About last night …

For 58 minutes, the Canadiens had the makings of a goaltending controversy.

If Carey Price had shut out the Sabres in Buffalo, who’d get the start against Florida at the Bell Centre on Thursday night?

Well, we’ve been spared that mystery, eh?

Jaro Halak will be in goal as your Montreal Canadiens attempt to bounce back from what might have been the most disappointing loss of a season that has not lacked for heartbreak.

For almost 57 minutes, your Montreal Canadiens played a near-flawless road game.

As Kirk Muller told Renaud Lavoie on RDS after the second period, the Canadiens were executing their game plan: stressing simplicity, getting the puck behind the Buffalo D and forechecking effectively to slow the Sabres down.

As bad as the team had been against Ottawa on Monday night, they were superb against Buffalo: skating, puck support, short crisp passes, aggressive team defence that prevented the Sabres – no slouhes in the skating department themselves – from moving through the neutral zone with any speed or spark.

Then Ryan O’Byrne took the fourth of four consecutive penalty calls against the Canadiens.

And with 3:33 left in the game, Lindy Ruff pulled Ryan Miller to give the Sabres a 6-on-4 power play.

And the roof caved in, a collapse that continued through the Overtime and into a woefully one-sided Shootout.

Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

What a bummer.

And 24 hours later, we’ll find out whether Jacques Martin is capable of rallying his shell-shocked troops.

There are positives to build on:

• The return of Mike Cammalleri was the spark that Tomas Plekanec’s line needed, as evidenced by the first goals Andrei Kostitsyn has scored in almost three months.

• Marc-André Bergeron played a solid game on the fourth line and gave the power play a point presence that the Sabres were obliged to cover, opening up the ice for the forwards.

• Until the debacle of the final two minutes, the penalty-killers played an outstanding game.

• Brian Gionta was brilliant in every aspect of the game. If the Canadiens had 18 skaters who played with the energy and spirit of this guy … OK, maybe a few them a little taller … they’d go 82-0.

• Benoit Pouliot, MIA for a few games, complemented Gionta and Scott Gomez with his size and forechecking zeal.

• Carey Price, playing his first game in 17 days, was excellent. The kid just can’t buy a break this season. I wouldn’t stand anywhere near him in a thunderstorm.

The Canadiens were a transformed team from the disorganized, lifeless group that lost to Ottawa.

It’s a short plane ride home from Buffalo. I wouldn’t want to be flying back from Dallas and thinking about a loss like that.

The point pushed the Canadiens up into sixth place, past the freefalling Flyers.

But man, that was a tough L to take.

For 57 minutes, a shutout over the division leader and a nice springboard into the final games of the season.

Instead, a dagger into their hearts … and the task of regrouping very quickly, because a loss to Florida would plunge the city into full-on panic mode.

•  •  •

Remember that great scene in Good Will Hunting when the math prodigy, played by Matt Damon, breaks down as he talks to his therapist (Robin Williams) about trying to protect his siblings by taking beatings from a drunk, abusive father.

As the tears flow down Damon’s cheeks, Williams hugs him tightly and repeats: “It’s not your fault … it’s not your fault … it’s not your fault ..”

Know what?

Carey Price needs Robin Williams.

•  •  •

 

On a particularly hallucinogenic Antichambre, Michel Bergeron suggested MAB was a better Dman than Jaro Spacek and Norman Flynn second-guessed the decision not to dress Maxim Lapierre.

PJ Stock, of all people, was the lonely voice of reason.

I gotta find out who’s catering weed for that show.

 

206 Comments

  1. andrewberkshire says:

    It’s no secret that Bowman thinks a lot of Price. I’m really worried that Gauthier won’t heed this advice though.

  2. TitoS74 says:

    He’s absolutely right. This year has been touch on Price, but next season, assuming the new GM is smart enough to keep him, he will have even more confidence, because he would’ve already been through the worst yet.

    He will bloom and explode next season. These rough times are only fine-tuning his skills to turn him into a machine that can be better than Brodeur.

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    In print Just a short quote from Hickey’s Inside the Dressing Room feature.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  4. TitoS74 says:

    Very sound advice. Where did you pick up that quote?

  5. andrewberkshire says:

    Where’d you read that?

  6. andrewberkshire says:

    And let in more goals in each game than Price has in 3 games against them.

  7. SeriousFan09 says:

    Quote from Scotty Bowman who watched this game: “Don’t trade Carey Price”

    Sound advice.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  8. makka83 says:

    Halak won as many games against the Sabers this season as I did. :)

  9. makka83 says:

    check a while back when Halak lost 6-2 against Buffalo for his comments or the game before that he lost again the Sabers this year. ;)

  10. jew4jah says:

    what’s with price & his masks? 

    i propose a ban country music & religion from hockey.

    (exemptions are stompin tom, cuz he’s hockey eh, and johnny cash cuz he’ll kill you that’s why)

     

  11. habsfan321 says:

    Halak would never have a loss like that. He’s perfect. </sarcasm>

  12. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …on one hand Our Guys will retroflect on how well They played the majority of this game with the Division leading team, as They have played very competively with most of the elite teams this season

    …the final result also gives Them a very solid reason to be angry with Themselves and resolve it won’t happen again

    …We are in 6th place …not 8th

    …this could break Us …or make Us

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=423049

  13. andrewberkshire says:

    What’s your boy Halak’s record against the Sabres this season?

  14. jew4jah says:

    it was steve’s fault!

    he called SHUTOUT with six minutes to
    go.

  15. diehardhab says:

    Alright lets relax there boone. we’re all a bit uptight after that ending.

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  16. Da Hema says:

    If this team had just scored one more goal from the multitude of glorious chances it had and gone up 3-0, they would not have lost this game.

    This current Hab team can neither score enough goals to be more successful nor hold the leads it does get. Bad news either way.

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    –Hunter S. Thompson

  17. Mike Boone says:

    Please find the part of my story that blamed the loss on Price. Man, try to read more slowly, willya?

  18. diehardhab says:

    Your avatar really screams objectivity!

    If you want to find something wrong in price’s post game statements then go ahead but I have no problem with him showing some passion and some emotion!

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  19. Exit716 says:

    I think it’s weak to play up the goalie controversy Mr. Boone.

    I don’t think Price decided to put on two of the team’s weakest defensive players in the final minutes of a one-goal hockey game.

    Camalleri and Kostitsyn?

    Really?

    This loss is all on the bilingual experienced defensive tactitian with zero Stanley Cups and years of playoff failures.

    This game reeked like most of Robin Williams’s movies, but this time the star was the overwhelmed and underwhelming head coach, just hanging around long enough to serve up a first round playoff defeat.

    Take your backhanded swipes at Price all you want. This loss is entirely on Martin and his lack of coaching ability.

     

  20. t1tan5 says:

    I don’t why you are referencing a win when saying that he can’t win. There are better examples. And on top of that, you are talking about the Caps. The best team in the NHL by far. Who cares how we beat them.

  21. matraque says:

    I would like to know what Halak would have said after a loss like that.

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  22. diehardhab says:

    agreed. see my post below

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  23. diehardhab says:

    “I’m not happy whatsoever,” Price said. “Not one bit. We got to find a way to get that done. That’s a point we need, and we need to find a way to do it. We played hard for 55 minutes and after that we just sat on our a** and let them come to us.”

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  24. hab lifer says:

    for those remarks, you should be banned from this site.

    you’re pissing off alot of people.

  25. matraque says:

    Price will sit tomorrow.  He cannot win a game…

    Remember that game against the caps.  He had a ton of goals and we won in a shootout.  Barely won.

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  26. HUDSONHAB says:

    Ouch. Alot of guys had good games and no one (maybe Benny) had a bad game. Poor Price.

    Hab4life

  27. Born in a Bad Year says:

    Blame the coaching.  They had a chance of putting the right defensive paring on the ice and they blew it. We only have two defenders who clear the front of the net and those are Gill and O’Byrne.

    If either of those parings had been out there would not have been a Sabre standing in front of the net looking to score. The coaching tonight was Carbo-esque in its stupidity.

    Markov had been on the bench for a minute and a half and O’Byrne had just come out of the box.  Gill and Gorges had just been on for the previous goal. O’Byrne and  Markov would have cleared the crease and the zone.  Hammer and Spacek are fine for regular play but are not our best defenders when there is constant pressure that might go beyond the time of a normal shift. They just don’t have the legs for that kind of play.

  28. ProHabs says:

    What did little Carey have to say on CJAD in his post game reaction??

  29. Jordio-oh says:

    Someone was obviously taking the dog for a walk when Carey was making multiple key second and third chance saves to keep us in the game….

  30. elenar011 says:

    I’d like to see Price start. Played a hell of game, deserves the win, and the shutout. It’s a risky move putting him in, but he’ll play his heart out if he gets the chance. He’s pissed. Lol.

  31. SeriousFan09 says:

    Agree, he played well enough to get his shutout, he deserves another chance to get a win. I like your reasoning, we need to use him and see what he can give us, especially with the playoff dates approaching.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  32. wild flower says:

    I don’t really care one way or the other, but I see the logic and thought the same.  

  33. Number31 says:

    If Martin had any balls he would play the kid tomorrow. He can never get any momentum going. SAME thing happened in that Sharks game. I don’t know how a team can’t get themselves inspired enough to win the game when the guy in nets is making over 40 saves for you. He almost blanked the Buffalo Effing Sabres here. One of the LAST teams you want to go to a shootout with. This wasn’t the Oilers.

    And if he’s such a defensive coach, why in bloody hell did he put Cammy and AK46 out to protect a lead that late in the game?! Oh right, this is the guy that had MAB on the PK earlier in the season and wondered why the PK was so bad…

  34. diehardhab says:

    IMO we should start price tomorrow. I heard his post game reaction on CJAD and he was really pissed, and rightfully so! The team laid down after 50 minutes. I would start him for 2 reasons:

    1) It sends a message to the players that they can’t be blaming their goalies for losses. Thats 2 straight games that they have done this when they last left Halak on an island against the sens.

    2) Price is gonna be really pissed, and I would love to see him take his anger out on the panthers and get a win. Last thing I would want to see is for him to mellow out.

    All that being said I understand starting Halak tomorrow and just want a win. 

    The torch be yours to hold it high!

  35. wild flower says:

    After reflecting on the result, I’m not so sure it is accurate to say the Habs collapsed. They were penalized near the end of the game – finally the Sabres scored on one of their power plays after that a momentum shift led to the tying goal and then the overtime/shootout is a crap shoot that we lost. Big deal, happens all the time – we are sixth because crap happens to other team to.

    If Price was so great tonight, why is it an automatic that Halak starts agains Florida? Seems a bit like Price is getting the raw end of the stick again when it comes to the quality of oponents faced.

    What if Price had let in a crap goal like the one Hiller let in tonight? Anehiem should trade the bum – except they already traded the other bum to the leafs.

     

     

  36. RJ says:

    An answer and a question. Yes, I have played hockey most of my life. How can Price be “jinxed” as most are sayng on this board in a shootout where he let in 2 or 3 shots? The team sucks in front of both Halak and Price but for some reason Halak is faulted win or lose and Price is always the victim of something — poor defensive play, refs, sitting back, etc?

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  37. SeriousFan09 says:

    This is becoming unbearable, I can see the Playoffs going exactly like this if we get there, getting leads, throwing them away like they’re day-old donuts.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  38. TitoS74 says:

    BadBalance is absolutely right. Trading him just because he’s had a bad year is a terrible idea. It will show the lack of organization in the administration, and I will also lose respect over the team for that one move.

     

    If the habs know what’s good for them, they’d keep Price.

  39. TitoS74 says:

    Exactly. If Price goes to Chicago, I can guarantee he will win many cups before the Habs even get to see the playoffs final.

  40. G-Man says:

    Don’t be. If he’s traded, the Habs may get someone decent for him. Let Chicago give up Sharpe for him.

    Price bitches too much about the team in front of him. It’s a sure sign of his lack of maturity. He should have played 2 seasons in the AHL so he could grow up and stop blaming everyone else for team failures. I’ve noticed he whines like a little kid after a loss, and that is not being a “team” player.

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    Jane, you were not alone sleeping poorly after that one last night. But we are being out coached in games lately. Martin is old school and a great hockey man, but the game has changed a lot in the past few years and I believe he has been left behind.

  42. Price_31 says:

    The best position for us to finish is is 6th-I doubt we’ll catch up to the Sabres at this point.If we finish 6th we’ll be playing the 3rd place team which will be Sabres or Sens and Habs can definitely beat them both. Especially after this game vs Buff. The game against the Sens was horribly played(minus Jaro and Gio) but the team’s going to want to redeem themselves against both teams. If they do finish 6th, we will move on to the 2nd round. I 100% agree we can’t beat New Jersey and move on to the second round! It would be easiest to finish 6th IMO

  43. thebonscott says:

    i hope, your right, but still don’t want nj

  44. Top Corner says:

    They wont be swept brotha….no way this year , and if they-WE-  get BUF 1st round , i wouldnt be any happier , they owned them last night , it would be a fun series to watch….i want it bADDDDD.  As for NJ , i would rather not see that either….but it would not be a sweep…..4-3 HABS….

  45. badbalance says:

    We have too much heart to get swept this season. if we face NJ it will go to at least 6 games

  46. JF says:

    I haven’t felt so angry all season as I did at the end of that game.  It took me literally hours to calm down.  Couldn’t relax, couldn’t sleep, couldn’t think of anything but that…

    But we did the esact same thing to the Ducks a couple of weeks ago, so we just have to swallow it and move on.  I just hope the team is not so deflated they’ll suck tonight against the Panthers.  That’s one we really have to win.

    Lindy Ruff deserves a lot of credit for pulling Miller on that powerplay.  It’s something I’ve wished all season JM would do – pull the goaltender on a late-game powerplay when we need a goal.  Perhaps he’ll learn.

    Take the positives.  We’re in 6th place, and for 57 minutes we played an almost perfect game, looking a lot more like the team that won six in a row than the one that was disorganized against Toronto and had no energy against Ottawa.  We have to keep playing that way.

  47. fun police says:

    are you serious?  really?  have you ever played a single game of hockey in your life?  to blame goaltending for last nights lost is a terrible knee-jerk observation.  how about them sitting back for the last five minutes?  how about the constant parade to the penalty box after ruff berated the refs?  

  48. Chris says:

    Mike is simply pointing out that Halak has pretty much indisputably earned the #1 goalie title for the rest of the season.  As such, he will earn the bulk of the starts, unless Price does something heroic (like getting a shutout against the division leaders) that FORCES Jacques Martin to continue starting him.

    Price, through no fault of his own, did not get that shutout.  So he goes back to the bench in favour of Halak, just like every other backup goalie has done in the NHL, including Halak when he was the backup.  That’s life.

    Price will be back next season with another opportunity to seize the #1 title.  And he’s got all the tools to do it.  But the coach isn’t igniting that controversy with 8 games to go in tight playoff stretch drive unless he absolutely has to.

  49. Chris says:

    Jean-Sebastien Giguere played fantastic in his two Stanley Cup runs, but he is a hot-and-cold player who has lost his starting job twice now.

    Chris Osgood.

    Domink Hasek, a shell of the goalie he was in his prime during his Detroit tenure.

    Marc-Andre Fleury, who has been up and down…yes, he was good that year. But he hasn’t been nearly as strong other seasons.

    Cam Ward was a revelation when the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup. He then had a couple of decidedly average seasons, then had another great run last year that had everybody putting him in the mix for the Olympic team this season. Until he, and the Hurricanes, inexplicably imploded once again.

    I always find it funny how often Stanley Cup wins convert goaltenders into “stars”. There should be very few stars at any given position…when the label starts being thrown around liberally, then the meaning of the term gets diluted. “Okay” to me means average, and a lot of the above guys have been decidedly average: good years, bad years, in-between years. But none of them had been consistently at the top of their craft for a few years around their Stanley Cup victories.

  50. SlovakHab says:

    A couple of my observations:

     – Before we sign Plekanec for a 30-milion, 5-year contract, I’d like to see him raise his production. 2 points in the last 5 games, 4+2 in the last 13. A clutch player?

     – I really like Carey Price, but his 13-19-5 record is terrible. So much talent, but 10 less wins than JH with roughly equal number of games played and 8 penalty minutes? I just dunno about him anymore.. (Can’t blame him for the last night tho – he was excellent!).

     – 3 minutes before the end of the game, I thought AK, Moore and Price will be the 3 stars of the game. I think we got a flashback of how Anaheim must have felt a couple of weeks ago.

     – Buffalo had no business winning this one. O’Byrne really screwed up with that high stick.

     – If only Gomez could finish, he’d be almost worth what we pay him. 12 goals all season long? And how’bout that empty net – could’ve been a difference-maker.

     – I just HATE losing to the division rivals. Make that 3 in a row with L to Toronto, Ottawa and Buffalo. Totally sucks

     – You know who else sucks? Pierre MacGuire. Couldn’t stand listening to him. My online feed actually didn’t show the commercials during the breaks so I could hear them talk during the breaks. Interesting insight of what’s happening when we can’t hear them. Didn’t make him any less bearable tho.

     – Every time I’m up until 3-4am to watch the Habs play, they blow it. 

  51. thebonscott says:

    my only concern, is we make the playoffs, yay, and face new jersey in the first round, i don’t know if i can watch montreal lose 4 straight by scores of 3-1, and of course the whole time Mr. Brodeur is snappin pics of his son. i would rather not make it.  one request, please not new jersey, against anybody else we have a chance, but we can’t beat new jersey.

  52. RJ says:

    Boone, your defense of THE FRANCHISE has grown tired. He had no pressure until the end and he folded when it mattered. Bad rebound (as the you and the Halak bashers often say) on the tying goal and scorched in the shootout.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  53. tony d says:

    Only caught the 3rd period….thought it was in the bag. Man Carey seems to have a hex on him or something…that kid can’t catch a break. He needs to go into a sweat lodge and exhorcise some demons or something.

  54. Moey says:

    I’ll make this quick, I feel like a seal in shark infested waters. 

    “I wouldn’t stand anywhere near him in a thunderstorm” I just choked on my tea, well done Mike!

    http://moeymusings.blogspot.com/

  55. gatorg says:

    Going into Buffalo and getting a point is still a positive. Go from there. Cammi looked good, MAB makes the PP look legit. kill  the cats and get ready for the devils. take the positives.

  56. The Cat says:

    Why were they wrong on L’Antichambre for second-guessing the benching of Lapierre? Everytime they defend a french player its because of everything else except hockey. Might we consider that they maybe right? They were right about Lapierre how he is effective as a pest and shadow. But thats habs hockey: draft players and then have ‘em play another style.

  57. G-Man says:

    “I gotta find out who’s catering weed for that show.”

    More like acid, Boone.

    AC needs something to bitch about. If it’s not the effort, it’s the lack of Quebecois. Same old s**t, different day.

  58. The Cat says:

    Like they said on L’Attaque a cing, JM lost this game. SK, Cammaleri out there protecting a lead…Stupid.

  59. badbalance says:

    Giving up on him so early would be a huge mistake. A big enough one that I will lose my respect to the organization

  60. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Those were legit penalties.  Can’t really argue too much.  But you are right, 6 in a row is a bit much.

  61. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    Don’t go too hard on the Habs tonight.  They played an awesome game and deserved the win.  Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way its supposed to, and Buffalo got a chance to get back into the game.  Gotta put them away early I guess.  Can’t fault the boys thought, they put in a great effort.  If Miller wasn’t so solid tonight we would have been talking about this win for a while.  BTW, Price/Halak debate aside, Price is one unlucky guy.

  62. elenar011 says:

    Didn’t see that. Agree wholeheartedly.

  63. Chuck says:

    It’s not that you blamed him, Mike. But it comes across as though you feel that he’ll take enough blame from his coach so that he won’t be rewarded with the start against Florida.

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  64. Chuck says:

    Yup. Another “massive” 2-goal outburst in support of Carey.

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  65. Chuck says:

    …never mind that a Hab was high-sticked in open ice as they exited their zone moments before the call against O’Byrne.

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  66. elenar011 says:

    Only you apparently. Just voicing my opinion. If that warrants a ban, bring it on hab “lifer”.

  67. Da Hema says:

    A middling, not a bad, team Timo.

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    –Hunter S. Thompson

  68. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not even close, penalties ignored while we got called on our own stuff, player blatantly hooked down in a sequence that led to a Sabres goal. Ruff cried and the refs gave his team all they needed to crawl back in the game, the way those old cranks behind the bench can browbeat the refs is insane.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  69. Chuck says:

    Ahhh… light_n_douchy!

    :)

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  70. Chuck says:

    SIX penalties in a row. I guess that the Sabres must’ve played oh-so-nice from the 5:35 mark of the second period onward.

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  71. Rob D says:

    Ring ..ringgg..ringggg..

    It’s the pop gun calling. He wants his offense back.

     

    That Gomez fan was emblematic of the season in terms of finishing.

    They are what they are. A smallish team with limited scoring and mostly older and mediocre D-men who rely on superior goaltending and all out work ethic to win. I’m surprised they are as high in the standings as they are but the east is weak this year.

    I hate to say it, cause I know how many players are set back in their development by hasty callups, but they need a PK to lift them out of it. A spark..espeically from a rearguard who can carry the puck, make plays and skate..and score. Maybe I’m crazy but ..hell, I think this time as presently constituted isn’t going to last long in the SC derby.

    It was a terrific effort tonight..they played as well, almost to a man, as I have seen from them all season. Encouraging after the putrid game against TO in particular. But they still lost. That’s scary and I am worried, as Mr. Boone and others seem to be, about the long term effects of this kind of crushing loss so late in the year. This one could linger.

     

    PS

    I loved Lapierre last year..had high hopes..but he deserves his benching. I can’t believe someone could watch the games and dispute that. He’s giving 60% TOPS most nights and that’s not near enough for someone not names Crosby or Ovechkin.

     

     

     

     

  72. light_n_tasty says:

    Losing brings out the douchiness in me.

  73. andrewberkshire says:

    You can thank Lindy Ruff being a whiney bitch for that. The officials got intimidated, such BS.

  74. Chuck says:

    He was wearing his centennial mask tonight.

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  75. Chuck says:

    Yeah, at least we got that. He must’ve been working his ass off in practice, because he didn’t look nearly as rusty as I feared he would have been.

    All was fine until they went up 2-0 and the parade to the penalty box started…

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  76. thirdstone says:

    By blatantly displaying your stupidity you are only further delegitimizing your Price bashing. Good work.

  77. eyhp says:

    What I mean is that they will always find a way to defend their (Quebecois) boys no matter how badly they played in a game. Lapierre deserved the benching that he got tonight, he was responsible for both Ottawa goals the last game.

  78. matraque says:

    He didn’t play tonight… so he can’t be blamed… I don’t get it.  They said he should have played?

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    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  79. smiler2729 says:

    Joey, man, I like the cut of your gist.

    Don’t forget Jyrkki Lumme, who Pat Burns had no use for, who had an awesome career in Vancouver

  80. joeybarrie says:

    Very, very true…..

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  81. ManApart says:

    There’s no way you can compare goalie stats from the 80’s to now. Completely different. Roy’s stats were pretty much the best in the league when he had them. Price’s is around 30th. If you want to compare stats then pretty much every goalie in the league today is better than Roy and Halak makes Roy look like a junior goalie. Compare Price all you want to Roy (which is ridiculous) but you can’t use stats to do so.

  82. ManApart says:

    Interesting point

  83. Cape Breton says:

    The fact is, the Habs are an offensivly-challanged team. Witness the past three games: 3-2 L, 2-0 L, and 3-2 L. So that’s four goals scored for our heroes in three very important games. Defensively, of course, nobody can argue with the 8 goals scored against Canadiens in those three contests.

    It’s very difficult to win when it appears to be kitty-bar-the-door hockey every time the Habs get a slim one or two-goal lead. However, perhaps if the team team would go on the offence more often the goals would come. Instead it seems the team’s objective is to not let the other guys score rather than going for the jugular.

  84. citizenSanto says:

    As stated in today’s Montreal Gazette, Scotty Bowman himself warned the Canadiens NOT to trade Price.

    Are you trying to tell me that you know more than the living legend of Hockey, a man who has won 9 Stanely Cups?

    He has more hockey knowledge in his nose hairs than you do in your entire body.

    Get real.  

     

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    Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
    — Augustine of Hippo

  85. Arrow77 says:

    Am I the only one who thinks Jacques Martin should be blamed for the loss last night? I don’t remember seeing a game where the gap between two coaches was such a big factor.

    Yes, Lindy Ruff deserves the praise he gets for being so aggressive in the last 3 minutes but I can’t help but thinking that it wouldn’t be so obvious if our coach wasn’t that conservative. How many games have we lost this year (or won in tie-breaker) because we played to protect the lead to early in the third?

    We lost because we took penalties. We took penalties because we didn’t have the puck and we kept defending ourselves. If we had kept attacking the Sabres like we did the first two period, we may not have made the mental mistakes we did in the third.

  86. ManApart says:

    “Price has the makings of another Ryan Miller while Halak could turn into Cristobal Huet”…… You say it like it’s so…… There is no reason to think Price will end up better than Halak. The stats certainly don’t point that way. I could just as easily say: Halak has the makings of another Hasek and Price could turn into Trevor Kidd

  87. Ian Cobb says:

    Martin has done a great job helping put this train wrecked team back on the tracks. But that job is done and he is being out coached in most games now. He can only bring a team along so far and then gets lost in the weeds trying to get to the top level. He did the same in Ottawa and Florida. Time to move him upstairs now.

  88. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Posts like this tend to fuel the goalie debate with comments like “Price has played better than Halak since the Olympic break”. Did you know that Halak has played most of the games and had 6 wins in a row since the Olympic break?

    Not everyone thinks one goalie is better than the other. Me, I like em both, but I just happen to be a bigger fan of Halak.

    I personally thought Price was awesome last night. For some reason though, the kid can not catch a break.

    If you do not agree with posters, then tell them that, but don’t drag both young goalies through the mud to praise one or the other, just to prove an opinion you have.

    If I was coach, I would play Price tonight and Halak Saturday.

  89. smiler2729 says:

    Agreed.

  90. Jbell10 says:

    No worries, it was a tough loss but if the Habs can come back and play a great game against Florida (which I believe they will) it will do a tremendous amount for their confidence and springboard back into the hot seat.

    I did catch a little Anti-Chamber last night and these guys were a little wacky lol. Crystal Ball? What is this a magic show? Get to the point bud, put down the J.

    I loved it when the guys were giving their predictions for who would win the Wild vs. Philly game and according to the first couple of guys it was all up to GUY!!….Then PJ steps in and plugs a little humour at the pro-quebecois boys by saying “Latendresse va compté 14 buts et Brière 2″ Haha. Nice PJ.

     

     

  91. cjhousegirl says:

    I’m worried that with Cammy & MAB back our line-up is much too
    small. More skilled & talented but small. When we needed to win a
    board battle in the last few minutes we couldn’t. Buffalo had size out
    there in Vanek, Stafford & Gaustad who dominated down low and none
    of our forwards could do anything to help out the D either by making a
    chip play up the ice or just winning a board battle.

    With a
    much smaller line-up we gave up 40+ shots after a month of playing
    solid defensive hockey. We miss Moen for sure. Too bad Lappy can’t get
    his act together because he’s a big guy with speed who can forecheck
    the hell out of a team when he is motivated. He should be playing
    before Pyatt or Darche. He could help this team a lot if he ever got
    his head out of his ass.

    We’ll see how things go tonight with the shot situation.

  92. smiler2729 says:

    Good for Carey Price.

    Interviewed on TSN after the game, “we just sat on our azz” pretty much sums up the last two Buffalo goals. A 2-0 lead with 3 minutes to go and the Hab skaters decide to stand around and watch as the Sabres dissect them.

    Yeah, it happens all the time in hockey, football, basketball. Teams protecting a lead go into a mindless prevent defense. The Habs did it to the Ducks three Sundays ago, well, the worm has turned…

  93. Iceberg84 says:

    I’m upset fellow Habs fans. Tonight’s game between Toronto and Atlanta is forcing me to root for the Leafs… I feel so dirty! and the dirt’s not coming off! Must get clean! Must get clean! ahhhhhhh!!!!!

  94. smiler2729 says:

    I like both too but Price has the makings of another Ryan Miller while Halak could turn into Cristobal Huet…

    I agreed with the comment about Scotty Bowman’s assessment of him. Hands down gotta keep Price but I think keeping them both is good for both goalies and their respective competitive fires…

  95. Fansincebirth says:

    Drink a 6-pack of ’50 and call me in the morning :o)

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  96. smiler2729 says:

    NEVER root for the Laffs. Go Thashers! I have no fear of Atlanta knocking the Habs out of the playoff standings and I’d like to see ‘em in there instead of Boston or Philly… I think Atlanta also could upset Washington in the 1st Round.

    Mmm, Antichambre weed…

  97. hab lifer says:

    if there’s nothing wrong with Price, why can’t he win a game?

    and also, if he’s so good, why can’t he stop a shot in the shootout?

     

  98. notbigbird says:

    Great thought, Ian. I think you’re right. You are smarter than I am.

  99. HabFanSince72 says:

    SK74 and O’Byrne’s 3rd period penalties were in the offensive zone.

    We were undisciplined and it cost us. Plus the Sabres got a bit lucky.

    It happens.

     

  100. notbigbird says:

    Maybe, but it’s time to get over “the makings” and get on with it. While I don’t blame him for last night, I kind of think that Halak might have gotten it done. But I did feel bad for Carey. It would have been a confidence booster for him and the team, and he did deserve better.

  101. Danno says:

    My enemy’s enemy is my friend? Cheap is how I feel.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  102. K-hab25 says:

    First of all the final Roy stat was from 93′ and I guaran F’N tee you it was far from being tops in the league. Hasek in the early 90’s was putting up Miller #’s, so your argument doesn’t hold water. How about Brodeur from the early to the mid 90’s. The argument that at 22 Price has shown he’ll never be a franchise goalie because he struggles with consistency is ridiculous. Every single goalie in the NHL today that was starting 40+ games at 20 years of age, struggled with consistency. The guys who didn’t struggle weren’t even in the NHL till they were 24/25 years old. Everybody’s darling last year was Mason. “Why can’t Price be like Mason”. “I’d take Mason over Price anyday”. Well Mason has been terrible this year. The new darling is Rask, I wonder what people will say when he’s struggling next year aswell. It’s rare that a goalie under 24/25 comes into this league as the main guy and doesn’t struggle with consistency.

  103. SlovakHab says:

    Hmmm. Ryan Miller. Low draft pick, became a starter when 25 years old.. Went through a patient development process without high expectations.. 

    Yep, just like Carey Price

  104. ricardamundo says:

    Unfortunately, I lost my signal when the Habs were about to play 4 on 6 with the score still 2-0. Well, maybe I should say fortunately, since I didn’t have to watch the debacle. I went to l’Antichambre at one point to see if I could find out what happened and caught Bergeron ragging on Price so I knew it wasn’t good news. Went to the web to get the scoop. Not good.

    Hey Boone, this morning I’m glad to see some sanity return to the posts. Last night after the loss, it was not good at all. I understand everyone was hot but some of the posts were totally unacceptable. You need to have some better monitoring in real time. I was going to participate but the comments were generally angry rants with occasional outbursts of profanity. Some posters don’t seem to have any self-control or understand that it is a public forum. Swear and curse at the TV, kick the cat if you must (I know I did), but keep the insanity off the board.

    Great game for 58 minutes. Worst outcome of the year. Bad sleep. Bad mood this morning. Don’t know how much more of this I can take.

     

  105. Ian Cobb says:

    He would make a good assistant to Kirk Muller

  106. piche says:

    Thats a tough way to lose.  Even though I have to say I have jumped on the Halak bandwagon – first note here is that Price played a great game – not his loss.

    Here is what I was thinking during those last minutes:

    1)  Sergei’s been out their way too long.  I think he is a great defensive player and I like him and Moore on the penalty kill – but – Sergei seems to take the shortest shifts of anybody on the team – which I like – but in this situation he was probably out there about 3 times longer than a normal shift for him.

    2)  After the first goal – with two of our better defensive players completely gassed – JM needed to call a time out!

    3)  No way Cammi and AK (especially Cammi) should have been out there when you know we are going to be short handed (ie pulling Miller again).  What was he (JM) trying to do?  Get AK the hat trick?  Ridiculas.  I love Cammi – but I wouldn’t want him in a short handed situation if he was 100% – let alone coming off an injury. 

    So – #1 above couldn’t really be avoided – we got hemmed in 6 on 4.  It happens.  #2 and #3 not so much. This is JM’s loss. 

     

    Cheers,

     

    dp

  107. HabsfaninMA says:

    Awww, poor wittle Price, he’s sooooo jinxed. Give me a break!! Now, was goaltending the biggest issue last night? Of course not! But, please. It’s so tiresome to read, every time Price loses, that he’s “jinxed.” Yeah, the Habs only scored 2 goals for him. But, the Sabres only scored two goals in regulation for Miller. The difference is that Miller made the stops when it mattered. Price wasn’t challenged until the last few minutes of the game, and he let in 2 goals. And, how was he “jinxed” in the SO when he let in 2 of 3. That is 1-on-1 play.

    I notice that Boone always likes to mention Halak’s rebounds, but there was no mention today about the big rebound that Price let in for the tying goal. I guess he missed that.

    I have stayed away from registering from this board because I didn’t want to be part of the “controversy.” But, I decided to sign up today because I am so tired of people running to Price’s defense when he really hasn’t deserved it for about a year-and-a-half. ENOUGH of calling Price the “Franchise.” He is no way that. When a player is “the Franchise” in any sport, that player proves it right away. For example …. Tom Brady. He went out in his first year and won a superbowl. Then won two more. THAT is a franchise player. What has Price done?????? Other than a spurt of a few great games a couple of years ago, he has done nothing. Halak carried the team to the playoffs last year, and then Price was granted the #1 goalie position in the playoffs, in which he was swept in four games.

    Franchise goalies stand on their head …. Kind of like Rask is doing in Boston. That team stinks offensively, but Rask carries the Bruins to some important wins by getting a shutout or allowing just 1.

    Price is NOT a franchise goalie just because he was drafted #5. Guess what? Some high draft picks don’t pan out. Halak or no Halak, Price hasn’t deserved the defending he’s received in the last year-and-a-half, in my opinion.

    That all being said, this team is going nowhere.

  108. Ian Cobb says:

    Tell that to Andree, I need all the help I can get.

  109. piche says:

    Not sure about O’Byrne’s… but I thought SK74s was at our blueline in the defensive zone.

  110. Chris says:

    Assistant coaches almost never make good head coaches unless they make the move to a new team. As assistant coaches, they have to be the “good guy” to the head coach’s “bad guy”, and it has more often than not been very difficult to change that role with the players upon promotion. Look no further than Dave Lewis in Detroit.

  111. RJ says:

    Well said. This is the most thought-out post on the board in a long time.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  112. Danno says:

    Today’s discussion would have a completely different tone if only we would have popped an empty-netter.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  113. smiler2729 says:

    “This team is going nowhere”. Awwwww poor widdle HabsfaninMA… upset cuz things aren’t going his way. Boohoo.

    Talk about fickle fairweather fans eh.

  114. HabsfaninMA says:

    Nice try. I stick by my teams through thick and thin. Doesn’t mean I can’t express frustration.

  115. smiler2729 says:

    Okay put it this way.

    Halak The Anointed One, totally sucks against last place Toronto and loses in a Shootout and nobody squawks… but Price makes 40 saves vs. 1st place Buffalo and loses as THE TEAM stands around and watches the Sabres tie it in the final minutes and lose in a Shootout and all of a sudden Carey Price is a failed first round pick.

    DOUBLE STANDARD!

    Carey Price will be the next Ryan Miller… probably in Chicago or Philadelphia.

    Jaro Halak will be the next Cristobal Huet (or Steve Penney) and Montreal will remain mediocre.

  116. smiler2729 says:

    Apparently that’d be Price’s fault too, he shoulda took up upon himself to score the EN goal since none of the other red, white & blue pylons were even remotely interested in doing it…

  117. Iceberg84 says:

    Personally I don’t blame either goaltender. Shootouts are random, annoying and basically a skills contest and not real hockey. But I will say that Halak has certainly earned our trust and a lot more leeway than Price in terms of games he’s allowed to lose. He saved us twice this season for two big stretches (the December run and our recent 6-game streak). Price just hasn’t. It would only be a double standard if they had similar records, which they don’t this season. But that’s me playing the devil’s advocate. I don’t blame Price for last night or Halak against Toronto. I like em both.

  118. notbigbird says:

    You’re kidding. Right?

  119. longtimehabsfan says:

    Whatever happens we cannot afford to lose Coach Boucher. 

  120. HabsfaninMA says:

    Halak is not the “annointed one.” He earned his spot this season. Call me crazy, but I like to see guys EARN it. And, Price is not “all of a sudden” a failed number 1 pick. He HAS been a failed number 1 pick so far. Rask was picked 21st in the same draft. At this point, I’d take that guy over Price in a second. But, no one in Boston is annointing Rask “the franchise.” They just know they have a really good goaltender.

    Not to worry. I’m sure the Habs will sign Price. I just hope he develops and get his head on straight.

  121. ACF says:

    Brutal loss and poor coaching.   The lack of size will hurt this team in April. 

  122. JB_15 says:

    Man, sorry, but calling Halak the annointed one really takes away from your credibility. Jaro has had to work his ass off game in and out to get any respect in this town.

    Secondly, Jaro’s poor effort against Toronto (which wasnt actually poor at all, but the team was lifeless that night) came at the end of a streak of 6 games in a row (all of which were wins). That’s tiring. And you’re entitled to a loss for every 6 wins. Price isn’t anywhere near that.

    Carey Price is a failed first round pick, so far. There is no debating this dude. He has been a huge disappointment.

  123. RJ says:

    Rask, taken 16 places after Price, leads the league in GAA and Save Percentage. He has carried an offensively-inept Boston team that has scored 18 goals LESS than Montreal. His team is one point behind Montreal in the standings and has a game in hand. So who is the FRANCHISE goalie in the 2005 draft?

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  124. RiverviewCanadien says:

    See this is what I mentioned below…

    Why say those things about Halak? Are you trying to make him look bad to make Price look better, because you will have to try ALOT harder than that. I did not blame Price for the loss, but even if someone did, why bring up Jaro? Just disagree without dragging someone else through the mud.

    Halak has EARNED the respect of the Canadiens faithful IMO by playing very consistently, for you to say your last line is disrespectful.

    Nobody can predict the future about either goalie, if you really think you can, what will be the score tonight, Saturday night, heck for the rest of the regular season, and in fact, give me the scores for all the other NHL games too, I want to win big on a ProLine!!!

  125. rwparent says:

    Ruff has a little hissy fit. The refs cave and call 4 Habs penalties in a row.Wrong guys on the ice. Nobody can put one in the empty net. This folks is a bad chain of events BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS? The team showed up and played well and Price was sharp. What more do you want?

    They lost a one goal game on the road to the first place team.  Get over it….JM is turned this bunch into competitors and helped clean house. This is no longer a team that anybody is going to sweep. Be happy with that – it is only going to get better.

     

  126. JB_15 says:

    Don`t cheer for Toronto to win, just hope for Atlanta to lose. Toronto winning however, is also good for us. The better they do, the lower their first round pick, which goes to Boston.

    I`d LOVE it if T.O finished 9th. Perfect positioning IMO.

  127. ACF says:

    Totally agree.  I think team size is a major factor and will become even larger down the stretch and into the post-season.

  128. joeybarrie says:

    Arguably the two best teams in the NHL are the Blackhawks and the
    Capitals. Both their goalie’s have the same SV% as Carey Price.

    Three
    teams struggling to make the playoffs, New York, Calgary and Boston all
    have goalie’s with SV% close to Halak’s. With Boston’s being the best
    SV% in the league.

    Then you got Cristobal Huet. His SV% is one of the worst in the NHL. Yet he has more wins than Halak,

    WHAT IVE HA ENOUGH IS OF THE STUPIDITY that is judging a goalie before he has had the proper experience. Last night we took too many penalties and we got tired. They completely bombarded us with shots. Price did VERY WELL to keep them out, and a few got thru. Nothing to do with Price’s play and everything to do with the fact they had a 6 on 4 and luck on their side.

    Franchice players proving it right away, regardless of situation huh???

    PLAYER 1                       PLAYER 2

    SV%  GAA 3.35               SV% .920 GAA 2.56

    SV%   GAA 2.93              SV% .905 GAA 2.83

    SV% .900 GAA 2.90         SV% .912 GAA 2.79

    SV% .908 GAA 2.47

    SV% .912 GAA 2.53

    SV% .906 GAA 2.71

    SV% .914 GAA 2.36

    SV% .894 GAA 3.20

    CAN YOU GUESS WHICH PLAYER IS PATRICK ROY AND WHICH IS CAREY PRICE????????

    Also if you notice….Roy’s two WORST seasons resulted in the Stanley Cup.  But yeah your right…. I guess Patrick Roy wasn’t a franchise goalie.  He did have one thing Price does not…

    MATS NASLUND, BOBBY SMITH, AND LARRY ROBINSON all with more than 80 points.

    GUY CARBONNEAU, BOB GAINEY AND CHRIS CHELIOS. 3 of the best players the league has ever seen.

    VINCENT DAMPHOUSSE, KIRK MULLER, and BRIAN BELLOWS all with almost 40 goals each add STEPHAN LEBEAU FOR OVER 80 POINTS EACH.

    So again, Prices 3 first season are statistically better than Roy, yet you refuse to realize he is such a great goalie…. THEN WHY DO SO MANY PROFESSIONALS THINK HE IS SO GOOD?????????????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  129. RJ says:

    Dude, Carey Price is no Patrick Roy.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  130. Arrow77 says:

    I don’t remember where the penalties were taken but that’s not my point. By playing “prevent” defense too early in the period, we lost our rhythm and allowed Buffalo to find their legs, resulting in penalties. Forcing the Sabres to defend themselves for ten more minutes might have made the last moments of the period a lot easier.

  131. Chris says:

    Like others have said, we fans said the same thing about Don Lever and Claude Julien when the Bulldogs were experiencing success in the AHL.  He might become a good NHL coach or he might not…I have a hard time putting Boucher in the category of being vital to the franchise’s future success.  We just don’t know yet how his tactics will work with millionaire athletes.

  132. joeybarrie says:

    OK, how about we compare Price with the current record leader. Martin Brodeur Career SV% .914, Carey Price .912………Any problem with this comparison????

     

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  133. smiler2729 says:

    My calling Halak “The Anointed One” is my tongue-in-cheek way of appeasing all the fervent Halakians on this board.  The way he is talked up and revered by some of you is just as ridiculous as Price being labelled a failure.

    There seems to be no gray area for some of you, you are polarized – it’s either black or white which is unrealistic cuz this is a gray world, people.

  134. Merc_Roswell says:

    What was Cammalleri doing on the ice trying to kill a penalty at the end of the 3rd? Yes, he played a good game and yes, he is a goal scorer but a guy for killing a penalty off of that magnitude?? Bad coaching decision (but otherwise a well organized plan of attack for the first 56-7 minutes). Price deserved the goose egg and his play waranted a victory (like his game in SJ).

  135. joeybarrie says:

    OK quick to judge. These are some of the things i have seen. MAYBE we should rush to judge…

    JOHN LECLAIR, we dont need him. He will never be really good…..

    GUY LAFLEUR, he will never be an excellent NHL quality player. QMJHL was the best he could do. 2nd or 3rd line is the best he can do.

    THEO FLEURY, never be big enought to do anything in the NHL.

    The 2007 Montreal Canadiens are the front runners to win the Stanley Cup

    The 2008 Montreal Canadiens will be the front runner to win the Stanley Cup

    TOMAS PLEKANEC, one hit wonder who will never do as well as his 2007 season. Gainey should have traded him.

    MATHIEU DARCHE, useless, why are we even giving him a chance to play. OUR CUPBOARD IS BARE.

    DOMINIC MOORE, useless, why would we trade away our 2nd round draft pick for such a bad player.

    MIKE CAMMALLERI, Bob Gainey paid too much for him. He hasnt proved anything yet.

    BRIAN GIONTA, Bob paid too much for him. He is a smurf, and he hast had a good season since 2005.

    MAB, who is this useless kid. He sucks, and will never help this team.

    GLEN METROPOLIT, Why would we pick him up on waivers. The Habs are down to buying the Flyers garbage.

    GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE, never be a top scorer, in fact he will never be
    able to play above the top two lines. I doubt he will even be in the
    NHL in the next 3 years. THIS ONE IS MY FAVORITE……..

                     So go ahead, TALK IT UP. YOULL BE EATING YOUR WORDS AGAIN. Just like so many have done before. We expect instant results in this city. It doesnt work like that.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  136. smiler2729 says:

    Dragging Halak into it? I had to for the polarized here (see my below post), they can only see the white if you hold up against the black or vice versa.

  137. sidhu says:

    No mention of JM’s idiotic decision to put AK and Cammy on to defend the lead at the end of the game — which I believe contributed to our loss of the game.  If those two cannot be trusted to play on a normal PK, why are they on there when the game is on the line??   What was more important, JM, getting AK a hattrick?  Or securing two points in the game?

  138. Shublips says:

    PP was weak, Martin’s call was weak and the loss was unfortunate and painful.

    Read what Habs Addict has to say:
    http://www.habsaddict.com/2010/03/montreal-buffalo-sabres-rally-late-to.html

  139. Da Hema says:

    Uh, would you cheer for Toronto? I would cheer for the Saddam Hussein Brigades before I would ever cheer for the Leafs. And I am not fond of the Flames either.

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    “There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge….”

    –Hunter S. Thompson

  140. matraque says:

    Because they are canucks fans and don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

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    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  141. Da Hema says:

    So Canucks fans are supposed to cheer for the Habs? And if they don’t, that makes them dumb? That is very strange.

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    “There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge….”

    –Hunter S. Thompson

  142. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think Canadian hockey fans should generally root for Canadian teams when their team is not playing against them, I want the Canadiens to win the Cup first of course, but I would gladly cheer on the Canucks if they were in the Cup Finals so we can bring the Cup back to Canada for the first time since 93.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  143. Chuck says:

    Laps for Lats? PG, make it happen!   :)

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  144. JasonM says:

    Lats has 27 goals now.

  145. habsfan321 says:

    That’s one more goal than Cammalleri… (yes, I know he was injured… but still!)

  146. arcosenate says:

    That one hurt.

    Florida tonight, I would start Price again.

    Anyway, need this w pretty bad now…

  147. thebonscott says:

    I WISH THEY’D START PRICE AGAIN, BUT NOT GONNA HAPPEN

  148. TommyB says:

    All’s fair in love and war…..but hockey?

    One of the worst things, as a coach, is the two-goal lead late in the game.  This is especially worrisome when your team is known to have trouble scoring.  Why is it one of the worst things?  Because you know that your players are thinking this is in the bag.  It’s over.  They’ve won.  But the reality is you are one mistake, and one bad penalty, from a tie game.

    Such was the case last night.  All through that third period I was hoping and praying we could get that third goal.  I felt that the extra cushion was needed against a team like Buffalo that does not quit until the final buzzer.  The closer it got to the last few minutes, the more worried I became.  Sure enough, one mistake, and one bad penalty….tie game.

    There will be many pointing fingers at Carey Price today.  And those people would be dead wrong.   Price played superb last night.  His team in front of him let him down big time.  Having to face Miller in the shootout, the Habs were doomed the moment that overtime buzzer went.  None of this is Price’s fault, and IMO, it would be a gross and unnecessary kick in the you know whats, if Martin does not come back with Price tonight.  You can’t hang that loss on him, and by going to Halak tonight, that is exactly what you would be doing regardless of whatever spin Martin would put on it.  If you can’t beat the Florida Panthers without the game riding on who plays goal for you, then you have no business thinking about playoffs anyway.  Give the kid a break.  Start him again tonight.

  149. Ian Cobb says:

    I agree Tommy, his confidence would be smarting some if he does not start.

  150. Fansincebirth says:

    In spite of the last three minutes, OT and the SO, I’m happy with what I saw last night. It was a Phoenix of a team. The team that played the Sens was the team we agonized over prior to the Olympic break, the one who we believed would not, could not (and didn’t deserve) to make the playoffs.

    6 players on 4, something’s gotta give, someone’s gotta be open and he was.

    6 players on 5, one down in front of the net, everyone scrambling for the puck and bingo, it’s in the net.

    Whatta ya gonna do?

    We had lots of chances to make this a lop-sided game but Miller being Miller, it wasn’t and it came down to the shoot out.

    Take the one point and get ready for Florida.

    Start Price tonight! He looked great and the best thing I liked about him is when Buffalo scored, he didn’t look like a hurt puppy looking for someone to blame. Perhaps he’s grown up during his layoff?

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  151. Danno says:

    I saw him shaking his head. Can’t say I blame him though.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  152. wild flower says:

    Very reasonable comments. I too, couldn’t understand the angst over a 6 on 4 goal.

  153. Chester says:

    We are all going to die.

  154. Ian Cobb says:

    I just don’t want to say to much about last night so I thought I would post this instead.

     

    PK’s development is the way to bring a future super star along slowly.

    I
    have said for the last 5 years that PK was the next super star on D in
    waiting. I have said many times that he is a cross between Bobby Orr
    and Brad Park.

    What people don’t understand is that he needed
    this year in the A and maybe more to learn how to be a pro first. He
    has the talent, we all know that, he just needs to mature and season
    himself a year or two before being thrown to the wolfs. I know this
    quality young man very well and his desire to be on our blue line has
    been his life long dream.

    I have even more admiration for the
    Habs front office in bringing him along slowly. Unlike our errors of
    the past with some players in not giving time enough in the minors to
    have a more solid foundation with their confidence. Especially
    Defenseman and goal tenders. I believe that is Cary Price’s problem
    going forward, not having enough time in the minors first.

    All you fans are in for a genuine treat as PK continues his development and he will be our captain in a few years.

  155. thebonscott says:

    AGREED GOOD POST

  156. ed lopaz says:

     

    what is it about PK that makes him LESS READY than Tyler Myers, or Zack Bogosian, or Carlson on Ottawa, or Del Zotto in New York -

    4 defenceman currently playing full time minutes for their respective NHL teams and filling key roles.

    There are a few others, I’m sure.

    But I look at PK – his confience on and off the ice; his composure; his tenacity and willingness to compete;

    I listen to Red Fisher state for the record that PK was our best player in the 2 games he played for us this year

    And I just can’t understand how someone still wants to convince himself that THE BEST THING for PK is to leave him in the minors.

    I think PK is more ready today than you give him credit for.

    You’re not even sure he shouldn’t be back in Hamilton NEXT YEAR, as you wrote for us to read…”that he needed this year in the A and maybe more”.

    Even Boone – who obviously agrees with you on this – has him firmly in our lineup next year.

    So what is it about PK?

    He is +40 – about +20 better than anyone else on his AHL team – AS A ROOKIE, no less; so it can not be his 5 on 5 defence

    He has broken Hamilton records for goals and assits by a defenceman AS A ROOKIE

    He has already won 2 World Junior Championships

    He has already played about 70 games in the AHL

    You say he will be a captain for the Canadiens one day but he might need to spend 2 years in Hamilton?

    There are 19 year old defencemen helping their teams, night in and night out, developing at the NHL level

    I have studied the position of defence very carefully, and I think I know a thing or two about development and even psychology.

    Every indication is that the Habs could have easily had PK in their lineup this year – it was not about PK.

    No sir.

    Bob Gainey was given a mandate to spend 30 million dollars last summer. You see, Ian, where I’m going here?

    The Habs make a ton of money even when their salaries hit the very top of the cap.

    Gainey decided to use this money to sign Spacek, Gill, and Mara – between them they account for about 8 million dollars out of our 56 million cap.

    Once these giys were signed, together with Markov and Gorges and O’byrne, there was no where left for Pk.

    Nobody imagined he would be this good this fast.

    Pk was a second round pick, not a first rounder like the guys I listed above.

    Now Pk has surpassed everyone’s expectaions and he’s about to be named AHL rookie of the year and is arguably the best defenceman in the AHL.

    I just don’t understand the problem – is he immature? is he childish in the room? is he a moron?

    because it seems to me like you have this all wrong.

    it seems to me like the habs money decisions have pushed PK to the backburner – at least for now – and everyone up here in Montreal is just spewing the company propoganda B.S., while the habs try to win with spacek, hamrlik, gill and O’byrne

    sorry – you strike me a real smart guy, ian – and i know you know your hockey – but i honestly believe that the only reason why PK is not up here is that the habs can not afford to take O’byrne’s toughness out of the lineup and  it would be very difficult to sell in the room that a rookie has taken the spot from Spacek or Hamrlik (it would cause more harm than good to the”chemistry” of the room)

    that’s my take.

    the habs had a GM who spent the entire budget on medicore defenceman last summer – the room is fragile and PK would not fit into the chemistry of the current room

    in my opinion-  it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PK – NOT HIS DEVELOPMENT – NOTHING

     

  157. Iceberg84 says:

    All things considered I’d still take Buffalo in the first round over the rest of the top four. Let’s hope the habs can hang on to 6th place. 5 more wins, that’s all I ask for! Well… that and to not see them get completely embarassed in the first round again.

  158. linp says:

    I prefer NJ or Pittsburgh. Miller is too good.

  159. thirdstone says:

    Someone please tell me where I can find post game audio/footage. I’d like to hear reactions!

  160. Habadabadoo says:

    I missed prices on ice reaction after the loss as TSN swapped to the ducks/canucks game immediatly. Id like to see it though, simply because I feel bad for the guy, and think the team deserves a bit of a yelling at after leaving him hung out to dry after his performance tonight.

  161. habs33 says:

    Put Price back in against Florida. He played well and was seeing the puck very easily last night. You CAN’T blame that loss on Price.

    The kid sat for too long and I was surprised to see him play as well as he did. Halak has played well, but I wasn’t thrilled with him in that shoot-out loss to the Leafs last Saturday.

    Give Price a shot to rebuild/refind his confidence. I agree with Boone that if Price didn’t have bad luck he’d have no luck at all…it’s been a season of bad bounces, tipped shots, fluke goals and bad breaks.

    Thoughts? Comments? Questions? Criticism? Praise?

    GO HABS GO!

  162. linp says:

    I think JM should be taking the blame for the loss. After the 1st goal, he should have taken a timeout, and come back with something like Pleks, Moore, Gionta, Pyatt, SKost or Metropolit with Markov and Gill at D, especially since Hamrlik has been off defensively lately. Cammalleri and AK are not defensive players.

  163. habs33 says:

    I agree on JM needing to take a timeout and not doing it. Bad move in my books…

     

    GO HABS GO!

  164. Danno says:

    I’ve noticed too that he has this phobia about calling time outs. I cannot understand it.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  165. Odie Cleghorn says:

    Good teams learn a lot more from a loss like this especially heading into the playoffs. We had a nice run there and everybdoy on this site was talking about catching Buffalo. Nice talk but a little premature. Now we have a bit of a dry spell one loss and two ties (in real NHL indicators) and the talk is all about missing the playoffs, firing the coach, benching the goalie and packing it in. Relax people. It’s taken this team over 70 games to ice a full team, play a great 57 minutes against one of the best teams in the league, and we still have 9 games to go to stay healthy, play well and get prepared for an inriguing opportunity in the playoffs. How does that compare to how everybody felt about  the “team” that was in this situation last year?

    Relax people…this is the ebb and flow of the tides of a long hockey season. Always turbulent, always changing, and always strewing the flotsam and jetsom of games won and lost along the shoreline…

    Be steady lads.

    Go Habs Go.   

     

  166. SlovakHab says:

    I wish they won, no matter who starts.

  167. hab lifer says:

    I wish the habs would win, but not going to happen.

  168. andrewberkshire says:

    What a bummer, Boone. Still don’t believe it.

  169. Mike Boone says:

    Neither do I. It was a crusher.

     

  170. SlovakHab says:

    AHL is not a place to prove something, but to learn something. Like adjusting to a life of a professional, learn how to win as well as how to lose. Work on small details that the professional coaching staff feels you need to adjust, etc.

  171. Ian Cobb says:

    He only came up late in the year and was on a great high from the juniors win. He needed two full years in the A as do all players to develop between the ears as well as the pipes. That lack of playing time as a minor pro will cost him as he fights his ups and downs in the NHL. To large a step up from being a great junior. And really that is all he was coming here.

  172. Ian Cobb says:

    Well said! Slovak

  173. longtimehabsfan says:

    This team can’t do anything without torturing us fans.  How many games has this team won with authority?  Enough torture. 

  174. SlovakHab says:

    Miller, Brodeur, Fleury.. All good goalies.

    But I take playing against Pominville, Vanek, Roy and Gaustad over playing against Malkin, Crosby, Parise or Kovalchuk in a heartbeat.. We’d have a decent chance against Buffalo, comparing to the Pengiuns or the Capitals. New Jersey are a very good team as well..

  175. longtimehabsfan says:

    I’ll take Buffalo.  They were lucky last night.  This game was similar to game 1 of the 1993 series against Quebec. 

  176. K-hab25 says:

    I wouldn’t want to play BUF if Halak is net. He has had 2 horrible games against BUF allowing 5 goals in each game. Now if it were Price, ya. He’s allowed 4 goals in 3 games, including 2 OT’s. Halak is the #1 for right now, so it would be better if we played NJ in round 1.

  177. badbalance says:

    Nasty loss, we’re in 6th now though and in a better position that Flyers who are without a goalie and without their top scorer, the flying elbow to the face man.

  178. eyhp says:

    So what else is new with these guys on Antichambre? They only see the world through their fleur-de-lis Quebecois coloured glasses.

  179. matraque says:

    What are you talking about?  What are you trying to say?

    ——

    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  180. light_n_tasty says:

    Well, now we know what it’s like to be basically every team we beat this year.  Didn’t Buffalo just pull off a typical Habs suck-out win?

  181. linp says:

    Our team played very well for 57 minutes. It was unlucky to give up two late goals. Miller stopped us cold in the SO. A goalie can steal a game.

  182. Bob Barker says:

    Tough to take but we’re still looking good. 5 points up on ATL who has a game in hand. They need to pass the Habs to make it because the Habs have the tiebreaker. I don’t mind the Washington matchup if we finish 8th. The Habs play well against their style of play. 

  183. matraque says:

    Poor Carey.  Just can’t win.  I was watching the game with a bunch of Canucks fans and they obviously all were cheering for the Sabres.

    In OT, one of them wanted to bet on who would win.  I said i would have if Halak was in the net.

    ——

    Komisarek: 0 – 4 – 4 (-9)
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469460

  184. badbalance says:

    What a bunch of douchebags. Agree on the Price thing… Just can’t buy a damn win for his life. What the hell does he have to do to get one… I mean, standing on his head and giving Georges the hairy eye doesn’t work.. What will…

  185. wild flower says:

    Why do Canucks fans obviously cheer for the Sabres?

  186. Ian Cobb says:

    One large difference is they are better preparing him for the pressure cooker market of Montreal at 20 years old.

    Many more, and getting him ready for a long career in Mtl. is a job in itself. RIGHT!

    I don’t know how old you are , but were you at the top of your profession at 20 years old. It takes time to not ruin careers.

    And anyway, let him have the experience of leadership in Hamilton as they persue a championship there. We are not ready to make a run for the Stanley just yet here anyway. But he will be a large part of our next parade my friend.

  187. ed lopaz says:

    i’m 45. you?

    I was not at the top of my game at 20 – but hockey is not a real job, is it?

    What about guys that break in to the Boston or NewYork markets – in baseball or basketball – do you think they have more character than PK?

    Guys like PK are exceptions to the rule.

    You are right Ian – as i told Boone.

    Most defenceman need to learn how play as pros and can use some time in the AHL.

    PK is an exception – AND HE HAS ALREADY PLAYED 70 GAMES IN THE AHL – and burned the league – he is already too good for the AHL and his season is not done.

    I don’t think his career will be ruined. I think he’s the exception and he deserves at least the same credit as Bogosian, Carlson, Myers and the others.

    There is conventional wisdom and then there are players who force you to throw this wisdom out the window.

    The Derek Jeters, Coby Bryants, of the world – that’s the type of star I see for this kid.

    And if those dudes could withstand the pressure of the NY baseball and LA basketball markets, then PK can make it as a 20 year old in Montreal.

  188. Ian Cobb says:

    I am 66, worked for the Habs way back and have been involved in  the junior development of players in both the Q and the OHL leagues.

    And anyway, let him have the experience of leadership in Hamilton as
    they persue a championship there. We are not ready to make a run for
    the Stanley just yet here anyway. But he will be a large part of our
    next parade my friend.

  189. ed lopaz says:

    i agree with your last point.

    we’ll have to wait til next year – but not more than that !! :-)

     

     

  190. notbigbird says:

    I sort of understand and agree. Every other team seems to be able to insert kids and have them do great, and for whatever reason WE (sorry Jack) can’t. Maybe it’s the team and city, or maybe it’s just an individual thing. Maybe PK had more learning to do than some. Not sure I want to expose him to JM anyway. Eveyone was singing JM’s praises after the streak but not so much today. I think Ian is right about JM being a stabilizing influence when we needed it, but I don’t think he’s the man to lead us to glorious heights. Although he’s not as hapless as the last guy, I do think his best-before date has passed. I hope to be proved wrong, however.

  191. matrags says:

    I agee with most of your post. I wonder why some teamsa seems to seamlessly work young prospects into the line up without so called seasoning in the minors. If as you state subbans stay in hamilton is a busness decision , then all other arguments are academic. , however, this franchise has a woeful record when trying to work prospects into the lineup. Price is a great prospect with all kinds of upside ,yet just tow yrs into the experiment we hear talk of a trade , Latendresse became a hulking perifery player , after being heralded as the next great french canadien , traded he has morphed into the power forward everyone agreed  ,he should be. This team lives in the moment, win now at alll costs , it smothers iprospects with expectations to be delivered ,in the moment,, , and drains them of the confidence they need to suceed. For Subban the real question remains , can his obvious exuberance for the game overcome the opressive pressure of the demands of the franchise to perform now, win now a nd even if he did play , would he find himself playing fifteen or twenty  min a game , or sitting the pine s  the first time  that exu berance  causes  a turnover leading to a goal……

  192. longtimehabsfan says:

    I think the organization has become gun shy because of what happened with Gui, Patch and Dags.  I agree that PK is probably ready to join the team now and it would have been interesting to see what would kind of spark he would have brought down the stretch.  Another factor is the money invested in the current group of defensemen.  We already have a log jam of D men.  During the offseason, I imagine PG will clear out some salary.  He will have to in order to make room for PK who will not spend another season in Hamilton.

  193. matrags says:

    just great posts from you and Ian , someday someone will ficquire out the prospect Paradox in montreal, as for p k . cant wait to see him wind up and lead the rush in montreal, maybe even pull us out of ours seats again…..

  194. Chris says:

    I think that the answer to your question lies in how prepared players were coming out of junior.  Like Ian, I have followed the OHL reasonably closely over the past few years.  Whenever the Bulls came to Guelph to play the Storm, I always made sure to go out and watch, partially because of Subban and partially because the Bulls were the closest team to my hometown growing up.

    Along the way, I also got to see a lot of other elite junior defencemen come through:  Alex Pietrangelo, Zach Bogosian, Drew Doughty, Michael Del Zotto, John Carlson, P.K. Subban, Yannick Weber, Ryan Parent, etc.  Subban was definitely an exciting player in junior, but from my vantage point he did not dominate the game anywhere near the extend of his peers like Doughty, Carlson or even Weber (to be honest). 

    You focus on the guys that really worked out:  Bogosian, Myers or Del Zotto.  You ignore the fact that those guys are very much the exception to the rule!  Bogosian is a monstrous physical specimen, as is Myers.  Those guys, due to winning the genetic lottery, can already compete with the men in the NHL because of their immense size and strength.  Del Zotto is a more fair comparison, playing a similar offensive style to Subban.  He also stepped into a good situation…the Rangers needed a quarterback on their blueline.  Subban does not have that same luxury, as the Habs already have one of the best in the business patrolling their blueline in the form of Andrei Markov.

    Look at some of the excellent defensive prospects drafted around the same time as P.K. Subban.  Karl Alzner, who is a blue chip defenceman for just about everybody in the business, is still having trouble cracking the NHL lineup on an everyday basis.  Nobody doubts that he will make it sooner than later and that he will be very good when he does…it just takes time.

    The difference between the guys that have made it and the ones who have not yet come up is at the defensive end of the rink.  Subban is an offensive dynamo, but he also carries a deserved reputation (based on the 10 games or so I watched him play live in his final two years of junior) of being a bit lax defensively.  He over-pursued the puck and relied far too heavily on his elite speed to cover up for poor judgement and shaky positioning.  That judgement is improving, and he is coming to rely on that speed much less now.  This is crucial to his NHL success, because the players in the NHL are much faster, stronger and bigger than the kids he was exploiting in the OHL.

    Let’s not be in such a rush to see the kid in Montreal.  Subban is learning how to adjust to faster and stronger players while also getting some proper technical coaching on playing positional defence.  In the meantime, the Habs can work on clearing room this summer by trying to move Roman Hamrlik or Jaro Spacek to free up space for Subban on the big team.

  195. hab lifer says:

    maybe stopping a shot instead of choking when a save was needed.

    and if the kid could ever learn how to stop a shot in the shootout, then maybe he might win a game in this lifetime.

  196. Propwash says:

    Sorry, but thats just lame

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 


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