About last night …

PriceTB

That might have been the best goaltending performance at the Bell Centre since the 2010 playoffs.
I hesitate to use the adjective, lest it bring the trolls and second-guessers crawling out of the woodwork, but Carey Price was positively Halakian Tuesday night.
Thing is, Price’s 44 saves did not come against the likes of Alexander Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby, superstars memorably stoned in that amazing playoff run.
Tampa Bay was missing its superstar forward, but the Lightning still managed to bombard Price.
The visitors were full value for the two points they took.
And were it not for Price’s heroics, the Lightning would have won easily in regulation time.
As it was, the Canadiens salvaged a point on the strength of their brilliant goaltender.

Through two periods, the Canadiens had a grand total of 13 shots on goal – six of which were off the stick of P.K. Subban (he finished with eight). No other Canadien had more than one shot through 40 minutes.

The night after being shut out in Boston and losing Steven Stamkos, the Lightning played a textbook road game.

They grabbed an early lead on Ryan Malone’s goal five minutes into the game, then skated, battled and checked the Canadiens into the ice until the final five minutes of the third period, when the allegedly home team got a fluke goal from Daniel Brière to send the game into OT after the Canadiens played shorthanded for the last 1:06 of regulation time.

Then there was another penalty in OT, which resulted in something I’d never seen since the new tie-breaking format was introduced: Because the Canadiens were two men short, the OT became 5 Lightning skaters against three defenders.

And Price held the fort. He raised his save percentage to .933 and lowered his goals-against average to 2.12 – spectacular numbers, especially when you look at what’s playing in front of him.

The Canadiens allow 31.5 shots per game, 22nd in the NHL. They’re 18th in shots per game, at 30.2. And these numbers have been trending in the wrong direction through the last few weeks.

There’s help on the way. Alexei Emelin is expected to be back in the lineup when the Canadiens play host to the Rangers on Saturday, and that will likely create a pressbox seat for Francis Bouillon, who is a team worst minus-9 while playing a ridiculous 17 minutes per game.

Of course, Michel Therrien – who was Frankie Boo’s junior coach in Granby – may decide Emelin’s return means a pressbox seat for Douglas Murray. The latter, however, is a hitter, a shot-blocker and a Gillesque asset on the penalty-kill.

The player whose return can’t come soon enough is Brandon Prust. His absence was particularly noteworthy on a night when, from the opening puck drop, Tampa Bay’s compete level exceeded that of the passive, soporific home side.

“We created some offence in the third period because we played with some urgency,” Therrien said. “But I am not impressed.”

Nor was the customary sellout crowd. Boos rained down from the upper reaches of the stands during numerous sequences when the visiting team dominated puck possession.

Credit to Tampa Bay coach Jon Cooper for rallying his troops in the wake of Stamkos’s injury. The Lightning wanted this W more than the home team, which generated little offence, other than Subban’s lasers, and did not exert much in the way of aggressive forechecking.

Trailing 1-0 in the third period – and with fans growing restive – the Canadiens played a 1-2-2 formation better suited to lead protection. I’ll leave it to Chris and the other Commentariat Coaches to explain that.

The EGG line had its moments, particularly late in the third period when Brendan Gallagher and Alex Galchenyuk began crashing the net. Ben Bishop had a quiet evening to that point. The Canadiens forced the giant goaltender into quick lateral moves maybe three times all night long, while Price was sliding miles to cope with Lightning shots coming from every direction.

The Canadiens are clinging to an Eastern Conference wild-card playoff spot despite losing five of the six games they’ve played in November. The rest of this month’s schedule includes three sets of back-to-backs – including two visits to Washington and Bell Centre dates with the Rangers, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

It doesn’t get any easier.

And the goaltender can’t play any better. 

• 45 shots was the most Price has faced since the Hurricanes had 44 last March 7 in Carolina. He stopped 42 of them and the Canadiens won 4-2.

• Great stat tweeted by Cam Charron: With P.K. Subban on the ice tonight against Tampa, Montreal out-shot the Lightning. 17-11. When he was off, it was 24-3 for Tampa Bay.

 

 

478 Comments

  1. Mr. Biter says:

    Has anyone gone to a Habs practice and seen if they spend any time on “Shoot Out ” practice? We’re 0-6 in last 2 SO losses, which is unacceptable that no one can score in the Shoot outs.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  2. boing007 says:

    Tony Marinaro playing a new song praising PK: ‘Why not PK’? Based on Village People’s ‘YMCA’.

    Richard R

  3. Max_a_million says:

    Is it me or are we playing a lot of safe Jacques Martin bar the door and let em shoot the lights out hockey these days. Uggghhh

    Let the kids play, let them make mistakes for goodness sake … I never seen nothing so safe

  4. Ali says:

    From last night:

    With Subban on the ice, Habs outshot the Bolts 17-11

    With Subban on the bench, Bolts outshot the Habs 24-3

    He played 28 minutes. #moresubban

    edit: woops, didn’t see Boone quoted the stat right at the end there. still insane.

    • Max_a_million says:

      That’s an amazing stat … really telling

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      And yet Therrien will continue to use Bouillon in critical situations.

      Bouillon needs to sit: Therrien’s obsession with him is hurting the team, putting him on the powerplay, penalty kill and in all situations when he won’t even do that for his Norris trophy winning defenseman.

      • Bouillon plays the PP because after Subban, Markov and Diaz, we’ve got zero offence at D (Murray and Gorges aren’t better).

        He’s actually pretty solid on the PK too — sound positionally, and knows when to chase and when to stay put. Frankly he’s probably as good as Subban or better in short-handed situations.

        But it’s 5-on-5 that his age really shows. On a good team, he’s a solid 7th D, but no way does he play every game.


        Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

        • knob says:

          Put a forward on the point.

          • I’m probably biased after JM’s and Carbo’s experiments along those lines, but has this ever worked consistently, elsewhere?


            Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

          • knob says:

            Kovalchuk in NJ for sure. I would have to look into other teams. I wonder if Bourque has a decent slap shot?

  5. boing007 says:

    PK is not a stay-at-home defenseman. The first eight games of this season were exciting to watch, win or lose. The last twelve have been ho hum.

    Richard R

  6. scotland says:

    “blocked shots by hal gill took us all the way to semi final in 010…unfourtunately pronger was even better”

    lol…… halak and cams lead leading 13 goals got us to the semis in 010. once halak came back down to earth against flyers gill looked like the big stiff he always was.

    ray fererro “if you are one of the league leaders in blocked shots it means your team spends way too much time in their own zone, thats all”

  7. knob says:

    I hope that MB signs Subban to an 8 mil/year contract and Eller for 4 mil/year. With those kind of contracts MB will have no other choice but to move out under-performing contracts, a move that is long over due.

    With the available roster spots MB will have have an opportunity to add some low cost grit instead of small speedy (so-called) goal scorers. Perhaps next season Beaulieu and Tinordi will also have an opportunity to become full-time players.

    We have too much money tied up on players that are under-performing and guys that are 4th liners, bottom pair dmen, and depth guys.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      well…if that happens what does Markov get? If he gets 4 million than we will have 1 mill left to sign Diaz, Murray…Gio or any scoring help for that matter.

      The cap is not going to be good for the habs next year. Makes the Briere at 4 mill and DD at 3.5 look even worse.

      Briere should have not got so much cash

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Max_a_million says:

        Markov will not take a pay cut. He will get a little more than 5 million for two years

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If Briere does squat all season, his buyout is dirt cheap and he is gone. THere is some special circumstance making his buyout very cheap due to his previous buyout. Someone posted, can’t remember who exactly. So Gionta and Briere can easily be off the books next year.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Even with them off the books Burly we will need to get some scoring.

          the 19 mill didn’t have Gio in it but if you take out Briere that is 4 mill in breathing room but mostly to get guys we have locked up.

          Briere may have to be bought out and DD the same. They just eat up to much space in the cap for their production. I wouldn’t imagine Molson will be very thrilled

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • knob says:

            The point of my post is that I want to see guys like Briere and DD gone, don’t resign Bouillon and Murray; 5mil for Gionta?? We can afford to lose him. To add to my previous post, resign Markov at his current salary for 2-3 years. Diaz can be replaced by Beaulieu.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I want them gone as well but the loss of Gio, Briere and DD we will need some offense put back in. Right now this team really is struggling for offense 5 on 5. Diaz should be traded for an asset at the deadline for a team looking for offense. I wouldn’t mind Murray back at a cheap 1 mill again

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • mrhabby says:

            Briere wil not be bought out guys..come on man.

        • Buying out Briere would create a cap hit of $1.3M. That insurance policy is surely part of the reason MB agreed to sign him to two years.


          Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

          • Kooch7800 says:

            This next year will be an interesting test for MB. He has dropped the ball a couple times already and I am sure another buy out will not sit well with upper management considering we are still short on goal scoring. So it will be the buy out cost as well as picking up another contract to try and help the scoring. What will they do with DD? If he doesn’t bounce back they won’t be able to give him away.

            This team still really needs Markov.

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  8. mrhabby says:

    Given the lastest play of Price since the season started it looks like he will be the teams best player and MVP from now and until the Spring. Its good for the Club and good for his Olympic aspirations. Waite has clearly helped him. MB’s best move to date.

    Forwards/defence have always been a work in progress and with teams up to the cap gives very little opportunity to make trades. I would love to see some tweaks but have no idea with who.

    Keep playing great Price.

    • boing007 says:

      If you pull on a horse’s reins too hard it will buck. That’s what MT is doing to PK. He should be giving him the whip. He’s killing all of PK’s offensive instincts.

      Richard R

  9. adamkennelly says:

    Eller, Galley, Chucky, Plek, Prust, White, Bournival, PK, Markov, Murray, Gorges, Parros, Pax, Price…

    that’s it – those are the guys on the Habs who contribute to their level of expectations – not the best players not the team but the ones I would put in the “keep” bucket for now…

    rest of them are spectators a lot of the time…

    • To be fair, when someone doesn’t contribute to the level that’s expected, sometimes the problem is the contribution (e.g. Cole last year), and sometimes it’s the expectation. I don’t think it was reasonable to expect DD to be a 1st-liner, or to expect a guy like Bouillon to play huge minutes (or even every game). We consistently set people up to fail by giving them unrealistic roles, and then act astounded when they inevitably fall short of the impossible.

      Hard to blame the players for trying unsuccessfully to play up to the roles they were pushed into, but never suited for to begin with.


      Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

  10. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: Our D again. The problem is we’re out of options. We tried Tinordi and Beaulieu. I guess we can shuffle Gorges and Markov or bring up Pateryn.

    It’s a bit like the guy who was asking what was the best town to live in Victoria, Calgary or Edmonton. The only possible answer is can I have some other options?

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    TSNBobMcKenzie: Sounds like Pat LaFontaine is being introduced as BUF’s new president of hockey operations this morning.

  12. Propwash says:

    Briere got his goal by parking in front of the net. Something that some other players should start doing (minus Gallagher)

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yup, would be nice to see Max and Bourque parked there or going to the net the same.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      The Habs didn’t have possession in the zone for any period of time and to get positioned in front you need to be more than shoot in from the center ice positon and have the other team pick it up and start out of their zone…..by in large that was the story last night. They are not very determined as a team….I know some have the answers but really the players need to want to win in their hearts a bit more. Gionta doesn’t need to give post game words…he could send a paper cut out and a tape recorder on repeat…..jeez does he know anything other than “for sure ” “obviously ” “we didn’t compete ” “stopped “skating ”

      We have been listening this this crap for 21 years now…come on and work you lazy players

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      That’s what I like about other teams that have net presence, players are always in front of the opposing goalie or going to the net. Brendan Gallagher does it regularly, most others don’t bother or are afraid to pay a price. I wonder how much of that is on the coach?

  13. scotland says:

    lol. 44 saves and some fans blame price for loss. that game could easily have been 8-1…..10-1 if you count the two great saves price made on josh gorges.

  14. SteverenO says:

    Who else is not impressed?

    Before the game begins I would expect that, at the NHL level, the coach designates the lines and the special team combos:

    For the PP forwards lines you would expect that the coach designate first wave, second wave ,and third wave, (if needed)

    Below is a list of the available forwards for the PP unit and their records with the man advantage so far season:

    player number: PP TOI- Team PPGs – PPGs per minute of ice time/
    PPGs per shift percentage( assuming one min shift average:)
    On the far right is the minutes of PP time played last nite:

    Centers:

    14: 40 MIns- 9 PPGs – 4.50 Mins/PPG — 23% – 1:49
    48: 17 Mins- 3 PPGs – 5.50 Mins/ PPG –18% –1:11
    81: 38 Mins- 4 PPGs – 9.4 Mins/PPG — 11% —3.00

    Wingers:

    49: 10 Mins- 3 PPGs – 3.33 mins/PPG — 30% — ZERO
    67: 20 MIns- 5 PPGs- 4.00 Mins/PPG—- 25%– 3:01 mins
    21: 36 Mins – 7 PPGs – 5.10 Mins/ PPG –19%— 1:58 mins
    27: 47 Mins- 7 PPGs – 6.7- Mins/PPG –15% — 2:59 mins
    17: 37 MIns- 5 PPgs — 7.40 Mins/ PPG –14%– 1:21 mins
    11: 43 Mins- 5 PPGs – 8.5- Mins/PPG — 12% —-2:41 mins

    We are awarded three Power Plays in the first period.
    The first PP began at 5:53 in the 1st period:
    Plekanec’s last shift ended at 3:27, Ellers at 4:29.
    A rested Plekanec and his 23% success rate was given the second wave in favor of a less rested Eller and his 11% success rate. Plekanec gets on as the second wave at 6:56 – at 7:09 (13 seconds later) Markov leaves the ice followed by Subban leaving at 7:18.

    Second PowerPlay begins at 12:40 :
    Plekanec’s last shift ended at 11:11 . Eller’s at 12:08.
    Plekanec ‘s line gets the call- (not because the coach wants him on the first wave, but only because Eller’s line just got off the ice)
    52 seconds in, Plek is called to the bench to be replaced by Eller. Subban stays out for 1:47.With 8 seconds remaining in the PP-Briere takes over for Eller.

    No worries , we get a third powerplay opportunity at 18:01 of the first.Plekanec last shift ended at 16:34, Ellers at 17:50. Therrien desperately want to go with Eller’s line again, but since they just ot off the ice he turns to…………Briere. with Pacioretty and Bourque. 1 minute into the third Power Play at 19:04 the well rested Plekanec (23 %) and Gionta (19%) watch from the bench as the less rested Eller (11%) and Gallagher (12%) finish the PowerPlay.

    So of a total of 6 minutes of PP time – Plekanec’s and Gionta played exactly 1 minute and 18 seconds with our top defense pairing-.
    Eller and Gallagher who have been about half as productive on the PP this season play Eller’s line plays with Subban for 2 minutes and 54 seconds.

    What should be a no brainer,our first wave PowerPlay Unit , who are probably the most effective 5 man PP unit in the NHL play as a unit for 21% of our total PP time. For Plekanec and Gionta with either Bournival, Bourque or Pacioretty on the left wing NOT to play a minimum of 50% of all our PP time with Subban and Markov is a disgrace. If I was the Owner, I would ask the GM to do something about this, immediately. If I was the GM I would sit down and have a talk with the coach. This cannot continue. The job of the coaching staff is to give the team the best chance to win. They are clearly NOT even coming close.

    Plekanec and Gionta are getting purposefully snubbed. Bournival while just a rookie, has excelled on the PP this year, but he, too, is getting snubbed.

    I, for one, am not impressed, in fact I am appalled!

    It may be time to re-activate my youtube channel—–
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Firethehabscoach
    that was last used to promote the firing of Jacques Martin.

    Regards,

    Steve O.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Do you think the sample size is large enough? Also the outcome (goals) is infrequent. Shouldn’t you use another (surrogate) measure of success?

      The other thing is if as owner you asked your GM about the coache’s line choices in one period of one game well you wouldn’t be an owner. Or not a very good one.

      You’d be firing people every few months.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Statistics say firing and rehiring is the answer though. ;-)

      • Ozmodiar says:

        :lol:

        Spot on. I suppose if he were the owner he could choose to not have a coach behind the bench at all.

        A computer model could be used to determine the line combos.

        So…. Pleks could be on the #1 PP unit, the #1 PK unit, and match up against the other teams top lines. 40 minutes a game for Pleks!!

        • SteverenO says:

          @Ozmodiar;;;

          If i were the owner you could be sure that my coaching staff would be well informed as to each players productivity and efficiency in every situation.

          The “computer” work does not need to be done during the game, There is plenty of time to do analytics between games.

          The coach should have designated the line combos prior to the game and would have the right to modify the lines (IF THERE IS A GOOD REASON TO DO SO) .

          Eller is just as effective as Plekanec on the PK but his line is not nearly as effective on the PP.

          Last nite Plekanec played 4 minutes short handed and less than two minutes on the PP. Eller played 2 minutes short handed and 3 minutes on the PP. Had those numbers been reversed, we may have got two points last nite instead of just one…… at least we would have had a better chance,

          Plekanec 53 minutes SH TOI- 5 Goals allowed= AVG- 11 MinsPerGa
          Eller; 26 minutes SH TOI – 1 Goal Allowed AVG- 26 MinsPer GA

          Plekanec 42 Mins PP TOI- 9 Goals scored= AVG- 4.8 MinsPerPPG
          Eller; 40 Mins PP TOI- 4 goals scored =AVG – 10 Mins PerPPG

          We do not suffer when Plekanec is NOT on the PK we do suffer when he is not on the PP.

          Coaching 101; Know your players strengths and weaknesses-

          regards,

          Steve O.

    • I love this stuff, and I always enjoy reading your posts. I share Dipsy’s thought about the sample size, though. There are any number reasons a coach might do this, and he has to be given latitude to make gut-based decisions — if not all the time, then at least on a shift-to-shift and period-to-period basis.

      Also, while I’ve been known to geek out on stats many a time, they’re not a panacea — and with smallish sample sizes especially, they have a hard time accounting for things like a player’s linemates, the quality of the opposition skaters and goalies he faced, the relative effectiveness of the opposing team’s PK style/strengths compared with the Habs’ PP style/strengths, whether a player had a cold or an unreported injury for a while, etc…

      As well, like the mutual fund disclaimer says, past performance is not (necessarily) an indicator of future results. Of course you can’t keep playing an underperforming star forever, in the desperate hope that he snaps out of it — but then again, if you never play him he never will.


      Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

      • SteverenO says:

        @cautious optimist

        Plekanec has centered the PP for 40 shifts (minutes) this season resulting in 9 PP goals. Eller has centered the PP for 38 shifts (minutes) and has resulted in 4 goals.

        Last season Plekanec and Gionta were also the most effective PP producers, by far,on the team. The fact that Therrien considers they EGG line as our top PP line and uses them as the first “wave” is a decision that cannot be supported by any data.

        As I have said before, this is a PowerPlay, not even strength. scoring chances, shots, time of possession, are all meaningless. There is ONLY one stat that counts on the Power Play, and that is GOALS.

        The team scores more often when Plekanec and Gionta are on the PowerPlay-than they do when they are not.

        overall:

        113 minutes PP TOI — 17 PPGs =AVG – One PPG every 6.65 mins

        When Plekanec is on the ice:

        42 minutes PP TOI – 9 PPGs = AVG- one PPG every 4.67 minutes

        When Plekanec is NOT on the ice;

        71 Minutes PP TOI 8 PPGs = AVG -one PPG every 8.87 minutes

        Why can.t Therrien ever make a “gut based” decision to go with Plekanec’s line on the first wave PP?

        Its easy to say the “the PP is second best in the league so you cannot criticize the coach”. The truth is that 15 additional minutes of PP time to Plekanec’s line this season would most likely have meant two or three additional PP Goals, and very possibly a few extra points in the standings. Is it too difficult for the coach to manage to get his best PP unit on the ice for 50% of the PP time?

        The real problem is that the coach does not know which PP line is his best.

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • wjc says:

      Stevereno, You are appalled. Is in discussed, sickened.

      The ‘if’ will always be an ‘if’, because you will never be an owner, you will never be hired by an owner. Maybe to drive the zamony, but even that is unlikely. Clean the place up, sweep etc. possibly, but again unlikely.

      You waste hours of your time calculating all this stuff and take credit for Martin moving on.

      You my friend, give new meaning to the phrase, ‘get a life’. Find things that you can do that are important enough for people to examine your moves.

      wjc

  15. mjames says:

    Notwithstanding the fact that the puck hit Briere in the ass to score the tieing goal, I was not impressed with him last night. I think the game has passed Briere. He is small and not particularly fast. I think we made a real mistake here which will hurt us over the next two years.

    I think Briere has to sit and DD has to play. I was never a big fan of DD but I think he has more jump than Briere. I have watched DD this year. One of his problems is that he refuses to shoot on net. On a number of occasions he has had an opportunity to shoot but choose to find someone to pass to. If he would shoot things might chance for him. MB has more invested in DD. I would try to get Briere to retire with the Canadiens hiring him as roving coach between the Habs and Hamilton.

    I know that might be dreaming but MB has $6mm or 10% of his cap space tied up in these two guys. MT cannot play both guys as it will weaken the team.

    mjames

  16. jamman says:

    And many on this site think Price is NOT the most improved. *shakes head*

    CAARREY! CAARREY! CAARREY!

  17. DipsyDoodler says:

    I was calling for Filppula to be signed this summer. Always liked him, plus he’s a Finn – how can you go wrong? The thing is he cost a lot when you consider he was 3rd liner for the Wings and was coming off a subpar season. But he was behind Datsyuk and Franzen, which is why he was the 3rd C.

    I don’t want to be one of those guys but our free agent signings last summer were just incredibly bad.

    • doc359 says:

      I’d take him over Briere for sure, but a 5 year contract, probably not. I want the center spot cleared out for Eller and Galchenyuk by 2015.

    • Eddie says:

      Briere was also coming off a sub par season was he not?

      It goes beyond the free agent signings, back to the Desharnais and Bouillon signings as well.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        I disagree with the narrative you are alluding to. DD was signed because he had a 60 point season. It was sign him or let him walk for nothing. He got the going rate. He wasn’t signed for the reasons you imply. That he lost it completely afterwards is unfortunate but it happens.

        Bouillon was also fine last year. It wasn’t necessarily wrong to resign a serviceable #6 Dman when you knew that your youngsters weren’t ready yet. Again he is not doing the job this year but that’s the way it goes.

        The narrative (“the team makes player personnel decisions based on ethnicity”) is simply not compatible with the facts. Just ask Louis Leblanc’s girlfriend.

  18. Sportfan says:

    Ben Bishop is 6’7 he’s massive, although we did need to take a lot more shots last night, his frame is hard to score on, he’s also having a great year. Also the Sens are stupid for trading him away.

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    • showey47 says:

      I kept thinking to myself,why don’t our players try to go 5 hole on bishop during the shootout? The guy is 6’7″,very tall,long legs, bigger 5 hole. I knew this team was in trouble going into the shootout last night. They lack a pure goal scorer.

      • doc359 says:

        I wouldn’t worry about the shoot-out to determine how good our team is.

        • showey47 says:

          I don’t use it a measuring stick about how good the team is but unfortunately the skills competition is part of the game and we lack the players to excel in it. I would rather see a 3 on 3 for another 5 mins. Hockey is and will always be a team game and the results of it should be decided as a team.

    • jamman says:

      Yup. I predict the Bishop for Conacher trade will go down as one of Brian Murray’s biggest screw ups.

  19. jrshabs1 says:

    Price didn’t steal the win but he did steal the point. There are 6 expendable forwards on this team who fill roster spots only.
    Work the phones MB.

    Go Habs Go!!

  20. mdp2011 says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 56s
    As others have reported, BUF announcement is to introduce new president of hockey operations to oversee all hockey aspects of organization.

    Please don’t let it be Rick Dudley.

  21. mjames says:

    TB is a strange, unlike the Habs they seem to be an all or nothing team. The Canadiens, aside from that one year where they finished last, is usually playing for for a playoff spot. TB on the other is either a top tier team or playing for the #1 draft choice. If you look at their record over that past five – seven years. They make a Cup run one year and then fall back for a year or two in order to draft a top five draft choice. It sure looks like they tank almost every other year. For instance last year they had the #3 draft choice.

    mjames

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    On the bright side, Ottawa lost, Rangers lost, and Detroit only picked up a point.

  23. Sportfan says:

    Anyone got a link for the Habs prospects and how they are doing?

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  24. SmartDog says:

    Our top 5 + players in order:
    Markov
    Bournival
    Plekanec
    Prust
    Subban

    +/- alone can’t say everything. But this is no coincidence … no flies on these guys.

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  25. PADPZ says:

    Dump
    ”Chase”

    Repeat.

    • FlyAngler says:

      A big problem. Eliott Friedman on HNIC radio recently cited a study done by geeks at MIT that determined that dumping the puck in the attacking zone rather than carrying it in or passing it to a teammate is ten times or more less likely to produce a goal. It might be fine if you have a 2 goal lead, but if the score is tied or you are down you are playing right into the oppositions hands. Just plain dumb hockey unless you have a supercharged forecheck that is constantly producing great scoring chances off of turnovers……….

      “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

      • Luke says:

        I’ve never understood why people (“knowledgeable” hockey people) think the best way to play is the game is by giving the puck away and hoping you get it back.

        • FlyAngler says:

          Me neither Luke. The old Soviet Army teams used to put on puck possession and passing clinics, sometimes maintaining possession of the puck for minutes at a time and not infrequently ending the possession by depositing the puck in the net. Of course that sort of thing requires discipline which is not a very popular concept in western culture today……

          “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

        • DAVE. N says:

          Agreed.. in the Habs case, it’s pretty simple : We are small forwards, they are big Defensemen., They won’t let us in while skating, so we dump and chase .
          Habs coaching 101 this season, I’m afraid.

        • wjc says:

          You dump it in their zone, you forecheck by taking the man the second guy picks up the puck…in theory.

          You carry the puck and gain the blue line, but if you carry the puck and get checked you have to regain the puck.

          A little of ‘yin’ and little of ‘yan’. Sometimes works, sometime not, just like life. It is like saying why don’t students always get a 100%, is it because they don’t care, are not capable of it, or it is unrealistic to expect it?

          What works sometimes does not work sometimes. You have to adjust. Some defences on some nights are vulnerable to an aggressive forecheck.

          wjc

      • donmarco says:

        There is, however, a flaw in the analysis. Teams who are changing “on the fly” will often dump the puck in to allow for quick line changes. You’re not, in that case, trying to create a scoring opportunity, just one to allow for fresh legs. And the dump and chase method can also be compared to a grinding style of football in that, over the course of the game, the constant pressuring of the defense can lead to fatigue and turnovers late in the game. Also, when carrying the puck into the zone, if its turned over there is a higher liklihood of allowing a quick break out to the other team leading to a possible 2 on 1, or 3 on 2.

        i think it’s a highly misleading stat.

  26. Luke says:

    Morning folks!

    Great game by Price. Wish the rest of the squad was up for it too.

    Sadly (or perhaps not so sadly) my recording stopped right at the end of OT.

    RE: PKs shot totals.

    I think our forwards aren’t shooting enough. They seem to be looking for an extra sweet passing play across the lip of the crease, or they just hang on to the puck too long on the rush and end up behind the net, or along the wall, with the puck in a harmless position. The only play is back to the D and when they have it the one or two forwards are still low against the wall, and the third is higher supporting the D. No one is making it to the front of the net by the time D has to move or shoot the puck.

    Solution: More pucks from everywhere. Less holding on to it.
    Looking at a true goal scorer like Kessel or Stamkos, those guys just whip the puck at the net from and angles, bad shooting positions and at odd times. That unpredictability allows for quite a few scoring chances and goals.

    A bonafide Goalscorer had become the team’s premiere need now.
    We’ve got a great goalie. We’ve got two great Defensemen. We’ve got offensive centres with size. Next step is a natural goalscorer.
    Tough to find… easier I reckon than the centre with size though.

  27. scotland says:

    “shoot the puck” my grandmother could have stopped those feeble shoot out attempt by the habs. ya want to use the shoot out to get a real read on a the habs goalie……….how about using it to get a read on the habs shooters.

    habs will miss the play offs this season….and i will not be because of goaltending.

    interesting stat…….with pk on the ice habs out shot lightning 17-11………with out pk on ice habs out shot by lightning 24-3

    habs have the kid line, markov and subban……when the other 15 players are out there …..pathetic.

    habs have blocked most shots in league …ha! oilers are second. worst teams in league always lead in shot blocking. its not a good sign

    • chemic says:

      Hall Gill and Josh Gorges blocked us all the way ino the ECF 2010……but sadly a guy named Chris Pronger did a way better job in this departement. lets just say you are somehow rong with that.

  28. FlyAngler says:

    I am glad that DD sat last night, but of course as fate would have it, both games that he has sat have gone to a shootout, and if I am not mistaken, DD has the highest scoring percentage for shootouts on the team. Obviously, you can’t play a guy just to have him for the shootout, but it does make you wonder about kharma and bad juju. Hopefully, the return of Emelin and Prust will turn things around a bit.

    BTW- I thought that Briere looked good last night and if he continues crashing the net, he could be a big help, especially on the PP as he still has great hands.

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  29. Steeltown Hab says:

    I guess the writing is on the wall and Diaz is getting re-signed. Has MB not learned to hold back on giving early extensions to very mediocre players? (Bouillon, DD, Drewiskie).

    Like realistically there won’t be a line up of teams waiting for Diaz at UFA. Add in Beaulieu better offensive Dman now, Pateryn a way more complete RH Dman…what is the rationale?

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  30. donmarco says:

    The Lightning who impressed me the most last night didn’t even play. That would be Jon Cooper. He had his team prepared and ready to play despite the devastating setback of losing Stamkos. I know this is a very Habs-centric site, but there is always another team on the ice and in the case of Tampa they showed that they may be more than a one trick pony. Every time a Habs player had the puck there was a Lightning player on him immediately, preventing them from breaking out and using their speed. This was a well coached team who played a near perfect road game. Habs have some work to do.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I posted yesterday, that a team when losing its star or stud often come out the next game or two with an incredible motivated rah rah for the team play. I look for Tampa to play another game or so with incredible passion and everyone on the same page. Eventually the loss of Stamkos I think will be too much, but last night they were a highly motivated and well coached team.

      • habstrinifan says:

        You were spot on. The shots at one point were 32-17 in their favour.

        I like their coach too.. but then I like everybody’s coach bt ours.

        Ok cheap shot.

        I really dont like Vigneault or Torts or …

        And I hate to say it I kinda find it hard to dislike (cough cough cough) the Leafs head coach handling of his team. He is a real merit coach it looks like. Although he is one Big A-hole.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          There are things about Carlyle I don’t like, for example, his use of staged fighting in games. However, he is an excellent coach, and probably one of the best at showing no favouritism with players.

          The Leafs are a much better team with Kitty coaching that team.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Hard to argue with a guy that has a Cup ring as a coach and a Norris trophy (1981) as a player

          • Luke says:

            Using staged fights (and other sketchy tactics) and then acting innocent and pure when it happens to him is what grinds me about Carlyle.

      • donmarco says:

        I posted pretty much the same thing, Burli. Over the long haul they’re in trouble, and they’ve lost Salo now as well.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Well said!

  31. Mattyleg says:

    Ah, it’s a sad world when we lose in a shootout.

    We got the point, who cares, let’s move on.

    We didn’t deserve the point? BS. We stopped them from scoring, and we scored. There are no half-goals for fortuitous deflections.

    People (Boone) have complained about our defence. We have the 4th fewest goals against per game, and it’s not just the goaltending. Stop complaining about our defence. That’s not the issue.

    The issue is our attack. Certain posters are saying that our coach has stopped us from playing the ‘exuberant’ and ‘exciting’ style we were playing at the beginning of the year.

    I have news for these people:
    That style comes from 3 things:
    1) An unprepared opposition defence – it’s easy to be more attacking and free-flowing against a disorganized early-season defence
    b) Young players being in better physical condition at the beginning of the season compared to vets who take a bit longer to get into the rhythm.
    iii) We sustained so many injuries (we have the most lost man-games in the NHL – and these aren’t 4th liners, they are key ingredients) that we had to play a more defensive/shutdown game in order to get points, which we did. The fact that we are ranked where we are, despite the crucial pieces that we lost early on looks very, very good on our coaching staff.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • ShootThePuck says:

      I like that.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Agreed Matty. Posted the same thing yesterday. With TU-74 coming back I would like to see the Cube rest awhile and Diaz paired with Murray. Prust will also make a big difference up front. How is that new little one of yours doing?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I have to slightly disagree. I think our D, with the exception of PK and Markov, is the main reason we can’t generate offence at 5 on 5. They cannot start the attack; they cannot clear the zone or make that rapid accurate first pass; they can’t pinch very well either. This is why we have essentially no shots on goal when Gorges, Bouillon, and Murray are on the ice.

      How often last night did our D have the puck in their zone under no or little pressure, and rather than move it up the ice quickly they turn it over, leading to prolonged time in our end so that when we finally get it out its time for a shift change.

      It was striking how good Tampa’s D were at this – essentially tilting the ice towards our end.

    • Cal says:

      It’s simple, Matty. Most of the Habs’ forwards don’t go to the net.
      I spent some time watching the NHL highlights of the other games. Why is it that when most goals come from within 5 feet of the net, Habs players just ain’t there? (Aside from Gallagher and in the 3rd period last night his linemates). Brière goes to the net and scores.
      Too many wussy forwards not paying the price to score on the Habs right now.

  32. Sportfan says:

    I really hope its the Cube who gets taken out of the line up and not Murray. It would be really sad on MT part and if he needs someone on the second PP unit let Emelin do it.

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  33. ShootThePuck says:

    As close as Carey came to steeling a game, which I’ve yet to truly see him do, although the entire city of Montreal would give him the first star every night, he still couldn’t do it. The true value of a great goalie should be determined by his record in the shootout. There are no teammates involved, no defensemen to blame, just himself. Well he’s 2 stops, 2 goals in 4 tries. Far from being great. In the meantime Bishop is 6 stops, 0 goal in 6 tries. That’s why he beat Price. The 2 goals were scored high on Price, most goals are. He’s on his knees constantly, never stands up, never slides with stacked up pads a la Brodeur, he is strictly one dimensional. I agree he stole a point, but he didn’t steel the game.

      • Chuck says:

        Yup… if Carey doesn’t stand on his head through the game and overtime, it doesn’t even get to a shootout. ShootThePuck is WAAAAYYYYY off the mark here.

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    • Ton says:

      please we don’t need this now……..he’s a great goalie playing on a very mediocore team and in the toughest market to play in…….ask yourself how many teams in the NHL would love to have Carey! Many is the answer.

    • doc359 says:

      “The true value of a great goalie should be determined by his record in the shootout. ”

      You should seriously re-evaluate your thoughts on hockey.

      • ShootThePuck says:

        Shootouts, one on one, breakaways, that’s where you see if a goalie is great or not. Of course I’ll keep Carey, there isn’t a better one out there for us. I want him to steel a game, many games. I must say this is as close as I have seen him do it.

    • PADPZ says:

      Ha! I knew this one was coming…
      He let in 1 goal in the shootout.

    • Ace says:

      That’s maybe the worst, most poorly informed comment I’ve seen on this site. Regurgitated blah blah from a PJ Stock devotee. Yup, blame the goalie in a 44 save performance where his team is absolutely unable to generate any real scoring chances. Uninformed Habs fans have blamed Plante, Durnhan, Dryden, Roy and now Price. Comments like that won’t earn any Mensa invites.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Put another way, you don’t win a shoot out when your team does not score

    • jimmy shaker says:

      Great point rescued by Price, he’s been by far the best player on the ice for the habs this year. He’s earning every penny of his 6.5 mill per and closing the door on many of his naysayers. His stats and play on the ice are lending to him finally stepping up and meeting all of his expectations and “throughbredness”. Like I’ve said before, the 1 on 1 breakaway is Carey’s kryptonite. You can see last night that he get’s real low in his stance, and moves/falls for most of the shooter’s movements/dekes. Where as on the other end Bishop, was cool and stable, not moving the slightest for any of the habs dekes. I have faith in Carey, and think Waite will help him in this area and once he does, he’ll be number 1 in the league for a long time! But the team does need to score, carey can’t save the puck and score too!

      Shaker out!

      • ShootThePuck says:

        ” You can see last night that he get’s real low in his stance, and moves/falls for most of the shooter’s movements/dekes.”
        Great observation. I think Waite has taught him a lot this year, Carey has stopped sliding endlessly from side to side and has stayed more between the pipes. Now I hope Waite gets him better on the 1 on 1. I know he has great raw talent, but he has had a lot to learn to become great. Hopefully he gets there. That’s the only way, we can win a cup in Montreal.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      OMG….look at his stats. The guy’s been the Habs’ MVP this season.
      If you don’t like the guy, just say so, but don’t diminish how amazing he’s been this year for your own satisfaction.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • habitual says:

      It’s a lousy way to start my morning reading such bilge water as this post. Price stood on his head despite a horrible performance in front of him. What eludes you in your ill considered opinion is that Price stops shots, he doesn’t take them. Why is it his fault no one on the Habs scored on Bishop. Never mind answering, I’ve tired of your post already.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Stick to your comic books if you want superheroes. “The true value of a great goalie should be determined by his record the shootout”??? Now I’ve read everything here. Lol. Unreal!! The true value of any TEAM is never determined by one player.

    • DAVE. N says:

      yup…all team games should be settled by one on one play. Price played an exceptional game, and kept his team in it for 60 minutes. This is the wrong person to blame. Blame the other guys on the ice for not scoring in regulation. Priorities…….

  34. New says:

    I think last night we saw a 13-5 team play a 9-10 team.

    • JM says:

      STP – That’s a bunch of bull – The shoot out is a skills contest and the lucky one wins – Lucky goal – Lucky save what ever you want to call it. something like that is for pond hockey not the NHL and I’m sure a lot of people on here would agree …

  35. Habitforming says:

    In reading some of the posts here about needing a trade and what type of players the management should bring in etc I can’t help but agree with it.

    However, brining in certain types of players to compete with the elite teams doesn’t translate into success.

    Let’s assume MB was able to pull of some EA sports types of trades and now the Habs have Simmonds, Dustin Brown, and David Backes (just using these 3 as the type most feel we need) and we are now free of DD, Gionta and Briere (the smallest of the forwards…. great trades huh? lol) The robbery of the trades aside, you need a certain type of coach to utilize the players like those. You can’t have Backes and Simmonds playing on the perimeter for the PK, and there has to be an aggresive net pressence to be able to utilize all three of them. Something the Habs just don’t do.

    Contrary to what most think, the player doesn’t play “his game” every night or shift, they play the coaches system with the abilities they have. Therrien seems to have been able to keep the habs competitive most nights (since his tenure, overall) with his system for a small fast team, but I don’t think he is the type of coach, or has a system in mind, for a team with the added players of that type.

    When the time (and size) comes for the habs, the coach will have to be replaced with one that can utilize that type of player, like Ruff, Hitchcock, Todd McLellan etc. Right now it seems like MB is just trying to supply more of the same for Therrien with as much of a skill upgrade as he can find …..like the Briere signing.

    Not as clear as it is in my head, but I’m overtired and short on time this am.

    • ShootThePuck says:

      To get those types of players, you don’t get them in a trade. No one will take in return small players for their big players. You get them in the draft. The lower you draft the better bigger players you get. The Canadiens persist in wanting to finish in the middle of the pack. They need to finish last a couple of times, get their high picks and then supplement with trades, free agents, farm system.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Another point about the trade “solution” to what ails a team. One of the major reasons there are very few trades at this point in the season is because of cap space. Ten teams right now basically have no space while the next ten have less than a mil.

      The teams that want to trade don’t have the cap space while most of the teams with cap space don’t want to trade or can’t find trading partners.

    • JM says:

      Injury prone players play not to get hit if possible.

  36. rhino514 says:

    I cannot explain, and I don´t think anyone can explain, the power outage for the last 6 or 7 games, compared to how easy it was to score at the beginning of the season.
    You can nitpick about DD or Max Pac, but the truth is, it´s a generalized slowdown. Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting evryone.
    I just think the team has too much offensive depth for the offensive slump to last.
    The only variable I see as curious is the loss of Prust just about coinciding (albeit slightly delayed) with the recent slump.
    You have to wonder if his value to the team is waaay beyond stats.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      It may also have something to do with not knowing who you are playing with from 1 game to the next plus all the other shuffling due to injuries.
      Familiarity is half the battle.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hey M R

        I agree the injuries and shuffling has something to do with it, however, I did try to watch certain players last night to a analyse their play I particularly watched Patches. Something is up with him. He was constantly over playing opponents and putting himself out of position, and he was skating around with one hand on his stick most of the night. It threw him of balance when he went to throw checks and he was ineffective. He wasn’t using his speed or driving the net.
        Either he is in a funk or is still hurting. I would like to see him get going or sit until he is 100%.

        The Kid line shouldn’t be expected to carry the offence, the vets need to step it up and MT needs to adapt his system to fit his players better until MB can bring in some harder players to play against. Just my opinion. Love the stat that was posted showing the shots for and against when PK was on!

        Habfan17

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          hi 17

          Interesting stat is that since Max is back and Bournival moved off the line, the Habs are 1-4-0.
          Max has only 1 assist in those 5 games and is Minus -2 playing 20-21 minutes with 1 game exception where he played almost 19 minutes. Hmm….

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            Also did you notice how much better Plex/Gio were in the 3rd when they were reunited with Bourni?

            Then again Patches set up the tying goal.

    • Ace says:

      It’s real easy to explain, Habs do not have any pure goal scorers. They have zero finish around the net and opposition goalies get to see 99% of the few shots they throw at the net. Habs biggest scoring threat is a defenceman who lives in the coaches dog house…that pretty much covers what’s wrong.

  37. Phil C says:

    The score flattered the Habs last night (Thank you Carey), Tampa was the much better team. Tampa plays the way I wish the Habs did, with great puck movement and mobility, tape-to tape passes, keeping lots of speed all over the ice.

    In contrast, the Habs were flat-footed a lot. Instead of making good passes, they would “hot potato” the puck at random, resulting in turnovers or icings. I think they have actually regressed with their puck control since the beginning of last season. The only line to make some good tape-to-tape passes was the EGG line. Gallagher finally made a good pass about half way through the first and like magic, it resulted in a mini two-on-one. Everyone else seems to be playing with fear, like they are afraid to make a mistake, so there is no execution. Very poor puck support on the breakout as well.

    Therrien should play lots of video of that game and let them watch how Tampa managed the puck. It would have been enjoyable to watch from a pure hockey perspective if they weren’t making my Habs look like the Washington Generals.

  38. SmartDog says:

    5 THOUGHTS

    1. PK POWER. That stat above – PK being on the ice for the vast majority of our shots – says what you see when PK plays. Hopefully Yzerman has better vision than Therrien. But I’m not counting on it.

    2. WHO FOR WHAT? The GMs are meeting and talking of course… and if you’re Bergevin looking for a trade, aside from dumping most of our bottom six (please!), what VALUABLE player would you trade if you had reason? For me it would be Patches. Love the guy, but I have this feeling his worth is sinking. You might get a guy in return who hasn’t scored 30+ goals but is 20+ and either net crashes (like Patches used to do more of) or has the kind of finesse this team is being built on (PK, Eller, Galchenyuk, etc.)

    3. PRICER STOP DA PUCK. With a save % of .933 Price has found his zone. Despite some issues (depth scoring – cough), if they can fix a few things in front, we have a playoff team.

    4. STILL LEARNING? Subban had 6 of our 13 shots in the first two periods and was on the ice for all but 3 of our shots in the game. Gionta says that the team “didn’t have much” until Therrien told them to start crashing the net. Aside from Subban, Price, and Gallagher, when does this team take off the training wheels?

    5. NO MORE BULL. Bouillon is showing his age. If he doesn’t sit for Emelin, we’ll know that the “homer” effect is what’s holding this team back. He’s the team minus leader, and Murray is helping our PK as well as punishing guys – things we need.

    SD

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    • Habfan17 says:

      The question that begs answering by the players, why did MT have to tell them to stat crashing the net?

      At some point, these veteran leaders that are presumably so valuable and shouldn’t be traded, should be dong their jobs and using that experience to produce points and win some games. The kid line should not be carrying the offence! Their production should be a bonus at this point!
      Habfan17

  39. NoTinFoilCups says:

    That’s an amazing shots for/against stat with P.K. I hope his agent doesn’t read here. If we can sign him for anything under 8 per I’ll be amazed.

  40. HabinBurlington says:

    Seems pretty obvious what the answer is this morning….. Vern Fiddler!

    The veteran centerman on Dallas is asking for a trade, DD for Fiddler. We get an expiring contract, Dallas gets to re-unite DD with Cole.

    The world would be a better place after this trade.

    :)

    • Habsrule1 says:

      How about DD for Ryan Malone?
      Fine, we can throw in Diaz if we have to….?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  41. adamkennelly says:

    I noticed once again that MT is terrible at managing the players and ice time during the game.

    also – picking those 3 for the shoot-out? are you nuts?

    you go first and your best shooter shoots second.

    Suban, Markov and Chucky next time there Michel.

    • Ktowner says:

      Agreed. It has been one of the major problems with this team this season. I have no doubt that practices are great but the thing that separates the consistently successful coaches from the rest at this level is bench management and the ability to read what is happening at any given time during a game and make the necessary adjustments. MT has failed in those two regards.
      A real pity because as I stated before, Cary Price is having a career year and without him this team would rival Florida.

  42. Max says:

    Getting a top flight goal scorer on this roster would really open up the top six and make them much more dangerous.The problem is that such players are hard to acquire and don’t come cheap.

    Vanek would’ve been an option, but the price would be steep for a guy who may only be here for the rest of the season.Yakupov has the potential, but the habs would have to give up a ton for a player with questionable work ethic and one who hasn’t proven anything at this early stage in his career.

  43. Maritime Ronn says:

    Price was outstanding last night and it was unfortunate that he didn’t get the win.

    Sometimes stuff like that happens.
    Look at a few games of Tuukka Rask, arguably the best goalie in the NHL so far this year with a .948 SP and 1.52 GAA to go along with a 10-4-1 record.
    In 2 of those losses, Rask posted a .966SP and a .944SP.

    Those numbers are usually good for a win, yet they ended up being losses – 1 outright, and 1 in a shootout.

  44. Marcusman says:

    I’ll tell you one thing that’s not two things..#6 Murray played a great game last night. He didn’t look slow, he hit people, he fired a couple of great shots, pinched when he had to.

    I think it may be time that Frankie goes to Hollywood and ……..doesn’t come back.

  45. Max says:

    Price was exceptional last night but he was never great in “shootouts”.Good shootout goalies are usually more instinctive/reactionary goalies whereas Price is a technical guy.

    Pete Budaj is a good shootout guy and would it make sense to to toss him into shootouts from now on? It’s an awful gimmick anyway and with the habs lack of natural scorers,they won’t win many of those.It was still a 1-1- tie in my mind.

  46. Cal says:

    It’s tough to win when only the goalie shows up to play.
    You’d think some of the brighter lights on the team would step up a bit.
    Not showing up for 50 minutes is unacceptable. The only reason it wasn’t 4 or 5 to 1 was Price.
    The Habs are giveaway machines in their own end, giving teams 2 to 3 times more chances to score than they deserve. Can no one lob it to center or the other team’s blue line to clear the bleeping zone? Pathetic.

  47. wjc says:

    The problem last night was ‘in my opinion’ that Tampa got the first goal on a broken play deflection. They then played a perfect road game, not trying to add to their lead unless they forced a mistake.

    If Canadiens could have gotten the first goal, Tampa would have been forced to open it up a bit more.

    Canadiens had to take chances as the game progressed and rely on Price to keep it at one goal.

    Bishop played well and the Canadiens were not handling the puck well for some reason, the puck seemed to miss, jump or allude sticks on passes.

    The egg line was checked into the ground and the rest are still trying to find a good combination that is a threat as well.

    Prust and Emilen were missed, for grit and to take some of the burdon off defensemen that are more comfortable with less minutes.

    All in all a hard game to watch, but they did tie it up and maybe now Briere will get going and make another line dangerous.

    We will see how this all plays out, the saga continues.

    wjc

  48. Eddie says:

    Valterri Filppula is a terrific hockey player. He plays like a hybrid of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
    His puck control is excellent. His commitment to backcheck, offensive positioning and instincts, really something.
    He doesn’t rush his game or panic. Very patient and very aware of where he is and where everyone is on the ice.

    Galchenyuk should watch the tape of last nights game. He has many of the same skills but much to learn.

  49. JM says:

    make all the excuses you want. The better team won. The only player that out-worked Tampa Bay last night was PRICE …

    • Ton says:

      your right……tampa has an interesting history..win the cup……tank………competitive……..tank……..semi finals……tank………..quite interesting! But they have made some good moves as well………..quite frankly I don’t know what were doing! We do have a large (BIG) management team

    • wjc says:

      You call them ‘excuses’ I call them ‘reasons.

      Price was starting to look a lot like ‘Roy’ last night.

      The reason Montreal won the Stanley cup in 1993 is because of Roy

      Now maybe Price will be the reason they win the next cup.

      Remember Roy was not always ‘Roy’ he was just another goaly trying to prove himself. The same with Brodeur.

      Roy played lights out in 1986 and was able to win and create a legacy early, but it took about 7 years for lightning to strike again.

      Price is starting to build his own legacy one game at a time. This could be the start, who knows, lets wait and see.

      Canadiens are building something and it is not necessarily a straight up ride, there will be bumps and disappointments along the way.

      Last year Galchenuk, and Gallagher, this year Bournavil, on the horizon Tinordi, Bileau, Pateryn, maybe Lablanc, the big kid in Kingston forget his name and a few others moving steadily upwards.

      Suban already flourishing, this will take some more time but it is slowly evolving into something pretty darn good.

      wjc

    • PADPZ says:

      I thought Gallagher – Eller – Galcheniuk and Bournival worked their asses off
      But there is so much you can do when you play a game of dump and chase, without the chasing part.

  50. Ton says:

    Couple of points regarding last nights game!>

    Price played great……not only this game but he has had a great start to this season……..MVP for us no doubt. Forget Halak he’s gone!

    As for the fans that boo! We must understand the effort is there but the machinery to compete with large teams is not! We cannot sustain a forecheck because we are too small and certain players lack toughness and heart. Its become very evident we cannot compete with many teams in the league primarily for one reason! Teams are bigger and just as fast as us! Deadly formula!

    One of the poster posted yesterday that it is beyond him why we are not playing Tinordi and Beaulieu………why why why…..give them the experience rather than playing Murray and Boulion. Let them make mistakes but break them in now!

    Yesterday I posted that we have some trading assets and although I am opposed to making a trade for the sake of making a trade…this team needs it………we need to get bigger, stronger, and agressive! I think we have some players that do not want to play in Montreal!

    Patch comments on DD. I say ship them both out! Yeah he is a great guy, great teammate, team player, etc etc etc……..but one point this season! Maybe its time to pull the trigger on both of them……Patch is tall and soft and personally not the same player after the Charra hit…….if he is valued around the league lets do it now! As for the mayor> please Montreal is tough enough of a market to play in……..its proven> we lost many stars over the years and many players did not want to come and play in Montreal! Why we ask ourselves! Politics has no place in Hockey!

  51. careysubban3176 says:

    If I’m Carey Price, I would go straight to Bergevin’s office and demand him to get me a PROVEN 40 goal scorer or I’m outta here. That was pathetic by the Habs players in front of Price. Can’t score more than one goal for your goalie who played the game of his life. PATHETIC!

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

    • Max says:

      The problem with that is 40 goal scorers become 10 goal third liners when they make it to Montreal and our 3rd line 10 goalers become 40 goal scorers when they are traded. Montreal since the early/mid 90s is where offense goes to die.

      • otisfxu says:

        I have said that for years – not sure why – no matter who the coach is, there must be some unwritten philosophy/strategy that permeates through the hallowed halls that does not players to freewheel with a CH jersey on.. Hell look at PK, trying to keep him under wraps too.

        • Max says:

          That’s what I was thinking.I believe it must come form upper management and is beyond the coach’s control.You must play two way defensive hockey and not try to put on too much of a show and display flair or offensive prowess at any cost.It would be a disrespect to the team!

    • Cal says:

      Yeah, those guys grow on trees.
      And, yes, Price needs to be better in shootouts.

      • Ktowner says:

        I’m afraid that when language becomes the number one qualification for a coach you get second rate candidates.
        Sorry if I offend anyone but come on, this is an international, professional game.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Cause 40 goal scorers grow on trees?

      My guess is Carey has a bit more of a clue than that.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  52. port elgin says:

    Regarding the shootout.

    Definition of insanity by Al. Einstein. Doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.

    Shuffle the deck Therrien.!

  53. 24 Cups says:

    I’ve noticed over the past few weeks that most of the blame for Hab losses has been placed on Therrien. I wonder if that’s just the tried and true HI/O tradition of trying to find an easy scapegoat.

    In the past nine games the Habs have gone 3-6 while scoring 16 goals in 9 games. In the 9 games before that, they tallied 30 goals which gave them a 6-3 record. An examination of the top 16 playoff teams shows that Montreal has the second lowest pro-rated number of goals scored (49) next to Detroit (47). All things considered, it appears that Montreal’s recent nosedive can be attributed to a lack of firepower.

    As we all know, Montreal doesn’t really have any star forwards. In fact, the team doesn’t have one scorer in the NHL’s top 60 (the exception being Subban). The past few years the team has been built on the notion of scoring by committee – instead of having one powerhouse line they try and balance out the scoring along three units.

    MaxPac/Pleks/Gionta – Gionta has always been a streaky scorer. That’s something fans just have to accept. Pleks is far from being a sniper but in many ways I consider him to be one of Montreal’s top five players so far this year. If he only had more finish and polish to his shot making! MaxPac is coming off an injury but I’m not sure he totally fits in on this line. I sometimes worry that maybe he isn’t quite as good as we all “wish him” to be. Regardless of the circumstance, the fact that he only has two goals has made a huge dent in the team’s scoring.

    EGG Line – These three players have a combined total of six years NHL experience. They tend to run a bit hot and cold when it comes to scoring but the fact that Therrien believes in them speaks volumes. I seriously doubt that Martin would have given them as much ice time. Both Eller and Galchenyuk need to shoot the puck more.

    Bournival/DD/Briere/Bourque – Bourque is a bit like Gionta in that his scoring runs very hot and cold. He’s a feast or famine type player. Bournival is a real plus with his five goals. Back in the day there always was some young talent ready to surprise and make his mark with the team right out of training camp. It looks like the headmaster was ahead of the curve when it comes to Bournival. In fairness to Briere, he has been injured but I still feel this waste of 7.5M in cap space is totally on MB. It’s basically a sinkhole that sucks the life out of the team’s overall offensive (and defensive) balance.

    4th Line – Montreal doesn’t really have a 4th line right now. They haven’t had one all year long. The role and expectations are obviously different for a line such as this but a measly two points in 19 games is brutal. I can’t wait for Prust’s return.

    3rd Defensive Pairing – I’m not looking for much offense when it comes to a 3rd unit but a combination of Bouillon and Murray is a real liability. It’s not a case of generating offense on an individual basis but rather negating any chance of clearing the zone and spending time in the other team’s end. It’s a case of subtraction by subtraction. The return of Emelin should see Diaz drop down to the 3rd pairing which should help rectify the problem to a certain degree. The reality of the situation is that this 3rd pairing along with the 4th line continues to maintain Montreal’s status as a bubble team.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I dont want to scapegoat Therrien. But I do believe, (not the losses because even great games can end up as losses), but the game styles and offensive shortcomings are a direct result of the ‘areas of emphasis’ of the coach. I really do not believe (and have never even read one nugget of news from our ‘scribes) that Therrien believes that you can ‘practise offense…practise skill etc). I read a week or two ago where after it was obvious that our PP was becoming less effective than that at the start of the season, Boone (maybe Hickey) noted that Therrien had his team working on the PP… with 5 vs 0 drills. I repeat 5 vs 0 drills.

      You sound very able and competent re hockey x’s and o’s… and coaching. I am beginning to get more confident (some would say arrogant) in drawing on my experience coaching soccer when I look at HABS games. One thing I know from my coaching experience is that a coach who does a 5 vs 0 drill is coaching based on his his ‘master design’; coaching on paper. I could delve deeper into this specific example but it reqquires too much boring coaching psychology.

      I disagree with your ‘accept it’ theory re ‘streaky scores etc’. Bournival I emphatically disagree is like Gionta(this Gionta not the young Gionta). Gionta had an open net and a great scoring chance last night. A player who was ‘practised and confident’ would have realised that he had the time and space to ‘settle that puck and take a ‘labelled’ shot. Gionta hurried his.

      One way to ‘solve’ streaky scorers is to set specific goals for them. You must have this many shots from this area in your game. Aim to get their in your play.

      I hate to get into this depth re ‘my solutions’ cause I really do not know hockey x’s and o’s. But I sincerely believe that if the HABS could include ‘offensive coaching’ into their system, our team would rise from the medocrity and lack of pizzaz that has beset us the last 20 yrs. I mean think about it. You are a player for the HABS. And you have JM and then Cunneyworth and then Therrien… all preaching…..

      I like the detail of your post though. I am kinda fed up of the ‘generic complaining we (including ME) do on HIO. I would like to read more ‘specific observations’.

      For instance I am patting myself on the back re one of mine. Maybe why I am getting bolder re my ‘theory’ posts. I rememebr posting long long time ago that one of Bournival’s abilities is to make ‘other players better’. And now evn a layer like Briere said it in an interview yesterday. I think it is specific knowledge like that which coaches must grab onto and utilise properly to ‘build’a real competent and all situation team.

      Soory re the length… thanks for reading thru.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Jameson – Just a quick point of clarification. I was comparing Gionta’s streaky scoring to Bourque, not Bournival.

        This is coming from a guy who just watches the game on TV so I realize it’s a lot easier said than done. The one thing I can’t understand is the lack of pin point shooting by some players. How can a pitcher curve a ball over the plate at just the precious moment in time? Or a quarterback throw a ball half way down the field to hit a receiver in motion? I realize some shots are made to be just off the net to help create scoring chances in another way. I just wish some Hab players could somehow hone their shooting skills. I’m sure that would be true for all teams around the league.

        • habstrinifan says:

          My apologies.. I misread. The rest of this post is 100 percent along the lines of my thinkng. True or not it seems that HABS are where skilled players go to ‘die’ or as you put it lose ‘pin point’ abilities.

          While it is true for all teams in all sports, it can be countered with offensive coaching strategies and similarly can be caused by coaching style constraints/dictates

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yup, we definitely miss a sniper/goal scorer. I suppose MB thought Briere may bring some of that, but the chemistry on our top lines just doesn’t look right (aside from the Kid line).

      I am no fan of MT, but I also don’t see last night as a coaching problem, as much as a team simply not executing for whatever reason.

      Prust and Emelin are missed, but even they can’t turn around the scoring unless everyone buys in.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Gerald – Scoring aside, Montreal lost to a team that had just suffered a crippling blow. The Habs were on home ice and also had the benefit of a Terry Sawchuk type goaltending performance. Why did the Habs lose? Tampa played their hearts out while Montreal played most of the game in the Twilight Zone. If they score just one more goal the game never goes into overtime.

        Any offensive resurgence has to begin with MaxPac. Maybe they should flip him with Bournival and see what happens. Briere would then have decent speed and size on both flanks while Bournival would be reunited with players he already knows.

        When it’s all said and done, there are only so many possible line combinations. Eventually, the guys have to get it done.

  54. Stuck_in_To. says:

    The prospect of getting Emelin back is exciting but I want to see Beaulieu back too. He can be dressed as the seventh D but I think the team needs him as an option. Puck moving and creating offense is sorely lacking on this team as has been well discussed. Markov, Subban and sometimes Diaz. That’s just too easy to neutralize when you are the other team. Throw in another component in Beaulieu and the other team’s game plan is less attainable. I know he is learning and growing but there is clearly room to groom younger players on an NHL team. And the “veteran” league is also starting to shift both due to dollar concerns and the fact that a lot of hungry young talent is showing how effective youngsters can be in this league. Montreal needs to score more and if your defense is not helping spark the offense it is just that much harder.

  55. JF says:

    Every new coach with the Habs starts off by saying he’s going to improve the team’s work ethic and make them harder to play against. Therrien said as much last year, and for a while he seemed to be succeeding. Habs were first on the puck, shots against were down and we were giving up only a handful of scoring chances per game. This was completely reversed in the second half of the season, and the pattern continues this year.

    Therrien said after the game that he was not impressed. Neither was I – so unimpressed, in fact, that I could barely watch. Playing against a team that had played the previous day and lost three players, including their star, the Habs generated almost nothing in the way of offence and didn’t bother Bishop at all until the last couple of minutes. It was a shameful performance on the part of everyone on the team with the exception of Price, who certainly stole the point. We were outskated and outworked, second on the puck all night, soft on the boards; passes were off the mark, we couldn’t hang onto the puck, and for most of the night we got nowhere near the opposition net.

    If it were just one game, I could maybe dismiss it; but it seems to me that we are outworked in about half the games we play, despite Therrien’s stated commitment to improving the team’s work ethic. Tampa looked like a better coached team than the Habs; their players were more in sync, their passing was much smoother, their puck movement more effective.

    As for the shootout, we don’t seem to have anyone who can pull the kind of move Filppula pulled and that nearly always scores. But I don’t like Therrien’s choices. In particular I don’t like Galchenyuk going first. He always looks nervous.

    Despite the point, I felt very negative after the game. But Price’s performance was spectacular, the kind of performance that gets teams into the playoffs and perhaps wins a Cup (not this year, but maybe down the road…)

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Seems like a lot of energy was lost when Bournival was replaced by Max on the Plex-Gionta line.

      Yesterday, all the GMs were in Toronto for meetings and rest assured there was some table setting for possible trades moving forward.
      If this continues, the Habs will have a shake up trade

  56. Les-Habitants says:

    Emelin needs to get in there for sure, but I would also like to see Pateryn given a go in Cube or Murray’s spot. The D (outside of Markov and PK) need to support the puck carrier more…not to make any excuse away from the forwards tho.

    They need something upfront to spark them.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      They absolutely need something to spark them up front. Prust can’t get back soon enough. I think Bergevin desperately needs to make a trade for a forward who’s 6’2 or 6’3 that can put the puck in the net. It’s tough to acquire a player like that but there has to be someone out there who can be had. A 20 goal scoring guy would be fine.

      This curse of being among the league leaders in small forwards can’t end soon enough. It’s been going on for a decade!!!!

  57. habstrinifan says:

    OK! I am gonna dive right in. I wish someone who really knew this stuff would have stepped right up so I wouldnt have to. But..

    I thought at the end of last year our PP was predictable and therefore didnt help us much, especially in the playoffs. I kept posting my one line alarm. “FIX THE PP”.

    It seems to be trending that way now and has the for the past couple weeks. Our PP needs awakening/fixing.

    I have sat and really watched it.

    Problem.. a good team ‘crowds’ our D; plays high on the blueline.(see I told you I dont know this stuff..the right words). If you look at last night’s game almost every pass between the D-MEN seemed dicey and with a high risk of interception because the Tampa PK was on our Dmen almost immediately.The shots from the point were hurried and ineffective.

    And what were our forwards doing then. Well the ‘favourite tactic’ of many hockey folks including Therrien. They were crwoding the net waiting on that shot from the point. Problem is the D at the point had no one to pass to and no space/time to really shoot..

    Two things happen on our PP. Once the forwards get the puck there is very little interplay with the D then. With heads down (I repeat heads down … you look at the tape of last night) they exchange the puck between the three forwards trying for a stuff in goal.. not a nice clean shot from a slot area. There is not real puck movement that draws the PK box away from the net. And very very noticeable..our forwards only ‘return the puck’ to the D as a last resort…under duress.
    So bottom line on the PP…there is a huge separation. Either the D is passing back and forth looking for a point shot or the forwards are ‘cycling’ looking for a stuff in/deflection.

    I know there are exceptions when some interplay happens but they are rare.

    In my humble and really tentative opinion,(if I were on the ice this morning) I would get very specific with the boys re the PP.
    Especially when we play aggressive teams (and I dont mean physical..aggressive meaning they pursue the puck relentlessly) I would reduce the ‘net presence’ (the blue paint presence..man I wish I knew this stuff).. bring one forward back and thus connect the 5 man unit better. That will give the D more passing options and a freer ability to move the puck and set up ‘sweet scoring chances’.

    Another observation. When a team pursues the puck as relentlessly as Tampa did last night ‘cycling’ is really not gona bother them.They can stand in front the net and watch you cycle behind the net all night. You ae doing exactly what they want..confining your space.
    You have to start making ‘tic-tac-toe’ medium length passing combinations. Move the ‘triangle/quadrant’ of where the puck is often. And for this you need precision passing and real personnel communication. Which can only come from ‘REAL’ practice. I read once Boone or somebody seemed highly impressed that Therrien was working on the PP… with a FIVE-ON-O drill. Oh yeah.. that’s gonna develop skill and communication.

    I thank you for reading. I am fed up of the generalities.. our team didnt play well; our team weren’t ready, yak yak yak yak.
    If you have read this(forgive the wordiness of it), and really ‘know’ hockey, I would appreciate comment. Even if you tell me what I said was STOOPID. It would be nice to read a real x’ and o’s response post about specifics from a knowledgeable ‘pro’/experienced poster.

    Thanks!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I noticed when Subban let his rocket go from the point that on 4 of 5 shots there was NOBODY in front of Bishop. He had a picture perfect view of the puck.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The Habs PP ranks 3rd in the NHL, 2nd in the Eastern Conference and 1st in the Division.

      Only Washington and Minnesota are slighty better, and imagine, the Habs being better on the PP than Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis, San Jose….

      http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLSAAAll&sort=powerPlayPercentage&viewName=summary

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Lot’s of effort in the post so I will reply. As you can see the majority of posters that slightly addressed the post were quick to point out the stats that Habs PP is one of the best in the league. I guess you can’t argue that point. However I see some of what you are suggesting about predictibility…you know what though…the team sees it also and they will do a bit of adjusting…it is already happening with Markov and PK…..don’t underestimate those two players creativity for a second……they do switch quite often and I see PK sneaking in from time to time. It looks like to me that the Habs just don’t have a consisitent work habit and remember they really didn’t improve that much from last year. They will be really fortunate to make the post season. MB has not impressed me and I imagine if you take time to think about it and give it serious thought he has added little from last year and I think in all probability has made the team weaker offensively and although tougher to play against they are not better as a team. I hope he does more this year than roll the dice on players that other teams don’t want anylonger or worse make a desperate move and doa stupid swap. This organization really needs to stick to the draft and development for a bit…..there comes a time to trade but it is in timing the trade and making sure you bring in the player or players when you are ready to make a legitimate run.

    • Phil C says:

      You have to take what the defense gives you. If the opposition is taking away the point shot (which they should against the Habs if they were smart), it should open up space down low for the cross crease pass, or for the player in front of the net to drop into the slot, for a quick shot. Burn them a few times like that, then you go back to the point. The Habs seem to force their game plan regardless of what the opposition is going, which is a huge mistake. Any plan should seldom survive contact with the enemy, it is a starting point from which you adjust from. The Habs need to be better adapting their gameplan in general.

      They miss someone like Kovalev coming off the half boards for the shot. Pacioretty should be doing this. This would be another example of a down low play which should open up the points again, or result in more PP goals, either way.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks for your reply. We need the puck movement of a Kovalev, I agree. But which coach was Kovalev’s best in Mtl. Without looking I would say Carbonneau. Kinda leans towrds my side of the ledger his coaching style.. and I am not saying he was a flawless coach.

  58. Hobie Hansen says:

    Awesome game by Price, not so great game by the defence and forwards. They were chasing the puck all night and the bigger Tampa forwards just played keep away.

    Pacioretty is the least physical player for his size in the league, Bourque shows up once every three games and our four or five small forwards make it tough on us a lot of nights.

    A couple quotes from last night:

    Josh Gorges:
    “We caught ourselves chasing, we weren’t supporting the play, we weren’t supporting the puck,” said Gorges. “When you do that, you just end up skating all over the place. If you don’t play with that extra grit, that intensity, jumping onto loose pucks, being first on pucks, that’s what happens.”

    Captain Brian Gionta agreed: “We had nothing, we didn’t create anything.”

  59. Habitforming says:

    Ya think maybe its time to drop the “Halakian” phrase when a goalie plays really well?

    Halak won nothing (was pulled 4 times in those playoffs too) and yet we don’t say “Theodorian” for great performances, and that guy won the Hart trophy.

    Time to drop it, its been years already

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Agreed!
      What’s also forgotten is that the Habs scored 19 goals in each of the 7 game wins against Wash and Pitt.
      That’s close to an average of 3 per game in playoff hockey.

      Then in the 5 game Con. final Philly blowout, Halak had 3 games of .714SP-.870SP-.880SP.

      He was traded at that time because Habs management felt he could not carry a team in a long playoff run – didn’t possess both the physical and mental makeup to play 60-65 games a year + playoffs. So far, the trade has not proven to be wrong.

      • mksness says:

        lol so we won because we scored and lost because he sucked. lol

        this board will always have a reason why a habs player is better than some other player. it’s like how our GM is the best and how his shity moves are alwasy great.
        -parros, dumb move
        -DD, horrible move
        -briere meh move
        -murray horrible (on the ice every time a goal goes in)

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Hiya Merrytimes. No need for the proviso, “so far.” Halak also missed the playoffs in one of the seasons after the trade. There were reasons Ken Hitchcock chose Brian Elliot over a healthy Halak in two playoff seasons. Halak is their clear no. 1 this year.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hasn’t ripened. Meaning raw feelings. Personally, there’s no leftover rancour over that three-year old memory, and it is colourful prose when there’s no sarcasm hidden between the lines, and I read no sarcasm in Boonie’s words about a tremendous goaltending effort. He could have alluded to Ken Dryden’s 46 out of 48 save effort in the seventh and deciding game in the semi-final series over the Bruins in 1971, but most people would not get it.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  60. habstrinifan says:

    ONLY thing to say now is WOW re Carey Price. Best I ever seen him play for an entire game.

    • mksness says:

      i actually think he played better against vancouver.

      Getting tied up in shot totals and sv% doesn’t tell the whole story of a game. Price was very solid last night.

      look at the shot locations:
      http://gametracker-nhl.tsn.ca/18144

      as bad as every calls montreal’s d. most of teh shost are from far out and from the perimeter. Good one price for his rebound control and for allowing no bad goals.

      • habstrinifan says:

        He made some amazing saves last nigh.. all on his own.

        Boone refrences Halak.. and Halak was amazing in that playoff run. But the defense also were JM’s ‘bar the door’ , the shooters were in tight and no ‘set up’ time. Lat night some of those shots were what you would call ‘labelled’.

        Man I long for that word when we would see HABS team able to set up for shots that we could describe as ‘labelled’ for the top corner etc.

  61. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    Re the Shootout:
    It is what it is, and the Habs have to live with it like every other team…yet that’s not to say the Coach Therrien can’t shake things up a little.

    In an old episode of Seinfeld, Jerry had the following words of wisdom for his buddy George Costanza when things weren’t going well:

    “…If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right”.

    Here’s not saying Coach Therrien is wrong more often than not, yet concerning the Shootout perhaps a new approach should at least be tried.

    Here’s why.
    Over the years, the Habs have been in the bottom Tier concerning Shootout Shots/Goal Percentage.

    This year, the Habs are 1 of only 5 teams that has not scored a SO goal.
    Last year the Habs SO% ranked 20th.
    In 2011/12, the Habs SO% ranked 26th.
    In 2010/11 the Habs SO% ranked 24th.

    Perhaps Subban should start things off.
    He takes the puck and skates in slowly – then once he gets to about 15 feet away – winds up and blasts away with one of his Howitzers… just like Tomas Vanek did against Huet in the video below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-mHqr2p_8.

    Subban is incredibly accurate with his shot, and here’s believing he would score more often than not.

    Even if he did not score, just having a goalie face that heavy bullet of a shot has to have some ‘shake up’ value for the next 2 Habs shooters.

    If anything, nothing lost and surely the fans would love it.
    It can’t be any worse than it is now.

  62. Dear Coach

    A team came in that was twice your size, and ran you guys for 55 minutes. I’m being generous here, maybe it was 62 minutes. But all I know is that it wasn’t until Briere went to the net where the Habs started going to the net it was like this. Oh look we took a shot and someone went to the net and we scored. Then that’s all you did until we had to go back to the PK. It’s not freakin rocket science Therrien. This team does not play for you.

    TB, playing in two very intimidating arenas back to back and missing the second greatest player in the NHL out worked, out skated, won every battle and fore-checked the guts out of you.

    So the Habs manage to get to the net for one goal, and go to the OT and Shoot Out and then what do you do Coach? You put a guy in who just got back from a concussion. Are you freakin kidding me? Do you know that his hand/eye coordination will be one second slower than normal, his skating will be slower and that his brain will be making moves faster than his body, because the transfer of information from brain to body will be slower.

    It’s the coaches job to motivate the team and prepare them to win and the GM’s job to get you players to do the job.

    But hey Carey Price got you a point and most likely solidified his spot as #1 in Sochi and right now that’s the only reason I am happy.

    The End

    Now,
    Hey forwards get your butt to the net and time those shots while you’re there and , in a shoot-out is it logical to take on a big goalie who’s natural lateral move is to his glove side? That was funny stuff right there.

    Been a big fan of Bishop since his Peoria days. I thought for sure he and Allen would be in St Louis for life. I thought when he was traded to the Sens that we were all done, and I laughed when the Sens traded for Conacher and gave Bishop to TB.

    But in the end we are building through the draft, and Carey Price just took another draft position from Timmons. Trade him, Price just doesn’t get it :lol:

    OK rant over…….no it’s not. I wouldn’t let Therrien coach my dog’s Frisbee team.

    Am I too hard on you Therrien? No because when you’re gone, it will be the exact same speech you’ve heard a number of times already. “Sorry, they don’t play for you”.

    And Rene Bourque’s history does not lie. One year on, one year off. Why do players play like that? I would move him quietly now, not the deadline. Bring someone in now so they can get used to the city, the team and the staff.

    Now I’m done. Applause.

    Go Habs GO

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  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Skewed or not, those stats show we need to change up the offence from the back end out. I think when Emelin is back into form, the team should look at pairing Markov with Emelin and PK with Gorges. We need to spread the offence of PK and Markov.

    Offensively Gorges, Bouillon and Murray provided virtually nothing.

    I know most team load their top 2 D studs together and ride them, but indeed we get no offence from our backend when PK and Markov aren’t on the ice.

    Great game by Price, shootouts suck, but I fail to understand at how weak our shooters appear on the shootout.

    Morning everybody, glad we managed a point out of that game.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi burli

      I believe it was you that posted yesterday that Tampa would come out flying and try to win one for Stamkos/Salo.
      If so, the great call.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yes, they indeed were the wounded bear and played a great game for their leader. I was terrified this would happen and it did…. And i don’t think our team came out playing desperate hockey which I also was concerned about.

    • Our GM should tweak now and not at the deadline. I’ve seen enough to tell me, we need one extra guy that can step up. The only way this team scores natural goals is when the other team doesn’t show up. The Ducks, and Isle’s games are two great examples and I am sure we have a list of wins where the other team didn’t outplay us.

      I need to rest now, I am dizzy because I am getting worked up and this isn’t worth it.

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    • Lafleurguy says:

      An unexpected point. Better than the point lost to St. Louis. Better than the zippo points when Seth Jones, and Minnesota dude scored late in the third, in games the Habs were not outplayed but still got zilch. This goalie and his backup are as good as it gets. Gotta get skaters on the fourth line, Aliu, Tarnasky (Murray-type speed). Woulda been nice to pick up Mike Brown.

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  64. RAM_TOUGH says:

    When will anyone in the Montreal media grow a set big enough to ask real questions like:

    – Don’t you think the fans have the right to boo when they are paying hundreds of $$$ for tickets?

    - You guys are getting millions of $$$ to play a GAME & you can’t compete at at least 90% every game?

    - How can you not get motivated for a game?

    - Why can’t you go to the net & crowd the goalie?

    - Isn’t it the D’s job to clear the net for Price, if so why aren’t you doing it every shift?

    - Why are your bigger players afraid to go in the dirty areas?

    - Why do you use the same players in the shoot out?

    If getting millions of dollars & the perks are not enough to give 100% every game then that is F’ed up! Let these pansies work another job like they did back in the day!

    Guts-Glory-Ram

    • chemic says:

      i dont get the concept of booing players during the game, its absolute stupid and even arrogant. my understanding of support is when your team is down and slow, push and cheer even harder. negativity creates only negativity, nothing good comes out of it. let them know when they play bad that they let a lot of people down. if your boo, your already down. if first boo and and then cheer the victory, your like windsock. and at the end no one is forced to pay to see this team. its like getting mad at the lotterycompany when your ticket isnt a win, its just stupid.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        I don’t know how old you are, yet Montreal has always booed its own over the years.
        Even the greats were not spared such as Lafleur or Savard and the list is long…
        There is no better place to play when you’re winning than Montreal.
        Much less so, when things aren’t going well.

        • chemic says:

          you called it right about my age, my comment was a bit harsh and yesi also know that fact about booing lafleur and some other greats, i get it its a “montreal thing” but i really dont understand it. i also pay once or twice a year a truckoad of money to visit montreal for a week or a bit more to see a couple of games but i dont go to those games to expect “something” other than a packed building and a really good (mostly drunk) time. dont get me wrong, i get fanatism and critism is a imortant part of it but i also think that fans should support a team (specially when they hang on a playoff spot) know matter what! let the media do the bashing, thats their job and they getting payed for it.

  65. twilighthours says:

    I see timo got modded (long overdue). It’s going to happen a lot this year, I think.

  66. DipsyDoodler says:

    I saw a different 3rd period. We actually had many scoring chances leading up to the tying goal from all three of our top lines.

    Everyone says you need to go to the net. Briere went to the net and scored – but it’s a fluke?

    Also the killing off of 3 consecutive penalties at the end could even be called heroic if it wasn’t a Tuesday evening game in November.

    So in the end it was a very entertaining game.

  67. twilighthours says:

    Those subban shot numbers are misleading – he does play a ton of PP time, when a lot of shots are generated. The 5-on5 numbers are more telling.

    I never get upset about a shoot out “loss” – it really is a gimmick and should have nothing to do with the actual outcome of the game. It is ludicrous that a team gains an extra point from it.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Even if you take out the penalties there’s a huge skew.

      When Bouillon/Murray are on the ice we generate zero offence. It’s essentially a time when we have no chance of scoring because we never have the puck. It’s only a tad better with Gorges and Diaz.

      Look at it another way: we had 3 shots on goal with those four defencemen on the ice.

  68. Harditya says:

    It took a .933 save percentage by Price a .953 save percentage by Budaj to win 9 of 19 games this season.
    Hate to be a downer, but that’s the harsh reality. Shows how inconsistent the scoring has been.

  69. RAM_TOUGH says:

    It burns me when Price has an oustanding game (a few so far) & is compaired to Halak. It is sickening!

    Guts-Glory-Ram

    • Harditya says:

      You’re right. He has a .909 save percentage playing behind a perennial Cup contender in Blues while Price has a .933 save percentage with our beloved Habs who are average at best. Not saying Jaro is a bad goaltender, far, far from it – but the debate is dead. Yes, Halak took the Habs farther in the playoffs than Carey did. Michael Leighton also took the Flyers to the Cup Finals, which is further than Biron and Bryzgalov ever took them. That doesn’t mean Leighton is a better goalie than both. Not saying Jaro didn’t accomplish anything, but the core of the team has a lot to do with playoff success than just goaltending itself. If that wasn’t the case Henrik Lundqvist would have a couple of rings by now.

    • Mike Boone says:

      I’ve always been a Price guy and had no problem with the trade. In invoking memories of Halak, I was trying to point out that a 44-shot bombardment is reminiscent of those playoff runs. I also wanted to stress that TB isn’t exactly the Caps or Penguins, high-powered offence-wise. And that was on the piss-poor job the Canadiens did of competing for pucks.

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  70. Old Bald Bird says:

    Price was fantastic! He’s fine in shootouts too; the two goals scored on him this year were excellent plays. The problem isn’t Carey; it’s the shooters.

    The Bolts were really impressive. I was surprised by how well they played. They never went into a shell either.

    It pretty well took the Eggselence line to wake the team up. Congrats to Paks and DB for the goal.

  71. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I didn’t see the game tonight, but if We want another high draft selection, I believe Therrien is doing exceptionally well

  72. vlhorowitz says:

    Great game for the thoroughbr… let’s not go there… Is anyone else concerned about Price in shootouts ? Especially of an Olympic magnitude ?

    Halakian :)

  73. Storman says:

    Thinking outside the box Patrick Roy pulls his goalie with a face off in his own end down a goal with 30 seconds left in game, Avalanche eventually went up ice and had a chance to tie game, but i love the thinking on Roy’s part with time running down, and the strut and big boy pants attitude he has brought to that team..

  74. The Jackal says:

    I dedicate this to TImo

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  75. Max says:

    Diaz played pretty good last night.he seems to be a target for many fans unfortunately. He punched in 25 minutes of serviceable ice.

  76. SmartDog says:

    You’d take out Diaz (7 assists, +3) instead of Frankie (3 assists, -9)?
    I think you’re missing something.

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  77. FlyAngler says:

    The defense has not been the problem of late and while much maligned, Diaz is steady and does a good job on the P K. Gorges has not been bad either. Bouillon is the guy to go to the press box if merit means anything and Tinordi needs to stay in Hamilton as he looked more confused during the early part of the season than a deer staring into the highbeams of a Mac truck. Beaulieu played much better and showed far more poise and better execution. Not sure which team you have been watching……

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  78. PADPZ says:

    So you’re willing to take out Gorges and Diaz of the lineup to keep Bouillon, Murray ?
    Thats confusing.

  79. Ace says:

    With Gorges out Price would have to face 15 more shots a game.

  80. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Absolutely ridiculous. Fortunately, not even Therrien is that clueless.

  81. Phil C says:

    It makes me wonder if those criticizing him even watch the games. He has been solid all season.

  82. HabinBurlington says:

    Diaz with Murray could be a nice complimentary pairing for each other.

  83. Sap Anderson says:

    I thought he was terrible and has been all season. He constantly bobbles the puck and never seems to be able to keep it in the offensive zone, his passes are suicide passes, and he can’t hit the wide side of a barn with his shot. And don’t even get me started about him in the d zone…. He’s been brutal this year

    And before you ask, yes I watch every game and have seen all but 3 of the home games live this year from my seats in section 101

  84. Maritime Ronn says:

    On a true and real cup contender, he is a 3rd pair even strength and 2nd wave PP guy and insurance policy if 1 of the top wave PP guys go down.
    See Nick Leddy Chicago.

  85. Max says:

    Diaz blocks plenty of shots,has a good first pass and good speed and is generally smart with the puck.He plays like a Markov lite.He isn’t going to be a fighter/net crasher/ shat disturber.That’s not his game and it’s important to have some defensemen like him on every team.

  86. Habsrule1 says:

    Murray is not NAG either.

    I can take or leave Diaz myself.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  87. SmartDog says:

    I’d rather not see Parros “in my sights” either. But I bet the opposing coaches love it when he’s on the ice. It’s a question of who is the better overall contributor. I like Frankie. But Diaz is faster and better today.

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