman and he’s not changing his mind.

        • 25soonenough says:

          Not my point. The sarcasm was aimed at the devaluing of Galchenyuk.
          Maybe the worst I have seen in my 30 years as a fan.

          –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

          • habsr4ever says:

            Devaluing of Chucky?
            Sorry but what else is the coach supposed to do. Chucky has been down right BRUTAL since his injury. Both coaches have done all they can to help him. He needs to start playing better before we can play him AND up his value. To you think other GM’s are stupid and don’t see if we are fluffing him up any how? Can’t make chicken soup out of chicken $@it.

          • 25soonenough says:

            What is the coach supposed to do? Dude, I’m talking about the GM and coach outing him publicly as “NOT A CENTER” then playing him in a fourth line role at a time when a trade would benefit him and the team best.

            Galchenyuk was drafted 3rd overall as a big play making center. He was a center in junior and a center to start last season and various stretches of his time with us, never long enough to really get comfortable, mind you. But righting him off publicly as a player that is not defensively smart enough to play center did not help.

            His play is partially reflective of the players he is playing with. He belongs with skilled players in a top 6 role. His play will balance out if the passes he’s making or receiving show dividends.

            He needs to play better. sure. But playing better with Hemsky and playing better with Pacioretty and Drouin are two different kettles of fish

            –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

          • habsr4ever says:

            Have you not noticed Chucky SCREWS up every line he is on?
            He deserved to be on the fourth line. he has been aweful since Xmas.
            Same stuff was said about Eller…..nobody can play with him……every line he goes out there with STRUGGLE. Ever think it is Chucky that is the problem?
            Trade him sure – but what are we going to get back?
            Move him up to the first line AGAIN? It doesn’t work….its a broken record. To be honest I am shocked he is on the first unit PP as well. Which brings me to my point – he is getting a chance to play with our most skilled best players……our pp is 0 for 14 and Chucky makes stupid pass after stupid pass and makes his same stupid move every single time. Does he EVER hit the net with his shot either? He is thinking too much and he has not changed his game since the other teams have changed their game plan to him. He is stubborn and to be honest I am shocked he is playing this BADLY for this LONG too. I thought for sure he was going to turn it around this season. So far NOTTA. Coach has done everything he can to help him in my books…..first unit PP – if he was THAT good as you are saying – he should have done something by now no? or even LAST season after Xmas?
            Its early – I’ll chill I guess.
            I saw him do a great back check last night……so that is a change….if you are not scoring you better be defending…..his board work along the wall getting pucks out and being on the defensive side of the puck are usually BRUTAL. He flies the zone ALL the time too. Must drive CJ nutso!

          • 25soonenough says:

            I see your point about his play, however, I feel that the GMs job is to get the highest value he can out of his 3rd overall pick and the way he is being deployed, regardless of his bad play, is making his value lower with every passing game. Get the kid going. He will not succeed on a fourth line regardless if he belongs there.

            His 6th season and Hudon is playing ahead of him? How do you think he feels about his own confidence when Lehkonen, Plekanec, Danault, Shaw are all playing ahead of him and have far less points over that stretch. Probably pretty crappy,

            –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

          • Forum Dog says:

            How is it that playing him on the 1st line doesn’t work? What are you basing that on? Because, from where I’ve sat, the guy’s point production when playing with top-six talent (i.e. Pacioretty) is basically the best the team has.

            And before you blame Galcheyuk for the PP, recognize that he has been MTL’s most effective player with the man advantage (in terms of points per minute played) for a couple of years now. You know who sucks on the PP? Desharnais, Shaw, Gallagher and even (for the most part) Pacioretty. The Captain, for all his goal scoring prowess, has a career high of 17 PP points despite getting well over 200 minutes every year. Galchenyuk has had pretty much the same in far fewer minutes.

        • 3 points for a win says:

          Sergachev would have fit really nicely here!

    • Paz says:

      Did you see Matheson’s 8 year deal?
      Very happy for him and his family. My son played as a ’94. Matheson is a smart young man, a hard worker, and a terrific teammate.
      Too bad Canadiens had the 3rd pick in 2012, because Matheson was a great pick later down.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Yup. FLA has him and Eckblad as their 1st pair for the next EIGHT seasons signed at $12.3 mill. They also have their top 3 centers signed for the next FIVE seasons. If they had better goaltending…look out.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Brutal. They are pushing this trade demand territory, if it isn’t already there. Talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face…..

  10. veryhabby says:

    I had been saying that I did not expect MTL to get off to a perfect start, as in recent past, as all 4 of the lines this year are totally revamped. It takes time to gel, and we know the preseason was not used to line up the line up until the last game.

    Add to that the fact that every D pairing is brand new too.

    In the past we got off to strong start cause we mostly rolled the same lines as the year before. If you look at a team like TO or STL, they are starting strong as they are rolling same lines, maybe one new player in a key role.

    I do not see how we are “worse” up front. We lost Rads. Yes he was a big pc of this team. But we had a down year in Pleks and GAlly last year. We now have Drouin, Hudon in the mix and hopefully a rebound year by Gally. I just don’t get how we are worse up front. No we were never a high scoring team, but we are not this bad either. No doubt there is confidence issue. They do not believe they can score 3 goals a game, so when down by 1 or 2, they don’t believe. That has to change if they will get out of this slump.

    Our PP is horrible. I believe we are the only team that has yet to score a PP goal this year. I don’t care if it looks nice on paper, I dont’ care if we pass nicely and enter zone nicely. Our PP is horrible. We have to change it up. Zero goals. We need no more proof.

    CJ has to coach his team out of this…confidence, new system, new lines, new PP. He has a huge role to play here, start earning your millions pls.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The PP is a joke. Muller has the players in the wrong spot. The only way to get the puck to Weber for a one-timer is from Max not JD, not Chucky. Just horrible.

  11. Sir Lance Compte says:

    Latest dumb trade. Martinsen had the makings of a good aggressive 4th liner. GONE.

  12. Sir Lance Compte says:

    MB is to blame for this mess. Bad trades bad coach hiring and timing. Bad drafting total mismanagement period. Get rid of him already.

    • habsr4ever says:

      missed the playoffs once in his tenure of 6 years.
      Won our division what 3 times already.
      He took over a BRUTAL team (28th over all).
      Three games in.
      Chill please. Chill.
      AGAIN – did you really expect us to beat the caps or the hawks before the season started any how? really?
      good for you if you did. Did the refs not hose us in MSG as well in that game?
      Not totally surprised at the 1-3 start at all.
      West coast trip coming up too. It will be a while before we get back to 500 and get into the playoff race. Its how we play in April and not October that matters.

  13. The_Rocket_Returns says:

    I’m not going to post about the quality of this team because, really, what’s the point? “They’re good!” “No, they’re bad!” “Well you’re wrong!” “And you’re an idiot!”

    Why bother?

    But some of the tactical and strategic decisions do stand out:

    On the plus side, the 1-3-1 power play makes a ton of sense given their personnel, and their PP zone entries are better than they’ve been since Subban’s Norris season.

    On the negative side, the zone+1 defensive structure, with four essentially stationary guys and one rover, is brutal.

    And finally: the time to trade Galchenyuk is now. His value is going nowhere but down. I’m not going to say if I think it’s his fault or management’s fault because again, what’s the point? What’s relevant is his production and his value — and it’s almost inconceivable to think these will ever again be high in Montreal. Turn him into an useful asset, because for the foreseeable future he’s useless.

    … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

  14. bwoar says:

    A few things:

    – Drouin actually looks pretty good as a #1C. Bigger #1’s will probably own him for this season, but positionally, etc. he’s not what the media losers said (i.e. “a winger, period.”)

    – Jerabek Watch: 1 game, 2A. On the game-tying and game-winning goals.

    – Mete starting to taste actual adversity, after 9 games there will be a hard look at whether he should tap out.

    – Pacioretty: needs to get closer to the net to score. Coach has to hold him accountable the same way he does Galchenyuk.

    – If one could fire Bergevin right now, one might be able to rescind his statement and allow the coach to try him at centre. But he’s here until Xmas at least, and then only fired

    – Despite my reservations yesterday, if they aren’t gonna try AG27 at RW on the top line, then they haven’t tried everything. This should be part of the blender if Lehkonen doesn’t still.

    – Carey Price needs to be and will be better.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Drouin looks fine at center considering he’s playing against the best D every night. He made a defensive error on the 2nd NYR goal but that is to be expected.

      I would replace Benn with Jerabek. This team’s strength is speed. He can’t move the puck in a way to take advantage of it.

      Molson is not the type to fire a GM during the season. I still don’t believe he would fire him unless there is a drop in ticket sales or he has a chance to replace him with someone really good (e.g., Brisebois).

      • bwoar says:

        Yes – I can live with the defensive errors if he continues to bring the high-level play in the O-zone and his backchecking is perfectly acceptable. I think this was a good gamble on MB’s part.

        Ditto, and in my mind Schlemko-Jerabek is the third pair for the time being.

        No f’n way MB gets fired, he just traded for Drouin and that will buy him the season. If the season ends out of the playoffs he’ll be fired for sure.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Even if they miss the playoffs, I still thinks he keeps his job unless a guy like Brisebois becomes available. But to keep his job he will have to give a new plan to Molson for the team…one that probably involves trading Price.

    • The_Rocket_Returns says:

      Someone on TSN 690 observed the other day that Julien had set his lines on Day 1 of training camp and didn’t deviate from them. Which a) Is weird, because that’s the time to experiment and allow players to learn each other; that way, if you need to shuffle lines later in the season, they’re already on the same page, and b) No wonder some of the younger players looked so dispirited in camp; when the lineup is almost set before the first preseason puck drops, it’s bad for morale.

      … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

    • 25soonenough says:

      Mete will only improve and get stronger as the adversity toughens. That is is my take on Mete.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

    • Forum Dog says:

      Great post. In almost total agreement, especially WRT Jerabek and Pacioretty.

      Galchenyuk can do no right, only wrong. His confidence is totally shot and he’s not gonna get it back playing wing on the third and fourth lines. That’s been tried and failed. Time for the team to move on. They aren’t doing themselves any favours with this tired approach and it is bordering on masochistic at this point.

      I was on the side that said Mete would go back after 9 games, and I thought there was no room for any other move. However, given just how bad the defence looks in transition, I am starting to wonder if they are stuck with him regardless. There is literally no one on that roster that can move the puck the way he does, and he hasn’t even really had a chance to show it yet. Perhaps Jerabek and (especially) Schlemko give them an escape valve, but that does not set my heart aflutter.

      Will be quite interested to see Schlemko in action. Not sure the timeline on his return, but he would only need to be an improvement over Benn and/or Davidson for it to help the team.

  15. joeybarrie says:

    Lots of bad to talk about. So far, we dont have a lot to look forward to this season.
    HOWEVER,
    Its early. The Golden Knights wont go undefeated this season. Buffalo will win a game. So will San Jose and Minnesota.
    4 games in 6 nights to open the season. Completely new style of defending for most of these guys to get used to. No practices to do it in until now. Its not like we lost to bottom teams. The three we lost to should be fighting for a top place in the league and to go to the Finals. (but man did we stink against Washington)
    Rangers are doing as poorly as us. Nashville isnt any further ahead. Neither is Dallas.

    The world isnt ending yet. But this team needs to get it together.
    Scoring is still an issue. But if they keep shooting like they have, it will get better.
    Defense needs to get it together. They are not organized, they are lost actually. But it will come. Schlemko will help. Markov would have helped. But he would not have saved this team. Nor would have Emelin or Beaulieu. We have upgraded from them.
    Alzner will figure out the new system and become his old reliable self.

    Saturday against Toronto will show us what we will see in the first half of the season. Whether we will continue to get bashed against Toronto saying they will win the cup 5 times in ten years and the Habs will never make another playoff spot. Or whether this team can get it together after some valuable hockey has been played and now some valuable practice time can be had.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Agree it is still too early. I remember saying the same thing last year when the Habs were in 1st and the Preds in last place after the 1st month. American Thanksgiving is when you have a good idea how it is going to turn out.

      BTW did you go to the game in Wash Joey?

      • joeybarrie says:

        I had tickets…. OF COURSE IT WAS CANADIAN THANKSGIVING. So I was in Montreal.
        Although after watching the first period I was happy I didnt go. We retired to the porch for scotch and cigars, and watched the third with the help of a Glenfiddich 14 bourbon barrel.

    • 25soonenough says:

      Great post.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  16. chilli says:

    I’ve already switched the standings upside down and see that we are 2 points out of first place.
    The holy grail for his season is getting a #1 draft pick. That’s first place for me.
    The holy grail is not inching into the playoffs (not a playoff team) and losing in the first round… or with the best puck-luck in the world, a 2nd round exit.

    We need a stud high draft pick that can step right in and build around him and Drouin.

    I’m not worried about Weber’s age – he’ll play out his days or get traded to a contender. We already screwed that up in watching PK dominate last night with his 3 assists and complete control of the game.

    That ‘win now’ ship has sailed, its time to lose as many games as possible and clean house.

    2 points out of first!

    Go Leafs on Saturday!!!!!

  17. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Chucky on the 4th line with Hemsky and Mitchell. Good luck with that.

    • Mister Wrong says:

      I’m not saying Chucky is playing well. He’s not. It’s just that almost everyone else is playing about the same and I don’t get the fixation on this one guy.

      Is management/coaching whispering into media’s ear about him? Because he was all the commentators on TSN would talk about. They literally bashed him all night. They actually played a slo-mo clip of Chuck stealing a puck behind the net and coming this close to jamming it in while talking about how he doesn’t win battles or create chances! I was almost embarrassed for how stupid it made the commentator look.

      Reminds me of Subban. Blamed for everything. Classic example is that time he lost an edge against Colorado (?) leading to Colorado rush: Pacioretty quit on the backcheck, but Therrien reamed out PK and the media just along with it.

      They need to either give Chuck a chance to succeed or trade him. Unfortunately in classic Habs style they have diminished his value so much they won’t get much for him, but hey, maybe they can still get a legitimately good #4 defenceman and finally send Benn off to the great barber shop in the sky.

      #FireBergevin

      • The_Rocket_Returns says:

        Yeah. Play Chucky with mediocre uncreative players and then get upset when he doesn’t carry them by doing everything himself, which is exactly what he’s been told not to do.

        It’s the perfect recipe for wrecking a player. Bergie is a master. It’s a testament to PK that he survived for seven seasons without having his game and head completely wrecked.

        … Koivu to Zednik to Kovalev …

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Chucky gets trashed because he’s not in the corners battling like Gally every play. People just don’t get it. He’s not that type of player. He’s an opportunist trying to anticipate the play. They clearly don’t know what to do with him. Trade him already for a Dman.

        • Forum Dog says:

          Agreed. Even when he does try, he gets lambasted. Last night all the commentators were on about how poor his decision making was, but absolutely no counterbalance when he comes back hard and ties up the trailer on a Hawks 2-on-1. They are trying to turn a Ferrari into an F-150. Makes no sense and at times seems more about his perceived personality than any real shortcomings.

          Danault made some twitter remark about not liking the chemistry with Galchenyuk because there wasn’t always hard work. Well, I agree that hard work is critical to success, but so is talent. Danault can work all day and night and play with the best players, but his physical skills will limit him to 40 points. Galchenyuk can score 25 goals and 40 points in a freaking coma, which is largely what we’ve seen since February of last season.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Is that a confirmed thing, or just some throwaway?

  18. Ozmodiar says:

    yesterday, discussing shooting percentage, i mentioned the importance of shots inside the perimeter, and getting the goalie moving laterally.

    chicago’s 3 goals: debrincat one timer off a cross-ice pass; 2 goals from the blue paint, both after the Hawks had Price moving laterally to the point where he had to over-commit.

  19. habsr4ever says:

    The team has played well in three of the four games thus far. There is big time effort and that is always a good sign. Nobody is packing it in. We certainly lack goals but I am encouraged for sure.
    And to be honest did we really expect to beat the Caps or the Hawks any how?
    Sabres was a MUST win and we got it.
    Rangers – well again – did we really expect to win at MSG? We outplayed them and the refs really screwed us in that one let’s face it.
    Sure 1-3 sucks but we are playing well and we are getting many of the tougher games out of the way early in the season. West coast trip coming up as well. We won’t be 500 any time soon but as long as we stay in the horse race we will be fine and get into the dance. We have seen what dominating in October means the last few seasons have we not? I would rather be playing our best hockey in April vs October ANY day of the week.
    Going to be tough to finish third in our division but let’s get serious – we certainly have a good chance.
    TB Leafs and Sens – we should be able to hang in there and use our cap space by deadline day if not sooner to load up. Stay patient Bergy – the price for Duchy will come down. don’t over pay and become desperate now. It paid off in spades to land Drouin…..let’s make a another HUGE steal before the deadline.
    bottom line 2 points of 8 sucks but let’s be realistic here. Did we honestly expect more? Maybe 3 points or 4 at BEST? I wanted to be 500 up to now and we are two points short. Let’s keep this SMALL sample size at what it is. CHILL people.
    We still have the BEST goalie in the NHL to take us to the playoffs.
    I’m out.
    peace.

    • adamkennelly says:

      that is an optimistic view man…bottom line this team is worse than it was last year – without a doubt and not as good as it could or should be with Rads and Markov gone so….still can’t score, small, soft, permitter offense…$10.5M in nets….smelling like a disaster year.

      • habsr4ever says:

        $10.5 doesnt kick in until NEXT year for the BEST goalie in the NHL (ok top 3 as there is no clear cut number one).
        Rads and Marky – time to turn the page. Old and SLOW. And Rads will only get slower with each passing season. Rads wasn’t going to take a 3 year deal. So glad he took the deal in Dallas with THAT TERM. Good for the GM in not giving in to EITHER of these older guys.
        Again move forward already. This is getting old – no pun intended. Marky has SUCKED in the post season year after year from 4 years ago. He is a good regular season guy but let’s get serious……it was time.

    • ArmyFan says:

      Agree on the effort, but effort X little talent = no results, just as we’ve seen.

      I have always skated well and can read the play, but have hands of cement and my body just won’t do what my brain wants it to do on the ice, i.e. my natural talent level is low. Result? Stay at home defenceman who scores 1-2 goals a year in beer league.

      Point is, as many have argued, that aside from a few high-end players (e.g. Drouin, Weber….and Chuck in flashes), the supporting cast is just not that talented. Why? Years of abysmal failure to either (a) draft well in the first round, and/or (b) develop those prospects. Which is it – drafting or development? Don’t know enough to say.

      All of this, of course, is just my humble opinion.

    • leafs stink says:

      Your in lala land, no playoffs this yearwere already out cant u see that!!!

  20. Gerry Pigeon says:

    From those that want to blow up the whole thing, to those that are still hoping this season turns around, and this thing isn’t headed into the abyss, I salute your love of our team.

    I have a couple of observations. Understandably, Molson will want to make money first, and win second. It’s a necessity, and only those that run their own businesses truly understand survival is and always will be the first order of business. When MB keeps Chucky, and soon Mete, up with the big team instead of sending them down for more seasoning, it’s not about the long term prospects of actually winning the Cup, it’s about the short term goal of filling seats and making the team good enough to make money. To me, this signals MB/Molson’s collusion in prioritizing making money over winning.

    We can’t fire the owner. We can only express our displeasure with how the team’s run with our wallets. What we buy, whether we attend, what we watch. On top of that, forums like this are where we communicate what we’re unhappy about, and what measures we’d like to see happen to improve the club, and perhaps bring back our loyalty and $.

    I’d like to see Patrick Roy return. I never thought I’d say that a few years ago, but after watching him freak out in his first game as Avs coach, defending his players, and subsequent calling out of Duchene, as well as walking out on the team when it came to conflicts in player selection, I can’t think of anyone else more fitting for the job, combining the francophone past hero angle, and the overwhelming urge to win. I doubt Patrick would compromise much, if any, on the making money angle at the cost of winning. Therefore I doubt Molson has a lot of interest in hiring Patty. But I hope there’s a groundswell of support for him.

    • habsr4ever says:

      So you are saying Roy instead of Claude Julien?
      Wow – you HAVE got to be kidding right?
      What has Roy done as a coach?
      He doesn’t even come close to CJ and his credentials and resume as a coach.
      The time for Roy may one day come but it certainly isn’t now especially when we have one of the best head coaches in the NHL behind our bench.
      Those are my two cents.

    • 25soonenough says:

      Yes, Bring back Patty Roy.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

    • ArmyFan says:

      With the cap in place, the making money vs. fielding a winner doesn’t hold water anymore UNLESS a team is consistently spending considerably less than the cap (I say considerably because most teams leave themselves with a bit of room to manoeuvre).

      This current situation Mtl finds itself in ($8.5 mil in cap space) is an anomaly – they have consistently spent up to the cap since its implementation. Since the largest expense (player salaries) is more or less fixed if you’re consistently spending to the cap, the only way to make more money is to increase revenues. And the best way to do that is to field a winner that goes deep in the playoffs – this is where the gravy money is made.

      So it doesn’t make sense that a team that consistently spends to the cap would deliberately field a non-winning team – there really is no financial benefit to doing so. The explanation for this team’s consistent mediocrity is simply poor (but not deliberately poor) decision making. What those poor decisions specifically were is, of course, the subject of 90% of the discussion here.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:

        I want Roy installed as President of our Habs, not coach.

        I’m talking about Roy making personnel decisions with the goal of building a winner long term in mind.

        I am saying there’s a conflict in building a long term winner vs. profits.

        You disagree because you state that going deep in the playoffs means more revenue for the owner. That’s true, BUT going deep in the playoffs consistently means hard times at the beginning, amassing draft picks, and developing them. You have to build a really solid core (see Blackhawks). It takes patience, and a duration of lower profitability.

        So I’m saying ALL owners are NOT interested in that initial duration, and that it’s not as profitable in the immediate present as peddling hope with a middling team.

        How much money have our Habs made Molson the last five years? PLENTY. What if MB didn’t immediately start going for the gusto, and instead, sent Chucky down, traded Pleks and Marky, stockpiled young, cheap talent? Then the team would be ascending right now, but Molson would have lost out on a TON of money the last five years. As well, there’s no guarantee the team would actually win the Cup, even after that.

        But we as fans are tiring of the mediocrity, the false hope. We don’t care about Molson’s profitability. We care about winning. Since we’re not in charge, all we can do is lobby for what we want by boycotting Molson products and Habs gear, and discuss our desires on forums like this.

        I want Roy as President of our Habs. I believe he’s less susceptible to the greed and self interest of ensuring his own paycheque at the cost of building a winner. I think he’s driven by challenge and ego, and that he’d love to be the MAN that brought Cup glory back to our Habs. And I think if Molson hires him, the public support for Roy, and pressure to succeed, will ensure Molson doesn’t compromise winning for profits.

        • 25soonenough says:

          Agreed, then, agreed some more.

          –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

        • ArmyFan says:

          I’m two threads too late, so you’ll prob never read this, but you raise a good point in your fourth paragraph i.e. the ‘pain’ of the bottom end of the cycle where you finish low (deliberately or otherwise) to draft high.

          I guess Detroit would be the exception as a team that just drafted well with their late picks and stayed in the mix for 25+ years, winning a few cups along the way, while Pitts, Chi, Edm and now Toronto were willing to go through what you describe.

          For the umpteenth time in this forum, I’ll repeat that I think the draft lottery and “winner pick last” system is just wrong, wrong, wrong. It rewards tanking and bad management. Should be a random lottery each year for all 31 teams.

          Cheers.

  21. Bash says:

    One possibility – Just for a moment assume that MB knows exactly what he is doing. No?
    Another possibility – Just for a moment assume that MB knows pretty much what he is doing:
    This is a mini tank / rebuild season! There is no other explanation
    for bringing in the likes of Streit, Hemsky, Benn when we so obviously need a centre, power forward and stud D man.
    Plus we have all that cap space.

    He sees two options: make the playoffs this year and plug a few holes for the playoffs. Miss the playoffs this year, ditch whoever for picks at the deadline and get ready for 2018/19. Plus another 6M from Plek’s contract.

    Third possibility – MB is lost.

    “Damn it Jim I’m not a doctor; I’m a hockey expert.”

    • Forum Dog says:

      Unless he and Molson had a nice surf ‘n turf over the summer and came to some agreement that it was better to limp through this season, save some cap money and be prepared to make some monster offer or play for top-level NHLer + a top draft pick, I’d say that is a dangerous game. If the outcry becomes too loud and fans start protesting with their wallets, Molson might have no choice but to can Bergie.

      That is the phase of cycle we are in. Year six, expectations growing, results not forthcoming, there is only one person left to fire…..

    • CanadienBoy says:

      CJ need a good 20 game to implant is system and get red of the dead wood

    • habsr4ever says:

      The cap space for Benn Streit and Hemsky is how much again?
      Really – we are going to pick on these signings and trades?
      $3 M in cap space to add some experience and we are complaining about this?
      I loved the chance he took on Streit – I was wrong too. He has looked really bad. But I still think he can run the second unit PP.
      Hemsky – for a million bucks – a one year fix to wait for somebody in the system to take his spot and develop properly and not rush him to the show isn’t that bad either.
      We ALL wanted Radulov to stay here. Has anybody seen what he is doing in Dallas? Exactly. His demands were not met. And I for one am GLAD Bergy didn’t give in. Too much TERM for a declining asset.
      Benn – he was exactly what we needed when we traded for him. He is totally fine as a bottom pairing Dman. CHEAP cap hit and he can play 17 minutes a night no problem. Again not flashy but as a bottom pairing guy he is definately an NHL defencemen.

      We need a centre for sure. Not saying we don’t. But what is the cost to land one?

      We will turn this around but clearly we are not contenders right now.

    • leafs stink says:

      No he is lost !!!

  22. kalevine says:

    I hear a lot about lack of finish, but the problem I see is so much more than that. It’s a lack of execution all the way down the line, from consistently poor passing, reception of passes, passes right to the opponent with no teammate in the same area code, shooting when they should be passing, passing when they should be shooting, inability to separate the opponent’s defense the way the opponent separates theirs, zero offensive support from the defense, and on and on and on. Some of this may gel with time. I still maintain that a team that is clearly mediocre on paper can perform well if they play as a unit, but this team isn’t even playing to its meager potential right now

  23. expat_habsfan says:

    This franchise HAD a great puck moving D-man (PK) and another good one (Beaulieu) and gave them both away, albeit PK was 1:1 for a stay-at-home tough guy (?) with a rocket. Never-the-less they had the talent but couldn’t figure out how to coach\work with these talented players.

    This franchise has been looking for 20+ years for a 1C and hasn’t found one, drafted one, or developed one. Chucky is not a 1C, he doesn’t have the head to be a 1C, 2C maybe, but really he should be that winger who gets the offensive green light because they are there to SCORE and is on a line with a talented and responsible (someone like Toews) center to minimize the damage. Drouin is also not a 1C and trying to make him one will ruin him as a player.

    The Habs last good captain was Koivu, Gionta wasn’t a bad captain but he had no offensive punch and didn’t appear to be able to stir the troops out of their slumber. Patches is a HORRIBLE captain and a floater to boot. He struggles against good competition and especially in the playoffs. Without his 5-6 empty netters he is not always going to get to the 30 goal mark. Yes he’s cap friendly but cheap isn’t always good.

    Price is a good goalie, he’s not great yet because great Habs goalies win cups.

    The really damning thing about this team is that they have way too many players at or near 30 and nobody worthwhile on the farm to even ponder “another” 5 year rebuild with even the respectable parts of this roster.

    I think the VGK franchise, in its 1st year, is actually in better shape than this one and that is a really sobering conclusion.

  24. Clay says:

    This team has a myriad of serious holes throughout the lineup. But our $8.5 million in cap space is insufficient for filling these holes. The cap has been horribly managed, and not only because of tying up so much cap space in Price. We need a new GM.

    __________________________
    ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

  25. Casanova says:

    Regret is a terrible thing:

    Takeback on the Weber, Shaw, and Beaulieu trades…
    Keep Radulov and Markov…

    Patches – Drouin – Gallagher
    Galch – Danault – Radulov
    Hudon – Plekanec – Lekhonen
    Mitchell – DeLaRose – Byron

    Markov – Subban
    Mete – Petry
    Beaulieu – Benn

  26. Luke says:

    Is it 2018-2019 yet?

  27. GreatDane says:

    Habs had chances but call it lack of finish but also have to give props to BlackHawks D and Goaltending for not allowing many secondary really good scoring chances. That being said, scoring takes talent and Chicago has it while Habs do not. A good part of the explanation is the ’06 and ’07 draft years with a third and first pick to get Toews and Kane. Still, since then Chicago management has acquired and developed good players that complement them well.

    Habs have had a tough schedule to start the season and will meet another team Saturday with more pure scoring talent. Leafs likely will score more than 3 but will hopefully also give up more than 1 goal but that probably leaves us on the wrong side of the scoreboard. I recall early last season that statisticians considered Habs torrid shooting efficiency unsustainable and it was. That is good news for this season but my concern is that the normal looks more like the tail end of last season which sounds to me like a scrap for a wildcard spot at best.

    How much of the present Canadien’s situation is due to not drafting from a great position (ie high picks in a great draft class) and how much of it is less favorable use of the available draft picks and also player acquisition/retention and development? Probably a bit of all of these but it would be interesting to know how Chicago management would have done in Montreal over the past 10 years. We have stolen their assistant GM, but setting MB aside, it is the rest of their player scouting and player personnel team that I am wondering about. Too bad there is not some good metrics for analyzing teams relative performance on this side. Oh wait, there is one good metric… The number of Stanley Cups won.

  28. SteverenO says:

    Richard B wrote:
    Markov has been the #1 asset on the PP for the Habs for as long as I can remember.

    Not a great memory, Richard; last season when Markov and Weber were on the ice together the Habs PP scored 12 goals in 120:09 minutes with the man advantage. ( a very mediocre, if not anemic, average of one PP goal every 10 minutes)

    Last season when Beaulieu and Weber were on the ice together the HABs scored 11 PP goals in only 50:44 of ice time. (An incredible average of one goal every 4.5 minutes)

    This season, without Beaulieu and Markov, we have now gone 26:52 and counting, on the PowerPlay without having scored a single goal.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Blueline production on the PP is an issue, but some of the forward selections are a bit counter(productive) as well.

      Gallagher and Shaw both had near the same PP minutes as Galchenyuk last season, but put up 3 and 7 PP points respectively, while #27 put up 6 goals and 15 points.

      I get that you need someone to go and play around the crease, but if their skills/hands are up to snuff, pucks to their side are likely out of the zone. And then there is the size factor, which is real.

    • Richard B says:

      I’m impressed with your stats…and I don’t like that Beaulieu was given away either…but I know you are not comparing Beaulieu to Markov right?
      And one year out of the rest of my life don’t mean Beaulieu is superior to Markov. (not in my mind anyway)

      Richard B

  29. DipsyDoodler says:

    Admittedly I only saw the 1st periods against Chicago and the Rangers, and a bit of the Buffalo game, but we haven’t looked bad. Quite the contrary in fact.

    Keep the faith folks. The #1 line will start clicking, Lehkonen and Hudon will get some confidence, Alzner and Petry will develop some chemistry.

    My biggest fear after the three-game losing streak was that it would bring Paz out from under his rock.

    And so it did.

    —–

    • Forum Dog says:

      A fair and positive take, although not necessarily what I’ve seen. The defense has been barely adequate, especially the mid-to-bottom pairs. Their lack of skill on the puck is glaringly obvious, to the point that Davidson has somehow looked like part of the solution. Which is a red-flag IMO. Lot’s of messy or failed breakouts, not a lot of odd-man rushes or puck movement in the offensive zone. Lot’s of shots, but as far as I can tell (and my view might be jaded) not a lot of great opportunities around the net. Everything seems to be a jumble and not clean or coordinated.

      All to say that, despite the shot totals, I have not at any point said to myself ‘aw, this team just needs some luck to turn things around’. They might get it together. I hope they do. But nothing they have done yet this year has instilled a lot of confidence. They are truly a bumbling bunch at the moment. Even the goal they scored last night was a bit fluky.

      It has to get better, and I have faith that it will. Will it get good enough for them to compete? There are about 5 players with ?s over their heads that have to answer that (Galchenyuk; Mete; Jerabek; Hudon; Lehkonen).

      • Mavid says:

        They had their chances but could not finish..when things went south..bumbling is exactly what I saw too..the 5 on 3..some nice passing but that was about it..personally I don’t see anything wrong with Davidson..

        º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

        Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

        • Forum Dog says:

          Cheers Mavid. I think that, for me anyway, the fact that Davidson does not look out of place is part of the problem. Right now, half that defence consists of a 30 year old who has never proven himself to be better than a #6 (Benn), a 26 year old with barely 100 games under his belt (Davidson), and a 19 year old playing his first 4 NHL games. To top it off, the reinforcements are a 30 year old who is on his sixth (6th) team in the last 3 years (Schlemmy), and a 26 year old who has played exactly 1 game in North America (Jerabek)…..

  30. CH Sam says:

    @cheezeburger, would McGuire take the job even with all those contracts on the plate? Out of curiosity, maybe even an interim role to start would be interesting..

  31. Ozmodiar says:

    If a new GM were to take over now, they should strip this thing down to the core:

    – trade Price: 30 yr old goalie, hasn’t delivered in playoffs, 10.5M hit, injuries, should get decent return
    – trade Max: will soon want big contract. is he really captain material? playoff performer?
    – trade Plex: decent return at the deadline, even if 2nd + prospect
    – trade Petry and Shaw, if possible: not sure an explanation is needed here
    (~30M off the books so far)
    – trade for bad, short-term contracts as long as they come with picks
    – send Mete to Junior, let Chucky sink or swim @ C
    – make Weber the captain

    Lehk – Chucky – Drouin
    Hudon – Danault – Gally
    Byron – DLR – Hemsky
    Martinsen – Mitchell – McCarron

    A one year tank, + young assets acquired from Price and Max, + cap space, this team could turn it around quickly.

    For example:
    Tank == R. Dahlin
    + young assets == S. Reinhart, plus another promising RFA-aged player
    + cap space == Tavares or Stastny; 2019 good FA crop on D

  32. SteverenO says:

    Can Drouin play center in the NHL?
    This season so far:

    67-92-11 – 39 Mins TOI 1 GF – 4 GA = – 3
    AVG = 39 Mins per GF & 9.25 Mins per GA
    ______________________________________
    From last season;
    67-27-11 — 72 mins TOI – 6 GF – 0 GA= +6
    41-27-47 – 111 mins TOI – 7 GF – 5 GA =+2
    41-27-11 – 59 mins TOI – 2 GF – 2 GA= +0
    62-27-11 – 42 mins TOI — 1GF – 1 GA= +0
    62-27-41 – 35 mins TOI – 1GF – 1 GA= +0
    67-27-47 – 136 mins TOI 7 GF – 8 GA = -1

    Galchenyuk played a combined total of 455 Minutes as a centerman last season; During that time the team scored 24 goals and allowed 17 goals.
    AVG = 19 Mins per GF & 26.75 mins per GA

    Somehow our millionaire coaches and GM have decided that he, Galchenyuk, cannot play center at the NHL level.

    (All above data is from even strength situations only).

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Well, he is winning faceoffs and skating fast. That counts for something, right?

      Drouin will be fine at centre, but the team would be a lot better off if they had a guy who could play the 2-spot. Unfortunately Galchenyuk isn’t allowed, er, can’t.

  33. Old Bald Bird says:

    I am trying to remember if the second period was bad last year. I think it was. It was awful last night. If they had played in the 2nd like they did in the other 2, they just might have gotten a goal, and the outcome might have been different. Probably not, but sheesh! that was terrible.

    • Mavid says:

      your right..they are a good 3rd period team..

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      Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

  34. HabsFanInTampa says:

    This team is terrible. There’s no way we are making the playoffs.
    It all started to unravel when we let PK go because MT didn’t like him.
    Then we let Rads, Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu all leave. We get Drouin, which is good, but doesn’t balance out all the players that left. Meanwhile Patches plays like he doesn’t want to get hurt, Galchenyuk has skills (so I hear), but no hockey sense. I feel bad for Gallagher and Price that they have to endure this mismanaged team.

    • Richard B says:

      Amen to all that.

      Richard B

    • Mavid says:

      such short memories..Rads wanted to play on another team, we needed to expose players for Vegas..plus I recall all the complaining on here about some of those players we “let go” PK, Markov, Beaulieu..some of the bashing that went on here was epic..I would not bother trying to go back on this site and find it, but you know its true..now all of a sudden 4 games into the new season, those are the ones we “let get away” sheesh..

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      Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

  35. 3 points for a win says:

    MB has been known to say, “expect the unexpected”

    I had a feeling that the Habs would not be strong but I certainly did not expect this. So in a warped way MB was correct in what he was saying.

    I was thinking where Drouin would fit as centre on another team? According to the coaching staff he is the best centre they have.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Ray Ferraro, about as respectable a commentator as you can get, said that MTL’s centres were among the worst in the league. He basically said they have a 3rd liner in Danault, a 2nd come 3rd liner in an aging and increasingly ineffective Plekanec, and a guy who has the potential to be a top-line guy but has never played the centre position in NHL.

      If the centre position is a problem (and I think we can all agree it is borderline weak), the defensive corps is a problem (marginally talented and a bit green), even the best goaltender in the world will have a hard time saving you.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        5 1/2 years ago MB stressed the importance of strength down the middle, and his team is among the weakest in the league at the position.

        That’s saying something.

        • Captain aHab says:

          Yeah but MB’s job is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard.

          —————-
          Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
          Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
          Has been shot and lacks a leader
          Please be there for our blue line

  36. habs-hampton says:

    @hfl 1959. Your line juggling is interesting, but I question any lineup that has Benn in it. I would love to see Lernout called up.

  37. Richard B says:

    Patches is not the solution. Everyone in Montreal thinks he is a wonderful player…but its just because no one else has put it together yet. DD never got Credit for playmaking while Max gets the credit for scoring a scattered goal. Max is a one dimensional player and is the king of turnovers. The focus of the team has got to change from depending on Max to score goals. Last year the team was better when Radulov was on a line with Alex G. And the team will be better this year when Alex G is on a line with Drouin.
    I know everyone reading this loves Max and thinks he is the only goal scorer on the team.
    I hope he gets traded. Every game I watch the PP, and most of the time just before the puck is cleared out of the zone by the defending team its Max that last touched the puck.
    Please trade Max…I don’t care how low his salary is.
    HE IS THE KING OF TURNOVERS

    Richard B

    • Captain aHab says:

      He scores goals and is on a friendly contract but yes, since I don’t think he’ll re-up with the Habs, this year would be good for a trade as we’ll get more than if we wait for the deadline next year. But for that to happen, the Habs would have to be TOTALLY out of it quite early. Might need a GM change also.

      —————-
      Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
      Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
      Has been shot and lacks a leader
      Please be there for our blue line

      • Richard B says:

        Captain aHab,
        I’ve wanted the habs to trade patches for a year and a half. I think once they decided DD was going Patches should have went with him.
        I’m so happy to have a comment from someone that agrees that Patches should be traded.
        Torts wouldn’t have him playing on the #1 unit with Drouin.

        Richard B

    • Forum Dog says:

      I think this might be a bit over the top, but I do agree that Pacioretty does not inspire excellence amongst his mates. He seems to pick and choose who he plays with and who he likes, his physical play and presence is spotty at best, and his level of on-ice effort is rarely if ever the best on the team.

      Other players take a tonne of flack for these very same things, so I’m not sure why Pacioretty escapes criticism. And I’m not talking about criticism on these boards, where he gets a dose, but in the media, where no-one ever has a bad thing to say. Fine I guess, but leaders lead, and I’m not sure you can say that about Pacioretty.

      • Richard B says:

        I couldn’t agree more. Max gets all this praise because he scores goals…often after someone else does all the work or makes a beauty play (like Drouin’s pass when Max scored in game 1).
        And I invite everyone to observe the next PP and how often its Max that turns over the puck on the PP or takes a bone head shot after the rest of the team passes and passes and passes to try and set Max up.
        It makes me want to puke!

        Richard B

    • toneez says:

      Richard , I’m with you as far as I am concerned they couldn’t trade Captain Floater quick enough , he is the one that’s not pulling his weight and others complain about Carey Price and how he should be traded !!! at least he’s earned the reputation as one of the best goaltenders in the NHL …. Patches isn’t even close to being one of the best … We don’t need a floater that scores the majority of his goals in a empty net , and doesn’t go to the hard areas , send him to the Isles in a package for JT … then we’ll be talking !!!

      All Habs all the Time

      • Richard B says:

        Oh!!! the empty net pad the stats goals!
        I almost forgot.
        Severerno…lets look up those stats? In the last few years in patches wonderful goal scoring years…how many are empty netters?

        Oh…and how many were assisted by DD?

        Thanks Toneez, a very good point!

        Richard B

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    GLITCH FINALLY CORRECTED

    MTL. CANADIENS GAMES, BLACK OUTS ARE OVER.!
    AS OF 6am OCT. 11th, ALL GAMES WILL BE TELEVISED IN BELLEVILLE NORTH TO PETAWAWA REGION.

  39. miamihabs says:

    For GM,

    I am going to throw out a name, mind you nobody ever considered, that we all remember and loved as a player, great one too, for GM.
    Not Patrick too hot headed. While the tough guy act may work in the beginning, in the long run it won’t work because the players will resent it. The days of coaches/GM’s like Mike Keenan types are over.
    Anyway, back to my GM. Has GM experience for the Swedish National Team (Gold winning). How about Mats Naslund? If he would come back to Canada? He is not just an ex player thrown into the role, he has managed youth hockey and as I mentioned their National team.
    He would bring the same passion as a GM that he had as a player. Better than MB.

    • Captain aHab says:

      I missed the part where Naslund has been taking French lessons.

      —————-
      Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
      Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
      Has been shot and lacks a leader
      Please be there for our blue line

      • miamihabs says:

        French Huh? He was a Hab for years, how do we know he does not speak french? Anyway, some of the best European players came from Sweden, Finland. Mats would know that market well.
        We need scorers, he would know that talent.

        • Captain aHab says:

          Maybe he does. But he has to is my point. Whether people like it or not is irrelevant.

          —————-
          Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
          Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
          Has been shot and lacks a leader
          Please be there for our blue line

  40. adamkennelly says:

    nobody is taking Price – anyone suggesting a trade is feasible is out of their minds…

    boooorrrrriiiing….no goals, no hits, no nothing…this team is not good….again Rads and Markov should be on this version of the Habs and they are not – what did you expect?

    • Richard B says:

      Markov has been the #1 asset on the PP for the Habs for as long as I can remember.
      Not signing Markov was insulting on a personal level and a bonehead decision for a GM that wants to win hockey games.
      He was playing 28 minutes a game last year as the #2 (or #1) D. Hard to believe he didn’t deserve another year or two!
      And I didn’t need the team to go 1-3 to have that opinion.

      Richard B

  41. So its been a rough start to this season so far!! Lack of scoring is a major issue as a result of NO net presence IMO. Perimeter shooting and opposing goalie see everything coming his way. Where are the so call guys like Shaw and Gallagher too?

    Gallagher has to go and do corner work for Drouin and Pacioretty resulting in no net presence. Therefore, This line needs to be changed immediately in order to score.

    IMO, Put Pacioretty back with Galchenyuk and Gallagher. They had success in the past before AG27 got injuried. Having a 1st line of Hudon – Drouin – Lehkonen to start against Leafs on HNIC would be electrifying!! That would be a threat for net presence and a possibility to score too.

    So IMO, Would like to see these lines to see IF scoring chances would benefit a better chance to score? Not holding my breathe either. IF ONLY CJ & GMMB could see this?

    Hudon- Drouin- Lehkonen
    Pacioretty- Galchenyuk- Gallagher
    De La Rose- Plekanec- Hemsky
    Byron- Danault- Shaw

    Mete- Weber
    Alzner- Petry
    Davidson- Benn

    Price

    Go Habs Go
    Keep the Faith
    We Believe

    • Mmmich says:

      Drouin, Hudon, Lehkonen is the best suggestion I’ve heard in a long while. I like any line that has Hudon and Lehkonen on it. Adding Drouin makes this an elite line.

    • Bash says:

      I like your thinking.

      “Damn it Jim I’m not a doctor; I’m a hockey expert.”

    • 25soonenough says:

      see, now people are making sense. Put your best offensive horses together and let them run. Let the bottom 6 worry about checking and defensive assignments. Score some freak n goals.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  42. jacquesthemonkey says:

    When Bergevin started I remember him saying that the team needed to be developed through the draft and I agreed. Since then we have seen very few home grown players making the team. So many hopefuls like Tinordi, Pateryn and Beaulieu are long gone and there doesn’t seem to be many potential top six or top four players on the horizon. It’s difficult to trade for assets that you need to fill holes when you have very little to offer in exchange. The result is lateral moves like Subban-Webber or Sergachev-Drouin. This is why the team hasn’t gotten better, just older.

    • Ton says:

      Agreed. There’s the unknown element of luck but too many first round failures. You need at least 60% of your picks to pan out……….not the case for us.

    • twilighthours says:

      Building through the draft….

      what a tired sentiment. Every team builds through the draft – until they have are legit contenders, and then they deal some picks or prospects to make a run.

      There is nothing novel or interesting about building through the draft. Further, it’s the easiest thing in the world for an incoming GM to say: it places the blame on the previous regime, and buys the new guy many years because – hey – he has to build through the draft.

      Bergevin’s draft record has been middling. He’s actually dealt his most productive draftee*, Andrighetto, for literally nothing that helps the Canadiens.

      So if you’re going to build through the draft, if that’s the cornerstone of the strategy, well then you’d better be good at it.**

      *No, I’m not counting Galchenyuk because it took no skill or forethought to make that pick. Every person in the world would have made it.

      **Mete looks like a steal. Hudon looks promising, too.

      • jacquesthemonkey says:

        Building through the draft is your starting point. If you can’t draft and develop talent then trades and free agent signings aren’t going to be enough.

  43. Train says:

    Price for Tavares, straight up. Lindgren is going to be an all-star and he is NHL ready now. And yes, get rid of Bergevin and bring in Patrick and let him do his thing. The guy is a winner and that’s what this organization needs.

    • Ton says:

      How does this make sense………….Gretzky a winner…..yes as a coach no………….Rocket Richard as winner as a coach…….no…………Guy Lafleur would not even try it…………..how is Roy a winner……pot luck speculation!

      • Butterface says:

        Because he speaks French and is willing to come (maybe)… that’s a winner in this town.

        ***********************
        If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…..
        ***********************

    • 25soonenough says:

      It makes sense because what this organization needs most is an enema.

      A total reboot, and, Patrick would be ballsy enough to come in and can everyone in sight and start over. That’s why it makes sense. Starting with Julien Brisebois as the new GM, assuming of course that Patrick is in the head office as Prez of Hockey Ops.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  44. BJ says:

    I think I’m at this point. Does Price to Edmonton for Draisaitl + something and you bring up Lindgren work for anyone here? We have so many holes that we need to get younger long term as the hope of we are 1-2 players away from being competing for the Cup, is an illusion.

    My good friend Gilles Gratton has his biography out now. Got his website together and you can view and order his book at: http://www.gillesgratton.com

    • twilighthours says:

      It doesn’t work for the Oilers.

    • DMAN says:

      Except the Oilers don’t need Price.

    • Ton says:

      Puzzled to as why we think other players are available. Draisaltl is a fixure in Edmonton. They have a capable goalie………..there are not going to fund 10 million dollars for a goalie…….they will have to manage cap space when the Mcdavid contract kicks in.

    • Captain aHab says:

      The time to trade Price would have been last year. Too late.

      —————-
      Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
      Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
      Has been shot and lacks a leader
      Please be there for our blue line

      • Butterface says:

        Yup….. between the end of the playoffs and before he signed for 1 Billion dollars. It should have been a sign and trade with the team receiving Price making the contract decisions

        I was all for it, but lots of detractors…. including management.

        It is a Branding thing. Price is an easy sell. Respectful. Plays for Team Canada. Elite. Squeaky Clean (as far as I know). Something you can make the face of your franchise. An anchor to sell your BRAND.

        Lindgren would have been too chancy.

        Molson and Bergevin played it safe and safe keeps you average, but your Brand which has 24 Cups and loads of history does not get embarrassed (well this year maybe) and does not get sullied.

        Bergevin fell for the same thing Gainey did in Montreal, the same thing Burke did in Toronto and the same thing Glen Sather did in NY…. fear of total rebuild, fear of taking chances, fear of hurting the brand.

        ***********************
        If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…..
        ***********************

  45. marvin20 says:

    I try to be optimistic but the sad reality is that this team is total garbage. Small, soft, can’t score same old story. I’m glad I did not waste any money on tickets or cable packages. I’m not one to torture myself so I’m going tune out and find something else to do for a while. If something changes i might come back. However j really don’t like this team and no longer enjoy watching them and very quickly loosing interest.

    marvin20. Out

  46. BJ says:

    Just wondering how much patience Molson will have before he brings in Patrick Roy (to fill the empty seats) or Julien Brisebois and asks Bergevin to leave? I read recently that the Habs have won only 8 games in regular time during the last 40 + games going back to last season.

    My good friend Gilles Gratton has his biography out now. Got his website together and you can view and order his book at: http://www.gillesgratton.com

    • twilighthours says:

      This seemed like a crazy bit of info, so I looked it up.

      In four games so far this year: 0 wins in regulation.

      In the final 31 games of the season last season (February and on), 8 regulation wins.

      The record over that time: 18-15-2

    • 25soonenough says:

      I would say a 5-15 record in the first quarter of the season would get that done. A few jerseys tossed on the ice would help and some fans with paper bags on their heads. Brisebois would have to agree to come here but he would be a MASSIVE improvement over MB.

      –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

  47. HNS says:

    Another year of Le Suck.

  48. Paz says:

    Seems like Bergevin can never get his team balanced properly.
    Balancing the roster with skill, size, speed, offence, defence, power play, penalty kill, is the GMs most important responsibility.

    Every year Bergevin teams are sorely lacking.

    If you added a veteran top 4 dman, like Markov, and a veteran, hard working, talented winger, like Radulov, this team would be significantly better.

    Instead, there are massive holes throughout the lineup, the team lacks balance everywhere, and Bergevin is staring at 8.5 million in the Cap bank account.

    That’s poor management.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      There doesn’t appear to be a plan in place. In year 6, i still can’t tell what he’s trying to do.

      It seems like he wants a team who can grind it out and win low scoring games, riding Price’s coattails to the playoffs … even if it’s an early exit.

      At this point, we should be seeing the fruits of his plan. The team should be hitting it’s stride on the upswing. Instead, they’re headed south while the future looks bright for their rivals.

      • twilighthours says:

        This is the salient point. There is no plan. If there is one thing that is obvious to me about the way this GM works, it’s that he’s got no plan.

      • Paz says:

        Yes. I agree with all of this.
        He started with several excellent pieces in place, and today the team has several excellent players. No further ahead. Just a sideways pattern going on 6 years. One step forward….one back.
        With 70 plus million to spend, and tons of young talent entering the league every season, every team has, by default, several excellent players on their roster.
        Then, the best teams are managed well. The rest of the roster balances the teams needs effectively.
        Bergevin just never gets the roster balanced.

        Today’s team lacks an established number 1 center, a number 2 dman,
        a big power forward who can score the dirty goals from the blue paint, and even the number 5/6 dmen positions are still wide open because what they have is really bad. Too many left wingers, not enough right wingers.

        It’s just not nearly good enough by NHL standards.

  49. Captain aHab says:

    Random thoughts:

    1) Imagine if you will just how bad the D would be if Mete had not come out of nowhere. Unless Jerabek is great, I don’t think they can currently afford to send the kid down as I can’t see anyone to replace him with a similar skill set. And when Juulsen is ready, he’ll have a short AHL stint and then come up to replace the assortment of puds we have taking space on the blue line at the moment.

    2) I am going to set a performance threshold before I start watching again: either a 3 game win streak or 4 goals in a single game.

    3) The typical average shooting % in the NHL is around 9% with yearly lows around 7-7.5%. So one line of thinking could be that the Habs – on the basis of 30-35 shots per game – are bound to eventually score 2-3 goals per game. But then the D has been so bad that this is unlikely to be enough to win games.

    4) There is no way Pacioretty re-ups with the Habs. He clearly wants out. Some US team will give him a huge 7-year deal.

    5) Price has been paid and, as the last line of defense, he now pretty much controls the team. If he decides to mail it in a little to get someone fired, he can. There is no way they sit him.

    6) Based on how little depth we have at C, I would not be surprised at all to see Plekanec extended again. If they somehow make that mistake, next year we will get 2015-2016 Pleks instead of this year’s version.

    7) I read posts about how a management house cleaning is required to right the ship and I am back to 6 years ago when the same thing was said. And the team might actually be worse now. Careful what we wish for.

    8) I predict that – 5 years from now – the amnesty buyouts for the Habs will be Weber and Price.

    —————-
    Oh my Dahlin, oh my Dahlin
    Oh my Dahlin, our blue line
    Has been shot and lost forever
    Please be there for our blue line

  50. habsfan0 says:

    Losing to the Capitals,Rangers,& Blackhawks is one thing.
    But lose to the Laffs on HNIC on a Saturday night,especially if Austin Matthews & company blows them out ending a 14 game undefeated streak, would be an entirely different kettle of fish.
    Patrick Roy will be watching.

  51. habs-hampton says:

    What happened to “going to the net”? I don’t recall Crawford being even slightly bothered by anyone, not even Gally or Shaw. 40 shots isn’t that threatening when most of them are unscreened from 35 feet away, which means no 2nd chances. I assume there is a Stat for 2nd chances and I would guess that we would be near the bottom.

  52. on2ndthought says:

    Boring?
    Three losses: to the Caps, Rangers, and Blackhawks: shots in those games:
    39-23
    34-25
    42-25
    Guess which team is the left hand column. Now, shots aren’t everything; they are sometimes not indicative of the play, but they were in those games.

    The collective hysteria here is amazing. It’s a black hole of despair. I’m not going there. Not just because the season is young, not just because Price will be better; but because we have good players playing hard.

    Win or lose, this is my team. My GM, my coach, my goalie, my D, my forwards. Mine! MINE, I TELL YOU!!! Oops, sorry, got a little carried away, but that is to be expected in the midst of a losing streak!

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    “Please. This isn’t a bar fight. Have some class.” – Adrian Tepes

    • Cal says:

      Is that you, Geoff?
      Perimeter shots with no screens don’t win hockey games.

      • on2ndthought says:

        Cal, that is nonsense. We went right at them, had them on the ropes. No luck (or skill, or whatever), except for Plek’s goal, which was as flukey as they come.

        – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
        “Please. This isn’t a bar fight. Have some class.” – Adrian Tepes

  53. Cal says:

    With no Habs until Saturday night so, in this era of live streams, there’s no reason to miss high octane hockey games.
    At 7:30 EDT, the Devils-Leafs should be an entertaining game tonight, as well as the Washington-Pittsburgh tilt.

  54. delete says:

    Byron pots the two breakaways and Price has a better night and we’d all be planning our spots on the parade route. But as they say, “if ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we’d all have a wonderful day!”

  55. Mmmich says:

    I just watched my first game of the season last night. This team is disappointing. And the team is boring. It’s the reason there are empty seats. I’m not one to dwell on the past, and I usually support our GM’s moves, but I am starting to believe the repeated loss of fan favourite players is having an effect. Fans are bored and apathetic. I’m bored and apathetic.

    That said, the team’s play wasn’t boring, per say. They drove the play much of the game. But they had little sustained pressure. Chicago players were there to clean up rebounds and cut off passes that could otherwise have ended up as scoring chances. Chicago repeatedly cleared the zone with ease.

    I hate to say it, but this team looks like what I remember from the post-Price disaster season of 15/16. This game felt similar to many of those games, where they played well and got shots, but just couldn’t score.

    That said, Drouin is looking like the real deal, but isn’t getting much help. Galchenyuk is being wasted playing on the 3rd or 4th lines. Sure he makes bonehead passes, but he’s at least somewhat exciting to watch and shows flashes of brilliance. G should be put on D’s wing, to see what happens. It’s like they’re afraid to give G a chance, for fear he makes a mistake. News flash: The current lines aren’t working!

    • Mavid says:

      Was it actually confirmed to not be a sell out..I only saw that it was after sale tickets..

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      Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

  56. habs001 says:

    So Vegas matches the Habs goal production in the first eleven minutes of their game…Good news is that i heard the Rangers had a line called the GAG line(The GAG line, which as an acronym for Goal-A-Game, was a famous ice hockey line for the New York Rangers in the late 1960s and early 1970s)..Ranger fans were pretty happy with this line so Hab fans should be way happier as the Rangers only had one line while the Habs have a whole team.

  57. Strummer says:

    Yes it’s still early in the season and the Habs are 31st in shooting percentage at 2.6%.
    However they are ranked 5th in Hits!!
    Who said they are too small and soft?
    Perhaps their energies need to be re-focused.

    I can’t figure these guys out.

    -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-


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