About last night …


Be of good cheer and enjoy Sunday.
Your Montreal Canadiens lost to one of the best teams in the NHL.
San Jose is a bona-fide Stanley Cup contender.
The team the Sharks beat 2-0 Saturday night at the Bell Centre isn’t … at least not yet.

Give the Canadiens some credit.

Through 44 minutes, they were in a one-goal hockey game – despite being outshot and often outplayed by a very good team.

That crazy second San Jose goal was the dagger. From that point on, the Canadiens played like a team that realized resistance was futile.

Credit  San Jose general manager Doug Wilson with retooling his team on the fly. Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi are gone. Hall of Famer Larry Robinson is coaching a group of defencemen that includes no superstars, just six guys who do their jobs efficiently.

You can tell why Douglas Murray was deemed expendable in San Jose. All the Sharks’ Dmen – including veteran Scott Hannan – can skate and move the puck.

Likewise the Sharks forwards. This was the first game of the young season in which the Canadiens were conspicuously the slower team.

Best evidence, for me, was the play of my fave young rave, Michaël Bournival. Against Anaheim, the Canadiens’ rookie was constantly giving the Ducks’ defencemen fits with his ability to turn on the jets and find open ice.

Not against San Jose. Like almost all his teammates, Bournival found himself with a white jersey – or a few of them – in very close proximity every time he touched the puck and everywhere he went on the ice.

P.K. Subban habitually wheels and deals and evades foils all forechecking efforts. Not against San Jose. The Sharks were in P.K.’s face, forcing to work on defence and slowing down his efforts to move the puck up the ice.

And when P.K. isn’t leading the charge …

Tomas Plekanec was the only Canadien with more than two shots on goal. He had three.

Matthew Nieto (I’ve never heard of him, either) had six SoG for the Sharks. Couture and James Sheppard had four each. Three other Sharks had three.

In addition to their 35 SoG, the Sharks missed the net 15 times and had 18 shots blocked (four by former Shark Josh Gorges).

Corresponding numbers for the Canadiens were 22-9-12. The Canadiens also iced the puck 12 times.

The stats don’t lie. San Jose dominated puck possession.

Nor do the ToI numbers lie.

Why the heck was Francis Bouillon playing 21:22? Michel Therrien trying to kill the guy?

Nathan Beaulieu, by contrast, played 8:27. The rookie defenceman had one shift in the third period.

Was Beaulieu worse than Raphael Diaz, who was bounced on his duff and out of the play when Couture’s power-play goal opened the scoring?

The Sharks had four man advantages. The Canadiens had one, when Brad Stuart went off for boarding late in the second period. The Canadiens PP had one shot on Antti Niemi, who has played every minute of every Sharks game. Niemi has nine wins, a 1.53 GAA and a .933 save percentage..

It’s not difficult to post gaudy goaltending stats in San Jose. The Sharks allow 23.1 shots per game, a smidge behind Minnesota’s league-leading average of exactly 23. The Canadiens are 23rd, allowing 32.8 shots per game.

Again, Wilson has put together a nice team, and the Sharks are  well-coached by Todd McLellan and his staff.

The Canadiens will play them again in San Jose on March 8. That will be after the Sochi Olympics and the trade deadline.

By then, each team will have  a pretty good idea of  what  the 2013-’14 season is going to end up looking like.

It’s a good bet the Sharks will have their eyes on the prize.

The Canadiens? A work in progress.

Look, there’s no disgrace in losing a close game to a team as good as San Jose. The last time the Canadiens were shut out at the Bell Centre was Game 11 of the 2013 season.

That was when the Leafs laid a 6-0 whuppin’ on the guys in red jerseys.

The Canadiens then went on the road to Florida, where they won in a shootout over Tampa Bay and added an overtime win over the Panthers (David Desharnais got the winner).

The Canadiens came home to beat Philadelphia and Carolina before winning their fifth in a row at Madison Square Garden.

That’s where they’ll be for a rare Monday night game as the Rangers open their renovated MSG.

And by then, Ian Cobb and the HIO Summiteers will have made bail.

• Check out The Gazette’s HIO Summit photo gallery

• David Clarkson’s first game: 21 minutes, eight hits.

Your non-hockey Sunday laugh



  1. HUDSONHAB says:

    The poll: Tinordi vs Beaulieu.
    Shouldn’t that be: Tinordi & Beaulieu vs Boulion & Diaz ?

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Frankie B, but the transition needs to be now or Tin and Beau will come in next year making the same mistakes they should be allowed (expected) to make this year.

    Don’t get me started on Gionta and Desharnais hahaha.

  2. JF says:

    Last night’s game was frustrating, but we did manage to keep it close and had chances to tie it in the second period. The Sharks’ second goal was just one of those unlucky things that happen from time to time.

    Despite the disappointing result and the fact we’re slipping a bit n the standings, I still think we’re on the right track. As Old Bald Bird points out below, the Habs have not been built properly for about twenty years, so the rebuild is going to take some time – time to weed out dubious contracts, time to build the right balance between speed and skill, size and toughness, time to get the right support players.

    There is a great deal of hand-wringing over the Desharnais and Brière contracts, but I think it is mostly unnecessary, as neither player is likely to be on the team by the time we’re ready to contend. Brière is a stopgap, and we still don’t know what he can contribute as I believe he has been trailing an injury right from the beginning. Desharnais is a relatively cheap centre on a non-contending team. I think Bergevin will find a way to move him either next year or the following year. Murray and Parros are also stopgap measures to help us get through this season and possibly next.

    For now, we should focus less on the results of games than on the steps the team is taking in the right direction – Price’s very evident improvement and the development of our young core players and prospects. I find this less depressing than repeatedly trashing certain players and the coaching staff every time we lose.

  3. Bill says:

    @Ronn: good response on that faceoff percentage nonsense

  4. Bill says:

    @mksness: It’s probably a mistake to respond to obvious trolling like that.

    As for your trade proposal, I think the Oilers would want Beaulieu but they would also want a good defenceman who is under contract for a while, and we don’t have one to offer. Unless they are insane – and it is the Oilers – and would consider Gorges good. They would also want a pick, not sure they would want Bourque though.

    • mksness says:

      the concept is they need some grit an two way play and bourque while not consistent at it would help solidify their lines with some two way play.

      I think trade for yaks is so unlikely for the reasons you just mentioned. we don’t have the parts they want and most likely don’t want to give up anything more to sweeten the pot.

  5. Maritime Ronn says:

    Poster Ktowner remarked:

    ” ….I mentioned face offs before, the team needs to be consistently winning 60% to be effective. This is an area in which the team suffers from the loss of Kirk Muller.
    hi kt

    The 60% Faceoff win percentage you mention is almost impossible for a team.

    So far in the NHL, only 4 teams are over 52.4% with Nashville leading the league at 56.8%.

    17 teams are over 50% and the Habs rank 13th in the NHL – 4th in the Eastern Conference at 51.2%


  6. punkster says:

    Front, I believe we downed more than we spilled…as it should be.

    I had a marvelous time savoring the single malt and sharing cottage stories with you.


  7. habsfan0 says:

    Considering all the injuries the Habs have,they didn’t play all too badly against one of the league’s elite teams. And if it weren’t for a rather fluke goal, who knows what might have happened.

    Carey Price seems to be thriving under the tutelage of Stephane Waite.
    Having said that, I think it’s time to give Budaj some work and start him against the Rangers.

    • mksness says:

      Really? i don’t think waite has done anything to revolutionize price’s game. Look at price’s stats from the start of last year and he was playing equally well.

      • habsfan0 says:

        The key is consistency.
        We’ll see if that is part of Price’s repertoire.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        Price has played extremely well this year.
        The best way to know is by comparing.

        Save Percentage and Goals Against Average for Goalies that have played at least half of their team’s games:

        SP .937- 4th in the NHL – 2nd in the Eastern Con.
        GAA: 2.12 – 6th in the NHL -3rd in the EC.

        • mksness says:

          i didn’t say price was playing badly, i’m just not giving the goalie coach the credit for turning his game around ( in 10 games) when price started off very well last year as well.

          i’m also going to give credit to our “horrible defence” who have been for the most part playing very well infront of price limiting shots to outside.

          by the way, if you would like to bring up stats i can mention he’s tied for second in the league in loses

      • olematelot says:

        I disagree, Price has indeed changed his game, nothing major mind you but he is more efficient in his movement, not on his knees as much and much quicker getting back up when he is. He’s also not overplaying by sliding across to far.

        • mksness says:

          how are you evaluating him being more efficient in his movements?

          if anything his biggest improvement has been challenging shooters more. Last year his ass was behind the goal line way too much. his butter fly displacements were fine last year and they’re equally good this year. he’s still on his knees a lot but he’s a blocking butterfly goalie so that is to be expected.

  8. doogie says:

    With this management team sending players up and down to Hamilton, maybe they should lobby for an AHL team in Montreal, much like the Marlies in Toronto. Might save on plane tickets for crying out loud!

    Pateryn up- Pateryn down
    Tinordi up- Tinordi down
    Beaulieu up- Beaulieu down

    Disrupts the development of the young lads in Hamilton too, figure it out!

  9. frontenac1 says:

    @propwash. It was great meeting you too amigo! All the best.

  10. Strummer says:

    Regarding the rumor below of Edmonton in trade talks with us for Yakupov-

    It is far-fetched, however wouldn’t Markov be the perfect mentor for the young Yak?

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • oldtimerguy says:

      if you could get yaks for markov, gio and a second, id do it in a Minnesota minute…or yaks for beaulieu, and pleks, i’d do it. There is no substitute for adding top end talent and as much as I like pleks, he never ever had the talent of yakupov, not even close…as for competitiveness, I think yaks has it in spades and it just needs to be focused.

      • Strummer says:

        You would need to keep Markov to babysit/mentor the Yak

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • mksness says:

        why would they give away a 1st overall pick from 2 years ago for two veterans who are ufa and a second round pick?

        In regards to pleks. he does a lot of the little things needed to win. his two way play is more valuable to this team than most people give it credit for.

        as for yakopov i would figure the following trade could work.
        – habs 1st round pick this year
        – tinordi or beaulieu
        – bourque

    • Habfan17 says:

      The NHL and junior are so different. Yaks seems like another Daigle to me. He benefited from having Galchenuk and being able to play against players, the majority of which, would never make the NHL. Now, he doesn’t have that luxury and he needs to work harder to make opportunities for himself. It doesn’t come as easy and the time when a player like Bure could cherry pick and not play in all 3 ones are gone.

      I personally would not want him. I don’t know why people assume since he was first overall, you should give up a king’s ransom for him. So far, all he has proven is he isn’t ready and has said, he doesn’t want to work hard to get the puck. Why would anyone trade for him right now. I get that the Oilers need to save face if they trade him and ask for a top end player or picks. Two things, it is too early for the Oilers to give up on him and it is too risky for a team to give up a ton to find out, this is as good as he gets!

      The Habs have some very solid right wingers in the system, they do not need the Nail!

      Cases in point, how many GM’s in hindsight would take Subban in the top 3? How many GM’s would take Daigle in the 7th round if at all? Lastly, how many GM’s would take Seth Jones first overall if they could have had that pick last year?


  11. JM says:

    The team is not all that bad. it’s a case of some players don’t do much scoring but they contribute in other areas. too many non scorers. we have 5-forwards who do the majority of the scoring the rest once in awhile!! Last night was a prime example. All 4-lines shut down and the Sharks didn’t have one of their best games!!

  12. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Front had a ball in Mtl.with all of you. You are all wonderful people and I felt honored to meet and drink with you.How many drinks did I spill at Hurleys anyway Punkster? Special thanks to Burly for keeping me out of trouble later on Friday Night. Have a safe trip home everyone. Saludos!

  13. zak says:

    It’s time to sit DD for a game or two or more

    Hire the best regardless of language

  14. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    If Holland was sent down, who’s coming up? Guessing Murray is ready to go on D, but none of Parros, Briere, Patches or Prust are.

    LL getting a shot?

  15. theox_8 says:

    Edmonton doesn’t want prospects , they want a top 4 d man who can make an impact right now .

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Yet, essentially despite is high draft position, Yak is merely a prospect, isn’t he?

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

    • Sportfan says:

      Edmonton is proving what not to do when you are rebuilding, although in their defense to build a team properly you need the right people in management to build the right team and Edmonton seems to have a problem with hiring people outside the organization sometimes.

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      • oldtimerguy says:

        they will turn the corner and soon…they are one or 2 moves away from building a seriously talented winning club.

      • mksness says:

        the oilers have great individual players but are missing the concept of playing like a team. If you don’t play two way hockey you’ll lose more than you win in a season. Add to the fact that they can’t get a key save from either of their goalies and you have a stinker of a team. In a salary cap league they’re going to lose some of their top talent as well due to contracts.

  16. John Q Public says:

    When will White show some offense ?
    When will MT get creative during the game ?
    When will Subban stop embezzling ?
    When will the forwards stop clumping together in the offensive zone ?
    When will MB make a trade that makes a difference ?

    • zak says:

      What’s P.K. embezzling??

      Hire the best regardless of language

      • John Q Public says:

        It seems to me when someone is committing an infraction against him he gives it a little more umph.

        • habsinthegap says:

          I think the word you’re looking for is “embellishing”.

        • moroccanhabfan says:

          Embezzlement: “the act of dishonestly withholding assets for the purpose of conversion (theft) of such assets by one or more individuals to whom such assets have been entrusted, to be held and/or used for other purposes.[1]

          Embezzlement is a kind of financial fraud. For instance, a lawyer could embezzle funds from clients’ trust accounts, a financial advisor could embezzle funds from investors, or a person could embezzle funds from his or her spouse. Embezzlement may range from the very minor in nature, involving only small amounts, to the immense, involving large sums and sophisticated schemes.”

          Unless PK gets MB to sign him to a 8 year contract at $9 M per year, I don’t think you can charge PK with embezzlement.

          With Subbie, Chucky & Larsy… The Future is Bright !

    • 416erHabsFan says:

      When will White show some offense ?!?!?!?! are you serious? The guy gets paid what 600k a year and is a fourth liner?White is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing on the fourth line. What about the offense as a whole? With the exception of the EGG line. All our top paid guys with the exception of Price seem to have lost their drive. The high paid underachieving veterans should be watching the EGG line and taking notes.

    • habsfan0 says:

      These and other questions will be answered on..”As the Habs Turn”

  17. JM says:

    I think Boston is the team to beat in the East. They can play any stile, they have real good Defence and Goaltending. Everything it takes to win a cup!!

    • Bill J says:

      Pittsburgh sure is flying on all cylinders. I agree Boston is “strong” but Pittsburgh are still to be feared.

      Go Habs Go!

      • Lafleurguy says:

        You may be too tired to check last night’s scores.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Bill J says:

          And you may be too stuck on one game to realize one game doesn’t even win a playoff series.

          Pittsburgh is on fire generally speaking, and that without Neal. Add Neal to Malkin’s line.

          Now for the closing statement, BOTH Pittsburgh AND Boston lost last night, maybe you should have another coffee before accusing others of being sleepy? 😛

          Go Habs Go!

  18. Ktowner says:

    Some musings based on what I have seen so far.
    Without Price the Habs would be tied with the Oilers.
    Coaching is becoming an issue. I liked the selection of MT but not the results.
    I mentioned face offs before, the team needs to be consistently winning 60% to be effective. This is an area in which the team suffers from the loss of Kirk Muller.
    Size is not as much an issue as where and when the smaller speedy guys are used.
    Eller is becoming an elite forward (Halak Who?)
    Signing Briere was a mistake.

    I am still optimistic this team will rebound but some changes are needed. How long will management wait?

    • Bill J says:

      As you said this team will rebound.

      I think we all agree that Murray, Parros, and MOST importantly Emelin are missed.

      Come December this team “should” be finding it’s cruising speed. At least that’s my hope :S

      Go Habs Go!

    • JUST ME says:

      I just do not see why coachng is an issue. MT got the most from his players and IS ACTUALLY COACHING ! Cause it has been a while since decisions were made and steps were taken towards helping players ti perform better. I found that too many habs coaches took for granted that they were NHL caliber and did nothing to show that they were not satisfied. Of course we do not know what is said behind closed doors but i think MT is the perfect coach for the situation.
      Coaching is much more than dealing with a D.D. kind of situation, it`s also being able tu judge where the kids are in their development and i find that the coaches have a good grasp of the situation .
      This team needed a completeoverhaul and it just does not happen by miracles. It takes time.

      There will not be a rebound from management. This is what you get. 9 players are ending their deals with the habs this season and some big decisions will need to be taken but i do not see any moves before the season`s end if the offers are interresting. Just hope we do not lose anyone against nothing back…

  19. The #Canadiens and #Oilers are rumored to be talking trade for #Yakupov.

    Its well know the Habs would love to add another high end forward, but what would the Oilers get in return?

    I would imagine #Tinordi or #Beaulieu or even both plus a 1st or 2nd as possible return, but would that be too much?

    This could be something that would help both sides. With the Habs expecting #Emelin back soon, both those young D will not be seeing NHL minutes.

    What kind of counter offer should the Montreal Canadiens make?

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    • Bill J says:

      Consider the source of the rumour first.

      Unless the oilers are prepared to accept Markov, Gionta, Diaz and Desharnais for Yakupov. I doubt the Habs go get Yak.

      This without even mentioning how incredibly volatile a player like Yak would be in Montreal.

      Imagine Yak telling the Journal de Montreal. “I don’t like skating,forechecking and defensive play. I just score goals”

      Montreal would dig out the pitchforks, tar and feathers. Yakupov would be eaten alive.

      Go Habs Go!

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think he IS the source of the rumour.

        As Monty Python said:
        “Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spammity-spam, wonderful spaaam…”

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • We have a source within the organization and we are not claiming this as our own! just thought since i frequent this site as a habs fan that i would share the information with you guys.

        Thought there was a little more class in here, guess its just the people who show up after a loss commenting uselessly.

        Join the conversation thats what this post was meant for. Isnt that what this site is meant for?

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Why do you have to quote ‘sources’, instead of just asking people what they would think of a trade?

          Claiming to have sources just seems a bit self-serving if all you’re interested in doing is having a conversation.

          Sorry, a #conversation.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • The Dude says:

          hey David B ….Don’t let these fans get to you,it’s not them – it’s the no finals for the habs in 20 years that’s got them like this!

    • ABHabsfan says:

      If there is any truth to that effect, at least 1 regular forward would have to be moved from the current roster. 1 or 2 d-men moved leaves holes on defense and too many forwards on the roster, all on 1-way contracts except Bournival.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Yakupov obviously requires Galchenyuk at centre. Edmonton needs defence. This is not out of the question as we are deep in defencemen with as much NHL experience as Yak. Prospects for prospects? I’m for it.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Hahah…..funny….”Hockey Insider”…

      Give me a break…

    • JUST ME says:

      Rumor from where ? A knowledgeable contributor to an obscure hockey blog ? Nothing to see, move on…

  20. mksness says:

    i thought beaulieu should have played a bit more. why call him up just to give him under 9 minutes? just stresses out the rest of the D with more minutes

  21. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Sharks have a good team but the refs could only see red last night. If that’s an interference penalty against Galchenyuk then the Sharks got away with about six of them.
    Despite the smart aleck response I received the last time I mentioned this, I can’t help but notice that we’re a team that misses the net a lot on our opportunities. Shooting too fine? Just putting the puck on the net causes a lot of trouble and leads to some ugly goals. There are more ugly goals scored in the league than lasers to the upper corners. Just saying.
    Go Habs!

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

    • Habfan17 says:

      It isn’t just you. I have noticed the same thing with the Habs for about 4 years now, and it isn’t just when the shots are rushed!
      I can’t for the life of me understand how a pro, can miss the net so any times when they aren’t pressured. I think sometimes they are trying too hard to drill it instead of hitting the net. Sometimes taking a bit off the shot is better. Subban seems to get this now. He doesn’t always try to put the puck through the net.

      Hire Lafleur to teach shooting accuracy. He can cut a hole in the board and get them to shoot the puck through it like his Dad had him do! They can also stay out longer and practice shooting like he did.


    • rljmartin says:

      Watched the first goal many times. Tight game, 0-0 with a PP, gotta call a trip on Diaz. This is not a routine everyday hockey play. Had BOTH feet taken out by a stick firmly planted on the ice. Refs call inadvertent “Oh my stick got caught up” ALL the time and they “miss” that?

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I think you are quite right about the shooting problem. Case in point: Eller last night alone in the slot should have buried it easily and the game is 1-1. Instead he hits Niemi in the face. Niemi had no clue where the puck was, pretty much anywhere on net and it goes in. Instead Eller tries to shelf it.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  22. calvee123 says:

    There’s lots of teams better than Montreal. Sharks are one of them. Its going to take a few more years before this team is going to be a top team. Its just disheartening. Go Habs go.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      If what you say is true, it should be heartening. Consider the KC Chiefs. Maybe we’re not that far away.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

    • oldtimerguy says:

      agreed to the timelines.by which time, if we keep the vets, they will be WORTHLESS.

  23. Old Bald Bird says:

    SJ is a dominant team right now, and not just against the Habs, so a little less hand-wringing, please. Although they did dominate, they scored only one PP goal after several attempts and one fluke. But for me, it was a pleasure to see them do their thing, and I hope the Summiteers were not too disappointed.

    Look how long they’ve been good and still failed in the end. It’s a long process for most teams. Mtl isn’t merely retooling and I won’t even say rebuilding because they haven’t been properly built for a very long time now. It’s going to take awhile, folks — longer than Briere’s contract and longer than DD’s. This is especially true with the conservative way we bring on rookies, some of whom can’t even get 10 minutes playing time. For now, I am happy with making progress and being competitive most of the time.

    Nobody is happy with the past twenty years, but I think the team is on the right track. Much patience will still be required. however.

  24. Habfan17 says:

    Last season, Therrien sat Eller for two games to get his attention. Teams have sat players before to let them refocus and clear their heads. That is what I believe the Habs need to do with DD.

    I agree with Chris and Eddie that Galchenyuk needs to play his natural centre position. I said it before the season started. He needs to keep his faceoff skills sharp and learn how other centres “cheat” .

    Although some of the bigger, tougher Habs are out, I still think they need to look to replacing Gionta, Gorges, and Diaz with players who are tougher to play against. I liked the play of Holland, he made some very solid plays on the PK. Having Briere out may be a blessing if Prust and Partches can come back soon. Please don’t take that as me being happy Briere is hurt. I am not, I wish him a full recovery, I just don’t like the signing. I would have rather taken a chance on Raymond for a season at $1 million.

    I believe Bergevin gets it. He invited many tougher players who have some offensive skill to camp and signed some of them, like Fournier. Crisp, De Larose, McCarron all play with an edge, have size and can put up points. Teams can’t change completely over night. I think in time, the Habs will have that balance. Right now though, I wish they had played Pateryn, and would limit Boullion’s time and move Diaz and Gorges. Let Tinordi play regularly until Murray and Emelin are ready. Nygren is looking very good, as is Beaulieu.


  25. oldtimerguy says:

    this team needs more top end superstar potential..and there is only 1 way to get it….

    tank this mofo by selling off the vets who just wont win us a thing…face up to it…we will not win a cup with pleks, gio, moen, bouillon, briere, murray…maybe markov…deal them at the deadline, sink the ship temporarily, and draft another galchenyuk….we’ll be fine if we start to transition these guys now before they are worthless in 2-3 yrs or sooner…

    sell off, drop in the standings, save cap space, draft higher and better, promote from within, sign free agents in 2 and 3 yrs who are then only 29,30,31 yrs old…far better than keeping the vets we have now who we wont win with and who will by then be 35,37,39 etc…

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      You can say this all you want, but it won’t happen. This team is not going to deliberately tank, especially not at this point in the season.

      • oldtimerguy says:

        move some out now and more at the deadline…or at least before they are worth nothing or injured, again..

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          I say this with respect because I understand and to some extent I sympathize with your POV.

          I know what you want, but it isn’t going to happen, so I suggest you let it go for awhile. We all know your POV by now and either agree or disagree, but it’s probably time for you to stop harping on this. No matter what you say or how many times you say it, it doesn’t alter the fact that it isn’t going to happen. It’s not as if MB comes here for advice after all.

          • oldtimerguy says:

            I will agree if you stop harping on dd…we all know that too….your logic applies to just me or you guys too?


          • Old Bald Bird says:

            No deal b/c I have never harped on DD. You’ve got the wrong guy. I just harp on people harping. 😉

    • habs-hampton says:


    • Habfan17 says:

      I would also say, make some of these players available when a team suffers a long term injury and may pay more for them.

      Gionta, Markov and Boullion all have contracts that expire at the end of the season. I would move Gionta and Boullion at the deadline to a team looking for depth for a playoff run. Markov, I would resign if he is still healthy and playing well, if he will take a big home time discount. say,$3.5 million/season for two seasons. If the kids develop on defense the way we anticipate, he would be a great partner on the second pairing, with Gorges gone next season, and then on the 3rd pairing in the second year.


      • oldtimerguy says:

        im ok with keeping markov on that basis. everyone else ought to go most especially, pleks..why? BECAUSE he is still good… he brings us value and yet, even though he is of value to us now, we still wont be ready to win a cup with him in 2-3 yrs time, by which time is will be worth nothing.

      • third generation haber says:

        To get Markov at a discount we would have to wait till July 1 to make the offer, along with the other 29 teams who may be interested. Trading him before the deadline is the only way to guarantee we don’t lose him for nothing.

        Signing him before July 1 will require matching his current/ inflated contract.

        j.p. murray

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Oh … like Edmonton? World beaters. It ain’t that easy. I think Bergevin’s on the right track. It’s a team game.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

      • oldtimerguy says:

        no, like Colorado… o don’t you know they drafted oreilly, landeskog, duschene and McKinnon.

        so tell me, if you could take back 2011 and make the playoffs for a round or 2, would you do it and give back galchenyuk? seriously…would you?

    • JUST ME says:

      Just how many times do you need to be told that your obsession makes no sense before you realize that it won`t happen and pop out of our bubble ?

    • piper says:

      I sort of agree with you oldtimer but I’d wait until closer to the deadine to see where the team stands. If they are out of the race at that time, unload.
      A player like Markov would bring good return as a rental to a true contender.
      Gio and the others may bring a half decent draft pick or prospect.
      Plek, I’d trade if the offer was decent which it should be.
      We seem to have enough youngsters ready play in Bourneval, Tonordi, Beaulieu, Holland, Dumont, and Pattern.
      But for now, if Bergevin could just find a way to get rid of his two mistakes (as I see it) Briere and DD, they could have some room to be buyers at the deadline if they are in the position.

      • oldtimerguy says:

        we agree. youth movement and trade off for the right opportunities /or drafts/prospects.

        • JUST ME says:

          Then this has nothing to do with tanking. Youth movement is already under way and usually evolves through draft picks wich takes time,9 regulars have no deals at the end of the season so we are heading toward major changes .May not happen before at least mid season but still it is coming.

          But you should take a look at what tanking means cause it will not happen.

    • L Elle says:

      That first picture with the nice looking family, and that really cute kid, wonder who that was P-wash? 😉

    • Psycho29 says:

      Great pics!!
      What a wonderful time yesterday! Such a pleasure to meet everyone and Dave Stubbs is going to look great in that T-Shirt!
      Such nice people at my table, Julie, Mike, Shane and Jim….Positive energy from everyone (Much more than on the live game blogs!)

      Next year will definitely do the overnight stay at the hotel!!!

  26. HankHardball says:

    Success for the NHL means 3 Canadian teams.

    Even though MTL is currently in 6th place overall in the Eastern Conference, because the top 3 teams of each division automatically qualify for the playoffs, the Habs would actually be the 8th place wildcard if the season finished today.

    Plus, Washington, Columbus, Ottawa are 3 of the teams on the outside looking in. Which is likely to change over the course of the season.

    Add to that, there are 16 teams in the Eastern Conference under the new alignment instead of the previous 15. So it will be significantly more difficult for teams like MTL to make the playoffs than it has been in recent years.

    The intentional inequity in the new playoff ranking system will likely mean some teams will make the playoffs with fewer regular season points than some of those who don’t. That situation previously existed by Conference, but now they’ve made it Divisonal also.

    The most likely beneficiaries of the intentional inequity will be US teams. It will further hurt the potential for on ice success of already handicapped Canadian teams. And it adds to Bettman and the league using Canadian financial successes to subsidize American financial failures.

    With all this in mind, it points to current league governorship’s ideal vision for a successful NHL that could truly compete in North American popularity with the NBA, MLB, and NFL, as being a league with only 3 Canadian teams: TOR, MTL, & VAN. And sadly, they’re probably right.

  27. L Elle says:

    From my view from the cheap seats, where you can see the whole play, this game could’ve gone either way. As good as SJ was at closing down shooting lanes (Niemi could’ve gone out for a smoke at times), and their excellent fore-check, not giving our forwards much time or space, Habs’ forwards had their chances and flubbed, but so did SJ.

    The injured players are sorely missed. And considering the depleted lineup, they matched SJ almost step for step. No use blaming anyone.

    But, I feel for those who travelled long distances to their 1st game at the Bell, and not witness how it feels when our team scores. Safe travels to all the summiteers, and see y’all next year!

  28. Bill says:

    @Ronn: yeah, his production has disappeared. It’s a huge problem. It weakens the team because without offence, his minutes are a detriment. It’s a media distraction and an embarrassment for Bergevin as well.

    How long until Therrien has to sit him down? I think it would have happened already if not for all the injuries.

  29. jrshabs1 says:

    Hab fans…let’s leave the ref whining to our maple leaf cousins. Habs lost to a superior team. Habs lost to a well rounded, big forwards, big D, good goal tending, well coached team.
    If Price had the Sharks D in front of him hiss g.a.a would be under 1. Instead he has 3 hobbits, 1 raw rookie or another, a Markov and a Norris trophy winner in front of him. Hopefully one of the hobbits goes on an unexpected journey when Murray gets back.
    There are some teams in our division that for one reason or another hate our beloved Habs..bad things happen when our Habs are not prepared.

    Go Habs Go!!

  30. Bill says:

    @3rd Generation Habber: don’t expect to see much of Parros if the Habs make the playoffs.

    • third generation haber says:

      Very true, enforcers aren’t playoff material. I’d just like to see our young guns (and any potential UFA’s) know that they can work their craft without constant fear of injury.

      j.p. murray

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Depends on the team
        Shawn Thornton played all of Boston’s 22 games last playoffs
        Colton Orr played in all of the Leafs 7 games.
        I am sure there are others

  31. Bill says:

    There’s just no way Desharnais can continue to be this bad.

    I have defended him and his contract based on his career production and the usual dollar value attached to that production.

    But he took a dip last season, and his start to this season can only be described as disastrous.

    I have said in the past that if Desharnais isn’t producing on the scoresheet the he isn’t adding anything. We all agree on this. Well, right now, he isn’t adding anything.

    However, once again, there is no way he can keep up this ridiculous output with his PP time and wingers. One assist in eleven games is horrendous. The only lower scoring forwards on the team are White, Parros, Blunden, and Holland – and of those guys only White has come close to being a regular player.

    So basically, somehow Desharnais is out-pointing only White, and the scrubs, and the injured.

    If he doesn’t pull it together, I will have to admit that all the people who said Desharnais should not have been signed were right, and that will be tough to swallow. I just can’t believe how his offence has disappeared.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi bill

      It’s not just the last 11 games or the 5 playoff games last year.

      In his last 42 games, he has 3 goals and 12 Assists.
      You’re a smart guy and can plot that out for an 82 game year, yet the issue from here is that this guy is NOT made for playoff hockey.

      The other is that the team needs to work around HIS needs during the season as he can’t play without 2 big skilled wingers.
      Therrien has his hands tied and until the Habs get rid of this guy, he is just in the way – and certainly in the way of Galchenyuk taking his rightful position.

    • third generation haber says:

      At the time of his extension, I wondered if any other GM in hockey would have offered 3.5 mil per season to a guy they’ve probably never heard of.

      j.p. murray

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      The guy is, quite apparently, not an NHL caliber player. Not in this NHL anyway. He is too easily run off the puck and adds nothing to the offense. I can’t believe he is getting so much ice time. It’s obvous that he’ll never be Martin St. Louis or even close.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  32. Strummer says:

    Just one comment about the referee complaints:

    If it’s so easy to call the game from your television screen why don’t the ref’s just stay home and call the the game from their TV’s?

    As opposed to say being 3 feet from the play where they can see close-up, hear, smell, feel what’s going on?

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • AndyF says:

      Well, Strummer, if you’re happy with the reffing you saw, then your standards for reffing are different than mine.

      For anyone who’s managed to convince themselves that we got annihilated by a much superior team last night, I congratulate you on your creative imagination.

  33. The Puckhound says:

    Throwing this out there…. Why wasn’t Bergevin not all over it in getting Dave Bolland from his former team the Blackhawks???

    Go to the net and keep your stick on the ice!

  34. habsfan999 says:

    Seemed the habs showed too much respect by times.

    First shift of the game, San Jose won the opening faceoff, came into the habs zone. Montreal recovered the puck, skated out to center. At the 19:26 mark the shift was only 34s old, but Gionta dumped the puck for a line change instead of trying for some offence.

    Hard to imagine the guys were tired after the first 34s of play. Seemed to be a hyper-cautionary play, that set the tone for the game.

  35. rljmartin says:

    Good morning to all those with a headache right now. It was my daughter’s birthday party so only saw the last period.

    Habs are supposed tom be fast so how does San Jose make them look so slow especially on O-zone entry? They always have a skater in front of someone, slowing him down, always forcing the opposition to skate around them while the defense retrieve the puck in a straight line… You do not have to be big to do that.

    Second, from what I saw in the third, White competes hard and needs to be groomed by coaching staff. More Prust-like than anyone on the team… He is a keeper.

  36. jrshabs1 says:

    ..maybe the team is too small. Has anyone heard that one before? Georges, Boullion, Diaz are not striking fear in any opposing forward. Gallagher will be out of the league if he keeps eating boards like he did last night. Does one NHL team need the aforementioned D-man, plus, Gallagher, DD, and Gionta on one team?
    I watch CH24 like everybody else..I heard MB state”we need to be harder to play against”
    What happened?

    Go Habs Go!!

    • Eddie says:

      All of our bigger players are hurt at the same time?

    • third generation haber says:

      Bergevin certainly gets it!

      He’s added toughness: Parros, Prust, Murray, Armstrong (sigh), Bouillion (sigh), extended Moen, and added Tarnasky, Aliu, and McIven to the dogs.

      He also drafted McCarron, DeLarose, Crisp, and Gregoire.

      Or does he get it???

      He’s added:

      Briere, and extended DD!!! He added Thomas, Duffy, and St.Pierre to the dogs.

      He drafted Reway, and Andrighetto.

      ……..I’m not sure if he gets it.

      j.p. murray

    • rljmartin says:

      He ate the boards because he was going down and the defenseman did not let up even though he was in a prone and vulnerable position. Simple rule book stuff.

  37. Bill says:

    Hey Trini, not blaming the loss on the refs – blaming it in San Jose’s superiority – but that doesn’t change the fact that they are very terrible at their jobs!

    All they have to do is call the game according to the rules. They need to be stopped from being creative and factoring the score and the timing into whether or not an infraction is an infraction.

    Look at last night’s ball game. The umpire correctly ascertained that the Cardinals runner had been interfered with in leaving third base. He was called safe – despite not touching home plate that I noticed – because of the third baseman’s interference … and he was the winning run of the ball game. That was a correct call according to the rules. In the NHL, on that play, I am betting the referee does nothing.

    • Chris says:

      As much as I think that the NHL refereeing is inconsistent, I have a number of friends that are referees so I respect the job. It is the hardest sport in the world to referee. There is so much going on and so much permissable contact that you really have to see the play from the right angle to see all the infractions.

      I felt that there were two hits from behind that could have been called (one on Diaz, one on Gallagher), but both of them were hard to spot unless you had the benefit of a replay. The Diaz “trip” was not a penalty…that kind of thing happens in every hockey game. It just happened that Montreal got burned by it last night.

      The only one that had me a little frustrated was a play where I felt that Subban was grabbed by the forechecker and spun right around. I was a bit stunned that the referees let that one go.

      Montreal lost last night because of a lack of offence. The Sharks had as much or better speed than the Habs forwards, so there was nowhere to go on the ice. I don’t know if the Habs were simply flat or if the Sharks are really just that good (the season records suggest that both possibilities are likely), but Montreal was on their heels throughout the entire game. The entire forward group was kept on the periphery for most of the game, and none of the current crop of forwards has Kovalev-esque skill to score from the boards.

  38. JUST ME says:

    One thing bugs me and pleases me at the same time is the fact that all the players do not show together all the time every night.
    Yesterday should have been an all out effort from everyone . I know we have our classics…that some would want to be traded or put on the pressbox but others also that usually shine do not always show up.
    I do not wish to name names cause this is not the point, it could be anyone but what if …? I still believe that we do not have all that it takes to compete with a machine like the Sharks on a daily basis but still what if everyone showed up at the top of their abilities ?

    With all the kids we have on the team i believe it can only get better and let yesterday`s game be a lesson for those guys to gauge what it takes to compete with the best of the league.

    Great pictures from yesterday on a link below from the gazette. Just wish we could be able to associate faces with nicknames you use here but anyway great cause, great group and great Habs fans !

  39. third generation haber says:

    When we play tough teams, we are reminded of what we are; soft and undersized.

    We lose puck battles and get out-shot because all of our offence comes from the perimeter.

    Please purge this organization of smurfs from top to bottom so that we can compete in the playoffs; today’s game was playoff style hockey.

    j.p. murray

    • Arrow77 says:

      Pacioretty, Prust, Parros, Emelin and Murray are all injured. Other than White and maybe Subban, this is all of our physical players. I don’t think yesterday’s team represents how physical we can be.

      • third generation haber says:

        Very true! But, I’d like to see toughness up and down the line-up, not just some very tough dudes. NO TEAM WILL EVER WIN THE CUP WITH MORE THAN ONE SMURF IN THE LINEUP!

        And, could someone please tell me why we have 4 more smurfs playing on the bulldogs???? (Duffy, St. Pierre, Thomas, Andrighetto)

        j.p. murray

        • Arrow77 says:

          Briere was a terrible addition by Bergevin and the less said about Desharnais the better. Of the remaining smurfs, I hope we agree that Gallagher has to stay. I would keep Plekanec as well because of his defensive play that would make him a great 3rd line center behind Eller and Galchenyuk.

          As for Gionta, it depends how they use him. He’s still has some leadership and if they can avoid having him play with another smurf, I won’t mind but I know many people disagree.

      • third generation haber says:

        For the playoffs I’d love to see:

        Pacioretty/ Galchenyuk/ Gallagher
        Bourque/ Eller/ Bournival
        Prust/ Plekanec/ Leblanc
        Moen/ White/ Parros


        Subban/ Markov
        Gorges/ Emellin
        Murray/ Tinordi


        j.p. murray

  40. Mustang says:

    I thought that DD was working hard last night but he just doesn’t seem to be able to buy a point. The effort is coming back but with no results. Right now he probably couldn’t even score in a house of ill repute.

    • third generation haber says:

      He makes 3.5 mil. and has 0 goals and 1 assist in 11 games. He also gets time on the power-play and “larger” wingers to help make space for him. He’s also extremely easy to play against, just push him to the outside.

      Thank God he’s “working hard” and has “character” because his results are arguably the most disgraceful in the NHL.

      He makes more money than Subban…. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
      j.p. murray

    • munch17 says:

      He also happened to take a weak penalty that led to the first goal.
      In fact we are all so used to him being so useless that we observe when he has a good shift.
      He is dragging the team down and needs to go.

      • third generation haber says:

        Absolutely, and no offence to Mustang. The sad reality is that no team is in the market for an extremely soft undersized center that produces very little offence and is in the first of a 4 year 14 mil. deal.

        He seems unlikely to ever suffer a long-term injury, as he avoids physical play. So, although the cap relief would be minimal, we’d probably be better of sending this guy to Hamilton where he will certainly produce and help develop our youngsters. Honestly, I think he’d be a great leader for the dogs.

        Bergevin needs to admit he screwed up and that team toughness is as essential as skill and speed in the playoffs.

        Unless your names is Gallagher, all smurfs need to go!!!!!

        j.p. murray

        • Mustang says:

          No offence taken. Look, I am far from a DD supporter. I was quite surprised how well he played a couple of years ago but I have been amazed at the ice time and PP time he continues to get considering his lack of production over the past 20 or 30 games. In addition, he now has a contract that does not reflect his output. Hey, if he is going to be on the ice, it was nice that he was at least working last night.

          • third generation haber says:

            I wish I had your patience. These softies irritate me to the point that I wish long-term injuries on them, so that they can do their spectating from the comfort of their own homes and still get paid.

            The CH is just too meaningful to me to not be a respected team throughout the league.

            j.p. murray

  41. Lafleurguy says:

    Trying to find evidence of a recent Sharks tank, and it appears there hasn’t been one. Even though we got Pacioretty (and Gorges) from them for Rivet, in 2007, San Jose had the no. 9 pick and got Logan Couture. Prior to 2007, their highest picks were Patrick Marleau (no. 2, ’97), Brad Stuart (no. 3, ’98), Milan Michalek (no. 6, ’03), Devin Setoguchi (no. 8, ’05). Tomas Hertl was no. 17 two drafts ago. Sharks had three recent years without a first round pick, ’11, ’09, ’08.

    Given the fact they really haven’t tanked, doing a tank the Sharks way has some bite to it.*

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • third generation haber says:

      Like the Devils, they use multiple rounds to draft big players who skate well. How difficult is this for the habs to understand? We have to draft bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing D-men.

      The sharks have never been pushed around.

      j.p. murray

  42. Max says:

    San Jose aren’t all that impressive.Game could’ve went either way all things considered.First goal should shouldn’t have counted as Diaz was obviously tripped resulting in a turnover which caused the goal.The second goal was just freakish bad luck.If the habs had a full team,they would match them almost equally.

    That said,it’s starting to get tiring to see a habs team every year which is nowhere near competing for a stanley cup.21 years now and not a sniff of success. Other teams improve quickly with trades,signings and draft picks while the habs are perpetually stuck in “rebuilds” which never seem to pan out fully.

    I guess the new 5 year rebuild has started and in 5 years another and another and so on while Chicago and Pittsburgh and Los Angeles etc etc will quietly win the cups.

    I know we all have high hopes for our plethora of young players scattered throughout the various leagues worldwide but I honestly expect only 2 or so of them to make the bigs.

    21 years and counting…..

  43. Chris says:

    After his hot start that had people thinking burgeoning star, Eller has now returned to Earth, with one assist in his past 6 games. Similarly, Galchenyuk has 1 assist in his past 7 games.

    The kids are alright, but they will be streaky. That is one of the major challenges facing the Habs. They are not terribly deep in offensive players due to the injuries to Prust, Briere and Pacioretty, and they’ve got their two kids going through a cold streak.

    The Habs success on the season is largely based on the performance of Eller/Galchenyuk and the health of Pacioretty. The team could find itself anywhere between a lottery team (if the three don’t combine for big numbers) and a home-ice contender in the playoffs (if the trio heats up/stays healthy).

    • Max says:

      Galchenyuk is starting to worry me a bit.He should be more noticeable out there.I know he’s young but I hope he doesn’t get complacent.

      • Eddie says:

        If we moved Galchenyuk to center, you might notice him more.

      • Chris says:

        I’ve been impressed with Galchenyuk, but I’ve always felt that it would take him 2-3 years to get to full NHL speed.

        People sometimes get too wrapped up in the draft position (#1 for Yakupov, #3 for Galchenyuk) and forget to evaluate the players simply on their ability.

        Both Yakupov and Galchenyuk are special players. But they are going to take a bit longer to get to their full potential than guys like Stamkos, Crosby or Ovechkin because they quite simply aren’t anywhere near the level of those three guys. They aren’t at the John Tavares level.

        Instead, we should be looking more at the growth curves of other top 3 picks such as Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, or James van Riemsdyk. They have all become great NHL players, but they didn’t do it straight out of the gate. I have been banking on Galchenyuk turning it on by the midpoint of this season…I’m still comfortable with that assessment, as I’ve seen plenty to like about his game. He appears to have gotten faster this season, and he’s making nice plays that aren’t getting converted. As he builds chemistry with his teammates, that will change.

        • Eddie says:

          Galchenyuk needs to carry the puck to work his magic. He is a fabulous player with the puck already, but his finishing skills at the NHL level are lagging somewhat behind.

          But Eller, rightfully so, is carrying the puck, and he’s much more effective and much more comfortable at the center position.

          I would move Galchenyuk to center and Desharnais to the wing.

          I know it has been mentioned here several times, but the time for that move can not come soon enough for me.

          My late father used to tell me; when you bring up a kid you need to put him in the position in which you want him to develop as soon as possible. The more games, the more experience Galchenyuk gets at center, the sooner we will be a contending team.

          Will Desharnais find himself on the wing? I will answer that with another question. Is he lighting it up at center?

          Will Galchenyuk struggle with his defensive zone responsibilities? Maybe.

          But if we play Bournival on his left side, Bournival can act as a defensive cover on that line. Bournival is a 200 foot, 3 zone, player. And I think that pairing could balance itself out.

          • Chris says:

            The problem with Bournival playing with the kids is that that line has no physical presence whatsoever. And it is a big responsibility for the rookie Bournival to be expected to cover for two of the weakest defensive forwards. I just can’t see Therrien rolling the dice that far unless he scales back their ice time.

            Prust and Pacioretty can’t return soon enough! The forwards are a mess without them.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Using facts can alter impressions (but often doesn’t on HIO).

  44. Eddie says:

    I have to say, I really like the character Patrick Holland has shown. Here’s a guy who has NHL speed and NHL hands – and potentially could become a top 9 skater in this league.

    But the Habs needed him to play 4th line minutes and he played very well in that role I thought.

    Last night he was the last man back on a 2 on 1?? and managed to break up the play, and he blocked a Vlassic shot from a terrific scoring position as well.

    Holland is a player I am liking more and more.

  45. Chris says:

    I am a bit surprised that Diaz is catching any blame whatsoever for the first goal. On that play, Jason Demers rushed the puck up and Demers, Couture and Marleau were coming over the line against Diaz. Ryan White was coming back and seemingly had Couture, so Diaz took Marleau.

    Diaz stopped Marleau, and the puck was in his skates while he battled with Marleau. White skated in behind Diaz thinking that the puck was going to go along the boards, and Couture cut through, catching Diaz’s foot as he went by and taking him down.

    White was now out of position, and Diaz was down, so Couture had a pretty easy path to the net.

    I can’t really blame anybody on the goal. Diaz busted up the initial play, but an accidental trip took him out and White was in the wrong place for the newly developed play. It was a power play, so the Sharks were naturally going to have a free man anyways.

    That is hockey. And getting beat by the likes of Couture, Thornton and Marleau isn’t really something that a team should hang their heads over. That is one of the 4 or 5 best trios in all of hockey.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      As desribed below, that’s pretty much the way it happened.
      The only other items were a bad, late forward change by the Habs along with both Moen and White stuck on the same side of the ice with Diaz. That left Thornton wide open

    • Eddie says:

      I also mentioned that accidental trip last night taking Diaz down and out of the play, and I totally agree with your analysis.

      Also, when was our last win when we scored zero goals?

      I would have to look that one up.

      • JF says:

        A few years ago we beat Florida 1-0 in a shootout. Last year we beat them 1-0 in OT.

      • Chris says:

        My biggest concern after watching the past few games is that teams are starting to send fast forecheckers in to shadow Subban, banking on that he is going to try to skate the puck out. He’s getting less time and space than usual, and he’s making more mistakes. I counted at least 3 or 4 last night where he would have been far better off dishing to Markov who could then send the puck up-ice, but Subban either waited too long to make that pass or tried to skate it out and got in trouble.

        Teams are adjusting to the Habs’ breakout. The ensuing chaos tires the players out and risks penalties and goals. Therrien and his staff need to adjust to the new tactics that teams are using against his team.

        • Eddie says:

          Does Therrien ever adjust when he is faced with new tactics?

          • Chris says:

            No, but I’ve been trying to be kind this season.

            I’m giving him some props for not relying so heavily on the swarm this year. You still see it occasionally, but that is natural. The defensive zone has been a little more structured this season.

  46. Mavid says:


    i saw this last night on CBC I know some of you will enjoy it

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  47. Lafleurguy says:

    Continuously motivating the fourth liners can be done by bringing up intact lines from the Bulldogs like Scottie Bowman did with Doug Risebrough/Mario Tremblay/Yvon Lambert.

    Projected Hamilton Lines:

    Tarnasky – Dumont – Leblanc
    Andrighetto – Duffy – Nystrom
    Quailer – Macenauer – Aliu
    Courtnall – Nattinen – Fournier

    Chouinard – Pateryn
    Schiestel – Nygren
    McIver – Ellis


    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Eddie says:

      From those 18 players, how many will eventually have NHL careers?

      My answer: 2 or 3.

      There’s not much there.

      Leblanc looks like he has finally figured it out at the AHL level, scoring in his last 3 games. I guess Patteryn will get a shot at some point, and Nygren has the offensive skills to play at a high level.

      • Chris says:

        That is one of the biggest challenges the team faces. The system is very, very shallow on forwards, particularly goal scorers. The development of the true NHL prospects can be stunted by not having anybody worth playing with. I think Leblanc still has some NHL potential, and he might be better off in the NHL as there is nobody of significant skill on the farm.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I think LL can be a decent third liner. This team is seriously lacking in scoring depth though. That is why I am still puzzled by wasting 4 mill in cap space on Briere who has been injury plagued and has not really produced in a few years.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Chris says:

            Finding legitimate scorers through free agency is always a crap shoot. Briere is a stop-gap.

            Last year was a terrible market, and the decent forwards got way too much coin and term. Montreal, with its impending Subban, Eller and Galchenyuk contracts over the next two seasons, need to be thinking long-term.

      • Bill J says:

        My guess is you are a “Glass half empty” kind of guy.

        But seriously, you can’t predict how many of these players are future NHLers. By saying 2-3, you’re being a bit over-pessimistic.

        Pateryn, Nygren, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc, Tokarski. All are virtual locks to make the NHL.

        Will they be dominant forces? I don’t know, nor do you.

        Try and live on the “Glass half full” side of things, you will be happier overall.

        Go Habs Go!

        • Chris says:

          It has nothing to do with glass half empty or glass half full. It is simply reality that most AHL teams only feature 2 or 3 guys that are likely to be NHL players (as opposed to guys that just get the occasional call up).

          Neither Beaulieu nor Tinordi was on the list that Ed was commenting on. He is a big fan of both guys.

          Like he said, I would say that only 2-3 of that list are NHL-calibre players: some subset of Leblanc, Nygren, Pateryn, and Dumont.

          Tokarski is a bit of a long-shot. He is already 24 years old, and he is undersized (5’11”) by NHL standards. In Montreal, he’s buried behind Price and Budaj, so he’s certainly not playing goal in Montreal unless somebody gets injured. His only hope is to play so well that some other team wants to acquire him and hope he can take their NHL job. Given that goalie deficient Tampa Bay gave up on him, he’s going to have a tough row to hoe.

          • Bill J says:

            Eddie painted the AHL, ironically as you did.

            Only 2-3 AHL players will ever play in the NHL.

            Selecting the projected roster because 2 guys didn’t make it to Hamilton on time to “prove a point” as even YOU are trying to make just to say. Normally only 2-3 AHL players will crack the NHL is absolutely pathetic.

            The players I’ve listed ARE in the AHL, and if you want to argue over the semantics of two players not available for THAT roster listed. Please do so with other glass half empty posters.

            Tokarski is as much a long shot as Halak was, don’t even!

            Go Habs Go!

          • Chris says:

            When discussing a list of players, it is usually acceptable to discuss just the guys on the list.

            If you want to insert Beaulieu and Tinordi, fill your boots. As I mentioned, Ed has been a big supporter of both guys and I think we all agree that they are NHL players. If you want to throw in Collberg, De La Rose, Lekhonen, McCarron, Fucale, Crisp, Bozon, Vail, and Hudon, you can certainly include them as well.

            But we were discussing the list above, and that list is not very impressive. Journeymen, career AHL’ers and never-will-bes dominate it. The most exciting kids are either already putting in time with the team (Bournival, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Tinordi, Beaulieu) or still in junior.

          • Bill J says:

            Chris you BOTH cited the AHL as being a 2-3 player source for NHL’ers don’t try and spin this any other way. Re read and you may understand how I read both his and your comments.

            Fill your boots critiquing THAT AHL roster, but the fact remains more than 2-3 Hamilton players will one day be in the NHL.

            Go Habs Go!

          • Chris says:

            Just go back and read the original post that you criticized…he was commenting on a specific list of players.

            You chose to over-react to that with the absolutely trite “glass half full” comment. My comment was probably unfair…the average seems to be closer to 4-5 players from a given AHL team in a particular season that become regulars. If you add Beaulieu and Tinordi, the only can’t miss prospects on the Bulldogs, then Ed’s comment about 2-3 is actually pretty accurate.

            At the end of the day, we’re all expressing opinions. If you think it is overly pessimistic, it is obviously your prerogative. The “Try and live your life on the “glass half full” side of things, you will be happier overall” comment just made you come across like a tool. Which is probably why Ed didn’t bother replying.

            You pulled this crap years ago when you felt people were unfair to Price, and now you’re in attack mode again. Chill out, as Price would say. Your optimism or my pessimism won’t ultimately make a lick of difference. Criticizing other people’s personality traits (which, for the record, you haven’t a clue about) earns you nothing.

            You feel that Ed can’t possibly know that only 2-3 will work out. He never said that he did. He expressed a comment, as I did.

            If we’re going to only deal in facts, then we should all just clam up because none of us will have much of anything to contribute.

            YOU moved to goalposts in the conversation and you were the one that turned it trite. Re-read the original reply and argue otherwise. I honestly think you are misreading what he said.

            I, on the other hand, overstated. If it makes you feel better, I apologize. But on that current roster, I will stand by the fact that most of those guys will never become regulars.

            I’ve seen people like you spouting ‘glass half-full’ comments for years, and yet most of those guys that were being touted are not with the team. Remember when it was St. Denis that couldn’t miss? Brendon Nash? Kyle Chipchura? Mathieu Carle? Yannick Weber? Alexander Avtsin? etc.

            Prospect development is extremely hit and miss. The guys that last often do so for a long time, meaning that there are not a lot of regular spots that pop up. Montreal is a bit unique in that they’ve had a couple of strong drafts in a row so we’ll see a “golden generation” of players come up in the next 2-3 years. But that is not even close to the norm.

  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    Many of us wanted Patrick Roy and Larry Robinson to be hired by the Habs in some capacity after the clear-out of the Gauthier/Gainey regime. Both had shown real talent as hockey coaches.

    Some said Patrick was too emotional and Larry too anxious.

    Colorado (9-1) and San Jose (9-1) got them instead.

  49. Kooch7800 says:

    Nathan Beaulieu and Holland sent down. Hopefully that means Murray is ready to come back

  50. HabFab says:

    On the prospect watch, big producers last night were;
    – Reway with a goal and assist
    – Bozon and Thrower both with 2 assists

  51. habstrinifan says:

    Just a short quick post. Please, beginning today, let’s lay off the blaming the refs post. It is becoming unsightly and distasteful. Let’s stand up and accept that the outcome of games are based on the competency and dynamism of a team’s play, including the upredictabilities of havoc they force or overcome.

    After every game more than one post appears blaming the referees for our lost. Defeatist nonsense.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      ^^^^^^^ !

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Refs were a little off there game. that in no way means they cost us the game. The sharks were the better team. Period.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Kooch7800 says:

      have to score goals to win a hockey game…

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Mustang says:

      While the refs are not perfect, fans seem to forget that the “inconsistent” calls go both ways. Some Habs fan will go ballistic when a ref misses a call against the opposition but says “oh well” when the perceived missed call was the other way. We have to remember that the refs are not fans and they are paid to work these games to the best of their ability. If they really don’t meet the standard, they probably will not be around very long.

  52. JF says:

    This game was a sobering dose of reality. Against a fast, well-organized, tight-checking San Jose team, the Habs looked impotent for most of the night. They kept us to the outside, forced us to take penalties, and capitalized on enough chances and lucky bounces to win. I think we had exactly one dangerous flurry in the entire game, but even there, Niemi just had to be competent. The Habs deserve credit for keeping the game close, but it’s clear that, missing key players and with a few rookies in the lineup,we’re not in the same league as the Sharks. The game reminded me of games against New Jersey when Brodeur was at the height of his powers – boring and frustrating.

    Meanwhile, the Leafs, whom most of us love to sneer at, beat the Peguins 4-1. You’d think that, having lost two in a row, the Pens would have refused to be beaten by the Leafs. The Leafs are certainly for real, and the Penguins may not be as good as people think.

    • Eddie says:

      Teams like the Sharks have been built to win.

      Sure they have 5 million dollar players, but so do we. Would you take Niemi over Price, or Vlassic and Boyle over Subban and Markov? I wouldn’t.

      How about Thornton and Marleau vs Plekanec and Pacioretty? I think that one is very close, maybe a draw.

      So what makes San Jose a contender and us a pretender?

      Being built to win, means having the right support cast, the great mix of size and speed who also bring consistent energy and a winning attitude.

      Prust would fit right in to that lineup. But would Desharnais or even Bourque make that team? Eller, Galchenyuk and Gallagher would all add great value to the Sharks, but would Moen at this point in his career? Bourque has the size and the speed but he does not bring a consistent effort, nor has he ever done so.

      I think the pro scouting which brought us Bourque, re-signed Moen, Desharnais, and Bouilon, and recently added Brere, is weaker than it needs to be. That’s about 14 million or about 22% of our payroll cap of 64 million, roughly.

      We have the core! We do not have the supporting cast. And the supporting cast is built by pro scouting and evaluation, not ONLY by drafting and waiting 4 or 5 years for those picks to make a difference.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        What are the 25 or so teams that aren’t in the top 5 built to do?

        And in any case the built to win Sharks have never been to the Stanley Cup finals.

        Right now they are the best team in the league. We are in the top half but not quite there (we lead the league in injuries).

        • Eddie says:

          All 30 teams are trying to make a profit, first and foremost.

          We have not been to the Stanley Cup finals since 1993.
          The Sharks first season of existence was 91/92.

          Which team has been more successful since 91/92 would you say?

    • JUST ME says:

      I`d rather be compared to a machine like the Sharks than to a goon squad like the Bruins honestly.

      We kept with them for a while but could not keep up the fast pace imposed by those guys. I agree that injuries was a factor on our side but as they say it is part of the game. This contest had a real value for the kids on the team. This is what you need to be ready for and must expect from the opponents and from yourselves.

      Still with the roster we have i am not sure that every player is able to compete and can be compared to such a machine. Well let`s be honest here, most of the teams in the league are not up to par with the Sharks.

  53. pmaraw says:

    I’m at the point were I don’t think I can call the ref’s blind anymore. To me, it’s racism. Not just against P.K. it’s much broader than that. Penalties happen directly in front of them on a regular basis. I’ve watched a few other teams games, col vs pit for one, paying close attention to what’s called in those games and it’s all the same stuff that doesn’t get called in our games.

    My suggestion, new chant ‘refs are racist!’

    • JF says:

      Where’s the racism? To me they look incompetent and inconsistent and sometimes biased.

      • pmaraw says:

        the racism is in their hearts. Their obvious attempts to act incompetent, inconsistent and biased has you fooled, but not me.

        honestly I don’t see the inconsistent part tho, cause it’s been happening pretty much every game.

  54. Bash says:

    We were outplayed? Yes. But we had enough chances to win the game. And with this severely depleted lineup against a good Sharks team what the hell were you expecting? I know they were missing some regulars too but at their stage of development their depth allows then to handle that a little easier.

    Insert Prust, Pacioretty, Emelin and perhaps Murray. Then we’ll take another look.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  55. george@baronbyng says:

    Hi Ronn, you are up early!
    I totally agree with what you are saying. I believe though that some luck is involved in all transactions. There will be teams on the bubble of making the playoffs that would need a Plekanec or a Markov. If they were acquired and still not make the playoffs – and as now all non-playoff teams have a chance of getting the first pick – I would go for it. In any case having multiple first round draft choices gives the GM more flexibility in trading up. I wonder if we had another first rounder in the last draft if we would have been able to trade upwards for Morin or Monahan. In any case I agree with you, that what I am saying is not easy —- and I will not mention Lafleur and Pollock!

  56. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! Will be heading home shortly. What a wonderful time Chris and I had. To all those traveling today please have a safe trip and to all the locals, thank you for sharing with us your wonderful city. I’m jealous. 🙂

    Talk soon.


  57. Maritime Ronn says:

    Had a look at the Logan Couture goal, and first thought there may have been a trip there.
    Looking at the replay, the ref was right not to call a trip.

    At the 20 second mark of the video below, Diaz got caught flat footed and came to a stand still.
    He then lost a puck stick battle.
    Being stationary, he tried to impede Couture’s progress by sticking out his left leg.
    Couture skated right through it knocking Diaz down.

    A bad late change by the PK forwards didn’t help.
    White and/or Moen were also way out of position as both were within 6-7 feet of the side boards along with Diaz… leaving Thornton wide open on the opposite side.
    Easy goal for skilled players.


    • HabFab says:

      Good find… that angle gives a much better perspective then the game ones in which it appeared Diaz was hooked or tripped.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      All kidding aside, why do people on this site make every excuse in the book for Diaz? I dump on him a lot on this site because it’s warranted. You watch the games, he gets bumped off the puck and it results in scoring chances night after night. I just don’t get it?

      If you go to the game, you cheer and never boo an individual player on your own team, ever! But this site is where the truth should be told. :-).

      • HabFab says:

        I believe I might qualify but as I have said on here in the past. I hope in hell he is not a Hab in 2 years and I know a number of others feel the same way. Our issues with the anti-Diaz crowd is probably two fold;
        1- find the haters (those that incessantly go on negatively about a player or team) extremely irritating in their ranting.
        2- proposed replacements have been ridiculous from bring up the prospects before they are ready, to picking up other teams rejects who can’t skate, pass, move the puck or anything else other then act as a MOAR pylon.

        Hopefully this helps you in your search for enlightenment 😉

  58. Cape Breton says:

    Team still can’t get out of its own end.
    It seems to me
    that the players have not been aggressive enough and as a result are always being outworked.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Always being outworked? With all due respect, watch the games.
      Last night they were outplayed, not outworked. They were outmuscled, not outworked.
      The sharks are the better team, but the Habs greatly “outworked” Anaheim on thursday.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  59. george@baronbyng says:

    Good morning from sunny Athens, Greece. Bad economy or not it is a booming 20*C today. Although we have played only 11 games this season, it is now more than obvious that we are not a Stanley Cup contender. Far from it – we might not even make the playoffs. With Detroit having moved to our conference and with Toronto, NY Islanders and Carolina much improved, and even with Price playing at his best – this will go down to the wire.
    What we must do then is follow the plan – strengthen this club for 2015. Even with the last two draft years (10 picks in first three rounds), we are still in need of at least 2 impact players. There is a reason that Galchenyuk is so good. He was the third overall pick. There is a reason that Chicago is so good. Their two impact players were chosen first and second overall. Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin follow the same story. What I am trying to say is that since we are obviously building for the near future, it would be optimal if we can be in the position to draft very high – without bottoming out. We need to acquire first round draft choices and if we are lucky – draft very high. Obtain first round draft choices at the trade deadline for players that will not be part of the future: Markov, Gionta, Plekanec and Gorges. You might argue with Plekanec but with Galchenyuk and Eller there is no need for a $5m third line center – who has also never played well in the playoffs. I never understood why we did not trade Ryder for a first rounder at the deadline last year – we knew that we would not re-sign him and we also knew that we were not going to win the Cup.
    Just some thoughts on this Sunday morning.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi Gorge

      In your scenario of trade deadline deals for the older guys – and if it ever came to that, the only teams that would take a chance are true Cup contenders.

      Those same would end up drafting most likely from #22-#30 in Round 1 and while some good players may be had at those positions, they would not be the same as a Top 1-5 draft player as history has shown and using your Pitt/Chicago examples.

      While trading Ryder at the deadline may have been logical in hindsight, that would have also sent a surrender message to the team and the fans.
      The team would have lost confidence in management moving forward, and that is never a good thing.

      Lastly, all great teams have a mix of good vets, younger guys, and role players.
      Pittsburgh has not won a Cup since Bill Guerin and Gonchar lead the way.

  60. Marc10 says:

    What Hobie said.

  61. Timo says:

    Key words – Doug Wilson was able to retool on the fly. Can same be said about Bergevin? Habs are in the rebuild mode yet again and we are looking at another pyatiletka at least.

    I came back at almost 2 am from the night out and was debating whether to watch the game. Thank god I didn’t. It sounds like it was pretty bad… and that’s from the pink lemonade crowd. Imagine what my impression of it would have been.

    And here I thought Habs, finished second in the conference and all, things looked great, it’s only up from here. Sigh. Same old shit from this team.

    • Harditya says:

      Bergevin should offer DD to Florida for Gomez.. oh the response that trade would get hahaha

      • Timo says:

        That would be something. I’d do it just to stir the pot 🙂

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Tallon built the Cup winning Hawks.
        Tallon would never do that deal unless he is looking to sell Quebec snow bird partial season ticket packages come January.

        Gomez is on a 1 year-$900K contract.
        Davy is on a 4 year-$3.5M contract per year.

        11 games-Gomez has 1 goal and 3 assists this year.
        11 games-Davy has 0 goals and 1 assist this year.

        Gomez has played 149 minutes.
        Davy has played 164 minutes.

        Why pay almost 4 times more for less and little?

        Tallon would also see that in Davy’s last 42 games, he has 3 goals and 12 Assists.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Marc Bergevin had nothing to retool Timo. Doug Wilson’s elite team dipped to good, he made a few changes and got back to elite.

      Bergevin inherited a poor to mediocre team and has managed to reach the status of good for short periods of time. He’s handed out a couple head scratching contracts to Desharnais and Briere but hasn’t mortgaged the team’s future. He’s got another couple seasons before he gets in any sort of hot water.

  62. Phil Dude says:

    I don’t know why ppl are cropping on Diaz. You change the team’s culture if you get rid of DD. Briere is just a symptom. Diaz really is the least of our problems.

  63. savethepuck says:

    After the first 11 games of an 82 game regular season, it is impossible to anoint 1 team a Stanley Cup favorite and the other an also ran. The Sharks were the better team TONIGHT yes, but anything can happen in 1 of 82 games in the regular season. There were times in tonight’s game, that our Habs could of put themselves back in the game with an opportunistic goal. Many times that Niemi had no clue where the puck was but we fanned on a puck or missed a great opportunity. Yes they were the better team, but it is not like the Habs didn’t have a chance to win this hockey game. That 2nd goal was a total fluke, I think it went of the hole for cameramen as opposed to the stanchion.
    I still have faith in our Habs, but 4 more games in the next 7 nights with 2 back to backs will definitely be very tough.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  64. gmur says:

    Guess I’m optimistic, but I just watched the shortened version of the game on RDS and I found that the game could easily have gone either way. Especially in the 2nd, the Canadiens were all over the Sharks at times. One lucky bounce made it 2-0, (boy can Price seem nonchalant on plays at times) and that was that. The Western New Jersey Devils played perfect, boring shutdown hockey.

    The refereeing was particularly bad. Is it now acceptable to drive players into the boards head first without a call? …Was Gallagher ever mauled at times. And the Sharks were hooking all the time. I thought I was back in the 80s for a while…

    …storm the crease like bumblebees…

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      And the reason Diaz was “bounced on his duff,” as Booner put it, was because he was tripped! Yet no call. And the Sharks score.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • savethepuck says:

      Agree with could of gone either way, disagree with the non chalant Carey comment. What was he supposed to do on that? Absolute BS luck on that goal.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Clay says:

        He was supposed to try. No shame in letting a goal in like that – it was a terrible bounce. But he didn’t even make an effort to get back.

        ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

  65. punkster says:

    Home…finally…and had a great night at the summit event, Habs loss excepted.

    But don’t let the TV coverage fool you…in person, from high above and with the ability to see the entire ice surface as the plays developed, the Habs were not as bad as some here seem to think.

    Were they good?…well, nowhere near as good as they can be or should be to beat the best in the league.

    Were they bad?…lord help us all but between the Habs playing in a fog and the Sharks tight fore checking (3 forwards at times, deep in the Habs end) there was just no room to move…as evidenced by the ridiculous number of icing calls the Habs took.

    And those penalty calls, non calls and the weird bounce off the boards for that second goal…well, let’s just say the boys need to file this under “L” for Lessons Learned.

    Give us a full roster and a focused P.K. (he seemed to be floundering on the planet WTF at times) and they can give a much better showing.

    Great summit…great people…I urge you all to consider joining us next year.


  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …for those of Us unfortunate not to make this year’s/tonight’s HIO Summit in Montreal, organized by the One and only Ian Cobb esq., Hab Fan Extraordinaire

    …The Gazette and Stu have placed tens of photos of the printable activities of the Summit on the front-page of The Gazette’s online page this evening


  67. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …on a positive note, Louis Leblanc scored again tonight in a 3-1 ‘Dogs’ victory over Utica

  68. Marc10 says:

    What a clinic. They skate, they’ve got active sticks and they get in the lanes. And they’re big. Boring hockey, but it gets the job done. Good thing we don’t see those guys until March.

  69. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …funny, earlier this evening I was gushing about My preference to find both Beaulieu and Tinordi Their places in the regular line-up …and let Them learn up here, come what may

    …in My eyes, projecting Markov, PK, Beaulieu, Diaz and Tinordi (whom I consider is very mobile for a big man) as THE most offensively mobile D in the NHL

    …well, I came back down to Earth watching how Robinson has formed the Sharks’ defense in one Hell of a mobile back-end that compliments San Jose’s forward weapons up-front to a T

    …the Sharks’ D is everything We hope Ours’ will be

    • mksness says:

      Tinordi needs to be quicker on his feet. in todays game you have to be fast to be a good defence men. it’s easy to impress in pre season but he has a way to go.

      beaulieu in my eyes has a better shot in the line up because of his speed and passing. but as with all young D he has to learn how to be responsible in his own end. he didn’t look bad tonight but he wasn’t very good against the ducks; some horrible turnovers

      where has eller been the last few games? he hasn’t looked as involved in the play. gonna need the pleks line to continue their good play as well as improve to open up some ice for the other lines.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …unrealistic in My opinion waiting for Eller to be a superstar …that won’t happen

        …good and solid …but no more

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        Both Tinordi and Beaulieu are projects. Lots of potential, but lots to learn.

        Meanwhile, Eller and the Gallys are discovering what happens when you become the line other teams key on. Not so easy to freewheel anymore.

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  70. jols101 says:

    Was just over on HF Boards reading the mass hysteria but there were a couple of interesting tidbits. –

    1- Chucky has apparently been dating the beautiful and talented young tennis star from Montreal(I forget her name). If true, good for you Chucky. Can’t blame him for being a little weak in the knees. lol.

    2- Dave Talon was at the Bell Center tonight. Rumors about a DD trade. Probably just wishful thinking on their part.

  71. jimmy shaker says:


    Shaker out!

  72. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …ironically on the previous thread I posted a comment predicting no ALN tonight

    …well, Mike, looks like I am completely wrong about You 🙂

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