About last night …


Montreal hockey fans, who hadn’t seen St. Louis play on Bell Centre ice since January, 2012, won’t see the Blues again until next season.
Unless, of course, the teams meet in the Stanley Cup final.
Anyone want to bet their kids’ college money on the likelihood of that best-of-seven match-up?

I didn’t think so.

St. Louis is a serious Stanley Cup aspirant.

Your Montreal Canadiens are not.

What the Canadiens are is a gritty, never-say-die team with a core group of  excellent young players who may become the nucleus of a Cup contender one of these years.

But right now – in early November of 2013 – the Canadiens are undermanned and undersized.

They gave the Blues all St. Louis could handle. After an opening period in which the visitors looked to run the guys in red jerseys right out of the Bell Centre, the Canadiens battled back and took a lead they held into the final half of the third period.

But for a fluke goal, the Canadiens could have won the game in regulation. As it is, they came away with a point that might be valuable in April.

They were not, however, the better team in this game. Just look at the possession stats:

Through 65 minutes, St. Louis had 32 shots on Carey Price. The Blues missed the net nine times, and 15 Canadiens skaters combined to block an astonishing 38 shots.

That’s 79 times the puck left the stick of a player in a white jersey.

Comparable numbers for the Canadiens: 27 shots on Jaro Halak, five misses and the Blues blocked 11 for a total of 43.


That’s the football score if Alabama played McGill.

And stretches of the game looked that way. St. Louis is big, fast, skilled and very well coached. The Blues throw the puck around like it’s on a string. And when they lose it, they battle like junkyard dogs to get it back.

The Blues turned the puck over four times. The Canadiens, under relentless pressure, had a dozen giveaways.

Led by their captain, david backes, who had nine hits, St. Louis outwhacked the Canadiens 29-15.

The numbers don’t lie, peeps. St. Louis is good.

Let’s credit the Canadiens who weren’t intimidated by playing against a superior hockey team: Carey Price, Brendan Gallagher, Michaël Bournival, Lars Eller and Rene Bourque all played their hearts out.

Max Pacioretty continues to round into pre-injury form. Alex Galchenyuk, playing centre for his first full game at the pro level, struggled in the faceoff circle (1-6) but made some clever plays and will improve. Andrei Markov made fast, smart decisions with the puck against a team that takes away time and space.

There is no quit in the Canadiens. Despite 79 man-games lost to injury at this early stage of the season, with the exception of a 2-0 loss to mighty San Jose, they have yet to be beaten by more than one goal.

Some fine June evening in a year or two or three, we may see Carey Price facing Jaro Halak in a Cup final.

But who will be behind the Canadiens’ bench?

As is his wont, Michel Therrien’s in-game coaching produced a few head-scratchers:

• With the Canadiens nursing a 2-1 lead halfway through the third period, why did the coach deploy George Parros and Ryan White, each of whom was minus-3 in the Canadiens’ loss to Minnesota? The two fourth-liners added to their minus totals on the Chris Stewart goal that tied the game. How did the visiting coach, Ken Hitchcock, get Stewart Derek Roy and Vladimir Sobotka on against Canadiens’ fourth-liners?

• With the score tied 2-2 and the Canadiens on their first power play of the game, what was career AHLer Martin St. Pierre doing on the ice for 1:09 of the two-minut advantage?

• Why was a Norris Trophy-winning defenceman on the bench for the last four minutes of regulation time and most of the OT? Alex Pietrangelo played 30:49 for St. Louis, while P.K. Subban played 20:52.

Yes, P.K. was on the ice for Stewart’s game-tying goal. He was also on, and drew an assist, on the Rene Bourque goal that got the Canadiens back into the game.

P.K. had lessToI than either Josh Gorges or Raphael Diaz.

Gorges, OK.

But Raphael Diaz, FFS!

P.K. played only five minutes more than Douglas Murray and 55 seconds more than Francis Bouillon.

Murray! Bouillon!!


Montreal sports talk radio will be fun to listen to on Wednesday.


  1. knob says:

    Boys vs Men last night. Giving up 79 shots and trying to simply “hang-on” for a point…that is no way to play hockey.

    MB – time to look at the picture from 40,000 feet away; if there are players that you don’t expect to be on this team in 3 years (hopefully when our young guns become really good young guns) it is time to move them. The vets on this team are not going to bring us a cup so we have to wait on the young guys, so start now.

    MT: are you insane man? You should be playing that stud 30+ minutes a game (and I don’t mean Bouillon or Diaz). Why do you have the AHLer on the ice in the last ten minutes of a game, including PP time? Why is Parros even playing in a third period when we are playing in a one goal game? WTF goes through your head?

    • krob1000 says:

      10 minutes to go is not too late to be playing that line…where he got beat was the matchup. That is St Louis’ 3rd line but they are a number 2 line on many teams and that was not a good matchup but let’s be honest it was a weak point shot that bounced of several guys and found the net…it was not that line playing really porrly (not that I recall anyway but I do not have PVR)

  2. Castor says:

    This PK thing is now mind boggling.

  3. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    Retro Turd – nobody missed you

  4. krob1000 says:

    Re all of this last 5 minutes crap…..in those last 5 minutes the team did not get scored on, they did not lose becuase Subban was not on the ice…they payled even for OT and those last 5 minutes. PK also looked pretty banged up…he hurt his arm earlier and then when he got hit from behind it wasn’t his head he was favouring….it was that same arm again. The team had its chances to win, Penalty shot , a few good chances from Gallagher,etc. The team played as well as could be expected with so many of their grittier puck retrievers out.

  5. habs-fan-84 says:

    A few thoughts:

    -Absolutely ridiculous to see St. Pierre out there on the PP
    -I hate to say it, because I was really pulling for him, but Parros is a detriment to this team
    -Murray is slow, I mean, REALLY slow, holy crap it’s unbelievable

    • Max says:

      Parros is what he is….a big, lowly skilled player but a good fighter.I don’t know if you noticed but he was a much better player during the first few shifts of his first game before the injury.This is only his second game back after being out for a month.He will be fine once he gets a few more games in and when Prust and Moen come back. He’s a 5 or 6 minute a game guy.

      Murray is definitely slow, but blocks quite a few shots and clears the crease while laying a few thunderous checks and keeping teh other team honest.He is more of a third pairing guy but will be overused because of his physicality and size by a needy hab’s team.

  6. krob1000 says:

    Boone…I think you could include Diaz as someone who played his heart out last night.

  7. ncurrier says:

    Man Games Lost for the Habs including last night’s game now at 84. I’ll be updating my stats on my mangameslost.com site tomorrow morning.

  8. Phil C says:

    I understand people are upset with how Subban is being used. But why the need to rip Diaz and Gorges? Once again, they were effective last night. Diaz finished +1 with 5 blocked shots in over 24 minutes of ice-time against one of the biggest teams in the league, the type of team that Gorges and Diaz are supposed to be ineffective against. Once again they were not on the ice for either goal against. Do they play perfectly? No, but neither do any of the defense, including Subban. They have been reliable most of the time, including last night against the big, bad Blues.

    I think Gorges and Diaz have been a nice success story this season, yet they get nothing but venom and bile from supposely knowledge hockey fans.

    • doc359 says:

      I think anyone that says Gorges isn’t a good defensemen that gives his all for the team to win is out of the minds. And if he is getting big time minutes when he seems to be doing well, I’m fine with it.

      I also really appreciate Diaz’s play. Its smart, if non-physical, hockey that can certainly help win us games. I think when Emelin gets back, with Diaz on the 3rd pairing, we will have a great D-core. But he just should not in anyway be played as a top defensemen, getting more ice time than the current norris winner. Nothing against him, he just isn’t nearly as skilled (nor is almost anyone else in the league)

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Agree with all of your post except the last line…there are very few on here that are knowledgeable…however just enough to make the forum interesting. No disrespect meant all are probably well meaning and are fans of the same team. The people that harp on Gorges and Diaz don’t notice the errors of the other defencemen and when I watch other teams I try and watch how the errors happen. I also PVR most of the Habs games and watch them after the fact to see without emotion how the game unfolded. All the players make mistakes and have giveaways…all players of all teams….the game is about mistakes…even coaches make them…..ie MT last night but Thursday is another crack at it says Rob Ford.

    • Max says:

      Typical hater hab’s fans.Many are only happy when they have something or someone to complain about unfortunately.Love the team but I hate the fans.

    • careysubban3176 says:

      How are they effective when thy are always chasing the puck and you always see them in the defensive zone. So what if they block shots. Its not that hard to do. If not for Price they would look horrible.

      Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  9. smiley says:

    Great comments as always Mr. Boone. But if McGill played Alabama it would be 143-0 and that is with Alabama resting their starters after the first quarter:)
    Parros reminds me of George Laracques-that is not good. I hope PK starts getting the respect that he deserves from MT. This is a once in a generation star. We better not mess this up.
    Price is a stud!

  10. Eddie says:

    Where would this team be without Michael Bournival? Outstanding!

  11. careysubban3176 says:

    I have held my tongue too long about Therrin. I gave him every benefit of the doubt but with what is going with Subban and now with Roy coaching the Avs to a 12-1 record….I am P.O.ed. Therrin is nothing more than a glorified Jacques Martin. At this pace he’s either going to ruin Subban’s development just like Martin almost did in his last year as coach. Or he’s going to run him out of town in which if that happens I hope he would go to the Avs with Roy and stick it to Therrin. P.K. Subban has more talent in his nose hair than Diaz does in his whole body. But why would you call out your best player besides Price when you have have guys like Diaz who ALWAYS gets bumped off the puck, scared to go into the boards, and turns the puck over. Its bull crap that just because your young you can get called out and even if your playing good you still get less ice time than guys like Diaz, Gorges, Gionta etc…who btw can do almost anything bad but won’t get “called out” because they are veterans. Bergevin says he wants Character guys right? Well Therrin has lost his character and its time for him to go before its too late. If he couldn’t win the Cup with Crosby and Malkin, how will he ever win a Cup with these guys. He WON”T!

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  12. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I feel bad for Price today, he played a great game and lost because of a fluke goal. And he is now 0-2 facing his nemesis Halak in his own backyard…

    Oh well, I had fun watching the game, the boys set a new NHL record, so it shows these guys will do what it takes to win…albeit everything but put the puck in the net. But just wait until Chucky becomes more comfortable and Patches regains his form. Pucks will start to go in the net in bunches. And how about that Bournival!

    Also, had Gio slipped that puck under Halak, the game would have been ours, that was a great save by Jaro.

    I am not worried. Lots of bodies coming back and it takes time to regain form. Although Murray will never beat molasses in a race.

    Just wait for the return of Emelin…now THAT is going to change this teams dynamics. 10 game winning streak when he returns.

    Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!

  13. Hobie Hansen says:

    Overall, Montreal didn’t play too badly last night. I was satisfied.

    A few thoughts, Douglas Murray is definitely a 6th/7th defenseman. That was an ugly mistake but hey, mistakes happen. He just didn’t notice Backes at all, he looked up, and was totally surprised. Mental gaff. He did go onto play a pretty good game after that and blocked a ton of shots as well. So I’m going to give him a few more games, I said 10 games when he first came back and it’s been about five so far.

    George Parros. He is a liability anytime he steps on the ice, especially against other teams’ scoring lines. I was pulling for him but he just doesn’t have it. In saying that, playing with St. Pierre or Desharnais is totally not his style. I think he could be camouflaged and somewhat effective while crashing and banging with a full 4th line not consisting of water bugs.

    Speaking of Desharnais and Briere. I thought Montreal played well for stretches last night and it had to do with less Smurfs on the ice. Instead of Desharnais or Briere being bounced off the puck all night, Bournival and Leblanc added a bit more physicality! I really like Bournival, wow, and Leblanc was solid last night, I was happy.

    Good effort all around last night, I think it would have been more even had Emelin, Prust and Moen been in the lineup!

    Go Habs Go!!!

    • Phil C says:

      I was hoping Parros could play 10 minutes a night, as I really like the guy, but he is simply not playing to an NHL level right now, his is simply to slow and unaware. Minnesota was brutal. Again, last night on the tying goal, he simply did not have the foot speed or the positioning to get into the shooting lane, so Shattenkirk was able to make an easy and dangerous shot towards the goal that ended up in the net. Parros should only play against Toronto and Buffalo.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Thanks Hobie. Posts like this is why I come to this site.

      I knew there was a reason.


      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  14. rhino514 says:

    JM sat Subban. Cunneyworth sat Subban. MT has given him a few minutes less in some games.
    He´s already a great Dman, but if you still make mental mistakes you shouldn´t be making, you should lose ice time until you correct the situation. A superstar shouldn´t be treated differently than everyone else. I don´t think it´s anything personal at all by MT.
    I think all of those coaches have been trying to help him be the best that he can be.
    I am confident Subban will be playing longer minutes before too long and when he does he will be a better player for all of these experiences.

  15. scotland says:

    hey retro mikey…..habs are a bad team no doubt. but tooting the maple loafs horn….lol….they have what 4 more points than the 500 habs. got clobbered on sat by nucks and get out shot badly every game.

    funny eh how that is failure in montreal, success in toronto.

  16. jamman says:

    I would have traded all 8 of murrays blocked shots for him to simply ring the puck around the boards instead of gettin pwned by Backes.

  17. The Cat says:

    I dont think shot blocking is stupid, its essential, but it should not be such a massive part of a game plan. Subban should not be blocking shots. Shots should be blocked by forwards around the blue line, but nowhere else. D-men should rarely do it. Let the goalie earn his money.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  18. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Everytime Therrien sent out our fourth line with Parros and St. Pierre on it along with our third D (which is ridiculously bad) against the Blues, it almost felt like he wanted St. Louis to score.

    When Emelin comes back, he´ll probably sit Bouillon instead of Murray who is probably the worst Habs dman since Patrick Traverse.

    Therrien isn´t making mistakes at the moment. He is so obviously hurting this team, it´s a joke.

    I´m not his biggest fan but there´s no way Guy Boucher could be a worse coach for this team.

    • Eddie says:

      If a young player skated like Murray, he would not make a Major Junior team in Canada.

      The reason Murray blocked 8 shots is because he stood in front of the net and didn’t move.

      I like grit. I like toughness. But the man can not skate at a pro level.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Nice scouting report on Murray after 3 games.

      Why do I come to this site?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Eddie says:

        It takes 3 or 4 strides for someone to tell Murray can’t skate. Either you can skate or you can’t.

        Why do you come to this site?

        Maybe you will learn something about skating.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Wow….you have a lot to learn. Different players bring different things. Habs have a need for a physical presence in front of the net. With Emelin out, Murray was a good choice. He’s here for a good time, not a long time….so have a good time.
          The sun can’t shine every day.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Eddie says:

            I posted about his skating?? You chose to reply with an arrogant tone, “why do I come to this site?”

            Do yourself a favor, if you don’t like the site, don’t bother.

            If you don’t like my posts, there’s the door, just keep on walking.

            I don’t need you telling me I have a lot to learn about anything here.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      But MT loves Bou-bou!! He’s warming up to Murray, though.

      3rd pairing will be:
      Murray or Bouillon – Diaz

    • Cal says:

      Guy Boucher and his notorious 1-3-1 hockey? No thanks.

  19. scotland says:

    other than 2-0 loss to sharks the habs have yet to be beaten by more than one goal……? Patrick Roy and the Aves may disagree with with that. 4-1 Aves, Nov.2

    diaz played more than subban? boulion played equal ice time to subban. pk only played 5 more a minutes than murray.

    by by pk. tear a page from patricks roys book. he left the bs in habtown with a power tripping moron coach and went on a team and personal winning streak the likes of which no canadien has experienced since.

  20. Gooooooood MOOOOOOOOOOOrning Troops!

    The Big Bad Blues needed a shoot out to beat the Habs, thats the story.

    This is the time where I’ve read the ALN and said wow he sounds like a disgruntled fan 😆

    The Blues played an amazing first period, and what? Scored on a retarded mistake by Murray, then when the Habs beat them they played catchup all night long an looked normal because of it.

    Bah, they were lucky and they know it!

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    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Exactly! Lucky fluke goal and some key saves by their netminder…that was the difference.

      But holy smokes I was rooting for Pleks to score on that penalty shot! Guess I should have worn my Pleks jersey…blame me 🙂

      Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!

  21. Forum Dog says:

    Some of those stats are definitely problematic. I know there is more going on than numbers, but you need to play your best players when it counts, and Subban is arguably Montreal’s best player. There is no freakin’ way that Diaz and Bouillion should be getting near as much ice as him. It makes no sense. Live and die with your best players.

    And St. Pierre on for half the PP? Do you want to score?! This is the NHL, and you give PP minutes to guys who contribute offensively at the NHL level. St. Pierre does not and has not. I don’t even like seeing Gionta on the PP, and he’s potted 20+ in the league about 6 or 7 times!

    PK is staying quiet, but you know that his ego is getting bruised right now, and there are about 29 other teams that would give him all the money and ice he wanted. Since his asking price is going to be toward the top of the spectrum anyway, there will be little disincentive for a team to table an offer sheet. And if there is any discord between him and the coach/GM, you know he is not going to negotiate an extension in season. Better play this one right MB, ’cause players like Subban don’t come around too often (as most of us can attest).

  22. New says:

    I am reminded of the time I was crossing a channel on a small ferry. Somebody yelled out “look at the whales!” and 1000 people ran to port.

    There was no way the Canadiens should have won that game. There was no way they should have come out with a point. Against the best D in the league they forced mistakes, as many as they themselves made. They held their own and managed to make something out of a gimme game for the Blues.

    I would also note that Hitch was available until about a week before Martin was tossed. Of course he was ineligible due to his place of birth and his lack of tenure on RDS’ AC.

    The Canadiens were remarkable last night.

  23. Strummer says:

    Subban took a puck to the arm early on requiring a trip to the infirmary and was also flattened from behind violently later in the game.

    Perhaps he wasn’t physically good to go in the latter part of the third period
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  24. RetroMikey says:

    Yup, Boone is right.
    This team is average if that.
    Another 2 or 3 years until the team becomes a contender under Bergevin (We heard this before with Gainey at the helm).
    Anybody that thinks this team is going to go far in the playoffs this year is taking crack cocaine as the Mayor Rob Ford is doing in that crappy town in Toronto.
    Glad to be back in Canada after 2 months in Punta Cana!
    Hey what about those Islanders and Maple LAffs, eh?
    Give me a bunch of North American, no good , no skill. but hard gritty players like Toronto and they will play 60 minutes of hockey, not like the small skillfull team like the Habs!
    No surprise that the Habs are going to fight it out for that last 8th position come in April. Sure the kids will improve but its time to move Plekanec, Gionta, Markov too name a few while their stock is still good.
    You can never have enough of young prospects and draft picks to build a winner!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  25. Eddie says:

    After the loss in Calgary, Subban put the blame equally on himself and others, not the coach of course, and stated that the team had not practiced well. He then helped the team bounce back and run off some wins, leading the team with inspired play.

    It was clear to me from Subbans words and actions that he was ready to take a leadership role and run with it. And the team was playing inspired hockey.

    Fast forward a couple of weeks.

    Sure Subban has made some mistakes, as did Markov for example, who had some terrible moments in our defensive end.

    But it’s up to the coach whether he wants to accept Subban’s leadership, and that would mean playing him a ton the last 5 minutes and throughout the overtime. Forget the penalty kill, we’re doing fine there.

    But Therrien does not BELIEVE in Subban’s leadership, at least not yet, and many posters here agree with him, and agree that Subban should not be played in all key situations.

    All this was done in front of the St Louis and Dallas coaches who are both behind the bench in Sochi. Think Subban doesn’t know that?

    It’s not the way I would be running the team, but what do I know any way.

  26. Habfan10912 says:

    Sorry I forgot to wish everyone a good morning. I suck.

    Apologies to SmartDog:

    Which was a bigger head scratcher?

    a) Coach Bowel Movement playing Darche on the powerplay.
    b) Coach Arrogant playing St. Pierre on a power play.

  27. Bim says:

    79 man games lost due to injury…lack of size will do that for you. Better get used to it. It’s not going to change any time soon..or will it? MB…send someone down to Anaheim and checkout their model for drafting new talent. Something’s broken here.

  28. Maritime Ronn says:

    Before reading the comments ( of no panic) this is a long 82 game season – not 48, and there will be many ups and downs and slumps.

    Looking back at the last 82 game, Ottawa secured the 8th spot in the East with 92 points.
    So what did their season look like?

    The Sens started the year 1-5-0.
    To begin November, they went 0-4-1.
    To begin December, they went 1-3-2.
    From January 21 to February 7, they went 0-6-1.
    To begin March, they went 3-5-2 including losing 3 games in a row outright.
    To finish the season, they lost 3 in a row.

    At one point, their record was 7-9-1, then improved to 14-14-4 after 32 games.

    As of this moment, the pace for the 8th spot in the East, presently held by the Habs, is 87 points – meaning only 5 points over .500 hockey.

    Perhaps the panic mode should be delayed until at least the New Year?

    • LTHF says:

      Since becoming GM , MB had made some very good moves but hiring MT as coach wasnt one of them. He had basically a all star team in pitsburg and couldnt keep his job, and if sticks around long enough he will ruin the young players on this team. Diaz was being tossed around like a rag doll, yet the coach kept putting him out there. MT looks as confused on the bench as Martin did. And by the way has Parros had either clear cut decision in his fights to date.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I don’t think people speaking out about the issues with the team is necessarily panicking.
      Most of us take issue with the way this team is being run. That said, if not for the butt end of a stick the Habs win that game IN SPITE of all of it.

  29. Habsrule1 says:

    Step away from the ledge!

    Habs lost in a shootout to a Stanley Cup contender. They very well could have won if not for some bad luck.

    PK should play more. There’s no doubt about that. I wasn’t thrilled with MT’s hiring, but the team has done pretty well under him so far. That said, if MB decides that they could do even better with a better coach, I would not lose any sleep.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  30. Arrow77 says:

    Technically, we should all be happy that we got one point after facing one of the top teams of the league. It’s true, they are contenders and we’re not. The problem is…

    We’ve seen lesser teams beats better teams many times before and it can only happen when your goalie is in top shape. We had that last night and the whole team, while completely overmatched, gave everything they could to stay in the game. That’s why it’s so frustrating when a coach lets his players down like that.

    Subban isn’t just our top defenseman, he’s our top scorer. Why was our top scorer on the bench while we needed a goal? How many teams in the league would even do that? Is he really that terrible on defense and no one can see it?

    And why are we still using our fourth line so late in the game? That line was reliable when Moen and Prust were on it but now, they’re not and that line has been a train wreck ever since.

    And finally, what did Martin St. Pierre ever do to deserve to be on the ice for our first and only powerplay late in the game? He had no chemistry with any of his teammate and I don’t remember him being that close to make the team to begin with. Does Therrien know this isn’t pre-season?

    We were one coach away of winning last night.

  31. Max_a_million says:

    The thing about coaches who don’t play their best players is they get fired. Remember putting Darche on the power play.

    We worry because of Chelios and Roy situations, and how they turned out. Those guys were still getting ice time when they were here though.

  32. gumper says:

    I really wonder if Bergevin is having any of the head-scratching moments the commentariat is having when watching how Therrien coaches a hockey game. I mean, other than faceoffs, St. Pierre was invisible last night, and the entire fourth line threatened to give me a heart attack every time they were on the ice. We had also better learn that PK is injured, otherwise the TOI allotment is beginning to look more and more alike a personal vendetta. The attitude that certain players need to be cut down to size for the benefit of the team might apply to players like Mikael Grabovski, but cannot be applied to star players. Otherwise you end up trading Patrick Roy for Jocelyn Thibault. This whole Therrien vs. Subban thing is making me very nervous, especially since M. Bergevin has already demonstrated that his thought processes are not always completely rational. (I’m thinking here of the DD contract.) Anyway, I pray that Bergevin struggles at least a little with some of Therrien’s decisions. St. Pierre on the PP? Subban benched in the dying minutes of a 2-2 game? Unless he has a broken leg (and even that may not be an excuse, just ask Bobby Baun) PK has to be on the ice in situations like that.
    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

    • Max_a_million says:

      He gave St. Pierre over a minute of power play time late in the game, and PK couldn’t even see the ice when the game is on the line. He’s the best dman in the league!

      Moen contract, Briere contract …

  33. mksness says:

    difference between good and bad teams?
    good teams find ways to win
    bad teams play well enough to lose

    story of the habs for the last few years.

  34. Max_a_million says:

    Does anyone wonder if Desharnais could be better with different coaching?

    He’s been good before, and I understand Cole was underrated in providing space to operate. Still he’s better than he is playing now for sure.

  35. Habfan10912 says:

    Yep. Nothing to see here. Everything is fine. All this made up by us posters and the media. Coach and PK get along great. PK parked in the coaches spot, yada yada yada yada.

    We are all seeing what we are seeing. A lack of ice for the leagues reigning best defenseman. A once confident and cocky PK looking hesitant and in apparent fear of making a mistake, confidence shaky.

    I never liked this hire from day 1 and I’ve never been more convinced the wrong decision was made.
    Who should we have hired I’m sure to get asked?
    Obviously Pat Roy.
    Oh, but he wanted a VP position you will say.
    Well, we have about 15 friggin VP’s anyways, what the heck is the difference with adding another one.
    Water under the bridge.

    I for one am more thankful for PK then ever. Imagine if he wasn’t here and our other young gems, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, and Bournival were subjected to MT’s “teaching moments”.

    BTW – Did anybody ask Mr. Arrogant why the 75 year old journeyman, St. Pierre was on a friggin power play late in the game?

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Team was outplayed in the first, and were fortunate to be down only 1-0. Price played very solid keeping the team in the game. In the second the team seemed to regain its poise and played a nice period of hockey, using their speed to advantage on numerous occasions.

    While overall the Blues outplayed the Habs, we stuck with them and almost came up with the win if not for a triple ricochet shot which eventually wound up in our net.

    Our team didn’t look ready for 4 on 4 hockey, I realize this was our first OT of the season, but we didn’t seem to know how to use our speed in the 4 on 4 scenario.

    Overall happy with the effort of the team. The PK scenario will be stirred all day, but I don’t think he is playing all that well right now. Is it because of MT, not 100% sure, but from a defensive perspective he was not our best dman last night. I think he will break out soon, and i would hope his minutes would follow suit.

    Can’t wait for Emelin’s return, and adding Moen to our 4th line will also help.

    • Bill J says:

      The PK thing, much like the Chucky thing for some time now, and the DD thing on the opposite end of the spectrum…. Is a coaching thing IMO.

      Much like Melanson trying to make Price a Butterfly goalie (Price is a hybrid goalie) to try and make Price better. MT is trying to change Subban, the consequence of this action is resulting in a downgrade.

      Pieterangelo made blunders last night as well, but his coach still recognizes the talent and keeps trusting his Dman, MT with the game on the line chooses to make a point.

      This loss is on MT, no doubt in my mind.

  37. Plekasuares says:

    Ugh if Alabama beat Mcgill 79-43 thats a good game for Mcgill. Habs need to work on shootout. Im hoping for a good win on Thursday!

    • Max_a_million says:

      Pacioretty has terrible numbers in shootout and Pleks too.

      Try PK. Try Bournival who is hot.

      No complaints with Gally and Galy shooting. It’s hard when they haven’t had a shootout all season.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Pleks had to take the penalty shot due to being the last player with the puck when the delay of game occurred. I agree he is not one of our best on shootouts.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          You sure? I thought it was the coaches decision among whoever was on the ice at the time.

          • Bill J says:

            It’s what they expressed on tsn690, that the last player with the puck had to take the shot. Perhaps with this type of penalty shot, this is the required course of action?

            Go Habs Go!

          • Max_a_million says:

            The coach said that he made the decision. It was pretty confusing. I think the ref gave him a choice. Whatever, it pales in comparison to the PK TOI

          • HabinBurlington says:

            THat is what was explained on TSN during the game. Perhaps they were wrong, if so, then UGHH!

  38. Max_a_million says:

    I really think that because Gallagher, Prust, and Bournival are relentless. Galchenyuk, Subban, Price, and Pacioretty are super talented. Gionta, Plekenak, Markov, Gorges savy veterans who know what they are doing. Eller getting strong and pushing hard.

    I think this all comes together to make a bad coach look like he is doing a good job motivating a team. I think almost anyone could motivate this team. He is obviously getting out coached in the game. Last night getting his fourth line into trouble needlessly. It looks like he is really getting outcoached badly, and we are turning back to desperation blocking shots JM hockey instead of trying to control the game and the tempo of the game by deploying the best puck moving d-man in the league maybe … Yikes, it’s frustrating.

  39. Old Bald Bird says:

    Engels talks both about PK’s ice time and whether reporters ask tough questions. He’s puzzled about the former and says they do (sort of) in the latter.

    For those who are totally dismissive on the topic, he is just puzzled about PK, not accusatory.

    Two excerpts (emphasis mine)

    ” … until Marc Bergervin (if he so chooses) puts pen to paper on a new contract that will make Subban a part of this team’s long-term plan … the Canadiens are seemingly unwilling to change the perception that there’s a major rift between Therrien and his superstar (regardless of whether or not that rift actually exists).

    ” … I don’t know the reason. I don’t think this is just about Therrien “guiding Subban” towards the path that makes him even better than he already is. We’d all like to know why, but I’m fairly certain everyone would only be satisfied with things changing.

    ” And they do need to change, because there’s no way for Subban to earn Therrien’s trust if he isn’t given the opportunity to do so. And there’s no way the Canadiens are going to win games against great teams like the Blues with Subban as their fourth defenseman; relegated to a reputation of being a defensive liability when there’s no concrete evidence to support than notion.”

  40. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Condensed ALN: WTFFS

    PK TOI?!?!?

    DD A+

  41. habs-hampton says:

    So our best shootout guy was sitting in the press box, just when we needed him.

  42. RAM_TOUGH says:

    As we get older, the number of nerve cells – or neurons – in the brain decrease. We start with around 100 billion, but in our 20s, this number starts to decline. By 40, we could be losing up
    to 10,000 per day, affecting memory, co-ordination and brain function.

    That’s it MT as lost them all!


    • Max_a_million says:

      PK controls game flow. From the stats that was a huge issue last night. Why not play him, and try to win?
      How can Diaz be considered better and more reliable in any situation that the best defenceman in the league?
      Te number one way to insult a player is take away his ice time. Everyone can see it on the bench. I don’t get what MT is doing. I would like to see a coach who uses his superstar, and lets him develop on the ice.

    • Cal says:

      You sound like your 70.
      Ok, I’m kidding. More like 80.

  43. Bash says:

    There is something about Subban that is off. He doesn’t look composed at all – like he wants to do something and have an impact but lacks confidence. He speeds up in our zone behind the net and rushes out but then slows and passes; he approaches an opposing player in the corner without purpose; he is on the bench in key situations.

    Has MT destroyed the guy’s mojo?
    Is he playing hurt?
    Have other teams “figured him out”?
    Is PK as good as we hoped for?

    Something is rotten!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Max_a_million says:

      over coaching … he isn’t allowed to play his game. It’s good enough to be the best in the world, but not good enough to be exactly the way MT wants him to be. Block shots and sit back. JM hockey is back.

  44. RAM_TOUGH says:

    MB created this shate fest he better get his plunger out & unclog it!


  45. RAM_TOUGH says:

    MT clearly has no clue as how to coach on a NHL level. He has been fired twice & I hope a third time by Christmas. He has no clue who to put on the PP or in a shoot out. Every time is see his ugly mug I want to smack the greasy grin off of it!


  46. petefleet says:

    Chucky should not have played his first full game at centre against one of the best teams in the league. MT should have waited to try him on Ottawa, Florida, or Buffalo. Our best centres have trouble against teams like STL. Bad move. The kid and his linemates did not have a good showing and I think it was for that reason. I do believe that DD should have been in the press box though and I am not a hater. Too much TOI for so little effort/production from him.
    The Parros fight was useless, again. The goal may or may not have gone in otherwise but we’ll never know. it was the same thing last game when a stupid fight shut down a PK rush that may have resulted in a goal.
    Eller did not play well. At least give aways regardless of what the official stat sheet says. He could not hold onto the puck, fought it all night.
    Price played well, as did Diaz and PK, and Bourque and Bournival. We just need that list to triple in lenght like l;ast year and we’ll be fine.
    Wrong year to tank though, McDavid isn’t available till next year’s draft.

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

  47. Cal says:

    Let’s face it ,folks. The Habs as is are nowhere near a Cup contender. The team is blocking more shots lately than JM’s Habs, and that’s a terrible thing. It means the other team is controlling the game. And it’s happening more and more lately.
    All we can do is CHeer on the kids and hope MB moves out the worst players. MT, beyond Markov and PK, has Gorges, Boullion and Diaz playing way too many minutes. Especially pressure me a little and I’ll cough up the puck Diaz. It’s no wonder he blocks a lot of shots. They come from his and Gorges’ blunders.
    He may be a tad slow, but Murray punishes the opposition with checks. He seemed to be the only Hab that threw a check last night.

    • Walmyr says:

      Hello Cal,

      Murray is playing his game…We can’t expect more from him…maybe a couple more weeks when he will be more (fitness) shaped…

      But It’s nice to see Murray stand in front of Price (or Budaj) after the whistle…

      Murray will help our goalies a lot this season helping to clear the crease area…giving them more confidence…and I hope Tinordi will be that guy next season…


  48. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    The Blues are very very good – the kind of team it’s a pleasure to watch against Toronto, Ottawa or Boston. That said, the Habs hung in there.
    The wobbly wheels on the fire the coach bus go round and round, but three straight in a zillion game season will do that. I don’t get what the guy was thinking – makes no sense to me.
    But I don’t think a lot of posters who look at the world in 60 second units are getting it either. If you look for things to get mad at, you’ll find them. PK was winded and wounded last night. When he blocked that shot, it looked bad. That hurt. The other choices? Sometimes I feel like we’re watching preseason tryout/player evaluation coaching. It’s odd.

    We should send DD and Murray to the Blues for Backes. Yup, we should.

    • Cal says:

      Add Diaz to that mix and we’ll get the Blues captain for sure!
      What do you mean the Blues don’t need DD, Murray and Diaz? Oh, the players they have are better than they are? Oh. Dang!

  49. jrs10069 says:

    MT needs to follow his own advice and “keep it simple”. It appears that he’s trying to pull some move / outsmart the other coach which as proven v Maclean during the playoffs, won’t happen no matter how dumb the opposition is.

    Best players get the most icetime period.

    I like the role players but Parros needed to be on the bench the entire game. How in the hell can you justify having him out there in the 3rd? He can’t keep up. Seeing St Pierre on the PP almost caused a brew to fly across my living room. Need to hear MT justify both of those moves, should be funny.

    PK looks hurt. Not as much jump in his step.

    Murray looked more the murray I was expecting. When you’re slow, you have to play smart, he did not.

    Is it just me or do Eller and Pac play like “hogs” ie hold on to pucks that should be passed. Galchenyuk is the opposite. He looked lost last night but agree with the move. Will take some time but he’ll figure it out.

    That penalty shot for delay of game was a fn joke. Actually glad he didn’t score would have been an embarrassment.

    Markov looked like an angry guy on the Bourque goal, need to seem more of that.

    Good news we didn’t see Gionta on the shootout.

    Very furstrating when you lose the game because of the guy behind the bench…I think too many people were blowing sunshine up his ass, dangerous move with a guy like him. Way too cocky.

    Lets hope they stomp the Sens. I could see Parros out for the game when they needed him most.


  50. JF says:

    Diaz is actually good defensively. He rarely ends a game with a minus, and didn’t last night. As for St-Pierre, I imagine he was on the powerplay because he can win faceoffs. He was 67% on the night.

    But the fourth line out protecting a one-goal lead with ten minutes to go – that’s a head-scratcher, especially after their performance against Minnesota. We badly need Moen back. The line is lost without him.

    The shootout sucks. If the game had ended in a tie we’d all have been pretty satisfied. But Therrien needs to reconsider who he sends out. I’ve never seen Pacioretty score.

    I really thought we’d be shut out, so I’m happy we got a point, but Price deserved better.

  51. pmaraw says:

    so, are we tanking?

  52. 2shoes says:

    Therrian has got to go! The sooner the better. There is a reason why he was on AC so long

  53. montreal ace says:

    9 games played last night and 6 were 3 point games, I am glad we were one of the teams that got one.

  54. montreal ace says:

    I agree with most of Mikes comments tonight, but the thing I find funny, is I still feel they were lucky to beat us. They had an intact roster for the most part, we still have injuries of important players. The block shot record surprises me, as the only one I really thought was great was PK’s. Oshie and his SO goal was a perfect shot, coming from so close in, I applaud a play like that. Barret Jackman had a couple of our players, lined up pretty good during the game, and I thought he did not go out of his way to create an injury. The Blues played great hockey tonight, however I still feel they somehow, were a tad lucky lol

  55. Browne says:

    We need a good goal scorer

  56. hockeyrealist says:

    Long time reader, first time commenting. Love the passion pf mtl fans and availability of info. Now…my rant.
    Notice trend of the habs having very tough time making clean breakouts, and therefore no speed or puck support through neutral zone. Seeing repeated cross ice “hail mary”passes through the neutral zone. There is never puck support in any zone really and these long cross ice passes are rarely working. Constantly being out shot and poor puck possession are signs that we are not contending. Luckily the players have a great goalie who gives the team a shot to stay close and players willing to block shots, but they kind of have to since we cannot score or even sustain pressure. Injuries are coming inevitably from this level of shot blocking and as other teams step it up I fear the habs will be exploited even more than they are presently. Comments of how we could have won this game over and over are unfounded, the team looks like they are playing their older, stronger brothers most nights. Alex G is not ready for center. I like the kid and think he will be a legit #1 center in a couple seasons, but he is not strong enough to win draws and too weak defensively to cover the responsibilities. He needs to grow into that position, but for now is best suited on wing and let him focus on learning to score and setup line mates consistently at this level. The defensive side will come, but cannot be rushed and he will get stronger and be dominant at center by the time he is 23. Gallagher is impressive on draws and works like a husky, perhaps he is the better suited kid for center at the present. Will cut myself off, thanks for being patient.

  57. DipsyDoodler says:

    Reading the ALN and comments I assume we got hammered pretty badly.

  58. Propwash says:

    Yup… the season is roughly a 1/4 done and…



  59. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Do you think the Bergevin honeymoon is over yet? At what point do his bad decisions (DD, Briere, Therrien, Murray, etc.) begin to outweigh the lingering bitter taste of Gauthier? I am still hopeful, but he needs a smart move soon to renovate his reputation.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  60. Timo says:

    Ok. Good night everyone. This has been rather disappointing again, but not surprising.

  61. DLN-CH4Life says:

    I can’t help but think that Therrien is holding off Subbans Time on Ice So he can have him full for the second half of the season and the playoffs.
    Also, we can’t forget that nasty sandwitch PK found himself in on that boarding call at the end of the third.
    He got up alright, but who knows if he was nursing something.
    Either way, Big one pointer against such a great team.
    Man those guys are fast.


  62. Timo says:

    Did anyone had that wonderful feeling we were watching a JM team in the third?

  63. Lafrich says:

    Well said Boone. PK’s lack of ice time was very conspicuous. Oh, and Murray is no good. That is all.

    • Timo says:

      Problem is that Habs have 2 top defensemen and 4 7th defensemen. And Michael Therrien.

      When you have that, chances of winning are nicht gut.

      • Lafrich says:

        Actually quite perfectly said. So painful watching them have no clue how to get out of the zone. It seems so easy for other teams. Therrien has got to watch tapes and decise a system, otherwise this group of D will have puckmarks to last a lifetime.

    • The_Truth says:

      PK’s should had more ice time, no doubt, especially in OT, but he isn’t Nick Lidstrom here. He is above average defensively, but certainly not elite. I think Markov is smarter with the puck in his own end and Gorges might even be better, because he keeps it simple.

  64. B says:

    Galchenyuk at center tonight:
    0 points 0 shots -1 and 14% on faceoffs

    –Go Habs Go!–

  65. Timo says:

    Hahah… Therrien thought St. Pierre had a good game. F man, this is ridiculous. Can someone put him out of his misery already?

  66. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    I cannot agree with including Eller as one deserving praise. He played perhaps his worst game this season. Looked jittery with the puck; turned it over repeatedly; and had no jump in his legs.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • CH Marshall says:

      probably worried that MT would bench him again for whatever reason

    • Mike Boone says:

      Stat sheet says Eller had no giveaways. He two SoG, 3 hits and blocked four shots … while playing with linemates not named Alex Galchenyuk or Brendan Gallagher.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        I can’t speak to why it didn’t show on the stat sheet, but I can vividly recall two giveaways he made while trying to carry the puck out of the defensive zone. On one, he stumbled crossing the blueline (sticky paint?) and the puck slid up to a Blues forward. It led to a sustained Blues possession in our end. And he did have a very motivated Bourque on his line who was outplaying Pacieretty. I know you love the golden Dane, but….

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • The_Truth says:

      Eller is a good player, but is overhyped on here. Like Ray ferraro said, he makes a top end 3rd line center. Just doesn’t have the offensive skills as a top two on a legit contender.

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        I heard Ferraro say that, and I totally agree with him. It’s also the same opinion held by Chris Nilan and Sergio M. Nothing wrong with being a very good 3rd line center. Valuable thing to have. But let’s not try to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Not that I am comparing him to a pig, mind you. Lol

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      God, I hate auto-correct. It turned “jittery” into “bitterly” and “no jump” to “in jump.”

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  67. PK’s ice was limited during the most crucial time, he was either hurt, or our coach has no clue.

    tic tic tic

    Hey Mario got a second?

    Yeah Sid come on in .

    He’s got to go Mario.

    OK Sid, consider it done.

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  68. The Jackal says:

    It’s such a shame that the posts seen most often here are the inane, irrational, and asinine variety.

    MT this, MT that.
    Fire MB, trade DD.

    No thought given, just mindless babbling and pure confirmation bias.
    Why did PK play 20 mins? Oh, maybe it’s because PK took a hard shot and had to leave for a couple of minutes. Maybe he also took a very big hit later in the game. Maybe it makes sense to shelter your best player so he doesn’t get injured.

    Not only that, but the Habs played a good game. They could have won, unfortunately they did not. That’s that.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • I’m going with PK was hurt.

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    • Timo says:

      How many times this year have people said “habs played a good game and could have won”? Good teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose close games.

      As far as Therrien goes, while I respect your defending him, your theories on PK utilization are no more plausible than mine. Hence, can be viewed in the same light by posters with the opposite opinion.

      On a night like that what helps is female beach volleyball.

  69. Timo says:

    So apparently Markov dumped Don Meehan as his agent. Did anyone know that? For now, Bergevin doesn’t know who to negotiate with as the identity of the new agent is not known.

  70. FANHABULOUS says:

    Please, for the love of everything holy, can one of you reporters (Subbs/Hickey et al) ask this exact thing of MT:

    ” Why was a Norris Trophy-winning defenceman on the bench for the last four minutes of regulation time and most of the OT? Alex Pietrangelo played 30:49 for St. Louis, while P.K. Subban played 20:52.

    Yes, P.K. was on the ice for Stewart’s game-tying goal. He was also on, and drew an assist, on the Rene Bourque goal that got the Canadiens back into the game.

    P.K. had lessToI than either Josh Gorges or Raphael Diaz.

    Gorges, OK.

    But Raphael Diaz, FFS!

    P.K. played only five minutes more than Douglas Murray and 55 seconds more than Francis Bouillon.

    Murray! Bouillon!!


    Well said Boone, well said. No please, ask MT this for us!

    “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

    • Timo says:

      I think it has been established that they can’t. Jessica Rusnak has more balls than the entire male reporter cohort at Bell.

      • SUMO says:

        Do the teams have a right to blacklist certain reporters? I know with the mainstream media you need a press pass to attend press briefings. So reporters who ask too many “tough” questions could have their press pass revoked.

        Notice Jessica Rusnack has not asked anything really more probing since questioning Jacques Martin about Eric Cole’s PP time?

        • Timo says:

          Boone very enthusiastically claimed the other day that there is no such thing as pre-screened questions. I am 100% sure that these guys are fretting over their passes to the locker room (god forbid they miss a cliche answer from Gorges) and hence would not risk asking a “touchy” question. Can’t really blame them that much since these are pretty cushy comfortable gigs they’ve got going, but then really… which one of us can’t be a reporter then?

        • Mike Boone says:

          No one has ever had press credentials revoked.

          Mike Boone
          Hockey Inside/Out blogger

        • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

          They don’t pull press passes. But they will begin to ignore you in the scrum. You can stand there waving like a drowning man, and they’ll point to the reporter behind you.

          Nevertheless, I do find the reporters covering the pressers to be incredibly tame. It’s like the Dick Cheney days.

          I remember Dec. 31, 1975

      • SmartDog says:

        I think she asked a very riveting question about how he chooses shoot-out shooters. Compelling stuff.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • Timo says:

          I liked her other question “Was inability to generate offense in OT a result of not having played much in OT this season”… a polite way to ask how come your team totally sucked in overtime. She has learned her lesson.

          • SmartDog says:

            I liked her third (most subtle) question:
            “Are you looking for another high draft pick at the end of the year – is that part of your strategy?”
            Good one.
            Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

          • Timo says:

            Come on, she didn’t really ask that.

  71. PeterD says:

    Therrien’s coaching is going to ruin what could have been a pretty good season.
    Hopefully PK can withstand the lack of respect his coaches show him.

  72. slyCH says:

    It’s sad one can see the D playing on it’s heals and D zone in the 3rd just from reading the box score on the NHL app. I knew it from the shot count quickly climbing in Blues favor by the mid 3rd. Oh well, I got bigger things on my mind, like a double shift tomorrow. I’m off to dream of that 1 point.

  73. And another thing lol

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  74. So the big bad Blues needed a shootout, a joke that’s what they were. Next time boys!

    EDIT: Now that’s brisk baby!

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    • The_Truth says:

      The Blues are no Joke. I really think they didn’t take the Habs too seriously after a long flight. They did what they needed to do to win. It took the Habs to set a blocked shot record to keep the game close.

      Blues have size, speed, skill, good goaltending and super defense and coaching. A true contender. If they ever faced the Habs in the playoffs, it would be a 4 game sweep, I would put money on that.

  75. So the big bad Blues needed a shootout, a joke that’s what they were. Next time boys!

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