About last night …

Lehner

Michel Therrien thought your Montreal Canadiens played a good game in Ottawa Thursday night.
In remarks excerpted on L’Antichambre after the Canadiens’ 4-1 loss to the Senators, the coach said he “liked the effort.” Therrien felt the Canadiens dictated the pace of the game and had great scoring chances.
His team, Therrien said, played a solid road game and was not intimidated by the home side.
Citing “many positives”, Therrien praised the Canadiens execution, their skating and the pressure they were able to exert on the Senators.
Ottawa goaltender Robin Lehner made the difference, Therrien said.
OK, then.

That being said …

Your Montreal Canadiens are on a season-high four-game losing streak.

They have scored 11 goals in their last seven games – after scoring 33 in their first 10.

The playoffs don’t begin in November. But if they did, the Canadiens would be clinging to the eighth and final berth in the Eastern Conference – one point ahead of Ottawa, which has a game in hand, and two points ahead of a couple clubs who hold a game in hand, Carolina and the Islanders, who are at the Bell Centre Sunday evening.

There is, of course, much hockey to be played. And with due respect to the kindly old coach, let’s hope the Canadiens play better than they did in Ottawa.

Yes, Robin Lehner faced 34 shots, while the Senators were held to 24. But how many of those shots did the Ottawa goaltender see clearly? And how many did Price attempt to draw a bead on through a jungle of legs, arms, sticks and bodies.

The only Canadien to trouble Lehner to any degree was wee Brendan Gallagher, whose team-leading feistiness drew four minor penalties … including one for goaltender interference.

With Gallagher off so often, the Canadiens’ penalty-kill was tseted. And once again, the PK pitched a shutout. There hasn’t been a power-play goal scored on them since the first period of San Jose’s visit to the Bell Centre, and that was almost two weeks ago.

The PK, which struggled in the early going, is now the NHL’s third most efficient, with an 87.3 kill rate. And the power play, which produced the Andrei Markov goal that gave the Canadiens a first-period lead, is sixth in the league at 23.4 per cent – just a hair behind Toronto.

Special teams are not an issue with the Canadiens.

Even strength? That’s another story. The Canadiens rank 14th in the league in 5-on-5 scoring.

Michel Bergeron stated the problem succinctly on L’Antichambre: the Canadiens don’t have a sniper.

“They don’t have a Bobby Ryan,” the ex-coach said. “They don’t have a Stamkos.”

From the day he was drafted, I’ve been convinced that Alex Galchenyuk is going to be a star in the NHL. But to reach that status, the kid needs a finisher.

Brendan Gallagher has the heart of a lion and, as mentioned, will happily crash the crease in pursuit of goals. But Gally’s friend Chucky needs a winger who can one-time those sweet saucer passes.

Galchenyuk makes me miss Mike Cammalleri.

And there are times, I’m afraid, when Therrien makes me miss Jacques Martin.

I heard an analyst – it might have been Ray Ferraro – recently list the critical times of a hockey game: the beginnings and endings of each period and the shifts immediately following a Goal For or a Goal Against.

Therrien always has his team ready for the start of games. The Canadiens were all over the Senators early, and Lehner kept the game scoreless.

But then after Markov scored, Therrien deploys the EGG line – not the best defensive trio. And Bobby Ryan ties it up.

After Mark Methot jumped on an Andrei Markov turnover to make it 2-1, Therrien sends out George Parros, Travis Moen and Ryan White.

Bing! Mark Borowiecki makes it 3-1.

Late in the game, Canadiens down by two and Carey Price on the bench: Francis Bouillon attempts to channel Bobby Orr. The Canadiens’ 38-year-old defenceman – who’s out with Raphael Diaz, the kids and Rene Bourque – turns the puck over at the Ottawa blueline and Kyle Turris scores an empty-netter.

Some sobering stats:

• The Canadiens lost 38 of 61 faceoffs. David Desharnais went 2-8 – the only entry on DD’s stat line. He had no shots, misses or shots blocked; no hits, no giveaways or takeaways.

• The Canadiens were outhit 38-20. Marc Methot and Zack Smith each had seven hits for Ottawa. P.K. Subban led the Canadiens with four.

• P.K. had nine shots on goal, Markov five. Seven Canadiens had no SoG.

• Carey Price made 20 saves while his teammates blocked 22 shots. Price was beaten three times on the first 12 shots he faced.

• Andrei Markov played 27:39 and blocked six shots. I know he plays a cerebral game and avoids big hits. And I know it’s a contract year.

But tabarnac, what’s Markov gonna have left in the tank come April?

And will he be making those sweet plays in bleu-blanc-rouge?

This says it all.

 

 

 

 

377 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Habs at .500. 11 goals in 9 games says it all. Crapping on Parros ? He is paid $900k to punch guys out not score goals. Murray? He is paid $1.6mill to hit and clear the crease.He is doing that. Where are our goal scoring forwards that are paid 3x and 4x times that amount to SCORE GOALS?

    • Sportfan says:

      The Canadiens are Building on D they have Goaltending and working on Size, now its time for scoring guys, snipers and they can still be big, but have a great shot and score often.

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    • savethepuck says:

      Parros is -5 in approximately 20 minutes of ice time. That is actually a 15-0 game in 60 minutes. I would hope you would rather see the Habs win a freaking hockey game as opposed to them maybe winning a tilt. Our 4th line should be Whitey, Prust, and Moen when healthy. Those 3 guys will throw them to please you, stick up for teammates when they are ran, and actually be able to play hockey for 10 minutes without being a defensive liability to their teammates.
      The 4 minute goon is a joke and an embarrassment to the kids who are not getting NHL money because some meathead can punch the $#it out of someone once in a while.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  2. rljmartin says:

    Simple experiment, look at the line-up Oct. 29 against Dallas. Go back to it, they were winning. Sub in Max Pac for whoever you want. I suggest Blunden and start winning again.

  3. Maritime Ronn says:

    Ottawa Dman Mark Borowiecki scored Ottawa’s 3rd goal last night.

    ” Borowiecki was recalled from the AHL less than a week ago, but MacLean believes he’s had an immediate impact.

    “I think he’s given some life to some of us that were maybe sagging a little bit,” admitted MacLean. “That’s a great credit to him and his leadership abilities that he’s able to come in and have an influence on the team.”

    Nice to see a young Dman being given a chance to play and develop…and a coach heaping some praise on him.

    Of course the Habs are better off playing 38 year old Bouillon 17:21 per game ice time contributing 0 goals 2 assists and Minus -8 vs. getting at least one of Tinordi-Pateryn-Beaulieu in the line up.

    Oops. I forgot. Bouillon will be the difference in the Habs making the playoffs and making the Cup final…the young guys can wait, waste, and watch and learn what it takes to go deep in the NHL playoffs

    • third generation haber says:

      I believe we will see the young d-men making the jump by play-off time, after they’ve had a chance to play 20 plus minutes per game with the bulldogs.

      j.p. murray

    • I’m actually fine with the Habs defense, it’s acceptable, but right now scoring is my concern. Bah to be honest who cares :lol:

      Screw this I’m boycotting the Habs starting right now…..

      OK I’m done now, it was a very successful boycott and we win the next 6 games!

      Book em Danno!

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    • Eddie says:

      Ronn, you’re bang on as usual. I agree.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      They tried Tinordi at the beginning of the season and he had a tough time. Didn’t play well at all. Certainly not the immediate impact that Boro is having.

      Besides, does adding Tinordi make the Habs a contender? Nope. So, what’s the rush? Let the kid play 25-30 a game for the ‘dogs, with more of a leadership role, then bring him up next year.

      Same applies to Bobo the G8.

      It’s tough to watch Bou play, but he’s not “the” reason why the Habs are losing games. He’s just one of many reasons. (DD, Bou, Murray, Parros, MT (?) …. injuries)

    • olegpetrov says:

      I think that’s a little too simplified. Yes, this can work with d-men here and there, but it can also be disastrous for young d-men. I’d like to think that the coaching staff and management/scouts/directors of personnel etc know the kids and their abilities. More time in the AHL can not hurt but coming to the NHL and being a bust at a young age can destroy a career.

      Habs fan…Nuff said

  4. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Therrien is reminding me of someone. He dresses a little better and his hair is better than the first time around but he’s still the coach that we fired. Oh yeah! He’s reminding me of himself.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  5. krob1000 says:

    Getting a feel for how important Prust and Emelin are all over again. Purst’s ability to play with decent players and generate a bot offense while being physical are sorely missed as are Emelins hits and his return will hopefull mean the end of the PK/Markov pairing and should provide immediate dividends with Markov or Pk on for nearly the whole game.

    • Eddie says:

      I agree that Prust and Emelin have to make us better.

      But we still need to score some garbage goals to win the close games and I think too many of our scores are more comfortable working the perimeter.

      That’s why adding Briere was not the right move, because that 4 million needed to give us more tough goals in our top 9. So even when Briere returns, he is not the answer.

      And you can’t just throw Moen and Parros on the ice with fast, talented players. Parros can’t skate well enough. Period. And Moen has proven extremely ineffective in that role.

      Prust will be thrust into the top 9, though, because he can play there.

  6. Price07 says:

    Ya, maybe we should have taken the leap and paid the price for a guy like Bobby Ryan. You can’t just build through the draft, especially if you don’t have a 1st overall pick to build around like Chicago did. Sure they drafted well, but it helped to have Kane and Toews at the centre of it all!

    Galchenyuk is gonna be good but he’s a passer and not much of a goal scorer. If this team doesn’t have the balls to make a trade and get some offense it will never be good enough. They have a goaltender and a lot of young promising Dmen but not much in terms of real goal scorers. BTW, check Danny Kristo’s stats in the AHL…way better than anyone on the bulldogs.

    Can’t just count on Pacioretty and Gallagher to score. Pacioretty is streaky and if all of your hopes rely on a 5’9 guy who gets run over by guys all the time…troubles brewin…

    • Phil C says:

      The only reason Ottawa could make this deal is because they have drafted so well and stock-piled draft picks a few years ago that they had too many good prospects and not enough places to put them. Trading quantity for quality makes perfect sense in this situation. Garth Snow said the same thing about trading for Vanek. The Habs are not in this situation yet.

  7. Steeltown Hab says:

    2 Players make up the entire heartbeat of this team, that’s Subban and Gallagher.

    Seriously though tell me Therrien how we have blue chippers like Tinordi, Beaulieu and to a lesser extent Pateryn, on the brink of full-time NHL careers and they can’t get a game in? Are Bouillon, Diaz, and Murray playing too good?

    We need more out of Pacioretty.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Excellent point. That’s why MT needs to go now & I’m beginning to question Bergevin’s knowledge/hockey experience.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Ya aside from the actual public image and increased communication/likeability, from a purely hockey standpoint Bergevin hasn’t impressed.

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • third generation haber says:

        I’m also unimpressed with M.B., but I can’t help but notice that his worst moves (DD and Briere) involve Quebecois players. I think that he may have made these moves out of fear that there wouldn’t be enough locals on the team.

        Before these deals, he may have imagined Bouillion as the only Quebecois blood on the team, as he couldn’t have been certain that Bournival and Leblanc would make so much progress.

        I support the idea of Quebec representation on the Habs, but recognize it must put a lot of extra pressure on the GM.

        j.p. murray

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I think I agree. I’d be willing to lose more games if it meant these young D were learning.
      Perhaps they are learning more in Hamilton? I’m not sure, but I’d like Tinordi & Pateryn here instead of Murray & Bouillon, for example.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Beaulieu and Tinordi got a chance and aren’t ready. I thought one of the things we had to stop doing was rushing young players, especially d-men. That we had to take the long view.

      And actually Diaz is pretty good. He’s turning into a PK specialist. Agreed that Bouillon and Murray are very poor however.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Dipsy….I guess you have a good point. I’m probably talking a bit out of frustration. We probably should stay on track. The D should be very good in a couple years when these guys are ready.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  8. krob1000 says:

    I still stand by hte notion the team lacks balance right now…not personnel wise but more in the deployment of the players.
    Please break up the kid line…and please break up PK and Markov. Spread the wealth…the team cannot score in bunches as they only stand a chance to score whenthe pk markov duo is on the ice as is and that also has to coincied with eitehr Pleks or kid line at the same time. There is too much of the game that is white space and the Habs are just clinging to dear life….it does not have to be that way.

    As much as we are all thankful the kids are playing well….sort of (they came out firing but are struggling of late) the vets still need to be the ones doing the heavy lifting. The team should be able tos core 5 on 5….but the kid line IMO is ineffective and Eller and Galch need a grinder, Gallagher needs a beak and should not be expected to be the grinder…he is expending way too much trying to be that guy for them.
    As much as people have disliked Moen (I wanted him gone after that one year)…he is a useful 5 on 5 guy and could easily play with two good players. So can Purst. This team has an advantage over 80 percent of teams in its depth but when it stacks one d pairing and stacks on line (all young good players but all still in need of veteran influence on their line) the team becomes easy to defend as we are seeing.
    Need more grit witht he finesse….look no further than the OIlers to see waht is happening to our kid line….all the talent in the world but even a group of number 1 overall picks struggle when playing together at 5 on 5 …too much offense and not enough simple puck retrieval, cycling ability, smart resoponsible simple plays,etc. Habs need to step back from the kids and use them smarter and use PK and Markov better too…..split them up please!!!!!

  9. Phil C says:

    As many of you have pointed out, the Habs are not scoring enough despite having a mobile defense and a pretty good powerplay. I have always felt that the offense has never clicked under Therrien, even last year when they were winning. I think it may be a bit of a blind spot for the coaching staff.

    They have some small players, but Gallagher and Gionta go to the net better than anyone, so I think size is not the issue. Although lacking a bonafide sniper, they do have 3 lines with guys who can score, so I don’t think it can be explained by a lack of talent.

    I agree with JF that the problem is in execution. There are three mistakes they are making offensively that the coaching staff has not been correcting:

    - They do not stop at the net (except for Gallagher), a fundamental error. They shoot, then they maintain their speed for a cruise around the net. They should be stopping at the net every time, and looking for rebounds or creating traffic. They make it sooooooo easy on the defense and the goalie. Even if they are worried about the back-check, it is faster to stop and then start back instead of maintaining speed and doing a big, wide turn. Lazy and ineffective. This drives me nuts.

    - They do not coordinate their shots with traffic to the net. Too often they cross the blueline and shoot resulting in a one-and-out. Instead they should be holding the puck for an extra second while their line-mates create traffic. Boston is good at this. A goalie like Lehner last night or Anderson in the playoffs will stop every puck they see. Every time. The only way to score on a goalie like that is with screens, tip-ins, deflections, and rebounds. The Habs rarely create this type of offense.

    - Too much perimeter play. It’s too easy to go to the open-but-not-dangerous ice. Instead, they should be fighting more for the dangerous ice. No one did this better than Cole, so they miss him in this regard. This bad habit was a part of Gomez’s demise and I see it as a part of DD’s problems. There is a reason the non-dangerous ice is open. Even going to the dangerous areas, but not getting the puck, will create space for your teammates because the defenders are forced to go with you instead of sitting back in a perfect zone coverage.

    - Not taking the puck to the net enough. Markov did this against the Blues which resulted in a tap-in goal for Bourque. They need more of this. DD in particular seems disinterested in the net. He is not even trying to score anymore. Most of his offensive zone touches are east-west passes that lead to nothing, so he creates zero deflections, screen shots, or rebounds, yet alone goals. He is not even giving himself a chance to be lucky.

    • Eddie says:

      You have to have the right personnel to work at the net, and we don’t

      • Phil C says:

        With Eller, Galchenyuk, Bourque, Pacioretty, Moen, Prust, they have enough size to play around the net. Gallagher and Gionta are the embodiment of why size is irrelevant to score goals this way, both those guys score a lot of goals in the dirty areas. I see this as a coaching issue. You cruise around the net, you sit for a shift. You practice it over and over until it’s second nature. Bourque is the perfect example of a player who has the tools to play this way, but doesn’t do it enough.

        • Eddie says:

          Eller, Max, Galchenyuk, especially, have made the NHL by producing from the perimeter, not the crease area.

          It’s not their game.

          Bourque can do it, when he wants to, which is not every night.

          • Phil C says:

            The NHL may not be their game then. You are not going to win anything playing this way. The goalies are too good.

        • rljmartin says:

          Problem is this is not PEE-WEE, they may actually not mind sitting for a shift. They even pay you in the press box. remember you are dealing with millionaires or at least semi-millionaires. Works with rookies and wannabees but vets?

          • Phil C says:

            I seriously doubt that. You want to really hurt a hockey player, take away his ice time. It’s the coaches’ only real leverage. If a vet has that attitude, he’s done as a pro. More than anything else, these guys want to play, that’s why they keep coming back and risking their health even though their financial future was secured long ago.

          • Eddie says:

            Phil, you can’t just change an NHL players style of play. They ave played their whole lives as perimeter players. That’s their bread and butter. That’s what got them to the show.

          • olegpetrov says:

            Eddie, sure you can. If THEY don’t change, THEY don’t play. It’s fairly simple. Subban’s style has changed quite a bit from being flare flare flare flare oh yeah, hockey flare flare flare to flare hockey hockey hockey, flare.

            Habs fan…Nuff said

  10. SmartDog says:

    I don’t know WTF that was last night.
    No, I do. It was:
    Gryba 2 – Habs ZERO

    Habs failed in EVERY area, but mostly failed to stand up to Ottawas wrecking ball.

    Murray = FAIL
    Parros = FAIL
    Patches, Moen = FAIL
    Team = FAIL
    Therrien = FAIL
    Bergevin = FAIL

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Jesus…the Habs outplayed the sens for most of the game.

      If you don’t like the Habs, just say so…stop beating around the bush.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Gryba was brutal. Worst player on the ice. Worse than Murray.

      • Luke says:

        Not worse than Parros.

        That guy is brutal.

        • savethepuck says:

          How can you say Parros is Brutal, that’s blasphemy ffs. The guy protects his teammates and makes them play bigger. With him in the lineup, the Habs are 0-5 and he is only a -5 in close to 20 minutes TOI. If he played the entire 60 minutes, we would only lose 15-0 but the staged fights would show the rest of the division that if you run one of our players, our defensive liability will pick a fight with your goon the next time the puck drops. Seriously Luke, you need to learn hockey and stop watching figure skating.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

  11. Eddie says:

    If you compare our roster against the Sens, who played their back up goalie last night, we do not match up favourably.

    The Sens have not been playing well this year, and nothing is guaranteed to any GM when he builds a team, but the Sens are built to win tight games, tough games, playoff style hockey.

    Our big players, like Max, Eller, Galchenyuk, Bourque, rarely finish their hits, rarely impact the game on a physical level, and are often on the wrong end of some nasty play.

    We are usually the more polite, less nasty team on the ice, and that is a recipe for losing close games, as many garbage goals are scored when nastiness wins the battle in the crease.

    If we’re going to score more goals, we need to go to the net with the puck, or crash the net for rebounds, and we do neither with any frequency.

    One last point, to answer UCE below who mentioned Murray and the fact that his lack of speed was a given when we signed him cheap and late. Murray is the worst and slowest skater I have seen in the NHL this season. They were holding back their laughter last night on RDS. I think we probably could have spent the same money, maybe a little more, and gotten someone who could skate at an NHL level, and other teams will certainly be looking to take full advantage of this weakness on our back end.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The Sens aren’t built to win anything. They are 22nd right now, and will miss the playoffs. Also, Lehner isn’t really a backup: he is second to Josh Harding in save percentage at .947. As was the case last year, goalkeeping is the only thing keeping them out of the lottery spots.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        The Sens started the year with a tough 6 game road trip including the west coast.
        2 of their next 6 games were also on the road against Detroit (win) and Chiago (loss)

        The Sens will not miss the playoffs
        The Sens are now 1 point behind Montreal for the 8th playoff position with a game in hand

        • The Jackal says:

          Sens are terrible either way. Just a bubble team like the Habs, they may or may not make it, same as us. Only their bigger. They still lack scoring and defense… kind of like us!

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  12. DipsyDoodler says:

    Someone yesterday wondered why we didn’t get JvR. Flyers wnated a young stud D man. OK they maybe got burned on the deal, but we didn’t have a Luke Schenn (24 year old, #5 draft pick) to trade to them.

    Second player mentioned, David Perron, has 2 goals this year and concussion issues.

    And Bobby Ryan? Sens gave up a lot including next year’s first round pick which as it stands it 8th overall but could be higher.

    • savethepuck says:

      You can include Silfverberg in the Ryan trade to Anaheim and he has 4 goals for them this year so far.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  13. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think it’s time for Marc Bergevin to take Nathan Beaulieu and a 1st rounder and trade them to a team that’s probably going to miss the playoffs for some top 6 size.

  14. CF says:

    Same old story against the sens. We outplay them, get more shots, which means nothing, but can’t score because too many shots are from the outside and seen very easily.
    Gallagher gets knocked around. DD can’t win a face-off.
    Price can’t stop pucks through screens. Man, nobody lets in more goals through screens than Price, nobody. He just doesn’t work through it.
    It’s right to say we have no star power, and Ottawa knows this.
    It’s sickening looking at Maclean’s mug on the bench, he puts on a smirk as if he knows what’s going to happen. Playing Gryba and giving Zach Smith and the boys so much ice time is proof.
    The book hasn’t changed on the habs. Beat them on the boards, and you beat them on the score sheet. Simple. Chris Neil is all over the ice, Zach Smith is mugging Gally at every chance. Parros mean while is on the bench because the coach has no faith in him and therefore the guy is basically useless.
    I agree White should be given more time on a top line, if for nothing else but the hell of it, and maybe some forecheck.
    The Ottawa D are just too relaxed back there. We’re so small on the fore check it’s just embarrassing.
    Oh well, maybe losing is the best thing for the long term. Bergevin can’t sugar coat the team, prospects, or coaching staff if the team keeps losing.
    We need much more than Patches and Pleks if this team is going to win. Eller and the Gallys can’t be leaders yet. Although Eller tries, he needs some toughness to play “with” to protect “him”.
    Bergevin has to know this.
    Don’t know if this was discussed on here earlier, but I thought it was relevant to see when Therrien called out Tinordi on 24 Ch about turnovers in his own end and Tinordi couldn’t answer his question because he said, “he didn’t understand the question!” Fucking hell, if the message to our young guns cannot even pass the English test, what do we expect??

    • Luke says:

      You think playing White and Parros MORE will lead to wins?

    • savethepuck says:

      Are you effing kidding? Nobody allows more goals on screens? And you are blaming Price? When someone is blocking a shot, block the freaking shot. I played goal for 40 years and I guarantee you that for a goaltender to have a chance, he needs to see the puck leave the stick. If a goaltender picks up the puck late, I guarantee they are at a huge disadvantage.
      The professor agrees with you though, so you must be right.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  15. olegpetrov says:

    What we saw last night was VERY characteristic of most of the Habs losses this year. They get tons of shots, but can’t produce. Why? Because they fail to have anybody other than Gallagher in front of the net. I bet that’s a part of most teams prep for the Habs…follow the puck because they don’t have anybody to put in front of the net. On the other side, it seems like 90% of the goals against Price and Budaj are tips/screens/deflections/dirty rebounds. They ALWAYS have someone posted in front of the net.

    I love this team but they really need to get some size up front to make the opposition goalies nights a living hell. Until then, it’ll be perimeter shots that the goalie sees every time. Habs make goalies look good.

    Habs fan…Nuff said

    • Phil C says:

      Just posted much of the same above, didn’t see your post, but obviously I agree with you. Not sure size is the only problem, but they are definitely not playing the right way to win against a hot goalie.

  16. third generation haber says:

    Trades!

    Whenever a team starts to slide, fans call for trades. The cap is low this year, so teams can’t afford to take on big salaries until late in the season.

    Therefore, the only players we can trade now are entry-level guys and prospects; that would be a big mistake. No trade, that we can actually make now, would make a big difference. We simply don’t have the team size or toughness to be a contender.

    Our goal scorers are all secondary scorers (Gally’s will/ should develop further), without Markov and Subban, we would almost never score goals.

    Guys like DD and Briere are untradeable. We know this is true because so many of us want them gone, so why would any team want them????????????

    Late in the season, I hope we are able to trade Gionta, the cube, Diaz, and Markov for pics or prospects. I never want to trade Markov, but by the time we are a contender, he will be past his prime.
    j.p. murray

  17. habsguru says:

    bottom line is this. 6’3″ and talented will almost always beat 5’8″ and talented. a mazda miata can’t outwork a porche cayanne. DD worked his bag off last night, and has absolutely nothing to show for it. maybe he would succeed with two hulking wing men, but CH is incapable of finding one, let alone two of those. and if they did would they be better served with eller or chucky?

    • third generation haber says:

      Very true,

      The sens have 1 player under 6′ (Conacher); we have 8 of them, including 4 players under 5’10″.

      Their farm team has 3 players under 5’11″, ours has 5 of them.

      We need to use the Devils approach of drafting big players who skate well.

      j.p. murray

      • SmartDog says:

        And management signed one of those “under 5’10″ players while touting the need to get bigger. The Habs are cursed. No matter how much they “try” to change it’s the same soft team, bad penalties, little guys fighting big guys, star players getting frustrated, goons standing around.

        Habs either are suffering from having the wrong culture for the league today or poor execution. Or both.

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        • third generation haber says:

          Exactly, sometimes I think we’re trying to write a Disney film about the little team that could.

          M.B. has certainly added some size in Parros, Murray, and Prust, as well as drafting McCarron, Delarose, Crisp, and Gregoire, …

          but unexplainably he added Briere, extended DD and the cube, traded Kristo for Thomas, and drafted Andrighetto and Reway. Where does the midget love affair end???

          cup winning teams are not loveable, they’re mean!

          j.p. murray

  18. Hobie Hansen says:

    People on this site agree with next to nothing any hockey commentator says on television, they seem to know it all.

    There were a couple stats posted on the tube last night showing the amount of players on Montreal below 6′ and 5’9″ compared to Ottawa and it was a landslide.

    Gary Galley made an excellent point last night that the Habs got a bit bigger in the off season but it was on their 4th line and bottom pairing of defence.

    Ottawa ended up just grinding out a win last night against the smaller Habs.

    If Montreal doesn’t have a ton of jump on any given night they don’t win games, unlike other big teams that can pull out wins by simply going through the motions.

    This team will not go anywhere with Desharnais, Gionta, Briere, Plekanec and Gallagher making up over 50% of their top 9 forwards. We all know Gallagher is awesome but the overall package of players is too small for the long haul.

    Then on defence, Gorges, Diaz and Bouillon make up 50% of what we’ve got and they’re constantly at a size disadvantage as well. There’s no issue with Markov and Subban but they’re not exactly giants either.

    There are some real bright spots on this club, I do think we’re a team that can make the playoffs. However, we’re not going to take the next step until we integrate some more size into our top 9 and on defence, period.

    The Smurf saga continues…

    • CF says:

      Yup, you got it. DD cannot play in the NHL. He had one good year when Patches and Cole carried the mail. Teams adjusted. Period. He’s a career AHL player, at best.

    • krob1000 says:

      That is beacuse the HAbs choose to play their size on the fourth line…Moen has experience playing with better linemates, Parros has played shifts in the past with two good players. IT is like the Habs have hteir tough line together for another line brawl? Split up the grit and when you do play Parros play him with two really good players so the line is not vulnerable…he gives them room to move and amy induce the other team into throwing out a 4th line or some semblance of it.

    • savethepuck says:

      This post would of had more replies if you hadn’t of changed your avatar. People thought a newbie was posting

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  19. New says:

    This is good for the Canadiens. Probably not so good for fans.

    Still, I enjoy watching the team. They aren’t really very good anymore but still, they are the team I always cheered on.

    The future is so bright for the youngsters within the system. I’m not saying they’ll make it. I mean they have a real shot at making it. The opportunity will be there. Somewhere.

    From the comments I guess one could say the honeymoon is definitely over for management. When people start talking about how good a GM Gauthier was you gotta figure the anti-acids come out.

  20. Marcusman says:

    We need this guy:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ovechkin

    Trade Josh George, Nathan Beaulieu, Rene Bourque to Washington.

    Trade Gionta to anyone who will take him for the Salary dump.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Is that all the caps are asking for?

      Ya, we should do that for sure then.
      Good call Marcus.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Marcusman says:

        I have no idea what they’d want… does anyone have their number? Are we allowed to broker and deal through this website?

        They need D…so we give them two decent D and throw in a decent winger to replace Ovie…

        WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING…..we need to score.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I doubt the word “decent” can be used to describe any player the caps would take for Ovechkin.
          My guess is the worst word they’d want to describe a player they get for him is “good” ;-)

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Marcusman says:

            I find it hard to believe that we the most cheered for Hockey team in the world, who is extremely well off…doesn’t have a HUGE star player.

            Honestly….Briere? DD? (should of been given a 1 million contract, he would of been thrilled) That 8 MILLION should be in the bank account of GOSH DARN IT Legit star/ goal scorer.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            But where do you get this “GOSH DARN IT Legit star/goal scorer”? They don’t grow on trees.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It would be more like Carey Price, Mike Bournival, Jarred Tinordi and two 1st rounders for Alex Ovechkin.

  21. 2blacklines says:

    I was just wondering. When can we stop saying “it’s still early”. Really? Wasn’t last year an example of what the canadiens are? At the half way mark they began to slide. Playoffs, they we’re eaten alive. Obviously last years stats were a hologram. When does Marc B. Decide now is the time to start initiating some moves? I think Oct 1st was the time. Maybe he should wait until the trade deadline and the HABS are out of playoff contention to make trades. That should be late enough right? Seriously. Just shut the season down and run the nhl with 29 teams if nothing is going to be done. You don’t have to get paid the big bucks to realize a mess.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      When healthy, the Habs can finish around 6th in the conference. Not healthy, they are a bubble team.
      That said, the team is not really built for the playoffs, as we all know. We need players like McCarron or preferebly players that are big and can score.
      We have to be patient, unfortunately….might take a couple more years before we contend for the Cup.
      If fans can’t wait, they can cheer for someone else. every team wants to win the Cup. Trades don’t just happen cause the Habs want them to….same can be said about signing free agents.
      The drafting in the last few years has been pretty good, but those players are not ready yet.
      MB has only been there for a year. Should he have completely turned this team around by now?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • chanchilla says:

        McCaron can score? Have you looked at his stats lately?

        • Habsrule1 says:

          The kid’s 18. I think that’s what they’d like from him. And read what I wrote:
          We need players like McCarron or preferebly players that are big and can score.
          See the “or preferably” part?
          I think McCarron could be a decent player, but I’d prefer him if he can find a bit of a scoring touch….or a player with his size that can score.
          Nice job picking out the one part that you saw that you could jump on though…..without correctly reading it.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  22. Goooooooooood MOooooooooorning CANADA

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    As for the Habs, just laugh away boys and girls, they’ll breakout of this slump and if they don’t then hey, at least Bergevin gets to build through the draft. Too bad this isn’t the year to suck. The real prize is summer 2015.

    Sigh oh well, keep pluggin away, I’m not losing sleep over these guys, in fact I slept in today and I never sleep more than 4-5 hours at a time. RELEASE ME OL FROZEN ONE………

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    • RAM_TOUGH says:

      Part of me wants Price not to make it. He does not need the BS!

      Guts-Glory-Ram

      • You can be sure that Luongo will be number one. You know the old mentality, but the numbers don’t lie, and Carey is the better goalie but because Roberto has a chance it will be his #1 to lose.

        You have to cheer for him because right now the boys are so bad the Olympics are the only thing to look forward to.

        Shane Oliver
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  23. rljmartin says:

    Word was MT was good at player development, especially young guns. Well what do you think now?

    I also believe that White is the most Prust-like player we have and for that reason is being totally ill-used and ill-guided. We get into tough, rugged opposition and White is used way to little and with Parros. Another recipe for failure. I don’t think Crosby could make Parros look any better.

  24. Peter Young says:

    A very restrained look at the game, Mike. I don’t know how you manage to keep it that way. It surely must double the frustration to have to write about it as well as watch it.

    Yes, the team needs a goalscorer, but I think it needs more than a single sniper. One would hope at least one of the forwards already on the roster will pick up in that department, but in the meantime the team is getting no production from players who were its leading scorers in recent years, like Pacioretty, still not returned to form after his injury, and Plekanec. The defense should become more solid once Emelin returns, although only if he plays as well as he did pre-injury.

    But then there is the coach. Some of MT’s in-game decisions are just mystifying to me and, as the comments demonstrate, to other observers as well. I can’t make head or tails of what’s really going on, and I doubt any outside observer can. Therrien seems to be very defensive, too quick to find excuses, and naturally that makes observers all the more likely to wonder about his capabilities.

    The Canadiens are still in the building process and no one could reasonably expect them to do as well in the standings as they did in last year’s shortened season. The team simply does not have the personnel to do that. But I do think it is–perhaps was–reasonable to expect they would perform at a better level than they have, even given the number of injuries they have incurred. The team seems to play with a curiously inconsistent energy level, approaching the listless at times, and, after a losing streak and in the absence of any other ready explanation, it is inevitable that outside observers would regard that as a failing that can be laid at the coach’s doorstep. That is why we are seeing comments saying the coach “has lost the room,” that the players have lost faith in their coach.

    All I know for sure is that it was particularly dispiriting to see an Ottawa team play poorly and yet beat the Canadiens 4-1. And I’m not persuaded that it can all be blamed on a good goaltending performance in the Ottawa net or on a lack of sufficient talent on the Canadiens team.

  25. Habsrule1 says:

    Habs were the better team last night, except for the goaltending. Price wasn’t bad, but Lehner was excellent.
    The sens just have the Habs number right now. It happens. In the playoffs last year, the Habs should have been ahead in the series after 3 games, but they were not. Reminds me of the Habs beating the Bruins ALL THE TIME in that long stretch before the past few years. The Habs were not always the better team in those series.
    The better team doesn’t always win.
    Sharks are winless in 4 too….happens to all teams.

    The reality is our team is lacking a star calibre forward a la Spezza or even Bobby Ryan. I think Galchenyuk might get there, but he’s not there yet. If we could pull off a trade for someone close to that level, I’d be all for it, depending on what we’d have to give up, of course, but we have some good prospects, and you have to give to get.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • RAM_TOUGH says:

      On two of the goals Price was screened. If Montreal could have potted their many great chances Lehner would have been sitting on the bench by the 3rd!

      Guts-Glory-Ram

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Snipers rarely or if ever come on the market and if they do, the price is huge

      Burke gave up 2-1st Round picks and a 2nd round pick to aquire Kessel

      For pending Summer 2014 UFA Bobby Ryan, Brian Murray gave up
      23 year Jakob Silfverberg (already has 4 goals 7 points in 11 games for the Ducks), former 1st Round pick Stefan Noesen, and a first-round pick in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        So, we don’t have what it takes to get a Bobby Ryan? Is Silfverberg going to be a star? Perhaps, but he’s a prospect. I think we can put a package together to get something similar if we really wanted to, assuming there’s a player that fits that mold available at some point.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Mavid says:

      You had me till you said Spezza..last night he gave the puck away, and then took a penalty which we scored on..he did score a goal..I would say he is decent..but no star.

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Just look at his career stats. He has scored over 80 points 4 times in his career. How many current Habs have done that?

        If he’s not a star, he’s sure an upgrade to 75% of our forwards. I’m not crazy about his defensive play, but sometimes you sacrifice that for a guy who can get you 80 points.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Mavid says:

          Not many I will give you that..but stats don’t tell the whole story, I am curious to know the stats on his giveaways, and blind passes to nowhere..then there is the whole personality thing..he is so arrogant and full of himself..I think he is selfish and self centered..I am still shocked that they made him Captain..he would be my last choice for a star calibre foward..there has to be better out there…

          Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Ok, fair enough….he was just an example. I’ve never been crazy about him either, thb….but I’d love his 80 points.

            I understand the whole thing about difficulty getting a star player (I just used that as an argument in another post as to why we don’t have one) , but sometimes I think we do have the players & prospects to pull ff a big trade.
            Eller will probably never be more than a very good 3rd line centre (maybe 2nd line), but I would think, in a package with a your defense prospect, and hell, maybe even Fucale, we could somehow get a pseudo-star from a team looking to dump some salary…?
            So easy to be a GM from my chair LOL

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  26. Strummer says:

    George Parros- what’s the point?

    He played 2:55 last night and managed to be -1 in that short time frame. He takes the roster spot of someone that could contribute offensively.
    At least he should do what he was hired to do – thump Neil after his cheap shot on Gally.

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    • Habsrule1 says:

      Parros has been dissapointing to me. How does he not do a single thing last night? Forget about the history from last year’s playoffs. How about those hits Gryba & Neil were dishing out on Gallagher, among others?

      Unfortunately, toough guys are not that easy to come by, and it’s even harder to find one that can actually play the game. My hopes are pinned on McCarron, and before anyone says he’s not that tough, he doesn’t have to be the toughest….just throw down now & then, and put the puck in the net here and there too.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • New says:

      I remember thinking in the pre-season that Parros was faster than I thought, that he wasn’t so hot in the teams end of the rink but handy to have around the oppositions end. But that was against fourth liners from the AHL I guess. Five regular season games, five losses, three lines playing against four on the others. Not a good situation.

      Might be a case of injuries catching up and having no option but to sign at the highest tax rate. Hope not. Life is too short to scramble your noggin for money.

  27. Ian Cobb says:

    I feel that the players know what the problem is! and it is not the players!

    Players know if the coach is making the right moves by utilizing each players talent in the best way to make the club successful.
    They know each other better because they are on the ice together and communicating all the time.

    Bergevin will have to be talking to Therrien in his office. He sure was not impressed last night . Sure hope CH24 is there for us to see Bergevin call him out.

    Right now, I do not have a whole lot of faith in Therrian getting this franchise to a cup one day!

    I have been wrong once before though! so long ago that I can’t remember what it was about.

  28. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    Montreal is bad 5-on-5. Nothing new there. It’s been the team’s modus operandi for oh, let me see now…10? 15? 20 years? And why is that? Coaching is the scapegoat far too often. Whether it’s Jacques Martin, Michel Therrien or the god of bench bosses himself, Scotty Bowman, the guy in the suit behind the bench can’t put the bloody puck in the net. And no amount of fancy set plays practised to perfection in the controlled environment of a training facility is going to make up for the the fact that Montreal DOES NOT HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO COMPETE 5-ON-5. How else to explain why we almost never win unless Carey or Budaj stands on his head or Marky and PK are lighting it up on the PP? Sure, we’ve had seasons in recent years when we’ve finished in the top 10 or so in team scoring. And we’ve had guys like Max, Cole, and Kovy pot north of 30 goals in a season. But no one at the level of a Stamkos or an Ovechkin. And when our guys do produce it’s in bunches like the notoriously streaky Pacioretty. Until we address that problem, we’re doomed to mediocrity for now and ever more.

  29. Old Bald Bird says:

    Were the boys really that impressive early on? I’m not convinced. They remind me of flies furiously and pointlessly circling the light. It was a reprise of last years playoff series. The Sens (or whomever) just have weather the fly invasion by keeping us to the outside (mostly) and waiting for the flies to get tired. Which they do.

    This team is not constructed to win in the crash and bang NHL. It’s too bad that the league has gone that way, but it has. When we played St Louis, it seems like everyone was a big brute who would also use his size.

    What big forwards do we have? Eller, Pax, and Moen. I’ll add Prust and Parros if you insist. Neither Eller nor Pax play big although Eller tries on occasion. It’s just not who they are. Moen doesn’t contribute much; Prust is great but not that big; and Parros is … well, you know …

    So, we have a lack of size, and the few talented guys that we have with size are not very disposed to use it. It’s not their fault; it’s just not who they are. But we get on them, particularly Pax, because there’s simply no one else to do the job. If we had a few more bigger dudes, we could let Pax be Pax, but we don’t have anyone else. And it gets frustrating.

    MB looked good early on by obtaining Prust and jettisoning Cole. Frankly, every move since has been mediocre at best, and I think I am being charitable to say that.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      They looked impressive to me, especially in the first period. They were the better team for a good portion of the night.
      I do agree that they have trouble getting in close for a decent chance though. Size is a factor. We are waiting for bigger, stronger players to get us over the hump. It’s one thing for small players to buzz around the offensive zone but they can’t get to the net often enough.

      The one thing a losing streak is good for is to assess the team….and hopefully improve it. Sometimes winning or treading water masks the issues with the team. If MB is as good as people seem to think, he should be getting a good idea of what we need.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  30. habsguru says:

    CH is always waiting for the perfect shot because they have nobody to obstruct the goalie or pop in the rebound. Pac is big, but is going to get mugged in the paint with Gianta or DD as back up? this results in perimeter shooting, and hey, Pleks is no Brett Hull.

  31. DalEng says:

    When Emelin comes back, everyone should give this team 10 games to see what they can do.

    I am to lazy and suppose to be working right now to look up the stats. But dating back to last year the habs record with and without emelin is astonishing.

    • rljmartin says:

      Team went for a big slide sans-Emelin last year. It sure will be nice to have him back but I really worry when Habs success appears to depend so much on one player. Are we pinning too much hope on Emelin?

    • savethepuck says:

      Check out the Habs record with or without Markov, it is more impressive with a huge sample size.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  32. Maritime Ronn says:

    Every team slumps at one time or another.
    The Habs had great chances last night and just could not finish.

    What should bother fans and a somewhat sleepy media more, is that all were played like a fiddle and a bunch of fools by at least Coach Therrien, and most probably management.

    Flash back to last Saturday after the loss to Colorado.
    In that game, Therrien finally put Galchenyuk at Center with Max and Gally in the 3rd period.

    In the post-game Therrien presser about moving Galchenyuk to Center:
    ” It’s been a while we’ve been thinking about it and we decided it was the right moment…We liked what we saw…It’s the reason why we WILL CONTINUE the experience.

    We are ready to give him ( Galchenyuk) ALL THE TIME NECESSARY to adapt to the position that he was familiar with in Junior (Center)”

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/une-transition-naturelle-1.681805

    So what follows?
    Habs decide Desharnais needs time off and announces he will not play against a (big-strong-tough-physical) St. Louis team…as if he would have made any difference.

    On RDS, Michel Bergeron agrees that Davey needs a break, yet mentions the Habs need him back…now get this, “…Especially on the Power play!”

    If Bergeron had done the least bit of research, he would have seen that in the last 68 games – including all of last year, the playoffs, and this year, Desharnais scored 2 goals and 5 assists on the Power Play…and that included a HUGE 175 minutes and 46 seconds of PREMIUM Power Play time.

    Simply put, Galchenyuk was set up to fail, thus opening the door for the return of Desharnais.

    If you want your future franchise star player to take the next step, where do you begin that?

    What you don’t do is put him in a position to fail, and start him at a pressure packed Bell Centre with an unfamiliar line mate.
    You don’t start him against one of the toughest teams in the NHL…that is also considered one of the better defensive disciplined teams behind Ken Hitchcock.

    No, you start him on the road against Buffalo or Florida or New Jersey…because this game is all about confidence, then building on that.

    The experiment lasted 1 game!
    The easy excuse of “He is still not ready” was an easy sell after a loss to an unsuspecting fan base and media.

    Then the coach’s son returns….not exactly his son, yet that’s what it reminds one of back in minor hockey days.
    The little guy that had no place on the team anymore, yet for “reasons” was still being played….
    And THAT is how a coach loses the room!

  33. RAM_TOUGH says:

    If MB resigns Gionta, Markov & offers Diaz another contract then he is more stupid than MT. Markov does nothing for Montreal anymore. The only run the Habs went on Markov was hurt. Markov is a non-factor in Montreal. The young core guys need to be kept & the rest put out of their misery. For a GM MB is clueless.

    Guts-Glory-Ram

  34. Mavid says:

    Give me strength

  35. JF says:

    It’s ironic that the improvement in our special teams, particularly the PK, has coincided with this losing streak. We’re not giving up short-handed goals, we’re even scoring a decent number of powerplay goals, yet we’re losing. Special teams are very often the difference between a win and a loss; clearly that is not the case here. Goaltending is not the problem either. Our goaltending has been excellent in just about every game, and cannot be said to have cost us any game.

    So why do we keep losing? Of our recent losses, the only one in which I gave us no chance was the one in which we managed to grab a point and could have gotten two. But the Minnesota game was winnable, even against Colorado we were in it until a couple of costly errors, and last night’s game was one we definitely should have won. We dominated the first half of the game and could have buried the Senators early if we could only finish. That is certainly one of our problems. Unlike really good teams, we seem to need about six golden scoring chances for every goal. Hitting the post, missing the net, fanning on the shot, not pouncing on rebounds – we probably lead the League in these categories. And we need more presence in front of the net. How many ugly goals, the kind resulting from scrums in front of the net, have we scored this year? Have we scored any?

    Then there’s mistakes, the kind of mistakes that result in completely blown coverage or give the puck to the opposition with a clear shot on our net. There are always going to be mistakes, but in the last few games we seem to be committing an inordinate number of them.

    And there’s coaching. Mike points out a couple of obvious bad decisions, and there have been similar ones in the last few games. I think Therrien did a good job last year, but I feel a lot less positive now. He seems to get out-coached rather regularly. I’m not sure his in-game adjustments are very effective, and he often seems to have the wrong players on the ice at crucial moments. I can’t see Bergevin firing him this year, but I also can’t see him outlasting his initial contract. And I have no clue who should replace him.

  36. Cal says:

    Let’s see if Otis can answer this question. Does MT have a new approach?

  37. jrs10069 says:

    MT is on the downside of a nasty cycle. Seems every move he makes does poorly.

    Moen needs to go, for the love of god, waive this guy. Can we please get a heavy who can skate?

    Everyone needs to shoot the f’n puck.

    I think MT’s constant bitching is getting to the players, they seem like they are so worried to make a mistake for fear of having to listen to the baffoon that they are timid. D especially look very hesitant (that or they suck).

    jrs10069

  38. Danno says:

    Ottawa goaltender Robin Lehner made the difference, Therrien said.

    Has MT been hitting the pipe?

    Whatever happened to NO EXCUSES.

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  39. jols101 says:

    Three young players that were on the trading block that our GM missed on – David Perron, JVR, Bobby Ryan. Young players of this ilk are very rarely on the market. It would have been nice if Bergevin had of stepped up. Giving away young assets and draft picks for old players is a terrible idea but for young studs you jump all over it.

    • savethepuck says:

      I think JVR was on the market before MB became GM, with regards to the others, it is hard to say what the price would of been and whether our GM thought it was worth it. I follow your posts and respect your opinion, I know you are not a DD, Diaz, Gorges, Bullion, Murray, and a 7th for Crosby guy. There are things I am not pleased that our GM has done, but I he that he is careful in trades.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • CH Marshall says:

      well to be fair, MB has given away only a pair of 7th rounders for Drewiske and Parros (unless i’ve forgotten other trades this late at night). The guys you listed above would be definately expensive, etc

      I think the problem is that it all seems like a repetition, or some sort of cycle. Especially with the extension to DD and the signing of Briere.

      We definately could use two snipers.

      The “problems” so far are the ones MB created for himself: DD and DB. I like them both and respect their career trajectories, but I don’t think they are the answers to our short-term needs.

      • savethepuck says:

        You are correct that MB has not given up any prospects or picks since hired. He has stated that you have to be patient and build through the draft
        Despite other’s complaining about his trades ( Drewiske or Parros ) he has not given up more than a 7th rounder. Regarding his UFA signings, except for the 4 year Prust deal, he has refused to cripple the organization with long term overpaid contracts.

        The why couldn’t he sign player A for 2 years at 3 million is obviously not plausible.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • JF says:

      I think Bergevin dd make an attempt to get David Perron. The JVR trade happened just as he took over, and, as for Ryan, look what the Senators gave up to get him. We don’t have that kind of depth yet.

  40. johnnylarue says:

    In 21:30 total ice time this season–averaging just over 4 minutes per game–George Parros is minus 5.

    Fair enough, Chris Neil and Gryba played it pretty cool tonight. Maybe because Parros was there. Maybe not.

    We still lost 4-1.

    Whatever the case, I don’t think Therrien should send him to the pressbox just yet. Applying the Law of Averages to the situation means we are due for a victory with Parros in the lineup… eventually.

    Edit: Damn–here I was thinking I’d get all cute with some numbers to back up my BS for a change, and lo and behold, UCe beat me to it like 50 posts ago! Life is so humbling.

    • savethepuck says:

      It is a joke and embarrassing that an NHL team has to dress a 4 minute goon. It is a vicious cycle that I got my guy, now you get yours that is bigger and tougher and can’t play hockey.
      There is a very simple solution to this BS. Make it like when I was a kid playing hockey. If you are in a fight, you are ejected from the game ( not a 5 minute rest in the box ). It is not.a suspension unless it happens in the 3rd period, and then you sit out the next game. Too many 3 rd period fights, then suspensions.
      If this is done, players will still stick up for their teammates and drop the gloves when an idiot crosses the line on another team. What it will get rid of is this idiotic staged fighting when a rookie knows he has to challenge a tough guy on another team to prove himself ( Colorado’s Bordeleau challenging a proven Parros which was pointless ). The more important thing is that it will make NHL coaches think twice about who they put in their lineup because they will run the risk of shortening their bench. To me it sounds very effing simple, bit I have never heard anything like this before. All arguments are ban fighting, my solution is not a ban, but I think it may bring us to a game that we can all enjoy.
      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  41. Marc10 says:

    Pierre Macguire says we need 7 franchise pillars to win a cup. I don’t always agree with him, but that sounds about right.

    - Toews
    - Kane
    - Keith
    - Seabrook
    - Big Buff/Bickell
    - Niemi/Crawford
    - another solid D or a world class grinder (Bolland)

    What do we have:

    - Price
    - PK
    - Chucky
    - Max (on the bubble?)

    So yeah… Needs a bit of work.

    • Habilis says:

      We’re not there yet, agreed. But I would add Eller to that list right now. Gallagher too, even if he’s only a half. ;) And by the end of the year, I think Bournival might just be on that list too.

      Max just has to stay healthy for a good stretch, he’ll be back.

      Plus, add Emelin and Markov and the list starts to look half-decent. Personally, I think Markov is playing well enough now to be considered a top 2 or 3 on any team, and I just hope that Emelin comes back at 100%.

      We do have some talent here, but it would take lightning in a bottle for this team to do any damage this season.

      • chemic says:

        to be honest im kinda twisted on Max. we all know what he can do with his quick release but right know when he does not score, its a bit frustrating to watch him out there. he could provide much more to the game and i mean more physically. i cant remember him hitting anyone out there and lets be honest, thoses rushes along side the boards are not scary. he isnt that threat he should be at the moment. i also think the injury card is a bit overplayed.

    • savethepuck says:

      Although Gally was a 5th round pick and not considered an elite prospect, everything he has done IMO against all odds is showing me that he may be 1 of those guys too. In any poll here asking about him or Chucky, I have always picked Chucky, but it was hard to do because I love the kid too. He has proven himself at every level, he tied last year for the team scoring lead, and this year he leads the Habs with 7 goals. I may of underestimated him, but I won’t for much longer for sure. The kid keeps proving everyone wrong because of his incredible heart.
      Edit:. Habilis just reminded me to add Eller to your list, I honestly can’t believe I forgot him either. He’s a keeper.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Marc10 says:

        I’d agree about putting Gally on the list. Right now, he’s our only forward that scores consistently and shows up every game… and he brings it. He doesn’t have the pedigree of Max or the latter’s physical attributes, but he’s a better hockey player with a no quit attitude.

        Cole leaving set us way back in the end (and I don’t blame MB for shipping him… he’s still off the reservation today in Dallas.) But when Cole was flying, he helped DD and Max have career years. It was like Kovy effect on the team in 08…

        That’s exactly the kind of guy we need to find in UFA-land. Get that guy and you might just have your 7 as Eller and Max would be better for it.

        I think MB was hoping Bickell would hit the market. He needs to try again when Gio’s contract is off the books. We need another genuine power forward.

    • third generation haber says:

      Glad u mentioned this Marc,

      We are NOT a contender! Even when we play out of our minds (block shots) and give good teams a hard time, we could never sustain that over a 7 game playoff series (so forget winning 4 of them). We are simply one of the easiest teams in hockey to play against. No forward fears driving our net at full speed, our forwards seem to fear every defense in hockey.

      Tanking, although I don’t think we are that bad, would give us an opportunity to draft elite talent, and make it easier for the GM to unload players.

      Most valuable, trade wise, would be Markov. I don’t want to trade him, but by the time we are a contender, he will be limping. His value will never be higher than it is now. And, we do have some good d prospects on the horizon.

      In the mean while, I hope we add the muscle we need to protect our young talent until we can fill out a winning roster.

      Cup or nothing!
      j.p. murray

      • savethepuck says:

        Was reading closely your post until the get rid of Markov part, after that it was like listening to Charlie Brown’s teacher. He made a mistake tonight, but he is playing now like he was 5 years ago. He is the reason we have 2 of the top 20 DMen in the league ( according to ESPN this summer he was tied for 22nd for the best DMen in the NHL and I am sure every Hab’s fan would agree that he is much better this year, and PK was ranked 7th then ).
        According to our coaching staff, he is basically our best DMan ( and I’m a huge PK fan ). Drafted in 1998 and presently the longest running Hab, but why don’t we just turf him for a pick. Tiicks me off beyond any reason. If you or anyone else think Beaulieu and Tinordi should be coming up and learning from another UFA I am shocked, if you think PK has not learned anything from Marky, you are wearing #79 colored glasses. The old man is playing better now at 35 ( in December ) than he was when he was 32 and injured.
        I seriously think people don’t like home because they think of he is a grumpy old ba$””d. The guy is old school, loves the City, the fans, the tradition, believe it or not his 5.75 M was a home discount. He has made it for 8 years now ( is there such a thing as inflation?)

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • third generation haber says:

          If u kept reading u would have read: “I never want to trade Markov”
          I don’t care if he made a mistake tonight; in terms of a rebuild, he is our most valuable chip.
          j.p. murray

  42. JM says:

    A coaching change will not make a difference. I said from the 1st game. we have the same type of team as last year. Bournival is the only good move we’ve made so far. we have some talent but mostly deadwood, too small and injury prone that’s why they won’t play tough for fear of injury even some of our tough Guys are injury prone. you’re not going far with a team like this forget it …

    • third generation haber says:

      Agreed, no coach or trade could possibly turn this above-average team in to a contender.

      A desperation trade could set us back even further.

      j.p. murray

  43. savethepuck says:

    Regarding MT”s presser where he thought the Habs played a good game, there are a lot of sarcastic and negative comments, but what I saw tonight was,

    “I think MT saw a game where the Habs were the better team but failed to put the puck in the net, which has been a problem that is starting to worry me over the last 7 games. He saw the 1st Sens goal where Chucky ( who I absolutely love ) missed Bobby Ryan slipping by him and getting in the open a shot through traffic that Carey didn’t see. Then when tied 1-1, Carey makes a save that goes right on Marky’s stick and he has an opportunity to clear the puck but he unfortunately throws it right in the slot onto a Sens stick for a 2-1 lead. Please understand that Marky is probably my favorite player and I understand that mistakes happen. On the 3rd goal, PK and ( I think Gorges or maybe someone else ) go out to block a shot, and don’t do their job, Carey does not see the puck and it goes in. PK and Gorges are my favorites too.
    Sometimes the team that played better doesn’t always win, sometimes it is minor details that make the difference in a game and “les boys” were not on the receiving end of good fortune tonight.

    “they don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  44. joeybarrie says:

    when a defenseman is your number one scorer you have problems.
    we need a true scorer.
    Boone is right when he says we miss Cammi.
    We need a sniper, a guy who scores A lot…..
    simple. We got barely 30 goal scorers. We got barely 20 goal scorers.

    we need a big fricken scorer. Simple.
    we block more shots than the goalie. We got a great team that plays a team game that can win and beat any team on any given night.

    what we need is a top 6 that can score every game.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      Funny, the CBC colour commentator mentioned Cammaleri tonight, saying how he used to finish off those sweet cross-seam passes from Markov with perfect one-timers. And I thought to myself, we really don’t have a Cammy or Kovy who can do that on the half-boards anymore. A team of playmakers but no finishers.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • jols101 says:

      Ya, those type of players are easy to come by. Maybe if Bergevin asks nicely another GM might just give us one.

    • The Dude says:

      Stop putting lipstick on this Hockey Pig and pull the trigger on a youth movement!It’s been 20 years of different shades and all fade to black…enough! Plecs ,Gionta,Markov,Borque,Moen,Gorges all have worth ($20 million per of worth )and trade them for young Lucic’s and Kassian’s for a re-boot!

    • Habilis says:

      As jols101 pointed out above, they ain’t cheap.

      To acquire someone like say, Moulson, would take at least a first round pick, and probably another pick (3/4) or a kid like Pateryn.

      Do you really want MB making a deal like that for a guy who might play here for 3/4 of a season?

      I don’t, not for this team. We ain’t ready.

      • Timo says:

        Man, Habs will never be ready. I don’t think it matters anymore what they do or don’t do. It’s just not gonna happen.

        • Habilis says:

          It’s gonna be another couple of years IMO, but I do think that there is a very talented group of young hockey players on this team.

          When the kids on the blue-line graduate and when we are icing a team with a seasoned Galchenyuk, Eller and Pleks down the middle every night, we will be talking about a contending hockey team.

          2015-ish, IMO.

    • Cal says:

      There are 82 goal scorers in the NHL? Where?

  45. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    Markov, Diaz and a 2nd to Edmonton for Yakupov and a grinder?

    Yeah. Or. Neah?

    • Habilis says:

      Edmonton wouldn’t trade Yak for 2 pending UFA’s and a 2nd. No way.

      It would take Markov, one of Beaulieu/Tinordi and our 1st to get him, or something along those lines.

      Not that I’m saying that’s fair either, but the Edmonton brass are all insane, so…

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      Well, yeah, except there’s no way the Oilers would be dumb enough to do that.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  46. The Jackal says:

    I posted a rather snide comment earlier, born out of the frustration of seeing the typical and pervasive “sky is falling” posts that unfortunately plague HIO after a loss.
    In response, The Dude asked me how old I was when the Habs last won the cup. Implied in the question was the assumption that his and others’ impatience is justified since it’s been so long since they have witnessed a cup. But is it? I was five years old in ’93, and to top things off, I did not even know what hockey was. I was a little kid being raised in the tropics, snow was just a fantasy to me.

    I’ve been a Habs fan ever since I moved to Canada – 7 years ago. That is not a long time, and I don’t pretend to know more about hockey or the team than anyone else, but I find it frustrating to see so much bellyaching, negativity, and short-sightedness after losses. I’ve enjoyed every minute of being a fan, despite not winning a cup. I’ve only heard of the legends and greats, and even then, I feel proud to be part of that tradition. The old timers are LUCKY to have witnessed the glory days, the dynasties and the countless cups – the days of Lafleur and Roy. Yet they seem to be the impatient ones.

    Shouldn’t that be me? I have NEVER seen the Habs win a cup, the closest was in 2010 when Cammalleri took us on a magical run. Yet the implication in The Dude’s comment is that my optimism and disdain for negativity is because I haven’t witnessed the Habs lose for long enough. But to me, the fans that have seen a cup, and lived through the glory years, are the lucky ones, and the ones who should not be calling for the coaches’/GM’s head. It’s a 30 team league, and we are under new management. I may be a new fan but I’ve been through the BG and PG days, the JM years, etc. I get that it can get old to go through new personnel and what not, but still, the Habs have brought me nothing but joy. I get down when we lose, but discovering this team and sport was a life changing experience.

    The fans who have witnessed the glory days are the real lucky ones. They should cherish that and not bemoan or current struggles. It’s a 30 team league and the legends may not repeat themselves. I feel like I should be the impatient one, calling for MT’s head for failing to deliver a cup win for my virgin eyes. Yet it’s the lucky fans who are most rabid. Not that that is a knock on them, but it’s an interesting thing to note.

    In the end, we all want the same thing – to win, but it’s not worth getting all pissed off over a few losses or bad seasons, specially if you’ve been lucky enough to experience the tales that future fans will regale their kids with as legend.

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    • Timo says:

      You know, some people would simply like to live long enough to see another one. I totally understand the frustration of those who is simply fed up with this joke of a team.

      I get your point of view and fantastic if that works for you. For others they see things differently and there is nothing wrong with it. Like on pretty much every topic on here there both sides have to agree to disagree.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      A 25 year old from the south. Suddenly your love of fighting makes sense to me.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • VancouverHab says:

      That is an excellent post, and you are an admirable counter-weight here, and we need you here badly.

      Your post, however, has one problem: just one, but it is important. I have supported the Habs since the 60s, and so I have seen a lot of great things, and, of course, some not-so-great. And I completely don’t care about losing: losing games, runs of losses, or losing seasons. I like the winning times, but, like you I get a lot of joy out of even the many bad times of the last couple of decades.

      But there is one thing which is ruination for Habs enjoyment–a deathful misery which spoils the ‘fan experience’–and that is when the coach is obviously incompetent, small-minded, and insecure.

      The first game that Mario Trembley coached I announced to a friend that “this will end badly.” He lost us the superstar Patrick Roy. I hated every minute of supporting the Habs when he was coach because whatever they did it was ruined and doomed by Trembley’s stupidity and absence of coaching ability.

      Cunnyworth was a bad–very bad-coach but I still liked watching the Habs because he was not small-minded, and insecure, so his silly and ridiculous coaching was (a.) funny, (b.) interim, and (c.) he at least tried to learn from bad outcomes.

      Therrien is as bad–in every way–as Trembley. Therrien can’t coach at the NHL level, but worse, he aggravates this by making ludicrous decisions born of insecurity and small-mindedness: everyone but you can see that he is trying (as hard as he can) to crush Subban’s personality…because Therrien responds from a psychological place, not a hockey place. A coach should treat Subban like Don Chery treated Orr: he’s a superstar and sui generis, so let him exhuberate.

      And his small-mindedness has him play DD past his sell-by date, and his best friend Bouillon on the PP, in close minutes…he lets him carry the puck with the net empty!

      So people moan about Parros & Murray being horrible NHL players–they are, utterly, on skill, but I love them because they are Habs and that they each have a unique aspect. If we lose because of them I can live with it (although Timo can’t–fair enough.)

      But bad coaching makes it impossible to be happy, because there is no way to predict what stupid decision will ruin hard effort and high skill, AND, as happened the last time an incompetent coach, a tyro GM, and a Molson owner clashed with a flamboyant superstar, we lost a superstar and a decade as a consequence.

      We are doomed until Therrien goes, and my prediction stands: Therrien will stay and Subban will take a two-year deal, causing Bergevin to trade him in trade which (like the Roy and the Chelios and LeClair trades) will kill us for at least a decade following.

      Again, I say that win or lose.

      • Da Hema says:

        I agree VH. What is most shocking about this organization is that it simply cannot secure a competent coaching staff. When Lemaire and Laparriere left, they took the playbook with them — and the team has never been the same. I admire your commitment to the organization, despite its long-term soul-sucking mediocrity, but I do not share it. I am almost hoping the Habs will trade Subban so I can become an “ABC” fan — Anyone But Canadiens. I almost stopped cheering for this team when it gave away one of the best defencemen in the history of the NHL to the Chicago Blackhawks. This time I will. The organization destroyed its heritage in the past 20 years — alienating its greatest players and most competent administrators, demolishing a hockey shrine, and hiring and drafting based on language. Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs under Harold Ballard would ever have hired someone like Mario Tremblay to coach an NHL team. But Tremblay is French-Canadian. I believe this organization perhaps is getting everything it so richly deserves now.

      • habkin says:

        Exactly what I was trying to say the other night VH! I remember the glory days of the 70′s. If PK is traded I would hope for him to win a Cup even on another team. We need a coach with tactics and strategy to match our player’s talent. And yes, we need a couple of power forward snipers.

    • Garbo says:

      Exactly, completely agree with you Jack. They owe us nothing. You don’t like it, don’t watch. Just stop crying and whining and feeling sorry for yourself for being a fan of a team that doesn’t win. It you’re not enjoying it, why are you following it? No one else cares if you feel bad about yourself for your perceived waste of time. Life’s too short. Move on and get over it.

    • Propwash says:

      Doing the math it’s been 20 years since the Habs last won the Cup, I’m pushing 35

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  47. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Which game was Therrien watching? Not much of an effort even for a road game. You stole my thunder Boone because I told my son as we were watching how much I missed Jacque Martin. Of course I was being sarcastic but man I’d rather have him than this tool behind the bench. I hope we don’t have to wait long for a coaching change. Just fed up with seeing & hearing MT.

    • Timo says:

      As much as I hate Therrien problems go deeper and in all different directions from players to upper management to ownership. The whole organization is rotten.

  48. Feraco says:

    Bring Kaleta to the habs. Can’t be worse than Parros

  49. Feraco says:

    Montreal is no normal team. It’s nuts there lol they are celebrities in the city.

    But a trade may be a panic move, especially with so many players out.

    • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

      But how many players are still out? Prust, Emelin – two significant cogs, I’ll grant. But you have to be able to grind out wins without your #3-4 defenceman and a bottom-9 forward. As for Briere, he was a POS when healthy, so that’s not the answer.

      The fundamental problem is no secret…this team just has too many small forwards (Gio, Desharnais, Briere, Gally), and it really shows when we play physical teams like St Louis and Ottawa. I think Gionta is a fine player but my guess is he’ll be gone at the deadline for just this reason. And if MB is looking for a trade, it’d presumably be for a reclamation project, a FW with size who has fallen on hard times, like a Drew Stafford or a David Booth. Who we’d give up for such as asset? – that’s a whole other question.

    • Timo says:

      There aren’t that many players out. Habs are no longer more injured than any other team in the league. Except for Emelin and Prust Habs are pretty healthy. Neither Emelin nor Prust should be a reason why Habs are in such down spiral. There are too many problems other than injured.

  50. Feraco says:

    Then I thought to myself…”sounds like something Martin would do”

  51. Sportfan says:

    Does anyone else feel like there is a trade coming soon?

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    • Habilis says:

      Can we trade coaches with Colorado?

      I kid of course. Sort of.

      In all seriousness though, I don’t expect anything drastic to occur in the immediate future. MB is not a knee-jerk reaction type of manager.

      Besides, what’s the answer here? Our scoring is down drastically in the past while, so is a sniper the answer? Our fourth line has been a Greek tragedy, so do we need a grinder? Our bottom D pairing has been pretty brutal, but obviously he’s not going to consider dealing for D with Emelin and the kids in Hamilton.

      Any deal for anyone decent probably means you’re trading with a bad team, meaning they will want picks or prospects in return. MB has not shown any penchant for making those kinds of trades, and I don’t think he will before 2015 or so.

  52. Feraco says:

    It’s a long season. It’s been a streak of wins and now a streak of losses. This game was demoralizing. Very. Looking big picture we all knew it would be a struggle and if we made the playoffs it would be in the 6-7-8 spot. Maybe this 24-7 video thing has too much pressure on them. At the same time…still to small.

  53. Timo says:

    Last year people were saying that hey, this is Bergevin’s first year, positive moves have been made, there won’t be an immediate impact but habs are moving in the right direction, blah blha blah.

    People still believe Habs are moving in the right direction? Perhaps I need to be educated about what this right direction is.

    • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

      I’m agnostic on Bergevin, because the body of work is insufficient to draw conclusions. But “moving in the right direction” clearly means building with young talent from within, which is what MB has pretty clearly stated his mandate is. The “direction” never was to win the Cup in 2013-14. So spazzing out because of a November losing streak is a bit rich. Perhaps you think he should have signed David “The Saviour” Clarkson? Or 5 years of Vinny Lecavalier?

        • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

          Dany B sucks. But the point is that MB has done nothing to jeopardize the building process, e.g., locking us into long-term bloated contracts for declining veterans. If you think in terms of a rebuild, attacking MB makes a lot less sense.

          • Timo says:

            So Habs have embarked on another 5 year rebuild process here? And if you look at it… Habs have 3-4 good young players up front, 2-3 more on D. What’s beyond that? Is there a solid core of veterans that can be relied on to show younsters the winning ways? I don’t see it with the current veteran players. On top of it, half of them will be gone soon anyway.

            This will be another 5 years a-la Gainey (that stretched into 8) with yet ANOTHER rebuild to fix this current rebuild.

    • The Dude says:

      If they’re trying to make a hockey version of the Washington Generals ,then it’s the right direction.

  54. Timo says:

    You can’t even blame losses on injuries anymore because the only significant piece Habs are missing is their #3 defenseman. The “big guns” are all healthy healthy and they are all firing blanks. Instead of practicing idiotic 5 on 0 perhaps these losers should practice target shooting until their worthless hands fall off.

  55. Corson27 says:

    Will HIO fix their mobile site that has been ruined by a so called make-over? can’t read or make comments now on Android. No android app and now the mobile site is useless brilliant, guess us second class Android users should run out an buy an iPhone.

  56. spos080808 says:

    I am sure many people will bring up numerous topics from this game and team in general, but I will keep it to two points:

    (1) Parros/4th line: Another game in which they were all a minus. Parros, specifically is a -5, while only playing an average of 4:30 a game is remarkable. How on earth is that even possible? And how does MT keep dressing him? Yes, injuries play a role in this 4th line, but clearly these guys are not getting it done. If you are not scoring then your job is to make sure no goals are scored against you, yet in minimal ice time this line is getting dominated. Also, MT needs to be aware when on the road the home team has last change, so putting these guys out there for a faceoff is a mistake waiting to happen. And in the games Parros has played and fought, has that even done anything? Staged fights are a joke and bring nothing to the table. Did Parros stop Ottawa from going at Gallagher all game when he went to the net? No, because that is hockey. Why not have some younger guys like Leblanc, etc play on that 4th line? They can play much better defense and bring some offensive zone time as well. Just do not get this and do not get why MT is stubborn.

    (2) Frank the Tank. Guy is a gamer, gives it his all. But he has been brutal all season. To have him on the 2nd PP unit is a joke in itself, so I will not even go there. But after tonight’s -3, he is not a team worst -8, yet is still getting over 17 minutes of ice time a game? SO, let me get this straight, Tinordi or Beaulieu cannot do better than that while bringing either a physical presence or offensive upside to the lineup? Or the kids would make a mistake, but be stapled to the bench, yet Frank keeps getting tossed out there. Like Parros/4th line, this makes no sense.

    I know I was just rambling with my 2 points, but it is so frustrating seeing the failure by the coach to do something about these issues which are severely hurting the team. There is no denying that. When something is constantly not working or a player is severely hurting the team in some manner, you do something or make a change. Yet, nothing is being done with either of these issues. Just does not make any sense to me.

    Anyways, hope you all have calmed down from the game. Cheers.

    • savethepuck says:

      I am not an MT basher by far but I agree 100% with your post.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  57. Timo says:

    I hate this team so much (Habs). F them all. F Therrien, F Subban, F Galchenyuk, F Desharnais. Bunch of good for nothing millionaires.

    Nobody on this team can f#$%ing shoot, nobody except for one player ever bothers to drive the net, nobody can throw a game changing hit. F them all. Hopefully all of their careers will be over sooner rather than later. A f…ing geriatric ward on skates anyway.

  58. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …make PK the Captain of Our Team and You will see the fire return

  59. commandant says:

    Therrien is right… as much as it sucks to lose, if the Habs played as well in every game as they played tonight, we’d win a lot of hockey games.

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  60. Captmax says:

    Okay so tonight was terrible. Even if MT can find positives I think he’s crazy to make such a spin.

    Ellen played fine! EGG was the only line creating offense and the we’re played in all key times bc of this.

    But I am going to make a crazy statement. One that will cause a mad rash of hate I think.

    Trade Gionta.

    He and Plekanecs hardly ever show up. As a captain he’s suppose to lead, set an example but the example he seems to set is “hummf”. Nothing.

    The Habsburg need something and they have been trying everything but the obvious.. Gionta may be great but nobody rallies behind him. He’s not leading by example and he’s not a star. He’s a workhorse who shows up every game but he’s not leading this team to anything but the middle. I don’t see him crash the net like Gallagher or create offensive puck control like Eller has been.

    The Habs need a new Captain and a new spark on the forward lines. Galchenyuk is too green an unsure so we can expect 4 more years of meh, or make a change. Give it to Suban and find a new fire setting forward cause you don’t win cups if you don’t score goals.

    I like the guy he’s just not Captain material anymore.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      I could see Gallagher being the next captain. He’s the only player who had any guts tonight and on a consistent basis. He’s one of the few players who works hard game in and game out.

    • AH says:

      No mad rush of hate here, Gionta is a joke of a captain. Did he even get voted in, or wasn’t he handed it by JM et al? It sucks watching their captain get smashed every game because he’s a stump, and then no one steps in for him either, which is just as bad. And he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with that shot of his.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      I never understood his selection from the start. Nice man. Very likeable and a fine hockey player. But NOT a leader. Not by my definition. There are fiery leaders like Messier and Potvin; and quiet leaders who command by example, like Yzerman and Sakic. Gionta is neither of these.

      But I assure you, he won’t be resigned next season.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  61. Saintpatrick33 says:

    The Walrus has Therrien’s number big time. Out coached once again.

  62. JM says:

    we had a better PP a Better PK Than Ottawa But couldn’t score in a soccer net ….

  63. jols101 says:

    So happy Therrien rushed DD back into the line up. 20% on face offs and 15 minutes of lost ice-time. Meanwhile, LL sent down to Hamilton although he was much more effective then DD.

    Fear not fellow Hab fans, Briere will be returning soon. Boy oh boy, I can’t wait. He’s a game changer…oh wait, it’s not 2005 anymore.

  64. Un Canadien errant says:

    It’s hard to be positive in the maw of a four-game losing streak. The Antichambre boys are saying that we’re at .500, but we’re not, we have eight wins, eight losses, plus an overtime loss. The overtime point really confuses some people.

    There are no easy fixes, it’s not like a tweak here and a shuffle there is the obvious remedy. Most of the forwards have grown cold, and Andrei and P.K. can’t score all the goals. It would be nice to get some offence from Raphaël Diaz on the back end too.

    One defenceman who has received some flak is Douglas Murray, for, of all things, being slow. This is not an instructive observation. Marc Bergevin knew he was slow prior to signing him to a free agent contract this summer. We all knew it, from all the reports we read, and from the few games we saw him play as a Penguin. It’s understood, it’s built into the equation, that’s why he was available so late and so cheap. It’s factored into the risible acquisition cost.

    What he does bring, as we also knew ahead of time, is a lot of toughness and physical play. It was evident in the first period, on two separate occasions that I took note of. One was a good shoulder right in Cory Conacher’s kisser at the opposition blue line, a nice time to stand him up when he wasn’t expecting it, and a nice payback for Chris Neil’s similar hit on Brendan Gallagher earlier in the game. It might not lead to anything tangible, but in the medium term I kind of approve of the concept that opposition teams get the same treatment they dish out to our players.

    Another occasion when he proved his worth was on a whistle in front of Carey Price, with Matt Kassian looming nearby. I readied myself for some vigorous facewashing and goonery from the Sens, but Douglas Murray was standing right in front of him, and the situation diffused of its own accord. It’s productive to consider how the situation might have devolved if Tomas Kaberle and Yannick Weber had been on the ice.

    David Desharnais was back on the ice after a game in the pressbox, and had René Bourque and Michaël Bournival as his wingers. I’d held out hope that a reunion with Max and having René Bourque on his preferred right wing might spark up some of the old David magic, but it’s reasonable to agree that he’s spent all his credit from two seasons ago, and now has to earn it back. He doesn’t get the #1 scoring winger automatically anymore, just based on their chemistry dating back from their Hamilton days. Plus, the way Max is wincing on the ice, I don’t know how much he can do to get Davey going.

    Carey Price was unlucky, unlike his counterpart Robin Lehner who was superb. Carey didn’t really stand a chance on the three goals he allowed, all being scored on deflections or while he was being fronted by Sens, or even his own guys. So his save percentage creeps down again, to .930 on the season, but that’s how that stat works, he’ll have some games with a lot of creampuff saves to fatten his average, and others like tonight with bad bounces and shots he can’t blame himself for letting in.

    For example, the first goal by Bobby Ryan was largely aided by Josh Gorges, apparently busy humping Kyle Turris in front of Carey’s crease. Josh does a few things reasonably well, but a nice attribute for him to have would be enough strength and snarl to move a player like Mr. Turris who is hardly a battleship, but more a frigate. Again, we’re reduced to wondering just how effective can a ‘defensive defenceman’ be if he can’t clear out the front of the net.

    And we might need to have a conversation about George Parros. When his trade was announced, I facetiously offered that he might be a better player than I am. I’m not quite so certain any more. He had a handful of shifts totaling less than three minutes, yet in that limited icetime managed to pick up another goal against. So in five games and twenty minutes of icetime or so, he’s – 5, with no points or shots on goal. Now I understand the reason he was brought on, and was on board with the decision, and the Senators is exactly the kind of team he needs to be in the lineup against, but I kind of thought that with his experience he’d play his limited minutes and limited role and not hurt us while doing so. Or at least, not any more than the average enforcer hurts his team, but this level of poor play is intolerable.

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    • savethepuck says:

      When healthy, the Habs have a 4th line of Prust, Moen, and White. That is a line that should keep everyone happy because they defend teammates, keep other teams honest, and are far from a defensive liability. They basically play even minutes in the right situations while playing close to 10 minutes a game. I hate the fact that we have to employ a 4 minute goon to “protect our players” but is an obvious defensive liability. The Habs are 0-5 with big George in the line-up, yeah he has only played 5 games. It is embarrassing and a black mark on the NHL that teams have to, or at least think they have to, dress players like this. There are other kids that deserve to be making NHL money but don’t because they can’t punch the $#it out of someone. It is a total embarrassment and is the reason I hate NHL hockey but due to my lifetime passion with the Habs, makes me follow my team and hope they do well.

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  65. Castor says:

    I like that Boone called the Bell center “the forum”.

    It’s either senility or, more likely, unconscious pining for better days.

  66. Marc10 says:

    MT has many faults but trying to double up on a lead by throwing the EGG line on is not on him. I think that’s a bit rich. He wants his team to keep the pressure on and sometimes the best defence is more offence.

    Look, if there was Prust with two clones or a line with the second coming of any of Carbo, Gainey, Mike McPhee, Skrudland, Keaner… you wouldn’t have to ask. They’d be on the ice and that would be it.

    Right now, who should the coach put on the ice? We don’t have a line like that and our 4th line…. Ayoye as Michel Bergeron would say…

  67. timothy13 says:

    This has been a bad week so it makes sense that Carey, okay, Scarey, Price would suck and the Habs streak in the L status would continue. Teams love to beat the Habs and embarrass a once glorious team. What was the line that Dryden or whoever said that they did not like to loose. Wow, it has been years that the Montreal Canadiens have produced a winning team. It is too easy to score on Price. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let goals in early and see how much effort the Habs can put together to achieve a come back. I think I shall take up knitting or meditation because paying attention to this team is heart breaking and sad. Halak was a winner in more ways than two points on Tues because he showed the Habs were fools because they traded away a winner. Price has been going down hill since before Halak left. And since politics has returned to the Habs we shall see more loses, that is the BS surrounding PK Subban’s contract. Is it spring yet?

  68. jctremblay says:

    It’s another year of watching a pop gun offense, I’m afraid. Nobody on the Habs forward lines really scare anyone..maybe Gallagher through sheer feistiness and will (love that guy). We’ll have to win a lot of low scoring, one goal games but that’s going to get harder as our D wears out with time. I don’t expect a playoff spot.

  69. HabsStateOfMind says:

    Anybody else concerned that Eller hasn’t scored in 11 games and only has 3 point (1G, 2A) since opening the season with 6points in 3 games. Something’s gotta give, right?

    • habs001 says:

      Eller has never been a point producer or goal scorer at any level of hockey…not sure why so many poster have such high expectations of him as there has never been any track record of him being a consistent point producer…based on his hockey history if the Habs get 45-50 points out of him they should be happy…

      • Saintpatrick33 says:

        If Therrien wouldn’t have broken up the EGG line to get DD going he might be still producing good numbers. Therrien’s obsession of getting the most useless player on the team producing is hurting the team.

    • savethepuck says:

      No

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  70. The Dude says:

    It’s going to be a long decade….hope I’m alive to see another Stanley for Les Tricolour.

  71. Just finished watching the game, that’s funny stuff right there.

    Gary Gally was hilarious in the Markov give away. He says Price made an ill-advised kick save, and then right to the Senator. I guess he didn’t see the perfect pass by Andre into the slot.

    All we can do is laugh now ladies and gentlemen. I feel bad for the fans that have season tickets right now. So hard spending all the money to watch trash on ice.

    OK that last line was posted with emotion. I didn’t mean it.

    Who’s next :lol:

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Andrei had a good game, but that gaffe scrubs a lot of the good things he did.

      • In the end it just didn’t matter as the boys only scored one goal. The bad is starting to outweigh the good, and when fans like us start losing faith, yikes what next?

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Not losing faith, not on Andrei anyway, but it was frustrating to see that clearing attempt by him turn into a “passe sur la palette de Marc Méthot.” Andrei is a high-skill guy, but on this one, with hindsight, and based on his expression right after the goal, he knows he should have pushed the puck in the corner out of harm’s way, not try to clear it through the crease.

          • NOt many want to resign him because we need help in offense (draft picks), but man if we don’t have him back there, who replaces those defense points, and plays? No one. He has to stay. So Bergevin has to find the space, and I see two players for 10 million in Gio and Pleks. I can handle Gio taking off, but I like Pleks.

            Oh well I don’t get paid enough to make those decisions.

            Gooden Night.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Andrei is not replaceable, you can’t find players like that on the trade market or in free agency. He’s not the skater he used to be, but he’s really important to the team’s success, his hockey smarts and on-ice leadership is off the charts.

            I don’t like that he fired his agent Don Meehan though, that doesn’t bode well. I think he wants to stay in Montréal, but I don’t think we’ll get much of a hometown discount from him.

  72. Say Ash says:

    At least PK was better than Karlsson.

  73. Adidess says:

    Am I really first?

    Ok, my soapbox message is ‘MT, get your act together’. You better win, if you’re going to want things one way and be such a hardass about it with your players in the media. You’re not sitting so pretty right now.

  74. Habsrule1 says:

    Christ Dude…I don’t need your insults.
    Murray & Frankie are a bit old & slow. Gorges blocks shot after shot. Diaz I can take him or leave him, but I actually would prefer to see Beaulieu in his spot.

    Try being respectful even when you disagree with someone. You may get more respect that way yourself.

    Go Habs Go!!

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  75. krob1000 says:

    See my problem Iis I think it is all right there…I look atth elineup on paper and think wow. But the kids need to be broken up and a Moen, Prust, White or even DUmont put on each line. The two best puck movers can’t move the puck at the same time.
    That is my issue…I think if the team went the route of Detroit (, Boston and Chicaog who ALL had 4th lines that were also capable of scoring they would be much better off. NOne of those teams including th ebig bad Bruins dressed a fourth line of plugs. They all spread their grit aroudn…wings often play a grinder with Zettergerb and Datsyuk, Bickell normally playswith top linemates and he too would be useless if given bottom pairing linemates, the Bruins have Chris Kelly and Daniell pialle who anchored their fourth. Only the Habs seem tohave this belief that a 4th line can only play 5 mins a game and should have your 3 toughest players on it. Prust and Moen can easily play up, BRiere could center a 4th or Dd could. Spreade the wealth…same on D, It is criminal the more I see it to play Markov and PK together now that Markov is back in top form…..you could have one of them on the ice for 50 minutes a game…that will help every forward and make a transition game exist more than twice as often as it does now.

  76. Eddie says:

    Moen, White, Dumont, Parros, none of these guys can play top line minutes. They just don’t have it.

    I see your point and I agree with it.

    I just think we don’t have the right personnel, other than Prust, to make it work.

  77. Ozmodiar says:

    >I look atth elineup on paper and think wow

    wow good or wow bad?

  78. Ozmodiar says:

    >feel sorry for GALLAGHER and GALLY

    same player

  79. savethepuck says:

    I usually avoid this, but here it goes. When you say “obviously” in your 3rd word I was sure by your user name I was about to be schooled. Then I actually read it. Parros played less than 2 minutes, wow, MT is actually getting better. When he plays 5 minutes, he is a -3 and tonight he was only a -1. I would rather he was eating hot dogs teaching kids how to fight. If you watch Gally play, he doesn’t seem like a little pu__sy that looks around for the defensive liability to come and protect him. He actually has a huge smile on his face when he is getting under the opposition’s skin and be appears to absolutely love it. You obviously were granted tenure 30 years ago to still be considered a professor.

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  80. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    Stop going to the Shire for players…LOL! I’m going to make a tshirt with that on. Back will have your line, front will say, “How do you fix the Habs?” I’m gonna send one each to MB and Geoff Molson for Xmas.

  81. krob1000 says:

    I think Moen can play with two guys as he has done in past…Moen of two years ago could not but last season and this he has played much harder and been much more involved.

  82. Habsrule1 says:

    Don’t get me wrong. I like Bouillon, and he is a great veteran, but he’s not as useful as he once was. I think he’d be a great 7th defenseman….playing every 2 or 3 games, as needed. I also think he’d make a good D coach some day (not sure why I think that, I just do).
    I’m just not sold on Murray. I had really high hopes for him but I’m not seeing the crease clearing quite as much as I’d like to. He has delivered some good hits, but I’m not convinced yet. Again, on a bottom pairing, he’s probably fine.

    All this said, I’m anxious to get Emelin back as well as Tinordi maybe next season.

    I’m not a huge fan of Diaz, but I think Gorges has a place on the team. Nobody sacrifices his body like he does….among the shot block leaders for the past couple seasons, think.

    I agree we need more toughness, but I’d prefer it be coupled with at least a little bit of skill.

    Go Habs Go!!

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