About last night …

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(Gazette photo by Peter McCabe)

Montreal fans like to torment Leaf supporters by chanting “’67!”, a mocking reference to the last year Toronto won the Stanley Cup.

Here’s new one they might want to try:

“’41!”

The Canadiens have won one of their first seven games this season.

It’s their worst start since 1941.

That year, the NHL season began Nov. 1. The  Canadiens lost their opener to Detroit, then tied Chicago before losing to Toronto, twice to Brooklyn and to the Rangers.

The Canadiens didn’t get their first win until Nov. 23 – then they lost five more. They finished sixth in a seven-team NHL that season, winning only 18 of their 48 games.

But 1941 was tough all over. Hitler invaded the Soviet Union and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Fascism was on the March. It looked grim.

Now doesn’t that contextualize the Canadiens’ difficulties?

Yes, they are dead last in the Eastern Conference – and they’d be last in the league if the NHL didn’t have a team in Columbus.

The Canadiens have two goals on the power play this season. Their PP efficiency is 6.9 per cent – 29th in the league.

The Canadiens had the NHL’s seventh best power play last season, with an efficiency of 19.7.

But fear not!

If Jacques Martin keeps using Mathieu Darche in 5-on-3 situations – as he did against Toronto – I’m sure that 6.9 will be up to 7.0 in no time at all.

That’s not a knock on Darche, who is a good, honest hockey player who leaves it all out on the ice and earns every nickel of his $700,000 annual salary.

But on a team that is losing with a PP that’s struggling, Darche had 3:12 seconds of power-play ice time.

Erik Cole – who had five hits, battled for the puck and may have played his best game as a Canadien – wasn’t used on any of the team’s four power-play opportunities.

When asked about it after the game, Jacques Martin got a bit testy. The coach cited Cole’s power-play stats in Caroline last season: three goals.

Fine. He’s not a PP specialist.

But Cole was the prize UFA signing of the off-season. He’s making $18 million over four years … and he had as much power-play time as Aaron Palushaj and Andreas Engqvist.

I don’t get it.

Martin also blamed Cole for one of the two bench minors the Canadiens took against Toronto. With three calls through seven games, the team is on pace to exceed last season’s league-leading total of 14 Too Many Men penalties.

Want more grim stats?

After yielding two PP goals to the Leafs, the penalty-kill’s efficiency  is 81.2, 20th in the league. Last season the Canadiens were seventh with 84.4 efficiency.

Travis Moen leads your Montreal Canadiens in scoring, while Brian Gionta has taken the most penalties.

What the heck is going on here?

What’s happening is the Canadiens are digging themselves a deep hole that will be hard to climb out of.

Calgary and New Jersey had similarly lousy starts last season. Both teams missed the playoffs – even though the Devils caught fire after Jacques Lemaire took over behind the bench.

We keep waiting for a spark to get the Canadiens going, and there were a couple of inspirational goals against the Leafs: the Travis Moen shortie to open the scoring less than two minutes in, a patented AK46 wrister to make it 2-1, Mike Cammalleri’s one-timer to tie it at 3 and another one by that sniper Moen to give the Canadiens a third-period lead that had the Bell Centre rocking.

But this is a fragile team that can’t stand prosperity.

With the exception of the Winnipeg game – which seems long ago and aberrational – the Canadiens have not held a two-goal lead this season. And they’ve blown one-goal leads in losses to Calgary, Colorado, Buffalo and the Leafs.

Now you wanna get really depressed?

NHL stats have Carey Price 41st among NHL goaltenders – just ahead of Jaro Halak.

Price’s GAA of 3.13 is 45th in the league. His 87.8 save percentage is 46th.

Price made some highlight reel saves against Toronto. But through seven games, he’s given up five goals to the Leafs and Avalanche, four to Calgary.

Enough numbers.

And enough negativity.

Lars Eller played like a Top Six centre. He was 9-7 on draws, had two assists and blocked three shotsHe was easily the best Canadien … and we’ll be saying that on many nights for a lot of years. Eller and Moen – who is, not coincidentally, in a contract year – were plus-3.

Eller had four minutes of PK team but – go figure – all of 12 seconds on that red-hot Habs power play.

The Canadiens practice Sunday morning and they play Florida at the Bell Centre on Monday night.

Then it’s a mid-week back-to-back – home to the Flyers, in Boston – before the Bruins visit to complete what’s been a grim October.

The Germans got as far as the outskirts of Moscow in 1941.

Maybe winter will help the Canadiens.

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Oops, I nearly forgot to mention that Roman Hamrlik played 21:23, blocked three shots and was plus-2 in Washington’s 7-1 spanking of the Red Wings.

294 Comments

  1. Ton says:

    Obvious there’s a rift developing between players and martin. Image Cole is new to the team and signs a contract for 4 years, moves his family and I think he played a good game yesterday. Its coming apart. Now I hear the replacement talk, give me a break, Savard, Bowman, etc. I just hope the present management does not mortgage the future by making a trade. I hope Molson can stop it if its in the works. Cudo’s to Brian Burke he’s tapped into the NHL brass and can make great trades, not just with the leafs!!!! were battling other issues and those issues play in the building of the team and whether the players want to play here! If this falls apart no other free agents will come here only the ones that are looking for one last fat pay day. Positives Moen is playing great, best hockey of his career and Yemelin is impressing me. Simply, makes the play and aggressive, he will be ok

  2. habstrinifan says:

    Simple question really! The answer you give should reveal to yourself the irony of our misfortune.

    “When Cole was signed in the summer, by PG, did you think that your your conversation today, concerning Cole, would be centred around JM’s identification of Cole as his new waterboy.

  3. TommyB says:

    Are we supposed to get excited if Montreal beats Florida? Looking past the next game, it looks very grim. The Flyers and two with the Bruins. Suppose the Habs win vs Florida, and squeak one out from the three games after that. Does that make them a good team again? We all know the answer, I think.

    JM has used up all of his tricks. And his tricks haven’t fooled many. Does he deserve to continue as coach? Does a healthy roster change things in that respect? Again, I think we know the answers. Little things are beginning to show up that seemingly demonstrate that the players do not have their coach’s back. Cole’s rinkside interview by Cassie Campbell last week, paired with JM’s comments on Cole/our PP after last night’s loss, drives home the message that all is not well in that room. How can you go out and court a free agent over the summer, sign him, and then allow your coach to treat that player in that manner? Is Cole the big a**hole here? I doubt it. What message have you sent to next summer’s crop of free agents?

    Regardless of JM’s record, past and present, it sure looks to me that the coaching ranks on the Habs needs to be refreshened. You look at the young players on the roster now, and the ones coming up the pipe, and you have to ask yourself if you have the right man behind the bench. Once more, I think we know the answer to the question. Put friendship or whatever aside PG. Make the move. Even putting Cunneyworth in as interim coach while waiting for someone else to become available would be a wise move. Could make a world of difference, and could not, but what do the Habs have to lose at this point. I’m not basing these thoughts on the won/loss record thus far. I’m basing these thougths on the totally uninspired play I’m seeing in every game so far, except for some reason the game vs Buffalo. Fix it.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s going to be a very long night of watching our defense get crushed into the glass by the Bruins…

      • TheAmerican says:

        And, unfortunately, I’ve got great seats for the beating.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yup, i actually feel very sorry for the players going into the Boston series. Those goons will smell blood in the water and go apeshit, no pun intended just reality. It isn’t right, but they will take all their early season frustrations out on us.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          And players like Lucic and Horton just froth at the mouth because they know that besides Moen, not one person on the team will do a single thing if they play physical and taunt the Canadiens before or after the whistle.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I can’t believe the audio from JM last night. Its one thing to be dismissive to the reporter, but he absolutely threw Cole under the bus with that response. What the F^CK does he have against Cole.

      I thought PG/JM were close, why does a GM sign a prize free agent and then allow his coach to treat that prize like Dog Feces?

      • TommyB says:

        Bizzare, to say the least. Good luck chasing the next free agent.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’m not saying I want Darche on the PP, especially in place of Cole, but I think Martin puts him there because he’s good at keeping the cycle alive and in front of the next.

        Shows how desperate we are for those types of players. Most teams have players like Darche but that can also score 30 goals!

        I was ragging on Darche last night than all of a sudden i saw him keep the cycle alive on back-to-back occasions when i thought the Leafs were going to clear the zone.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          But I also watched him on two consective possessions in the Toronto zone make horrible chips resulting in losing possession. He simply is not a skilled player. He is a role player being asked to play a skilled role. Size and effort does not produce skill. It isn’t his fault it is the coach putting a square peg in a round hole and not realizing it doesn’t fit.

  4. geo_habsgo says:

    I truly think that Martin is a great coach if he had the time to review game tapes and prepare well in advance of a game. He is a thinker and understands the game very well. My evidence to this is how most games this season have showed the Habs jumping out of the gate playing dominant hockey. Notice how they practiced crashing the net last week and how within the first five minutes that’s what the players were doing.

    That being said, Martin is a lousy bench coach. He does not know how to improvise during the game and adapt the playing style on the fly. He’s seems to think that offence is magic and that you just need to find the right combo, so he mixes the lines up each shift. I think that is what’s ailing the team right now. They have no proper direction on the ice. That’s why we’ve been seeing so much individual play from our team because I think most players have realized the problems and those who are able have tried to carry the team on its back.

    It really is a tough situation because as much as I think Martin is a smart coach, he doesn’t seem to have the tools to lead the team during the games.

  5. Hobie Hansen says:

    The one positive I saw from last night was the Canadiens were actually putting some pressure of the Leafs’ defense with a pretty decent forecheck, it caused some turnovers and scoring chances.

    They were also dumping it in and big bodies like Cole, Pacioretty, Kostitsyn and Eller actually were able to fight their way through traffic and come up with the puck.

    Unfortunately the Canadiens’ defense is a disaster. Subban is playing like a nervous rookie, Gill is good on one shift and exposed on the next and I think Gorges has too much pressure on him and isn’t quite back to where he once was. I also think Gorges is a hard worker but fans and media get a little carried away when they call him an elite shutdown defenseman.

    Diaz is tiny, Yemelin is still learning the game and Weber isn’t exactly great in his own end either.

    Even if Markov comes back I still think it is imperative that Montreal makes a trade for a big and physical top four defenseman. Or it could be a very long season. Hamrlik might not have been overly physical but he was a steady presence and his absence is truly being felt right now.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Aside from Markov and White, injuries cannot be used as an excuse. Last nights game in our own zone would have looked no different with Campoli or Spacek playing in place of Diaz/Emelin/Weber (any2 of them).
    Spacek and Campoli provide 0 physical presence. Yes they have experience, but the majority of their careers has been on teams where there is big tough dmen playing with them.

    Our Defence is getting completely manhandled in our zone. After every pass they make they were getting pasted into the glass by Maple Leaf Forwards. Did we see any of our forwards do that to Maple Leaf Dmen? I mean hits not fly by brushes.

    Why do our power forwards not do the same? Because JM wants them floating around the blueline ready to play defence. Our team essentially invites the opportunity to be outhit. I am no fan of goon hockey, but the game is physical, and we currently have 0 pushback.

    The linejuggling is absurd and the unwillingness to play the players in roles which suit them. Last night Eller showed very good poise at center with Moen and Kostitsyn. Keep that line together, Cammy/Plex need a big body on that line give them Cole and let that line develop. DD is a nice player but cannot carry the puck out of our zone, like it or not Gomez needs to be the current 3rd line center. He does have the abilit to carry the puck out of zone.

    All that said, will anything happen…. it has too.

    JM you have had a long shelf life, the preservatives are no longer working and you are now stale. PG your complete unwillingness to have this team have any grit other than WHite for the 4th line has exposed your passe view of hockey, you also are stale.

    This team has lots of questions, time for some answers.

  7. harrow15 says:

    ETA on Campoli, Spacek and White? Those 3 will make a big difference.

    • harrow15 says:

      Furthermore, JM SHOULD put Cole on the powerplay, so he can get one as a Hab and build confidence to get more! I mean it must be easier to score with the man advantage right?

      WAR MACHIDA

      • Bill J says:

        You should hear JM defend Cole not being on the PP… Unreal!


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      • HabinBurlington says:

        How does Campoli and Spacek help? Campoli is toast for 2-3 months and this guy never had a training camp, he is a waste. Spacek will help for 1/2 a game then get run again because he is fragile and will be nicked up until his next 2 week injured stint. Ryan WHITE would help, but is at least a month away it appears. The fact we are waiting (I am Too) for a 2nd year 4th liner shows how desperate times are.

        • harrow15 says:

          Campoli and Spacek have more experience and would not have allowed toronto to run price and get all up in his crease so easy. And they might have just helped by being a change of face on the point on the PP.

          WAR MACHIDA

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I don’t recall ever seeing either of these guys preventing physical players from playing physical. I agree they have experience, but from a perspective of us being physically outlplayed they offer very very little. Spacek is just old and done. Campoli has some offensive ability but really is just an older version of Diaz.

    • Bill J says:

      In order of return….

      Spacek, White, Campoli…

      Bad News is that White is months away from returning, and that is telling for how long till Campoli returns.


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      • harrow15 says:

        So unlucky.. I actually liked the Campoli signing.

        JM shouldnt be looking at Cole’s PP stats last year. This guy scores more goals than Darche, bigger than Darche, and has been skating just as hard as Darche. Put Cole in front of the net for a creen on the PP, with Cammi and Gio on the wings, with Subban and Weber as point.

        PP2 = Kostitsyn, Pleks and Pacioretty, with Gill and Diaz.

        “If it aint broken, dont fix it”

        ATTN Jacques Martin, if it isnt working CHANGE IT!

  8. CranbrookEd says:

    It is not an uncommon occurrence, that the coach of a professional sports team takes the fall for the poor performance of his (often) over-payed and nonperforming players. This has and will continue to occur. At times some very good coaches have been let go because of players who stopped performing, not because of their (the coach) performance. At other times the coach is let go to try and affect change with an under performing group of players. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

    Thinking back to the summer when the HABS were being picked by everyone to make the playoffs, albeit in the last few available spots, it was clear that the players who are currently on the roster were thought to be good enough to accomplish this feat. There was nobody predicting that the HABS would not make the playoffs or even worse, be in last place in the east. So what has changed, other than the obvious injuries which are part of the puzzle for everyone?!

    What is not factored into many off-season predictions if the coaching staff. Unfortunately, this is a significant feature with this current version of the HABS. It makes no sense to me that over-payed professional athletes need to be coddled to the extent that they are, just to have them earn their money – another topic all-together and one which reflects on how off base our society is. The HABS have player talent that is not being properly utilized.

    The strength of ANY system is its’ ability to evolve and to make use of the strengths of the people that are available to implement it while sticking to the basic principles behind the thinking/theory/philosophy. If Mr. Martin’s vaunted system stresses defense first, then that is just great. I actually agree that it is a sound defensive system that is required to be successful. However, that “system” must be flexible enough to use the strengths of the players that are available, otherwise it becomes nothing more than another theoretical system that fails as a result of not looking up and dealing with reality.

    Mr. Martin’s system is not using the strengths of players that he has to work with. Over the last number of years the complaint has been the small forwards that have (and continue) to be on the HABS. The powerplay is hampered by not having big players who will drive the net and stay there to create a crowd in front of the opposing goaler. If Cole does not historically score a lot of powerplay goals, surely he is large enough to be the guy standing in front and creating traffic on the powerplay! Yet, he does not get time on the powerplay. Either Martin does not like Cole or he is hurt (which does not appear to be the case). Whether Martin likes Cole or not, he has him on the team so use him properly.

    The time has pretty much arrived for Mr. Martin to be replaced. We need someone who also has a system. But we need someone who recognizes that the system needs to be flexible enough to be able to respond to and utilize the personnel that are on the roster . . . not ignoring the strengths of players while trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. We should not be hearing each night (both from the coach and the players) about how the players need to execute the system “better.” If this is the common post-game reflection, then the players are not or cannot execute the system on a regular enough basis to be successful. Perhaps if the system could respond to differing situations . . .

    CranbrookEd
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  9. Cam_1 says:

    We are doomed. The team sucks. The coach sucks. The GM sucks. The entire upper management/ front office sucks. …and finally yes…the owners suck. The Molson brothers are gonna stand by and do squat……cuz they don’t care…..cuz their pockets aint empty..they are rich…….and they are soft. Molson brothers are weak, incompetent, soft and delusional………they ain’t gonna do squat. I will finish off the same way I started. We are doomed !!!

  10. New says:

    I guess you have to look at it as this team has been losing consistently. The gameplan seems to be get a lead and sit on the lead. There are injuries. The substitutes don’t look all that bad. They pay at cap. Players cut, traded, or waived go on to play very well for other teams. The coach plays who he wants when he wants. The coach has never won anything with his ways.

    So you have to attribute the whole thing to: A) injuries, B) inept players, or C)coaching. The simplest explanation usually being the valid one is that the players have quit on the coach and staff.

    No player would say such a thing. Fans will. Of course some will blame the goaltender, the D, or the forwards. It is easy to blame individuals. Like claiming your kids quarreling in the back caused you to hit the parked car beside the road. Sounds good but means nothing. You were behind the wheel and lost control.

  11. DearyLeary says:

    Yakupov, Yakupov!

    I was kind of numb last night watching that debacle, didn’t realize Eller was a +3. That’s unreal in a game where we surrendered 5 goals.

    Unfortunately, Gomez gets back and Eller will be a third line center, or on the wing, with decreasing amounts of ice time.

    The reign of the Darche power-play (hope to god it deflects off your body) will continue as long as Martin coaches here.

  12. habsnyc says:

    Sadly, I expect management to trade what little future this team has in order to squeak into the playoffs. Pittsburgh is good enough to win without Malkin and Crosby. Philadelphia can win without Carter and Richards. But take Spacek and Campoli out of the lineup for Montreal and the team is at the bottom of the league. I guess that makes our 5 and 6 defensemen the most valuable players in the league.

    I wonder if the plethora of two many men on the ice penalties is directly related to the frequency of linemate changes.

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  13. habstrinifan says:

    Boone’s article “about last night” says it all. What more evidence of JM’s defunct coaching acumen, do we need, other than the compendium contained in Boone’s analysis of JM’s strategies and explanations for those strategies.

    It would not be a disaster for the franchise if JM were the type to embrace the concept of inviting new blood and new ideas onto the table to his coaching… but he isn’t and the effects on this team will last beyond his departure.

    I hope the deleterious effect of this regime transfers off the ice and onto the profit margin and community team-support. For it is only when
    Molson and the ownership group must ‘earn’ the fans’ dollars and interest will someone emerge and act to put a prideful, aggressively modern and resourceful team in place to conduct the hockey operations which will propel this team back to the elite level bequeathed it by the ‘warriors’ and ‘builders’ of the past.

    The blame also lies, unfortunately, on us fans who have accepted this slow dilapidation while laughing at other less ‘storied’ franchises. We have now awakened to find that not only does our emperor have no clothes but he is afflicted with a bad case of the runs.

    I remember a few years years ago, when Mike Keenan was flitting from team to team, a friend and I, idly making a list of coaches who should no longer be candidates to coach in the new NHL. Mike Keenan headed the list. Second was JM. Alas!

  14. HABZ24 says:

    how far does this slide go before moves are made? its clear jack martin doesnt have control of this team anymore, whatever system he has isnt working, you cant fire 23 players, so replace the coach.hopefully with a guy with some kind of emotion.hell patrick roy would be better.

    GO HABS GO

  15. Stuck_in_To. says:

    I was hoping they’d eke out the win and then play Budjai in the next game. I truly think Price needs his reset button hit. Nothing more than that. And 60 minutes in front of Budjai might get the team thinking more about responsibility.

  16. Habfan10912 says:

    The coach hasn’t lost this team. The team has lost the coach. There is no rhyme or reason with his decisions and most players are confused. We as fans sure as hell are too. If we are going to turn this around a change needs to be made.

    “Do your research”.

  17. JohnBellyful says:

    I don’t know about you guys but I’m still planning a parade. I’ll bring the tar, who’s got the feathers?

  18. 24 Cups says:

    Yesterday’s Florida-Vancouver trade kind of got lost in the shuffle due to the Montreal loss. It’s pretty big news for this time of the year.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/42488-Campbell-Booth-to-Canucks-looks-moneymotivated.html

  19. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    It all came together when Grabovski was mugging Price and Diaz stood there looking embarrassed. I like(d) Diaz, and he has shown some good things. But that was a defining moment, and a bus ticket to Hamilton.

    The Gauthier/Gainey regime has assembled a decent team, but the defence is very weak this year. It’s bound to be weak when you are integrating so many inexperienced players – you can’t just wave a wand and get solid defence. Hamrlik was let go to make room for growth, but D-men who allow their goalie to get kicked and pummelled don’t grow very well.
    I’ve been a Martin supporter here – no more. He has shown consistent bad judgment with his use of Darche (a great guy on a team, in a proper role) and his use of the scoring forwards. Yes, it’s early in the season, and panic is a word that gets thrown around. Like a lot of fans, I have nothing to panic about. I’m just watching bad hockey from a poorly coached team.

    • RGM says:

      That was at least the 5th time I have yelled at my television due to a member of the opposing team bumping/hitting/interfering with Price and seeing absolutely zero consequences. I hate the Boston Bruins more than just about anything else and I do not condone their style of play, but can you imagine a situation in which Tim Thomas gets bowled over and has somebody holding him down, and the response from Zdeno Chara/Milan Lucic/Nathan Horton/Sean Thornton is to just stand there and let it happen? Why do the Habs stand idly by and allow their best player to be continually mugged?

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  20. Viruk42 says:

    Okay, so Hamrlik played did he? Good for him. Of course, so did other past Habs, I’m sure, but it really doesn’t matter. Is Gauthier supposed to be able to predict when 3 of his top 6 are going to be injured? Okay, Markov he could know about, but he had the depth for that – as evidenced by the fact they have 6 Dmen playing with 3 injuries. But he surely couldn’t be expected to predict that Spacek and Campoli would go down with injury. I guess they could have kept Hamrlik for a few million more than Campoli makes, but then he’d be shorter on cap space for 2 years.

    All I want for Christmas is a healthy (and winning) Habs team…

    • JayBee says:

      Are you serious? Spacek is not good and is often injured. Why is he still on this team? Yemelin was brought in to replace Hamrlik (those are tough shoes to fill). Yemelin looks like he’ll be alright but he’s lost out there and will take time to adjust. Why is Markov getting 3 years at almost 6M? Look at what Buffalo did. instead of plugging average to big question marks, they went out and got 2 SOLID d-men.

      The Campoli signing shows that Gauthier misjudged the D thsi year.

      There were too many question marks going into this season for a “contender”….just like last year.

      A lot of us cringed at the lack of toughness on the 4th line and the weak D. The D was good last year but needed to be improved upon. We went backwards.

  21. JayBee says:

    Mike Babcock: I’m interested in the vacant coaching position
    Ken Holland: I’m interested in the vacant GM position
    Habs brass: *click*

    • Bill J says:

      Only because the Habs brass would think they where being punked!


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    • Xsteve50 says:

      I have never been a huge fan of JM, but did respect his experience. Unfortunately, time is running out on his system. It might work, but no longer with THIS team. We cannot make a wholesale change with players so find a new system, therefore a new coach. Our best 2 coaches are either in Florida or the AHL, neither would be ready, as in KM or willing as in the other. So While Kurk learns the ropes, why not give Pierre Mcguire a shot. He has NHL experience, is a local boy, speaks french, and has a direct line to perhaps the best coach ever in Scotty Bowman. I am sure we can match what ever NBC is offering, and if nothing else….a change is as good as a rest….
      just thinking outloud…

      • Bill J says:

        You think Scotty Bowman will coach under McGuire ?

        The same Scotty Bowman that left the Habs when they wouldn’t give him the GM job ?

        More likely Molson convinces Bowman to GM the Habs…. And McGuire is hired as water boy. (see: unlikely)


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        • Xsteve50 says:

          I think SB would act as an advisor…and McGuire would make a good transition coach…2 maybe 3 yrs max…

          • Bill J says:

            Oh I thought you meant McGuire as the GM (since that’s the job he’s wanted in Montreal for years now)


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          • moosenl says:

            Wouldnt hire that idiot to organize a four year olds birthday party!! Xsteve50…..are you really Pierre McGruber?

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  22. habs001 says:

    While it is still early this team has many problems and an inspired win over the flyers or the bruins this week should not make people think things are fine.
    Price has not played to the level that a top 5 goalie should… right now we only have one centre(plecks) that has shown they can score goals in the nhl and right now he is not scoring..the odds are that if we are in a tight games our d will give up the big goal before the oppositions d will…pk has been below average…our pp will score a few goals but with the roster we have today it will struggle all year…our 4th liners would not make most teams in the nhl…scoring is still a major issue for this team..even yesterday 3 out of the 4 goals would probably been stopped by a top goalie

  23. Bill J says:

    I think JM dismissing that TSN 990 reporter last night may very well be the icing on the “you’re fired” cake that will be presented to JM soon.

    Cole may have had one bad PP year last year, but overall ? Yeah… Not even close.

    The fact that JM bases his faith in last years stats like this concerns me to no end. Hopefully it does for Molson too.


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  24. bajd says:

    I’m shocked they played Eller at center. He’s too big to be a center. He should have been playing the wing on the 4th line. The players seem restless and distracted or pissed off. This smallish team can score pretty good 5 on 5 this season but are horrific on the PP. The supposedly defence first Martin system is actually one of the worst in the league??

  25. Kooch7800 says:

    we are currently in 28th place in the entire league and we are a cap team. Say what you want but our problem is defense. we have no experience on our d which our d was our saving grace the last couple years.

    we had the d to cover when markov was not around the last two years but don’t this year. the crazy part is diaz wasn’t even in our system until this summer when he was recruited out of the eu leagues.

    PG has messed that up. they need to make a trade on defense immediately or we will be too far out of the running quickly and this season will be over.

    • JayBee says:

      “we have no experience on our d which our d was our saving grace the last couple years.”

      Precisely why Gauthier should be canned too.

      • TommyB says:

        Just to set the record straight, not to defend PG, our experienced D are on the injured list (Markov, Spacek, Campoli). Now, I’m not saying they are the answer, but that is the reason for all the inexperience on our blue line.

        • Caballero says:

          Perhaps but dude you don’t get rid of Hamrlik if there is any doubt about Markov returning. PG took a big risk and now we see the result. No Wiz and Hamrlik and no Markov= this bad situation.

          • JayBee says:

            Caballero…precisely!

            Imagine what the D would have looked like last year without Wiz and Hamr. Wasn’t that our 1A/B pairing last year? They got replaced with Diaz and Emelin…and people wonder why Price has the numbers he does.

  26. novahab says:

    It time for JM to go for a couple of reasons. First the refs have no respect for him and this team gets killed with pentlies because of it.The biggest reason is this team still can not pass the puck. GD how can you have a a team supposely with skilled fast skaters that can’t pass. Is is a simple skill to work on but it get worst and worst ever year. This teams needs a 911 call to Lemaire and beg him to come which I doubt he will. The two others would be Robinson and Roy. Problem with Roy is he would be a rookie coach and right now thats not what this teams needs. They need a coach with exprience and Lemaire or Robinson would fit the bill especially Lemaire.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I cannot understand how Larry Robinson is NOT behind the HABS bench helping in some manner. From all indications he is willing to and would not even need the ‘head coaching’ status. And he speaks French. And he knows defense. And he is one of the most experienced and successful ex-habs coaches out there. How?

      Only explanation. The people now at the helm are INSECURE!.

  27. andykirstein says:

    Everybody is saying the same thing, no use repeating it again.
    JM and PG have to go. If Molson wants a French speaking coach, then get Roy in here fast to play GM and Coach before Quebecs new NHL team does!
    The players must be scratching there head in the room and when that happens its time to make moves.

  28. RGM says:

    There was a comment made earlier in this thread stating that Gauthier should also be axed because he has done a terrible job building this team. On that account, I disagree. The pieces are in place for this team to be competitive on a nightly basis and to–IMO–compete for the Stanley Cup. We have an elite-level goalie, an upper-tier defence (that will hopefully be led by a fully healthy Markov soon) that also features a great shutdown tandem in Gorges-Gill and a future superstar in Subban, and a number of forwards that are all capable of potting 25-30 goals each and in the case of one (Cammalleri) can push for 40.
    The tools are there, it is the coach’s responsibility to put together a lineup on a nightly basis that utilizes those tools to their maximum potential. That is not happening right now. You have a guy with 3 career PPG out on the power play while a larger net presence with better hands that averages 20+ goals a season rides the pine. The lines are juggled so frequently that guys can’t remember who their linemates are, and thus take momentum-killing too many men on the ice penalties. Instead of putting the young D-men Diaz and Emelin into situations where they can succeed and grow, they are being limited and not used effectively. The list goes on.

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    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

    • i’m with you on that one. IMO, PG did an alright job putting a decent team together. but, he is failing by letting JM play his ego. sack him. if i were PG, i wouldn’t be too happy to see my biggest signing of the summer only be a pawn for JM’s ego. i don’t see any other reason for his behavior. also, why isn’t eller centering a PP line already?

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      hip-check!

      • RGM says:

        I think that he’s been willing to allow these new chemistry experiments bubble and percolate for a few early-season games. If changes aren’t forthcoming (as they’re clearly not producing desired results) I hope that will take appropriate corrective action sooner rather than later.

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        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

    • JayBee says:

      Upper tier defense? Right now….we have one 1st pairing d man (Subban), 1 2nd pairing d man and the rest are bottom pairing dmen and you say the defense is upper tier? Not…even….close.

      Your boy PG and Martin should share the blame equally.

      • RGM says:

        A healthy Habs roster goes like this: Markov – Subban – Spacek – Gill – Gorges – Emelin/Diaz
        I would put that crew in the top 10 in the NHL. Unless Hamrlik was much more integral than he was often maligned last year, that squad is eminently capable of ensuring that the Canadiens’ defensive numbers are better than at least 20 other teams.

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        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

        • JayBee says:

          LMAO.

          That D is soft as hell. You think teams are afraid of any of these guys?

          We don’t have a single dman that can create havoc in front of the net. Hamr was the closest as he played with a mean streak, but I could just hang out all day in front of Carey and not have a single worry.

          • RGM says:

            It doesn’t matter how “hard” or “soft” or what type of fear these guys may or may not inspire. I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about their efforts (combined with that of the elite goaltender we have) resulting in the Canadiens being in the top 10 in the stats pack. Last year the Canadiens were ranked 8th in the NHL in goals against. That is upper tier, top 10 in the NHL.

            If you want to talk about NAG, gooning it up, or other intangible things, there is certainly room to discuss that. But that’s not the discussion I’m having here. I’m talking about the Canadiens D corps being sufficiently good to ensure that they’re a top ten defensive team in the National Hockey League.

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            GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      upper tier defense? we have the worst d in the entire league currently. Subban is our 3rd most experience d man in his second year.

  29. 24 Cups says:

    It appears that JT was right. The Montreal Canadiens are this year’s version of last year’s New Jersey Devils. The team isn’t as bad as it looks but right now that doesn’t really matter.

    Lots of posters are calling for Martin to be fired but for the life of me I can’t think of one decent candidate that could replace him right now. And like it or not, that candidate has to speak French. Geoff Molson has already made that quite clear.

    The Habs will just have to do what other slumping teams have done in the past – play their way out of it.

  30. TheAmerican says:

    Gomez and Markov use up twenty percent — $13.1 million — of the Hab’s cap space. Although for completely different reasons, these men contribute nothing to help the team succeed. This was foreseeable. Yet there seem to be absolutely no contingency plans. Here are mine — (1) send Gomez to Hamilton and sit Markov for the year and get $13 million to spend on players that can contribute, or (2) go for a lottery pick.

    • RGM says:

      As much as I love the idea of option (1) how do you propose that the Habs go out and get that $7M player to replace Gomez? Though trades do happen, to get something you have to give something and there’s not going to be many teams out there that look to part with a $7M 1st line centre unless he’s not producing up to snuff. You take a look at the top-earning forwards around the League (http://capgeek.com/leaders.php?type=CAP_HIT) and how many of those guys would be considered easily available?

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      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

      • TheAmerican says:

        Probably zero. We might be forced to accept option two.

      • JayBee says:

        This is what I’m saying. OK, so Gomez is in Hamilton. You have $7M to play with. Do you really trust Gauthier going after the right playerss? I know I don’t. We’ll get just another albatross contract.

        • RGM says:

          It depends on how we (and since he’s the one that really matters in this context, Gauthier) assess what is the right player for the Canadiens to fulfill a roster need. When Latendresse was shipped out of town for Pouliot, it was hoped that the change of scenery would spur him and we would have a significant reclamation project go successfully. The early results showed great promise, as Benny notched 15 goals in his first half-season in Montreal. It looked like a great win-win trade for both sides, as it appeared that the 2005 #4 pick would finally produce what was expected of him. Well, we know how that story turned out. Some guys can adapt really well to a new environment and it looks like the organization made the right move, but then things can go awry and maybe it wasn’t the best change after all.

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          GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

  31. BJ says:

    You want a GM and coaching change. Very simple. You need 21,273 fans yelling LABATT!

  32. nbsjfan says:

    Its time for the press, who’ve been suspiciously absent from any critique of Pierre Gautier and Jacques Martin, to start asking some serious questions.

    Pierre Gautier has to take the first blame for what is turning into a bloody disaster yet there was nobody on the press asking what was going on in the summer. Many fans were rightly concerned with the defence; it was so obviously bad. Yet nobody in the press was the least bit concerned. Recent articles in the Gazette have been down right insulting to the fans who are concerned. Are there nutjobs? Yes, but it doesn’t hide the fact that many have been right and the press has been absent form any concern. It reminds me of the press post 911. Don’t ask questions, its not the right thing to do.

    This team is surely on the road to a very bad season. Anyone who watched them play in their own end last night and thinks that the current lineup is capable of anything other than about a 12th place finish is leaving in a dream. There are however, no easy answers. We cannot afford to part with young players to try and squeeze into 8th place. We must instead insist that the GM go along with his unyielding bench boss. Rebuild this team around Price and Subban. If it takes a last place finish, then so be it.

  33. Curtis O Habs says:

    Carbo could coach this Kovalevless roster. Are his ties with the organization damaged?

  34. Habs_4_ever says:

    I would rather tank and get a chance at a first choice over all than to try and band-aid the problem and wind up with a mediocre team. That being said, I agree that PG and JM should go.

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    “That’s the save of the year and it’s not even the year yet!”

  35. The Cat says:

    JM will go to the grave with Darche, just like he did with Andreas Dackell in Ottawa. This is his ideal prototype -hardworking, disciplined, low risk-taking and just generally nondescript.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  36. smiler2729 says:

    Now if I were Geoff Molson I would can The Goat Man and The Count ASAP and beg Bob Gainey and Jacques Lemaire to finish out this season and give us some respectability.

    Otherwise I don’t see this team going on any winning streaks of any kind and that’s all she wrote folks, no playoffs and no fun.
    _________________________________________________
    “If the Bruins played the Taliban, I’d root for the Taliban”

    • zak says:

      Get rid of BG too.

    • 24 Cups says:

      If we’re pointing fingers, I think the first in line would be Bob Gainey. This is his team that he built around his 2nd revamped five year plan. All of the players (with the exception of Cole) are his. He also chose Martin to be the coach.

      Everyone was happy with Gauthier up until the beginning of the month. Now everybody wants him to walk the plank.

      • JayBee says:

        yep…and PG is an extension of Gainey. I was disgusted when they went and gave PG the gig with a longterm contract.

        And some of us ( a small minority of objective people) were not happy with Gauthier. Why in the hell are we getting ex Senators staff to run this team?

        Would the Yankees bring in the Pittsburgh Pirates staff to run their team? Would the Steelers bring in the Lions staff to run their team?

        FAIL FAIL FAIL EVERYWHERE

        • 24 Cups says:

          Almost everyone was happy……

          I just find it so strange that the hope and promise of late September has vanished so quickly.

          In fairness to Gauthier, he did bring in Cole and Yemelin to beef up the team. Most people were pretty keen on those moves during the summer.

          Regardless, I just can’t see many alternatives right now. I think we have to sit tight and play through it. I know that puts me in the minority on HI/O.

          • JayBee says:

            You’re right. A lot of people were happy. Not me though. Look at my posts, I’ve always crapped on PG and to a lesser extent Martin. People are pissed cuz they took their rose colored glasses off and are living in reality.

  37. rogieshan says:

    Martin’s use of Darche last night on the PP last night and his subsequent petulant response to the poor reporter shows a man who remains defiant and is now grasping at straws. I have lost a lot of respect for him and, therefore, will join the rest of the chorus in calling for his firing.

    I too thought Pacioretty looked out of sorts last night, somewhat disengaged. I wonder if he’s not playing through a minor, nagging injury.

    With apologies to Peter Budaj, but Price’s early struggles have me thinking whether Gauthier had erred in not spending a few extra dollars for a more proven, veteran backup, like Giguere or Garon, to serve as a calming influence. To make matters worse, Budaj is almost certain to be the last goalie on the current NHL roster to see action this year.

    • smiler2729 says:

      I think Price needs a veteran backup too – Giguere would have been too perfect but Marty Turco’s still out there. A real GM would’ve seen that.

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  38. Captain aHab says:

    After his flippant answer to last night’s questions, I think we need to make a list for reporters of questions from fans:

    How many PP goals does Darche have this year? In his career?

    Why does Eller, your best player last night by FAR, barely get a sniff of PP play?

    Why do you keep breaking up lines that work?

    What has Cole done to you to deserve this?

    You can add your own.

    And when he gets shiotcanned, I want him, and his “try not to lose” mentality, out of this organization. Don’t keep him as a friggin assistant….just put him out to pasture.

    Then hire the best coach you can get and if that coach is unilingual English, then hire the best on-the-fly translator for media scrums and give French media little earbuds so they can hear what he says. Count me in the Ted Nolan camp. I think he would be great.

  39. Captain aHab says:

    A couple of days ago I said Martin would only get fired after the Bruins B2B games because the schedule gets a little easier after that and as GM, you want the guy you pick to replace the lameass coach to have early success. The Bawston games will be interesting but I think the Bruins will try to nail JM’s coffin shut. Fully expecting a couple of Habs to come out of those 2 games injured.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Beleive me there are no easy games for the Habs this year. They have a problem on their hands and whether it’s bored/depressed with the coach’s vision we probably won’t know for sure but this team is in trouble. We are 29th in a 30 team league and many of the teams in our division have improved some at least. Florida is next and I can tell you they are a better team than last year by a long shot…so then it is Boston and Philly the next three. The Habs will see it tough this year and so will we. But I hope I am wrong and they turn it around. I watched the game last night and if the TO goaltender had stayed in we wouldn’t have likely scored two of the 4 goals. Winnipeg was not an impressive win either…keep in mind it was a 2-1 game in the 3rd period. Our team could easily be 0-7. Look there is no fight in them. Yes they skate and shoot but tenacity in the attack. There is no sparkplug player on this team. I was hoping for a really good team this year as were many of the posters.

  40. HabsFanMTL says:

    how ironic that Bob Gainey would go out and get players based on if they’ve won a stanley cup in thier career. Its too bad he didn’t hire a coach with that same mentality, a coach who has won a stanley cup and a GM who has won a stanley cup!…….UNLIKE PG and JM. I’d get patrick Roy up here as Coach and as for GM no comment for the moment

  41. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    My experience watching this team is so negative right now…no one seems to know what they are doing. Time for me to take a little break…

  42. Bob_Sacamano says:

    @Boone: You also forgot to mention that the puck was out of play before the tying goal. It´s amazing how reluctant you are to write something about the (once again) bad reffing.

    The biggest joke of the night was still Jacques Martin though. 12 seconds of PP time for Eller and Cole combined, 3:12 for Darche??? Especially with the 5-3 it felt unreal. You don´t need to screen a goalie with a two man advantage. You need good passers, good shooters and quick hands. I like Darche as a fourth liner but he has none of that.

    Watching Grabovsky score against us also feels like a joke. I am not saying we should have kept him but I said it back then and I repeat it now: WHY TRADE A TALENTED PLAYER TO THE LEAFS? I would never ever trade a talented player to Toronto or Boston. If you really want/or need to get rid of someone with talent, then send him to the Western Conference even if you get a worse draft pick.

    A lot of other things which I agree with have been mentioned by others (Serious Fan09 for example). 4 games left for Jacques Martin.

    • The Cat says:

      Grabovski’s a sparkplug, you dont trade or giveaway sparkplugs.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Reffing evens out over a season. And to be honest, I missed the puck off the screen. Nobody talked about it afterwards, although they may have on TV.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Okay, well, I thought it was very obvious. This team might have worse problems than reffing at the moment but I have always to laugh about this “reffing evens out over a season” bs. There is absolutely no proof for that, people just assume that´s the case. I really doubt it.

        Yesterday´s mistake might have cost this team a point, the same can be said about the Colorado game and even against Calgary the momentum completely shifted to the Flames after the ridiculous call against Darche. Instead of a 20 second 5-3 PP and a good chance to get a two goal lead, Calgary gets the PP and ties the game…

  43. The Cat says:

    If there was a player that should be almost dominant in a game like last night, its Pacioretty. And the only time I noticed him was when he got hit by a hip check in the 2nd. Camalleri played well though.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    Also, Danny Kristo is crafting an excellent bounce back season. 4G, 7A in a 6-game points streak since the season started, he is 5th overall in the entire NCAA in points. Leads his team as well pretty obviously.

  45. SeriousFan09 says:

    No point in defending JM. Really, I have tried, in a city that is too often impatient with their coaches (15 in last 32 years) I have come down on their side more often than not because hey, it is not like they have the 70s, or even 80s Canadiens to draw on. But this has gone too far, the flippant answer to a reporter about Cole’s PP time to giving too small, too weak, too slow DD ice time over the much more dominant Eller to his roulette wheel of line combinations against Pittsburgh to his inability to strategize on the shootout for 3 years. To top it off, he seems to be losing his veterans, and the guys who are working hard go unrewarded. He had good moments behind the bench here, but it is kind of like a player’s season when he has hung in to the NHL too long, he is too stubborn about doing it his way even when his way does not work anymore. Clock is ticking on the season Pierre, either JM gets the door soon, or you both will. And on that I will say I am still behind PG as GM, he made the drafting and adjustments so this team could be better moving forward, but JM refuses to use what he gives him. The farm is about to have a hell of a shot in the arm for under-23 talent next season as well, plus what PG has already set up there.

  46. Marc10 says:

    I’m watching the All Blacks against the French right now. Every mofo on the pitch is a badass… by definition they have to be of course… but they don’t allow softies to put on the uniform.

    If we’re going to suck and let Grabovsh*ts act like a ballerina in the crease I would hope that someone would break the little F in half. Is that asking too much?

    Apparently so…

  47. chilli says:

    I live in LA. I watch every Habs and every Kings game. Was at the Kings game tonight vs. Dallas. Dallas has 2 offensive threats – Ribiero and Ryder. Yet, they have a great coach, all on the same page, have a great record and took a very strong LA team playing at home right to the wire.
    The Habs have a much better lineup than Dallas – yet watching Dallas play, they would destroy the Habs.
    I have to think it is coaching.
    Makes no sense what I’ve seen from the Habs this season. No sense.

    Tre

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      But don’t you remember? Ribs and Ryder are straight garbage, not worthy of taking up a roster spot on this deep juggernaut of a team we cheer for……………..

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    • Malreg says:

      Ryder and Ribeiro are their only offensive threats? Have you ever heard of Jamie Benn or Loui Eriksson?

      Dallas also has a better record than LA, Chicago, Vancouver, San Jose, Philly, and Boston, to name a few. I guess all those teams should fire their coaches as well, since Dallas is ahead of them.

  48. PeterD says:

    I agree that J. Martin needs to go and very soon…the question is…Who do we immediately replace him with that will improve the player management and get better results right away in order to turn the season around.

    My feeling is that what this team needs is a more offensive minded coach that turns his player lose to press in the offensive zone and pressure the other teams defence. Don’t know who that is, but I suppose we will see over the next few days…if Molson and Guathier are on the same page as the fans or if they will stick with “loyalty” at the expense of a winning team.

    My hope is that the so called brain trust has seen enough ineptitude so far this season to make changes…clearly you cannot change all the player, nor should we be thinking about that. What you can do is make changes at the coaching level to change the way the current group of player responds.

  49. habsgod says:

    i wouldn’t burke is 1 of the most overrated g.m.s period! when burke wins as many cups as sather we’ll talk! burke is a loud mouth blowhard and sather is a smarter g.m. than burke will ever be!

  50. PrimeTime says:

    As a lifelong Hab including watching the great teams of the 70’s I am just plain embarassed. Had the jersey on for the game and when I took it off I felt so sad. What has happened to this glorious franchise??? I get it the game and the league has changed considerably over the years but to see MTL at the bottom if the standings is just wrong. Tonights game was entertaining but this a sport, not a show! Sports is a winner or loser proposition…..this team has zero characteristics of the former. I get the D is light on experience and a poor D has a major affect to the overall team game but these are still pros supposably capable of playing the basics of defending their zone. The goalpost was our best D tonight and without it Habs lose by 4 in regulation. So many loyal fans and Habs alumni are ashamed of what has transpired thus far. It’s really hard to believe how tarnished the CH is right now. I don’t know how anyone can defend any aspect of this mess or not be embarassed. What happened to winning as the primary goal??? To much effort has been spent on the selling the CH brand and not enough to support what is stands for and what it really means to the fans. The past is history. Fans only care about the present and future. Otherwise we’re just getting old and telling stories of the glory years. Thanks but no thanks!

  51. Number31 says:

    The Oilers children have more of a clue of what to do on the ice than the Habs. How’s that for “inexperience”.

  52. durocher says:

    Much like Occupy Wall Street, the outrage over the Habs requires specifics on what actions should be taken. In that spirit, I suggest the following:
    – Fire PG, promote the Assistant GM Larry Carrière or even Trevor Timmons
    – Fire Martin, hire Larry Robinson
    – Waive Gomez, bury him in Hamilton
    – When Spacek is healthy enough to play (he’s skating), trade Weber, Engqvist, and a 4th round pick to Winnipeg for Chris Thorburn (who can hit, play the PK) and Patrice Cormier (who we can develop in Hamilton)
    – Use the following lines:

    Cammy-Pleks-Cole
    AK-Eller-Gio
    MaxPower-DD-Moen
    Darche-Thorburn-White/Palushaj

    Gorges-Gill
    Emelin-PK
    Spaceman-Diaz

    PP:
    Cammy-Pleks-Gio // PK-Spaceman
    MaxPower-DD-Cole // Gorges-Diaz

  53. Mr. Biter says:

    i am going out on a limb that if JM is not gone by Monday and we lose Monday night he will be gone Tuesday. PG who has made many bad decisions the last 2 years (he has had some successes also) may be soon behind him. I have not called for his firing before but the way the team was running around during the 1st period and the 2 two many men penalties it seems he has lost control of his team and the bench. Also to the Gomez haters we were so much better on the PP tonight without him were we not? At least he can carry the puck in. May not be able to score once he’s done that but that’s better than we did toinght.

    Mr. Biter

    • Matt. says:

      ya but someone got promoted tonight to the third line centre position and his name was Lars Eller, he was excellent .

      And no Eller did not play on the PP, Darche did

      • PureGuava says:

        Third line center? He was the top center on the ice last night my friend….by a mile.

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        – Robert Anton Wilson

  54. outsider89 says:

    Ok, Why must a new head coach speak french? This limits the search! Do we want to win, or do we want someone who can talk to the french press and give excuses? Hire the best man possible for both GM and coach! Its obvious the players responded to Muller better than JM. And why would we trade 1st and 2nd rnd picks for players we never had an intention of re-signing? (this includes Gainey) ?

  55. HabfaninCalifornia says:

    It’s official: we’re in a rebuilding year. Play the kids; bring up some Bulldogs; and lets plan for a playoff run in 3-4 years. A couple top 10 draft picks would really help. We need some elite talent.

    • outsider89 says:

      They have been re-building since 96? When does it end? Timmins drafted great in Ottawa. but has been a flop here.

      • habsgod says:

        oh really! i think you had better take a look ! pk subban,max pacioretty,carey price,louis leblanc,nathan beaulieu,brendan gallagher! i guess are flops!

      • Habziefan09 says:

        May I suggest you visit a website called Hockeydb.com before you go on about how much of a flop Trevor Timmins is. You will find just how many great players he has drafted.

        Why are the players not playing well? They have lost the desire to buy in to the BS system of Martin. Especially AND specifically when he goes up to the podium, berates the media and lambastes Cole, a Stanley Cup winning power forward.

        The whiny bitch that he is.. Yes He is one.. is tired of answering that question.. well dammit, we are tired of Martin playing yahtzee with his lines… That is why Cole may have caused the too many men penalty…… if you change the lines 20 times in the same damn game, you should expect some confusion.. To blame a player for too many men is like pulling the trigger, saying you didn’t do it, with the gun in your hand.

        I sure hope Martin is fired by tomorrow morning!

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  56. durocher says:

    Any chance Larry Robinson would leave his assistant coach’s job in NJ to man the bench in Montreal?

    • habsgod says:

      yeah he would! but the habs would hve to call him first! the other day on tony marinaro’s show he a caller asked about robinson and he said he is and was willing to come to the habs but they never called,gainey called martin instead of larry! look at the job robinson is doing developing larsson in new jersey! imigine what he’d do with pk! memo to geoff molson fire gauthier and the big eared moron behind the bench and hire lamoriello and robinson!

      • Rainrocket16 says:

        Lamorello?? WTF are you smoking!! Robinson, IDK. It would be nice to see Larry Robinson here, but LL is a moron as well! We have enough morons in the Montreal scheme of things. PG, the vegan vampire is here for a while and not doing that bad a job. Martin, is probably the worst veteren coach out there and he does need to go. No way in hell would I be in favor of Lamorello!

        !

        • habsgod says:

          gauthier doing a good job! what are you smoking!! seriously! the man couldn’t hold a candle to lou lamoriello! he’s a winner more so than gauthier

  57. kungpowchicken says:

    Wow…tonight our team reminded me of the Kansas City Scouts or the Capitals from 1974…i can still recall beating the Caps back 10-0 as a kid and really enjoying it! I cannot believe we are last place in the East….wow…..NEVER thought this would happen to the Habs. Gotta change things NOW. Only sleeping pills and poutine with extra cheese and ice cold coke will help me now…..burp!!!

  58. NLhabsfan says:

    I don’t blame the coach but sometimes a change can start a spark.. Other than blow up the team what do you do?

  59. HardHabits says:

    I can’t wait for the first installment of About Last Night’s NHL Entry Draft

  60. The Dude says:

    In this case SH!T rolls uphill ….Gauthier you have -0- hockey sense,zilch,nada,zip,kaput, nay,nitynite,imbecile,tankaphone,marde,marmite,veganmisfit habskilling mofo…..give it up,YOU SUCK!

  61. habsfan0 says:

    Jacques Martin:30 years NHL experience:0 Stanley Cups.
    Pierre Gauthier:30 years NHL experience:0 Stanley Cups.

    “What’s Past is Prologue” William Shakespeare

    In sports,as in life,the cream ALWAYS rises to the top.

    Or,conversely,as we see in this case….

  62. HabinBurlington says:

    Well the sun shall rise tomorrow, all the best everyone, CHeers and good night.

  63. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ya-Ku-Pov!

    Ya-Ku-Pov!

    Ya-Ku-Pov!

  64. durocher says:

    Time for hard choices to be made, which include:

    Firing Martin, whose only show of emotion this season was an embarrassing, inaccurate, and condescending response to a reporter’s excellent question about using Darche on the PP instead of Cole, and who is ultimately responsible for the dismal start. The constant line-juggling, the misuse of players, the lack of communication, the bench penalties, etc., are all on him and all contribute to our poor start.

    Getting rid of Gomez. Yes, he did not play tonight. But he has not scored in 45 games and is not setting up other players to succeed. The problem with Gomez is not only his weak offensive play, but that he also is a big opportunity cost: his $7m+ salary could go to players who can genuinely help and whose careers may be on the rise. Eller is acquitting himself well as a top-6 center. DD is also capable of playing good minutes and he has been our best center so far.

    Having a legitimate fourth line: we don’t have players who can crash and bang on a regular basis, can hold the opposition accountable, or can change momentum when needed. This does not mean acquiring BGL, McGratton, etc. It means replacing guys like Begin, Kostopoulos, etc., who provide energy, toughness, respectability, and completeness to a team.

    As I noted the other day, I’d rather make these difficult decisions now, rather than pretend we’re competitive. Other teams continue to accumulate points while we stay with the status quo, which is not working. The points and stats speak for themselves.

    • ProHabs says:

      Strongly agree about the 4th line. The Habs have a team that when the building is quiet and the team is not doing anything, they can never create any energy at all. As the said on CBC tonight, their 4th line is just a time killer. Their job is to play a 45 second shift, not be scored on. But they provide no offence, no energy, no spark, nothing.

  65. davecessna says:

    It’s very easy, get Molson to sign a fat cheque to lure Muller back as head coach. The end.

    • showey47 says:

      I’m thinking if muller had any interest in martin’s job down the road,muller would have taken the head coaching job in hamilton. I won’t even bother about the language issue,which pisses me off to no end.

  66. habsfan0 says:

    I wonder if Roman Hammerlik’s 7-0 start with the Capitals has him feeling somewhat smug given the slow start the Habs have produced.

  67. Wops says:

    Which coach do you want to put? Honestly, with the D that we have… I prefer having Martin right now… even if im not a fan.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Ted Nolan

    • Edmaster says:

      I don’t believe the organization would bring in any coach or GM that can’t speak French. So Nolan is a no go. If we follow this belief, then I’d like to see Patrick Roy and Mark Crawford hired. Although Roy is a little hot headed, I think he may be able to work with our young guys and with the experience he’s been adding up, maybe also able to control himself with the vets. Crawford, in his own way, is similar to Roy in his desire to win, but can also be a little hot headed. I think he’s ready to general manage. Let’s make it happen.

      Expos, please come home.

      • habsfan0 says:

        A professional sports organization which hires its head coach & GM based on cultural background and language rather than pursuing the best talent available regardless of the former,is doomed to mediocrity at best,utter failure at worse. That,in a nutshell,is why this franchise has gone off the rails over the last 2 decades.

        • Edmaster says:

          I agree habsfan0, but what do we do, stop being a fan of our beloved Canadiens, or hope we get a great francophone coach and GM to bring home Lord Stanley? On another note, many Hab fans don’t realize that there are many many players in the league who simply refuse to play in Montreal due to the language barrier and it’s not necessarily always about themselves. If I was a pro player with a family, I would not want to take my kids out of their English school, leave their English friends and their entirely English world, to bring them to Montreal where they can’t even get English schooling, let alone immerse them in the French environment. That’s not a knock on the French people or their culture, it’s simply looking out for what I think would be right for my kids.

          Expos, please come home.

          • habsfan0 says:

            Not to mention Quebec’s taxes,which are the highest in North America;and crumbling infrastructure ..apparently some people have likened driving on Quebec’s potholed infested roads with driving on the surface of the moon. These,I would venture to guess,are not particularly good selling points when it comes to luring free agents to Montreal.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Edmaster, you’re misinformed. A player who comes to Montreal can put his kids in English or French school.

            Leave your political biases out of this discussion.

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            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • Edmaster says:

            Un Canadien errant, first of all my statement in English language schooling in no way indicated a political bias, however, I do have a bias toward people who assume biases. Although I should maybe have clarified my schooling statement, I’m afraid that you are the one who is misinformed. Due to Bill 104, not all new immigrants to Quebec have the right to register their children into English language schools and although the Supreme Court of Canada ruled, in 2010, that Bill 104 is unconstitutional, nothing has yet been resolved on the issue, so people are still being denied the right.

            Expos, please come home.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          So you think the Habs haven’t won because of the French coaches?

          Two of ‘em were in the Stanley Cup finals last year.

          • habsfan0 says:

            But at the time,neither was coaching the Habs.

            I never said French coaches/GMs shouldn’t be hired. What I said was, hiring a person based on his abilities should be paramount;language spoken is secondary.

          • Edmaster says:

            HabFanRookie, where exactly did you read anywhere in our posts that we think the Habs haven’t won because of the French coaches?? The two main ideas mentioned were that, one, I didn’t believe the organization is willing to hire someone who doesn’t speak French and habsfan0 stated that any pro sports organization who hires based on cultural background and language rather than pursuing the best talent available is simply not doing themselves any favours. That’s not to say that a French Speaking coach or GM isn’t the best talent and it’s not even saying that he’s an Anglophone or Franchphone, simply that he or possibly even she can speak both languages.

            Expos, please come home.

          • CowtownCanadien says:

            Here’s a little food for thought. What do those coaches have in common? They were both run out of MTL because of a crappy GM or a GM who wanted his friend to coach the team.

          • VancouverHab says:

            Excellent answer.

  68. durocher says:

    Here’s some good news: the Sporting News is reporting that, according to two sources, JM may get the ax:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2011-10-22/jacques-martin-might-pay-for-habs-sorry-start?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • habsfan0 says:

      So,if Martin does get the ax,what francophone will replace him?

      Does Mario Tremblay deserve a second chance? How about Patrick Roy as his assistant?

      That should be entertaining.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I’m no fan of the Count but the Goat is more responsible for this mess.

      Both need to go.

      • JayBee says:

        They go hand in hand. Gauthier has been pathetic at building this team. And Martin has forced him to ship off GOOD FRIGGING PLAYERS that could help us.

        SergieK
        Latendresse (Where’s Pouillot? So essentially we gave up Latendresse for NOTHING)
        Lapierre
        Obyrne
        Dagostini

        The list goes on…

    • Edmaster says:

      I’m not usually one to blame the coach but in this case I think it would be a good move. Something is not right with the team and I have to believe it’s how the team is being coached. Also, living here in Ottawa, I witnessed for too long how JM couldn’t get it done with a fantastic team for several seasons. My only hope is that, if they fire JM, that they also get rid of PG. Have any of you ever checked out his record as GM. Utterly pathetic. He and JM are buddies so they both have to go. Lastly, and I know it won’t go over well with some of you, is to clean house and quietly ask BG to retire as well. It’s not looking good right now but I always give the team 20 games before I admit to where we’re headed.

      Expos, please come home.

  69. ProHabs says:

    It is not even November yet and we have a very small chance statistically of making the playoffs. What a letdown after looking forward to this year. It is going to be a long season.

  70. HabFanSince72 says:

    Tankapalooza baby.

  71. habs001 says:

    again if you are considered the number one goalie in the nhl or at least top 5 you cannot have the type of stats price has based on the number and quality of shots he has faced…

  72. habsfan0 says:

    Counting the pre season, Habs are now 3-12.

    But as Carey Price once said: “Chill out.”

  73. Wops says:

    PP and PK struggle is easy:

    We have a shitty defense =
    tough to set up the PP
    The box isnt tight as it use to be on the PK

    Its too easy to blame Martin with the shitty team gauthier gave him. Diaz, weber, emelin, subban, gill, gorges… seriously?

  74. habsolutely says:

    Leaf fans call it a torment. Hockey fans call it a fact. Leafs have a putrid franchise, they will have to do much more than have a good start to this season to clear their franchises ineptitude from the books.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Hate to burst your bubble but the leafs are playing as a team with actual goal scorers, the habs can’t even make a crisp pass. So we don’t get to taunt ANY team until this one gets it’s act together.

      As of right now this is not a squad that will make the playoffs

      • habsolutely says:

        hate to burst your bubble, but the Leafs haven’t made the playoffs in 6 seasons…. they haven’t won a championship since 1967!!!!! All of a sudden they win a few games less than 10 games into the season and you want me to bow down to their greatness? whatever

        • avatar_58 says:

          The habs suck donkey balls right now – that is a fact. Doesn’t matter how one feels about rivals.

        • JayBee says:

          And they have just as many Cups in that span as we do. Burke is a good GM….Gauthier is not. The Leafs looked like complete junk not too long ago…yet Burke was able to move out HUGE albatross contracts for assets. I don’t like the Kessel trade but it took balls to make that trade. They needed a pure goal scorer and that’s what it takes to find one of Kessel’s talent. Burke also has no issue with fixing his misakes….quickly. Gomez is still here. Spacek is still here. WTF???

          • habsgod says:

            burke is a good g.m. not a great g.m. however,and leafs fans will try and make you believe he is! he’s not in the same league as a ken holland,glen sather,lou lamoriello etc…! he can trade o.k. but can’t draft worth a lick! burke moved a few of those bad contracts because he prayed on weak g.m.’s like d.sutter and bob murray ,and david poile! he wouldn’t and couldn’t do that to any of the 3 men i mentioned! thus he doesn’t make trades with those 3 g.m.’s either because they’d all fleece burke in a heartbeat!don’t believe me look at the trades those g.m’s make and then you’ll see why burke avoids them! especially sather he’s fleeced more g.m.’s in the league than anyone has and he does it quite regualrly! however if 1 of those guys came available i’d snap them up in a heart beat! especially lamoriello ! he patterned the devils after the habs teams and he was a habs fan growing up! he doesn’t speak french but who cares the guy wins! sam pollack didn’t speak french to the best of my knowledge and he’s the winningest and best g.m. in the history of the league!

          • JayBee says:

            Sather? LOL

            I’d take Burke over Sather any day of the week. Most overrated GM in all of sports.

  75. Caballero says:

    I somewhat agree. The problem is the philosophy/identity of this team. That comes from the top.

  76. RGM says:

    How quickly we forget what that shutdown pairing did to Ovechkin and Crosby in 2010, eh?

    Let’s look at our “best players” and see what they contributed last night, shall we?
    Montréal › Pos G A P +/- PIM S
    M. Cammalleri L 1 0 1 -1 0 3
    T. Plekanec C 0 1 1 0 0 4
    B. Gionta R 0 0 0 -2 2 4
    M. Pacioretty L 0 0 0 0 0 4
    E. Cole L 0 0 0 -1 0 1
    P. Subban D 0 1 1 0 0 4

    If you’re telling me that the best our best players can do is produce 1G and 2A combined, I think that you think very little of our team. Do you think it is good for Plekanec & Cammalleri to have over 20% of their ice time on the PK? Do you think it is good to have Cole playing 11 minutes a night? Do you see any value in dressing Palushaj & Engqvist–indeed, even having them in Montreal and not Hamilton–if they play 3:38 and 5:18, respectively? Do you think that Darche being out on a 5-on-3 power play is better than having Cole out for that same situation? Do you think that mustering 18 shots in 2 periods against a goalie that is clearly having trouble stopping ANYTHING is getting enough out of your squad?
    These are decisions that lead to sub-optimal results. You can question whether the players themselves are having problems with execution, and that’s totally acceptable because seriously, you can’t coach Tomas Plekanec to throw the puck in the corner on a 3-on-1. But guys are being worn down because they’re not being used in the right situations. Mike Cammalleri is not a natural penalty killer, he’s a guy with a nose for the net. Darche, who would be better served in that role, is instead now a power play specialist. I’m not a coach, I just play one on the Internet, but it seems to me that there’s something out of place in their roles and the way they’re being utilized.

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    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

  77. TheAmerican says:

    If you take Pleks out of the bunch you’ll get 41% of the Habs payroll. They average .14 goals per game.

  78. RGM says:

    You can only have so many guys listed as your best players. Kostitsyn played well last night, absolutely, but the five forwards I already listed are all expected to be guys that produce much more than him and are not. The coach hates him anyways, so it’s not like he’s doing it for Martin, he’s doing it in spite of him. Eller has a ways to go yet.

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    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!


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