About last night …


And with a bit more than 24 hours to recover – the Thursday game starts at 9:30 p.m. Montreal time – the Canadiens weill have to figure out how to play a 60-minute hockey game or they will go 0-for-Alberta.

And they may have to rebound without Josh Gorges. The veteran defenceman played one shift in the third period at the Saddledome. Gorges has some kind of knack, which means we could see Nathan Beaulieu on the CH blueline in Edmonton.

With all due respect to the 2011 first-round draft choice (Beaulieu was picked 17th overall), this is not a good situation. He would joining a defence corps that took its lumps in Calgary.

Andrei Markov played 27:23 against the Flames. How much will he have left one night later in Edmonton?

Raphael Diaz played almost 20 minutes and did not take a single shot toward Flames’ goaltender Joey MacDonald. If Diaz isn’t shooting, what the heck does he bring to the Canadiens’ lineup? Rugged physicality?

Aged Francis Bouillon had to play 21:34. Hey, we love Frankie and he’s a gamer. But against young, fast and aggressive forwards, such as the ones we saw in Calgary and more of the same in Edmonton, Bouillon just can’t keep up.

Jarred Tinordi looked bad on the second Calgary goal. But he’s a rookie, and there should have been more effective communication with Gorges on the play.

That leaves the reigning Norris Trophy winner, who spent the end of the game in the penalty box watching his teammates desperately scramble for a tying goal.

P.K. Subban is carrying the team from the back end. He’s capable, but I thought Subban was trying too hard against Calgary.

At least P.K. showed up for the game. That’s more than can be said for Rene Bourque. After two solid, hard-working efforts against the Leafs and Flyers, Bourque disappeared against his old team … and his MIA performance reduced the effectiveness of linemates Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta.

Michel Therrien dropped Bourque to the fourth line for a shift or two in the third period. The coach also flipped Brendan Gallagher and Daniel Brière in an effort to get the Lars Eller and David Desharnais lines going.

DD went 7-1 on faceoffs and about 1-77 in puck battles. He had more even-strength ice time than either Plekanec or Eller.

The ever-improving Great Dane was 8-4 on draws. And Eller continued his streak of scoring in every game the Canadiens have played this season. He’s on pace for 109 goals.

Alex Galchenyuk had five shots on goal – some from ridiculous angles. Max Pacioretty had four.

But until the late-game flurry, MacDonald was rarely troubled by white jerseys blocking his sight lines or crashing his crease. Wee Gallagher seems to be the only Canadiens forward who rushes in where too many of his teammates fear to tread. The physicality Bourque brought against Toronto and Philly was missed in Calgary. There are nights when you wish the Canadiens still had Erik Cole.

Ryan White had ZERO hits in the game … unless you want to count the check he laid on Travis Moen to create the turnover that led to Calgary’s first goal.

Brandon Prust played 10 largely ineffective minutes. I suspect Prust is hurt, because we’re not seeing the player who was a revelation last season.

It’s early, but we aren’t seeing the team that won its division and finished second in the Eastern Conference last season.

On L’Antichambre, Guy Carbonneau suggested the Canadiens were able to surprise teams during the truncated 2013 season. That isn’t happening this fall, and the Canadiens have been back on their heels early in the games against Toronto and Calgary.

Carey Price had no chance on the first two Flames’ goals, both of which were tap-ins to open sides of the net. He might have done better on Curtis Glencross’s power-play tip from close in.

Will Peter Budaj get the call to salvage some Alberta points on Thursday night?

Habs losing streak in Calgary extends to seven, by Dave Stubbs

MacDonald makes 33 saves for Flames in victory, montrealgazette.com

Rally comes up short, Canadiens.com

Rookie Monahan scores again for Flames, Calgary Herald

Young Flames finally hold a lead, Calgary Herald

Parros almost symptom free, by Dave Stubbs

Habs vs. Flames photo gallery, canadiens.com



  1. kalevine says:

    it’s true there is no reason to panic. But they do look and play exactly like the team that we saw in April and May last year. And that is no fun to watch.

    Re the coaching and possibly management, too much favoritism on the team. Bouillon and Desharnais can’t cut it, and should have ice time scaled back, but won’t because they are MT and MB’s darlings. Subban gets singled out by MT because of penalties taken because he is one of the only guys giving everything he’s got.

    Briere is NOT washed up, but he needs to play with bigger guys, which we don’t have

  2. The Dude says:

    Can’t wait for the Timo report ….the fantasy reporting here from others has been nothing but damaged Ego’s trying to save what left of their propagandist rose colored tainted opinions and the claims they know better”bullspit!”. Truth of the matter is we just got are asses handed to us by a mangled and destroyed team MANAGED BY JAY FEASTERS brain farts,lol. NOT GOOD!
    Gorges has to go,Bullion retire,Markov moved and I don’t know what to do about Diaz? And Price has to light-up AFTER THE GAME! As for the high paid veterans Plecs,Gionta,DD,Danny B…YOU GUY’S SUCK! Therrien…you sir are nothing more than a “YES MAN” AND WE SHOULD OF GOT ROY.

  3. oldtimerguy says:

    Let’s all be very honest, and civil, about nos glorieux..and I think MB already and wisely articulated this….and that is, we are just not there yet and have a ways to go. We were not as good as our record last year and we were not as bad as our record the year before. The good thing about that bad year was that we finished poorly enough to get galchenyuk with really not being as bad as it seemed….

    Going forward..

    1)PK signing. If I’m PK, I tell Meehan, I won’t sign for a penny less than 10 million. He has the habs over a barrel, and he really should use it. just my opinion..I still don’t like how therrien treated him. Pk was a good sport and said all the right things…but come on, did therrien really make PK such a better player? no. PK did that.

    2) Aging vets; This deadline will be the time to really move this team forward. Now I’m not rushing for the exits here after 3 games, but, lets be honest, we will need very skillful management of the cap over the next 2-3 years, with the young core cycling through hefty increases.. The facts are; gio will be 35 -5 million, pleks 32- 5 million, moen 32-1.85 million, briere 37-4million, markov 35 -5.75 million, bouillon 38-1.5 million , bourque 32-3.3 million, murray 34-1.5 million. That’s a total of about 28 million dollars. The simple equation is, we are not winning the cup in the next 2-3 yrs, and certainly not with this lineup, so what are we waiting for? All of these guys will be diminishing returns with each day that passes…and we haven’t even spoken of potential injuries yet…personally, I would rather see a real youth movement on this team…i.e. deal the vets, stockpile drafts, significantly increase cap space, draft higher and better(assuming we finish lower for 2 years after the vets are dealt) and have the cap space to sign some key FA’s in a year or 2 from now…until then, promote from within, let the core grow and play more minutes, and in 2 years from now, we will be much better off for it than if we keep on with this group of aging and frankly, ineffectual veterans.

  4. krob1000 says:

    Not sure why Bouillon being lumped into this mess…he played solidly I thought. Gorges hesitated every time he got the puck. Frankie’s skating is far from slow and he flattened that guy in the corner and I thought was one of the few guys moving the puck and/or his feet well. Many players took easy ways out and the puck pursuit was non existent at times…I mentioned last night there were several times where there was only one or two Habs on my television screen with the puck deep in Calgary’s end? Whenever they did have pursuit and a decent effort chances resulted. The game was not as bad as it seems…the positive thing is that when they skate they are good…the question then becomes…how do you get them to skate?

    There were so many times they just made lazy changes and figured “nah…I won’t bother chasing or skating”…it was pathetic from that standpoint. Even Bourque who has been a work horse of late and who I thought would be fired up in Calgary was lazy. Dd …a guy who made it on his hustle as an undersized player…lazy. PK for the first period and a half…lazy. There was way too much lazy play. I don’t think it is a talent issue as much as the wrong mix of players together and/or a lack of effort….at least that is fixable.

    Gorges drove me nuts with his hesitating several times with opportunities to move…Diaz did the same..he looks panicked out there…like a player who knows he is being nipped at by the kids and not reacting as we would hope. Tinordi making mistakes…to be expected.

    Fixable issues but a piss off to be sure…I can deal with losing because of a bad bounce, or being beat but last night the Habs beat themselves and it was painful to watch until they came to life in the third.

    • Mattyleg says:

      1) I agree, people dump on Bouillon because it’s easier than thinking.

      b) Could you please separate your posts with spaces? I want to read them, but those big chunks of text give me a headache!

      -edit- Thank you.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • krob1000 says:

        Spaces? done…anything for the one who provided me with the subway info…heading back on Thurs to see CLB game and will do the same thing as last time…Lionel Groulx..worked like a charm!

        • Mattyleg says:

          Great stuff. Can’t go wrong with ol’ Lionel Groulx.
          Only two stops away, and you get to get some early game buzz in the metro ride!
          Glad it worked out for ya!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You may be on to something there. Compared to Gorges and Diaz, Bouillon was great last night. I think the rest of your post is dead on as well with one exception. Bourque, outside of a couple shifts on opening night, was not good in game one.

      • krob1000 says:

        Bourque played well enough in game one…I was at that game and he skated hard for the whole game and worked at least. I was actually very surprised as ona couple of occasions he outskated the eniter play on the ice…he can fly when he wants to.

  5. Propwash says:

    I’m not worried too much about the team.



  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Given today appears to be a “the whole team is effed day” as displayed by most posts, perhaps a good day for me to take a break from HI/O.

    Have a good day folks, if we lose to Edmonton tonight, perhaps we start passing around the hat and see if we can’t also replace Molson……

    Yikes, team didn’t look great, but WTF were some of you expecting. It is still a young team in the process of rebuilding.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      This team is a work in progress Burly. 100% agree. Have a good day brother. Supposed to be 20 degrees today. Go hit the links if you can!

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Small_Town_Boy says:

        This team is a work in progress? For YEARS & YEARS & YEARS

        Dat’s wha me tinks

        • Kooch7800 says:

          What would you call them…a contender?

          They have a ton of good D coming up and some solid pieces in play but our Vets are not our best players at the moment so I would have them as a work in progress

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Mattyleg says:

      I think I’m with you on that one, Burly.
      Common sense has deserted even some of the best posters.

      Catch you all later.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Luke says:

      It’s a little early to be hitting the bar, Burly.
      Plus, you haven’t seen Timo’s game review yet…

    • Walmyr says:

      Please don’t go!!!…wait for Timo!!!

    • Jerman says:

      I am not all for this “the whole team is effed day” either but we can consider the Habs young (http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams 9th oldest team). I would just say the Habs have a lot of great prospects and aging vets that are not up to snuff to carry this team.

      As long as I see great progress from the young guns, this will be a good year in my eyes. It would be nice to see a changing of the guard at one point this season and opening the opportunity to trade some of the aging vets for more draft picks.

  7. Mattyleg says:


    I only read a couple of posts, but if the others are as bad as the ones I read, I’m glad I skipped them.

    There are a lot of foolish people in the world, I understand.

    But the ones who say “We’re two games into the season, I’m going to wait a bit to see how things pan out,” and then follow that up with ranting, raving, criticizing management, sending players to Russian gulags after one more game… an away game at that… these people really take the cake.

    We came out looking limp in the first period and a half, and it cost us. That’s all. Nobody needs to be traded, nobody needs to be fired, systems don’t need to be scrapped, management changes don’t need to be made.

    PK said it himself in his post-game interview: it started in practice; they didn’t have a good team practice and it carried over into the beginning of the game.

    That’s the way team sports work. Sometimes it doesn’t click.

    I play cricket. Last weekend our team messed around during warmup and had a great old laugh. This resulted in our team dropping 8 catches, and making 6 more fielding errors during the game.

    I do improv. Sometimes a group will have a killer show, while other times, for no apparent reason, they won’t be able to gel properly.

    Sh!t happens. It’s a long season, and if you’re going to sweat so damn hard after every loss (yes, there will be others!) then it’s going to seem longer for you.

    p.s. Someone needs to get Boone some uppers. He’s setting the tone for this sort of crap.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bill says:

      I admire the honesty it took for you to tell us that you play cricket and do improv 🙂

      Just kidding with you buddy. I agree with what you wrote. It was a bad game with a collective lack of success.

      I maintain that the defence, as constituted, is gonna give us fits all year.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m a Renaissance Man, I know…

        That’s fair enough, but on the other side of the coin, I really liked what I saw from Price last night; he was playing a much more agressive game, and wasn’t so afraid to get out of position to challenge the puck.

        Need to see more of that, and our D woes might not be so bad.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Luke says:

          Too bad a great effort from Price gets supported by a (mostly) team-wide stinker.

          That CP game and a decent team effort is a Habs win.
          That CP game and a good team game is a shut out.

    • Cal says:

      I hope it doesn’t sound like crickets when you do improv (in front of an audience, anyway!).

  8. frontenac1 says:

    1 game below. 500 after 3 games? Win 2 out of the next 3 and we are at 500 again after the Western swing. Get Emelin,Murray,and Parros back and Prust healthy and we are ok IMO. Keep the Faith amigos!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If Prust is injured he shouldn’t be playing at all. When he is hurt he can’t play the way he needs to be effective. Rest him up now and try to get him back. He obviously wasn’t 100% coming into this season.

      We need him to be 100% for the second half. I hope it isn’t a bad injury

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  9. mrhabby says:

    it is only 1 game but but …man why some players show up and others not. hard to believe guys like pleks , gionta , bourque, patchs, dd.. took the night off on the 1st road swing of the year.

    Subban..doing way to much… but i can’t really blame him.
    Price looked good..made 3-4 spectacular saves to keep game close..

    • Luke says:

      See, I thought PK played an awful game. I have a lot of blame to throw at the way he played last night. The entire thing, aside from a 15 minute portion in the end of the 2nd and beginning of the 3rd was a giant brain fart.

      I believe he was 20 feet deep in the O zone,on a brutal pinch, that began the fire drill that led to a goal.

      No. PK was awful. Yes, I know, he scored and skated the length of the ice twice.

      Price, Markov, and the Eller line = good.
      The rest = mediocre or worse. Most were worse.

      • mrhabby says:

        i think he just tried to do to much which put him out of position many times and made him self look bad..it was not great.

      • Kfourn says:

        I thought I might be the only one who thought that PK played badly last night. But I think he might have been frustrated, and when PK gets frustrated he tries to do it all on his own.

        One rush in particular comes to mind. I think it was in the third, PK circles the net, gains the zone, the opposing D man taps the puck easily away and the possession is turned over, with PK 30ft out of position and the play going the other way.

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • rljmartin says:

      Right now, with the exception of P.K. there are NO stars on this team. If they don’t ALL show up, ALL play defense every game then there will always be trouble.

  10. JO says:

    Line combos I see as the real problem. Our best players so far all on the same line. I played hockey for years not professional not beer league either and I learned from my coaches that if you zero in on the top line shut them down your chances is very good of winning.

    myself I would be zeroing in on the egg line and force other players to score. it’s early in the season and I’ve been hearing for the 2nd year in a row now Galchenyuk is gonna be our #1 center some day will tonight he would get his chance and this is how the lines would look win or lose.

    Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher (Future line)
    Bourque Eller Gionta
    Prust Plekanec Briere
    Moen Desharnais White/Bournival

    • mrhabby says:

      why split up a line that does all the scoring ?

      • JO says:

        mrhabby – it’s early in the season, players will be getting a little tired after 40 games or so they start slowing down plus the injury bug. The points you don’t get while fresh and not too many injuries will come back to haunt you for a playoff position.

        I think I explained it earlier. Shut down a teams best line and you’re chances are pretty good of beating them. it don’t always work sometimes scoring comes from the unexpected. spread out your good players makes it harder to defend against!!

    • rljmartin says:

      Those lines do not look bad…. MT should remember the definition of lunacy…. keep doing what you have always been doing and expect a different result

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Actually that’s the definition of insanity, but I agree.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  11. Habfan10912 says:

    There’s 242 people who believe Desharnais will tally 60 points? My goodness, he has a rather large family, eh?

  12. Habfan10912 says:

    Confession. When I heard that the final candidates for the GM position were between McGuire and Bergevin I was a little concerned about Molson’s process and/or judgement. How could McGuire be so high on his list, I thought.
    I convinced myself that it was some sort of a PR move to get more favorable press from the media. Could I have had it right to begin with?

    Loonie, (comeback to us) was the first to throw caution to those of us who too quickly jumped on the Bergevin love fest bus. A look at some of his biggest moves may give further support to Loonie’s warning.

    The signing of DD could be his Gomez moment.
    The Drewskie and Murray signings.
    The hiring of MT.
    The signing of Briere.

    I’m officially off the “I Love MB” bus. I’m really worried that this organization is NOT indeed headed in the right direction.

    Loonie, come back and save us!

    • rljmartin says:

      Almost forgot about Drewskie. He has not been given much of a chance to show what he’s got… Would not mind seeing him in the line-up. Would he be worse than Gorges right now?

    • mrhabby says:

      after 1 shortened seaon ur off the bus…lol.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Well, what a gloomy morning J. White bumping Moen off the puck, Moen indecisive with the puck, and the hole is dug. Gorges mishandles the puck too often. With partial control of the puck, he puts it back to a covered Tinordi. A forechecking Flame would have happily accepted knocking the puck behind the net for a scramble. Now that I read up on Feaster getting Shane O’Brien and David Jones from Colorado, and seeing Perron go to Edmonton for Paajarvi, MB is falling behind his peers in filling holes via impactful trades. White out, Prust on IR, Bournival and Leblanc in. Beaulieu in, Gorges out (“injury”).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • alfieturcotte says:

      How about the buiggest blunder of all — assumng Price was our QB and throwing (wasting) $6.5-$7MM at him?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Hi Jim,

      MB doesn’t get a full pass but we are only 3 games into an 82 game schedule. DD can be traded as his contract isn’t a huge cap hit and he does have some offensive ability if put with some wingers with size. The Drewskie signing is just depth but why it was a one way deal I guess they wanted him to be the 7th D man on the bench so we are not sitting someone like Tinordi Or Nate B when they could be playing in Hamilton and getting better. Murray was a D man with size and a mean streak who can shot block and clear the crease. The price tag was low and we can’t judge that one at the moment as he is injured.

      Briere….that one I don’t get. Morrow would have been a much better fit. Think about Max P -DD-Morrow on the same line. Looks much better than DD and Briere. MB said there was no big players available which isn’t true when morrow was out there and was to be had cheaper than Briere. They are both on the wrong side of their career and injury prone so why not go after the one who has less risk and is cheaper and a better fit

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • oldtimerguy says:

      The poll wasn’t fair at all…I mean, how many guys will get 60 pts? pleks? pacc? galchenyuk? eller?

      seems to me the poll was biased to throw another jab at dd.

  13. rljmartin says:

    Timo… Have a question for you. How did MT look in person last night? On TV he looked a lot like JM minus the notepad.

    Do we have a stereotype for coaches behind the Habs bench?

    How about French and sedated?

  14. HankHardball says:

    This is a contract year for PK.
    If he believes management isn’t willing to do whatever it takes to win, then PK won’t sign here.

    No players in the NHL want to play on a team that isn’t 100% dedicated to winning ahead of EVERYTHING else. Not even the best of the players who are part of the #1 priority.

    Good bye, PK.

  15. Kfourn says:

    WJC…It’s Pacioretty, not patriocety not Patreccetyy. Spell it with me now Pacioretty, Pacioretty, Pacioretty. If you’re going to spew your usual drivel at least have the courtesy to spell the name of our best forward correctly.

    As for the game last night, I don’t know if I can blame the defence as much as the defensive system they are playing. That was Peewee hockey at best. Leaving opposing forwards alone in the slot and two defensemen chasing the puck to the corner is not a system. Allowing opposing forwards to build up speed in the neutral zone and gain the blue line without being touched is a recipe for disaster.

    I don’t know if it was the team that just didn’t execute last night or if the defensive system is really just that bad, but something has to change and fast.

    I understand that PK was frustrated last night, but if you’re going to carry the puck up the ice, DON’T pass it to your teammate that’s waiting at the blueline and doesn’t have any speed entering the zone, take it in and take a shot, otherwise you’re just turning over possession for nothing. Either that or the forwards have to understand when PK is coming in with speed, circle back and generate the same speed as him coming into the neutral zone, that way when he does have the puck and passes it to the forward at least the forward has a head of steam to take it to the net.

    Price played solid last night, one sequence in particular got me excited. The play where he made a cross crease slide to make a save and was back up to his feet in 2.2 seconds to track the puck back at the blueline and gobble the puck in his pads on the slapshot. If he plays like that most nights, the habs will have a very good chance of winning.

    When the offence has a tough time getting going, why give the EGG line so little icetime? At least change the lines a little and insert some offensive power, i.e. Pacioretty on the top line.

    End of Rant

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • alfieturcotte says:

      PK is hands down the best player on the team. He can and should play 30 minutes/game.

      How excited were you about Price when he let in that 3rd (and winning) goal and looked so incredibly out of position?

      MB – time to trade Price and Markov to the Oilers.

      • Kfourn says:

        Are your serious? Price was fantastic last night. That 3rd goal that you’re talking about was a tip 6 ft in front of the net. If you’re seriously looking to trade Price after a performance like that then the only conclusion I can draw is that you’re still butthurt by the Halak trade.

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

        • alfieturcotte says:

          Like the butthurt part of your comments…

          Nah, just smarting about an average goalie making way too much that’s he’s worth and an over the hill defenseman who no longer has the speed to keep up.

          What are the combined salaries — $12MM?

    • JF says:

      Agree with you about the defensive system. I was concerned when Therrien said during the pre-season that the team would be using pretty much the same system as last year. It worked to start last season mainly because other teams were not prepared for it. But by the beginning of March, teams had adjusted and we were starting to give up more scoring chances and goals. Chris had some very good posts late last season, showing at what point our defence started to struggle; contrary to popular belief, it was well before Emelin went down.

      The system simply does not work. We can’t let the other team cruise through the neutral zone and enter our zone at speed, with all kinds of good looks at Price because most of our guys are in the corners trying to dig the puck out. The coaches must either modify this system or abandon it. Bergevin was a defenceman; he must see what’s wrong. Maybe he can talk to Therrien about it.

  16. rljmartin says:

    Last night the Habs looked like they still have not started the season. Maybe a back-to-back will help. Like “Welcome to the season”.
    Look forward to a better effort in Edmonton, if not we may regret the season really did start…

    Thanks for the welcome yesterday…. Girlfriend loved it but I did not anticipate your advice would be so costly!!!!
    As for TinFoil, you know it, gotta love a place where beer is cheaper than fruit juice.

  17. adamkennelly says:

    Here is our D for at least the first half of the year- take a good long at it and tell me what’s wrong….ok I’ll start..


    PK is awesome but alone in that category on this team.
    Markov is PP useful only – knees are too damaged – too slow and cannot deal with an aggressive forecheck.
    Diaz – is a great PP specialist as well but not really an NHL defenseman.
    Gorges is not really that good at anything.
    Bouillon is old and not that good.
    Tinordi is a rookie and a work in progress.

    so – this team is going to lose a lot.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Dead on.

      …Emelin is will be back in 6 weeks
      …Murray can’t be worse than Diaz/Boullion
      …Tinordi is going to get better.
      …PK can play 30 minutes a game.

      So if Montreal can get through the next 2 months without being 10 points out of a playoff spot, there is still some hope we can salvage the season.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

  18. Les-Habitants says:

    well, that was ugly.
    not much to take away, except there better be more ppl showing up for the full game.

  19. Only three people saying Price was OK, and Good.


    Pack it up pack it in, let me begin…….

    OK so they lost to a team who may finish the season in the crapper. No odds, but the key is to go into Edmonton and beat the snot out of the Oilers, and then go into Vancouver and milk a whale…….what da? WHo said that? Oli get off the keyboard…..wack smack, bang, bif, argggggggggggg

    Sorry about that guys………WE’RE DOOOOOOOOOMED 😆

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Price was not the issue last night, but I have to imagine after the first period he looked around at his defence in the dressing room, thinking WTF!!! A little help here would be nice boys!

      Hopefully last night can be chalked up to effort and tired legs, if we see a different team tonight I will be excited.

      BUt realistically I do worry about our defence, and I think many of us knew this was still another year to be patient as our youngsters develop.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Two of our youngsters Nathan B and Bournival will have their development slowed by watching games from the press box. I’d play these two immediately. Take your pick on who they replace among, White, Moen, Bourque, DD, Frankie B, Diaz.
        And I’d have some boys down on the farm ready to step in if the message gets lost on others.

      • Luke says:

        Price was terrific last night & Markov was the best defenseman.

        The Eller line was the only line that was a consistent threat, though they do get overwhelmed at times.

        The “little man syndrome” the team has really prevents line juggling though. I was thinking that they should try Max on the with Eller and Galchenyuk… but then you get DD, Briere and Gallagher together… yikes!

  20. jon514 says:

    Looking around the league, I wonder if there is an opportunity for some early trades. One of my favorite Rugged players is not performing in the early season the way he should:

    Wayne Simmonds: -3 and 0 points in 4gp.

    What would you give up for a RW with size + grit?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Sadly there was a big winger free agent that we could have had up to training camp for 1 million dollars……

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Bill says:

      Simmonds is under contract until 2019 at a very reasonable cap hit for what he does. This is dreaming.

      If the Flyers look to trade him, it’s for immediate help on the blueline. The asking price is Subban, and I wouldn’t give that up.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Kfourn says:

        Don’t you think that that is overvaluing Simmonds a little bit? I agree that he won’t come cheap, but no way they are expecting an elite defenseman in return.

        In any case I wouldn’t give up any of our defence at the moment unless it’s to get a better one in return. The Habs need all the help they can get on D right now.

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

        • Bill says:

          I think it is over-valuing Simmonds, yes, but players like him are seriously over-valued in the NHL right now.

          I guess what I mean to say is that with Simmonds’s ultra-friendly contract, they would not trade him unless it was a knock-out deal.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    The DaneGGer Line, was the only line to get off the bus last night. At least for most of the game.
    I love PK, but his discipline is lacking at key times during a game. I have seen that flaw in his game for 10 yrs now! In the last 10min. he takes 4 min. worth of undisciplined penalty mins. while the team is trying to tie up the game.
    I am sure Therrian will talk to him. As well as most of the team that were not even ready to compete last night.
    The attitude better be different for the rest of this road trip, or Bergevin will be on the phones trying to find some players wanting to play at the NHL level every night!!
    This team is not going to win them all for sure, but they at least have to compete together as a team. Last night it was hard to tell if our team had even met each other before.
    I know, I know, it’s early! But this is how Jacques Martin started the season, the year he was sent out of town!
    We only had 2 preseason victories and 1 reg. season win. so far!

    • Phil C says:

      The DaneGGer line, best suggestion yet!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I love PK subban but he also had a bad pinch on the first goal as well. He was at least trying out there.

      I agree about the DaneGGer line. They are the habs best line. We can’t win with one line clicking. The DD -Briere experiement has to end cause it isn’t working. Sit one of them put Bournival in the game

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Phil C says:

        Bad pinch, Moen and White running into each other in the neutral zone trying to cover, then Gorges playing the 2-on-1 like a house-league peewee player. Christ, you have one of the best goalies on the planet, I think you can leave him the shooter and take away the pass.

        • Bill says:

          … or if you can’t stop the pass, maybe at least grab the rebound? I’m not letting White and Moen off the hook for coasting on the back-check though. Pretty embarrassing that Subban beats both of them back when they had a fifty foot head start.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Moen and white sucked on that play pretty had as well. PK was just trying to do a little to much last night and could have backed off on that one which started the initial rush. Probably trying to pick up the play from the rest of the team (minus the Egg line) that forgot there was a game.

          PK was not the reason the habs lost last night. He was at least trying

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  22. New says:

    You know something? That Monahan looks good out there. Smart move taking him at 6th overall after Ottawa 67 horrid year. Just goes to show you that good players can be on bad teams.

    Something we should all keep in mind I suppose.

  23. punkster says:

    See how they do after 10 games…last season’s start they had 6W (one in OT) and 4L (one in a shoot out).

    Then we’ll see how they do after the next 10 games.

    Little cause for panic in the streets.


    • Phil C says:

      I agree it’s not good to panic. If your engine is running rough, maybe wait for a few days, maybe it was just bad fuel that will work it’s way through. Patience is in order.

      But what if you have a flat tire? Do you keep running on it, hoping it will re-inflate? In my mind, the D is not working, and it hasn’t been since last April. They need to make adjustments.

      Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results is a definition of insanity.

  24. jon514 says:

    I would love to see a line of

    Plek centering MaxPac and Bourque.

    and another line of

    Prust centering DD and Gio (where DD takes most of the faceoffs but then only plays wing).

    Let the Go Go Eller line play!

  25. Phil C says:

    RE: Diaz

    Diaz has become the whipping boy for the “small and soft label”. But is the criticism fair? The reality is that Diaz has been on the ice for only one goal against so far this season in three games. One goal out of eight, when every other defenseman has been on the ice for 3 goals against. He is the only defensemen to not be on the ice for a goal against during the PK despite playing over 3 mins/game.

    Now I’m not saying Diaz is the second coming of Doug Harvey, far from it. I am merely suggesting that Diaz has not been a part of the problem so far. On an underperforming D squad, he has been better than everyone not named Subban or Markov. He is just not physical which results in ridiculous prejudice against him. This is further magnified by the fact that they are too small and soft as a group.

    Read Bill’s post below, it sums it up nicely. Gorges, Bouillon, and Tinordi have not been good so far. Gorges was absolutely brutal on the first two goals. It’s like he had never played a 2-on-1 on his life on the first one, and the second was a series of bad decisions, each one worse than the next, that ended up with the puck in the back of the net.

    Diaz is a useful player on the bottom pairing. Not hugely offensive, but very good with his first pass which is very critical to team success in the NHL. He can play second pairing on both special teams, and can move up to top four when injuries dictate.

    They need Murray back to see what he’s got. I would also give Beaulieu a shot at this point. yes it’s early in the season, but there is also no reason to expect things to get better on D, so why wait? I would even consider giving Pateryn another shot. He looked really good at times, and really, really bad at times. If the frequency of “really bad” could be reduced, he could be ready. He biggest problem was slow decision-making which will only improve with experience.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      Le Mot Juste “predjudice” … people are focusing in the wrong area. The Habs didn’t create a good forecheck but let the Flames “enter with speed” without their transition game, the Habs are going to have trouble.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • Bill says:

      It is really hilarious how people focus on Diaz, when – as you point out – he has clearly not been the problem. Objectivity, however, has never been HIO’s strength.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  26. CF says:

    Wow the team looked small last night. I’m thinking, even though it’s very very early, MB is worried. Parros is healing, which is good. With Parros on the fourth line, someone can move up. Maybe Prust, to give one of the other three lines someone who can forecheck.

    Teams, like Calgary, must feel so relaxed playing against the Habs right now. There is absolutely nobody to fear out there. Interesting hearing Boone mention Cole, basically what we have is the exact same team as last year that got physically dominated against the Sens. But we added Briere.
    I feel a trade has to be looming, or at least MB should be trying. But….I would be shocked if anyone gave up anything to MB that would help. We have DD, Gio, Pleks, Gally (not because of heart–juht.st size), Diaz, Markov, Gorges, Briere, and last night Bourque, who basically never hit, and if they tried may get hurt themselves. That’s HALF of our forwards, and HALF of our D that can’t hit anyone or muscle anyone off the puck. You can’t expect our players to always have the quicker sticks, or better positioned sticks, LOL.
    Wayyyyy to undersized. DD is actually embarrassing to watch, he can’t even keep up to the speed of the game–proven by how many times he tries to slap an opposing player with one hand on his stick.

    Scary. Not sure what MB can do. DD will be a buyout. Markov has to go at the deadline, and I’m sad to say, possibly Gio to get something in return. We all love Gorges, but….really, he’s just too slight.

    Not to jump off the wagon, but if we can’t beat Calgary–even though they seemed to have found something–we’re in trouble.

    • smiley says:

      People are saying don’t panic after 3 games but on the schedule there are games that you should win. Calgary is one of them. So is Edmonton.
      On another note I hope Eller keeps up his hot streak. Have not had a Hab in the top 10 in scoring since Mats Naslund.
      I think Budaj gets the start tonight. Nothing against Price but he will get a rest tonight.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Is our team having another of those bad Western Road Swings?

    Could this be our future?


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  28. Sportfan says:

    If Prust is that hurt they should just give him a breather or two, call someone up who can do the dirty work and let Brandon heal a bit. However we are doing the western Canada road trip we never do well in this, people need to remember that.

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    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      You know most of the people on here have raised the stock of Prust way too high in my opinion. He stepped up for a very un-physical team last year and did well. However if you look at the whole picture he is just a little better version of Travis Moen. I like his play but to listen to the site here you’d think he was a super star….he just isn’t. He’s a good 3-4 line player at best who will drop the gloves and is quite good for his weight class. It never fails if he doesn’t produce and many games he doen’t he has to be hurt. Now ask yourself…would the Canadians play him if he were hurt so bad he couldn’t contribute ? Wouldn’t that jepordize his year as a player ? Think on it. He just isn’t playing well now and hasn’t all year. He wasn’t good last year near the end either…before the playoffs…before his rib injury. The team is in the middle of the pack if that and will struggle all year to make the playoffs.

      I hope they do but I have no expectationsof it happening…I’ll just enjoy whatever they can accomplish beyond regular season play.

      • Bill says:

        It’s obvious Prust is hurt, because if he weren’t, he’d be banging and fighting. He has not initiated fights, and has actually refused to drop his gloves twice: that is most un-Prust-like.

        Teams play injured players all the time.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

  29. Sportfan says:

    That picture says last night was a slap in the face.

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  30. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Give the team some time, once the games start picking up in pace, I am confident fans will be treated to MUCH better hockey. How can you not be excited from what the kids are doing?

    Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, those kids are dynamite! So surprised at Eller’s early jump in his game after the way things ended last year. Eller is 2nd in points, 2nd in goals (hey the Hertl kid is first because of a 4 goal night…how many more of those will he have…Jan Bulis anyone? – ok maybe this kid is better than Jan, but you get the point – it was a “game of his life”), and we have Galchenyuk 2nd in assists (tied for 3rd overall in points). Both have a +4 rating, despite the team losing 2 games out of 3. Only going to get better, I have no issues with how their ice time is being managed, because they ARE producing!

    Despite some slow starters, there are lots of positives. No need to panic. Tonight they will embarrass the Oilers with “Free Chicken Wings”.

    Budaj gets a shutout.


  31. zephyr says:

    why not play max with pleks & gio? leave the kid line be. of those guys, only pleks has been underwhelming so far but he’s in his prime & we know he can do it. have dd centre bourque & moen for the 3rd line with prust, bournival & ‘lawn-chair’ briere on the 4th. maybe sit briere & play white. there was a reason briere was bought out. maybe put bournival on the 3rd for moen. he’s always hustling because he’s hungry. i’d give big minutes to the top 2 lines who are hustling & playing to win. why not send briere to fla to play golf for the 1st 70 games of the season if he can’t get motivated to play?
    last yr was the 1st time in a long time the team didn’t play like a bunch of pampered millionaires. most of them are back to their old ways again. let bournival play. i’d rather see pateryn than diaz. don’t know about beaulieu yet.

  32. Habsrule1 says:

    Ok, I can’t take the guilt anymore. I’m reading all this blame being handed out for last night’s loss. PK, DD, Briere, White, Bourque, etc, etc, etc.

    I have to come clean. I didn’t put my jersey on until the 3rd period. Ya see, I usually watch the game downstairs (where my jersey was), either with my 4 year old son or by myself cause my wife prefers to switch back & forth with CSI and the like. The problem is, last night she wasn’t switching, so I sat down and watched with her, without going to get my jersey. It’s only when she went to bed at the start of the 3rd, that I went downstairs and put the jersey on.

    Now, you don’t need to tell me that the intensity level for the Habs sky-rocketed once I did that.

    Unfortunately it was too late. We all know had I had the jersey on from the drop of the puck, the Habs take this game easily.

    I don’t know what to say. It won’t happen again.


    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  33. frankcasting says:

    What I saw last night was a team that needs to be rebuilt. The shrimps are a spent force: Gionta, DD, Briere, Cube, Diaz – they need to move on to retirement homes or Europe. Prust is chronically hurt, but he has a hot girlfriend, a stupid contract, so all is well for him. Parros is washed up. Markov wouldn’t win a foot race going forward with most NHL forwards skating backward. White and Moen would struggle to make the Panthers. There is no quick fix. Bergie needs to take these parts and turn them into something for the future, and he can’t just sit on his hands and wait. Let’s see what he’s made of.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  34. gumper says:

    Guys who played with passion last night: Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Subban, Price
    Guys who played with mild enthusiasm: Plekanec, Pacioretty, Bouillon, Markov, Tinordi, Briere
    Guys either MIA or completely ineffectual: Gionta, Borque, Diaz, White, Moen, Prust, Desharnais, Gorges

    My couple of points:
    1. When your entire fourth line plays without heart, you won’t win many hockey games.
    2. When your captain is floating, you won’t win many hockey games.
    3. When fewer than a quarter of your players actually look like they want to be there, you won’t win many hockey games.
    4. When your veterans, almost to a man, take the night off, you won’t win many hockey games.

    A few conclusions I’m reluctantly arriving at:

    1. Borque is inconsistent because his attitude is inconsistent. He will probably always be that way.
    2. Whatever heart Desharnais had, left when he got the three year contract. I don’t expect it to return anytime soon.
    3. The defence is woefully lacking and in need of a complete overhaul, not minor tinkering (Murray, Drewiske), therefore, we might as well bring on the youth movement and go for another high draft pick this year.

    And a final question. How can a team coached by a highly emotional coach so consistently start games without any emotion?

    Could be a long season.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  35. frontenac1 says:

    No reason to panic just yet amigos. Habs outshot Flames 35-25. Price played ok, forwards found a grove but man oh man,our D is soft. Emelin and Murray will help, but there is Zero nasty at the back end. If they can take 2 games out West,I’ll be happy.

    • gumper says:

      They found a grove alright, Front. I think it was Coconut Grove, since most of the team decided to take the night off;

      The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
      Mark Twain

    • Phil C says:

      Agree Front, they are close to being really good. But until the defense improves, they will continue to give up too many good scoring chances despite out-playing teams overall. A tweak on defense, get Emelin back, and things could turn around in a hurry.

  36. Dust says:

    My thoughts on the game
    I feel like i’ve said this after every game but you can’t play DD and Briere on the same line. It is so hard to watch. Watching that game last night I felt sorry for Max.
    EGG line played well again. Glad Eller scored again. Galchenyuk took like 5 shots. I hope he scores soon because i think when he does he will score a bunch.
    I have no problem with how Price played. I don’t blame him on any of the goals. I keep reading how price has to play at an elite level just for this team to make the playoffs. If that is true, than this team needs a lot of work. A god team, with good defense and forwards, should be able to make the playoffs with an average goalie. I believe Price is an above average goalie. I feel the goalie is an easy target to blame for a loss. This team needs help at Defense and Forwards. MB preaches balance. DD and Briere on the same line is just horrible balance!
    1 more thing. Subban really looked to me like the only player who really wanted to win last night. That 3rd period he tried everything he could to get the team going to tie it up. That penalty was stupid but i have to assume that was venting some frustration. I know i would have been frustrated if i was doing what Subban was in the 3rd and almost the rest of the team was giving a half ass effort

  37. otisfxu says:

    Can’t really expect much more from these guys – again, they will win there 35 games, (maybe) but not much more.

    No reason for White to be anywhere near an NHL dressing room and in uniform.
    Pacs will never be this big “power” forward playing with a couple of smurfs. I’ll allow him that excuse – but still not really a Pacs fan.

    PK is so above the rest of this team in talent – unbelievable skater.
    MB better start surrounding him with some talent or PK B Gone.

    Maybe they can show the Oiler Kids a thing or two tonite,,,but not counting on it.

  38. Bob_Sacamano says:

    I really don´t want to criticise certain players because what clearly hurts this team most is horrible coaching. Subban plays just over 22 minutes while Markov gets more than 27? That´s just insane.

    We are also the only team in the NHL that gets worse when their best winger and scorer comes back because our head coach wastes him with our two worst forwards.

    Last season Therrien sent a 23-year-old danish player to the pressbox after just one bad game. If he had any balls he would do the same with either Briere or Desharnais now. Of course he won´t.

    Play Pacioretty with Plekanec and Gionta, keep the EGG line intact, play Moen-Bournival-White on the fourth line and either Desharnais or Briere at centre between Prust and Bourque on the third.

    • wjc says:

      Brier and D.D. have to find there games not learn there games….big difference.

      Maybe if Suban didn’t take bone head penalties in last minutes of game they could have tied it up and Subban would have had more ice time and Markov a little less. Maybe if Georges doesn’t get hurt the ice time is less for Markov…..but you know this.

      You have to balance out lines to be effective and a threat….it takes time for a line to jell sometimes, changing things up all the time does not work unless you have a lot of super stars.


      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Briere is finished and Desharnais just not good enough. Playing both of them hurts this team.

        When Subban took his penalty he already should have played 26 or 27 minutes and not 22.

  39. JF says:

    With the injuries we have, this is basically the same team that got dismantled by the Senators in the playoffs. The only difference is Brière for Ryder. The defence was a mess then, it’s a mess now. Price is playing a lot better, which is one bright spot. The other is that Eller has returned from injury stronger and more dominant than ever. When you factor in that the coaches don’t seem to be able to get the team ready to start the game, you get what we’re seeing. A team that is on their heels through most of the first period and down quickly by at least a goal.

  40. Marc10 says:

    Bill is spot on about his analysis of the D. We of course had the No2 D and gave him away in a brutal trade. We’ll be looking for that guy for a while yet.

    Beaulieu will hopefully walk into the No3 spot, but that’s at least a full season away. Tinordi and Emelin (if we’re able to resign him) should be around for a while.

    What you do with Markov is a question mark. He could still prove useful on a big home town discount provided he can keep up. Otherwise it looks like you’ll need to find a UFA.

    The forward pack is not strong enough. We know that. Depending on how this season unfolds, I’d expect at least two small guys up front (not named Brendan Gallagher) to be sent on their way. They’ll be replaced with bigger, meaner and faster.

    I’ve been a DD fan for a while, but I just don’t see him playing on the same line as Briere. I also don’t see him fitting in anywhere else on the roster. Ron Fournier made a bold suggestion to send him upstairs for a game while you move Briere to center and slot in Bournival on the wing. That’s a more dynamic line. You can’t afford another outing like that on this trip. It could get ugly fast.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Just to lend some perspective; if we didn’t trade away Mcdonagh (and yes it was an awful trade), and he played 80 % as well for us as he has for NY, we likely don’t finish 3 worst and get Galchenyuk.

      Just saying, everything can have a silver lining.

      • Marc10 says:

        Good point. I do prefer Chucky over McDonaugh, but a D that plays 27 minutes of solid hockey is huge.

        That said… we still need to fill that hole. You’re not going to do that via the UFA route in Montreal so Timmins better pull another rabbit in the not too distant future. Maybe that’s why the Habs were trying so hard to land that kid on D from the Q that the Flyers eventually picked up. He would have been that guy.

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          Agreed. Right now, as I see it…

          Subban ?
          Markov – Tinordi
          Gorges – Bouillion

          Once Emelin returns we should be allright, especially with the crop of d we have coming up the system. But the short term is going to take some work.

    • Bill says:

      Yeah, Gomez may be gone, but the consequences of that trade linger. Last year Ryan McDonagh was number three in the NHL in even strength minutes played. He’d fill a big hole.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I’d rather have Galchenyuk right now than McDonough, but I can see a lot of people here disagreeing…and they wouldn’t be wrong.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • wjc says:

        Open your ears Bill, Mcdongh in the line up might have caused Montreal to make the playoffs……you could have kissed Galchenuk good buy.

        Things have a way of evening up…..lose one way gain another. Galchenuk was a 3rd pick…..any higher in the standings he is lost. So let the Gomez thing go…….it is not going to change….really it is what it is.


  41. jamman says:

    I dunno about great. Good? Yes. Two goals on five shots isnt great to start the first

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      U did see the 1st two goals right?

      Who are U blaming for those?

      Dat’s wha me tinks

    • wjc says:

      This is one thing that bugs me. The two goals on 5 shots or whatever.

      Jim Bouton said it best (author of ball four) . He said “you could make the perfect pitch and it gets hit for a home run…..does that make it a bad pitch”

      Same with hockey guy could have a perfect shot on his first shot, does that make the goaltender at fault.

      Another shot could be a deflected slap shop off the post right to the shooter….is that the goaltenders fault. So you could have 5 shots and 2 goals because of great play or bad breaks.

      So the number of shots is irrelevant sometimes it is the opportunity, or the player making a one in a million shot that causes the goal.

      So counting shots could be misleading and a lot of the time is is.


  42. wjc says:

    I figured the Canadiens to lose 30 plus games this season, about average for a playoff team.

    It there are no room for loses, is that realistic?

    Do teams expect to win every night, I guess they should. But is it realistic?

    If you are going to react with shock and outrage at every loss, that could be hard on your well being.

    To expect to win every game is good, but you have to know that is not going to happen.

    If a couple of chances go in early on the game changes in Montreal’s favor, but, alas it didn’t. Markov’s chance comes to mind…..didn’t happen…….shrug….what are you going to do.

    Learn from the loss, perhaps Bourque was a little distracted going back to Calgary. Tinordi is learning under fire. Subban should not have brain cramps and cross check a guy 4 times in last stages of a game in which his offence and skating could have tied the game up.

    Boulion did his best, but he is not Subban. He should and he knows he is should be 3rd pairing with a rookie (Tinordi)

    Just a loss, there should be almost another 30 coming and that is average for the NHL. Try to keep your heads up and realize….such is life.


  43. Habfan10912 says:

    Under the giving credit where credit is do, Price was great last night, He made some HUGE saves.

  44. JohnBellyful says:

    1-2 to start the season? Meh. I’m not worried.
    But if the team loses tonight in Edmonton, we fans need to start thinking drastic measures before all the beer pours out from the fallen bottle, and our heady hopes of a playoff appearance float away in a sudsy stream of disappointment.
    So what can we fans do to get the Habs back on track? The usual stuff in such circumstances: petitions, boycotts, letters to the editor, publicity stunts (eg, self-immolation), surgical drone attacks (the U.S. military currently has a sale on, something of a revenue producer for the cash-strapped government; let me hasten to add, the drones would only be used to demolish other team’s dressing rooms when unoccupied, relying, of course, on local intelligence as to the timing), picket lines, and icy stares directed at Canadiens out in public.
    Let’s say we meet here tonight after the game if the team loses, to work out a plan before Saturday’s match.
    Did I mention torches?

    • wjc says:

      So is the ‘beer bottle’ half empty or half full.

      A threat of mass suicide has been tried and hunger strikes have a limited effect. People may point and stare and then laugh and fail to figure out the seriousness of losing.

      Should you hang a dummy in a Montreal sweater in effigy.

      These are tried and true methods to get attention to your cause, but a rally, where you can get thousands to march on the Bell center might indicate to the players ‘YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.’


  45. shootdapuck says:

    How much baggage or ceremonial roster spots aka deadwood can the Habs support?
    Would any other NHL team retain roster spots to appease the media and provide sound bites?
    How long will MB wait for players (plural) to regain playing success they enjoyed more than two years ago before actually making moves?
    When will MT adhere to his own philosophy and actually dole out icetime/PP time based on performance not PC?
    It appears the inmates are running the asylum AGAIN and MT has morphed into a bilingual Randy Cunnyworth more concerned with his own popularity than doing his job and making needed hard decisions wrt his lineup.

    The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

    “On peut play cette game tres simplement”
    “Le game est tous de hard work”
    ” I have a pet peeve”

    • Habsrule1 says:

      3 games in is a very small sample size after a great season last year, but I agree.
      To play Devil’s advocate though, MT NEEDS to get everyone going. He’s probably doing what he thinks is right to get the other lines rolling. If he suddenly drops ice time, he may worry that will not help players get out of their ruts. I’m not defending him. I’m just trying to see things from his point of view. He does need to make adjustments, but I’m sure he’s discussing things with both MB and his staff and I’m hoping they have a plan.

      As for your PJ Stock quotes, I’m not sure if you’re insulting him based on the quotes themselves or because he’s doing his best to speak French and having difficulty….?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • shootdapuck says:

        Stock, just the verbal diarrhea that spews forth daily hourly or every time his lips are moving!
        Luckily HNIC is in a contract year and odds are they don’t have the finances to compete for a new deal.
        Best thing that could happen dumping Stock, Healey, Cole, Cherry and smarmy MacLean! The only keeper in the entire group is Friedman!

        The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

        “On peut play cette game tres simplement”
        “Le game est tous de hard work”
        ” I have a pet peeve”

    • wjc says:

      Thank you…..thank you…..I had no idea, the depth of the problem.

      Appeasing the media…..sound bites, this is deeper then I realized.

      Inmates running the asylum….Bergevin has become the new Gautier. Bergevin is facing this and Gautier is off winning ‘Stanley cups’.

      Some people were wondering why Lecavalier would refuse to play in Montreal, I think I might have stumbled on to the answer.

      Lets make some moves…….moves, moves, moves…….make some moves…..let the bidding begin….no one is safe….what do I get for a Subban, a Patriocetty …..no offer will be refused….step right up.

      Thank you …..thank you for your clear headed assessments.


      • shootdapuck says:

        Who said moves have to be “moving out of town”?

        Why not pressbox time, worked for Eller and Gallagher recently!

        Thank you for your shallow analysis!

        The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

        “On peut play cette game tres simplement”
        “Le game est tous de hard work”
        ” I have a pet peeve”

      • Jim Edson says:

        Wow, another member of the HIO Vigilantes has surfaced.

        Must have missed the memo announcing the appointment!

        Its opinions and everyone has one its allowed!

        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  46. habs1992 says:

    How is being a GM that hard.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  47. Walmyr says:

    Hello guys…
    I didn’t have the opportunity to watch the game last night…I only took a look on the “greatest moments”…
    And I’m reading what you guys felt about the game…

    So…We have time to bring Pateryn for tonights game, right???!!!
    For now, seems to fit better then Beaulieu…

  48. Laramy87 says:

    Dont win if you only play one period of hockey. In the 3rd the Flames could not keep up with the Habs. Games are 60 minutes not 20.
    This is the way the Habs played last year and won so many games.
    I mean 3 games into an 82 game season lets not get crazy yet. But I kept saying the same thing about the Blue Jays and how did that turn out.

  49. zephyr says:

    geez. what a stinker. down 3-0. u could tell who was playing to win: subban, galchenyuk, eller, gallagher, gionta, markov & max. lots of our guys watching calgary go get the puck. calgary was making huge cross-ice passes with ease to move out of their zone. briere was a joke like he was in the first 2 games. he was the worst guy on the ice. I hate seeing him & dd on the same line. poor max trying to compete with 2 barbie dolls on his line. what the heck is mt thinking?

  50. Small_Town_Boy says:

    These players need to go. Habs management must be Blind!

    Briere – Awful … Never should have been here in the first place. He snubbed us in his prime!

    Desharnais – Useless … Never should have gotten that big contract till he put up two good seasons in a row not just one.

    Plekanec – Useless … never been the same since his baby was born

    Gionta – Can’t cut the mustard anymore .

    Bouillon – Too old & too small on D.

    Diaz – Just sucks.

    Gorges – Can’t shoot. Can’t move anyone from the net.

    Markov – Lost his step & is a liability on the ice.

    On a side note – PK had a wide open net last night about 30 feet out. He took a massive slap shot. WTF did he do that? All he had to do was take a nice snap shot. PK has ONE MOVE and that is the massive wind up slap shot and every teams knows that ….

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You were doing so well until you got to the “PK has one move”. Sigh.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        If you actually saw the PK blast away, there was no time to stop the puck and take a snap shot as you suggest.
        The opening would have closed quickly.
        As for calling Plex useless, I’ll leave it at that and stay polite…

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Having Plekanec on this list makes it a bit less credible. I would not be heartbroken if the rest were gone. your comments on PK are a bit ridiculous, but you probably just need to watch a few more games.

      All that said, I will reserve judgment until the 12 game mark, but I’m dissapointed with a few players after 3 games.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Ton says:

      ok lets get real……..u can’t get rid of them all………remember some players make other players look bad………..I say Diaz Gorges Markov dd have good trade value………go for it and start breaking in the youngsters but you will never get it done all at once. I think Briere is a good hockey player but needs to be in the feeding lanes…..center! with good players………lets get real patch and dd are not good corner players…….cant cycle!

  51. fun police says:

    “It’s pretty simple; you perform well you get ice time. You don’t perform as well and your ice time goes down.” – Therrien on Saturday

    obviously it isn’t something that therrien himself believes. going into the game, the kid line had 5 of the 7 goals scored by the habs. How are they rewarded, third line minutes. can you really be worried about icetime management for a line whose oldest player is 24, two games into the season.

    therrien is morphing into carbonneau, a peewee coach who cannot make in game adjustments and rolls four lines. when moen and white were on the ice with 14 minutes left in the third, down by two goals, therrien jumped the shark.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      THANK YOU! The blame starts there. And I gotta tell you I’m really worried about Bergevin too. This DD contract was a Gomez moment and even if you give him a mulligan for that, what the heck was he thinking when he spent 4 million for Briere?

      worried Jim

  52. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! This is not good. Once again this team was not ready to play last night. Some of the comments we’re hearing this morning concern me but its what I’m seeing on the ice that bothers me the most.

    I am starting to doubt MT and his ability to adjust to this teams talent and effort. I had hopes that the organization under Bergivin would become a “reward performance” organization. It’s become anything but thus far.

    One of our most productive players in the preseason has yet to see any ice. DD continues to be given top 6 minutes despite his play looking more like a career AHL. How in the world can you explain that our best player, Eller has less ice time then the following list of non productive forwards:
    DD, Briere, Gionta, Pleks.

    And our stellar defensive corps where Nathan B can’t crack the line up sees a 20+ minute night from Frankie B. Look, I love players like Frankie B but his time has past. He can’t play defence at this level anymore and to play him 21 minutes plus is just sheer nonsense. For cripes sake he played only 30 seconds less then PK.

    There were several people here concerned when MT was hired. You can now add another to that list. The players need to be better? Yep. But it starts with the coach. He’s been awful.

    • mksness says:

      the whole idea of playing PK 30 minutes a game will eventually wear him down. Nathan B is not ready for the NHL. not at those minutes. the all mighty tinordi is still adjusting, adding another rookie, while i wouldn’t against it will require a high level of patience

      last night the 4th line got caught on 2 bad sequences and there might have been a PK pinch that resulted in a goal against.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        We spent minutes on end during the first two periods chasing the puck in our zone. The team can’t get the puck out of there own end unless a forward or PK carry it out.
        PK played 21 minutes last night. Frankie B played 20.3. There is not a coach in this league that would be giving out minutes that way.

        • mksness says:

          PK did have one hell of a 3rd period. i know some people might be ticked at the penalties. although the first one was a bs call and the second well, guilty but they didn’t lose the game because subban took the penalties.

          i would max PK’s ice time at 25minutes and only give him more if we were on the PP more for that specific game. it’s a long season and ice time has to be managed; which unfortunately leads to some other players getting more ice time than they kinda deserve

      • Habsrule1 says:

        PK can play 30 minutes every game this year and will not wear down. He’s 24 years old and in great shape. Much older players play minutes like that with no issues.

        The problem is DD & Briere seem asleep. Sure, we can point at the 4th line too, but they are not expected to be diference makers.

        It’s early and this is a pretty good team. Let’s see how the rest of this road trip plays out. I’d be very happy with 2 wins out of 4 at this point, but 3 is still very possible.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Bill says:

          I agree that other dmen play more minutes than Subban without breaking down, but do they play like PK? He’s giving it everything he’s got every shift. A lot of hard skating, lot of sudden stops and explosive acceleration.

          The thirty-minute defenceman is a bit of a myth anyway. A lot of people are under the impression that Chara plays 30 minutes a game, but last season he averaged just under 25 minutes per game. He was 15th in the NHL for ATOI per game actually.

          Number one was Ryan Suter, who averaged 27:16 per game. Right now, Subban is averaging a little over 25 minutes per game. I think that is right on for somebody who plays as hard as he does. And I think he’s only capable of playing that much with his energy expenditure because he’s in incredible shape.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Cal says:

      Hey Jim,
      MT needs to adjust a lot quicker, doesn’t he? The razor he walks is adding youth’s minutes while decreasing vets’ minutes and not losing the room. I’d rather he coaches to win games. He’s acting as if he’s handcuffed. Or isn’t that good a coach.

  53. Bill says:

    I expected the Habs to struggle defensively. I wasn’t expecting them to look quite so bad as a whole team.

    The defence, of course, is very bad. I remember in the pre-season someone here calling the corps “well above average” (attempting to blame Price) but I think last night’s performance will have opened some eyes.

    You can blame injuries if you want. Sure, Emelin, Murray, Drewiske, and now Gorges are injured. But Emelin’s is the only significant absence, sad to say. Murray and Drewiske are bubble-players, and Gorges is a 5-6 guy with a 1-2 heart.

    Even the absence of Emelin shouldn’t be devastating. He’s a physical second-pairing guy and should really be replaceable.

    No, this is one terrible d-corps. In the pre-season I estimated it was lower-third of the league, and it’s looking like I might have been too kind with that estimation.

    This is a team with one top-two guy (Subban) and one top-four guy (Markov).

    Josh Gorges must have been born under one hell of a good sign. He has borderline NHL skills and makes almost four million dollars a year. If you have ever suspected that “heart” is an overrated quality, he’s exhibit A.

    Raphael Diaz needs to be on the third pairing, playing easy ES minutes, with second-unit PP time. He cannot play hard ES on the top four effectively. I think Therrien knows this but has no other options.

    Jarred Tinordi is real big. I think he’ll be a good defensive dman at some point. But right now he’s getting OTJ and it’s not always pretty. He’s fine on the third-pairing playing limited ES minutes, but expect more of those Baertschi-Monahan moments if he’s not out there with an amazing partner.

    Francis Bouillon is a great guy. I think he’d be a great fit with our defence. Like, as the coach.

    Here’s the defence, if we were being honest:

    _________ Subban
    Markov __________
    Tinordi Diaz

    When Emelin comes back he can partner back up with Markov, but we’re still short 25 quality minutes of D.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • habs1992 says:

      Subban is a number 1, Emelin is a number 3 at most more 4 and I really think Markov at best is a 4 more 5 at this stage of his career, so that leads us with needing a number 1-2 and a solid 3. This is a huge hold for the D.

      I support Carey Price
      “Habs Insider”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I can’t disagree with anything you said in this post. The only thing I will say about Murray is we haven’t seen him at all. This is not to say he will be a 2nd pairing savior.

      But yah our defence is very scary…. Add in a team whose forwards weren’t helping much and it gets worse. Prust playing injured isn’t helping this team either. Play Bournival and let him get healthy.

      • Bill says:

        A Prust who can’t play physically is not helpful. Can’t see why he’s on the ice if he’s this banged up. You’re right, let him heal up. And rewrite his contract so he can’t fight in the pre-season.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • mksness says:

      forwards aren’t back checking either. price was average last night. on the first goal you have a bad rebound that has to be kicked out. second goal no chance. 3rd goal was a screen, but you have to cover the 5hole; had price made that save no one would even call it a great save.

      i still don’t think the D is horrible. tinordi just needs to build up a bit of speed because he does look a lill slow

      • Bill says:

        By and large, the forwards simply can’t back-check effectively. It’s one area where the size thing is actually a real problem. Funny thing is, it was the bigger, stronger fourth line that looked laziest about it, especially on the first goal. White was actually coasting before the tap in.

        Have to disagree about the goals. First goal: across the slot pass that Price read nicely, and he made a really good save. Rebounds happen, and where was the coverage on Monahan? How is he alone there? He looked like a duffer making a six-inch putt with all the time in the world. Third goal, Glencross screened him and also deflected the shot. When a puck changes direction that fast from one foot in front of you … it’s just a question of luck.

        I’m not gonna blame defence for Glencross: that was a power-play. The first two goals should not have happened and were all about lousy team D. But you’re right, forwards are not helping.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • mksness says:

          i expect more from price. i’ll agree that on the first goal there should have been some coverage but it was a bad rebound as well. 3rd goal can’t go in. if it deflects top corner, then fine. but low shots that get tipped at the 5hole can’t go in.

          i know some people are saying this new goalie coach is going to elevate price to the next level. However, last i checked the goalie coach didn’t come with kieth and seabrook. Price has to be more consistent for this team to win. i thought last night even on some of the other shots he looked shaky.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I cannot believe you are even speaking of the 3rd goal. My educated guess is that almost every goalie in the world lets that in. The deflection and change of direction was too quick for him to simply “cover the 5hole”. I suggest you watch the replay a couple times.

            The other 2 goals were nice plays by the flames combined with sloppy defense. I agree somewhat with the rebound thing, but sometimes rebounds cannot be helped, depending on where the shot is taken from and at what angle it hits the goalie.

            That said, Price played ok…didn’t have to be great, but didn’t have much chance on any of the goals.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • mksness says:

            the 3rd goal has to be stopped. we need price to step in and make a difference in the games in which it results in points. not well he played well/great but we lost again kinda thing.

            i’m not putting the loss on price. the team stunk for 40 minutes last night if not more. i’m just critical of our elite players. i don’y think we should expect good from price, we should be expecting great

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      You underrate Gorges.
      He’s ok in a top 4 role for even strength with Subban, and his PK experience would be hard to fill.

      Would like to see Murray/Tinordi as a 3rd pair to take care of business.
      Diaz as 3rd pair/2nd unit PP?
      Would rather see a Gallchenyuk or Eller/Subban point men on the 1st unit PP then follow with Markov and whatever.

      • Bill says:

        I don’t know that I underrate Gorges. I have never felt that he is good defensively: he battles hard, but that’s all I see. What am I missing?

        I think Murray and Tinordi would be physically intimidating, but too slow together. Tinordi has top-four upside, so I’m waiting for that, but it’s not this year.

        Diaz, yes, exactly. He should play about ten ES minutes per game, ideally against low-quality competition.

        Hey, Briere has been used on the point in the past. What about him? He needs to provide something useful, and he’s not contributing much at the moment. He would certainly be an improvement over Bouillon there.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Then why not give Nathan B a shot? He’s every bit as talented as anyone on the team not named PK.

    • Cal says:

      It’s going to be a long year. Let’s hope the young guys tear it up and give us something to cheer about.

    • Phil C says:

      I think this assessment is bang on. Emelin will have a big impact when he is back as he will ultimately improve all three pairings. They still need one more guy. Price will never have elite stats with this group in front of him.

    • rhino514 says:

      Your summary is pretty on the ball, but it actually proves another point.
      Yes, subban is a GOOD /actually GREAT) first pairing guy.
      Yes, Markov is at least ok on the second pairing (if we choose to accept that he is substantially worse defensively than he used to be, which may or may not be true)
      Yes, Gorges is at least a great third pairing guy (if we choose to accept his last season as his real value and not all the seasons before on which basis he was signed to his new contract, again, highly debatable)
      These guys are established guys. We KNOW they are good at their particular type of style. And Diaz, Tinordi, Boullon are not deadbeats like Drewiske or Murray who can only play very limited minutes, either.
      So it just doesn´t add up.
      Furthermore you are correct when you say that emelin isn´t going to be savior; one gets the sense the team will still be inconsistent defensively when he comes back; he´s physical and he´s decent, but he is not GREAT.
      So, basically, this team based solely on its D, should not be giving up as many goals as it is giving up.
      It´s a below average defence; but it´s not a stinkeroo-worst of the league defence. And with Emelin i think it looks at least average on paper.
      It is not enough to justify the amount of goals going in.
      I firmly believe it is a TEAM PROBLEM. And i suspect (but cannot prove) that Therrien´s ability to coach defensively responsible hockey is nowhere near to, say, JM´s.
      No, no i am not for a second saying we should have Mr. Boring behind the bench ever again; I am just saying that the coach doesn´t seem to have the answers to get his team to play tight defensively.
      It is clearly more than the D; as i said the D right now is bad, but shouldn´t be THAT bad, looking at the personnel.

      There are two other contributing factors; the goalie or the forwards not aiding the D and missing their assignments.
      I for one, don´t think it´s the goalie. He has actually made some amazing saves, and the goals i have seen go in so far, not much could be done on any of them.

      I think MT wants is tryingt to have it both ways; let the boys play and be aggressive offensively, but try and be good defensively, which is pretty much impossible.

      I think it´s a coaching issue.

  54. Danno says:

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  55. HabinBurlington says:

    So since we tend to dissect all comments…. When PK said it started with practise yesterday, we do know Gionta wasn’t there.

    Perhaps the little Captain was missed? I don’t say this sarcastically, but it is a young team.

  56. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    Boullion on the power play?

  57. DipsyDoodler says:

    Please please please.

    H I/O – please enable some sort of ignore feature before Timo wakes up.

  58. PEIHabfan says:

    Subban tried too hard and got frustrated with non calls. That led to his complete brain cramp. I really like his effort and he looked like the best player by far last night. He just needs to mature and realize the refs are looking for an excuse to swing the game. He gave them one by even talking to them.
    Price made some great saves and once again kept this winnable for the Habs. We definitely had some poor performances but that is going to happen. I can’t wait to see our regular defence for sure with Murray and Drewiske eating up all that spare room teams are using to score on us. Lots of time to right the shift and lets chalk this one up to jet lag.

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    I look forward to seeing Beaulieu in the lineup, I didn’t think Gorges was playing that steady of a game prior to the injury.

    Wow was that team flat last night…..

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi burli

      It will be nice to see him, but setting up the pairings gets a little scary.
      Who becomes Subban’s Top 4 minute partner? Tinordi or Bouillon?
      Who takes Gorges PK time?
      How much gas does Markov have left after being forced to play an idiotic 27:43 including 10:36 in the 3rd period alone?
      (Tinordi played 4:37 in the 3rd period)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think we will see Markov with Tinordi, PK with Bouillon and Diaz with Beaulieu as 3rd Pairing

        Yikes do we need Emelin and even Murray back….

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          That’s what I mean about scary.
          The opposition usually puts out the physical energy line against the 3rd pairing – Diaz/Beaulieu in your example….and Edmonton has guys like Mike Brown and Luke Gazdic to fill that role

  60. JF says:

    That’s two games out of three the team hasn’t been ready to start the game.

  61. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting comment by Subban post game.
    When asked to explain the slow start to the game, a slightly frustrated Subban said….

    ” I think it started in practise yesterday. I don’t think we had a good practise as a team and it showed in the 1st period, myself included. We were going through the motions and it showed in the first part of the game.”

    It sounded like a guy that has something on his mind….

    At the 1:50 mark

    As for the late Subban cross check penalty, the Prongers of old, and Charas and Phaneufs of the world today, are having a great chuckle.

    Was it a penalty by the book?
    Of course it was…that is when the refs WANT to call the book.

    NEVER would the Prongers, Charas, or Phaneuf type of guys get a penalty called against them for some taps with 1:49 left in the game and their team behind 3-2.

    • Cal says:

      Hey Ronn. I think it was the 4th straight crosscheck that PK delivered to the Calgary player’s back that tore it for the ref. One or two shots, ok. But it was 4.
      Too bad though, because PK was the dominant Hab last night.
      The DD line and the 4th line didn’t do much offensively, and neither did the Pleks line.
      It was a tough night for Tinordi, Diaz and Gorges, but Markov with 27 minutes and PK with only 22 minutes is, to be blunt, stupid.
      Price’s night almost mirrored PK’s. Great saves and then one gets by. On the first period tap ins, Price had no chance. On the last one, Price was too deep in his crease on the point shot that was deflected through him. That’s four goals in 3 games allowed because he was too deep in his crease. Of course, his weakass D didn’t help much.
      No panic here; I know this will be a long, tough year. The Habs don’t have the horses yet.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi cal

        Not disputing the call, ….but those were taps and not anything close to vicious.
        Just saying that some others would be given a free pass in that type of game situation.

        As for Price, here was believing from the get-go that there was going to be some growing pains with new Coach Waite.
        Regardless of goals scored, do you see a high comfort level yet?

  62. jrs10069 says:

    Watched until PK’s penalty in the 3rd. Habs looked like crap and the game sucked.

    I think they should start handing out “awards” for the 3 worst players on the ice factoring in their ability. That would seperate the lazy and stupid from the old, slow, generally unskilled. Here is my shot at it..

    3 bores
    Bourque – Looked like his old lazy self, i suspect someone yelled at him before the game, strikes me as a sulker. “I’ll show you”
    White – Proved once again (for the 10th time in his last 10 games) that he’s a moron. With his skills, he has to be smart, he ain’t
    Briere – Hoping he’s a bore and not at the hight of his skills but he looks like he wants everyone else to do the work. “Hey, I need a tap-in goal guys”

    That leaves the non NHLers playing for our team.

    Bouillon – love him but he can’t cut it
    Diaz – never liked him, would make a great skating coach in europe
    DD – what can you say, he’s not NHL caliber no matter how hard he tries and how good he does on faceoffs


    Anyone want to make a trade?


    • habs1992 says:

      That leaves the non NHLers playing for our team.

      Bouillon – love him but he can’t cut it
      Diaz – never liked him, would make a great skating coach in europe
      DD – what can you say, he’s not NHL caliber no matter how hard he tries and how good he does on faceoffs


      I support Carey Price
      “Habs Insider”

  63. Maritime Ronn says:

    Not yet ready to jump on the Panic Bandwagon just yet.
    82 games this year – not 48.
    Stuff is going to happen.

    We all know this team is far from being serious Cup contender, yet it is still a team that has a chance to make the playoffs.

    Back in the last 82 game schedule of 2011/12, Ottawa finished in 8th place.
    What were their downs during that season?

    October: Start the year 1-5-0.
    November: Start the month 0-4-1.
    December: Start the month 1-3-2.
    Jan/Feb: Another streak of 0-6-1.
    March: In a 6 game stretch 1-3-2.

    Power Play does not score on 23 chances in a row spanning 6 consecutive games and goes 0 for 9 in 1 game alone.
    Karlsson plays in all those games.

    November: Power Play goes 0 for 11 in a 4 game run, then 0 for 16 in another 4 game stretch.


  64. EastCoastHab says:

    Read every day, rarely post.
    Can anyone tell me what has changed from the team we are putting on the ice this year to the team we put on the ice in the playoffs last season? Briere? Anything else?
    We have some real talent, but talent gets tarnished with all the holes in our lineup. I love the guys, each and every one of them but playing our defense with so many minutes, asking a rookie to step in and play A+ minutes is a recipe for disaster.
    I know it’s early but I am not feeling all warm and fuzzy on where the direction is going. Hope the big Emelin comes soon, if not we need to shake it up quick.
    Thanks for all the posts guys, love to read them all the time!

  65. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I was at the game — it was amazing, like nothing I’ve ever seen before, how the crowd went front being indifferent to Subban to booing him like crazy in the latter half if the third. Genuinely, never seen anything like it. And the reason? He started making rushes, going end-to-end, spins, cutting angles, spinning…too much? You might think so. But was every indication of a guy who was trying to put a team on his back. Then he gave that guy, whose name I haven’t a clue, about five cross checks. So what do you say? Blame PK? We wouldn’t have been in the game without him. But, I shit you not, that was the dumbest, most ridiculous penalty I’ve seen a guy take.

    Luckily it’s only game 3. But that’s the last chance I’ll get to see ’em till they come back next year. Wish I’d seen a better performance (not from PK, but the whole team). Damn it all anyway, eh?

  66. habsfanla says:

    So we lose our 3rd game by 1 goal. and the noose is being tied. There are bad points to work on but the game could have gone either way. Let’s look at the bigger picture. The kid line is scoring. The Briere line clicked in preseason. Hopefully they start scoring soon. If we lose all 4 games on this trip we still have 76 more to play. Get to the playoffs. What matters is what we do then. The Cup? #25? Not likeley but not impossible.

  67. savethepuck says:

    I am now watching 24 CH and watching the interview with LL and MB. I understand what MB is saying to him in this episode. He is telling him what he has to do to progress. I don’t think that is a bad thing. I still have faith in LL as a future Hab.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  68. JO says:

    when you look at the overall picture team for team. up front and on “D”the Habs maybe a touch better than Calgary but neither team can afford errors and that’s where the Habs got beat tonight!!

  69. savethepuck says:

    It is obvious Mr. Boone, that Carey would like those in front of him to help him a little more. To blame him in the least for the 3rd goal which was a deflection in front of the net, I don’t understand at all.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  70. My expectations of the team were low this season, so this loss isn’t a surprise. I find myself more and more cheering for Price rather than the team (that’s not good as a fan). I want to see him in a Team Canada jersey but at what expense? Anyways, I feel bad for the guys who went to the game tonight, and I’m not too eager about getting the Jets tickets next week (that’s sad). Remember Marc Bergevin’s philosophy? Build through the draft. Considering the odds on the first round success stories, the way to build through the draft is to tank….and I hate that and so will the fans.

    I’m tired, the end.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
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    Summit Member

    • habfanacrossthed says:

      It’s too bad you think like that Shane. My expectations are high for this team. I’ll tell you why, it all depends on one person MT. Coach Therrien has developed the young core wonderfully. Now it’s time to adjust. Yes it’s only three games in. Shake it up for Edmonton! The kid line is breaking out. However MT shelters them on the road tonight. 51 67 48 played more 5 on 5 and all the defensive zone starts. Break this line up and you’ll see the success of this team. 67 14 21 as the top line. Let Max, Tomas, and Brian gel together. Kid line as the second line and more defensive responsibilities. 49 48 17 as the third line. Let the youth play. Bournival with Briere and Bourque. Could B special. Lastly the fourth line against Edmonton. 8 51 53 Prust does seem hurt, put Davey to win faceoffs and chances with these two. This could be the blueprint for success. MT won’t go for it. It’s change. How long can he wait for Briere to produce with Davey. Defensively i have to say it. Diaz should be replaced with Murray/Drewiske/ or oh yes Emelin. Playing just under 20 minutes. Getting both of his shots blocked that he took all night. What is he even out there for?

      GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

      • I love where what you’re saying but I see it like this. The Habs last season beat up on the lower seeds, and when it came time for them to beat the higher seeds, they were average. I guess by the time this trip is over we’ll have a better idea but like I said I have low expectations. So every win is bonus, and every loss is expected. Makes the losing easier hehe 🙂

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
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        Summit Member

  71. The Jackal says:

    Well, hopefully this is not a panic button game for fans, but from the blog comments it feels like it was.
    It’s sad that people react so rashly, and the negativity is probably why this site is way less active than it was a year ago. The same old crowd pops in with their inane remarks about Price or how one particular game shows everything that is wrong.

    These comments are A) completely unsubstantiated and wrong, and B) annoying as hell. It’s as if people can’t understand that the team is restructuring and that every team in any sport ever can have bad games, players have bad games, teams have bad games, it happens all the time. Even championship teams pull stinkers and games where they get caught off guard.

    This game? It was a bad showing in the 2 periods, sure, it was bad, but not terrible, and we dominated the third. It’s not as if the team played it’s worst game ever or something like that. Stop jumping to conclusions about what a bad stretch means, it’s just a game, sometimes it’s just a bad streak, etc. It’s sport – there are millions of factors involved and you can’t count on teams to produce what they can on paper, game in game out.

    Stop freaking out when things go south, the MB/MT team has shown time and time again that they can bounce back and pick up their cojones and go balls deep, even in a losing effort. That’s what matters. The team has heart and it is improving every game, there is no reason at all to panic or to be pissed off at anyone on the team.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • deggy24 says:

      Thanks for telling us how to behave.

      Habs Win!

    • PrimeTime says:

      The Live Blog is a joke. Most of the cry babies you reference only post when the team is losing. Notice most didn’t post any of their drivel until the game was 3-0. Boone offers no insight, only the obvious. I learned awhile ago the blog is only a distraction when watching the game.

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      • Bill J says:

        Your closing sentence may be the reason the negative posters (who tend to participate in the live blog commentariat) are so negative.

        They’re simply too busy ripping Price, or Subban a new hole that they’re not actually watching the game to see the good plays.

        Watch the game people, when you’re reading your computer screen the odds of you watching the game drops exponentially.

        Go Habs Go!

  72. deggy24 says:

    I’m with the previous poster, last thread. Lets get Pateryn, Beeauliou (sic) in the game and Tinordi playing minutes with guys with upside instead of political partners. Bouillon, gorges 5 and 6 maybe 6 and 7 and we’ve got a metamorphosis eventually. Either of these guys play over 12 minutes a game and everyone else is at a disadvantage. Likewise with Diaz and Markova unless paired with guys better than eac other

    Habs Win!

  73. rogieshan says:

    Slight correction: Beaulieu already made his NHL debut last season with six games played.

  74. Sportfan says:

    I think we can beat Edmonton, I still believe we’ll get about 4+ points from this road trip.

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  75. First?

    Well, I’d be a bit more into celebrating this if I wasn’t so mad at the team for dogging it the first half of the game. Last year, they were the ones that came out and jumped on the other squad from the beginning. Not so much this year.

    Hopefully this trend is just a glitch that passes, or this might be a loooong season.


    • Marc10 says:

      I agree. They’re missing the jump that allowed them to surprise opponents last year.

      This isn’t a team that can come out flat, cruise for the first 50 minutes and then turn on the jets to win. The veterans are to blame. They’re ill prepared and getting schooled by the kids. Time to step it up and play the full 60.

      • 25Stanleycups says:

        Veterans ARE to blame. Namely GIONTA. Torn bicep surgeries in successive years are not enough to make me believe hes trying too hard. How likely is it our Captain justs walks, like our last Captain did.

        Miss you the last 5 years Koivu, Gionta was not even a lateral move, nevermind an improvement.

        • Bill J says:

          The captain will be traded this year, or they will let him walk.

          Signing Gio to another deal makes no logical sense, Collberg WILL be ready next year… No doubt about it, as will Bournival (as a permanent call up). Simply no room for Gio next year.

          At least that’s my hope.

          Go Habs Go!

    • 25Stanleycups says:

      With last season starting near the end of January, it had the earmarks of an anomaly more then a trend. This is a 7-12th place team. If Price is above average, the team will make the playoffs. If hes just average or less, well lets just say it wont matter.

      I kinda wish every season started after Football season. Would be alot more intense of a season, instead of 6 months just to see if you even make the postseason.

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