About last night …


Canadiens fans, let us draw solace on Sunday.
Not from the scriptures.
From the calendar.
For behold, it is April 14.
Were it April 28, loud would be the lamentations in Habland.
As it is, however, two weeks remain until the final game of the regular season – which the Canadiens will play in Toronto on April 27.
If they stink out the ACC again on that Saturday night … well, it will be time for some serious teeth-gnashing, nail-biting and panic button-pushing – especially if April 30 or May 1 is the date of Game 1 in a Montreal-Toronto playoff series.

So everyone chill out.

Mathieu Darche, on L’Antichambre, had a good description of what we saw at the ACC Saturday night: Humility Lesson 2.0.

Remember Feb. 9 at the Bell Centre? The Leafs won 6-0. The winning goal was scored 59 seconds into the game.

This time it took the Leafs almost two whole minutes to get on the board. With Francis Bouillon off for an accidental high-stick, a Canadiens penalty-kill that hadn’t surrendered a goal in seven games was torched within 18 seconds. Tyler Bozak completed a nifty passing play, and Carey Price had no chance on the goal.

The Canadiens’ goaltender was brutal, however, on goals by Leo Komarov and Jay McClement. The latter goal – the third on four Toronto shots – sent Price to the bench, an ignominy he had avoided in that early February loss.

David Drewiske’s goal briefly ignited hopes for a Canadiens comeback, but Dion Phaneuf scored on the first SoG Budaj faced.

Toronto defenceman Mark Fraser blocked three shots during the first period – two more than Price and Budaj combined.

It was that kind of a night.

It happens. You just wish it didn’t happen twice against Toronto in a truncated season.

And you wish it wouldn’t happen to Carey Price against a team the Canadiens might be facing in the first round of the playoffs. Or against James Reimer, who is lifetime 4-2 with two shutouts against the Canadiens.

Move over, Martin Brodeur. make way for James F. Reimer.

In his postgame remarks, Michel Therrien gave his goaltender a vote of confidence. Price has character, the coach said.

“I’m not concerned,” Therrien added. “He’s the kind of athlete who will bounce back.”

Price might have a shot at redemption in that April 27 game. The Eastern Conference standings will determine the significance of Game 48.

If the Canadiens are sitting fourth and the Leafs fifth, the game is a bona-fide playoff preview. And the pressure on Price will be enormous.

He is 11-11-1 against Toronto. Heading into a first-round series, Price has to prove he can beat the Leafs.

But if it’s a nothing game, maybe Budaj starts.

We’ve got two weeks to chew that over. The Canadiens followed that 6-0 loss to the Leafs with five straight wins, but this time they face a very tough schedule.

The game in Toronto was the first of five in eight nights. This is a physical test for the Canadiens, and Brandon Prust got banged-up in Toronto.

The Leafs lead the NHL in hits (and fights), and they laid 47 of them on the Canadiens. Every player in a blue jersey, except Phil Kessel, had a hit; and Ryan O’Byrne had SEVEN. That’s five more than Drewiske, the Canadiens late-season acquisition.

Vincent Damphpusse, on L’Antichambre, described the Canadiens’ effort as “tour croche”, which translates roughly as “f—ed up”. The former Habs captain knocked their lack of emotion, their tendency to give the Leafs odd-man rushes, their failure to be first on the puck.

But for all that, the Canadiens had a 13-5 shot advantage in the first period. With any kind of goaltending …

Down 4-1, however, it was all over but the crying. And the lacuna Damphousse highlighted were much in evidence. The Leafs had a 4-on-1 rush, for cryin’ out loud … and they didn’t score.

Contrast the s–it show in TO with Tampa Bay’s visit to Washington. Down 5-1 five minutes into the second period – as were the Canadiens – the Lightning outshot the Caps 32-14 over 40 minutes and scored four unanswered goals to send the game to overtime. Vincent Lecavalier took a slashing penalty in OT, opening the door for a Mike Green goal that ended it.

The last 40 minutes in Toronto weren’t quite that thrilling.

Maybe the Canadiens were complacent. Their win in Buffalo sewed up a playoff spot. And they didn’t know it while the game was on, but the Canadiens’ loss didn’t cost them first place in the Northeast, as Boston were on their way to a loss in Carolina.

Carolina had 17 shots in the first period, and Tuukka Rask stopped 16 of them. Justin Peters faced four Boston shots, the second of which beat him.


Go figure. 



  1. frontenac1 says:

    Looked kinda like the Habs last game vs the Flyers. Pushed around like little girls.Same outcome.

  2. Chris says:

    I find the whole reaction to Leafs games amusing. I turned the game off after the first…Montreal simply wasn’t there last night.

    Regarding Kadri’s hits on Eller and Gallagher, it was almost exactly the kind of thing that Subban does on a nightly basis. I’m not really worked up. I thought the Eller hit could have been boarding given where it happened, but Eller had no complaint and nobody was looking at the refs. This indicates to me that he knew Kadri was coming.

    Gallagher tried to catch the puck and didn’t. Had he caught it, that would have been a perfectly fair hit. Again, I think Kadri was running him and it could have been boarding (it ended up as interference) as well.

    Habs fans have got to grow a thicker skin. Subban has been very guilty of running people for the past couple of years, and Habs fans love it. If you love it when your own players do it, don’t bleat like sheep when it is done to you.

    As for the game, the loss is entirely on Price. He’ll recover, as will the team, but the body language on the whole team was just awful after that third goal. Everybody in the rink knew that Price had just given away two of the worst goals that you’re going to see from an NHL goaltender.

    Move on.

  3. Old Bald Bird says:

    Each of the three early goals is quite understandable on its own, even that very flukey second one. Stuff like that happens. It usually doesn’t happen three times quick times in succession, however. When it does happen, it’s a killer, but it’s no measuring stick game. Just very disappointing on a Saturday night.

    I have never thought that the team has the right mix to go all of the way although I have certainly had my hopes. Mostly, they are playing really well, and I am very happy about that, but I can’t see that they are a true contender, especially when the refs are doing their annual Swallow-the-Whistle schtick.

  4. HabFab says:

    Hab kids playing in Hamilton;

    Archambault – 6GP-0+0- (-2)
    Hudon – 5GP-1+1- (-1)
    Kristo – 5GP-0+3- (-2)
    Vail – 8GP-1+3- (+4)

  5. mrhabby says:

    iam not really concerned about the goal tending going forward..what really bugged me is that little kadri running eller , gally and no one doing anything about it..iam getting depressed thinking about it….

    • Strummer says:

      Again Kadri was doing his job. Why couldn’t the Habs forwards do theirs?
      Being first on the puck would have negated the scoring chance that led to the first goal. Being aggressive in our own zone could have prevented the second goal which bounced off of Deharnais I believe and the 3rd goal was a result of Beaulieu being soft on the back check.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • showey47 says:

      Gally challenged kadri he but wouldn’t drop the mits. I wonder if don cherry acknowledged this on coaches corner? He used to rag on PK for doing the same thing.

  6. habstrinifan says:

    Thanks UCE for the game recap. It was a very good read and detailed facets of the game which escaped commentary before.

    You mentioned White in your post. I dont think he played (I had blackout so didnt have full game coverage). And on the theme of White etc… you made no mention of the coaching preparation for this game(line-up etc) and what if any message was verbally delivered by coach once Price was pulled etc(should have been one if there wasnt). I think these areas are becoming more important NOW with the playoffs at hand, with injuries, and with the inevitable ‘levelling off’ of some players (Prust for instance) impact.

  7. showey47 says:

    Somebody made a post about price always folding under a national audience. This is the montreal canadiens,isn’t every habs game under a national audience?

  8. John Q Public says:

    Is the condensed schedule having an effect on the players ?
    I think so.

  9. topher5468 says:

    Just watched the Leaf post game remarks, I don’t Like Kadri or Bpzak. They’re both smug little turds. I want them in the Playoffs and to kick their arrogant butts.

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  10. piper says:

    This team needs a heart transplant before the playoffs start. Prusts fight should have fired them up but nothing. Since MB did SFA at the deadline they must get Blunden and White into that lineup. At least those guys will give an effort and push back against the likes of the leafs.

    • Cal says:

      Blunden can’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. White could have been used at the expense of Moen last night.
      Markov’s dinger off the post and Halpern’s open net whiff would at least have made the game a little closer.

      • piper says:

        I know Blunden can’t fight but he plays with some heart and throws some hits. Thats what they need to do. F–ing Kadri plays like hes seven feet tall against this team.

  11. Exit716 says:

    Can anyone who watched the game on CBC confirm whether Glenn Healy was suggesting that the Leafs should injure Habs players during the waning moments of the third period?

    • rmaclean says:

      Yes, he said something to the effect that sending them to the infirmary before meeting them in the playoffs was a good idea. Not very sportsman like was it?

    • city center says:

      Sounded that way to me. There’s a pretty high and explicit tolerance level on CBC for thuggery as a “legitimate” part of the game. Dare I say CBC may even be worse about it now than NESN. The fact that their main moderator Ron M. capitulates every week to CBC’s chief proponent of violence in hockey (praising Ott as a “beauty” last night) doesn’t inspire hope.

    • mrhabby says:

      i did not hear that.

    • Mavid says:

      yes he did say that..

  12. 24 Cups says:

    The last time a team let in four goals on five shots was back in 1990 when Pittsburgh played Quebec.

    Of even greater concern is the way that the laffs pushed and knocked the Habs around. Prust was the only guy who could hold his own.

    Over in the West, Detroit is now in 9th spot. Edmonton also lost last night and are once again a lottery pick candidate. If that should ever happen…..

    I’m too depressed to say anymore. At least the sun is back out here is Slowville as I prepare for The Masters. Anyone but Tiger will be fine by me.

    • ed says:

      I agree about Tiger.
      How can anyone cheer for that clown?
      I remember watching him win back to back National Amateur Championships, and feeling so good about rooting for his success – what a jerk he turned out to be!

  13. mrhabby says:

    if my memory is correct i have not complained about the habs play for many years last year was close and last night i did some bitchin..when you live in TO theres is nothing worse than listening to the laffs crap. That being said the sun has risen and appears to be a nice warm spring day.
    It will be interesting to see the bounce back the next few weeks and of course the last game of the year. Many posters have been asking for some more NAG. MB will address this over the summer and next year. if he did not want to use his 2nd round pics for more NAG at trade dead line so be it….he is the captain of the ship. MB is not stupid he knows what is needed.
    iam not looking forward to monday listening to some of my co-worker laffs fans.

  14. rhino514 says:

    Habs survived the game without an injury. That was a really, really good thing.
    Boston is reeling, thank G&d.
    For some reason, we aren´t playing as well as earlier in the year. Let´s hope the team gets back its swagger before the end of the year. The lack of depth on D is probably taking its toll. Diaz, Beaulieu, Drewiski, these guys will be the key to our playoff run. The first mention needs to not be rusty, the other two, or one of, need to not be liablities.
    The D is a definitely a question mark going into the playoffs.
    No problem with Price.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good morning Rhino. We have butted heads before as we dont generally see eye to eye on many things. But this is a very very good post.

      If you remove reference to other teams misfortune it would be perfect. I see too many fans here posting about how poorly other teams are doing to excuse our play of late.

      Your two lines which stand out. “we aren´t playing as well as earlier in the year” and “The D is a definitely a question mark going into the playoffs”.

      The solution to the first should have been taken by the coaches at least a couple weeks ago. There are players, especially upfront, who need to be made to perform better(harder more produtively) or ‘reasigned’.
      The solutions to the second are limited but it is time the 6th/7th D’s Beaulieu, Tinordi, Weber, Kaberle be studiously assessed and slotted accordingly.

      Fortunately the team has mad ethe playoffs and can now set about to remedy as best they can some of the problems.

    • JF says:

      As you point out, we haven’t been playing as well as earlier in the season – three regulation losses in the last ten days. Part of the reason is almost certainly the injury to Emelin. He was the only guy we could rely on for big, intimidating hits, so his injury removed an essential element from our defence. Other teams know they can hit us at will. The team will have to adjust somehow, with players like Travis Moen and maybe Drewiske being a bit more physical. Diaz’s return should help our speed and puck-possession game, but he won’t add anything to the physical side.

      But I don’t think our defence three years ago, when we went to the Conference final, was any more “physical” than the guys we have now. Hal Gill was big, but rarely hit. Hamrlik and Spacek did not inspire fear. This year’s team is much better than that one, relying on speed and puck possession rather than blocking shots. But yes, the defence is a bit of a question mark.

  15. Danno says:

    The whole thing was a disgrace. Habs Humbled In Hogtown


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  16. habstrinifan says:


    April 14, 2013 at 6:59 am

    Price had a s–t night. The laffs didn’t “get into his head”.
    Some days, everything goes wrong despite how you prepared for it. It happens. Last I looked, Toronto was looking up at the Habs, not the other way around.

    Everything you say is valid. But no where does it explain inability to score more than 1 goal. There was no exceptional goaltending from what I read.
    The team has to at least review our offense as shown in past month.

    • Danno says:

      The only explanation is the offense stopped trying after the fourth goal was let in by Budaj. Maybe not intentionally, but it’s kind of understandable.


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      • habstrinifan says:

        That too is a valid explanation. The team unintentionally lost some motivation. But this is exactly my point in my posts before the game about a ‘no excuses’ approach. There should have been adroit handling of the entire bench ‘ambience’ to use Therrien’s word to have the team take it one purposeful and steady shift at a time to make themselves proud of their efforts. I didnt see mch of the game (blackout) but it doesnt sound like that was the case. People were running amok helter skelter from the sound of it.

      • showey47 says:

        That 4th one was probably one that sealed the deal. At 3-1 markov hit a post on a shot reimer never even saw,the leafs go the other way DD loses a puck battle behind the net ends up on phaneufs stick,takes a weak shot and either hit DD or bouillon and went it. The sad part is,the game was half over and the leafs still only had 7 shots on goal. The team played a good system for the first half of the game,goaltending early in the first let them down. When you are down 4-1 it forces you to take chances which leads to odd man rushes the other way which led to markov getting caught twice in the same shift and the 5th goal.

    • Cal says:

      In the 16 games played beginning March 13, Habs have scored 46 and allowed 32. A 2.7 GFA vs a 2.0 GAA. How horrible.

  17. smiler2729 says:

    So Price was shite, it happens, I’ve seen it happen to Dryden (especially New Year’s Eve 1975 vs. Red Army and the ’79 playoffs), I’ve seen it happen to Roy (especially that Detroit game) and hell, I’ve seen it happen to a lot of the best (Brodeur, Luongo, Fleury, tc…)

    Dryden retired after those ’79 playoffs and it took us 6-7 years to replace him… Roy was run outta town and we never recovered… So now we want to run Price out of town too?

    I ask you this my spoiled fickle friends, WHO would you rather have as the Habs regular goalie for the next 5-6 years? And if you say Budaj, you know sweet F-A about hockey. And if you say Halak, you’re definitely a moron.
    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

    • The Cat says:

      Calm down…People that say ‘youre a moron unless you see it like I do’ are usually proven to be morons in the end. Price is allowed to have a stinker and he doesnt suck, but the organization’s sometimes stubborn refusal to go with the hot hand in nets so that Price can start a zillion games is moronic. When your backup has earned a few extra starts, you got to give it to him. Last night was a perfect example, Price was breaking new equipment in, and Budaj had done well vs Buffalo, there was no reason to stop that flow.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Ton says:

      Why is price being compared to greats……….. I know hockey he is not in the great status> final………………I wish for him that he could get there because we need him and he is a good character guy……..but please lets not compare him to greats…….Roy won cups, meaning he was at most time the difference makers> hence con symth trophies…….same for Dryden………….he won games by himself as well as cups………especially the 71 and 73 cups……..I speak facts………..Carey needs a quick turnaround………but for now Steve Penny. Denis Herron, Theodore, Brian Hayward, have better legacies than Price. Why because the latter have won series………….Again I hope he can create his own legacy.

      • smiler2729 says:

        I didn’t compare him to Dryden and Roy, I merely stated those two greats had memorable crap games as in even the great ones have awful games, get it yet?

        Jack Edwards is a clam.
        Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

        • Ton says:

          well all goalies have bad games………..but you put them in the same sentence meaning you are attempting to say that price is a great one of the best like the ones you mention in your text. He is not in there leaque yet!

          • Mavid says:

            No he did not..it was pretty clear to me what he is saying..all good goalies have bad games..thats it

  18. habstrinifan says:

    Who thinks that between now and the stat of playoffs, Theerien and the coaching staff has to find a way (practise/line combination) to make White and Blunden integral parts of the lineup.

    Who thinks that relying on Diaz to return as a saviour (remember Diaz and the power play success really only lasted two weeks..check the stats) is misguided and we also need to get Weber back into some use.

    • Cal says:

      Weber isn’t playing again for the Habs. Beaulieu looked like a rookie on the 5th goal, but Gorges crapped the bed on the first goal.
      Diaz is only marginally better than Beaulieu.

      Losing Emelin means that the Habs D doesn’t hit at all. Too many basketball players playing D with no toughness save for a too old Boullion. This is supposed to be a rebuilding year yet we jump on the Habs perceived weaknesses as if we didn’t know they were there when the season started.
      The Habs received shoddy goaltending last night. It’s time to FIMO.

  19. adamkennelly says:

    what a terrible game..can you imagine the amount of loot some people dropped for that crap. Cary Price should offer refunds.

    not a big deal – In my opinion, Habs are clearly the better team, even last night. Lets be honest – the first goal should not have gone in, nor the 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

    Lets go over it – Boston lost too -no big deal.

  20. Haligonian-Hab says:

    I’m going to take my friend’s advice and stop watching Habs-Leafs games. Despite the fact we seem to split the season series every year (except this year), and there is an historic rivalry, the games are RARELY any good. Usually only one team shows up, the goals are fluky and the bounces are ridiculous. The media is biased and the commentating atrocious. Even when the Habs win, the game usually sucks.

    I can’t imagine what a playoff series would be like.

    Compare that to a Montreal-Boston game and it’s not even close. The games are usually back and forth and come down to the last minute of play.

    The sun did rise today. It will rise again April 28th too.

    • kerrgte says:

      I can’t watch the Leafs – Habs games – too stressful.

      I’m just gonna take the long term view. Mtl is a team on the rise, and with each transaction, I believe, the team is getting better.

      Rome wasn’t built in a day.


  21. habstrinifan says:

    Two scenarios which one do you as a team athlete embrace:

    Scenario 1: Team member walks in and apologises to team for bad performance.. team sits and quietly lets him.. and considers it good room chemistry.. good responsibility… class guy.

    Scenario 2: Team member walks in and starts to apologise. Team captain gets up and says “not one more word”. Team captain says “No apologies from no one.. Tomorrow we skate our asses off at practice. Everybody rededicate.. refocus.. reestablish their goals and how they contribute to this team. Ever body. And starting tomorrow do the sweating to never have to apologise again.. for the rest of the damn season.

    I hate aologies. I have never been on a team where apologies invigorate a team. All it does is put a veneer of caring good guy over what should be kick ass resolve to get better.

    I wrote before the HABS-LEAFS game. A win was mandatory! No excuses! In sport, An apology is a contrived excuse to explain “why I didnt give a damn when it mattered”.

    And after Timo’s translation of MT’S comments I hate the word ambience now. Please let’s not ever use the word ambience to describe HABS bench during a hockey game… especially against against Leafs or Bruins etc.

  22. …and no, there is no reason to watch the “High” lights, since apparently there were none. Imagine the pain of being in a Habs jersey at the ACC last night?! Glad I missed it, ’cause I know what it felt like even at the coliseum when we lost 6-3 with a thin turnout of Islanders fans and a large contingent of Quebecers that came down to support the Habs that night. Didn’t feel good, but they still respected the brand.
    We need to be so tough, so sharp, so skilled and so good, day in and day out that all teams fear our skill. That isn’t the case yet. When it is, we get a sixth skater every night!

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  23. I didn’t watch the lashing last night. I asked for some sense of what happened after reading all the Price bashing, some support and the general knowledge that the Habs have been a Jekyll and Hyde team at times this year (looses to Buffalo, certainly the 6-0 and last nights loses, loses to the Islanders and yes, I remember each one like it was a stick to my neck)…
    More importantly in my view is our health. mental and physical. I read that Markov got hurt, Prust took a pounding, our young smurfs were being squashed and I’m worried about injuries. Did anyone get hurt last night?
    Also, it is time for Price to visit the sports psychologist that worked with Eller. Really tough to be a 25 year old expected savior for a hockey mad city and actually perform every night. I can’t imagine the mountains of pressure Price is understand and I fully expect a couple more years of finding himself. Hell, at 25, I was still a teenager in my head like most of us and we all know teeangers (not a mis-spelling) are mentally ill (just think hormones raging and what that does to the mind).

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  24. Maritime Ron says:

    I look at Travis Moen and he reminds of the first snow suit I bought my son.
    You know the one that came with gloves that were attached by a string and went up both arms and around the neck so THE GLOVES WOULD NEVER COME OFF.

  25. Maritime Ron says:

    I enjoy watching this year’s version of PK Subban, but why did he feel he had to Hot Dog last night? His lack of maturity was loud and clear. Did he want to put on a show for the coast to coast HNIC crowd? His local family and friends? Don Cherry?

    What happened to the Norris candidate that was making those crisp first passes? The one that had a look around before blasting one-timers? The one that didn’t feel the need to try and go coast to coast all the time?

    That is NOT how a Norris candidate plays.

    • Hmm… first PK bash of the long thread… guess nobody from last night is immune!

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      • The Cat says:

        Id say Gallagher is immune.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        It’s no bash. It was the reality of the game if you bothered watching it. Sorry if I don’t wear red and blue tinted glasses

        • Was eating some chicken parm with my lady and our little one. Enjoyed a little capuccino and watched the Yale game on the screen of our local Italian family eatery. Didn’t have a good feeling about last nights game and was justified when I flicked on Yahoo Sports and saw the stats… I’ve been watching the Habs for almost 50 years and by now, I have a sixth sense of how they will play. Last night was just another confirmation that my blood runs bleu-blac-rouge, but I need some psychological protection from games like last night. Yes, the parm was delicious with a side of penne, a little oil and pepper for soft heated rolls and an arugula salad with wall nuts, goat cheese and cranberries to finish the meal (like it should be served). All was right last night, despite the loss. That is perspective!

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  26. HAB-Lib says:

    HA HA! The beginning of the end!

    Boone jinxed the Habs with his ALN after the Buffalo game. His Halak comments kinda look stupid now. Price melts under a national TV audience. Twice now against Toronto. Imagine a playoff series?

  27. H.Upmann says:

    woke up and still feel pissed about that loss lol

    • Me to and even I tried to put it in perspective last night. We’re in the playoffs. It’s a shortened season, so who cares about the final tally at end of this 48 game schedule! Let’s just stay healthy and make an earnest run at it and set up for next year so we DON’T have a collapse next year and get beyond Price being up and down (a la Luongo) the team being Jekyll & Hyde like in their period to period and game to game effort and some true truculence added over the summer.

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  28. Moose12 says:

    my last comment on this, and then I am done. I have lost enough sleep over this already.
    Give the Leafs full credit. They beat us early on the PP and then managed to chase our number one goalie after only 4 shots, getting into his head in the process, they received reliable goal-tending which covered up for their miscues and then had their way physically with us for the rest of the game. They have now thumped us twice on national TV, and with each victory have become more confident and have more swagger,and this will get them a long way in the playoffs.
    Right now I do not want to face them in a seven game series. They are now in our head.
    However , when you look at last night’s game, there was only 1 goal after that dreadful first period, and if we were not down so early, it could have been different. This underscores what we have to do to win- we have to score early, to force teams to play our game, to skate with us and to try to catch us. When you are down early, run and gun always loses to physical pounding.
    I do have concerns moving forward:
    1. The loss of Emelin hurts us in the physical department. If and when Diaz returns, he will make up for the offense part as well as the smart play, but not the physical side. This is when I wish MB had made a itch for O’Byrne over Drewiskie. He is bigger, stronger and has more experience and I think would have been a better fit on that 3rd pairing.
    2. Goaltending. It has been inconsistent. We win and lose as a team, and Carey has benefited from the way we now play to add to his win totals. To me is he is a good goalie, not elite and not great. This is still a work in progress. He has yet to steal us a game and maybe this will happen in the playoffs…maybe.
    3. Where is Max and DD? If it were not for Gallagher that first line would be invisible. I would like to see Eller on the first line, drop DD to the thrid line, and bring in White to spell Moen for the next game. I think White would have been a good element last night.

    I love how this team has played this year but this year is a mulligan we are building for the future. We still have a number of holes to plug, but the boat is in way better shape than last year.

  29. ihabto says:

    Hey everybody, I read comments on here ALL the time but rarely post. That said, being a Hab fan from Saskatchewan who recently moved to Ontario, I really appreciate how much people HATE losing to the Leafs. Not looking forward to work Monday.

    There are three trends on here that I wanted to weigh in on (for what that’s worth, i.e., two cents):

    Price: I normally don’t understand how he gets bashed after losses when most goals he doesn’t have a chance on. He may let in a stinker once in awhile, most goalies do. But, last night was completely on him, he would be the first to admit it, nobody feels worse about it than him. The team was playing great and he put them in a situation they didn’t need to be in. That said, nobody on that team is as worried about it as some of the posters here. He is world class. He will bounce back, probably immediately.

    Kadri: I’ve heard a couple of complaints about nobody lambasting Kadri. I believe the complaints surround his hits on Eller and Gallagher. It’s Kadri, not McLaren. If either of those guys had complaints about the hard but not really dirty hits they should have handled it themselves. I’d rather save Prust (and the other not-quite-as-tough guys) for the big boys like McLaren when they get out of hand.

    Odd man rushes / game plan: I think most of us are OK with “activating the D” to try to get some offence but I saw a comment (I think in reference to a post-game remark) that the Canadiens win by sticking to the game plan, etc. and that they don’t have the horses toplay end-to-end hockey. Well, I know what the remark meant, you don’t want to deviate too far from “your game” ever, you want to force the other team to react to your style. But I doubt the game plan is designed for a 6-5 win or includes contingencies for coming back from down by 3 or 4. Or does it and the “plan” is actually to start activating the D in that situation? Anyway, I think the remark is ridiculous. Obviously, when down by that many, if you still want to win, you may need to change the plan and it may cost you. But really, who cares if you lose 5-1 or 10-1, a loss is a loss.

    All-in-all, based on what we did after the last time this happened (albeit for different reasons) this is a great omen for the next month of hockey. Hopefully, we don’t need too many of these wakeup calls after that.

    • savethepuck says:

      Well said, I’m surprised nobody else on here has said the same.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  30. The Cat says:

    I’m going to give Price a pass last night, every goalie is entitled to have an unbelievably bad stinker once in a while especially with new equipment. But at the same time, the habs got to stop being stubborn with the excellence of Price. As it was with Halak, so it is now with Budaj. Not many teams would treat their 7-1-1 backup as an afterthought, theres nothing wrong with ‘going with the hot hand’…What Im finding more puzzling is that it seemed only Gallagher was in the ugly areas… Its time to take Pacioretty out of his comfort zone, hes not pulling his weight. I can see a slight progression in Moen however.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  31. pmaraw says:

    Price is a rebound goalie, he’ll rebound from this.

    • rmaclean says:

      I remember in 1972, the Habs final regular season games were a home and away against a very talented Bruins team including Orr and Esposito. This was the team they were playing in the fist round and they got blown out in both games. Needless to say they were real underdogs going into that series. Habs won the series and the cup that year.
      These games are important until they are over. Then it’s time to move on and focus on the next one.

      • Jim Edson says:

        The 1971-72 Habs got knocked out in 6 games by NYR

        That 1970-71 Habs under dog team featured a rookie(less than 7 NHL games) goalie cum law student, future hall of famer Ken Drden who went on in 1971 to win the Smythe.

        Solid and spectactular goaltending as well as Pete and Frank Mahovalich led to that cup!

        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  32. Clay says:

    @ Habilis:
    What exactly is my logic? Did you bother to ask me? I simply pointed out the relevant stats from the website YOU linked.
    Here is what I actually think about Price: He is a good young goalie with potential to be very good, and an outside chance of being great.
    That said, he has proven nothing yet, and he is way overpaid for what he has accomplished – especially in the cap era. In fact, his cap hit of $6,500,000 is third highest amongst all goalies in the league, behind only Pekka Rinne ($7,000,000) and Henrik Lundqvist ($6,875,000). This puts him at over 10% of our entire team payroll next season.
    To put that in perspective, Martin Brodeur has a cap hit of $4,500,000. I don’t think an unproven Price is worth more than Brodeur. Do you?

    ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

    • makka83 says:

      Did you see Brodeur’s last few games? He was worse than Price tonight. SERIOUSLY. I think he had 3 goals in 4 shots too the other night.

      • Clay says:

        So f’n what? I am not suggesting we trade our young goalie for the 40 year old Brodeur. I am suggesting that Brodeur earned his contract through years of stellar play.
        As an aside, I don’t understand why you feel the need to respond to every perceived slight of Price, no matter how innocuous. I think I was clear that he was good.

        ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

        • makka83 says:

          Not sure why you’re upset, I don’t think my comment should have upset you! Just mentioning that even Brodeur ( the best goalie of all time, arguably) has terrible nights. You brought him up.

          I thought that you earn your contract after signing it, not before. If that’s not the case, then Price earned his contract by his stellar play in his early years.

          I respond because I think some people need a little perspective. Price sucked tonight, no question. But this place makes mountains out of molehills. I mean, one guy saying that Monday is a big test for Price (the playoffs are, no? Monday is meaningless. If Price lost every game by 10 goals but then went on to win a couple of rounds in the playoffs, would you care?).

          • Clay says:

            I’m not upset at all actually.
            But you are mistaken – you should have to earn a contract both before and after signing it. Price had good play in his early years, but certainly nothing close to stellar. If he had, he would have been in Vezina consideration at least once. He has yet to even seriously enter that discussion. And if he was in the discussion, I wouldn’t necessarily think he was overpaid.
            I agree about the playoffs though. That’s the test for Price. That’s when it matters, and – like all of us here – I hope he can come through.

            ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

      • habstrinifan says:

        Not taking sides but you write about Brodeur totally out of context of his career. May I ask you..if you had a winner take all game tomorrow and had could choose Price or Brodeur, whom would you choose. I would have to get by the ‘age’ question but I cant say for sure I wont end up choosing Brodeur. What I am saying is continue the debate but Brodeur has earned his salary over and over.

        • Clay says:

          I did not write about Brodeur out of context at all. I used him as an example of an elite goalie who earned, through excellent play, a good contract. My point was that Price is paid more than one of the best of all time, yet has done nothing to merit that much money. Brodeur has. Sorry you missed that point.
          As for your question, who would I pick in a 1 game, winner take all situation…no question; Brodeur. He has proven time and again he can have big games under pressure.
          And keep in mind I already said I would note trade our young goalie for the 40 year old Brodeur. But Price has yet to show the level of play that Brodeur has reached.

          ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

          • habstrinifan says:

            Sorry Clay. I was siding with you commenting on this post by Makka83 that touched a nerve re Brodeur.

            “Did you see Brodeur’s last few games? He was worse than Price tonight. SERIOUSLY. I think he had 3 goals in 4 shots too the other night.”

          • Clay says:

            Sorry Trini – I missed that! Apologies.
            ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

    • Da Hema says:

      Clay: I think those are some balanced points about Price. As I posted way earlier this evening, I don’t believe Price is an “elite” goalie. I truly hope he attains that status, but at this stage he’s never won anything substantive at the NHL level that warrants him being deemed a “star.” Indeed, my concerns with Price grow.

      The Montreal media keeps referring to his “cool and calm demeanor.” I am beginning to wonder whether that is simply a positive light being cast on what might also reasonably be described as “lack of will to win.” Punching walls and throwing sticks, as Price has done in the past, isn’t evidence of a “desire to win.” Dryden NEVER let his shoulders sag as Price does when he lets in goals. And while Roy played many bad games too, he was always defiant on the ice when opponents scored. After the first Toronto goal, and Price’s reaction to it, I could just see he was going to suck — and you can bet all of Toronto’s players saw the very same thing.

      PK Subban has made great strides in his level of maturity. I don’t know whether the same can be said for Price.

      • Clay says:

        Well stated. You’re pretty articulate for a hippopotamus 😉

        ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

  33. jimmy shaker says:

    Wow! Please Carey do something on Monday! Budaj needs to be in on Wed vs the pens and go from there for thursday. Even though he’s had a couple donuts this year and a good W vs. L record, he really hasn’t stole any games or been the lights out tender that he’s shown flash’s of in the past. Most of his wins have been the benefit of a better overall team in front of him outworking the other team. He’s got to step up, and step up large! Thankfully I stopped watching after it was 3-0…..It was actually a good night till I came home and watched the rest of the game……thank God for fast forward X3 to speed up that farce.

    Shaker out!

    • makka83 says:

      Carey’s big test is not Monday. Stop making big deals out of meaningless games. His big test is in the playoffs. Habs fans tend of overreact… Beating the Flyers or losing to them won’t make a difference in anything.

  34. AceMagnum says:

    What’s the name of that goalie we just got from Tampa? Lets call him up. He should be good to stop four shots.

  35. Timo says:

    So what if before Habs and Leafs meet for the last time this season it is already decided they will meet in the first round.

    Who does Therrien go with in nets? Carey Price who may (and most likely will) shit the bed again and then what… go with the goalie that got lit up 3 times by the team you’re playing in the first round or with the back up?

    My gut feeling is that Habs stick with Price and promptly get bounced in the first round. Entire HIO population living in Ontraio moves to other provinces.

    • makka83 says:

      I can see a scenario of Price wining 82 games in a row, by a shutout and people will still doubt him once he gets scored on.

      Just stop being pessimistic. The team will compete in the playoffs. They have character. If they lose, they will come back stronger next year. What’s the rush? Are you going anywhere? It’s Year 1 of MB’s era.

  36. AceMagnum says:

    Looks like the start of a losing streak with games against Philly and Pittsburgh as sure loses, gonna get killed by Washington for sure, maybe we can steal a point from Tampa but only if Budaj plays. Leafs will probably catch us by April 27th

  37. jon514 says:

    Crap. I feel myself starting to buy the anti-price hype. He crumbled under the pressure people claim he doesn’t feel tonight.

  38. Jdub1515 says:

    I missed White and Armstrong tonight …

    How Kadri can humiliate and board two of our star players and go untouched for 2 periods is beyond me – especially with Therrien behind the bench … with the game out of reach all I saw was the Habs of seasons past …soft and catatonic … i don’t mind losing 5-1 but to let the same team run your star players, now thats an embarrassment.

  39. The Jackal says:

    Thought I would share this beauty with you all.
    It is a quote from a B’s fan following tonight’s loss to Carolina:

    “Where to begin…
    Caron has to go
    Bartkowski has to go
    Daugivins has to go
    Can the Bruins find a genuine scorer ANYWHERE?
    For 2 years I’ve been waiting to see this team string together games with a FULL 60 MINUTE EFFORT!!!
    I saw a team just like this just after we traded #77 to the Avalanche, I’m feeling nauseous just remembering that time…
    It used to be that you could always count on the Bruins to give maximum effort…
    Those were the days…
    I guess 2 years ago was a fluke like everybody said it was…”

    I love the last line.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Habilis says:


      Thanks for reminding me that it could be worse, we could have just lost to the Canes.

      We still have a great shot at the division, thanks to those Canes. Toronto is too far back and Boston is out of sorts. If we take 9 or 10 of the remaining 14 points, I think it’s ours.

      • The Jackal says:

        Tis indeed a good reminder.
        Boston, the “class of the East,” according to many pundits, is doing worse than we are over the last 10 games, the laffs are not much better either.
        Just remember folks, it’s one game, Habs just hit the 10th loss in regulation, correct me if I am wrong but that’s the last team to get to that mark.

        It happens.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • Clay says:

          The Bruins are 5-4-1 in the past 10. Habs are 6-4. Leafs are 7-1-2.

          ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

    • sheds88 says:

      this sounds like an over-exaggerating fan venting…..sounds familiar doesn’t it ????

  40. deuce6 says:

    Are you guys blaming the D for the numerous odd man rushes? LOL

    Price let in 3 stinkers in the 1st, what, 8 minutes of the game? At some point, the D HAS to pinch and be more active in the offensive zone to try and get back in it…The only con about doing that is you give up the chance of odd man rushes..This entire loss is on Price’s shoulders…He totally shit the bed, tonight..I thought the team played decent, but when your goalie looks like Swiss cheese and can’t stop a beach ball, you may as well take the game plan and throw it right out the window..

    The Leafs weren’t “lucky”, our goal tending sucked..Budaj actually came in and did what Price was supposed to do right from the start..Stop the freaking puck..lol

    Price really needs to look at himself in the mirror and get his head straight because I see nothing but a guy that has issues between the ears when it comes to pressure..The guy buckles like he did tonight..

    *PS- I must be a troll because Price stunk out the joint and I am calling him out on it..lol

    Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I had no problem with the numerous odd-man rushes allowed, I figured they needed to open it up to try to tie up the score, but Gaston Therrien on l’Anthichambre didn’t buy it. He said that the team can only win if it plays its system, it doesn’t have the horses to get into an end-to-end shootout. Anyway, he may be right, but I wasn’t fretting the four-on-ones, I figured we just had defencemen trying to support the attack, taking chances, which is appropriate in this circumstance.

    • makka83 says:

      Firstly, the first goal, he had no chance. Not sure if you saw it but he moved from post to post like 3 times… It was just a great play.

      Secondly, you’re not a troll. You discuss other stuff, not just how much Price sucks or how much DD sucks etc… It’s just hard to enjoy reading comments on the site when every goal against is followed by “another stinker by Price” etc… Not every goal is a softie. Some people never had faith in Price since the Halak Vs Price wars and are now upset that the Price-bots “won”. Some people are just trolling and aren’t habs fans. But most people are just fans who are concerned about our goalkeeping. Some ruin it for everyone (Pricebots or not).

      Thirdly, what else can we do if Price isn’t the answer. Seriously, what’s the solution? The guy is 25, he is signed long term and has been, generally, good. Last year, on a terrible team, he stole many games and didn’t get pulled at all. Name one goalie who has been amazing. Quick? He has been terrible in the beginning of the year. Rinne? Just look at his stats. MAF? I don’t have to tell you what he did last year in the playoffs. Anderson? He just had a breakout season, this year. Etc… No goalie is perfect.

      Lastly, people can and should say their opinions about Price. but when you repeat the same thing over and over and over, you’re a troll. Why should someone be allowed to spam us with their opinion and then get upset that we’re saying ours? If all you want to do is bash Price, then do it. But if you’re trying to have a positive conversation then repeating that stuff over and over isn’t going to help.

  41. johnnylarue says:

    I think the Habs are really, really going to miss Emelin these next few weeks.

    Not saying he would have won this game for us, but you just know he’d have made a pancake of Khadri at some point tonight, and that particular transfer of pain would have taken some of the sting away from this loss.

    Ah well, still second in the East. I guess.

  42. Harditya says:

    Bouillon: “Price apologised to the guys after the 1st period but he wasn’t the only one to blame.”

  43. jedimyrmidon says:

    On Phaneuf’s goal: that’s exactly what happens to the Leafs all the time.

    Two Habs players (DD and Markov) on the puck between the corner and the back of the net, 1 Leaf player (Kadri) on it. Somehow, without even a real battle, Kadri sends the puck riiiight out into the area in front of the net heading towards the blueline where Phaneuf simply picks it up, circles to the right side of the boards and shoots-and-scores. Just like that.

    Or if he didn’t shoot-and-score, you have 4 Habs arrayed in a defensive box tightly around the net. With 2 Leafs players floating around completely open within the Habs’ zone.

    But what bugs me the most is the puck just getting right out to an open area without deflecting off anything where there happens to be 0 Habs players to intercept it and a Leafs player just happens to be there, and the Leaf player “winning” a 2-on-1 battle. A play like that usually doesn’t work or is a bad idea, but EVERYTHING the Leafs did produced a goal.

  44. Timo says:

    Hah, read the best comment on RDS:

    “Price c’est un espoir eternel… “

  45. shootdapuck says:

    Chris in Surrey,

    The possibly worst situation is when a debacle like this occurs at 0600-0900 and an entire day lies ahead to contemplate yet another choke in hog-town.

    BTW its Songkran here and normally bustling Bangkok is a ghost-town as all the locals have bolted to the provinces!

    The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

    “On peut play cette game tres simplement”
    “Le game est tous de hard work”
    ” I have a pet peeve”

  46. billylove says:

    Simple explanation after re-watching the loss. Even when down 5 -1 the team was pushing the action. Lack of effort, no. We didn’t get beat because we were outplayed. You CONTROL play for the entire first period and have a monumental collapse in net allowing 4 goals on 5 shots. That cost us the game plain and simple. I have no major complaints about how the team, excluding goaltenders, played. I am a Price supporter but damn, the playoffs are how far off, 3 weeks? Not the kind of performance I expected from Price in a big game at this late stage. When it comes to creating a goalie controversy, Price is his own worst enemy. I expect off nights but total ineffectiveness is unacceptable. Sorry Boone, even the first goal was shaky. Price is playing with a team that can make a strong playoff run so what’s it gonna be. Is he going to enhance their chances to win or is he going to hold them back? I lean to the former, but performances like tonight don’t boost my confidence.

  47. habs_54321 says:

    price is not as bad as some people think, but hes not as good as some people think either. price is the jay boumeester of goalies IMO, alot of talent but lacks the passion and ambition to be great. closest goalie comparison too price is ondrej pavelec same size lots of skill, but tends too lose focus and is very streaky. the problem with price is like boumeester his huge contract. i dunno how a starting goalie of a lottery team got elite goalie money

    • Timo says:

      He is not as bad, no. He is just bad when it counts the most. Otherwise, he is pretty good. Love your comparison to Jay Bo.

      • makka83 says:

        and tonight counted.. why?

        • Timo says:

          Well, as you all know I know f#$% all about hockey. But I was reading comments preceding tonight’s game and a lot of posters were saying that this could be a preview to the playoffs. So I thought that perhaps it was important to play well and win since this was a preview for the playoffs. Again, i am probably wrong and tonight game absolutely doesn’t count and all of this is just stupid overreacting on my part.

        • deuce6 says:

          Stop downplaying the loss..Every game heading into the playoffs is big..Especially when it is on National TV and against a bitter rival..What, we clinched a playoff spot, so that means we should just let the Leafs win? Gimmie a break…Every game is big and if any player on the team thinks otherwise (Moen) there’s the door..I don’t want you wearing that crest on your chest..The team embarrassed themselves tonight and Price led the pack..

          Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

          • makka83 says:

            Unfortunately you have no say. All you can do is just state your opinion. But sports aren’t different from any other job. You have days where you won’t be as good as others. Some people work better under pressure and some don’t. Tonight wasn’t a big game. In the end, if the Habs win the cup or not, this game would have had ZERO impact on their season. I’m not downplaying the loss, you’re the one overreacting to a virtually meaningless game.

  48. Bozo McBozo says:

    Who gives a poop about the Habs pissing away a game to the Leafs? Tonight’s hockey story is that a real school won the NCAA D-1 Championship! All hail the Yale Bulldogs!!! If I was MB, I’d give that 6″+ kid from Quebec a serious look. Lebelanc should have stayed at Harvard and developed properly!

    • Chris says:

      Agree regarding Leblanc.

      So many people were deriding Leblanc playing for Harvard as it would stunt his development yet Yale and Quinnipiac, the two finalists, both hailed from the same conference as Harvard. And RPI is no pushover most seasons either.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Some consistency might have been nice, but very few believed he’d get better development at Harvard than in the LHJMQ.

        Having said that, the kid has had problems staying healthy, as he did this season, and the Bulldogs had a tough season, so we can write this one off and work hard over the summer to take another kick at the can in the fall. He’s not needed to be the saviour anymore as he was last season, we can take our time and let him mature.

  49. habs001 says:

    Big game monday..If Habs get beaten and Leafs win mon and tues ..only 2 point difference and Habs in Pitts wed…

  50. Timo says:

    So what did Carey Price have to say after the game? Did he tell everyone to chill out?

  51. The Jackal says:

    Well folks, this was a bad game, but in the end, we were the better tea. Habs lost because of had luck. The game was decided in the first 10 minutes, Laffs got lucky goals and then couldn’t score again. We spent a lot of time in their zone but it was one of those nights – it happens.

    The standings say it all anyway.
    Not sure why HH, a usually calm poster, is asking the question he is asking, but it is beside the point. Habs just got their 10th regulation loss, one of the last teams in the league to get that mark. Maybe they lost a couple of games to playoff teams recently, but they’ve proven they can tango with the best of them. In a 7 game, series, the laffs are out of luck, and that’s that.

    Vent, the disappointment out, etc., but laffs suck, plain and simple. It is always frustrating to lose to a lesser team, but in the end it does not mean anything to us. We lucked out that Boston lost, so whatever, time to pick up where we left off and clinch the division.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Well… I wouldn’t say the Leafs suck. I just wish the Habs put up a fight.

      They really choose unfortunate moments to have games like these. I don’t know why they seem to lose their heads against the Leafs. I just want the Habs to play their game instead of collapsing.

      Kadri’s dirty hits are really infuriating. All in all, a really disappointing night.

      • The Jackal says:

        Well, they suck in the sense they we are the better team.
        Laffs got lucky, 5 goals in the first period and they could be as cheap and dirty as they wanted.
        The Habs were clearly frustrated by the start and played their dumb game.

        In a 7 game series, the laffs won’t be shooting at that percentage, and you can bet your tockers that the Habs will be at their best.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          With these Leaf games, once the score gets out of hand, it all just goes downhill. Habs players would be foolish to engage in the goonery.

          Seriously, once they’re down 4-1 or 5-1, the Leafs can just keep going for hits instead of hockey plays.

          Letting in 4 goals on 5 shots was probably the worst thing the Habs could do as it lets the Leafs D corps and 4th line to start thinking about hurting the other team instead of playing hockey. But that’s exactly what the Habs did.

    • habs001 says:

      Looking at the remaining sched the Leafs could be very close to the Habs before the season ends….

      • The Jackal says:

        Saw your post.
        Take me as a big homer, but I just don’t think the laffs are for real.
        They are surviving off a BS shot %. They are sh*t in possession, their D and goaltending are suspect, and they have 3 useless goons.

        Yes, they have been ok this season, but they blew so many actual scoring chances this game and other games, that you gotta wonder, how big is the horseshoe up their yahoo, and how many stitches after they pass it? The goals scored against us were SO soft. I love Price, but he should have had those… but then again, the laffs have scored those kinds of goals all season. That kind of luck does not hold up over a series. Case in point – they just had a home and home against the Rangers; big win the first game, barely held on to lose in SO the next.

        IMO, let’s put this behind us. Habs have bounced back strong after every loss, that is much more encouraging for the playoffs than a stupid series with the laffs. 2-3, 3-2….. whatever the season series would be at, the playoffs are a new series and we would win it. If that is what is in the cards, bring it on.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • habs001 says:

          My concerns is that sometimes a team that has luck it last the whole season…The Leafs could take a big fall next year …As with any team the Habs cannot afford to lose th pp/pk battle…Looks more and more if Habs win division they dont play the Leafs…

          • Timo says:

            Or if leafs win division.

          • The Jackal says:

            Have heart Timo, you’ve been pleased many more times than disappointed this season.
            If you were a laff fan…. well, let’s not go there.
            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  52. AceMagnum says:

    Price will bounce back

    …. to his usual one soft goal per game. At least then we have a fighting chance. We sure are lucky to have him

  53. citizenSanto says:

    As we sit in the home-front that is MTL, consoled by Boone’s post battle fire-side chat, I often find myself thinking of those less fortunate. A Toast! To the CH fans fighting in the trenches of Ontario!
    We are ever grateful for your service.
    Vive Le CH!

    Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. — Augustine of Hippo

  54. smiler2729 says:

    lol “the sky is falling! the sky is falling!”… you people need to chill out. Shite game (yes vs. the Laffs again) but let’s move on, we’re 2nd in the East!!!

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

  55. Un Canadien errant says:

    These recaps aren’t so much fun on a night like this. The Canadiens fishtailed (win as a team, lose as a team) right off the bat, and the Leafs got some validation. TSN will gloat over every detail for the next couple of days, and Sportsnet is no alternative, being fundamentally unwatchable. Getting my sports fix is going to be tough. So let’s dive in, but keep it short, so we can quickly rinse off, towel off and move on to other things.

    Carey Price needs to be better in these games where hype is omnipresent. He needs to use that cool, calm demeanor to his advantage, be focused and ready to go when the puck is dropped. Glenn Healy mentioned he was rocking new goalie gear, getting it ready for the playoffs. Of course, it has to be broken in sometime, but maybe not against a divisional rival in a game that a lot of people are saying is a likely playoff rival a few weeks hence.

    So that’s two ‘big’ games he booted recently, counting the Boston game when Peter Budaj came in and saved his bacon. Not acceptable. There’s no decision to be made or lesson to be learned, we’ll dance with the one that brunged us, it’s up to him to do the job. Carey just has to do better, and we know that he knows.

    One odd facet of this game was Brandon Prust seeking out Frazer McLaren for a fight early in the first period. I’m not sure what the idea was, as the size differential between them kind of tilts the odds in the Leaf’s favour, the best we could hope for in this one was a draw. In the end, Brandon eked out a marginal victory, but really in doing so was playing the Leafs’ game, not ours. Strategically, we should be trying to skate circles around their defencemen, as we often do, and have Messrs. Prust, Moen and White on hand to parry their pugilistic efforts. Be ready to respond if necessary, but not instigate. Frazer McLaren appeared surprised at the invite, and was only too happy to respond, and when it was over we lost a valuable player for five minutes, while they sat a plug who doesn’t even play much. Not smart.

    We had an example tonight of how ‘toughness’ in hockey is really asymmetric, how refereeing favours goon teams, and how the Canadiens need to be disciplined in the playoffs and have their powerplay clicking, or they won’t last long. I’m speaking of Dion Phaneuf’s assault on P.K. Subban on a faceoff during a Canadiens powerplay, which resulted in both being sent off for unsportsmanlike conduct for two minutes. Which is par for the course for the NHL, but in reality is a giant “Uhh?!” P.K. was taking his position for the faceoff, at which time Mr. Phaneuf started slashing, cross-checking, and kicking at his feet, possibly in an attempt to slewfoot the Canadiens defenceman.

    Why was not an extra two minutes given to Dion Phaneuf for starting the whole thing? Why not an extra two for roughing? Or, really, why not two for the slash, two for the crosscheck, another two for the other crosscheck, and two for kicking? Which everyone will agree would never fly, that’s not the way the game is officiated, but there you have the systemic advantage conferred upon the Bruins and the Leafs and other Truculenters. It’s either no penalty, the linesmen wade in as impotent peacemakers and separate the combatants, or both get offsetting minors, and away we go, and we lose our best powerplay performer, and if I’m Randy Carlyle I take that trade all game long. It’s abysmally stupid, and fundamentally unfair, and it’s short-sighted for the league, forcing everyone in an arms race of gritty tough talentless checkers who provide zero entertainment value and distribute concussions liberally.

    P.K. Subban had no viable option on this play. If he doesn’t retaliate, he’s soft and accused of turtling and diving, and that’s not the way Canadians play Don Cherry will thunder. If he stands up for himself, he’s seen as a participant in this by the myopic refs, and he gets a coincidental minor. That’s how we get to the point where Brad Marchand can bolo punch Daniel Sedin in the head repeatedly, with the refs having stored their whistles rectally for safe-keeping, and the linesmen coming in to put an end to any further infractions. The refs and the system they wallow in allow the thugs to drag down the talented players down to their level, at the expense of the show.

    The putative reason that Dion Phaneuf did this was that P.K. had acted tough when squaring off against Leo Komarov earlier in the game. He was now ‘sending a message’, saying “If you wanna go, go with me”, apparently. Now the latter is listed as being 5’10” and 190 lbs, which seems like a pretty even matchup for P.K., certainly much fairer than one with Dion Phaneuf.

    And that’s what the ‘physical game’ devolves to. It’s rarely Jarome Iginla vs. Vincent Lecavalier, or Mario Tremblay vs. Bobby Schmautz, or Curt Fraser vs. Ron Delorme, combatants equally matched in terms of their size and toughness and their role on their respective teams. At best, the physical game is two enforcers facing off and cancelling each other out. Usually, however, it’s big players slashing and hacking and ‘finishing their checks’ against smaller guys. When a tougher player confronts them, they are less frisky and are likely to back down, as Dion Phaneuf did memorably against Brandon Prust in a previous game. It’s Milan Lucic barreling into Ryan Miller and cross-checking Dominic Moore in the head, but running away from Georges Laraque and hiding behind a ref when he’s losing a fight to Colton Orr. It’s Ryan Kesler running around creaming guys, but when called to account by neanderthal Brian Boland replies: “I don’t fight fourth-liners”.

    It’s asymmetric warfare, where teams pollute their lineup with goons, and, enabled by the incompetent NHL, invite other teams to line up and fight them ‘fair and square’. If you’re outgooned, well that’s your fault, line up anyway, send us Taylor Pyatt so Greg ‘Get Out Of Jail Free’ Campbell can turn his face into hamburger with the help of an elbow pad. When a Tomas Plekanec or Brian Gionta is getting facewashed or slashed and slashes back, he’s branded as yellow, because he doesn’t have the ‘guts’ to square off and punch it out against a big idiot like Adam McQuaid. It’s ridiculous, it’s killing the game and keeping it in the ghetto instead of the cultural mainstream, and that’s Gary Bettman’s and Don Cherry’s and PJ Stock’s and Mike Milbury’s and Brian Burke’s NHL.

    Which is how a pylon like Dion Phaneuf has value in the NHL, because he’s big, never mind that he can’t skate backwards. And which is how a team like the Leafs can win games despite having completely useless players like Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren and Mark Fraser and Leo Komarov in their lineup.

    That, and a peculiarly high shooting percentage in the first period.



    • Timo says:

      And when are Habs going to learn that this is not about to change and prepare for that kind of stuff accordingly?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I still pine for Shane O’Brien, he would have been a goodie.

        There was a mention from a credible source (forget who, might have been Elliotte Friedman) that Marc Bergevin was trying to land Mike Rupp, Kyle Clifford, or Bryan Bickell at the deadline. In the end, he couldn’t get a deal done, but it’s an indication that he wanted to get Brandon Prust some help. Ultimately, he probably felt that the cost would be too high, and the team wasn’t one piece away from winning the Cup. I agree with that evaluation, but a big tough forward to help out would have been nice, even if the goal isn’t really to win it all, but to provide some pushback when guys like Nazem Kadri starts feeling so comfortable he takes runs at Lars Eller.

        I guess Marc Bergevin felt confident that the subtraction of Scott Gomez and the addition of Brandon Prust, Colby Armstrong and Francis Bouillon, mixed in with Ryan White and Travis Moen, would do the trick. Apparently, with the state of refereeing in the NHL, the inability of Ryan White to stay in the lineup, the modest contribution of Colby Armstrong on the physical side, the downsizing which occurred when Erik Cole proved ineffective and was traded away, and Travis’ somnambulist tendencies, we’re still a little undermanned when a team decides it wants to push the Canadiens around. Based on Mr. Bergevin’s background and philosophy, I think this will be addressed again in the off-season.



        • Timo says:

          I would like to believe so but my faith in MB has not been as solid as most of the people here. I think he made as many mistake as improvements and these mistakes are coming to roost now.

          Also, MB’s reluctance to deal 2nd round picks has been a bit frustrating to me. Unless he has a REALLY long term plan, Habs are in position to part with a couple of 2nd round picks. Going for a cup this year is as good as any. Who knows what will be next year?

          Anyhoo… it’s all empty talk at this point.

        • habstrinifan says:

          OMG UCE! Do you remember my posts begging and begging for this guy. I get perky just hearing the name Shane O’Brien in CH Red.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Sure do, we were peas in a pod on that one. I always liked Shane when he was with the Canucks, despite the way it ended there. He kind of has the swagger of a Kevin Bieksa, without the actual talent.

    • HardHabits says:

      Number of words: 1245

    • HAB-PROFESSOR says:

      nice write up….accurate, but not sure what your objective is or the solution which you gave none…you just complained about the reality of the game!, get with it and put your energy into what we need to win, and that is a fine and correct balance between GRIT and FINESSE.

      we are way overboard on the Finesse/non grit players, although with the new acquisitions and the gritty talented Gallagher of the Veteran Youth Movement, we have made tremendous strides forward since last season.

      but still not enough as our deficiencies rear their ugly heads in times of adversity…as was the spectacle tonight.

      I believe (and called it before game) it was a grave error to not have WHITE, BLUNDEN and DUMONT in the lineup tonight… as acting secondary GRIT enforcers, they would have taken the heat away from future Hab Captain GALLAGHER, whose game tapes were extensively studied by those leafs….

      The N.A.G. (North American Grit) effect is the only path to success…

      • The Jackal says:

        NAG would not have done anything tonight. We have “NAG.”
        It does not stop things from happening.
        Why are we where we are if we lack that, and why are the laffs and Boston where they are if they have it?
        It does compute.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • HAB-PROFESSOR says:

          to the contraire… N.A.G. would be cross checking KADRI in the back of the head and charging boarding ELLER into the end boards to touch lightly on the atrocities against us…

          GALLAGHER and ELLER were both off their games because of the N.A.G. effect and our failure to counter it, since WHITE was in the press box.

          Not all teams require an extensive use of N.A.G. to defeat, thats why we are ahead in the standings over the heavy use N.A.G. teams as you mentioned, and we have been more consistent… but when going up against the tougher teams in a 7 game series, you don’t want your talent losing energy and drive being facewashed and crosscheck to the back of the head after the whistle….

          like I said, PRUST can’t do it all…protect all, all the time.

          The N.A.G. (North American Grit) effect is the only path to success…

          • Timo says:

            Agree, HP. Habs need to get more dirty.

          • The Jackal says:

            So NAG is being dirty? Habs are better than that.
            They lose when they get frustrated and try to play the revenge game – that is something they need to avoid, not try to be better that.
            Stay disciplined and focused, and use the system they have been using, and the will win. The only reason they did not do that tonight is because they were down by three early and they got frustrated trying wit the Laffs dirt.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

          • Timo says:

            Habs need to be selectively dirty to respond to BS that’s being administered to them. When game is out of hand it should be eye for an eye. If Eller gets boarded, so should Kadri or Kessel. Opponents forwards should not feel immune from being crosschecked, kneed, elbows in the head, etc. You say Habs are better than that – I fully agree. But, as the saying goes, nice guys finish last. So far, being nice haven’t worked all too well for Montreal Canadiens.

            I am not advocating going headhunting just for the heck of it, but if crap starts, Habs should be able to respond in kind.

          • The Jackal says:

            It sucks to see the cheap plays go unanswered, but there is no need to stoop to that level.
            We’ve won many more times than we have lost, and we have not needed to be douchebags.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

          • Timo says:

            Let’s agree to disagree.

        • Mavid says:

          it has not worked so well? were second in the East..I would say its working just fine..but like you..hey what the hell do I know..shite

    • The Jackal says:

      Agreed, UCE. The reality of the NHL is that it is a joke and it gives the edge to dirty cheap players despite what the rules say. The calls seem almost at the refs’ discretion and they skew the odds towards the “bigger” players. It is all BS.
      Habs got frustrated and tried to play that stupid style at times.
      They should have kept taking it to the laffs. After they scored, the laffs looked to be on the ropes even though they were up.
      It seemed the whole time as if they were waiting for their shoes to fall.

      Oh well, move on.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Mike Boone says:

      As usual, excellent analysis.
      A persnickety point: It was Tom Pyatt who was cut up by Campbell’s elbow pad.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  56. fastfreddy says:

    So they give Desharnais an extension big time$ for what???????? And they don’t get a Clowe type player to help out Prust. Could be a problem in the play-offs.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  57. Sportfan says:

    The question is do you really want to face the leafs in the playoffs now?


    • Timo says:

      If you read comments in the past few days, absolutely.

      Price is far superior to Reimer. Our D is vastly superior to Leafs’ and our forwards are super vastly superior to anything Leafs have to offer. So I say a big YES. Habs should desire no other opponent than the leafs.

  58. HardHabits says:

    Funny how Boone and I think alike. As they say, “Imitation is the sincerest form of plagiary!”

    HardHabits APRIL 13, 2013 AT 10:12 PM
    The play-offs are a different beast. Are the Habs ready for the second season? The Leafs, I have to admit, begrudgingly at that, are a fast, big, robust, and young team. They can skate too.

    The Habs last two losses were to play-off teams. Now is the time to turn it up another level. Instead the Habs turned it down a few notches tonight.

    This game was problematic in that not only did Price let in 3 goals on 4 shots, but the team as a whole gave up 2 on 1′s, 3 on 1′s, 4 on 2′s and even a 4 on 1 if not mistaken. WTF?

    Carlyle really looks to have Therrien’s anti-System figured out.

    • The Jackal says:

      Not sure if you are still kicking around ATM but do you really think that or are you just bummed out about tonight? That post seems a bit reactionary to me.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  59. HAB-PROFESSOR says:


    he fought and WON against another heavy weight… is that not significant? well let me tell you if we lose PRUST before the playoffs we may as well just fold the franchise for the season, there is absolutely no way in the world that we could ever attempt the CUP without a PRUST EFFECT in the lineup…

    Heaven help us, this is getting futile…when are these GM’s going to learn? pull out the old tapes (pre 90’s) and see what chemistry/ingredients are required for a CUP team…damm we have the most examples/lessons to be studied…

    stop dreaming of a 90% finesse team….it will go nowhere in the Post Season… WAKE UP MB…and MT.

    the RATIO is 80:20….N.A.GRIT to FINESSE

    The N.A.G. (North American Grit) effect is the only path to success…

    • The Jackal says:

      Please, if NAG and toughness and whatever other synonym there is is the answer, WHY ARE WE 2nd and WHY are the only other team to clinch???

      You put too much weight on this attribute yet there are no results to really back it up.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  60. lavie says:

    From Stats and results for the past few years, Price by far a mediocre NHL goalie.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Thank you for sharing that.

    • Whatever says:

      I assume you post the same thing after Price wins.

    • Habilis says:

      Don’t let the facts get in the way of… Well, of gibberish.


      Price’s numbers over the last three years are almost identical to guys like Jonathan Quick, Cam Ward, Antti Niemi and Ryan Miller. I guess none of them are good either though.

      Next time look something up.

      • Clay says:

        GAA- Price is 15th – average
        Save % – Price is 11th – slightly above average
        (I am not supporting either point of view, but just stating facts)
        ☞ Montreal is the better of these two teams. No excuses for Bruins. Montreal is better.☜ ~ Jack Edwards

        • Habilis says:

          Look at the list again. Some of the guys ahead of him on the GAA rank have played 100+ less games. Same for the save%. He’s closer to 9th in GAA and 6th in save% against his equals.

          Plus it’s not like it’s the same group of guys ahead of him on both lists. By your logic, the goalies who are above average would have to be high on both those lists, right? So that’s basically Lundqvist and Rinne. That’s it. Everyone else in the NHL is average?

  61. calvee123 says:

    I’ve noticed they have given up stinkers more often in the recent past. However, everyone in their lives has off days, I’m pretty sure. Tonight it was one. Hopefully Toronto uses this game to get over confident and not be ready for a real competing team like Montreal can play!!! Rest boys, put it behind you. Reset for Philly…..

  62. Frank2468 says:

    Don’t get how the habs can lay an egg on Saturday night on CBC Hockey Night In Canada national game against of all the leafs. If you can’t get up for that kind of a game your brain dead. If it was the first time then it could be said as a bad game. But opening night Bell Center 2-1 lose to the leafs then Saturday night again 6-0 blow out again to the leafs ok they win 5-2 one time and then this load of stuff again. It’s starting to look like the leafs are in the heads of the habs and that’s not a good thing. When they play on the 27th of April it better be a good performance and not squeaking out a win in a shootout or losing in a shootout. Cause if they have to play the leafs in the first round it will be curtains. This team still needs some size Prust can’t do all by himself. Wish they could have gotten Clowe. And that Kadri that little puke running guys and standing over Eller and eye balling him after the hit. And then running Gally, someone needs to run him just once through the end boards. But if they meet in the playoffs and the habs should prevail maybe just maybe it will put to rest the crap hab fans living in Ontario have had to endure since 1993 that if they leafs didn’t get ripped off by Fraser they would have beaten the habs.

  63. habsfan0 says:

    After tonight’s game, a question we all should be pondering is:
    Just how bad are the Buffalo Sabres?

  64. Sportfan says:

    Lol well hopefully Monday gets here faster so we can beat Philly remember the last time the Habs stomped on us we went on quite the tear.


  65. mysterycog says:

    Calm down its 1 game and yup price sucked but. Habs are 1st in the division 2nd in the conference and 3rd in the league 26-10-5 clinched a playoff spot Believe #gohabsgo

  66. H.Upmann says:

    In other good news, Gomez got an assist tonight but lost to the Stars… Is there anyway we can ship DD out west next year?

  67. Small_Town_Boy says:

    If Price stinks up the 1st round (and I hope not), you think MB will seriously rethink Carey as the Habs franchise goaltender?

  68. Sportfan says:

    About last night it was a craptacular game so bad I changed the channel to the Jays game and turned off the computer, I haven’t done that with a live blog in a while.


    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      I did the same (except the Jays game). My wife got pissed with me calling me a Bandwagoner. So she went to bed pissed @ me after I had a few choice words for her & her Leafs!

  69. Timo says:

    There has been quite a few of these “it was that kind of game” lately. Maybe it’s that kind of team.

    I wonder where would Habs end if this were a 82 game season? Probably fighting for the playoffs spot and probably not making it. This is like leafs last year, winning a lot before half way and then fading away when going gets tough.

    But hey, lets (again) see how tough Carey Price is, how great Habs are after a shitty game, how positive this positive that BS will work for them in the playoffs.

    I knew they would suck when I saw a headline on RDS after the Sabres game that stated: “Mission accompli”.

  70. doogie says:

    Must not have been a Toronto curfew last night. Perhaps next trip in they can get to bed early and stay away from the bars. Tonight was pathetic.

  71. habsfan0 says:

    101 years ago tonight, RMS Titanic hit an iceberg and sank on the early hours of the 15th.

    Habs hit an iceberg on the 13th,hopefully,they won’t sink against the Flyers on the 15th.

  72. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Going to be a LONG LONG day @ work Monday. I really hate Leaf fans, they are all the same. Every day till the playoff schedule is announced I will have to hear the Leaf fans tell me how the Leafs will destroy the Habs in the 1st round.

  73. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …in the background I am hearing HNIC reviewing the Habs Weeds game 🙁

    …best to sleep …got to take My Kids skiing in the morning …try to keep Your emotions stabilized Guyz …night 🙂

  74. Just one game!

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