About last night …

JonesCH

Man, was Therrien a tad potty-mouthed during the latest installment of that great documentary series? The coach was dropping f-bombs like the Luftwaffe over London.

The tirade came 10 days ago in Calgary, when the Canadiens began their western Canada road trip with a weak effort against the Flames.

We can only imagine what Michel F. Therrien had to say after the first period Saturday night. Playing in front of the usual raucous Bell Centre sellout crowd, the Canadiens had two shots on goal in the first 14 minutes, were outshot 14-6 in the period and trailed 1-0 on a power play goal by Shea Weber.

As has been the case in each of his starts since the opener, Carey Price was brilliant and kept the Canadiens in it.

They played better during the subsequent 40 minutes of the game. But Nashville set the tone early, winning races and one-on-one battles.

Lars Eller’s disallowed goal notwithstanding, the visitors were  full value for their win. The Predators  were ferocious in pursuing the puck and tenacious once they got it.

And Nashville did a good job neutralizing the home team’s strengths. P.K. Subban was harassed and denied his usual vast expanses of open ice. He had a grand total of two shot attempts, one of which was blocked while the other missed the net. Subban also took two minors – although the embellishment call was highly duvious and reinforced the impression, gathering steam in some quarters, that the officials have it in for one of the league’s brightest talents.

Dany Dubé, the excellent analyst on French radio broadcasts, said Nashville kept the Canadiens “on the wall” all night. The Predators gave the home team precious few opportunities to get good looks at goaltender Pekka Rinne from high-percentage shooting locations.

The only forward line that generated any in-close pressure on Rinne was the Usual Suspects: Eller, Brendan Gallagher, who had nine of the Canadiens’ 29 shots and scored his fourth goal of the season; and Alex Galchenyuk. The line had 14 of the team’s 29 SoG. That speaks to the kids’ talent, but also to the meagre contributions of the other forwards.

David Desharnais went 3-8 in the faceoff circle, had no shots on goal and was on the ice for Jones’s winner – which was scored after Travis Moen failed at the elementary task of chipping the puck out of the Canadiens zone. Rene Bourque had one SoG.

For one of the rare times in his young career, Galchenyuk was not the best teenager on the ice. That honour goes to Nashville’s Seth Jones, who scored the winning goal.

A 19-year-old defenceman playing 27:29? Are you kidding me?

And can someone explain how this kid lasted four picks into the draft last summer?

Jones grew up in Denver, where his father played pro basketball for the NBA Nuggets. But the kid loved the Avalanche and gravitated toward hockey.

Running his first draft as Colorado executive VP, Joe Sakic, who was Seth Jones’s hero, picked Nathan MacKinnon first overall. Florida general manager Dale Tallon used the second pick on Finnish forward Aleksander Barkov.

Jones was still available when Tampa Bay drafted third overall. Steve Yzerman, who will have final say on whether P.K. goes to Sochi, picked Jonathan Drouin.

And Nashville GM David Poile got a kid who combines with Shea Weber to give Nashville the best D tandem in the league … by a lot.

Of course, Montrealers forfeited the right to second-guess draft choices when the Canadiens took Doug Wickenheiser over Denis Savard, Mark Napier ahead of Mike Bossy and Andrei Kostitsyn over …

It’s too depressing to remember the 2003 draft, especially after a tough loss. So let’s look at some game numbers:

The stat I found astonishing was Hits. For the first time in their eight games this season, the Canadiens were on the long end of the hit tally.

The stat sheet says the Canadiens outhit Nashville 23-10. Why, then, did it seem like the visitors won every puck battle all night long?

And why did the team with that big a Hit advantage lose two forwards to injury?

Daniel Brière suffered his third concussion in as many seasons. He could be out for a while.

Of greater concern is a late-game injury to Brandon Prust.

Unless Edward Snowden goes to work for the team’s PR department, the Canadiens will not offer an update on Prust’s condition until Monday … if then. But it didn’t look good. Prust skated off the ice favouring a shoulder that has been wonky since last season.

Elevated to Top 9 duty during the absence of Max Pacioretty, Prust has re-energized linemates Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta. If the rugged winger is on the shelf for any length of time, the Canadiens are in a mess of early-season trouble.

Add Pacioretty, Brière and Prust to a list that includes George Parros and defencemen Alexei Emelin, Douglas Murray and Davis Drewiske.

Quality depth is a challenge in the salary cap era. I don’t know which forwards are likely to be summoned from Hamilton?

Patrick Holland? The eternal Gabriel Dumont?

Is Louis Leblanc still in pro hockey?

 

 

 

 

668 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    @shut66. Amen amigo. TSN highlites at the saloon today was all about Habs getting bitch slapped and some rookie Kid (Jones) walking in and scoring a duck. Why didn’t someone run the bugger in the first like Trotz had his lads doing? Where the f#ck is the nasty?

    • ProHabs says:

      All of the nasty is on the IR. We are the same small non physical team we have been the last 5 years until some of the injured come back (Parros, Prust, Emelin, Murray)

  2. Eddie says:

    Why didn’t anyone sign Vinny Prospal after Columbus bought him out?

    He put up 30 points last season as a 37 year old in 48 games, and 55 points in the previous full season.

    6’2! So he’s no smurf although he would only go 1 yr at a time because of his age.

    Anyone have any information about him?

    • SteverenO says:

      yes. The Blue Jackets scored 9 Power Play goals with Prospal on the ice in 127 minutes of PP time . On goal every 14 minutes is very Poor productivity. Even though he personally scored 4 PP goals and counted three assists I would not recommend him to be on any NHL powerplay. At even strength he was right around average, his team having scored a goal every 25 minutes, while allowing a goal every 28 minutes.

      His offensive contribution declined compared to the year before but he was better defensively. Probably good enough to be on the third line on pretty much any team in the NHL but not good enough for top line minutes or special team play.

      regards,

      Steve O.

  3. habstrinifan says:

    Steven October 20, 2013 at 7:02 pm
    “You have to figure his career could very well be over after this 3rd concussion.”

    Been out of touch most of day… has it been reported that Briere suffered a concussion?

    • Eddie says:

      I don’t think it’s officially announced yet but…..edit it is confirmed

    • Fransaskois says:

      Unfortunately yes, they were pretty quick to diagnose it.

      http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=434560

      And in response to the LL vs. Bournival waaaay down the page….

      Yeah, Leblanc has a definite step up in terms of on-ice IQ. He gets thrown to the wolves around here a lot but he is definitely ahead of the curve where smarts are concerned. Bournival relies a lot on his speed, agility, and physical attributes to have a good defensive game while Leblanc’s positioning and anticipation are really his strong points. Same thing offensively, Bournival opens up room for himself with his speed and grit while Leblanc reads the play and creates a lot of offence by being smart with the puck, finding open lanes, offensive positioning etc. Leblanc’s shot, release, and playmaking skills are better but Bournival’s ability to open up room, drive the net, and finishing ability are (at this point) superior. East-West (Leblanc) vs. North-South (Bournival).

      They aren’t that far apart but that’s just my opinion.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Thanks for your response. And I appreciate the fact that you directly addressed the details. I don’t dispute that LL has good hockey IQ, but Bournival’s is quite good as was evident in the Memorial Cup. He was an outstanding ice presence mostly because of his ‘read’ of the game and situations.

  4. shutt66ct says:

    Love the idea of signing Staubitz, bring up Tarnasky and Dumont and get tougher to play against. It’s been too long watching our smaller skill guys getting pounded. Last night when Briere got hit the replay clearly show DD going the other way to avoid conflict, not that he could do anything anyway. It’s hard to believe the amount of beef we have on the DL.

    Habs fan in Connecticut

  5. AH says:

    Let’s sign Staubitz, and then when we play the Bruins, Sens and Leafs, our 4th line s/b Prust centering Staubitz and Parros! LOL!

  6. sCOTT1243 says:

    Considering many on this site flip flop like fish out of water, one thing is clear…. the rookies are taking control of this team. Let’s just hope our vets wake up.

    Injuries will kill us, we can’t have 5 or 6 china dolls.

    The team is good this year and we will beat alot of teams especially when Emelin returns and Price keeps playing well.

    White has played well lately, he wins faceoffs, hits and will stand up for his guys….a good 4th liner. That penalty was bad luck thats all.

    These games will happen, habs got beat by a goal, not by 8. We simply need a healthy squad and we will be competitive.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Do people really flip flop or do you just see differing opinions more prevalent at different times? I know I can’t keep track of who believes what with the exception of the more prominent posters.

      Well besides that point, I think you’re correct. I don’t expect much from Bourque, but I’d like to see more from Gionta and Plekanec.

  7. frontenac1 says:

    Never liked JM but when the game got boring he would tap Brad on the the shoulder and he would Damn well go out there and cause a Ruckus! Sign him up Marc!

  8. Mattyleg says:

    Yeah!!
    Nothing like a bunch of fighting to win games!
    Look at our game against Toront…
    …oh.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      On the contrary, I thought the Habs played half decent against Toronto. I thought the games we lost and DIDN’T fight in, such as Calgary and Nashville, we played very poorly.

      Maybe this means they play better when they fight?

  9. Mike D says:

    Agreed. Nothing worse than sh*tty pu$$y!

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  10. Mike D says:

    Thoughts on Briere:

    With Briere having his 3rd concussion in as many years, you have to wonder if/why he’d even bother playing again. I mean, he’s got a family, has already had a better career than most, is already 36, and even he must realize he’s not nearly as effective as he used to be. He’s guaranteed all 8mil over the next two years no matter what, and I have a hard time believing that a guy who has made as much money as he has in the NHL is really interested playing beyond the age of 38 for much smaller dollars than he’s used to.

    While I would never wish injury or ill-will on a Habs player, his getting hurt could actually be a good thing for the team. Since he’s on a 35+ contract we’re stuck with his cap hit even if he retires, BUT, if he stays on the IR (a la Chris Pronger) for the duration of his contract, we get the 4mil cap relief and can put that money to better use. I wouldn’t use the money on another FA personally. It would be much better spent on re-signing our youngsters.

    - Honestly yours
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  12. frontenac1 says:

    Staubitz on Waivers? Pick him up! Love the guy!

  13. PeterD says:

    Staubitz on waivers…I say MB should pick him up…I am sick of watching our Habs get manhandled every game.
    Last night Gaustad was running and roughing up all night and no one stepped up.
    Every game Gallagher takes a beating along the boards…I know that’s a big part of his game…but with his talent we can not afford to lose to an errant elbow or cheap roughing.
    We need a couple of guys that will say…no one touches or takes advantage of our top nine players or our d-men…why didn’t anyone step up and take the guy out that did the head shot on Gorges??
    I’m sick of this. Time to add the toughness that we supposedly got this summer…we may now be losing Proust and he’s obviously been hurting the last few games.
    We don’t know when Parros will be ready to play “his game” and Murray could never play for us.
    In the mean time every game this team plays they get further and further beaten up with no one or two stepping in and saying…”thats enough, no more”.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I was at the game.
      None of what you say happened.

      That is all.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Forum Dog says:

      I agree with some of these points. I thought the same thing about the hit on Gorges. He got run and no-one stepped up. Had it been against another Hab, you know Gorges would have at least tried to respond. Too bad.

      Also true about Gaustad. He and Nystrom ran around and threw a few late and high hits. It would have been good to see someone let them know that they weren’t going to be able to take liberties. Not necessarily saying there had to be a scrap, because the threat of accountability may have been enough. That said, the better response would have been for the Habs to create an aggressive forecheck of their own. Unfortunately, there are only about three of the top nine forwards who are willing and able to play that style.

      Bottom line – the Habs did not play a hard enough game, especially at the end. Price was great again, and the “1st” line was excellent. I thought Bournival did well with limited ice.

      I don’t think they need Staubitz though. He is not a player.

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  15. HabFab says:

    Doesn’t appear after today that Hamilton has much to offer us right now.

  16. Steeltown Hab says:

    Now’s the time to give Leblanc a shot. He had 1-off year and the org is giving him the Eller treatment.

    Pacioretty, Briere, Prust out, Leblanc is the only option, please no Blunden and Dumont (nothing against them, we just know what we’ll get).

    Leblanc plays an extremely similar game to Bournival, just probably lacks that higher end speed Bournival has, 2-way guys like them will never hurt this team.

    It’s the 1-dimensional guys who are marginal at that dimension who are useless (DD, Briere, Thomas, probably Holland)

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    • Fransaskois says:

      Leblanc has not looked too hot in Hamilton so far. They’re trying to jumpstart him and teach him a lesson.

      However, him playing in the NHL could be just what he needs. I’d rather Leblanc on the third line than Moen.

      Leblanc has a much higher “hockey IQ” than Bournival, better offensively and a much more cerebral player. Not quite as physically gifted though. He’s not perfect but he is effective.

      Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
      Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
      Bournival-Desharnais-Leblanc <— Flying Frenchmen! :D
      Tarnasky-White-Moen

  17. oldtimerguy says:

    trade deadline…

    pleks, gio, moen, markov, bouillon, murray, briere.

    That’s roughly 24 million, and we are not winning a cup with them in the next 2-3 yrs. Its time to go young, build around the very good young core we have, build through the draft, save capspace by selling off the vets, promote some prospects, and be in a REAL position to win in a few yrs. What we have now is fluff…it won’t work…too many overpaid vets, too many small guys in the lineup at once, not enough size with skill…

    This team needs to be transitioned at the deadline and that is just the way it is…we can all wish for a better outcome for this team, but no amount of wishing for it will make it happen.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Only significant piece of this team I’d say deal is maybe Gio if the deal is right (tough to trade captain before the playoffs though).

      Most of all look at moving Gorges, that contract is going to start to look bad soon and he definitely has strong trade value around the league.

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      • Mike D says:

        Gorges is a tough one. When games get tighter late in the season and playoffs, his style of play has more value. He also had a lot of value in a JM-like system. Oddly enough, he’d be a perfect piece on teams like Nashville and NJ. MT’s system doesn’t help JG’s game, but I prefer MT system over JM’s.

        The biggest problem isn’t Gorges, but his salary. If he was making 2.9 and playing in the 5/6 spot with lots of PK time and D-zone starts, it would be much better than him making 3.9 playing the 3/4 spot with so much 5-on-5 time.

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    • Fransaskois says:

      Yep, I hope we’re sellers at the deadline, even if our players come back from injury and we’re competitive. In the future, we will be twice the team we are now if we build around our core. This transition is key.

      We can always sign FAs to help support our young players.

    • Mike D says:

      Pleks are Markov are both undervalued by SO many people – I just don’t get it. Pleks isn’t as gritty as we’d all like and doesn’t put up as many points as we’d like, but he does SO many other important things well. If people are anointing Eller his successor, then keeping him around so Eller can continue to learn is a good idea. On Markov, people seemed to really sour on him during the time he was injured. Sure he’s not as fast or as good a skater as he used to be, and many are just waiting for the injury shoe to drop on him again, but don’t think for one second that he doesn’t make our team considerably better. He makes P.K. a better player and vice-versa. Weren’t they hands down the highest scoring D-duo last year…by a mile?

      Moen has value too on a team that needs size and grit the way we do. He made a costly error last night and last season was forgettable, but it isn’t like we have tons of NHL-ready prospects that fit his mold. Also, he gets less than 2mil/season! Guys like that aren’t really a problem.

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      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Thank you for that ‘hockey smarts’ post

      • Harditya says:

        Good post. Logical and intelligent, though I have to admit even I thought Plekanec’s offensive game had been diminishing lately. But a lot of his other attributes and skills are undoubtedly undervalued. Neither Eller or Desharnais are as defensively responsible as him.

        • oldtimerguy says:

          I’m constantly surprised how so many thoughtful intelligent hockey fans here just don’t seem to get it. Of course eller and desharnais and galchenyuk are not as well rounded as pleks nor are they fully ready to be true leaders or seasoned vets like pleks, gio or markov…that is PRECISELY the point,…. by moving them at the deadline, for sure we finish lower in the standings…and that’s a good thing for a year or 2…it allows us to a) save cap space, which is king in this market, b) it allows us to draft higher, and c) promote from within the system and let some of the young prospects learn how to play(Holland, leblanc, collberg, McCarron, de la rose, hudon, andrighetto, crisp, ellis, dietz, Bennett, nygren etc..) …. and it lets our young core we have now(pacc, galch, gally, eller, subban, tinordi, beaulieu, bourneval), mature into becoming the new vets and leaders… all the while the prospects mature…. and cap space allows us to sign some other key vets we will likely need in 2 yrs time..but remember, those vets we sign in 2-3 yrs time will at that point be 29,30,31, 32, whereas pleks will by then be 34-35 and markov, gio, will be 37-38…

          I agree that pleks and gio and markov and gorges and moen are all good vets now, good players now…but, they are all aging quickly, have had some serious injuries and, most importantly, we don’t have a chance of winning with them in the next 2-3 yrs at least…by which time, they will be worthless on the market…

          the time is this deadline. Im sorry for all you pleks lovers, but this is the best way forward, regardless of what you happen to think. :-)

      • oldtimerguy says:

        short term thinking isn’t winning us any cups…

        20 yrs fellas…20

    • chanchilla says:

      You mean like Edmonton, they’re doing real well wouldn’t you say with no veterans right?

    • JUST ME says:

      That`s basically what the plan has been all along. 9 players without deals at the end of the season so apart from P.K. and Eller some of them will go and we might as well get something from the ones that are going .

      But mostly you need a bottle of tequila or a caisse of beer to drink your sorrow away and while your at it buy a lottery ticket since you already know that with 5 wins 3 losses we are not going anywhere. You seem to be a visionnary so guess what the winning numbers will be at lottery !

      I think that Bergevin and his team are doing better than they expected but their plan involved finishing a few costly deals, building the farm team back up and the coaching staff.

      Vets we will always need and name me one vet that is not overpaid . Can`t have only kids in the lineup and please get over the smurf thing . Such a cheap and easy excuse .
      Just make a list of your keepers on the team and you will soon notice that we are not as far away from having a very promissing team than you think. Give it time. It is year 2 of the Bergevin era.

  18. on2ndthought says:

    I had a bad feeling heading into last night’s game; but now I feel I was wrong and we played a good game. It was another fluke loss, White’s flick of the puck over the glass, a 5 on 3 and down 1-0. After that a see-saw against a pretty good team and one of the best goalies on the planet. One point would have been nice, the deuce great, but we played a good game, had our chances, and buried one taken back by officials who don’t understand physics or are the great skeptics of our age. OK les boys, a la prochaine!

    “a cannonading drive”

    • SmartDog says:

      Damn!

      I didn’t know that was White. WTF is it with this guy? He’s a bad penalty machine. He’s like Schleprock walking around with a cloud over his head. Trade the bad penny someplace else! Trade him!

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    • Cape Breton says:

      Habs have a very difficult time scoring and getting puck out of their own end. Sloppy way too much. This has been the story for way too many seasons, but 21,000 at the turnstiles every single game makes management content to put up with MEDIOCRITY.
      Just like the BS that Leaf fans have taken for the past 44 years.

  19. nova scotia vees says:

    Can’t seem to log in from my blackberry. Just checking to see if this works.

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    Hab stats in a 30 team league.
    Not all teams have played the same amount of games. So the spread of total points will narrow in the coming weeks.
    I will post these stats every Sunday throughout the year, with the previous weeks numbers.

    Total points———10, We are in 14th place.
    Goals for————26, We are in 9th place.
    Goals against——15, We are in 3rd place.
    Goal differential–+11, We are in 4th place.

    Not to shabby numbers for a badly bruised squad. Out of 30 teams.

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  21. nychabsfan says:

    Fransaskois hits on an excellent point,our record is not indicative of our play.In each game really only 1 very good period,Price and Budaj were exceptional,same for EGG Line and Subban.All I casn think about when I see Briere is how we should have had Lecavalier instead but the GM is too tightfisted to make it happen,we lost him because he would not pull the trigger on 2 extra years,even lecavs’ last 2 years would be far superior to what we are going to get with Briere.That accidental hit on him was not that bad,if that knocks him out for serious time then we are really in trouble.This is the second coming of Gomez,I can smell it.Deharnais worked 2 years ago because of Cole,we do not have that size /skillto assist with the current linemates .I have had that feeling that this team is not as good as its’ record indicates and got carries away with the wins BUT games like last night greatly illustrate our weaknesses and now be prepared to go w/o Prust,Paches and briere(however based on recent play that may not be as worrysome…)
    nychabshan

    • Cape Breton says:

      For the most part, I agree pal except that Pax and Prust are needed on this soft and unambitious team. That is, except for six: Price, # 49, PK and the Eller/two G line.

  22. NightRyder says:

    I am pleased to learn Ron Reusch is alive and that Boone has a friend.

    Also, I was pleased to discover Ken Dryden’s latest writing gem:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9793466/the-game-new-chapter

  23. Cape Breton says:

    Les Boys are not hungry enough. Have a difficult time getting out of their own end. Very sloppy on D.

    They are a one-line team: Eller, and the two young Gs. The old G, Gionta, is over the hill.

    An up and comer, however, is #49, whom I find is a very, very smart player. Watch him folks. He will eventually work his way up the depth chart to top 6 forward.

  24. habsfan0 says:

    Bills and Chargers both win again on same day.
    Sounds like a trend.

    Pending tonight’s Denver – Indy game, the Bills are the only NFL team to score at least 20 points in each of their first 7 games.

    As they are still only 3-4,perfect example of a misleading statistic.

  25. jols101 says:

    RE: Habs Power Play- Our PP is very good when Subban and Markov are on their games. These 2 guys are the key to our PP. When they are clicking we can have the Eller line, Pleks’ line, or even the DD line on the ice and be successful. Last night Subban and Markov were both off. Pucks were bouncing over their sticks, they were making poor decisions when pressured and just seemed not to be into the game. Luckily, they play great more often then not, and they are the reason why we have success on the PP.

  26. Harditya says:

    What’s wrong with the Bulldogs wow..Being outshot 23-9 through two periods and 0 shots on goal this period. Won’t be surprised if Sylvain Lefebvre is fired soon. With all the prospects making the jump lately to the AHL we all expected growing pains..but this has been quite the horrid stretch dating back to last season. Lots of players underachieving.

  27. youngwun says:

    Last nights game was terrible. We didn’t deserve to win. I feel bad for Carey, he was trying hard .

  28. Fransaskois says:

    I don’t think our record is indicative of how poorly our skaters have played. Most of us have watched these games and IN EVERY SINGLE GAME I/we have been disappointed by how poorly our team has played. Check the live blogs. I think we’ve had three periods of consistent, competitive hockey. The EGG line and Subban have been the only consistent skaters or difference makers when we’ve played.

    Price is the reason we’ve been anywhere near competitive or have won these games. Our team needs to be more than one line, one defenceman and a good goalie.

    That’s not negative, that’s just honest. Just because we’ve won, it doesn’t mean we’ve played well or “deserved” to win.

    I’d strongly encourage other fans to watch games around the league to get a better perspective on where our team is at. Heck, just look at their rosters and compare. We shouldn’t be expecting our team to be high-end and we shouldn’t be surprised and broken hearted when they’re bad.

    We’ll be a little better when our injury situation gets cleared up but, no doubt about it, we’re in a state of transition. Our mediocre players will play like mediocre players and hopefully our young players will continue to improve. It’s not the refs, it’s not DDor Gorges, it’s our team. That’s just how it is right now. Sorry if that comes across as overly negative.

  29. slyCH says:

    Happy 63rd birthday to Tom Petty. Just watched 10 video’s from a yahoo news clip. What a great artist.

  30. jedimyrmidon says:

    It’s hard not to wonder sometimes whether a different rulebook applies to the Habs sometimes:

    The four other refs decided it was no goal – the four that were the furthest away – so the call on the ice was overturned? I thought the video evidence had to be clear to overturn the call on the ice? But no, they basically decide to ignore that part of the rulebook and make a special exception for the Habs.

    Oh, and the phantom calls piling up on Subban: what the heck? Seems like the refs’ prejudice is allowed and indeed encouraged to get in the way of fairness. Seems like Subban needs to ingratiate himself to them in order for them to treat him as they should.

    Then there’s Briere getting concussed when he didn’t even have the puck, and no one blinks an eye. No wonder the players play scared: they have no clue what the refs are going to do (or rather, not do).

  31. SteverenO says:

    When will MT and his assistants finally realize that Gallagher is NOT effective on he powerplay?

    Last season:
    Gallagher 103 minutes on the PP unit , Habs get 9 PP goals while he was on the ice . That equals one goal every 11.4 ,minutes.
    As a team the Habs scored one PPg every 8.4 minutes. when GAllagher was NOT on the ice the HABs scored a PP goal every 7.5 minutes.

    The Habs success rate was .237 as a team. WIth Gallagher in the ice the success rate was .175. With Gallagher on the bench the success rate was .265

    This season so far, nothing much has changed:
    Gallagher has logged 22.5 minutes on the PP unit , Habs scored 2 PP goals while he was on the ice . That equals one goal every 11.3 minutes.
    As a team the Habs have scored one PPG every 6.9 minutes. when Gallagher is NOT on the ice the HABs scored a PP goal every 5.4 minutes.
    The Habs PP success rate this season to date is .291. With Gallagher on the ice the PP success rate is .178. The PP unit with Gallagher NOT on the ice has a success rate of .369

    The HABS are more than TWICE as likely to score a PP goal when GAllagher is NOT on the PP unit. The fact that Gallagher continues to get top PP minutes is an error in judgement.

    This is not a knock against Gallagher. He is an excellent young player who is VERY effective offensively at even strength. Give him more Even strength TOI, try him on the penalty kill if you like, but PLEASE keep him off the powerplay!

    One can debate endlessly as to WHY his offensive talent does not manifest itself with the man advantage, but there can be no debate
    as to the FACT that the HABS powerplay produces goals more often WITHOUT Gallagher on the ice.

    Some will argue that the PP is going well with Gallagher, they get lots of scoring chances, and maybe they have just been unlucky.

    The truth is that they are SUPPOSED to get frequent scoring chances, they are playing with an extra man, the objective on the PP is to SCORE GOALS. It has been obvious, and documented, since the middle of last season that the HABS PP is more likely to score if Gallagher is NOT on the ice.

    Why is he still getting to PP minutes?

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Eddie says:

      what specifically about Gallagher’s play would you recommend that he work on in order to improve?

      he must be doing something terribly wrong in order to have such bad numbers on the power play, so what is it?

      if you’re going to go to the trouble of accumulating these numbers against Gallagher, then I expect you know you’re hockey.

      so let’s talk hockey. you’re the coach.

      what do you tell Gallagher about his power play game tomorrow at practice?

      • tophab says:

        he must pass more.

      • Mattyleg says:

        “Improve your numbers.
        The stats never lie.”

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Eddie says:

          a man calls an office to place an order for some office supplies.

          1) the receptionist takes the call and passes it to the sales desk

          2) sales desk takes the order and passes it to shipping

          3) shipping packs the order on the truck

          4) drivers get into the truck the next day and the freaking truck won’t start.

          the order is delayed by one day.

          the customer calls the company and the receptionist answers the call;

          “every time I place my order with YOU as the receptionist, the order is delayed! every time it’s the other receptionist who takes my order, my order arrives on time!”

          • Fransaskois says:

            Who dun it?

            It was the 2nd receptionist because, as we all know, there’s no post on Sundays!

          • SteverenO says:

            By this analogy, are you trying to say that fact that Gallaghers’ ratio of goals scored per minute of PP time is lower (significantly) than ALL of the other forwards on his team has nothing to do with Gallagher’s play? Further, despite the FACT that the team scores less frequently when Gallagher is on the ice with the man advantage than they do when he is NOT on the ice, should have no bearing on how much PP time he gets?

            To get back to your analogy, if you ISOLATE each member of a unit involved in getting a job done and analyze the results you should not have any problem finding out who is more reliable, efficient, etc.

            The larger the sample size the more indicative the results will be.
            I noticed the fact that Gallagher was ineffective, and the PP was unproductive with Gallagher, last season after he had spent about 60 minutes on the PP unit. Since then he spent another 65 minutes and there has been no improvement, in fact his rate of production on the PP unit has remained pretty consistent, consistently poor, since the beginning.

            The fact that he is equally as consistent and EFFECTIVE when playing at even strength may be puzzling to some, but in no way justifies his continued presence on the PP unit. The numbers indicate, quite clearly, that this particular player, with this particular team’s style of play on the PowerPlay, is NOT an asset to the PP unit.

            I guess that you don’t seem to understand that during the time when Gallagher is on the ice with the man advantage, REGARDLESS OF WHO ELSE IS WITH HIM the team scores a PP goal only once every 11 minutes. During the time that GALLAGHER is NOT on the PP, REGARDLESS of who else is out there, the team gets a PP goal every 7 MINUTES. So, even if you think that Gallagher is the most skilled player since Maurice Richard , Yvan Cournoyer, and Guy Lafleur, if you want the PP to be more productive you would NOT want to see him on the ice when the team has the man advantage.

            regards,

            Steve O.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Eddie is right, you really must know you are hockey.

    • sCOTT1243 says:

      Who do you suggest we play on the PP? Briere, DD, Bourque, Gionta? So we are going to start analyzing our young players in a negative light…Awesome, because Gallagher is our issue, especially on the power play lol. Gimme a break. I would take 10 more Gallaghers over some of the useless players we have currently.

      • SteverenO says:

        I have nothing against Gallagher, in fact I would take a few more players just like him on my team anyday.

        I do not “accumulate the numbers against Gallagher”, I research and analyze the actual numbers that are publicly available on NHL.com and other sites

        I also don`t suggest that Gallagher change anything about the way he plays. What I am suggesting is that he NOT be used as much on the PP, and certainly never on the “first wave”. Play him some PP time so he can gain experience on the third unit and every now and then give him a shift on the second unit, but it is a coaching MISTAKE to play him on the first wave of the PP.

        I again, suggest that he be given a try on the penalty kill unit. I BELIEVE that he may improve the overall effectiveness of our PK unit and maybe even score a few short handed goals.

        What I do KNOW for a fact is that our PP will be more productive if Gsllagher is used less in that role.

        In an attempt to try and answer Eddie’s question, I BELIEVE that Gallagher strength is more of a puck chaser, creating turnovers and opportunities off the forecheck. When on the PP a player who is better at puck control, stick handling. and passing, would be more effective with them man advantage.

        Again,my main point is that it really does not matter why the HABS PP is less effective when Gallagher is on the ice. It only matters that this is the case and if the coaching staff does not adjust to the reality, it will cost us goals , and games.

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • Mark C says:

      Based on these stats last year Boston could have improved their PP by replacing Lucic, Seguin, and Horton with Chris Bourque, Kelly, and Peverley.

      Not sure these stats tell the whole story.

      • Eddie says:

        just because a player is on the ice and his team is not scoring, does NOT prove that he is not doing his specific job.

        Gallagher does his job, in front of the net, as well as anyone we have on this team.

        • SteverenO says:

          Hockey is a team game, and everyone’s “job” on the Power Play is to produce goals. Nothing else matters on the PowerPlay.

          You are the one who must know a lot about hockey if you can distinguish which of the 5 skaters on the ice on a power play were doing a good Job when the team does not produce a goal.

          Does anyone really believe that in 125 minutes, (more than two full games worth), of PowerPlay time a player has been on the ice and the team has scored only 11 goals ( an average of approx. on goal in 11 minutes) on a team that has averaged a PP goal every 7 minutes when this player is not on the ice is NOT a meaningful stat?

          To put it another way; in the last 125 minutes of PP time with Gallagher on the ice the team has scored 11 goals. In the last 125 minute of PP time when Gallagher is not on the ice the team has score 18 goals.

          Now imagine the opposition takes at penalty as the second period ends and you, the coach, has to decide who goes out to start the third period on the PowerPlay; Who would you put on the ice and who would you leave on the bench?

          Therrien either has this information and is ignoring it, or he doesn’t have the info;in which case the team is not providing him with the proper information on which to base his personnel decisions.

          In either case this is something if not corrected will cost the team goals and wins.

          regards,

          Steve O.

        • Mark C says:

          That’s my point too, Ed.

      • SteverenO says:

        The stats DO tell the whole story. The Bruins PP was NOT very good last year.

        THe BruinsPP would not have been any worse had they replaced
        Lucic, ( 6 PPGs in 91 minutes) Sequin ( PPGS scored in 105 minutes)
        and Horton (7 PPGs in 88 minutes) with practically any other forward.

        The players you mentioned: Peverly 9 PPGS in 79 minutes,
        CHris Bourque (4 PPGs in 37 minutes) and Kelly (1 PPG in 4 minutes) were allmore effective than the three you mentroned.

        Marchand (9 PPG S in 78 minutes) was also better than the three you mentioned.

        It is surprising, to me, that Peverly and Marchand ,each of whom
        saw a PPG scored once every 9 minutes, and each played 78 minutes, got less PP time than Lucic Seguin and Horton who saw a PPG scored every 15, 12, and 13 minutes respectively.

        There is no doubt that giving more PP time to the players that have produced more PP goals would improve a teams effectiveness on the PP.

        Unless, I misunderstood you; are you trying to say that the PP would be better if the less effective players were used more often?

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • Habitforming says:

      Who else is playing with him on the PP with similar numbers?

      Maybe it isn’t Gallagher

  32. habs-hampton says:

    When MT is reviewing last nights 2-2 tie with the boys, I hope he shows Gally’s and Eller’s goals to the rest of the guys a dozen times. On a night when the team didn’t bring their best, both goals were scored by just driving the net and banging away until they went in. Nothing pretty about it. In today’s NHL I’ll bet 50% of all goals are scored like that. They won’t make plays-of-the-week, but you win with goals like that.

  33. Danno says:

    It’s an 82-game season and we will see lots of ups and downs before it ends.

    In the infamous words of Wiretap’s Gregor Ehrlich:

    “Don’t never not be a Negatron”

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  34. Old Bald Bird says:

    A team came to the shrine of hockey to play a hot team. It’s understandable that they would be up. And conversely that the team on a win streak might not be as up especially for a team from Nashville as they might be for the Bruins, for example. So, we probably shouldn’t get too upset over a 2-1 loss in a game featuring questionable calls.

    I wasn’t able to see most of the game, but it sure sounds like PK is getting some pretty rough calls. It would be awfully reassuring to hear positive PK support from the brass. Have we ever heard even one from the present regime?

    Once again, we seem to have very conservative management and coaching. I know Tiny isn’t comparable to someone who should have been a #1 overall draft choice, but I can’t help but thinking that if he was given 15 minutes per game come he!! or high water that he would play with more confidence. He was a first rounder after all, so he should have a wee bit of ability and seasoning after spending a year in Hamilton. The way we tend shelter our rookies, you’d think we were the most loaded team in the league as if they were taking ice time away from a slew of superstars

  35. slyCH says:

    So I downloaded CFL APP and I can’t get the standings or the scores, only headlines and video. WTF am I doing wrong?

  36. frontenac1 says:

    @aroma. Agree amigo. My well researched and exquisitely written posts don’t get the respect they deserve.

  37. frontenac1 says:

    @slych.Join the club amigo, if you use cuss words like I sometimes do, the cops just snuff the post. The next day is like the night before never happened. Not so bad.

  38. Mattyleg says:

    Great post below by joeybarrie.
    Read it.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  39. Ron says:

    Mike Blunden is going to play his first game of the season today against the Marlies. Puck drop in about 35 mins on TVA Sports. Here in NB on Rogers 656 and 657.

  40. H.Upmann says:

    I think for our sanity, it would be good to have a DD free weekend. Or at least scratch him for two games.

  41. HabsProf says:

    All this talk about who to call up – hardly a mention of LL. Have the Habs given up on him, or just the HIO commentariat (or is he injured?)

    By the way: we have lost three games, but each by only 1 goal. While the team has obvious flaws, our early showing is still quite impressive.

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    • JUST ME says:

      I do agree and had they won their 5 th in a row the comments on here would be bordeline Stanley Cup ready…Sigh…

      But of course we have the usal suspects ,that shall remain nameless, on wich we can count on to be negative.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I disagree.
        Even if we’d won five in a row, people would still be lining up with their stones to throw at their same old targets because they can’t think of anything else to say.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • slyCH says:

      Seems like they “broke” LL. Too bad, I thought he had game with good potential when he played a few years back.

      • RockinRey says:

        Are you serious? LL is a marginal NHL player at best. They only drafted him because he is a West Island boy.

        • slyCH says:

          Listen dude, I’m not saying he’s the next Lafleur, but the guy scored 5 goals during that dreaded season when he was called up and didn’t look out of place.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            It’s only his fault that he had an underwhelming season in Hamilton. You would think a guy who was cut from camp and played part of an NHL season 2 years ago would put in a little more effort to show he doesn’t belong in the AHL.

            This is entirely on LL.

            He was told what to do but expects a handout instead because of where he was drafted. 3 games, 0 points for our first round pick in the AHL

    • habs-hampton says:

      not sure how he’s playing, but he’s got 0 points in 3 games.

  42. The Jackal says:

    Will the real HIO please stand up?

    This site is night and day after a loss or a win.
    Man, is there ever an abundance of inane “the sky is falling” type comments on here today!

    We lost a game. Yeah, so does every other team.
    The injuries suck but it’s not the end of the world, Murray, Emelin, and Parros are closer to coming back. We can absorb the losses in the roster for the end of the month, at least. We have only two tough opponents so it’s not all bad. And look for some of the youngsters to step up when given the opportunity.

    Geez…. you’d think we lost to the Bruins 6-0 and got wrecked in the process.

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    • slyCH says:

      I got drunk after seeing the score and vented. I’m ok now. Relatively speaking.

    • Mattyleg says:

      This is the real HI/O.
      It’s pretty scary stuff, innit?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • JUST ME says:

      We all know the negative ones on this site but we find them cute and think that it is O.K. to let them spell their hatred. I don`t ,but choose to go elsewhere when it gets too negative. HIO should do something about them but they choose to let them spread their attitude here .I suppose everyone has the right to participate and i am sure that many fans went away in the last months because ot that.

  43. Mattyleg says:

    Anybody else notice that PK got two minutes for what the ref called ‘embezzlement’?? Listen again, you’ll hear it!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  44. slyCH says:

    My TSN app is crAPP. Why does it refuse to let me view the standings for NFL and CFL? This has been going on for weeks.

  45. AH says:

    So are they the Smurf Habs or the Glass Habs, or both? Not a good combination. And man has Briere sucked, I was hoping he’d display some of that skill he used to stick the knife in the Habs all the time with Philly, but he has been invisible. Then put him out there with DD and the other teams must think they’re back playing PeeWee!

  46. ooder says:

    it’s funny 2 years ago Erik Cole got crap from fans for starting slow. Now, genius Jacques decided to not play Cole on the power play, instead using the almighty Darche, and used Cole in the most ridiculous situations. When Cole finally got the ice time he needed to be effective he actually was. It had the unfortunate side effect of making DD look like a good hockey player but that’s besides the point.
    Briere has gotten all the chances in order to show that he is at least trying, and so far nada. we are being carried by one line game in and game out. Sure the other lines might chip in an occasional goal (let’s be real the Plekanec goal was weak as sh!t) but we have one line that consistently is a threat to score

  47. New says:

    I think it is easy to over analyze a lot of stuff. This season, so far, the Habs are #2 in penalty minutes per game. Playoffs last year, #1 (by a rockin 13 minutes a game more), last season #4, etc.

    The more time you spend in the penalty box without an offset from the other team the more chance you will lose the game.

    The more money you make in Montreal the more tax you pay.

    Good players can make more money and win more stuff by not playing in Montreal.

  48. Bigdawg says:

    Did the playoffs start already??

    I thought Briere was signed for the playoffs…

  49. habstrinifan says:

    I gave MB credit for signing Briere under the circumstances which exist with this team. The experts here told me that MB couldn’t spend more because of the cap. And like it or not, the fact that they were possibly getting a ‘marquee’ player of Quebcois orign (and a forward to boot) was a factor.

    But Timo is right. Briere has turned out to be (and no IT IS NOT TOO EARLY) a bust. And again Timo is right. Briere’s condescending, say the right things, ignoring history, “I always wanted to play for this team” is bullcrap and is actually a sign that the young man did not approach his employment with the HABS with a sound reset based on reality and earnestness and purpose. This was re-inforced by his stupendous comment a wek or two ago, where he basically said “I am a slow starter and know I am a slow starter” so no hassles.

    I mean if you are joining the HABS after a disastruous season and know that you are coming off a down year don’t you do something so you WONT BE a slow starter.

    And on top of that (I have been critical since day 1 so last night’s loss is not my reason), the visionary MT spends the entire pre-season putting Briere and DD together cause he had ‘a vision’.

    What if he had use Briere differently in pre-season. Put him in a position where he (MT) could have properly observed Briere’s work habit and what game he had within him. As it was MT and we the fans have no idea where Briere fits into this organization. Not even on the PP.

    • Mark C says:

      A bust after 8 games. Haha.

    • ProHabs says:

      Timo is always right. Always.

    • joeybarrie says:

      How is it not too early to tell?
      Brian Gionta has the same number of points.
      Max Pacioretty has the same number of points
      Rene Bourque has the same number of points.
      Tomas Plekanec has one more point.

      So far Briere has played FOUR PERCENT of his minimum contract.
      And you are saying he is a bust, washed up and useless….

      So by that token MaxPac, Gio, Bourque and Pleks are also useless this season and will only hold us down.
      Claude Giroux is washed up and done. Might as well retire.
      Loui Eriksson too.
      And of course that Jonathan Toews was always way overrated….

      Eight games is not a season. Everyone has slumps.

      Let me ask you this… What exactly do you do to make sure you WONT BE a slow starter?
      Is that how the world works?
      Did Briere and MT get together before the season started and said, hey… let’s start slow.

      Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery and comes back strong.
      I know we expected him to score 82 goals this season. But we need to wake up to reality.

      We bash the same players over and over with no regard to the actual situation.
      As a Hab you can NEVER under produce for a bit. Cause then your washed up and useless.

      Remember what we were saying about Bourque?
      How about Markov?
      Gionta?
      Cole 7 games into his first season with us, then he was a GOD.

      So much short run thinking.

    • New says:

      I think the 1st intermission player walkby guest last night was Briere. The thing I remember was the towel around his neck. With most players the towel is a little crumpled, having been used to wipe sweat off before (often during) the Q&A. Briere’s towel was fresh outta the bag. There was no sweat to wipe, just like his forehead. He must be in incredible shape. And that has been the story of his career and why his game picks up in the playoffs. He isn’t about to change now.

    • The Jackal says:

      Gotta disagree completely here.
      You’re over-reacting to a small sample of games as if the season is going down the drain.
      We are 5-3 not 3-5. Last night’s loss was not some kind of crushing defeat.

      And no, Briere is not a bust. Your arguments re. Briere are full of holes and just sound like heat of the moment claims more than anything. So what if he has a slow start, and how would you know that he did not in fact always want to play for Montreal? Just because he went to Philly first does not mean anything – he made a choice but that does not preclude that he has had this desire to play for the Habs. Stop villainizing players just because they made the choice they thought was best for them. Moreover, you’re wrong when you say he did not do anything to prepare for the season, and you have no way of knowing had he not done so. There are just too many typical arm-chair GM assumptions in this outburst against Briere and co.

      The jury is still out on Briere, and despite him being a whipping boy now, he is not Gomez 2.0, and he has actually had decent games.
      He is coming off a bad season and he needs time to adjust to the team and get his confidence back.

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    • aroma says:

      What’s with all the Timo man crushes? Every sarcastic and negative remark of his is breathlessly alluded and responded to while well written and thought out posts get virtually ignored.

  50. ooder says:

    i mentioned this a few years ago but is it me or is Moen ridiculously soft on the boards for somebody his size.
    it seems he has a lot of trouble clearing the puck out of the zone (although getting it past him while he is forechecking is a breeze).
    maybe it’s a lack of skill but damn, for a grinder be more assertive when moving the puck along the boards

    • aroma says:

      When Moen has a poor game as he did last night, he appears to have zero value to the team. A pity to have size and not use it and to be well paid to be effective defensively and yet not be able to get the puck out of the defensive zone. I sure hope last night’s performance was an anomaly and that he returns to the form he had begun to display.

  51. DipsyDoodler says:

    Paul MacLean hockey. Send your big pylons out to hurt the oppositions’ best players.

    Yeah yeah – he’s a good guy. Comes from some small town where everyone has Values.

  52. Mats Naslund says:

    Jones is an incredible talent. To pair him with Weber is almost unfair. Still he had shaky moments last night. If he played for the CH people would be constantly on him for giveaways. Like all young D, it will take a while for him to put it all together. I just hope people can see the same in Tinordi and Beulieau.

    • gauver says:

      i think that Jones is paired with Weber so that he can hone his skills at the NHL level while having a partner able to effectively cover for his mistakes along the way. Having Rinne in net helps too. Besides, I am not sure where the offence will come from if not from the blue line on that team

    • 4loorplay says:

      Mats…Jones moves the puck with soft hands. Tinordi is a banger. Tinordi wacked someone in preseason then got hell for it from coach. Have you seen him hit since then? I have not. Tinordi looks lost as did most our team last night except EEG line.

      Nirvana is earned…

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Tinordi was drafted 3 years before Jones. There’s absolutely no comparison here. Jones looks like an all-star after fewer than 10 pro games. Tinordi’s ceiling is a bigger Josh Gorges.

  53. habs001 says:

    Well the Habs are only on pace for a 50 win season…Even with injuries the team should make the playoffs…Of the projected teams that will make the playoffs there are probably very few teams if any that we can say the Habs would be favourite vs…

  54. Habfan10912 says:

    @Ronn I don’t know how you can watch that interview and not think MT was talking about PK. The question posed to him was about PK and if he’s excited to get a chance to work with him. MT only added his “and all the players, really” bullcrap when he caught himself saying what he was thinking.

    No worries that your take is different though. I never understood President Clinton’s infamous “it depends what is, is” or Donald Rumsfeld “they don’t know what they don’t know”, either. CHeers.

    • gauver says:

      I don’t agree. I think he was referring to all the players. I think this is what he tried to do in Pittsburgh too. That may be his intent but it is debatable how well he does it.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Understand what you guys are saying. If a 50 year old man who did not know me said he wanted to make me a better person I’d question his judgement. Even if you and Ron are right, and you may indeed be right, its still an arrogant thing to say.

        • gauver says:

          His comment does imply acceptance from the players of the role he intends. I suspect most entry-level players are so excited just to be in the NHL that they are willing to at least listen to what the coach has to tell them, but not all. Some young players, especially if they are very talented and in demand, expect coaches and veterans to prove that what they have to offer really will help, which coaches and veterans may resent. Certainly a veteran who is in demand is likely to expect a coach to earn his respect before buying into the pitch.

          I think that PK decided it is worthwhile to humble himself somewhat in order to enable harmony between he, his team mates and the coaches; not that he believes he was ever in the wrong with his past behaviour but has realized he cannot be successful without his team also being successful. If I am right in my assumptions, I think that speaks well of PK as a young man, and as a current and future leader. I can only guess to what extent Therrien contributed to this versus to what extent he is benefiting from PK’s maturation to which he made no real contribution.

      • RockinRey says:

        This is part of the new age philosophy adopted by Michel” show respect to your opponents and no excuses ” Therrien.

        This is how he impressed MB in the interview process?

        Spewing this babble?

        “Lets be humble. Show respect to the fans ( because of the lockout) , make them better people.”

        How about making them into better hockey players first and foremost? Let the PR guys that train them how to interview teach them how to toe the corporate line and be better people. And shouldn’t they already be good people?

        This is not the NFL we are talking about.

        • gauver says:

          Coaching is about more than team and individual tactics. Teaching a young player how to be a professional, how to handle the scrutiny from the press, how to manage their new-found wealth, and how to manage their personal affairs all matter to the on-ice performance and therefore should matter to the coach.

          While there are (or should be) other front-office staff members to help players with these off-ice topics, a good coach (like a good manager in business) takes an active interest. These are the type of coaches a player will run through a brick wall for.

          • habstrinifan says:

            But curiously pointedly omit any mention of when accepting a Norris trophy. In fact pointedly thanked Geoff Molson and that other guy but not that guy and that other guy.

            Just saying!

          • RockinRey says:

            That stuff goes without saying. The stuff with PK about making him a better person? His parents have already done a damn good job. Like I said this is not the NFL!!! He has very little affect on him being a better person. Coach’s just dont spend that much time one on one with players off the ice talking about other matters.

            His job is to get the most out of him. Does he care about them as individuals ? For as long as they produce. Does he take and active interest. Certainly. But all those other personal affairs things are handled by the rest of the brass. At this level the coach’s job is to teach them the pro game to get the most out of him and put him into the best position to flourish and have success.

  55. sweetmad says:

    I love the way every body has the right answears,to a loss,not a blow out a loss.Yes I am sure MB,knows we are too small,he said so himself.But where does he get these big, tough, fast, talented players from.Yes every GM wants to trade them,every team lets them go to free agency,of course we could have picked up Clarkson,and paid him how much for how many years,I am sure you would have all loved that.

    MB has made a couple of mistakes,none of us ever did,should have given the job to Roy,and given up all his decisions at the same time,not on his first job as GM,and of course Roy could make our players bigger.

    When it comes to sport, common sense goes out of the window.

    MB has said he will build from within,look at the size,of some of our picks this year,if and when they come into the league,we will have some of the biggest forwards, ever.We will try our best to get as far as we can go this year,if it doesn’t happen,at least the future looks bright.
    GO HABS GO

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Sweet, we’re fans and that’s what fans do. We discuss the plus and minus of our team, critique coaching moves, question plays. Please allow us to vent after loses and cheer after victories. That’s what this place is all about. Not all of us follow blindly but nearly all of us want our team to be successful.

      • sweetmad says:

        Hey! so do I want our team to be successful,but giving anybody hell for what they can’t change,doesn’t change anything.I want our team to win,as much as anybody.I was never happy with signing Briere,I was never happy with taking MT as coach,but perhaps there were no better options,we don’t know,we all have our own ideas,we could all say,that this or that person would have made a better coach,but he had to speak French?????,so what can you do.Perhaps he intervied the best

        Yes I agree we should all have our say,no problem with that,but please,you have to take all things into consideration,and be a little realistic.
        GO HABS GO

  56. Fransaskois says:

    Any ideas on how to fix this? I’m going to assume Prust and Briere are out for at least a couple weeks as it appears both suffered concussions (or Prust re-aggravated his shoulder). Murray and Emelin should be back sometime during November, Parros doesn’t have a timeline, Drewiskie is out for the season, and Pacioretty should be back mid-November. So until mid/late-November,we’re likely to be seeing:

    Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
    Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
    Bournival-Desharnais-Moen
    Blunden-White-Dumont (Tarnasky/Aliu if he signs a contract)

    Markov-Subban
    Gorges-Diaz
    Bouillon-Beaulieu/Tinordi

    Are we okay with this? Should we sign Gagne/Mueller/Prospal/etc.? Should we make a trade for depth players? Should we start moving vets?

  57. HabFab says:

    Martin Biron -

    After thinking about it it with my family, I’ve decided to retire as a player and move on to a new chapter. Thank you all for your support.

  58. HabFab says:

    Renaud Lavoie -

    Waivers: Brad Staubitz (ANA)

    Just because………

  59. Danno says:

    Our game is being stolen from us by headshots, dirty hits and goons.

    The solution should be for the NHL to enforce the rules.

    In the absence of that, many say if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em – which is truly regrettable.

    I don’t want hockey to be turned into a demolition derby on ice, where the last man standing wins.

    But it looks like that’s exactly what Bettman, Sham-a-scam and the powers-that-be want.

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  60. Mustang says:

    Is there any way to get rid of these pop-up ads on this site. I don’t want to buy a Honda and I’m not interested in Videotron. $#%@^&*% stupid pop-ups are driving me crazy.

  61. billylove says:

    Watched the Sharks dismantle Calgary after the Habs loss. We’ll see them next Sat and fear that matchup will produce a beatdown. Sharks are big, fast and skilled. We are just too soft to compete with the best. Interesting to see Price slamming his stick on the ice after Jones scored. Not in character for the calm demeanor he works hard to maintain. Was he pissed at himself or the ragged play of his mates?

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      Its a bit of both. Im sure.
      One feels frustrated with himself, knowing that He had the game under control.
      He surely was frustrated with the error by his teammates. A blunder suffered in the final few minutes of a close game.
      But Carey is the guardian. He knows he can be better and could have stopped it. He knows the mistake wasn’t on him. But he knows its his job.
      Its called being a goalie. You want to stop them all. You want to win.
      http://945thesmooth.tumblr.com/

  62. Propwash says:

    I’m more concerned about the injuries the team seems to be cursed with. Callibg Briere soft because he took a headshot? Come on. Any player who takes something like that is going to go down, I don’t care who they are. The fact that he has had multiple concussions just aggravates the problem.

    Hopefully the team regroups and gets another one in the W column next game.

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  63. RockinRey says:

    Through 7 games of the season Mike Smith has exactly as many goals as Brian Gionta, DD, Briere, and Chucky

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Through 7 games of the season Lars Eller has as many goals as Giroux, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Krejci and Toews combined. But yeah, why not pick something negative?

  64. Eddie says:

    The Preds played bigger, harder, and they wanted the win more than we showed.

    Next time someone questions Barry Trotz’s credibility around here they should remember the game his team played last night.

    That’s a well coached team.

    • Danno says:

      A hot goalie, phantom calls and a disallowed goal didn’t hurt BT either.

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    • Subban in Sochi says:

      Saw Trotz coach in AHL. His teams win the 2-1 and 3-2 games against “superior” opponents time after time. Need more than 1 line “going” to beat his teams.

      “Cannonading drive!!”

    • Chris says:

      Trotz is easily one of the best coaches in the NHL. He has coached that team for 15 years and has only once had a truly elite offensive player (Paul Kariya in 2005-06 and 2006-07). Outside of that, his best players have been guys like David Legwand, Martin Erat, Jason Arnott, and J.P. Dumont. Good, but not great players.

      They have certainly had great success with defencemen (Weber, Suter, Timonen, Hamhuis, Zidlicky) and goalies (Vokoun, Rinne), but you can’t win in the playoffs if you don’t have an offence.

      Trotz’s teams play hard every game. They have no business with that offence of being above .500. But they just plug away and make teams hate to play them.

  65. The Dude says:

    This is to Mike Boone or whoever is the mod? So it’s ok to have Therrien f bomb away with 24ch but when a Timo or Dude post about last nights action you mod it?It’s ok when SmartDog is called an alcoholic by Prime Time? Go figure…..

  66. --Habs-- says:

    I’m not peeing on the Habs parade but!!!! What game out of 8 have the Habs won with any measure of convincing fashion! Price has had to stand on his head for every game he’s played in including Peter! A slightly off game NOT EVEN BAD game and the habs could be 0 for 8. The only bright side so far is Price and the 3 or 4 youngsters.

    Go HABS Go

    • Timo says:

      Philly is the only game that comes to mind where Price wasn’t a big factor.

    • Subban in Sochi says:

      Ah, the Canadiens won 3 straight by a margin of 3 goals…on the road. Price has generally been the outstanding goalie he is paid to be. But there’s 19 other guys on the ice or bench, 3-4 in the stands, and a pile of top coaches & support staff-all contributing in an important manner.

      If you want to give Carey Price and Kid Line ALL the credit be prepared to take it away when they’re off “their” game(s).

      If you want to see 11-2 wins against the Kansas City Scouts or Washington Capitals you can probably find an old grainy tape somewhere of the ’77 Habs…Fun to watch but the equivalent of watching sabre tooth tigers hunting wooly mammoths. It’s a “new” Ice Age.

      THIS Ice Age: Salary cap “competition” against 29 other NHL teams. Young kids playing prominent roles. Massive coaching staffs. International influence. 11 month training & nutrition. Sports Psyche consultants. 6’7″ goalies & 6’9″ d-men. Meaningful rules changes. Constant video analysis. Etc.

      Don Cherry is one constant, though…

      This ain’t Olympic skating or synchronized swimming. No “artistic impression” scores. 2-1 win over the “boring” Devils is equally important to a 5-2 win over the “exciting” Red Wings.

      I WILL give the Canadiens some “style” points if they ever blow out the Leafs, though. Insert Winston Churchill quote here.

      “Cannonading drive!!”

  67. FishOutOfWater says:

    couple things about last night:

    SLOW start by the boys, no jump through the first 30 mins of the game.
    Constantly taking penalties, whether its PK, Bourqe (offensive zone) or the refs.
    Its hard to get your feet moving when the Pk unit is out for 8 mins in the first. and another 2 mins 4 on 4
    Especially when you cant break into the predators zone due to Weber Jones pairing playing close to 30 mins.
    When we dumped and chased we didnt win the battles we needed.
    There was a lack of pressure asserted against nashville all night long. Not a good way to score.

    We got caught playing for OT when the winning goal happens, this is after giving up a few very good opportunities, it was only a matter of time. Im not sure why we didnt call a time out just before it happened. i mean honestly

    The good:
    Carey was brilliant again, Love that he’s now referred to as an olympian (eyeroll to all the original doubters)
    The Kids were good, i think Eller had an off game but they were still buzzin.
    PK subban is hands down the best player on the team and easily a top 5 dmen in the league

    I really hope Prust is ok, Briere too, we really cant afford to lose any more guys, F or D.
    gonna be an interesting few weeks. lots of work to do.
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  68. Timo says:

    We can bitch about players all we want but it all starts with the general manager. Year and a half is not week and a half. Plenty of time to make improvements. To me, Bergevin was finished as a GM when he hired Therrien. That was it. Everything I needed to know about him was there and it was plain obvious that it would only push habs back another 5 years until yet another rebuild.

    So results of last season (being hammed in the later part of the season and playoffs) or last night, or overall lack of any kind of bright outlook for an immediate future is all on Bergevin.

    While other teams were spending money signing impact players or at least decent players, Bergevin was spending money signing Briere.

    So here is to another 3-4 miserable years. (hockey wise)

  69. habsfan55 says:

    MT would never bench DD but he doesn’t hesitate to bench our best player PK

    habs fan but will cheer for any team that beats the leafs

  70. Habfan19 says:

    Soooo….catching up on posts and am not sure if this has been covered, but, we get a PP with 5 minutes left in the game, we get a commercial timeout, and start the PP with Plex, Gio and Bourque….why not the EGG line????

    Ya gotta want it…

    • Timo says:

      It was a clever strategy by Michael Therrien to throw the Preds off.

      • Habfan19 says:

        I see….it would be nice if other teams did this….soooo he’s sorta playing the ‘I don’t want to hurt their feelings by winning the game’ logic…..that falls right in line with letting other teams run your goalie without retaliation….or playing the Norris trophy winning defenseman on the PK….or having too many small/soft players in your lineup…or…..you get the idea…

        I don’t like how MT coaches this team.

        Ya gotta want it…

  71. JO says:

    Just think. If the Habs were a tough team and could play like they can now. We would probably lose 20 games all year max…

    Maybe some day!!

  72. frontenac1 says:

    Ok amigos. Since last year I have been giving it to Diaz and his Swiss buddy Weber. Weber is gone and I backed off Diaz hoping he would grow a set and start putting up points because”thats his game” I’m still willing to hold my fire until I see how he plays paired with a beast like Murray. But man oh man,it is painful watching him out there.

  73. sweetmad says:

    Oh! my lord the sky is falling,
    I can hear my maker calling,
    We lost the game oh! woe is me,
    Tears in my eyes,I cannot see.

    We did not win,we lost the fight,
    The refs were really brutal last night,
    2 more players cannot play,
    All this news has ruined my day

    But I have a life to live,
    At least CP wasn’t a sieve,
    So the news was not all bad,
    But the fact we lost makes me sad,

    There is another game next week,
    Perhaps then, our players can peak,
    The loss,has gone,so now forget,
    We will win the next you can bet.
    GO HABS GO

  74. shutt66ct says:

    I have been a loyal reader of this site for quite some time now residing in old Whale country. I have been a die hard since I can remember 1970 I think. I am a big fan of Bergevin, a little less with the coach however. With that being said I want to point out with the game on the line he’s got #51 out in the defensive zone. He, not Moen was the cause of the goal. Davey goes behind the net, tip toeing and sends a weak clearing attempt up the boards and follows it up with a half hearted attempt to pressure the D. It never should have come to Moen. Until we rid ourselves of the smurfs we will never go deep into the playoff.

    Habs fan in Connecticut

    • Frank2468 says:

      You noticed that play as well. Finally someone other then me noticed where the entire hicup started on the winning Nashville goal. I think David Tomber was afraid of being checked or maybe breaking a finger nail.

      • JO says:

        Frank – Lets face it . They can’t play physical so they have to depend on speed and skill the way the team has been built. This don’t go over good when they play the tough teams. They can’t take the punishment and with all the injury prone players we have they can’t play that way anyway for sake of getting Re-injured as we’re seeing right now.

        Time to get rid of the injury prone. Start building with players that can hit and be hit and we’ll be OK. Skill and speed is great as long as you can hit and take a hit without being injured every time …

    • SuperHabFan says:

      Completely agree. I was yelling at the tv when he did that.

    • Danno says:

      In fairness to DD, on that play I believe it was PK who was behind the net and tried to clear the puck up the boards to Moen.

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