About last night …

CH fans in Van

Through 40 minutes, Carey Price kept the Canadiens in the game Saturday night.

The home team had a 14-9 shot advantage in the first period, 17-11 in the second.

Price stopped 30 shots. The only Canuck to beat him was Henrik Sedin, capping off a second-period sequence in which Lars Eller failed to get the puck out of the Canadiens’ zone. The error was a suicide pass from Raphael Diaz, the kind that nearly got Eller killed against Ottawa in the playoffs last season. Chaos ensued, and Price was beaten with his defencemen, Josh Gorges and Raphael Diaz, literally tripping over each other.

If you thought that was bad D …

Eller scored the winning goal from inside his own blueline. With Jarred Tinordi, who didn’t have a great first visit to Rogers Arena, in the penalty box, Eller shot the puck down into the Vancouver zone. And without a white jersey in sight, Jason Garrison and Dan Hamhuis managed to slip the puck past their own goaltender.

Credited to Eller for his fifth of the season, the bizarro score seemed to take the wind out of the home team’s sails. The Canadiens outshot the Canucks 18-9 over the final 20 minutes, and goals by Tomas Plekanec and Josh Gorges (with his Kelowna crew in the stands) buried Vancouver.

In the third period of a one-goal game, the Canucks went 11 minutes without a SoG. In their own barn. Fire Torts!

A Stanley Cup finalist two years ago, the Canucks are in sixth-place in the Western Conference’s Pacific Division. They’ve played more games than their rivals, and Vancouver is about to embark on a seven-game road trip.

OK, enough about their problems.

Your Montreal Canadiens are in third place – behind red-hot Toronto and Boston – in the Atlantic Division. Their goal differential of plus-7 is tied, with Pittsburgh, for second in the Eastern Conference, behind the Leafs’ plus-8.

The Canadiens conclude their western Canada road trip Tuesday in Winnipeg. Then it’s five games of home cookin’ against Western Conference visitors – culminating with the mighty San Jose Sharks on Oct. 26.

Fearless prediction: Price is going to be seeing a lot of rubber over the next couple weeks. And he’ll need to be flashing the Sochi form we saw Saturday night.

It’s going for 2 a.m. in Montreal. The Ol’ Blogger can barely keep his eyes open and his addled wits about him, so I’ll leave dissection of that excellent win to the Commentariat.

A few discussion points:

• Tomas Plekanec hasn’t had two wingers as good as Alex Galchenyuk and Brendan Gallagher since the 2007-’08 season, when Pleks had 69 points playing with Alex Kovalev and Andrei Kostitsyn. He had his first goal of the season in vancouver, and there will be many more once Plekanec gets used to the pinpoint passing of Galchenyuk. Assuming, of course, Michel Therrien keeps the line together.

• David Desharnais again had less ToI than either Plekanec or Lars Eller. But I thought DD worked hard in Vancouver, as did linemates Rene Bourque (5 SoG) and Brandon Prust.

• Eller is starting to look like a centre who can play with anyone. Chemitsry is emerging between him and Max Pacioretty, who scored for the second straight game.

• The fourth line was excellent – partcularly during a dominant third-period shift in which the Canucks couldn’t touch the puck. Ryan White went an astonishing 8-1 on faceoffs, Travis Moen was plus-2 on the game and Michaël Bournival continued to cement his status as a kid who should play every game.

• P.K. Subban is up to six assists on the season. And he’s revivified Andrei Markov.

• Supposedly injured, Josh Gorges played 22:43 in Edmonton and 22:28 in Vancouver, where he saluted John Tortorella by blocking six shots.

• The Canadiens have been outhit in every game they’ve played this season.

• Last shorthanded goal before that crazy one by Eller was Tomas Plekanec during a 5-on-3 in the last game of the 2011-’12 season.

Oh, one more thing: Don Cherry is an effing idiot.

Sunday is a travel day for the Habs. They’ll have a practice Monday in Winnipeg.

Canadiens on a roll on the road, by Dave Stubbs

Price makes 39 saves in victory, montrealgazette.com

Price leads Canadiens past Canucks, NHL.com

Price saves the day, Canadiens.com

Canucks confused, angry about own goal, montrealgazette.com

Bizarre own goal proves turning point, Vancouver Province

Tale of two goalies, a dribble and a masterclass, Vancouver Province

Second straight loss for Canucks, Vancouver Sun

Goaltending Economics 101, NHL.com

One step at a time toward Olympics for Price, Stu on Sports blog

Avs improve to 5-0 under coach Roy, Denver Post

Bulldogs lose in shootout, Hamiltonbulldogs.com

846 Comments

  1. Jack Edwards making sense on pregame, omg!

    EDIT- He said anything can happen in the division. :lol:

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  2. sevenman says:

    Goin’ to the Kitchener Rangers – London Knights game this aft. in Kitchener. Looking forward to checkin out McCarron.

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  3. Bill says:

    I’ve never found Crosby whiny, and in person I found him to be very polite and well spoken. But if he wanted to, he has a lot more to complain about than the average player.

    He’s a constant target for hooks, holds, slashes, cross checks, and elbows. Most of which go uncalled, because of the NHL’s weird “let them play” approach to rules.

    If rules were enforced, he’d be making a run at scoring records. Instead, he’s still the best in the world, but not doing what he’s capable of.

    If I were getting fouled continuously and run at with intent to injure, I’d complain a lot more than Crosby.

    • Chris says:

      Unfortunately, Crosby is treated more like Lemieux than Gretzky. Lemieux suffered some of the most hideous punishment I’ve ever seen in the NHL: he was big, strong, fast and supremely talented. Teams couldn’t stop him, so they tried to hurt him.

      Crosby gets much the same treatment, sadly. Another pair of victims have been the Sedins in Vancouver. It is sad that the NHL and its referees flat out refuse to protect their skilled players, the guys that fans come out to watch, when teams resort to thuggery to stop them.

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        I remember watching Lafleur at the Forum a number of times and thinking that he used to get run quite a bit too. I saw him take some really hard checks from time to time and he’d just get up and carry on. He was tougher than he got credit for in my opinion.

        24 cups and counting….

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      I agree with you, Bill.

      24 cups and counting….

    • rljmartin says:

      Agree with you Bill but the NHL must step back and see what is going on or not going on. The problem is you either call it or you don’t. Look at the interference call on Subban on Saturday, ridiculous compared to 2 players riding Gally from the blueline to the corner or check out Ducks-Sens game last night…. no comparison, they let everything go. NHL will never be serious if they can’t get officials to be consistent.

    • Phil C says:

      The sport of hockey gets corrupted when the business of hockey entertainment interferes. The NHL abhors stoppages in play, so they encourage the refs to “let’em play”. It is almost an impossible task to referee an NHL game properly under these circumstances. In an ideal world, hockey would be like golf where the pro tour lets a separate agency govern the sport’s rules. It isn’t always perfect as we see with the long putter debate, but it is better than what goes on in the NHL where the business of hockey takes precedence over the integrity of the sport. Maybe if less owners were struggling to break even, the league would be less risk adverse to such changes.

      I think if you just directed the refs to call everything, regardless of the game situation, the players would adapt and the flow of the game would eventually still be good. Giving the refs that much control would require stiff penalties for divers.

  4. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Chris

    I also believe Toronto is for real, and the team was built for the playoffs where another set of rules apply.
    They have a very good Top and Bottom 6 along with excellent Specialty Teams and the early season success has been accomplished without David Clarkson.

    The question mark remains in nets and a D that was slow in the past, yet that may all change depending on how Morgan Rielly and Paul Ranger pan out.
    They are definitely Top 6 in the Conference.
    They will also be difficult to beat in a 7 game playoff series barring massive injuries as they can play any style dictated.
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    As for Patrick Roy, he is no fool.
    He had an opportunity to join the Avs several years ago but declined because he knew he would have put himself in a no win situation.
    Patrick’s whole life has been all about winning.

    He chose Colorado at this time for a few reasons – one being his absolute need to be involved in player personnel decisions, and the other was all about timing.
    The team also had nowhere to go but up.

    Just look at that roster!
    Years of bottom feeding allowed the Avs to stock up on the likes of great talents such as Duchene, O’Reilly, Landeskog, Stastny, and now MacKinnon while adding Parenteau, Downie, and Tanguay as good solid vets.

    While the D is a big question mark, goalie Varly finally has some people that can help him out.
    Franky Allaire as the official goalie coach and Partick as a mentor.
    It doesn’t get any better than that for a guy that didn’t have a full time goalie coach in the past.

    Will they make the playoffs?
    Who knows, yet they have close to $12M in Cap Space to possibly acquire some needed Dmen…and who wouldn’t want to play in Peytonland?
    Surely the possible $$$ commitment by ownership to become an elite team was a subject of conversation BEFORE Patrick moved to the Avs.

    • Chris says:

      True enough on Roy. I am surprised that they are playing so well defensively, although I think a lot of that goes to their forwards. The Avalanche have invested in speed and have been stocking up on forwards that can play in both zones.

      Forwards that actually give a damn can go a long way to covering up for a less than stellar defence corps. On the other hand, even a good defence corps can become exposed if the forwards don’t work hard to slow up the opposition.

  5. Propwash says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 19m
    Aaron Asham and Martin Biron on waivers.

    Not really applicable for the Habs, but I found it weird that these two are on the waiver wire. Maybe Edmonton can pick up Biron. They need goaltending something fiercely.

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  6. Ian Cobb says:

    Don Cherry is poisoning our kids and this beautiful game.!!

    Hockey fights again! This time the kid suffers a “full body seizure” after his head hits the ice.

    Enough is enough people. Intentional hits to the head and you should go to jail!

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/b-c-teen-dylan-chanter-full-body-seizure-050131184.html
    B.C. teen Dylan Chanter’s ‘full-body seizure’ in USHL game will renew push to get fighting out…
    ca.sports.yahoo.com
    If eliminating fighting in junior isn’t at the very top of USA Hockey and Hockey Canada’s agendas, then it’s about to be, after a scary scene in a United States Hockey League game

    • mksness says:

      Some one will need to die first and get seriously injured. other wise you’ll here the excuses below.

      - but it’s part of the game
      - fighting protects players
      - enforcers are good guys
      - keeps the rats from coming out
      - who doesn’t like a good fight
      - it’s always been part of the game

      • Ton says:

        Part of the game> yes in North America it is…doesn’t have to be however.
        Fighting protects players…….I would say yes given the circumstances
        Enforcers are good guys paid there lifetime earnings in 5 years rather then 40 years that’s why they do it.
        I’ll pass on the rats
        People do like fighting unfortunately….rink goes nuts and the US market loves it as well as owners.
        I don’t think it will be part of the game in 10 years.

  7. Lafleurguy says:

    Scoring Leaders:

    Player Team Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP

    1 Sidney Crosby PIT C 5 5 4 9 +1 4 2 0
    2 Tomas Hertl SJS C 5 7 1 8 +7 0 2 0
    3 Joffrey Lupul TOR R 6 5 3 8 +0 5 2 0
    4 Alexander Steen STL C 4 4 4 8 +5 4 1
    5 Alex Ovechkin WSH L 5 5 2 7 -3 8 3 0
    6 Lars Eller MTL C 5 5 2 7 +5 6 0 1 2
    7 Steven Stamkos TBL C 5 4 3 7 +3 0 1
    8 Daniel Sedin VAN L 6 2 5 7 +0 6 1 0
    9 Phil Kessel TOR C 6 2 5 7 +2 0 0 0 1
    10 Martin St Louis TBL R 5 2 5 7 +3 0 0 0
    11 Jiri Hudler CGY C 5 2 5 7 +3 0 1 0 0
    12 Jeff Skinner CAR L 6 2 5 7 +4 4 2 0
    13 Logan Couture SJS C 5 2 5 7 +6 0 0 0
    14 Michael Grabner NYI R 5 2 5 7 +5 0 0 0
    15 Henrik Sedin VAN C 6 1 6 7 +2 4 0 0
    16 P.K. Subban MTL D 5 1 6 7 +5 6 1 0
    17 Alex Galchenyuk MTL C 5 1 6 7 +5 2 0

    • JohninTruro says:

      Love Crosby, all 3 goals the other night against TB were classic Crosby and really nice goals.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        One of the few non-Habs I’ll always cheer for.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • JohninTruro says:

          He makes the Pens my second favorite team, after that I don’t have a 3rd. Hoping he has a healthy season, just a remarkable talent.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Thumbs up, and I felt the same about Super Mario (back surgery with infection complications, age 23, Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, age 28).

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Mattyleg says:

            I have a hard time liking superstars (too many people piling onto them; felt the same way about Gretzky), especially whiny ones like Crosby.
            He’s smartened up a bit, but I still have lingering dislike for him.
            Except when he plays for Canada, of course.

            And how can you have a ‘second favourite’ team?
            That, I don’t get.
            Especially not one in our Conference.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Matty, Wiki-Leaks revealed some HIO members also cheer for the Leafs!

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • JohninTruro says:

            Crosby is far from whiny and Chris explains it quite well above. How can I have a second favorite team? That question doesn’t even make sense, it’s quite easy. Do you have a favorite anything in this world, and also have a second favorite? Hockey isn’t devoid of having the same treatment. It isn’t a question of who I cheer for when MTL plays the Pens.

            Edit: Sorry Bill it was you then Chris..

          • Mattyleg says:

            Sorry, I don’t buy it.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Adidess says:

            I can relate to that, easily. You won’t find me on the fan blogs of any other NHL team because I have limited time and don’t care to the same extent, but I can list up to 5 NHL teams I like, in the order that I like them. Of course, the Habs would be way ahead on that list, but whenever those other teams aren’t playing the Habs or interfering with our playoff positioning, I want them to win.

            We’re talking sports here, ok. I often hear this outrage about ‘how can you like any other team besides your favorite team’? Well, it’s not that hard. If a team plays a style that is appealing to me as a sports fan, I want to see them win and see that style prevail in the league. If a coach or a player I really like join another team outside the division, I continue pulling for them, unless they are in position to affect the standing of my favorite team.

            In a league with 30 teams and 2 conferences, the game is not always a zero sum affair vis-a-vis one’s favorite team.

            And I like teams in other leagues too, NFL and NBA. Maybe I don’t know what it means to be a fan at all :-)

    • Chris says:

      Speaking of favourite players not on the Habs, I would give a lot to see Alex Steen in a Habs jersey. I’ve always liked him as a player.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Agree, C. Phenomenal pedigree. Not too many were as loyal as dad, Thomas. Stuck it out for his whole career in the ‘Peg where fame will often overlook you. My second favorite past Jets player after Dale Hawerchuk. I used to like Paul McLean, but…….

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Chris says:

          I always liked Thomas Steen with the Jets. I also had a soft spot for Pokey & the Bandit, and Essensa was a very underrated goalie for years.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Pokey Reddick! Amusing now to recall that Essensa held out until he got a hefty pay raise to 1.2 mill/year (arbitration award) which expedited his dispatch to Detroit. In that era, the Red Wings were also-rans in search of goaltending.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

  8. Ian Cobb says:

    Wonder if we might see The DaneGGer Line together tomorrow night!

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  9. LEAF KILLERS says:

    anybody else going to the game on tuesday in winnipeg ?

  10. Chris says:

    Well, after 5 games, here are my thoughts:

    Toronto is for real! Their defence remains sketchy, but they have a tremendous offence that is going to get better as they mature. For hockey fans, a resurgent Toronto and Montreal at the same time is a treat, as that rivalry (and yes, it is a rivalry) is so important to the NHL.

    So is Patrick Roy: I had a pretty good inkling that Roy would be a good NHL coach, and he’s certainly got the Avalanche off to a nice start. That being said, I’m still glad he’s getting his feet wet in Colorado, instead of Montreal. Can you imagine the hoopla that would have surrounded his antics in the first game had he been coaching the Habs? In Colorado, he shifts the attention from a young roster, but the media pressure isn’t so excruciating that he becomes the storyline. Best of both worlds for the Avalanche.

    On Thomas Hertl: all the people complaining about his “antics” can stuff it. Hockey is supposed to be fun. When kids play pond hockey, that is the kind of move they try, not a devastating head shot or a neutral zone trap. The NHL is rapidly accelerating past the NFL in its efforts to usurp the “No-Fun League” moniker. Hertl did nothing wrong. If opponents don’t like goals like that, they should play better defence.

    On Vancouver-Montreal: that was the best hockey game I’ve watched all season. Fast paced, great goaltending until the third (excepting that mix-up in the Canucks zone), great positional and transitional play, hard hits…but no cheap shots. Who would have thought that you could show your toughness without a fight?

    On Elliote Friedman: I still can’t quite get over my aversion to Friedman, who has always bugged me, dating back to his days on The Score. Watching him hold the hockey stick in pretty much the most awkward way imaginable between periods of the Toronto-Edmonton game was a hoot. I think that might have been the first time he’s ever held a hockey stick! He and Weekes are still the best contributors to the CBC broadcasts, but part of me cringes at that thought because it might simply by default. Healy, Stock, MacLean and Cherry set an awfully low bar to limbo under.

    Maybe Galchenyuk doesn’t need to be a centre for a few years. It is still early, but Galchenyuk is serving as the primary playmaker on his lines despite manning the left wing. Alex Tanguay and Martin St. Louis have had very nice careers as playmaking wingers, allowing their more defensively gifted linemate to score goals and mark defenders. I keep seeing it written in stone that Galchenyuk will be a centre on this team sooner than later. I’m not seeing it. His defensive play is a still weak, and the Habs have two capable two-way centres in Plekanec and Eller. Galchenyuk is too good to be on the third line, and he’s shown he can produce his magic from the wing. I see no reason to rush him to more responsibilities just yet.

    I miss Higgins! (But you all knew that.) Yes, he still can’t shoot the puck in the ocean from the beach. But he is such a strong player on the boards…I still wish the Habs had recognized his value as I think he would be a great complimentary player on the second or third lines in Montreal. He’s strong, fast, defends well and cycles with the best of them.

    Happy Thanksgiving all!

    • JohninTruro says:

      Nice points Chris, I can’t argue with any of these, sound good.

    • mksness says:

      ah chris higgins. he’s had a pretty good start to the years. he’s been buzzing in the 3 canuck games i watched thus far.

      • Chris says:

        Higgins had a really nice season last year too. The offence looks like it will never come back to its Montreal peak, but he’s a very valuable player for the Canucks. He routinely earns a star despite no points on the board simply because of his work ethic and positioning.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Go Turkeys! Cheers Chris.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Good points Chris,
      As for Higgins, he was a mess when he left Montreal.
      He was a victim of the ‘hands-off’ management approach to rookies that really hurt a lot of players.
      I remember, not long before he left the Habs, walking behind Higgins for about 6 blocks up Boul. St. Laurent, and the whole way wondering if it was really him; his face was swollen, and his eyes were almost puffed shut from all the drugs and drink he’d been ingesting that I had a hard time telling it was him until a couple of people said Hi to him.

      He seems to have got all that under control, which I’m happy about, and if he hadn’t gone down that road in Montreal, and had some better guidance from either the vets on the team or from management (or both, come to think of it), he’d still be with us and playing like he is in Vancouver.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  11. This just in….Olympic Goal Update

    1. Price
    2. Bernier
    3. MAF

    Stay Tuned, tomorrow you could see Bernier out, and Harding in. Depends how bad the Wild beat the Leafs.

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    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi sholi

      The only people that have Bernier on the Olympic radar is the Leafs media…the same ones that mentioned Jonas Gustavsson was the 2nd coming of Johnny Bower.
      He may get a look…in 2018, after Carey carries the Habs to a Cup.
      ( I know you didn’t like that last sentence…)

      • mksness says:

        for such a short tournament, i think you pick the most reliable and hot goalie at the time. having big game experience would be a pro.

        gonna be hard not to see the following in no specific order lace up for canada

        luongo, price, crawford

      • :lol: I’m just busting chops, I could care less who starts are long as he’s the best option.

        I get a huge kick out of people talking Bernier :lol: though, freaking Leafs fans are so hilarious and predictable.

        I’m gonna chatup the goalie talk all winter just to bug them.

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      • Chris says:

        I wouldn’t be so sure of that. If Bernier plays strongly for the next 2-3 months, he will definitely get a long look, just as Carey Price and Marc-Andre Fleury did in 2010. His lack of starting experience is certainly a knock, but the same knock could be held against Braden Holtby too. Playing in Toronto (or Montreal) is as pressure packed a situation as a goalie is going to find. If somebody can perform in that pressure, they need good nerves, which is certainly something Yzerman and his staff will be looking for.

        At this time in 2009-10, many Habs fans were talking up Carey Price as a dark-horse for Team Canada. He had 93 career games and was 22 years old and was coming off a disastrous second half the previous season.

        I don’t see Bernier being a legitimate option, but Canada’s goaltending positions are completely up in the air. Bernier could easily being in the running for a 3rd spot, which the Canadian brass have typically given to younger goalies who are seen as future candidates for the starter position.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          With Yzerman running the show, one never knows who and what will be chosen.
          He’s done such a great job since inheriting a nicely built team…

          • Chris says:

            That is part of the reason I’m not betting against Bernier. I have no idea what Yzerman is going to do. He’s been all over the map with the Lightning.

  12. ZepFan2 says:

    Just did a Leger poll. Here’s one of the questions,

    Among the following, which are the three public personalities who would motivate you the most to make a donation if they are associated with a cause?

    Please identify the most inspirational personality.

    The only athlete on there and the one I chose…P.K. Subban

    The second choice I was offered had the same people before (Québécois celebrities) minus P.K., my second choice was a “other” choice. I put in Jean Beliveau

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  13. frontenac1 says:

    I liked the kid celebrating his first goal. Running up the score still bugs me however,but it’s the NHL and I’ll get over it. Grapes still hasn’t gotten over his blowing the Cup with too many men on the ice. Now he just blows hot air,but I like his show, except for McLean.

    • mksness says:

      running up the socre is embarrassing? this is the pros. come prepared for the game and show up and that won’t happen. Rangers are a bit of mess right now and their performance is way more embarasing than a goal celebration. Further more it was funny to hear adam oases say it doesn’t belong when he has ovi jumping into the boards after every goal acting like it’s a gave seven winner.

      i like the celebrations in all fairness.

  14. JO says:

    Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
    Bourque Eller Gionta

    Prust Plekanec Briere
    Moen Desharnais White/Parros

    Than they’ll have the lines right and as good as the Habs will do 2013-2014

  15. oldtimerguy says:

    andrighetto looking good…

    mccarron, crisp, lekhonen, collberg, holland, fucale, hudon, Bennett, vail, de la rose, reway, nattinen, duffy, leblanc, bozon, nygren, thrower, didier, ellis, vail…the future is very bright…

    who will be moved to make space in a year or 2? of course DD will if you ask 99% of HIO posters…so THAT BEING A GIVEN, who else?

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      I always liked the Lehkonen pick and he is moving up my personal prospect list week by week as he continues to score in the top Finnish league! Gregoire and Crisp are coming on too…

      24 cups and counting….

      • oldtimerguy says:

        thinking lekhonen is a find, same for andrighetto and reway, and despite their size, they could be interesting, especially is crisp and McCarron make it….

    • vegas says:

      by then Briere’s contract will be done
      Gonta next year
      the year after that Plekanec. Bourque, Prust, Moen
      and the year after that DD uugh

      next season will be a key one as Subban will cost us a mint and Emelin will be UFA
      plus what to do with Markov

      • oldtimerguy says:

        id actually lose the following this year at the deadline….briere, pleks, gio, markov, moen, bourque. that’s about 24 million right there…draft higher because for sure we will finish lower, save cap to pay subban and other young core, promote from within, let them get experience, and then sign 1 or 2 fa’s in a year or 2…total youth movement that our young core that we now have can nurture..I think subban, eller, price, paccioretty, prust, gallagher, galchenyuk, tinordi are all capable of being leaders to the younger prospects we will be promoting from within….the logic underlying this whole idea is that we are NOT winning the cup in the next 2-3 yrs with the vets who cost a bundle and are in fact, diminishing returns. This is a business, lets get on with it this year, at the deadline.

        • LizardKing12 says:

          This will never happen in Montreal. IMO they will be holding on to a playoff spot come trade deadline. If MB were to trade away half the team this city would go nuts. The habs never did it when it would’ve been far more logical than it is now so why would they do it this year. Not to mention we are trying to build a winning culture, it sends a bad message to the young guys on this team if we simply throw in the towel. This team is not built to win the cup this year but Galchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher, Patches, PK and Price are all very talented young players and if they are playing their best hockey come playoff time this team will be a tough out.

  16. Chris says:

    Regarding the Olympics, can we just declare a moratorium on speculation about who the goalie will be for another 20 games or so? It is beyond silly to be looking at the early season play. Henrik Lundqvist is 1-3-0 with a 4.21 GAA and a 0.875 SV%. I will bet against anybody that thinks he is going to be anything but a formidable challenge for Sweden’s opponents in the Olympics.

    The usual suspects will be considered for Canada: Price, Luongo, Holtby, Crawford, and Smith were all given invites. Fleury, Bernier, Reimer, Ward and Mason will all try to win their way into the discussion.

    Goaltending will not win anybody the tournament in Sochi. The other teams are too strong: Finland (embarassment of riches with Rask, Niemi, Lehtonen and Rinne to choose from), Sweden (Lundqvist), Russia (Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Nabokov), Switzerland (Hiller), Slovakia (Halak) and the Americans (Howard, Quick, Schneider, and Miller) are either set in net or have a wonderful selection to choose from.

    Canadian hockey fans might need to resign themselves to the idea that Canada is not going to pick their goaltender based on who can win the tournament, but instead on who won’t lose it for them. Consistency is going to trump ability and potential. With the strength of the Canadian defence corps and the explosive offensive firepower, they need a goalie that they can count on.

    The scary thing is that there isn’t a single Canadian goaltender right now that has been even remotely consistent in their effort and level of play over the past couple of years. They are **all** goaltenders whose level of play could be modeled by a particularly scary roller coaster.

    One or two of them will undoubtedly have a nice year, and they will have the inside track. But it is far too early to see which ones.

  17. habstrinifan says:

    Methinks “About Last Night” has long since stopped being about last night. Due for a change?

    • Mattyleg says:

      The ‘Liveblog’ was never really a blog, and more of a vent for Boone’s outbursts.

      The blog should really be a way for people who can’t watch or listen to the game (at work, whatever) to be able to keep up with what’s happening, and not just:

      “What was that?” “Whew! P.K. is fine” “PRICE!! Wow!” “Briere’s best moments”*

      I think that needs a change too. Nothing against Boone, but just need someone who can blog the game properly.

      *Actual posts

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      I didnt mean it that way at all. It’s just that it’s been a few sleeps now since last night was last night.

      I’m a HUGE Boone fan evein in moments when I disagree with his ‘take’.

      After all even though he is a johnny-come-lately he too has been bit by the Bournival Bug.

      • HabFab says:

        Actually Boone was the first person that I can remember saying that Bournival would surprise and that after the Memorial Cup, Boone felt he was the most NHL ready of the prospects.

        • Chris says:

          Yep…Boone was on that train long before anybody here.

          I’m still not sold on Bournival at the NHL level. He’s got amazing speed, but so far he’s reminded me of Tom Pyatt. And I want him to be far, far more than Pyatt.

  18. Chuck says:

    Habs-prof, Cherry is an out of date, out of touch blowhard. And if you share his sentiments, then perhaps he’s not the only one who should put a cork in it.

    Let the kid celebrate a once in a lifetime achievement. And fighting in hockey will end up killing someone. The average hockey player isn’t 165 lbs. anymore.

  19. Mattyleg says:

    Quiet in here this morning…
    People still sleeping off their turkey?
    Some of us have work to avoid here, ya know…!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  20. chelly24 says:

    Sub ban is the ‘new’ Chelios! Let’s not repeat history and trade him!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I attended a football camp in High School in Virginia. There was a running back whose nickname was “bowling ball.”. He was a short running back but built like a brick sh#t house. His name was Don Nottingham and I remember he talked to us about weight lifting, isometrics and the evils of speed (drug).
      I think Gallagher is a lot like him. I think in addition to a strong will to succeed he also is strong as an Ox.
      I’ve been trying to find a player who compares to Gallagher and his style. This is the best I can come up with.

  21. rhino514 says:

    Great to see Price have a great game. He gets alot of flack over here.
    He may not be able to win a playoff round by himself, but he is working hard to cement himself as one of the better goalies in the league and last night was a good step in that direction.

  22. HabFab says:

    Renaud interviews Louis Leblanc… first since send down. Interesting side piece of info is that Thomas is recovering from a sports hernia. Article in French (still cannot figure why they keep sticking their noses in, perhaps Marty or UCe can explain) so major points;
    - he did not request a trade as some reported. Wants to play in the NHL for Montreal.
    - worked very hard over the summer and was disappointed but Bergevin wants him to be successful in the AHL first so that he can succeed in the NHL
    - had done some retro-speculation over the summer and realized that he needed to become a better communicator with teammates, coaches etc. Apparently he is very quiet.
    - so full steam ahead with the intent to be ready to stay when called up next
    - as for the gf. She knew the sacrifices that had been made and was disappointed…old news.
    http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx#

  23. Maritime Ronn says:

    Kudos to Coach Therrien and his line juggling.
    He may just have it right.

    Perhaps he finally realized that little Davy cannot be a Top 6 C on a serious Cup contending team, or when the opposition takes the Habs seriously, and the intensity and physicality ramps up as it does in the playoffs.
    It’s one thing to be a Top 6 C on a last place Conference/28th overall team when the opposition is less interested and lightens up – something quite different on a team that wants to contend.

    There could be a place on this Habs team for Davy and the best it could or should be is 3rd line C.
    Davy absolutely needs guys to play with that can provide him a combo of size and skill and give him the Time and Space he needs to perform.
    Davy’s hockey IQ or vision were never issues.

    Some may say that Prust/Bourque are no Cole/Max – and they are not, yet don’t discount the skill sets they bring as to what Davy needs.

    Bourque is a big strong talented winger with wheels.
    He has had 3 seasons of + 20 goals (27-27-21) and was on track for a prorated 21 goal year had he not suffered a concussion.

    As for Prusty, no one will ever confuse him with Gretzky, yet he does have some skill when given a chance to play.
    One year with the Rangers, he put up 13 goals playing only 13:49 per game and the tiniest of PP time possible.

    Playing on the supposed 3rd line also keeps the line away from the other team’s elite D Pairing and usually it’s Top 6 skill or elite checking line.

    If Bourque and Prust can cause some havoc/go to the net and take the attention of the 2nd/3rd pair D and a forward away from Davy, most likely good things will happen.

    • mr_jmac says:

      Good post. You could argue that the Bourque-DD-Prust line was their best in Vancouver (especially in first two periods.) Seemed to keep the puck pinned in Vancouver end and had lots of speed and quite a few good opportunities.

      I’d like to see this line stay together. But when Gionta returns do you play Mac Pac-Eller-Gio and bump Briere to 4th line?

    • Eddie says:

      There’s nothing wrong with our forwards even if Desharnais plays. Even with Briere kind of pushing pencils out there Habs are scoring with a balanced approach.

      If this team is going to contend they are going to have to add another 20 plus minute, top 4 dman, because Subban, Markov, and Emelin is not enough. Plain and simple. We lack depth in our top 4 dman and we are therefore NOT a contender.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi Eddie

        Top 4 Dmen are rarely available, (maybe a 3-4-5 guy sometimes) and if they are, it’s via a huge long term UFA contract where 29 other teams are involved, or a trade that demands a king’s ransom of youth and draft picks.
        We may not be exactly be there right now for that type of sacrifice

        No top team has 4 great Dmen.
        Even the Hawks use Johnny Oduya in its Top 4, and during Oduya’s last season with Winnipeg, he was playing #5 Dman minutes.
        Is Boston’s Top 4 of Chara-Seidenberg-Boychuk-Krug so far superior to the Habs Top 4 once Emelin returns?
        I think not.
        They were quite fortunate to have superior performing goalies in Thomas and Rask that camouflaged many of their errors.

        Perhaps that other Top 4 you are looking for may emerge from within.
        Besides Tinordi-Beaulieu, there are some sleepers in Hamilton such as Nygren-Dietz and who really knows how 23 year old Pateryn may emerge if he has a great season with no injury.

        Habs will be just fine, eddie

  24. Ice Chips, HIO Edition and here’s your host, Les Nessman

    Briere is window dressing for the pro shop and a good filler for the third/fourth line. At 36 years old and over five years from anything important he’s ever done, he’s a good Canadiens third line player and cheap filler. 5 games in is way too early to close the books but he and DD look great together (hehe), and in ten more games they will both find themselves in the press box. Unless of course the Habs don’t want to win then they get a normal shift all season long.

    Yakupov? His English is horrible, and you are reading way too much into what he said. He’s saying he doesn’t like playing the third line role, and that’s not his game. But if you are reading anything at all he’s also saying he should be playing first line. He’ll understand when someone in Edmonton gets a clue.

    Looking forward to watching the Ladies line brawl, in my youth I was a big fan of ladies wrestling but my question is how did they get the mud into the pool, in the middle of a rink?

    Up this week in Team Canada talk. 1. Price 2. MAF 3. Bernier

    Price? People are still upset the Habs traded Halak and kept Price. Too funny and those same people want Price to steal every single game. If Price is stealing games, that means the offense sucks, and that’s not good.

    Halak, blues setting him up for deadline trading, they just hope he stays healthy until then, or doesn’t get hurt in the Olympics. Young Jake Allen is licking his lips and there’s no turkey grease on there. Stay tuned for internet Hurricane Allan.

    Galchenyuk, omg Iove this kid. Gallagher, omg I love this kid.

    Montreal defense not named PK, omg….they’re OK (this week).

    Briere 1 point, Desharnais 0 points, Gomez is blowing them away with 3 points. OK that’s just funny.

    So my learjet blew a fluxcapacitor and I can’t get another one made until Christmas, so I had to book a westjet flight for the Summit. I am searching for flights and I ran into a sale, 535.00 taxes included return to Winterpeg, that’s incredible (loved that show).

    So happy the Habs beat Vancouver. They are the Leafs of the West.
    Speaking of Leafs, time to take out the trash.

    FYI I am writing this on Microsoft Word, I don’t trust the hamsters who run the server anymore.

    Time for payday. The Montreal Gazette is the only Montreal Canadiens sports I read loyally. That Stu Cowan is one slick writer and I hear he can bench more than I can…..I doubt that and challenge….wait for it…..excepted!

    HApPy ThANkS giVINg

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member 1.29.31.33

    • mksness says:

      why do u hate halak so much? he’s having a good year and remember how well the playoffs went for st louis with elliot?

      allen is a young goalie with some promise but he’s far away from being anointed a #1 role

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        “hate so much” ? If we insist on using the word ‘hate’ for dislike or disapprove or criticize, it loses its meaning. We’ll have to invent another word to signify a dislike that is visceral, emotional, irrational.

        Someone saying he’s happy we kept Carey Price and dealt Jaro Halak isn’t ipso facto saying he hates the Blues goalie.

  25. frontenac1 says:

    @lafleurguy. Yeah I know what you mean. I still don’t like it when the game is way out of reach and they keep popping them in. Guess it goes back to my minor league coaching when I would tell the boys to back off and close it down. Gallagher is Grit. Chara is a punk.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Big Jean Beliveau and Bob Lemeiux’s grandfather played for the Hab’s.
      Marcel Belliveau played for the Canadiens during the 1914-15 season prior to his departure for WW 1. His career was ended shortly thereafter when he was critically wounded by a German machine gun bullet.

      story below

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hey front. You’re one of the best at making a point in a good-natured way, so it is good practice for some of us to debate with you. We won’t get personal insults in return. With younger kids, they are often on teams that are badly mismatched, so the coaches have an important task to take the foot off the pedal. But for the pros, and especially at the NHL level, winning is first priority, but second is to be as sharp as possible. And the monetary payoffs are huge. And do you think some of the guys would have their celebrity wives if they were career AHLers? Other than giving his third and fourth lines the bulk of the remaining ice time, Sharks coach McLellan couldn’t really expect his stars to play like fourth-liners. Enjoy your humour bud. Cheers.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    Boys and Girls, My Thanksgiving message to you all.!

    I have a great story to tell you about Jean Beliveau’s family.

    First I want to tell all of you how Thankful I am to now being able to read and write at 70 years old. After having gone through 60 years of being eliterate. I had missed out on so much. A great many HIO members worked with me in my struggle to being literate. And this is the reason I organize the HIO Fan Summit each year.! In pay back.
    Thank You All.

    Secondly–At 7 years old until I left home while repeating grade 6 for the second time, I played football and hockey in St. Lambert. One of my very best friends that I also shared these sports with and we also raced homing pigeons together. He was Jean Beliveau’s cousin. His name is Bob Lemeiux. Bob was a big fella who gave me my fist concussion in football when I went low to tackle him, his knee made contact with my chin. I have just now found out the Bob went on to caption the Mtl. Junior Canadiens under the coaching of Scotty Bowman. Bob was a tough hockey player in the NHL and coached the Detroit Red Wings farm team, unbeknown to me as we had never spoken since we were kids, and I was literate, so we lost track of each other until two weeks ago. When both our work with concussion brought us together for the first time since I had left home some 55 years ago.
    Below is a letter that he sent to me about Jean Beliveau and Bobs grandfather. There is a monument of their grandfather outside the Bell Center today!

    IAN:

    LOOKING FOR MORE FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

    THE FOLLOWING IS A LETTER TO EDDIE ST. PIERRE MONCTON TIMES AND TRANSCRIPT…RETIRED SPORTS EDITOR TIMES AND TRANSCRIPT

    Dear Eddie;

    On behalf of the Marcel Belliveau family I like to thank you for the mention of our patriarch in your November 18, 2009, column, “Habs have had Metro, N.B. connections.”

    It is not often these days that a great man from the past is remembered; but the Belliveau family, his daughter’s Evangeline and Judith, his grandsons, Bob and Bernard, and his granddaughters, Margot, Mimi, Marie and Rene, have never forgotten the impact he had on our lives. Although he was a superior, athlete and coach, he was our hero. His determination to overcome adversity, associated with the wounds suffered in WW I, his undying commitment to his family and extended family and his commitment to the helping young athletes in Dorchester succeed and his unwavering belief that young inmates at the penitentiary in Dorchester, with help and understanding could make something of their lives have gone unheralded.

    I am taking the liberty of adding to your collection of background information on mu grandfather in the hope that you and I can pursue his overdue induction into the Moncton and New Brunswick Sports Halls of Fame.

    You highlighted his pre and post WW I hockey career but let me add some additional facts that are not widely known; Marcel was so dedicated to his career, even after his sustained his wounds that he not only played locally he attempted a comeback in the pro’s in Barrie, Ontario, under an assumed name, Ferdinand Belliveau, (his father’s) because he feared losing his army pension if he demonstrated he was not a 100% disabled veteran. Both he and my grandmother have told me the stories of how, at the end of each game, his underwear and uniform were soaked in blood from the hemorrhage produced by the exertion required to play competitively. Ultimately he had to capitulate or die.

    However, he returned to Dorchester where Warden Goad recognized his value as a human being and invited him to join his staff at the penitentiary. During the twenties he coached and assisted the Dorchester High School hockey team win two, back to back Provincial Championships. Again his involvement was scrutinized by others in the community who were willing to divulge to the Federal Department of Veterans Affairs that he was receiving a pension but functioning as a normal citizen, unfortunately he lived under that umbrella of threat for years. Prior to his departure for the pro’s he led the St. Bernard’s team in Moncton to the Provincial Championship as well, (enclosed picture). He made his name as a forward, but began his career as a goaltender, because that is where Acadians ended up at an Irish school back then, but undaunted he scored six goals in the game as a goaltender and that ended his brief career in the nets.

    As a product of a wartime romance I was delivered to my grandparents in Dorchester and raised by my grandparents and consider Dorchester my maternal home and Marcel and Ruth my advocates during the critical development years. My grandfather, as you will see in the accompanying images, had sustained significant wounds which required attention daily. As an impressionable child I would sit in awe as my devoted grandmother, an English bride, dresses the holes in his back and chest in the middle of the kitchen, each afternoon before he left for the pen. Alcohol and iodine administered into the wounds as far as the forceps could burrow, and never a sound of pain or discomfort was heard. His cheerful attitude was overwhelming and disarming. Strength and courage were simply something that a man did…no request for pity or supplemental help; life was what it was and we accepted the challenges we were given and moved on.

    My inspiration to pursue a career in sports was attributable to him, but not as a result of his vicarious need to re-live his life through me but to have me recognize, at age twelve, that if I chose to be anything in life, there was nothing to stop me. I remember it well; he asked me if I wanted to play fast pitch softball while I was with him in the summer in Dorchester with the Cyclones. I said yes, believing it was kids like me. However, when I arrived at the field, I was shocked to find men, intimidating guys, and I was expect6ed to become an integral part of their team and league. When I expressed my apprehension about my capacity to perform there all he did was, join me on the players bench, put his arm around my shoulder and offered some simple advice, “Grand-sonny, you can do anything you want to do in life if you just believe in yourself!” Not bad for the oldest of thirteen children with a seventh grade education.

    In his own way he was a great humanitarian and philosopher who understood the human psyche and that was evident in his contribution to kids incarcerated at the pen. They loved him; he was a man’s man and for me he epitomized the Will Rogers personality…He never met a man he didn’t like!” I remember walking the streets of Moncton of our shopping days in the “big” city when I was a child and watching in amazement how everyone he met he greeted, stopped to talk too and whether in his Acadian French or English with his Acadian accent he had a story to tell and everyone laughed. He would have made a great politician. He knew how to press the flesh and make a bad a day good. His smile was infectious and no one had a bigger heart for the less fortunate.

    I can’t remember a day in Dorchester when a man leaving the penitentiary didn’t stop buy our house on Water Street come to the door to say good bye to Marcel or as they addressed him, :Mr. Belliveau.” They never asked but they always were fed a great meal, by my grandmother and then taken across the driveway to the Adirondack chairs on the lawn where he would sit t=the man down sit beside him, with me at his feet admiring the man, and listen to him asking the released felon to promise not to return and to begin his life over and to stay out of trouble. He always pointed out the qualities in the con and never diminished his talents or character. It was an education in understanding that I have never forgotten.

    His only vice was his attempt to avoid my grandmother’s scrutiny, when he

    He’d always slip the fellow a wad of cash and a simple message; “Don’t mention this to the old lady (my grandmother) and use it wisely to get back on your feet,” and this from a man who was not wealthy himself…others mattered more to him and the hope he had for them, than himself. I don’t know how many recidivists there were but I never saw the same faces in the yard a second time.

    Eddie, this is a special man, he was more than a grandfather to us he was special to many in the Moncton area. This past summer he was honored at the World Congress of Acadians, The Belliveau Clan, as one of their heroes. Another tribute the family is grateful for. Two or three years ago he was the City of St. John, when he was included in their exhibition of WW I and WW II heroes, it has since made its way, across Canada. As for the Canadiens, he was the first Acadian to play for the vaunted Canadiens, followed by our cousin and captain, Jean, (same family tree), and I was blessed to be a member of their organization from age thirteen to twenty-one when I was drafted by the Oakland Seals in the first NHL expansion draft. It was an interesting coincidence that I wore the same number 4 as my grandfather and the Jean also wore. At the time Jean was captain of the big club, I was honored to be named captain of the Junior Canadiens by Scotty Bowman. Maybe there are six degrees of separation between people.

    Iam honored to be Marcel Belliveau’s grandson and I hope that we can see that he is honored with induction into the Moncton and New Brunswick Sports Hall of Fame.

    Your help would be most appreciated.

    Sincerely,

    Bob Belliveau-Ferrin Lemieux

    PS–From Ian Cobb–Bob is putting together with pathologists a brain donation bank in Moncton of concussed players.

  27. frontenac1 says:

    @habprofessor. Agree, can’t stand seeing a team run up the score at any level of hockey but don”t some of those tournaments dictate it? Something about total points in the round robin? I could be wrong on that though. Love The NAG amigo!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hey front, remember how so many celebrated Sittler’s six goals and ten points? Gretzky and friends were part of many blow-outs. The last game he played for the Habs, King Patrick let in nine goals on twenty-six shots in less than two periods of play, so do we say it was the Wings who caused the trade? There’s grit from elsewhere too….Chara (boo).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  28. Eddie says:

    So I spent some of my Sunday watching the competition and here are a few thoughts.

    1) Spezza is probably not a great choice for captain. His game has always lacked consistency, and particularly a consistent effort. That’s not captain material in my view.

    2) The Senators “intimidation” game, starting with the very tough Chris Neil, was virtually non existent as they bumbled their way through defensive error on top of defensive error to an early 2-0 deficit. In the first five minutes they had given up TWO flat out break-aways and TWO goals by scorers left wide open in the slot (as the great Denis Potvin very astutely pointed out). One of the goals was caused by a soft pass from Neil that missed its target badly leaving the defensive zone. Then Neil skated hard back towards his net to defend, but he left HIS side and HIS man completely uncovered, which led to Perry’s first goal.

    Where was Neil’s thuggery after his mistake? Where was Neil’s “punch him out, throw them down” approach, to help his team regain some momentum? Nowhere.

    3) In the Florida vs Kings game I could not stop watching Barkov. Wow!! Think of a young Ryan Getzslaf. He just turned 18 on Sept 2, can you imagine? 6’3, 215, and the full package at the center position already; 3 zones, big body power, puck control game down low and in front of BOTH NETS; great skater for his size, vision, passing, scoring; truly extraordinary.

    It looks like Colorado, Florida and Nashiville have scored huge with their picks, and Tampa sent Jonathan Drouin back to play Major Junior? Are you kidding me, Steve Yzerman? I have no clue what happened in Tampa but I can assure you that Drouin is massively talented and that move of sending him back to Junior really boggles the mind.

  29. frontenac1 says:

    Fail with Nail? Sorry amigos, the kid has only played half a season. He should learn to keep his mouth shut and do what the coaches tell him to do. Russian,Canadian,American, it doesn’t matter.He”s still a rookie. Saludos!

  30. Bill says:

    Ottawa were a pretty impressive team last year, winning with all those injuries can’t be a fluke. But I would say that Anderson had a but of a fluke year and that helped. I mean, when a journeyman goalie sets the all-time record for save percentage, something weird is going on.

    Losing Alfredsson changes that team’s identity. We will see how good a coach Maclean really is or not.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bill
      Anderson had some good years prior to Ottawa when he was between 25-28 in Florida and Colorado.
      He also had some outstanding playoff games on less than true Cup contenders
      http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/a/andercr01.html

      • Bill says:

        Hey Ron,

        I am pretty familiar with Anderson, and I am not putting him down, but I think the “journeyman” tag applies. He’s 32 and has played 18 more NHL games than Carey Price.

        Again, not putting him down. I think any goalie who made the NHL is obviously pretty outstanding. There are only 60 NHL goalies playing at any given time out of who knows how many goalies in the world. They’re the cream of the crop.

        I guess my point is that Anderson is your average NHL goalie with average career stats. He looks better on good teams and worse on bad ones like anyone else. Yet he set the record for save percentage. That remains pretty anomalous in my books!

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • on2ndthought says:

          and this is why you have to preach patience with Price, or any goalie. Roy and Brodeur aside, not many goalies have careers unblemished. Even Roy couldn’t stop a puck one night…sigh. Look at Fleury, cup one year,, two mediocre seasons after. Anderson has always shown flashes, but really put it together lately. He is also injury prone, and will likely have a short peak to his career. All these NHL goalies can steal games, or series. (except Patrick Lalime) Price is already a young veteran in net, and will lead us to a cup some day soon (finger’s crossed). When he peaks we should get 5 or 6 years of the best goalie in hockey.

          “a cannonading drive”

    • JUST ME says:

      Something went wrong and remains unsaid in the Alfredsson deal. The way the management tried to do damage control after everytime he spoke makes me think there is something fishy that goes over the money deal or the broken promises by Melnick and the Sens. I just do not think you can let go such a player without being weaker afterwards.
      Also they let go the kid Silfversberg that was really impressive last season in the Ryan deal. I expected (hoped?) a second year itch even though coach McLean seems to be in control.

      Still early in the season but the gap created by the lost opportunities to grab points is very long to fill in the NHL.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Just a feeling from here, yet always believed that the Ottawa ownership didn’t want Alphie back and the big dollars it was going to take to keep him.
        He wasn’t going to lead the Sens to a Cup or more playoff rounds so they may have just made him ‘an offer he had to refuse.’

        If you look at the financial side, Ottawa is 26th in Cap spending so far this year, and are about $9M under the Cap Ceiling.
        If they really wanted Alphie, there was plenty of Cap space to sign him

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I read where Maclean said that goaltending was the only thing that the team was doing well. Perhaps the guys thought it would be easier this year after doing so well with injuries last year and they are a little mentally off. It seems like there is a very thin line between success or failure in this league.

  31. JUST ME says:

    Looks like tough times ahead for the Yakupov kid. Maybe another season in the junior would help him. Not all gifted kids are NHL ready as soon as they are drafted.

    I tend to blame the Oilers though for trying to do with him what he is not. All his carreer he has been dominant and successful .He is not a player as complete as Galchenyuk is but is so talented and gifted that it will one day bring dividends in the big league. That`s why they were such a killer duo together.

    In the case of the Oilers i think that there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. They have too many of those unexperienced pure talented youngsters and would need to complete them with other styles of hockey players. Actually a two way artist like Galchenyuk would be just what the doctor ordered but as we say…IN YOUR FACE !

    But it is still early in the season and i will not blame the Oilers for sitting him and trying to coach him and have him learn from his mistakes. Not sure that you can force feed him with a style he is not good at….

    • HabFab says:

      Too old for Junior.

    • JF says:

      Agree about the Oilers. They tend to use their high picks on the same type of player year after year, with the result that they have a lot of talented wingers but are weak at centre, on defence, and in goal. I thought at the time that, instead of taking Yakupov, they should either have taken Murray or done as the Habs did – check out Galchenyuk’s knee thoroughly and take him. Fortunately for us, they did what they always do – take the player the scouts rank highest. There are times when it may be better to draft for organizational need; I think last year was one of those times for the Oilers. Speakng of which, I’m very happy to see the Habs drafting with an eye to need rather than automatically taking the highest-ranked player.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Got to wonder about Oilers’ scouting dept. We got Subban and Gallagher after the first round, and I don’t know if they found any hidden gems in the later rounds.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        One would think that they are drafting good players which could be moved for good assets. It’s like they are between a rock and a hard place, for it would be a difficult thing to draft lesser players according to needs. You would think that Nail or others would be a pretty tradeable asset.

    • Bill says:

      An early season slump is pretty meaningless. He led the Oilers in goals last season as a rookie, and he’s got talent that is off the charts.

      He’s going through an adjustment period as a lot of sophomores do, and he’s got two really good wingers ahead of him in Eberle and Hemsky.

      All the Oilers are struggling, not just him. He might have a rough entire sophomore season, or – more likely – will snap out of it once he simplifies his game and learns to play his role.

      There’s no problem with Yakupov, and while I personally prefer Galchenyuk, it’s a toss-up as to which player deserved to be taken first and who will have the better career.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  32. NoTinFoilCups says:

    With regards to all the negative comments about Briere. Honestly I could care less what he does during the regular season as long as he brings it in the playoffs as he is known to do. On the other hand players who rack up points during the regular season and disappear in the playoffs are good for what?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Getting you into the playoffs?

      • on2ndthought says:

        yep, so on a balanced team you want both types, some to get you to the dance and some to score there. Remember we got Moen for his shut down playoff ability, and now we have a guy who gets bigger when the games do. Don’t worry about Briere.

        “a cannonading drive”

  33. Cal says:

    Happy Thanksgiving! Fall is officially here.
    In about three weeks, snow should be on the ground.

  34. DipsyDoodler says:

    Ottawa’s one win in 6 games is not a surprise. I’ve been telling you all along they fluked their way to a 7th place last year. Even with the best goaltending in the league they only squeaked into the playoffs. Alfredsson couldn’t wait to get out of there. And their coach makes Randy Carlyle look like Roger Neilson. Puh-leaze.

  35. wjc says:

    Why does women fighting in hockey with their wire face guards on make me want to giggle.

    How does the first 5 games last year compare to the first 5 games this year? Oh…oh…I am giggling again.

    Yukapov will have to be more like Markov….keep his mouth shut or say no comment……oh..oh I am giggling again.

    Always find something to complain about makes me giddy and giggly

    wjc

  36. Walmyr says:

    Good morning guys…
    I think Nail Yakupov is just a young kid frustrated by the fact that he and his team aren’t playing as expected. The Edmonton’s management are the real targets here. This franchise has a very good young core. But they are not a team.

    It’s not about russian players. It’s about the way the russians are, the way they behave. Not good or bad. They are just different from the north americans. Period.

    Nail is a very good hockey player. He has all the tools to be a dominant player in any hockey league. And I hope he remains in the NHL for a long time. Like some of you guys already wrote: bad luck, he was selected by the Oilers…

    cheers

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      He doesn’t like hitting? Fine. I don’t remember Wayne Gretzky ever finishing a check.

      But skating? You’re in the wrong line of work man. Ever thought of golf as a career?

    • wjc says:

      ‘They’ is a funny word……when you refer to a whole race of people as they, you are saying ‘they’ are all the same…..not true.

      e.g. ‘those Canadians love their beer’ is too broad of a statement, because not all Canadians drink beer.

      It is like an I.Q. thing…..Sally likes to skip……Sally is a girl…..all girls like to skip…..true or false.

      Tom likes to eat apples….Tom is a boy…. all boys like apples..true or false.

      When you generalize….it makes a person look stupid.

      wjc

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Mornin’ Walmyr. Just friendly curiosity….do you like soccer/football more than hockey? And if the Habs weren’t around would you follow hockey? We’re celebrating Canadian Thanksgiving, so I’ll raise a toast* to you and all the international Habs fans.

      “May you live in interesting times.”
      *literally,I’mchewingonmybutteredtoast.

      • Walmyr says:

        Hey wjc…sorry…it was not my intention to generalize…sometimes it’s hard for me to express myself correctly because english is not my “mother language”…that’s why I “always” try to stay out of the discussions here…

        I just tried to say that is too soon to go so hard on Nail…he is a young kid…

        cheers

      • Walmyr says:

        Hello Lg…yeah…here in Brazil we like football (soccer) more then our moms…
        I never thought about hockey without the habs…My interest in hockey came because of Canadiens history, I think…

        About the thanksgiving, THANKS…and cheers to you all!!!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Lots of raw talent there but 3 very long unwarranted deals for the kids who each will make $6M a year forever.

      Eakins may have been good with the youngsters in the AHL.
      They made little money and feared him as a potential block to the NHL if they ended up in his bad books, but this is THE NHL.

      Yell or threaten these rich young guys and they’ll tell him to F off and his days will be short

      Huge lack of mature leadership.
      Management also caught the disease known as Phillyitis-and the dictionary describes that as ‘going nowhere without a goalie.’

  37. habstrinifan says:

    Very very early in the season but there are some surprises.. mostly negative surprises.

    Toronto is looking very strong with what seems an adaptive game.. Bernier has been a factor of course, but their attack is quite strong and their coaching really distributes ice time based on ‘results’. It may not be the same old Leafs after all.

    Ottawa is having a rough time.

    What is wrong with Washington, NY Rangers, Carolina, Buffalo.

    In the WEST Roy and Colorado are leaps and bounds the story.

    SJS and Colorado .. who will fade first?

    As a group there seems to be more parity in the West. Expect some teams in the East to fall out of the picture very early.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Trini. In the what’s wrong with department, Buffalo is the easiest to answer. They have no players except when Miller is on. They’ll be in the hunt for a lottery pick. Outside of an elite goalie, Carolina is in the same boat.

      If memory serves me right, Washington got off to a slow start last season as well. I’d think they’ll turn it around shortly.

      The Rangers may very well be another episode of the sum of the parts not equally the whole. Lots of name players but they don’t seem to gel very well. They’ll struggle to make the playoffs.

      Ottawa? Whatever Mavid says.

      Roy has his boys playing very well but eventually over the course of a long season talent tends to take over and in this case San Jose has plenty. Look for Colorado to fade.

      On another note, How bout that Bournival?

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi jim

        Buffalo is a complete mess and to make matters worse, their best players are pending UFAs are Miller, Vanek, and Ott.
        Will they want to stay in an at least 3-4 year rebuild?
        They need a new GM.

        As for Carolina, they are in 7th place in the Conference and have as many points as the 3rd place team.
        They have some excellent skilled players in the 2 Staals, Skinner, Semin, Ruutu
        Unfortunately for them, 2 of their Top D in Pitkanen (out for the year) and Gleason (concussion) are out.
        They will be in the hunt come March

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Hey Ronn, yeah, I thought about Carolina after I hit the submit button.
          Two minutes for premature posting (pp) but its not gonna ruin my day as my GAR is very low, CHeers.

        • JF says:

          Carolina had terrible injury luck last year and seem to be having the same this year. They started well last year, but their season fell apart when Ward was injured. This year, it’s the defence, as you point out; but their backup goaltender, Anton Khudobin, who had looked very good, was also injured yesterday. On top of that, I read something the other day to the effect that Kirk Muller might be too much of a players’ coach; the players might be feeling too comfortable, too sure of getting their ice-time no matter what the results.

          As for Buffalo, they have stockpiled a lot of talent recently, hitting home runs in both of the last two drafts, with players like Grigorenko, Girgensons, and Ristolainen, among others. They’ll need time to develop these players and put it all together, and I’m not sure about their management and coaching teams. When Rolston took over last year, he looked exactly like Randy Cunneyworth. I was surprised they kept him on – but in fact, I don’t really know anything about him except that he was their AHL coach. Perhaps he’s there mainly to develop the young players.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            JF
            Carolina actually had to start their 3rd string goalie Justin Peters for 16 games and he went 4-11-1 .891SP and 3.46GAA.

            Imagine if the Habs had to start Robert Mayer for 16 games last year?

  38. HabFab says:

    I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m sick and tired about hearing of Gio crying in Therrien’s arms. I mean seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And what is with the ladies and their hockey brawl? Didn’t see too many punches thrown but a whole lot of face masking and steer wrestling. A question for the informed but are they trying to;
    a) remove their opponents helmet
    b) scratch their faces
    c) or some serious eye gouging attempts
    SCARY!!!!!!!!

  39. rhino514 says:

    Regarding Yakupov; Russian players are regularly stereotyped as lazy. But aren´t they just more honest and less worried about giving these PC answers/ tow the company line that hockey players are expected to give? UCE made a comparison to football, the standard in football and other sports is totally different. In those sports, players can pretty much say what they want and get away with much more.
    In hockey; particularly in regards to the Canadian mentality on how hockey should be played, a player is expected not to make such comments and if he does, he is labelled as a bad egg and not good for the team.
    My personal view is that the pendulum has swung a little too much in the direction of “never say what you honestly think” in hockey; However I much prefer the way hockey players behave to the way other pro athletes behave. I think that is part of what makes hockey special. Most hockey players don´t have egos the size of cannon balls.
    I actually get a smile from Russian player´s “adjustments” to north american hockey, and I appreciate their blunt WTF reactions when a good ol´Canadian boy coach tries to make Ovechkin play like Bob Gainey.
    A guy like Kovalev, because of his inability to make fake, PC comments, and maybe because he wouldn´t skate 90% of the way across the ice to make a token forecheck just to satisfy the coach or ingenuous fans, came across as selfish and lazy to some people; nothing could be further from the truth; the guy wanted to win as much as anybody.

    But in this case Yakupov simply crossed the line. If he had stopped at “why do i have to hit every shift”, fine; Forechecking? Shouldn´t have gone there. Skating? That was just stupid.
    And, yes, boy am I glad we drafted Galchenjuk instead. Actually, can anyone imagine Galchenyuk making such a comment?

  40. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning and Happy Thanksgiving.

    What’s going on with the NY Rangers?
    28th in scoring – last in goals against per game at 5.00, and an NHL worst Minus 16 goal differential ( Torts is smiling..)

    Pending UFA goalie Henrik Lundqvist, looking for a big payday in the area of 8 years/$56M, has been awful after 5 games posting numbers of .887 SP and 4.21 GAA. (thank god those aren’t Carey’s early numbers…)

    Injuries? A completely healthy team with the exception of Nash who has missed the past 3 games.

    Dear GM Bergevin,

    If your telephone rings and your call display says ” Glen Sather” take said telephone and immerse it into a large bucket of water.

    Now if you feel compelled to answer, and he wants to talk trade and begins to dangle names such as Brad Richards – the 34 year old with 7 years left on his contract with a Cap Hit of $6.66M (you know what the ’666′ means)…and all he wants back is some rookie DMan, please hang up and use the “Block Number” feature.

  41. HabFab says:

    Multi-point games out of the prospects last night were Gregoire with 2G + 1A, Hudon with 1G + 1A and Reway with 2A.

  42. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs -

    Milestone night for two #Habs Tuesday in Winnipeg: Gionta will play his 700th NHL game, Gorges his 500th

  43. Torsion Shear says:

    Couldn’t catch the game as I recently moved to Finland and the time difference is crazy, but what were the line combos for the game? Was Eller with briere and patches??

  44. frozengolf says:

    Here is a quote from Nail Yakupov after being a healthy scratch last night: “I really don’t like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don’t think it’s my game.” WOW!!! I am so glad we didn’t end up drafting this guy. Another russian with work ethic problems. So glad Galchenyuk was there for us. My prediction is Yakupov will end up in the KHL in 5 years playing beside the Kostitsyn brothers!!

    _________________________________________________________
    “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • Fransaskois says:

      Edmonton is not the place for him. Worried they’re going to ruin him, or rather, let him ruin himself.

    • slyCH says:

      There’s no way a hockey player mentions negatives to all aspects of playing hockey are his aversions to being a hockey player. No way. Send me a link, better yet send me a link with audio of him saying those things. No, send me an audio video link of him saying and basically confessing that he is basically not a professional hockey player but a poser. No F’n way did he say that.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Just to explore the other side of this issue, and stick up for the enigmatic lazy Russian, there’s some merit to the statement that he doesn’t like to play that style of game.

      To take an example from a different sport, some offensive linemen are better at run-blocking than pass-blocking. Most prefer run-blocking because you get to beat on defensive players, as opposed to the reverse when you’re pass protecting. If a lineman says he doesn’t like a gameplan or Offensive Coordinator because they’re pass-oriented, it’s not a mortal failing, it’s just a preference. Whether that jibes with the team’s philosophy, whether he should be on another team’s roster is a valid question, but the statement itself is not that big a deal unless it’s said in an inflammatory or insulting way.

      To take it back to hockey, if a Mike Bossy or Michael Ryder plays to his strengths, he may give the forechecking, finishing his checks angle less focus than lurking in the neutral or offensive zone, seeking to cut off a pass and take off in the other direction, or an open space where a teammate can feed him for a shot on net. Now some teams will accommodate for that. Then-Islanders GM Bill Torrey was told at the draft that there were two players left on the list for them to pick in the first round: “Mike Bossy, can score but can’t check, and Dwight Foster, can check but can’t score.”

      He famously replied: “Get me the scorer, we’ll teach him how to check.”

      So if an offensive player is stating a preference, or explaining that it would suit his skills better to not be a crasher and banger, but to prowl like a shark, maybe that makes sense. It might offend Don Cherry, but it may be true.

      Mike Cammalleri had essentially the same complaint about the Jacques Martin system, that it was so defensive that the whole team was playing to not make mistakes, to defend, instead of trying to create, to score. His words came out wrong, he called it playing and practicing with a losing mentality. He was pilloried for it by lots of fans, after being traded in short order by his GM, but it makes sense that some players don’t like the style of play their coach advocates.

      Look at the fascination with the “Coach Swap: Cross-Continent Edition” show, featuring John Tortorella and Alain Vigneault. The buzz at the start of the season was that the Canucks were too small and effete and sophisticated to play the brutish system demanded by Torts, with a heavy defensive bent and lots of shot blocking. Meanwhile, AV was supposed to release the shackles on Brad Richards, Rick Nash and Michael Del Zotto. The season is young and the results are different than expected, but it wasn’t heresy then to state that a team or certain players would thrive or suffer in a different system.

      So it’s not that controversial a quote for me for young Mr. Yakupov to say he’s not all that into forechecking and bodychecking. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we got Alex instead of him, but this might just be the case of a kid who has a motormouth (remember his Twitter misadventures) who said something that is impolite but true.

      • slyCH says:

        I actually like the fact the Rangers are shown to be “rudderless” at this point and the flip side shows it made no difference out west. Yeah. MT is our downfall if you listen to the negative T poster. I’m quite content where my team stands in direction at the moment. Merci beaucoup.

      • VancouverHab says:

        “It might offend Don Cherry…”

        Uhmm…how did Phil Esposito and Bobby Orr do under Don Cherry’s coaching?

        (But I entirely agree with your post’s argument though! Well said.)

      • frozengolf says:

        I know what you are saying U.C.E., and not everyone is a banger. But to be an effective NHLer, you need to skate hard every shift and forecheck! As you said, you can teach how to check, but this guy is saying he doesn’t want to do that! Even Mike Bossy, who is not known for his defensive play, ended up with 8 shorthanded goals. I will stand by my prediction, the KHL for this guy within 5 years.

        _________________________________________________________
        “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

      • Marc10 says:

        Yakupov is a scorer and I’d assume that’s what he’s saying.

        Yakupov, assuming he reaches his natural peek as a player, can look to Selanne, Stamkos, Patrick Kane, Ovie, Kovalchuk, Daniel Sedin and a other elite snipers as models on how to play that role successfully.

        Most of these guys aren’t benched for missing their coverage, but you don’t often see them get caught out by lesser lights (maybe Ovie wasn’t such a great example…)

        That being said, the Oilers are going to have to dump one of their stars up front to get some real talent on D and in net. Seeing Colorado rebuild and pass them in the space of one coaching hire, should send the Oil the message that whatever’s happening in Edmonton isn’t kosher and needs fine tuning.

        Yakupov would be the ideal candidate for a trade as he is the least accomplished of the lot and very much a one trick pony.

        Now to find a dancing partner that needs scoring but has stud D to offer. Florida?

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Mornin’ and G’Evenin’ M. You’re right that the Oilers will need to make a trade. Too bad for them that Yakupov is diminishing his value. As the saying goes, “I’d rather have a Gally than a Nail………”

          “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habilis says:

      First off, thanks frozengolf, for posting about this and thanks to Fransaskois for posting the link. I’d never have seen it otherwise. I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more made of this by the masses on twitter and such.

      Holy smokes, if I were an Oilers fan and I read that, I’d be utterly disappointed. Here is a first overall pick who basically admits that he has no interest in becoming a complete hockey player. Best you can hope for with a player like that is for him to become a Phil Kessel-like scoring threat. Great offensively, sure, but not a guy who can play in all situations and not a guy who will ever lead your club anywhere, a complimentary piece at best. Not what you want from a player you drafted 1st.

      Comparing that with Galchenyuk’s current path is like comparing apples with hand grenades.

      I thought it on that draft day and I still think that the Oilers should have taken Murray. I’m glad they didn’t, because who knows where the dominoes fall after that. But if I’m looking at it from their POV, I take Murray there. Yakupov was never a “can’t miss” guy like Crosby or Tavares or even MacKinnon. If there was one year where taking a bit of a flyer made sense, it was 2012. Dumb move on their part to completely ignore organizational need and draft purely for talent.

  45. Fransaskois says:

    @UCE

    Despres is a player I’ve been lucky enough to watch on several occasions. Very mature player with a really advanced two-way game for his age. I’m not sure he’ll ever be a world-beater in any one facet of his game but he’s solid, best way to describe him IMO. He can do everything on the ice, he can log big minutes, and seems to be a leader.

    Interestingly, there’s a good chance he’s going to be available. No room for him in Pittsburgh and they’ve got several good prospects coming up. Might be available for the right price, especially at the deadline.

  46. habs001 says:

    Do the Leafs really need Clarkson to score…any scoring he does will be a bonus but i think he will look good on their 3rd line…

  47. Bigdawg says:

    My LORD Briere sucks!! It’s been FIVE whole games – what a waste!

    How many peopled whined when Cole started with the habs and wasn’t producing? a Ton of people complained! He turned around and played awesome that year. We then managed to trade him and get value the following year – overall it was a great signing for the CH.

    I think we all owe Briere a chance.

  48. Un Canadien errant says:

    I take no comfort in the reminders that Daniel Brière’s contract is only for two years. I think that it will be an interminable two years, hogging salary cap space that could have been spent on better, cheaper free agents, on stopgap contracts while the Hamilton brigade marches to our rescue. We’re also locked in on those two years with a No Trade Clause.

    I don’t like the person, his claims that he always wanted to wear the bleu blanc rouge feel empty. I don’t like how his skillset lines up with the listed needs we had before the free agency period. I don’t like how it flies in the face of Marc Bergevin’s stated goal to build a team bigger and tougher to play against.

    I don’t want him to fail, I want him to prove me wrong, but I think the only time period that could feel longer than the two-year wait to eke out this contract would have been the final year of Tomas Kaberle’s contract.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  49. durocher says:

    - Price was excellent last night, his best game of the early season. It was the first time I felt Price was “stealing” a game or keeping us alive to win.
    - Diaz’s mistake may have been the suicide pass, but more importantly, it was falling asleep on his check, who scored. Diaz continues to be a defensive liability. On the first play of the game, for example, Diaz was easily muscled off of the puck, surrendering possession to a Van player.
    - Gally27 and Gally11 are dangerous almost every time they are on the ice
    - Last night was Tinordi’s roughest of the games he’s played. I don’t think he can be faulted for the giveaway the other night; Gorges should have told him a man was on him; but last night he wasn’t particularly strong

    According to Elliotte Friedman and others, MB is looking for a defenseman, leading to speculation that Murray’s injury is worse than initially reported.

  50. Habs1962 says:

    Habs looking good ! Need to clean up some things in our zone.. gettting Emelin back will help. Murray also should fill a need.

  51. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Line brawl in women’s hockey! You’ve got to stick up for your goalie and defend your team mates. Way to go girls, that’s Canadian hockey!

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/slam/hockey/canada-u-s-womens-hockey-teams-brawl/

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  52. frontenac1 says:

    Homicide pass?

  53. jols101 says:

    4 games today, all were west vs east and the western teams all won. Habs didn’t even play today and still got good news.

  54. Bill says:

    I think what’s more important than the fact that Leblanc was ranked ahead of Kreider is this: Kreider is no big loss. He’s no loss at all. People act like he’s some star player or some big prospect. He’s in the AHL just like Leblanc.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      His flash was more intense than Louis, since he produced in the playoffs. He also looks better on paper, that’s why we have some armchair scouting directors re-writing history.

      I didn’t do any pre-reading before that draft, so I didn’t have any opinions one way or another. Now I understand that some posters may legitimately have had a preference for one player or another at the time, but after the draft, all the writeups I read presented it as a draft that worked out perfectly for us. The local boy who was highly rated happened to be there when we were picking, and we didn’t have to skip over any more highly rated prospects to take him, as some would have wanted to do with Angelo Esposito a couple years previous. He wasn’t touted as a scoring superstar, just a skilled, smart player, I was thinking Guy Carbonneau or Patrice Bergeron, someone like that.

      • Fransaskois says:

        I think the only other option, or argument to be made, would be why we didn’t take Simon Despres. Higher rated skater, award winner, hometown player, and the McDonagh/Gomez trade was in the works (meaning we were likely anticipating lacking defensive prospects).

        He went 30th overall and has been a highly ranked and valued prospect ever since. 6’4 220lbs, two-way defenceman.

        Hindsight though…

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Another kid I’ve never seen play, but looks good on paper, he’s certainly caught my eye when I survey that draft or the Pens’ farm system.

    • naweed235 says:

      Ya Kreider went after Leblanc but so did Kadri… Why isn’t anyone complaining about that? if anything, he has accomplished more than both LL and Kreider put together. And to Ice the cake, he grew up as a diehard Habs fan…

  55. Mattyleg says:

    Gionta joining the Habs in Winnipeg according to Stubbs tweet.

    Great news for the team, and also must be good news on the home-front. Which is good to hear.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  56. Psycho29 says:

    Wow Anaheim with 55 shots vs Ottawa, 5 mins to go…
    4-1 Ducks

  57. oldtimerguy says:

    Trade white and moen for draft picks, give bourneval minutes, sign evgeni artuyhkin. :-)

    galchenyuk pleks gallagher
    briere eller paccioretty
    artuykin dd bourque
    bourneval prust parros

  58. Un Canadien errant says:

    Regarding the Louis Leblanc vs. Chris Kreider draft decision, and some revisionism going on that Chris Kreider was ranked higher by Central Scouting than Louis for the 2009 draft, that is demonstrably false.

    North American Skater Final Rankings

    RANK NAME TEAM (LEAGUE)
    1 TAVARES, JOHN LONDON (OHL)
    2 DUCHENE, MATT BRAMPTON (OHL)
    3 KANE, EVANDER VANCOUVER (WHL)
    4 SCHENN, BRAYDEN BRANDON (WHL)
    5 SCHROEDER, JORDAN U OF MINNESOTA (WCHA)
    6 MOORE, JOHN CHICAGO (USHL)
    7 GLENNIE, SCOTT BRANDON (WHL)
    8 DESPRES, SIMON SAINT JOHN (QMJHL)
    9 COWEN, JARED SPOKANE (WHL)
    10 KASSIAN, ZACK PETERBOROUGH (OHL)
    11 KULIKOV, DMITRY DRUMMONDVILLE (QMJHL)
    12 ASHTON, CARTER LETHBRIDGE (WHL)
    13 LEBLANC, LOUIS OMAHA (USHL)
    14 KREIDER, CHRIS ANDOVER (HIGH-MA)

    15 KADRI, NAZEM LONDON (OHL)
    16 ELLIS, RYAN WINDSOR (OHL)
    17 ELLIOTT, STEFAN SASKATOON (WHL)
    18 FERRARO, LANDON RED DEER (WHL)
    19 HOLLAND, PETER GUELPH (OHL)
    20 PALMIERI, KYLE USA U-18 (USDP)
    21 CARON, JORDAN RIMOUSKI (QMJHL)
    22 BUDISH, ZACH TEAM SOUTH WEST (MHSEL)
    23 BUTTON, RYAN PRINCE ALBERT (WHL)
    24 LEDDY, NICK EDEN PRAIRIE (HIGH-MN)
    25 DE HAAN, CALVIN OSHAWA (OHL)
    26 PARADIS, PHILIPPE SHAWINIGAN (QMJHL)
    27 OLSEN, DYLAN CAMROSE (AJHL)
    28 SHORE, DREW USA U-18 (USDP)
    29 EAKIN, CODY SWIFT CURRENT (WHL)
    30 BROWN, CHRIS USA U-18 (USDP)

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=31411

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    Ryder has a nice shot, I fail to see what other intangibles he brings at this point in his career. Not to say Briere has looked better, but don’t understand the Ryder love-in. He does not play bigger than Briere or DD.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I was always a Ryder fan, and was happy to see him come back, but I remembered why I fell out of love with his game; he is one of those players who is all you see on the ice when he’s doing well, but when he’s not doing well, he’s completely invisible.

      And he is extremely streaky.

      Briere can still make plays and use his speed to influence play when he’s not producing on the scorecard.
      Ryder, not so much.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • He’s from Newfoundland, who doesn’t love a good Newfie? Anyway I thought when Ryder left we’d be up shizan creek but the y9oung guns are stepping up to make up the goals lost in Ryder. Briere is window dressing, his usefulness will be in jersey sales to the local population.

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    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Ryder’s too slow. One slower player ruins the whole line on the forecheck no matter how fast the other two guys are IMO. We mostly have defencemen who are much better at holding the puck in at the offensive blue line than they are at clearing their own goal crease, so without a good forecheck the whole system falls apart. The Canadiens can barely afford a guy who skates like Ryder on any line, and certainly not on one of the top two lines.
      I thought Briere played a decent game last night. I think he’ll need to be a lot better than decent for the Canadiens to win the division, but at least on his bad, or so-so night he can still keep up with the play, which is more than we can say for Michael Ryder.
      For the record I always liked Ryder though. I just don’t think his skills fit well with our style of play.

  60. JohninTruro says:

    Gregoire with another 2 goals today, so I decided to look at the stats assuming he was first in goals in the OHL. 4 behind Mantha, wow.

  61. skoalbandit says:

    Cant wait for Emelin to be back. He will seriously round out the top 6. Not to mention force MB to make a deal!
    PK-Markov
    JG-Emelin
    tin-bouls/murray

    odd out
    drewiske-diaz

    • Mattyleg says:

      This is why MB wasn’t running around like a chicken with his head cut off, trying to sign whoever for whatever, and filling up our cap space with a d-man who will have to cede his place to Emelin when he comes back.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  62. twilighthours says:

    When I saw that Diaz pass to Eller, I too thought it was another suicide job.

    Does that make me as dumb as Stock? Say it aint so.

  63. Ian Cobb says:

    Hockey fights again! This time the kid suffers a “full body seizure” after his head hits the ice.

    Enough is enough people.

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/b-c-teen-dylan-chanter-full-body-seizure-050131184.html

  64. frontenac1 says:

    Which game were those TSN guys watching? Bernier didn’t look very good to me last night. If Dubnyk didn’t totally stink last night the Leafs would have lost.

  65. frozengolf says:

    Hey everyone, I’m back after taking the summer off, enjoying these last two games. Is Galchenyuk awesome or what? I know it’s early, but Markov is playing very well, not pre-knee injury Markov, but still good hockey. Here is a couple of questions for you: Do you want to see him re-signed in montreal, and for how much/length? IMO, he is not worth the 5.5 million, but a three year deal in the 3 mill per year sounds about right. His experience and power play magic will still be needed as the kids mature. Thoughts?

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  66. galchenyuk27 says:

    Even habs fans are class acts I was born and raised in Vancouver and my dad did the same thing as you guys have done so thankful I have a past and a future to be proud of couldn’t imagine being a casucks fan in fact its the fans that makes me dislike the team so much completely opposite of habs fans

  67. frontenac1 says:

    Hey Boone,join the club amigo. I got royally reamed last season for commenting on Diaz and his suicide passes. Goes with the territory eh?

  68. Ian Cobb says:

    What was your favorite 24CH Flash video this week?

    No. 3 -> http://goha.bs/GTIjwP
    No. 4 -> http://goha.bs/GRczrA
    No. 5 -> http://goha.bs/1ahqQ8K

  69. Stevie.Ray says:

    The Reporters on TSN did a piece on Team Canada goalies. The claim the Eller goal last night was Luongo’s fault and it would hurt his chances of starting for Canada. They brushed past Price saying he hasn’t been good this season (which he has),and then talked about how Bernier should be the favourite….

    • Steven says:

      Shows how much they know. Bernier’s been great, but I wouldn’t believe it coming from them after the former two statements.

    • Fransaskois says:

      …. That’s easily one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Bernier has started what – three games this year? And he has played all of 30 minutes of playoff hockey (in one game, in relief).

      He might turn into a steal for the Leafs but it’s insane to think he’s the frontrunner for the Olympics.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      That is not true. One guy, Steve Simmons, blamed Luongo. The rest defended Luongo. They didn’t “brush by” Price. They said he is the favorite and people want him to be the goalie. They also said the decision will be very difficult if a favorite does not pull away from the pack. Team Canada might then have to go with a hot goalie. One reporter stated it would be tricky with Bernier because he has played less than 70 games.

      Watch it again…

      http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/2/0/1023091/clip/382#main/latest

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    • They hate anything Montreal, Price has been the better of the three goalies mentioned thus far. Holtby isn’t even near them, and Smith too. I only saw MAF play one game this season and he looked way better than last season. Just to upset the country Price, MAF, and Bernier in the stands. While we’re all cheering for a gold medal, the Price haters will be begging for a Team Canada loss every game :lol:

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  70. on2ndthought says:

    A Senator, but wow, what a story:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/searching-for-bobby-ryan/

    “a cannonading drive”

  71. DipsyDoodler says:

    On RDS the host asked Mario Tremblay and Benoit Brunet who were the worst of the marquis free agent signings. Tremblay said all of them except Clarkson, but especially Briere. Brunet just said Briere.

    The contract is not remotely Gomez-like (5 years left at $7.5M when we acquired him not to mention who it cost us) but you have to wonder why we didn’t just keep Michael Ryder.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Buyout Gomez and Kaberle, immediately turn around and sign Desharnais and Briere to stupid contracts. Very frustrating. A little less of a cap hit but still two useless players taking up a good chunk of the cap space.

    • Steven says:

      Danny sure has fallen out of favour quickly with the French media. It’s only been 5 games, is what I say. The guy has a lot of time to turn it around.

      Worst part is, as soon as he scores his first, both Tremblay and Brunet are going to be all over him saying how good a signing he was. Count on it.

    • Mark C says:

      One has to wonder why no teams ever keep Ryder. Montreal lets him walk, Boston lets him walk, Dallas trades him, Montreal lets him walk again. Has he ever been re-signed?

      Interesting that Tremblay thinks the one player who hasn’t played a game, and who will cost his team 1/8 of his cap number while returning zero value, is not one of the worst signings.

    • LizardKing12 says:

      I would lump the Clarkson deal in there as being terrible IMO. The leafs signed him through the 2020 season at a cap his of 5.25 million and he is practically a glorified goon. I know he can score goals but he is no Eric Lindros, the guy has scored 30 goals once his career and has averaged .4 points per game over his career (a whopping avg. of 33 points a season!).

      To get back to the habs though it seems like Briere doesn’t have much left in the tank. It is early and I am still willing to give him another 10-15 games to get his act together. Luckily it’s a short term deal. I was in favor of bringing Ryder back. I know he had a bad playoffs but he is a pure goal scorer and we need a guy like that in our top 6. At 3.5 mil a season for 2 years it’s a better deal than Briere’s too. Some were saying that although Briere is smaller than Ryder he is feistier and would win more puck battles in the corners. So far I’ve seen none of that. For the most part he has looked slow and disinterested.

      • Strummer says:

        Ryder would have been a better option and better value considering he is younger, bigger, better point production and more cap-friendly .
        I agree he had a poor playoff last year but so did most on this squad.

        Good GM’s can find cost -effective UFA’s to fill in holes – look at Nonis with Mason Raymond for $1 million in Toronto

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      • Marc10 says:

        Ryder is too much of a floater. It’s a shame really as he is a proven scorer.

        I agree about Clarkson. He won’t be worth 1/10th of his price tag in a few years and the Leafs will be carrying that albatross while shelling out for Kadri, JVR and their goalies.

        I give Danny 10 games to find his wheels. Our kids came flying out of the gate and the veterans haven’t looked good in comparison. The gap should narrow as the season progresses. You can already see DD picking it up. I would assume Danny follows.

        RE UFAs: I would have preferred we sign a younger UFAs, but I guess once Bickell was off the table, Bergie, Dudley and co didn’t think a guy like Stallberg was worth it. Time will tell, but so far the Habs’ UFAs have been pretty disappointing — which tells me management should absolutely stick to their development plan and draft their way into contention.

        • LizardKing12 says:

          Yeah I think Bergevin and Dudley weren’t enamored with any of the young free agents and decided Danny would be a good stop gap while the prospects developed. I would’ve preferred Stallberg. He may not use his size super effectively but he is still a fairly skilled forward with a 6’3 210 pound frame. Three years at 3 mil is also a very reasonable deal and potentially playing top 6 minutes in MTL he would have an opportunity to put up more points than he did playing in a bottom 6 role on the Blackhawks. Oh well it wasn’t to be, hopefully Danny picks it up soon.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Sounds like the RDS folks weren’t focused on Habs at least.

  72. SmartDog says:

    Thanksgiving thoughts…

    What am I thankful for? Of course family and food, and friends – all the nice F words. But then there are the G words: Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and last night – goaltending.

    Having lived in and around Montreal for most of the last 25 years, I’ve seen a lot of lean times close up. But watching a team with so much young talent, knowing that we even more on the farm, is enough to make even my inner Timo happy.

    Is this team a cup winner in 2014? Probably not. But 2015? 2016? Maybe. And “maybe” in a tough lead with 30 teams is a high standard.

    I’ll say this: in 2 years we’ve gone from having our best player most nights be our “Datsuk lite”, Tomas Plekanec. And while Pleks is my favoite Hab for all he has done, his style of play, his versatility, and his consistency, I love seeing Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Subban, Price, and MaxPac, all pushing there game to a level that makes it hard to say who our best players are.

    Kind of makes you thankful. Amen.

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