About last night …

Oompa-Loompas with Willy Wonka in the 1971 film of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Thanks to the great GG11, of  the late and lamented Four Habs Fans website,  for her Willy Wonka-themed Photoshop of  Michel Therrien and the Canadiens diminutive forwards.

Your Montreal Canadiens played the woeful Buffalo Sabres twice in five days.
Both games were at the Bell Centre.
Over the course of 122 minutes and 16 seconds – Game 1 went into overtime – the Canadiens had 73 shots on goal. The Sabres blocked 54 shots, and the Canadiens missed the Buffalo net 39 times.
Out of 166 opportunities, the Canadiens scored three goals.
Three. Goals.
Against a team that has allowed more goals than every team in the league except Calgary, the Islanders and Florida.
We’ll rag on the refs and lament Team Oompa-Loompa’s lack of net presence in a minute, but let’s just linger over that stat.
At the risk of repeating myself: 166 pucks on Canadiens’ sticks and the red light went on three times.

On Saturday night, the Sabres had 18 shots on Carey Price. The Canadiens blocked nine and four missed the net. So Buffalo cashed twice on 31 opportunities.

Comparable numbers for the home team: 39 SoG, Sabres blocked 31 and the Canadiens missed the net 15 times. 85 opportunities, one goal.

In Toronto, the Leafs were outshot 33-13 and won 3-2.

Vancouver had 13 shots in L.A. and beat the Kings 1-0. 

So, not a great Saturday for snipers … except Thomas Vanek, who had both Buffalo goals to run his season’s total to 16.

Ryan Miller has won eight of his last 10 starts against the Canadiens. He made 38 saves and was full value for selection as the game’s First Star, but I thought Miller was beatable.

There were rebounds. There were pucks sliding across the crease.

There was rarely a red jersey anywhere near these second-chance scoring opportunities. The Canadiens played primarily on the perimeter – a lacuna illustrated by two sequences in which Lars Eller went for a leisurely skate around the massed Buffalo defenders, ultimately losing the puck on both occasions and driving the crowd into howls of frustration.

Hey, we know the Canadiens can skate. But as the postseason approaches, can they crash, bang and score in the dirty areas where fancy skaters often fear to tread?

When the only forward with consistent net presence is a 5’8″ rookie, the Canadiens have a problem that Jeff Halpern isn’t going to solve.

Look, I love Brendan Gallagher. And you can’t fault Brian Gionta, David Desharnais and Gabriel Dumont for effort.

But I’m more than a little concerned about what will happen when Team Oompa-Loompa goes on the road to Pittsburgh and Boston for a back-to-back this week.

Is help on the way? Nope. The cavalry is stuck in traffic.

Rene Bourque has had a setback in his post-concussion rehab.

Brandon Prust, who was supposed to be out 10 to 14 days, has not played since March 5. There is no hint from the Canadiens on when he might return.

Nor is Raphael Diaz anywhere near ready to return. His absence means brutal power-play minutes for Andrei Markov and P.K. Subban. Both excel with the man advantage – would that Canadiens forwards were as dangerous – but it would be nice to have a better point shooter than Josh Gorges as a PP weapon.

The Canadiens cashed one of their three power-play chances against Buffalo. Markov picked out Michael Ryder on the lip of Miller’s crease, and Ryder did what Ryder does.

The Canadiens probably should have had more PPs. The Sabres did a fair bit of clutching and grabbing, driving the Bell Centre crowd into loud choruses of catcalls.

And for the second time in as many games against the Sabres, the refs blew a call on P.K.

In the Tuesday night game, it was a phantom high stick that sent Subban to the box and opened the door for Steve Ott’s OT winner.

In the second period on Saturday, Mike Blunden was penalized for interference – a dubious call that maybe wouldn’t have gone against a veteran of greater stature than the Bulldogs call-up. Then P.K. was penalized for Delay of Game on a clearing attempt that struck something – either a Buffalo stick or the edge of the glass – on its way out.

With the Canadiens’ penalty-killers protesting loudly, Brad Watson skated straight to the penalty box area and made the call, without consulting ref Justin St. Pierre or the two linesmen.

Barely over half a minute into the 5-on-3, Vanek tipped Christian Ehrhoff’s point shot past Carey Price to open the scoring. It was only the ninth time in 31 games the Canadiens failed to score first.

I think the NHL has to introduce a coach’s challenge. You can do worse than emulate the National Football League. And the speed and intensity of NHL hockey are such that calls will be blown.

There should be a mechanism to correct officiating errors. Give each team one challenge per game. And if the call is upheld, you take a two-minute minor.

I also want to get rid of staged fighting. But let’s start small.

Oops!

There’s that word “small” again.

 

 

 

 

 

774 Comments

  1. Michael says:

    Unfortunately, that play would not have been eligible for challenge in the NFL either. Penalties are not subject to review.

    But that ain’t right, and the NFL isn’t perfect either. The ideal procedure would be for the refs to be free to consult video evidence any time they doubted their live observations. The NFL coach’s challenge is more about strategy than sportsmanship, as coaches are limited to a maximum of three challenges and penalized if incorrect. That’s a major flaw, as the purpose of video review is to get the calls right.

    And there is nothing wrong with getting the calls right! Video is a tool that should be used more in sports. They don’t even have to always use it in a retroactive way – I’m sure there’s a live role for video cameras, like catching offsides & icing and stuff.

  2. Davis says:

    This addition of the Habs is one of the best I’ve see in a long time (and I’ve been around almost 60 years). When Prust, Bourque and Diaz get back and rolling, they will do even better. The weak link is Price – they are winning in spite of him. Yes, he has lots of wins, but those wins aren’t his doing – the team in front of him is keeping the shots down, and low percentage (hence also the good save percentage). Price hasn’t WON any games for them, and the Habs have LOST some games running into better goalies. Price is overdue to start winning games for the team, and prove that he is the super-star goalie that other teams like us to think he is. Patrick Roy used to let in some soft goals, too, but had such a compete level that when the game was on the line, he was amazing, and they won two cups just because of him. Price is still too “manana”. But, I admit my bias – I was a Halak fan, and never did get over management choosing Price over Halak after he had been so dominate in the playoffs. I don’t think current management would have done that.

  3. SteverenO says:

    as promised : Coaching mistake number 3:

    Why is Tinordi playing?

    either
    a) he is an improvement of other options (kaberle, Weber, Patteryn, St-Denis.)
    i) offensively
    ii) defensively
    iii) both of the above
    b) the coach and organization want to see what he can
    c) he is there to get a chance to learn from experience about the NHL speed and style of hockey

    It doesn;t matter what teh reason if he does not get tpo play in the third period of a regular season game because the game is “close”.
    What happens if by injury he is needed to play in the playoffs? If he is benched in the third period of a regular season game, where his confidence level be in the playoffs?

    Its either every game and every point is crucial in which case you dress Kablerle strictly in case you fall behind in the third period . With Kaberle on the ice the team scores an even strength goal every 14 minutes. With Emelin , and Markov the team scores every 26 minutes.

    The team, of late, is playing as if they are under extreme pressure, the shooting has become wild, and the play has become “frantic” rather than controlled.

    I say let Kaberle play (if he “stinks up the joint bench him in the third period. There is no point in playing someone else if you decide ahead of time that this other guy will not play in the third period.

    The coach, needs to unclench his sphincter. (edit) grammar)
    Let the guys play. Its not a tragedy to lose a game now and then.
    This is the time of the season when hockey should be fun.
    Show confidence in the guys you decide to dress and see what they can do, in EVERY situation.

    The penalty kill is struggling? Try throwing Gallagher out there for a shift or two. Eller playing well, reward him with a shift or two on the powerplay. ( or with some top six wingers every now and then.)

    regards,

    Steve O.

  4. ed says:

    I never understood why progressives like Jack Todd can’t support the notion of condominiums. I work in the real estate industry and I know that the vast majority of the people buying these condos are hard working, 1st time buyers, who are simply trying to avoid paying rent for the rest of their lives. These people want a chance to own property, to increase their net worth.
    I would think that a progressive thinker like Todd would give condominiums a thumbs up as a way for middle class people to get out of the self-defeating pattern of paying a landord rent every month.
    I understand that architechure seems to be the prinicple argument against condos. But isn’t this over-shadowed by a greater good?

  5. Bill H says:

    I used to check a web site before games that had a summary of stats for the Canadiens and for their opponents for that night. It was called Tale of the Tape. But it doesn’t seem to be around any more.

    Does anyone know where I can find this sort of summary on line before each game?

  6. frontenac1 says:

    Did any of you see 24CH last night? The best one of the series. In the room after the 2nd period of the last Boston game,Listen to what Mike says to the guys about Prust taking on Lucic.Prust is The Heartbeat of the Habs.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Agreed.

      That MT pep talk is the kind of stuff I was hoping to see a lot more of in 24CH, which has otherwise been little more than a neutered/sanitized/dumbed down version of the HBO Winter Classic series… (not that I’m complaining!)

      Also enjoyed the candid drive from the airport with the freshly-traded Ryder.

  7. frontenac1 says:

    We’ve got a great roster with depth amigos! All we need is a beast enforcer to play limited minutes to ride shotgun for our skilled lads.They are out there just waiting for a call.And they aren’t that expensive. Saludos!

  8. SteverenO says:

    Coaching decisions to blame for yesterdays loss.

    reason number 2:

    Ice time distribution in the period when trialing in the game.

    Josh Gorges is a good defencemen, defensively, He is NOT a very good offensive defencemen. I would say of the 6 defencemen dressed yesterday he was arguably the 6th “best ” offensively. Maybe 5th if you put him ahead of Tinordi.

    Is there any reason that Gorges play 7 minutes and 39 seconds in the third period when we need goals to catch up?

    Markov and Subban played 10 minutes each (rarely together) Gorges played 7 minutes and 39 seconds, Bouillion and Emelin approximately 5 minutes each and Tinordi 1minute and 27 seconds.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • ed says:

      Therrien cut the bench and went down to 5 d-men.

      He played Subban WITH Markov as a pairing to generate the offence.

      Gorges was on the ice as part of the 2nd pairing to give Markov and Subban a breather.

      The extra few shifts in the 3rd period that Gorges played more than Bouillon or Emelin is insignificant.

      Is there much of a difference offensively between Gorges, Bouillon and Emelin??

      Those 3 were simply filling time in between shifts for Subban and Markov – playing together 5 on 5.

      I disagree that this is a coaching mistake.

      • SteverenO says:

        The mistake (number 2) was not reducing to a three man rotation of Markov, Subban and Bouillion, with Georges and Emelin getting a short shift occasionally to give the others a breather. In essence what he did was “double shift ” Gorges by playing him with both Emelin and Boullion.

        regards,

        Steve O.

  9. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    For Pitt to pull the trigger this early, the price for Iginla must have been way too high for them.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  10. SteverenO says:

    Three reasons we lost last night that can be attributed to coaching decisions.

    Heres number one, ( 2 and 3 to follow)

    Gallagher stiill on the Powerplay. The team has scored a total of 3 goals in 59.5 minutes while Gallagher has been on the ice. That averages one goal every 20 minutes. At even strength the team has scored 23 goals in just over 300 minutes. that’s an average of one goal every 13 minutes, the best on the team. I have all the respect in the world for what Gallagher contributes to the offence at even strength. Its time to try something (someone) else on the powerplay.

    yesterdays loss can be blamed on poor coaching decisions:

    Here is the breakdown of our forwards and their PP effectiveness expressed in average minutes on ice per PP goal scored season to date/ PP TOI last night /percentage of PP time played last night

    Plekanec : 5.3 / 1 min 32 / 35%
    Ryder: 5.4 / 1 min 32 / 35 %
    Gionta: 5.7 / 1 min 32 / 35%

    Desharnais: 9 / 2 min 49 / 65%
    Pacioretty: 10 / 2 min 49 / 65%
    Gallagher : 20 / 2 min 49 / 65%

    Eller: 6.5 / 0 min 0 / 0%
    Galchenyuk; 10 / 0 min 0 / 0%

    Also note that both Desharnais and Pacioretty had better numbers on the PP BEFORE Gallagher was added to their line. When we finally scored a PP goal in tehthird period it was 1 minute and 25 seconds into the powerplay. The Desharnais line had been on thje first minute and 10 seconds, ten seconds after Plekanec’s line gets on the ice we scored the PP goal.

    It is illogical that the coach would purposefully play teh “weaker” PP unit more than the stronger , and even more illogical that he not recognize when a player is having an adverse effect on the PP.

    I would like someone to try and explain why Eller and Gallenchyuk do not deserve to even get a chance on the power play unit despite the fact that Gallagher has been totally ineffective in that role.

    regards,

    Steve O.

  11. mrhabby says:

    Funny how things workout..boucher the wunderguy who many wished stayed within the organization is now looking for work…

  12. habstrinifan says:

    Would you take B.J Crombeen from Tampa Bay for Weber and someone from Hamilton or a pick.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      No…one of the worst goons I have ever seen…not a good fighter at all. Must be other better guys…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Don’t think we need to make this trade this year, and Crombeen will be available this summer if we want him for the future.

  13. habstrinifan says:

    Signed on and seeing alot of Iginla/Boston posts. I know some weeks ago TSN was speculating this as a trade. Is there ‘breaking news?’. I dont want Iginla in Boston. That would be sacrilegious.

    MB if there is any chance of you thwarting any Boston deal by getting Iginla..do it…please.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Thanks to Pit it would take a minimum of a top 1st round prospect to get Iginla (and probably another 1st round draft pick). Like I said earlier, if I was Calgary and Boston called I would ask for Malcom Subban first.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Trini, if you’re not scrolling down, there was a good post (Hobie?) that possibly sums up much feeling here, to the effect of, I like Iginla a lot and don’t want to have to start hating him.

      Alternatively, someone else made the counterintuitive assertion, I hope they get Iginla and it costs them M Subban…

      And the Pens got Brendan Morrow.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Agree with you both I see Iginla doesn’t have HABS on his list, but I think if MB makes a real push, Iginla will come and enjoy it here and be GOOD for us. But DDO is right… may be too high a cost, but we gotta try.

        • Mike D says:

          I think the cost would be FAR too high and it would be a mistake for the Habs to get him. Not because of Iginla, but because of where we are as a team/organization at the moment.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

      • Mike D says:

        I don’t actually hope Boston gets Iginla (if you were referring to me). But IF they get him, then I hope it costs them M. Subban +.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Sorry Mike, knew it wasn’t you, but have checked and it was db.

          I don’t know if he was saying Iginla’s overrated at this stage and wouldn’t make Boston a tougher match-up for us in the playoffs, or simply relishing them losing MSubban. Or maybe both.

  14. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Canadiens success in the playoffs will be determined by Price and not some high priced rental. Price plays well with a better PK and the Habs can compete with anyone.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Ring of Fire says:

      Yes it will because if they r fortunate to go deep he’ll definatly b under siege by B’s or Pens

      I would agree,he’s playing like the Shuttsian of old

    • Cape Breton says:

      Clowe is not a high-priced rental. We need help in front of the other team’s net where a lot of CH don’t want to go. Clowe is a heart and soul player. Go get him Marc!

      By the way, Price presently sucks.

      • HabFab says:

        San Jose apparently wants a 1st and a player… that is high priced.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        No way I would consider giving more than a third rounder for him…

        BTW if Price, who is tied for wins, presently sucks…what about a forward with ZERO goals? What is less than sucks?

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Cape Breton says:

          Price sucks pal, and if he were as good as he was last year we would have 5 more wins. But if SJ wants a 1st rounder for Clowe like someone said above , I say forget about it.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            “Sucks” is too negative for me…that’s all.

            “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

          • L Elle says:

            You crack me up, and not in a good way. He’s 16-5-4. Assuming, you’re not counting the “loser” point, winning 5 more games would make him 21-0-4, and near perfection. So, anything less than that = sucks? LOL

  15. Cape Breton says:

    We’re too soft up front and need a player like Ryan Clowe. Go get him Marc!
    By the way, Clowe is a Newfie whose hometown is just a few miles up the road from Mike Ryder’s birthplace in Bonavista.

    • Ring of Fire says:

      Y can’t we never get a Vanek or Pomminville type player..always offensive threat….cmon Halpern r they serious

      I would agree,he’s playing like the Shuttsian of old

      • Clay says:

        Jesus man – Halpern cost us nothing, and was picked up for depth in case of injuries. And is a a responsible player who can win faceoffs. There is no downside to this move.

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    • Max says:

      Yeah,only about 350km away.Just up the road for sure!

  16. Habs Proud says:

    Guy Boucher fired in Tampa Bay

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      Easy to blame the coach when you have a losing record with possibly the best goal scorer in the league on the team. However Yzerman has done little to help the team in the back end and their goalie situation is laughable.

  17. Ring of Fire says:

    I would agree,he’s playing like the Shuttsian of old

    • Ring of Fire says:

      Pleks is good player so is Gionta but these guys nearly ever crash net like Gallagher….especially Pleks took some ridiculous perimeter shots last night…this will not b good come playoff time….hope thay finish fourth so they don’t play Buffalo in first round which would lead to first round lost

  18. habs001 says:

    Right now the young Hab forwards are not in their prime and may not be for a few years…The older forwards are not elite players that jump out at you…This lineup is not a cup winning team right now…

    • Bash says:

      That’s precisely the logic which dictates we do not make any rash moves.

      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  19. Smiths Falls Habs Fan says:

    MTL HAS to do something to get stronger. The little guys are getting tired, you could see it on their faces against Buffalo. I really hope they can get a decent player at the deadline.

  20. j2w4habs25 says:

    Iggy to Boston or Pitt. Hes better off in the west with CHI or LA

    Carey Price #31

  21. frontenac1 says:

    @BJ. Limited duty when required.Nothing more Nothing Less.I think he would satisfy.

  22. Habilis says:

    Per Pierre Lebrun:

    “Pitt gets B. Morrow and a 3rd-round pick 2013 in exchange Dallas gets prospects Joe Morrow and a 5th-round pick 2013.”

    Huh? I gather that it’s not Dallas’ pick, since we already own that. Either way though, why are the Pens getting the higher pick??

  23. kirbhabs says:

    If Pits adds Iggy, they have to be a favorite.

    Especially if they get a shut down D man too.

    Crazy good team.

  24. habs_54321 says:

    im very concerned about bourque’s concussion setback some are saying he will miss the rest of the season, after starting the season with 3 power fwd’s in cole,patch,bourque we would now just have patches and patches plays more like a sniper than a power forward he doesn’t hit much anymore and doesn’t drive the net like he used to still a very useful player but i feel we will be missing that driving the net presence we once had with bourque and cole

    • kirbhabs says:

      I am with ya

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      When Cole went to Dallas I wasn’t that concerned because he seemed off and unhappy and possibly slowing down. And Cole Vs Ryder isn’t a huge differential in skill and size.

      But now that Bourque is possibly out long term, you look up front and we’re not anything close to physically intimidating.

    • Danno says:

      I am hoping the club is just being extra careful and am cautiously optimistic Bourque will be back at least in time at least for the playoffs, maybe sooner.

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    • Cape Breton says:

      We’re doing just fine without both. Bourque is not very good anyway. Hot and cold, mostly cold. Not a fan of his.

      • habsfan4ever says:

        I’m with you C P. I don’t see the fuss about Bourque. He has flashes of competence. Overall a wast of cap space.

        Les Canadiens sont la!

    • habs_54321 says:

      im thinking MB will go off the board and try to pick up someone like umberger, dont need a star in iginla’s calibre just someone who can fill the role

    • Phil C says:

      I am concerned about Bourque for two reasons: if he is not better in a few months, you have to wonder if he will ever be better with that kind of injury? Tough for a player.

      Secondly, when Bourque first went down, Eller stepped up and everything chugged along nicely. Now with Prust out as well, I think the team suffered because they are not the same three-line threat to score that has made them so tough to beat. I really think getting Bourque back is one of the keys to competing with the elite teams.

  25. frontenac1 says:

    @BJ. Met Kip. A few years ago when he was helping in the local off season hockey camps with the kids. He is a good Lad. Tough as nails.

  26. Cape Breton says:

    Clowe in San Jose is supposedly available. Go get him Marc. He’d look darn good in bleu, blanc et rouge.

  27. habzfan2003 says:

    Morrow officially a Pen now

  28. Hobie Hansen says:

    Funny, Morrow for Morrow. Anyway, the former Pittsburgh Morrow, Joe, was their 1st Rd pick, 23rd overall in 2011. He’s a defenseman.

    That would be the equivalent of the Habs trading Tinordi or Beaulieu fror Brendan Morrow.

    Maybe Pittsburgh is in position to do that but I don’t think I’d feel that great if Montreal were to have pulled that off.

  29. Mike D says:

    Call it a different approach, but I’m against giving up picks/prospects to add high-impact rentals just for a cup run. Winning the cup and then going back to being a “good team” while sacrificing your future in the process just doesn’t sound like a great plan to me.

    I’d rather build a perennial contender comprised mostly of our own in-house talent and maybe a few guys brought in on actual hockey trades.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • punkster says:

      Yup…though the right rental, if he fits this team’s new concept and direction, and doesn’t cost much…well then.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • Bash says:

      BS! If you can win the cup you have to go for it when the opportunity presents itself… there is only today when it comes to a chance to bring home the grail.

      The decision is about believing we have a good shot and that a tweak improves our odds enough to make it a great shot.

      If so you go for it!

      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

      • Mike D says:

        A tweak I’d be okay with. A bottow 3/6 forward or a bottom pairing/depth Dman. Even a back-up goalie. I’m more talking about the high impact rentals that cost a lot of futures – that’s what I’m against.

        Besides, I didn’t say my approach was right….just that it’s my opinion.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

      • punkster says:

        Read his last sentence again….then back off on your BS.

        You have a difference of opinion Bash, that’s all. You want it all now regardless of any future consequences…he wants it all over and over.

        Think dynasty…not an easy thing to do in the days of Cap, UFAs, high salaries for middling talent. Think Detroit…not Tampa Bay.

        ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

        • Mike D says:

          Couldn’t have said it better myself. Dynasty is exactly what I had in mind.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • punkster says:

            Difficult but not impossible. Build with patience, smart picks, strong development, and the occasional reaching out to the market. We’ve had nothing but heartache with the quick fix mode.

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I couldn’t say it better myself, either.
            But I do think I SAID it (“Think Detroit, not Tampa Bay”) last week!
            Punkster, if you start spewing really lame jokes, I am SO on to you!

          • punkster says:

            I’m so Irish…can you tell?

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            How would I know? Sackville-born!

          • Mike D says:

            VERY difficult for all the reasons you mentioned. Ideally you need your in-house talent to really buy into a team concept where by everybody takes a little less salary for the good of keeping a stronger group together under the cap.

            I think the days of winning numerous cups consecutively are done, but being a dominant team and a real contender every year is doable. Tough, but doable.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            UNLESS.
            We go back to six teams.

  30. BJ says:

    If Clowe would agree to extend with the Habs, would it be worth sending Gorges back to San Jose + a second rounder and the Sharks include Murray in the trade?

    • commandant says:

      A guy who will be a UFA in July, with 0 goals this season, and rumors that the reason he isn’t scoring is that he is playing with a bum shoulder. I’d rather not go after Clowe.

      The idea that a player like Clowe would be great for this team is a sound one, and I agree wholeheartedly.

      But that big fat 0 in the goal column and the potential injury are telling me that we should stay away until we know he’s 100% and actually able to contribute in a top 6 role.

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      • BJ says:

        With 0 goals value is down and if he is not injured then? Could be a deal. He might start scoring in a new environment. Its hard to say but depending on the price….

    • Mike D says:

      Absolutely not IMO.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Timo says:

      I am afraid that Clowe can turn into another Moen. Is he a UFA? Are we making a run at the cup this year (definitely not). I’d replace Gorges with Murray though. He looks like a mean tough hombre.

  31. HabFab says:

    Not to put a downer on the HIO GM’s but hasn’t MB say he is not interested in rentals.

  32. adamkennelly says:

    If Boston gets Iginla – what does MB do? stay put – or try to make moves to compete. I am of the opinion that Habs would be in tough vs. the Bruins without Iginla….if they land him – tough sledding ahead for the Habs.

    • commandant says:

      I’m of the opinion that this team is being built to be a long term contender, not a one year wonder.

      This was a 28th place club last year, and this team is slowly being rebuilt by stocking up on draft picks and prospects. Going and blowing that all now for a rental doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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    • Steven says:

      Frankly, the way I see it, the Bruins getting Iginla means they’re sending some key pieces the other way.

      It’s likely they won’t get better but worse going for Iginla.

    • mrhabby says:

      If MB stays to his roots he continues to build through the draft but I think he does something given bruins/pens are gearing up.

  33. Habilis says:

    Done. Morrow to Pens.

    I fear this means Boston will throw the proverbial kitchen sink at Calgary for Iginla.

    Don’t do it Iggy. Go to California, enjoy the weather.

    • BJ says:

      If you’re Calgary why not trade with the Kings for Bernier. Kiper is getting old.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        With how shaky Quick has been, has it been confirmed that LA is even willing to move Bernier?

        • BJ says:

          After the contract Quick got I don’t think Bernier would want to be a number two for the length of Quick’s contract.

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            No, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him traded in the offseason. But he has no say on when he gets traded, and I’d think they hold onto him just in case for the playoffs.

          • Mike D says:

            @ JM
            Unless Calgary sent both Kipper and Iginla to L.A. for Bernier and a lot of other stuff. Calgary gets a good young starting goalie plus whatever else is in the package. L.A. gets Iggy and a quality vet goalie to back up Quick in case his relatively poor play continues.

            Not sure L.A. could add that much salary though.

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          • jmsheehy19 says:

            That’s true, but I imagine Cal could get more by trading the two independently; therefore, LA would likely have to pay more than they’re willing for a great rental, but one for which they don’t have a desperate need.

            Still think he ends up in Boston, hopefully for Subban

          • Mike D says:

            Good points JM. If Iggy does in fact go to Boston, I would hope it’s Malcolm that goes the other way….among other pieces. It’s a good match too since Boston already has a young, quality starter in Rask, and Calgary desperately needs one which Malcolm would conceivably give them.

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    • db says:

      I hope Iginla goes to the Bruins and I hope it costs them Malcolm Subban.

  34. Does the picture look like Brendan Gallagher on the right & Brian Gionta on the left?

  35. govenah says:

    Just putting it out there. Gionta to St Louis for ??
    They need a little more speed and fire power. We need more tough bastards.

  36. frontenac1 says:

    Morrow,Iggy? Give me a break. Washed up power forwards. Habs need a Beast Enforcer.The rest of our lineup is fine.Saludos!

  37. Bill says:

    Hockey is played by players, not stats. Morrow will be an awesome addition for whoever gets him!

  38. Phil C says:

    We know the Habs have small forwards, but how much smaller than the competition? I quickly calculated the average size of the forwards for the 3 top teams (Pittsburgh, Montreal, Boston) and the 3 bottom teams (Florida, Tampa, Philadelphia) in the Eastern conference (from NHL.com). Give a guess matching teams to numbers.

    72.7″ 193.3lbs
    72.0″ 195.7lbs
    72.5″ 197.7lbs
    72.7″ 199.4lbs
    72.5″ 200.2lbs
    73.3″ 201.2lbs

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Nice job, and how interesting.
      Does it therefore render it inaccurate to say that what was missing last night — specifically on those loose pucks and rebounds — was simply presence in front of any kind, with or without “size”? If so, would that make it almost purely a coaching issue?

      • Phil C says:

        I think you are right, part of the problem was a lack of net presence, period ( not because they were too small).

        The Habs’ game plan was working at first as they were badly outplaying and outchancing them. However, Buffalo scored two opportunistic goals, then collapsed into a defensive shell, like Martin used to do with the Habs. We should all be familiar with this strategy :( .

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I dunno, for some reason when we line Gallagher, Desharnais and Pacioretty up against Horton, Lucic and Krejci they seem smaller?

      maybe it’s just me? ;-)

    • Phil C says:

      72.7″ 193.3lbs Flyers Forwards
      72.0″ 195.7lbs Montreal Forwards
      72.5″ 197.7lbs Boston Forwards
      72.7″ 199.4lbs Pittsburgh Forwards
      72.5″ 200.2lbs Tampa Forwards
      73.3″ 201.2lbs Florida Forwards

      So Boston’s forwards are a half inch and two pounds bigger than the Habs on average. The big bad Bruins are not as big as some think, although with Chara on the ice for 30 minutes a game, they probably play bigger/bolder than they really are.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        How safe are the stats, Phil?

        • Phil C says:

          Not super safe, there could be errors, although I ran the Montreal and Boston numbers twice. I cut and pasted the heights and weights from NHL.com, then averaged it using an electronic spreadsheet. Has not been independently verified. Use at your own risk!

          As well, the numbers on NHL.com are not super reliable as they are always inflated, but I figure all teams do it, so it should cancel each other out.

          The Habs have some big boys as well, Eller, Pacioretty, Moen, Bourque, and Blunden are all 208-219 lbs.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            And you know what, Chara just skews everything. Not just in size but in value to his team.

            Someone griped here earlier that without Chara’s “illness” (post the Pacioretty hit), that series would never have gone to 7 games. I wouldn’t go that far, but it definitely was a factor, further evidenced in our recent win when he earned 3 hours in the box for attacking Emelin.

            I would love everybody with any size at all to him repeatedly, just to wear him down a bit.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Actually, never mind. Exaggeration is probably fairly universal, therefore the one tide raising all boats.

      • Danno says:

        It’s one thing to be big. It’s quite another to play big. Ask Travis or Max. Little Gallagher should be shaming our bigger fellows into using their bodies like he does. Fearlessly. Game in and game out.

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        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Which I think is Boone’s main point.
          I could care less seeing loose pucks amble innocently across the crease against Buffalo. But if it happens in the playoffs when goals are much harder come by, loud impolite shouting happens in an Irish village.

  39. The Jackal says:

    What is good about Morrow? His stats are not that great, he is not “big,” so what gives?
    Leadership, other intangibles? At 34, there are other top 6 forwards I’d take over him!

    As for Iginla. I really hope that the Buffoons don’t get him. If they get him, I hope they give up A LOT, and that they still go out in the first round.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Agreed that Morrow is past his prime and declining. But in the past, even though he’s only around 6′, he mucks and grinds and was a full-blown power forward.

    • Phil C says:

      Morrow is the kind of player who will go through a wall to win. I thought he played great for Canada at the Olympics in 2010, scoring some dirty goals. He not exactly a sniper, but he has scored 30 in the past, but his production is in steep decline the last two years.

      I haven’t seen him play much lately, but I would still take him, so I think it’s a good move for Pittsburgh. Those are the types of guys you need to win a Cup.

  40. Habilis says:

    Now they’re saying that Morrow gets to choose between Pens or Bruins. Apparently they both have offers in for him.

  41. HabFab says:

    Dreger also reporting that Iginla has given a list of 4 teams he will accept a trade to. We aren’t one of them;
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419005

  42. Rad says:

    Darren Dreger tweeting about a possible Brendan Morrow to Pittsburgh deal. Not confirmed yet.

    • Habilis says:

      Yeah it’s all over twitter atm. Apprently Morrow is the holdup here, he has a no trade clause. If it does go down, I expect Boston to go all out for Iginla.

      As for us… Clowe?

      Methinks that the price will be mighty steep.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        If Boston gets Iginla, that’s just ridiculous. Might has well start wrapping the cup up and ship it back to Boston, IMO.

        • Habilis says:

          Yeah it’s just about the worst thing that could happen to the Habs this season. Iginla will instantly make the B’s better up front.

          They’d have to give up a first rounder plus plus, but with the Pens making this addition, I just think that Chiarelli will do whatever it takes to land him.

          I’m usually wrong about trade stuff, so I’m hoping that trend holds here. I like Iginla alot. I don’t want to have to start hating him. ;)

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          I think you overestimate (or maybe I undersestimate) both Iginla’s ability to play for a defensively responsible team and the amount of talent he has retained as the years have gone by. I wouldn’t trade anything good to have him on my team.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I think Iginla still has a few 30 goal seasons left in him and lots of physical play and tremendous leadership. I’ll have to disagree with you there Sean.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Have you been watching him this season, Hobie? I haven’t – what’s he like.

            He would be jumping from a dross team to a legit contender — I’d be very surprised if that didn’t reawaken the beast within.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Is it worth it? I’m not really worried about the team that adds Iginla, and the Penguins might be too good to beat even without adding Morrow. Maybe we should just take our chances this year and spend the next 6 or 8 years beating a Bruins franchise weakened, in the long term, by a trade for a guy like Jerome Iginla.

    • Sportfan says:

      Damn would have liked to have Morrow on our team. Dallas and Pitts have a good relationship going on Neal and now Morrow haha. Also its Morrow for Morrow

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      • Rad says:

        At this stage in their respective careers, I would rather have Joe Morrow, a big, strong defenseman, who will play in the NHL for a long time IMO. He’s looked very good at the Pittsburgh training camp the last 2 years. Brendan has been injured a lot, and at 34, is on the slippery downside of his career. I don’t know how much he’s got left, beyond the short-term.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I wouldn’t want to give up a heck of a lot for Brendan Morrow either, he’s slowing down rapidly IMO. Iginla on the other hand is quite capable of pulling an Alfredson.


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