About last night …

DDColo

Clocks get turned back in the wee hours of Sunday morning.
Too bad it’s only hour.
Your Montreal Canadiens might want to turn the calendar back to mid-October, when they won three of four games in western Canada.
The U.S. is not as hospitable.
Venturing out of their time zone for the second time this season, the Canadiens lost back-to-back games in Minnesota and Colorado.

As the second month of the season begins, the Canadiens limp home with an 8-7 record. They are  fifth in the Atlantic Division, second, behind Boston, in the wild-card standings.

It’s way too early in the season to start fretting about playoff seedings. And it’s hard to get a fix on where the Canadiens fit into the Eastern Conference power structure, since 11 of their 15 games have been against teams in the Western Conference.

That’s about to change. The November schedule includes games against Ottawa, the Islanders, Tampa Bay, Columbus, the Rangers, Washington (twice), Pittsburgh, Buffalo and the Leafs.

But before getting into the meat of that schedule, there’s one more game against the West. Tuesday night, St. Louis visits the Bell Centre for the first time since Jan. 12, 2012.

The Blues ran a clinic in that game. The 3-0 score in favour of the visitors flattered the Canadiens, who barely touched the puck all night, rarely troubled Jaro Halak and were held to a measly 19 shots on goal … in their own barn.

It was a different Canadiens team, en route to a last-place finish that sealed the fates of general manager Pierre Gauthier and coach Randy Cunneyworth, who had replaced Jacques Martin.

The lineup included Mike Cammalleri, Chris Campoli, Tomas Kaberle, Andrei Kostitsyn, Mathieu Darche, Erik Cole and Hal Gill.

David Desharnais played 18:29 against the visiting Blues that night.

What’s the over/under on DD’s ice time Tuesday night?

Desharnais played 14:20 in Colorado. He was benched for most of the third period as Michel Therrien juggled his lines in search of an offensive spark.

Alex Galchenyuk was moved to centre, between Brendan Gallagher and Max Pacioretty. I thought they were the Canadiens’ best forwards in the third period, especially once Max-Pac shook off the rust of his eight-game absence.

Lars Eller centred Rene Bourque and Louis Leblanc. Michaël Bournival bounced around a few lines but ended the game back with Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta.

The Canadiens had 30 shots on J-S Giguère, but at no point was the Colorado goaltender subjected to sustained pressure – except for some late-game shifts by the Galchenyuk line. The Avalanche has no stars on the blueline – and were second-guessed for not drafting homeboy Seth Jones – but there was enough size and skill to prevent the Canadiens from harassing Giguère.

It was a different story at the other end of the ice. Colorado has used its high draft picks to select gifted young forwards, and Gabriel Landeskog, Matt Duchene, Paul Statstny, Ryan O’Reilly and Nathan MacKinnon won puck battles and wreaked havoc aroudn Peter Budaj for long stretches of the game.

P.K. Subban and Andrei Markov, the Canadiens’ top defence pairing, were each minus-3 on the game, as was Lars Eller. The Subban turnover that became O’Reilly’s goal was a dagger in any hopes for a third-period comeback.

P.K. has been out of sorts in recent games. He hasn’t been strong in the Canadiens’ end, displaying defensive lacuna that bolster the case for leaving a Norris Trophy winner off Canada’s Olympic team.

Perhaps P.K. is nursing an injury. Or chafing under the coaching staff’s efforts to purge spontaneity and energy from his game.

The drop-off from Subban-Markov to the rest of the D is precipitous. Josh Gorges was steady on the weekend road trip, but Raphael Diaz was vulnerable to Minnesota and Colorado’s physical forecheck; while Francis Bouillon and Douglas Murray are willing warriors who, nonetheless, would be seventh or eighth defencemen on elite teams.

Alexei Emelin can’t get back soon enough – but the Russian Tank won’t be back against St. Louis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

651 Comments

  1. LionHeartCH says:

    First-time member here, and glad to have joined a website completely dedicated to the greatest hockey team in the world, the Montréal Canadiens. Here’s to a solid season, and we will win our 25th Cup very soon.

    One thought about Therrien moving Galchenyuk back to centre, between Pacioretty and Gallagher. I remember Therrien actually put them together mid-way through the 3rd period on Feb 9 in that humiliating game against the Leafs. When I saw Pacioretty in Prust’s spot on that line, I thought “This is the line of the future for the Habs.” Now that they’re back together, I’m thinking that again. Imagine 3 years down the road, when we are consistent Cup contenders (according to Bergevin’s plan), Galchenyuk is the 1st line centre we are hoping he’ll become, setting up the sharpshooter in Pacioretty and Gallagher cleaning up the rebounds in front of the opposing net.

    We will get a small glimpse of this on Tuesday against the Blues. Hope we come away with a solid victory.

    Rise together, to reclaim the Cup.

  2. bandaide says:

    Prolly gonna get shot down….hope not but I found PK’s game last night to be erratic at times and he battled the puck and made some errant passes in that game and was out of position I love him think he is a star in the making I say this because when he does hit his full potential he WILL be all world class but he still makes mistakes and i think till we are 100 percent healthy we will be a force right now MT has alot to deal with with underperforming DD a sort of energy line that has maybe 20% energy was better with white and bournie hunting the prey and defense pairings that make me nervous alas PK wll be fine \im sure MT and MB love him but I actually dont like his rushes reminds me of my last year sons peewee defense rushing and having forwards cover since they disdnt pass on those rushes \id rather see crisp breakouts than rushes that amount to nothing in the end except wow he is that good but what do the other 5 guys do if they could plan some pays around the rushes it would be better served anywho have a nice night HIO
    Shel.

  3. RAM_TOUGH says:

    Yup, when PK leaves he will taking Carey Price with him!

    Guts-Glory-Ram

  4. punkster says:

    OK, I kid…but this incessant fear mongering by some here is just working people into a lather.

    Sometimes the worst trolls are the ones in our midst.

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  5. punkster says:

    MB better act fast before this blows up…time to trade PK.

    Trade him while his value is high.

    DO IT PG…oops I mean…DO IT MB!!!

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  6. Chris says:

    By the way, did anybody else get frustrated when Parros dropped the gloves for his pointless fight in the first period last night? When he did it, Subban had the puck and was racing into the offensive zone on what could have been a decent offensive chance. Instead, it was a wasted rush so that two goons could dance for 20 seconds.

    Bah, humbug.

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  8. habsgod says:

    i really fear that we are going to lose pk subban…unless bergevin steps in and acts immediately to this situation as posters have said we can find a coach anywhere but we haven’t had a pk subban in years (chris chelios) was the last if bergevin trades subban he’ll get fleeced in he deal and we’ll be luaghing stocks of the league quickly …if that’s the case geoff molson better step up and tell bergevin that if he doesn’t fire therrien he’ll lose his job and pierre macguire will be on the 1st plane to mtl,he also doesn’t need to consult serge savard about that,if molson needs advice he should call scotty bowman and ask him what he thinks,because bowman has more hockey knowledge and smarts than savard will ever have in his lifetime

  9. Chris says:

    People…P.K. will be fine. He’s not the first star player that has had a coach be “hard” on him. Look no further than the treatment of 10 year veteran and team captain Steve Yzerman for the first few years of his partnership with Bowman. THAT was an ugly relationship that almost resulted in Yzerman’s being traded. Bowman was always frustrated with Yzerman, and Yzerman detested Bowman.

    Don’t think for a second that notorious dictatorial coaches like Dick Irvin (who was frequently on the edge of getting into physical fights with his players) or Scotty Bowman (whose authoritarian ways and belittling of his players had him universally despised by his players) would have treated Subban with kid gloves.

    I think Therrien is not using Subban optimally. I also recognize that Therrien could not shine the shoes of Bowman or Irvin. But I don’t buy into all this crap that it is affecting Subban’s play. Subban is an extremely outgoing guy who features a very healthy ego and no lack of self-confidence. He’s not going to get beaten down by Michel Therrien.

    Subban is struggling right now, but I think it has far more to do with either his conditioning or his health. I can’t remember seeing Subban get caught very often last season by forecheckers. It is happening nightly this season…he looks to have lost a step. He may just be playing too heavy from bulking up and will play himself into more optimal skating shape as the season wears on (we’re not even at the Gelling Point ™!) or whatever is bugging him will clear up. I’m not worried either way.

    • Max_a_million says:

      it was a different time when organization owned players.
      I don’t think it’s affecting his play, but it sure could affect his choice when contract negotiations take place.

      • Chris says:

        It might. Or, he could decide to stick it to all of his detractors and ramp up his play and vie for another Norris Trophy.

        I’m betting on the latter, personally. Yzerman was free to leave, but he stuck it out and eventually found a detente with Bowman and was viewed as one of the best leaders and two-way forwards in the NHL.

        Jaroslav Halak and Ken Hitchcock were at war, according to the media, last season. Yet Halak stayed in St. Louis for the summer (his first year not returning to Slovakia in the off-season) and entered the season as Hitchcock’s choice for the #1 position. Hitchcock has given Halak the ball (starting 10 of the Blues’ 12 games). Players and coaches have disagreements, but at the end of the day these are professional athletes and coaches.

        • Max_a_million says:

          You can only take someone crapping on you so much.

          It’s not fair, balanced, motivational … it’s venomous and nasty and just too much. It’s going to Tremblay and Roy status needlessly.

      • chemic says:

        RFA….it means restricited free agent. look it up

        • Max_a_million says:

          You can take a one year deal, and leave after the year is up.
          You can hold out, and force a trade.
          You can demand a trade, and cause a problem in the room.
          There are ways for sure.

    • Captain Pike says:

      *beep*

    • punkster says:

      Good man Chris.

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
      but…
      ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

    • mksness says:

      if only every other player on the habs that struggled could still be productive and create offence this team would be in first place. I still think pk’s speed and skating have looked really good this year. yesterday turn over wasn’t a result of him being injured; he just messed up a play.

      MT should learn to keep his mouth shut with the media ad focus on positive thinks. calling out players in the media will just shorten his tenor here in mtl.

    • habsgod says:

      your right chris alot of the habs players detested bowman too but he always knew how to get them to win and play but i fear that therrien has alterior motives when it comes to pk it’s clear he doesn’t like him and singles him out and praises the dud desharnais and others,(but never praises pk),but when they deserve to be called out too bergevin’s got a mess on his hands here and he better step up and deal with (by firing therrein) if not then geoff molson needs to step in and tell bergevin, and force him to do it or tell him he’ll be fired and macguire will be taking over i guarantee you therrien will be gone if geoff molson does this.

  10. Thurston says:

    Martin St. Pierre just recalled from Hamilton.

    • jols101 says:

      Interesting. DD getting an opportunity to enjoy a couple of hot dogs in the press box?

    • Chris says:

      This makes me very happy. St. Pierre is a great guy. Got to see a lot of him here in Guelph when he led the Storm in their battles with Corey Perry’s London Knights in the OHL.

      He’s one of those unfortunate guys that isn’t quite good enough to be a top-6 forward in the NHL but is probably too good to excel on the third or fourth line. Regardless, it would be great to see him get a shot to play even one game with the Habs…he was a hard worker with a great attitude in junior and he was well-liked by just about everybody who met him.

  11. SmartDog says:

    I have this feeling that those people who are saying Therrien is handling PK well are the same people who insisted Gomez was a good Hab.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Mark C says:

      I have a feeling that the people who think MT is a bad coach are the same people who thought Guy Boucher and Kirk Muller would be great head coaches and blamed the Habs for not opening the head coaching position for them.

      • Max_a_million says:

        Uggghhh … we could have had Patrick Roy, and didn’t learn the first time we parted ways with him. He has a bad temper. :-(
        He yells at other coaches, which isn’t very sportsmanlike.
        He doesn’t make a lot of friends or dress pretty like Marc Bergevin.
        He just wants to rip the heart out of every opponent he has ever played against. :-(
        MT just wants to rip the heart out of our biggest super star since 1995

        • Mark C says:

          The same things currently being said about Patty were said about Guy and Kirk and they’ve done nothing. Wake me up when Roy wins something as a head coach. MT turned this team around last year and now people want him canned in less than one full season. I’m glad Roy isn’t here, at least it saves us from having to hear fans demanding is firing after every two game losing streak.

    • jols101 says:

      Or that DD should still have a place in the line-up.

  12. 25insight says:

    Galchenyuk centering Gallagher and Pacces last night was very dominant, I don’t see any reason to split them up or not give them a shot to see how they do.

    Eller will have no problem centering another line, the guy is good enough to play a great two way game and create chances in the offensive end with whichever line mates he has. Plus, it would be nice to see Bourque get to play with Eller instead of Deshairnais, and maybe if we’re lucky enough DD will end up in the press box.

    1st line Pacioretty – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
    2nd line Bournival – Plekanec – Gio
    3rd line Bourque – Eller – Leblanc
    4th line Parros – White – Blunden

    Untill Prust, Briere and Moen come back. Desharnais needs to sit out untill he understands that we has to show up and play. Same thing we did with ELLER last year he didn’t play 3 games was left on the press box, is Desharnais being treated like a god just because he’s Quebecois, Was playing on the power play yesterday, I was wondering WOW how many chances is this guy going to have…

  13. habsguru says:

    cant find footage of MT’s presser from last night (in english), anybody have a link?

  14. BCG says:

    Seems like the comments are between Therrien and PK.

    So – if given a choice, who would you keep? Therrien or PK Subban? I know my answer – Subban. Coaches are a dime a dozen. Subban is not.

  15. Max_a_million says:

    For anyone looking at the coach’s comments last night. For some reason the English comments are much harsher than the French ones. Although neither is very cool.

  16. HABSFAN7 says:

    I have a friend who is friends with someone inside the Leafs organization and the rumour is that PK wants out of Montreal and the Leafs are looking to make a PK for Phaneuf deal. Yikes!
    This is not something I would ever want. I think PK is a far superior player with a higher ceiling. Having said that, I guess anything is possible. If MB doesn’t sign PK before the season’s end, I would think PK will not be around next year. I hope I am wrong.
    PK definitely has not been playing his best hockey the last 2-3 games. Something has got to be up.

  17. Max_a_million says:

    PK set up the Gallagher goal, and set up Galchenyuk for an empty netter. I didn’t hear about that in the coach’s comments???

    • jols101 says:

      I love Subban too but that empty netter he set Galchenyuk up with was 3 or 4 feet in the air. Not easy to convert.

      • Max_a_million says:

        You can nit pick as much as you want here and there. The point is he creates a lot of our offense, and is the Norris trophy winner. Yet, every night it’s the same thing. I was ready to be a MT fan, ready to accept him. Every night I hear the Coach’s comments, and the guy is relentless not motivational. A lot of people besides me are hearing it as well. It’s going to be MT or Subban soon with the way he continually craps on him.

        His English response is much much worse than his French response last night. Maybe he is jerkier in English. Unfortunately PK speaks English, so he might be misconstruing how jerky his coach is.

  18. frontenac1 says:

    Any updates on Anderson? Man, off on a stretcher?

  19. Max_a_million says:

    Hey Murray went for a big hit that led to a goal. That wasn’t in the coach’s comments???

    • Phil C says:

      You are harder on the people that you know you have more to give. PK is just scratching the surface of his potential, and Therrien knows it. You are not going to squeeze much more out of Murray, you get what you get, that’s why he’s on the third pairing.

      My guess is that every night, Therrien puts on his number 76 Official Montreal Canadiens pajamas and kisses his bedside picture of PK before going to bed because he knows Subban is his golden ticket if he can get him to play to his full potential.

      • Max_a_million says:

        You’d think he would play him in the last two minutes of a game instead of Diaz if that were the case.

        • Phil C says:

          Of all the things Therrien has done and said about PK, this is the one I have no answer for. It is a head-scratcher. Diaz has been really reliable and consistent in his own end this season, but I would still go with PK in most cases. I would love for someone to ask him the question, a la Jessica Rusnak and Jacques Martin about Darche instead of Cole on the PP.

  20. Max_a_million says:

    Oh great on RDS Marc Bergevin tried to sell me a Ford, and MT is the star of October … egad!

  21. frontenac1 says:

    @vanchab. Got 8 on each hand in front of the class. The teacher set me up. No big deal, the teacher hated me and I hated her. The principal and her ended up getting “moved” because the were screwing. Hilarious really.

  22. CH Marshall says:

    Can we argue about Price now? jk

  23. Max_a_million says:

    Bouillon was far away from his coverage on a goal last night. He didn’t cost us the game???

  24. jols101 says:

    Interesting how the Canadiens official website on NHL.com doesn’t have the video up for Therrien’s post-game presser. After every game they post 3 or 4 player pressers and always post the coaches’ media scrum. I just heard what he said about Subban on the radio but I hear he looked visibly upset during the presser as well. Too bad they didn’t post it. I wonder why?

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Torts has instilled N.A.G in the Sedins! They were Bangin” and Crashin” last night.

  26. jrshabs1 says:

    Diaz get’s called out by Boone in almost every ALN…somehow Diaz still gets love from the HIO faithful? I see what Boone see’s..I have no idea what some of the HIO posters see in Diaz? Maybe Diaz uses the Jedi mind trick…

    Go Habs Go!!

    • Phil C says:

      Diaz has been playing over 20 minutes a night, the third highest on the team, including 1st pairing PK against the other team’s best PP units. Despite this, he has only been on the ice for 2 PPGA in over 45 minutes of PK time. In 15 games, he has only been scored on 6 times at even strength. He also has chipped in 6 points. How much better would you want him to be?

  27. JM says:

    So what kind of a measuring stick are we going to use TUESDAY?

  28. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    Matty, calling someone out in front of his peers is one thing, and rarely works unless you are vocalizing something that everybody’s thinking (I’m a teacher too),but calling someone out, not to their face but in front of a slobbering bunch of journalists who are going to run wild with the story is bullcrap.

  29. frontenac1 says:

    @kootch. The teachers that were hardest on me got it right back at them. Maybe that’s why I got the strap in grade 4. Helped for awhile anyway,until highschool. That’s another story,

  30. Phil C says:

    Having watched a few of Therrien’s press conferences, I think he could benefit from some media training. Part of the problem is that Therrien tends to just answer the questions as truthfully as possible as they are directed at him. While I appreciate the honesty and earnestness of this approach, the problem is that he loses control of the message, as those asking the questions end up controlling what is said publicly. For example on the “PK made a bad pinch” comment, that was so criticized here and elsewhere in the media, was the result of a direct question in which the reporter asked “Don’t you think PK made a bad pinch in that situation?” It’s not like Therrien came out and decided he wanted to single out PK or that particular play, but that’s how it ends up sounding.

    Instead, he should decide what the message will be before he steps onto the podium. Then when the questions are asked, he delivers the message he wants, regardless of the question asked. That way, he retains control. So when the reporter asks about a bad pinch, the coach can segway into his message instead of just answering the question directly. He could say, it’s not just about a bad pinch, its about all good teams must learn how to play with a lead, not get too aggressive or too passive. How to play with a lead is something we will discuss as a group, bla, bla, bla, etc, etc etc.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Last night he we was asked what he thought of the game. He thought everyone played well and created offensive opportunites. Except one certain defneceman cost us the game. He missed coverage and then made a bad pass. It was clear what cost them the game. All his words, and no one asked about PK

      • Phil C says:

        C’mon Max, that was a brutal performance by PK last night. Those were two lazy errors that squandered a otherwise great team effort. I can’t imagine any NHL coach ignoring it in the press conference . It’s one thing when the criticism is not deserved, but are you suggesting that Therrien’s comments were unfair?

        • Max_a_million says:

          They never end, and it’s always just PK. He just won’t let it go.

          Lots of people didn’t play that well last night. You don’t blame your superstar all the time like he does. You don’t shut him up like he does on 24CH. Pk does a lot more super incredibly good than he does badly. That’s for sure. Never does PK get the praise that the kids do, or Price or any one else.

          Who should be in the game with the game on the line: Diaz or Subban? I’m not an NHL coach, and I know that answer.

          PK also gave us much of our offense last night.

          Have you heard the coach’s comments?

          • Phil C says:

            I watched his presser on RDS. I guess I’m not as outraged by his comments as you are because I agree with his take on the game. Those two plays were the difference, as once Colorado got the lead, it was all over. Those are the types of errors that have Tinordi riding the bus in Hamilton instead of being a star in Montreal.

  31. mysterycog says:

    All this Fire Therrien stuff is just insane…Gets us from bottom to top last season..keeps the team competitive despite all the injuries..and they lose 2 games against 2 of the best in the league…and not by much more than one bad play or a lucky bounce..and Bam under the Bus..No wonder no one wants to be here..it’s a long long long season..ups and down’s ahead.. The Leaf’s haven’t even started to Suck yet…Give it time and remember BREATHE!!!

    • The Jackal says:

      Amen!!!

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      • VancouverHab says:

        Jackal, I took my lumps from you on this before in stride, and in respect of that I will leave out mention of MT’s motivation. But you are just wrong here. Wrong with a good heart but still wrong.

        Therrien has personality issues (refer back to the famous Pittsburgh rant), and he has antipathy to Subban. He doesn’t praise him, he doesn’t play him meritoriously, and he dumps on him outrageously in public.

        Just one example at random. He dumped on Subban last night. Subban gave the puck away to a player who scored. Now, is there another Habs defenseman–a close personal friend of Therrien’s and a fellow francophone–who does that, and worse, REPEATEDLY all game long and game in and game out, and who doesn’t get a peep of criticism–but gets powerplay time and closing minutes time?

        Why yes, there is.

        MT will cause us to lose Subban. You heard it here first.

    • Phil C says:

      A lot of people have already decided they don’t like Therrien, so they take every opportunity to take a shot at him. It is the same thing with Diaz. Even though he has played solid hockey for most of the year so far, every time he makes a mistake there is a chorus of posts about how bad the guy is.

  32. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Bolland out. Leafs need a center. DD is a center. DD to Leafs for anyone. Done!

    • Strummer says:

      They will never move Day-R-Nay with that contract term

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  33. SmartDog says:

    Let’s have a simple show of hands:

    Is it true that Subban seems to be a bit of a whipping boy for Therrien to a degree that makes you wonder about his possible affect on PK’s play? Do you agree this is seriously out of step with how Therrien treats certain other players, who contribute little but don’t get blamed for it?

    A simple YES or NO… add qualifiers if you need.

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    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      I say Yay, but I don’t like Therrien.

    • VancouverHab says:

      YES.

      And he’s Therrien’s whipping boy (and Cube, to complete the metaphor, is the Prince) AND his punching bag.

    • The Jackal says:

      No matter how many “yes” answers, the right answer is NO.
      You can see justification in other posts.
      Stop speculating on this non-issue.

      ______________________
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    • Phil C says:

      No. If anything, after last night, Therrien needs to ramp up the tough love. Those were two lazy errors that squandered a great team effort. Not surprising from a young defensemen, but still not acceptable. Therrien’s job is to get PK ready to play every night, not to mollycoddle his ego. He was not ready to play last night, those who think otherwise are ignoring the obvious. It even bugged me a few times earlier in the game when he was too non-chalant with his retrieval of the puck and his D-to-D pass. Therrien simply can’t allow PK to let bad habits seep into his game. That’s why these guys need coaches.

  34. JM says:

    This team will play good all year. If you are looking for anymore. Forget it. Believe it or not they’re not that good. Therrien maybe some of the problem I don’t know one thing I do know he has a team that won’t beat too many of the Good teams. They are a team that could make the playoffs But they won’t survive a round.

    Why don’t MT put players in their natural position. Galchenyuk on the wing is a waste. Put him at center with Bournival and Gallagher.
    Put Pacioretty with Pleks and Gionta. They had good Chemistry together before. Bourque and Eller and who ever they think would play good beside them. These moves won’t make the team worse …

  35. Max_a_million says:

    I listen to the coach’s comments every night after the game. The only guy he routinely craps on is PK. The only guy he never praises is PK. You catch snippets of it on 24CH. The guy has been seriously crossing the line. We are going to get into dangerous Tremblay vrs. Roy territory here if this keeps up. Last night was so bad. he directly blamed the loss on PK, everyone else played good except PK. It’s going to be fire Therrien or Lose PK. A crap coach is replaceable, PK Subban is not.
    FIRE THERRIEN NOW!

    • Mattyleg says:

      How do you know how PK feels about it?
      I think he likes it.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • The Jackal says:

      Dude, you’re wrong.
      No, MT does not exclusively harp on PK.
      He has criticized players other than PK for making mistakes, and you know what, he has also praised PK for taking the next step in his development.

      What do you think, that a coach who dislikes the guy will play him as much as he gets played?
      Do you know it’s not always best to play him? Because sometimes there may be a better match up or he may be better off rested.

      Why on earth are you jumping to such an unsupported conclusion? PK and MT is the new Roy and Tremblay. Give me a break!
      Perhaps MT is hard on PK because MT KNOWS PK can be better, and he wants his best player to be the best he can be. Maybe his abrasive style comes off as negative, but then again, is it really negative if it motivated PK to play the best season of his young career?

      PK is a guy with thick skin, who wants to be the best, and he himself is probably his harshest critic. When MT points out the mistakes he made, which unfortunately did result in 2 goals, and we only scored one, so go figure, it is not throwing PK under the bus. PK knows he messed up and he will be better. MT is not ruining him.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Max_a_million says:

        He made it very clear. It’s Therrien’s words. His own words support my position. Lots of players did nothing last night. PK was the only one singled out for being terrible. The guy was creating scoring for us. He should be playing about 4 more minutes a night. If we keep MT, we will lose PK. You can’t keep that up.
        I listen the press conferences every night. PK is always crapped on, and no one else is. The other people who listen to such things agree. The jaw dropped on the radio people last night listening to it. Brian Wilde wrote an article on it. Eric Engles wrote about it. Tony Mariano can’t stop talking about it … hardly unsupported

  36. Ncognito says:

    @Front
    Chargers score 2 TD’s in last couple minutes to pull out the win.

    or maybe not – Relplay shows ball did not break the plane.

    Field goal makes it 24 -24. On to OT

  37. Mattyleg says:

    In related news, I was a high-school teacher for a number of years.
    Most of my classes were very, very tough, teaching spoilt and rambunctious kids in St. Leonard, the Italian part of town.

    Lots of personality problems, lots of behavioural issues, lots of wasted time just keeping order.

    I had many types of student, and I was well able to figure out which ones needed the softer touch, and which ones needed harder love.

    I had one student in particular who was a genius, but was as lazy as hell. Whenever he handed something in, which was rare, it was top marks. He was also very unruly in class, and thought he was amazing despite his low marks due to his lazy work-ethic.

    I finally had enough and took him aside and tore into him. I told him that I expected more, and was going to be all over him like a cheap suit until he showed that he could do it himself. I was, and I often made fun of him in front of the class, and although it made him angry and embarrassed, I knew he could take it, and it actually galvanized him to better work.

    At the end of the year, he got 91% in my class, and I believe he still thinks I was his best teacher ever.

    Take what you will from that story.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Eddie says:

      You should have been reprimanded for making fun of him in front of others.

      Whether he could take it or not was certainly NOT up to you to decide.

      • Mattyleg says:

        HAHAHA!!

        Oh god, you kill me, Eddie.
        I didn’t mock him and make him cry, if that’s what you mean.

        Oh man, that’s rich.

        Keep ‘em coming, mate.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Eddie says:

          Your own words, not mine. You often made fun of him in front of the class, and it made him angry and embarrassed.

          That’s not acceptable at any school. It’s cause for reprimand for sure.

      • The Jackal says:

        Eddie, your opinion is respected but at the end of the day, your view on MT’s coaching is ill-formed. Maybe it is because of your own views on the matter, but as things stand, MT has gotten a lot out of this roster which is not exactly excellent. We have a lot of good pieces but we are in a state of transition. The Habs will be good, and MT has the team playing well despite injuries and mismatches in personnel.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Matty, The teachers that were the hardest on my always brought out my best and I remembered things they taught me.

      The habs have had a tough stretch with injuries and even without them were a less offensive team than last year with the departure of Ryder/Cole and replaced with Briere. We will be in for another loss when st louis comes to town on Tuesday. They are a big physical team that will cause fits for our D and with our struggling offense I think we will be looking at another 1 goal game from our forwards.

      We have some good core players but currently our vets are not producing and there is too much reliance on our young forwards.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • SmartDog says:

      Yah, that’s how I see PK. Lazy as hell.

      He really needs a ripping into to fix his lack of motivation.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • BCG says:

      In related news – I did jack in highschool. I got good marks but not what I could have gotten if I tried. A teacher, in highschool, tried to control me and I didn’t care because my marks were good enough to get into any university (I went to McGill… then Queen’s… then UofT).

      Make fun of him – but I agree with Eddie – that’s not a good teaching approach. I doubt he thinks you’re a good teacher – more likely a nasty teacher that he wanted to prove wrong. I learned in university – when given the latitude to do what I wanted to do. And I did, in terms of my learning (it didn’t translate into marks – by then, I didn’t care as I knew learning and marks don’t correlate. I knew how to get sufficient marks though). When I went into the work world – I took another big step as I was given even more latitude.

      Take what you will from that story.

      • The Jackal says:

        Well sir, I’d say you and Eddie are misinterpreting what Matty meant when he said make fun of. You think it is malicious but it is not. He probably pushed the kid to try hard, and since he ended up thinking Matty was a great teacher, then he obviously did not see him as a bad guy that he just wanted to prove wrong. He saw him as someone who sees his potential and is pushing him to reach it.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • BCG says:

          Jackal – making fun is making fun – quote “I often made fun of him in front of the class, and although it made him angry and embarrassed” I knew he could take it, and it actually galvanized him to better work.”

          I think you’re being kind. All Matty stated was the student’s better marks – not a personal conversation. And you misread what Matty said – he clearly said ” I believe he still thinks I was his best teacher ever.” – Matty did not say in that post that the student thought or said he was a great teacher. And why would the kid if he felt angry and embarrassed in highschool? Being a teen is hard enough.

    • Mark C says:

      Excellent metaphor.

      Have long thought of PK as the brilliant student as to why he is handled differently than some others.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Subban is the Habs’ best player and has absolutely Zero bad attitude.

      So your anecdote is 180% wrong — in fact, it proves exactly what you are trying to disprove.

  38. Bill says:

    Good god. Therrien is not getting fired. Give all your heads a shake and get back to us. Stop posting STUPID asinine crap and try to have a reasonable opinion and maybe someone will response to you.

  39. A. Berke says:

    “L’étoile d’octobre: Michel Therrien”
    by Pierre Houde @ RDS.

    let’s pump more tires! :)

    cheers

    Ali B.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Getting the results he did, and keeping us close against tough competition with a team that was 40% AHL is pretty good for me!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  40. frontenac1 says:

    Anderson goes off on a stretcher in Sens Game.

  41. jols101 says:

    I’m not sure if Therrien doesn’t like PK. None of us know anything for sure, we are not in the dressing room on a day to day basis. He has been hard on him in several post-game comments but that just may be a tactic to get the most out of him. However, I think Therrien is a terrible coach for another reason all together. He has zero ability to see who is playing well on any given night and make in-game adjusts to get those players more ice-time. Likewise, when players are playing poorly. He also gets out-coached on line-up matches almost every game.

    Yes, I know we finished 2nd last year. But we also got pumped by the Sens in 5 games.

    • Eddie says:

      When you’re 4th line goes -3 each, there is something terribly wrong behind the bench. No question he was badly out coached this weekend, and on a few other occasions earlier this season as well

      • The Jackal says:

        There is something wrong with your coach when your fourth line is ineffective due to injuries?

        This is the same fourth line that prior to injuries was being praised as being solid.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          It was completely unnecessary to play Blunden and Parros.

        • jols101 says:

          I think Eddie’s point was after the first goal a red flag should have gone up in Therrien’s head. After the 2nd they should have been firmly planted on the bench. Therrien benched them only after the third goal. A little too late by a good NHL coaches standard.

  42. The Jackal says:

    Funny, I just remembered a crucial time when MT stuck up for the team and his players.

    When we were getting mauled in the playoffs and the refs did not give a sh__, MT was there to back up the team and give a piece of his mind, as was MB.

    And more importantly, when the stupid Walrus publicly insulted Diaz and Eller, MT was there for them. He also defended Pacioretty and Gionta’s poor play.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  43. jols101 says:

    Damn. Sens tie it up with 9 seconds left. Total bull crap.

  44. frontenac1 says:

    Habs lose,Chargers losing in 4th,Grown men getting their knickers in a twist over PK. Was there a Solar Eclipse or something this weekend?

  45. The Jackal says:

    It’s quite silly to see so many posts regarding Therrien’s own character, as if you can determine his personality from some cliche media interviews.

    Conveniently, the anti-MT crowd is forgetting that MT criticizes everyone, not just PK. When Price had bad games last season, he said the goaltending was bad, that it left more to be desired. He has criticized DD, he has criticized Eller, he has been tentative on the Gallys, he has criticized the team as a whole.

    But then again, one other thing you are forgetting, is that he has also praised the team and individual players. He praised PK for taking the next step last season, he has praised Price and Budaj this season for being great, Eller for turning things around and finding another gear, and he has praised the development of our young players.

    So can you really say MT hates PK, that he is holding him back? No, you can’t and it is completely a bullshit idea. That’s why no respectable journalist has actually said anything even suggesting that there is a problem. No disrespect to Brian Wilde, but who the hell is he? Some guy who is inferring from PK’s guarded attitude to REPORTERS (who blow stuff out of proportion routinely) that he is being put down by the team.

    The most reasonable and likely thing that this whole non-issue is, is that MT expects more from PK. PK obviously wants to take on a big role with the team and be the spark-plug it needs, and he does a good job, most of the time. But he also tries to do too much and he has made some bad mistakes because of that. MT probably wants PK to keep developing but is hard on him because he knows he can be better, and he wants him to be better. It’s pretty funny how a guy the coach hates and has apparently no faith in still leads the team in TOI and has a huge role on the PP.

    What best explains PK’s subpar play of late is he is probably a little hurt – he does play a physical, high energy game – and that also makes it sensible to reduce his TOI when possible. And also, he must be trying to do too much – he has not admitted it but he wants to be on Team Canada and he wants to impress, at the same time he is trying very hard not to get called for the BS penalties. This has probably resulted in a little hesitation in his game, which will not last long anyway.

    So please, stop it with the PK-gate, it’s stupid and unwarranted, and it is the kind of crap that journalists with blow up and create a toxic environment for the team.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • TheSleeveen says:

      Theirren needs to go, he is simply not a good coach! His choice of lines, his decisions on who get ice time are hurting the team. He was a bad coach before, was fired in Pittsburgh and now we are forced to put up with him again. He will be fired before the end of the year, do it now before the season becomes lost!! He was badly out coached in the playoffs, What are we waiting for??????

      • The Jackal says:

        Oh yeah, the coach that took a 15th place team to 2nd in the East is not good. Yeah, he definitely played no part in PK’s Norris, Markov’s resurgence, and a grittier style of play. FFS, before the current coaching staff, the Habs would fold like an rickety old lawn chair just by getting scored on. Now they actually play hard. Before this back to back, we had one of the best records in back to backs, that speaks positively of the coaching.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • TheSleeveen says:

          You are dreaming. Theirren is a bad coach, his decisions are hurting the team. He had a few good months last year but embarrassed himself in the playoffs, Good thing Price is playing well otherwise we would be even worse. He is not getting the best out of this team.

          Time to get back to reality. He’ll be gone by the end of the year, so lets do it soon before the season is lost.

          • The Jackal says:

            Uh, right. I believe it is you who is in a nightmare – you don’t like MT so you can’t see that he actually does well.

            Do I think he will win us a cup? I don’t see it, but he has had success with this team and the players do buy into his game plan. Maybe with a better roster he could do even better.

            ______________________
            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • BCG says:

      Price and PK are great comparisons, IMHO. Price was deemed a thoroughbred and given every opportunity to learn at the NHL level in all situations. PK has not – even though his resume is much more impressive than Price. My take is that PK should be treated like Price – give him a long term contract (should have already happened, like with Price), and let him play as many minutes as he can – in his own style. If he bombs, then deal with it. But he hasn’t yet.

  46. jols101 says:

    Anyone else think Magnus Nygren may get the call up if any of our dmen get injured.

    AHL- 10 games- 1 goal-7 assists- 8 points.

    Might be a great fit on the second PP wave. Not sure how he is playing 5 on 5 though.


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